Ep175: True or False? ChatGPT and The Book of Mormon
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- On this episode of Mormonish, Rebecca and Landon are joined by favorite returning guest, Dr. John Lundwall as we ask ChatGPT two questions. First, give us 50 reasons the Book of Mormon is false. And second, give us 50 reasons The Book of Mormon is true.
ChatGPT does not disappoint and the three of us delve into the answers one by one to gain a clearer understanding of the big picture of Book of Mormon historicity out there in the vast expanse of the internet.
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John Lundval is hands down the best critic I’ve ever had the pleasure to listen to. His laugh, sarcasm, and humor top all
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@@greg-op2jh DEATHBLOW!
Thank you for saying the hard things .
More people need to speak up and stop this insanity and absurdity .
I love listening to this... You guys do a great job at clearing up the nuanced crappy middle ground where cowards hide in
Hahahahahaha. I absolutely LOVE a buzzed John Lundwall!!!! This is one of the best episodes of all time!
So glad you enjoyed the episode as much as we enjoyed making it!
Agreeee!!!! It was so powerful & also intelligent!!! Wowwwie!
I was just listening to the other episodes over the weekend while i was sick and it got me through an awful time with the flu! Absolutely awesome! ❤ Sending everyone who is struggling with anything so much love.
I loved the for and against. It was a valuable way to share about the lack of true claims info. I felt Rebecca was trying so hard to keep it light but John kept being so annoyed. Rightfully so.
Once a person can see the lack of truth in the BOM elements it is difficult to unsee it. Wanting our loved ones to understand us is normal and painful. So many insights. Thank you. Rebecca it was funny and and I have accepted the truth about it am so it was enjoyable. I weeded my yard and listened.
When current leaders say we don't know where the BofM events took place, they are ignoring that earlier prophets , most notably Joseph Smith himself, "knew" exactly where these events took took place and taught it. Why do we not just take his word for it? Because those places are archaeologically clean.
Regarding Chat's reminder that believers may be offended, if you are going to do an episode that discusses the lengths people will go to not to offend believers, I recommend listening to Salman Rushdie's conversation with Walter Isaacson on Amanpour and Company, if you can get to it.
Rushdie was describing the cultural differences in how Americans will much more curb their freedom of speech than the British will do in order to not offend. He wishes Americans would get over that squeamishness. Walter said he would be anguished to ridicule someone's beliefs and asked Salman if the fatwah influenced his thinking on how open one should be. Salman said, well, hell, yes. I'm paraphrasing all of this, obviously, but it was such a thoughtful segment, I wish I could give you a better sense of it. It did make me re-evaluate how comfortable I would be to challenge someone.
For example, by not confronting someone about damaging cult beliefs, I think politeness becomes complicity. And certainly the cult members is missing out on an opportunity for a reality check, and they don't get many opportunities for critical thinking. Being politely silent winds up hurting all parties, I now think.
100% And I am one of them, a NeverMo in Moridor afraid to upset or harm relationships with TBM neighbors I genuinely like. So few of us have been taught or learned how to effectively challenge false beliefs & are at a disadvantage due to longstanding deference to religions despite them being some of the least factual & reliable sources of information. I hear "backfire effect" so often from pschology experts that I fear to say anything esp on heated topics. We need a safe place to practice!
Oh, AI' s Ass!!!😮😮.
Love that, Rebecca. May I use that on a regular basis?
Rebecca is there ONE thing you could talk to your mom about. Just how tithing evolved and don’t ask her to stop paying her tithing. Or maybe about the Book of Abraham. I feel sad that I hear your desire to share this huge part of your life and how hard it is for you. You do an excellent podcast and it would be so validating for you to know you🙏To have been able to be there at your son’s wedding… my heart hurts for you. I see you and hear you. I am a mother and I would feel you are amazing Becca❤️❤️❤️
I first discovered Rebecca on Mormon stories podcast, and she has become one of my favorite commentators. She and Landon are a great team, and this episode was amazing! I loved that John Lundwall went off on a tirade! We need more public admissions of the total BS that is currently called Mormonism! Thanks!
I love your honesty
I wish more people would call it out .
The truth matters 😊
10/10 would listen to drunk Dr. Lundval again.
We love Dr. John, especially when he is beveraging! 🤣🍸🍺🍹🍷
Maybe John Lundval could produce his Ancient American Context chart and make available for purchase ?????
Outstanding and entertaining summary of the falsehoods of the Book of Mormon! Thank you so much for sharing your hard work and critical thought findings. How I was bamboozled by this book for 55 years is beyond my understanding, but somehow I was able to wake up. 😊
22:30 #9. Liked the comments about the abs.... We can't have flabby Lamanites becuase chat GPT knows that most people were not fat before the early 1800's. It wasn't until Sylvester Graham in 1829 Developed the Graham cracker to help combat the problems he saw.. In order to combat these s3xual urges, Graham advocated "a number of lifestyle changes, including eliminating meat, fats, spices, condiments, coffee, tea, and alcoholic beverages from one’s diet, abstaining from using tobacco, exercising regularly, wearing loose-fitting comfortable clothing, and sleeping on hard mattresses with the windows open, even in cold weather. " He was the father of the Vegetarian movement. This was in 1829. Sounds familiar... Maybe in 1833, JS copied this and made this a section in the D&C as the Word of Wisdom. So why was this information already here on earth if the word of wisdom was a revelation? JS knew about this, copied it, and decided to use it ... If you want abs today, A) whole foods plant based low fat (no highly processed anything) or B) Carnivore w/no highly processed food). Word of Wisdom kind of goes against when Lehi and his family were wandering in the wilderness for 8 years and eating raw meat diet 1 Nephi 17:2. Sounds like they were doing really good and I'm sure they had Abs.... Word of Wisdom contradicts this...
Maybe Sylvester Graham was an LDS prophet, just like Adam Clarke whose commentary Joseph used to correct the bible, or like Jonathan Edwards from whom he plagiarized "the natural man is an enemy to God" and countless other phrases.
The evidence against the BoM didn't touch the suspicious nature of the Witnesses of the plates. Probably because GPT is smart enough to also notice THE PLATES WERE NOT USED IN ANY TRANSLATION. The witnesses are irrelevant if they were covered/not even in the room JoS was dictating the BoM in! lol
How did Joseph Smith carry home the golden plates of the Book of Mormon, and how did the witnesses lift them so easily? (They weighed about 230 lbs. Gold, with a density of 19.3 weighs 1204.7 lbs. per cubic foot. The plates were 7" x 8" by about 6". See Articles of Faith, by Talmage, page 262, 34th ed.)
(7/12” x 8/12” x 6/12”) = 336 / 1728 =
0.19444 cu foot
1204.7 lbs * 0.19444 = 234.2 lbs
How do you even pick up 234 lbs that is condensed into a square 7”x8”x6”? That is nearly equivalent to a CrossFit 250 lb Atlas stone which is very difficult to pick up and it is round making it easier to grab onto.
But those gold plates would have been smaller about a 1/5 Or smaller than the size of a 250 lb atlas stone. How difficult would it have been to pick them up and carry them?
Wow, what a powerful episode. The end half explained some things in ways I’d never heard before and was really powerful!! Such intelligence! Thank you so much for sharing this episode, and your channel as well! I seriously appreciate your coverage.
Amazing podcast, thank you all for your work. To see a big list of the pros and cons juxtaposed together was really amazing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
JS behavior, his leadership and his writings become "the lie that outlasts the liar."
LOL. LANDONS DAD JOKES ARE THE BEST!!!!
Agree ❤😂
This was a fun episode. I'm guessing that more than two were watching until the end.
Really well done. Entertaining and informative.
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Great rapid fire overview!
Thank you team, another fantastic episode! ❤❤❤
Dr. I'm John: Would you please [for the umpty-teenth time] suffer through Cwic's newest apologetic burlesque trying to sell the Egyptian temples in Karnak, et al to support momo temple roots &
rites as being the "history" of "the original GOSPEL", whether momo or pogo.
Thank you all three. 🌹 🌹 🌹
Send me a link to the video.
Thanks!!
YEAHHHHHH BABBBBYYYY
The BOM does not mention coinage (only in the chapter in the heading), rather a system of weights & measures. Coins evolved from standard chunks of precious metals for trade, and didn't really begin until about 7th C BC Greece. It's theoretically possible coins were known in Lehi's time, but not likely to have been used in Israel at this time.
Interesting. Alma 11 is pretty clear that it's talking about a monetary system.
@@terrillmel Actually, it is a commodity/barter exchange. Everything is broken down to its equivalent to a measure of grain.
@@jerrygrover8992 you'll have to provide verses. Because my entire life reading it, it seemed like coinage of different sizes. I guess if the coins have material value as well, you could call it a barter system. ie I'll give you this gold coin, that has value even if you melt it down, for that tool or pottery. Also they were metal. Did they have metal?
@@terrillmel Alma 11:4-19. If you want to see the ratios of the commodities shown in table form, you can check out page 79 of the book Translation of the Caractors Document. UA-cam doesn't allow links but if you just do a search on the name of the book and bmslr. The book is free to download.
@@jerrygrover8992 Well, I read it. And I can see how this would pass as a bartering system. But the lines are getting blurry. How much does a bag of wheat or barley go for today? I'd say about a Lincoln. Back then it was a Senine.
It's an interesting book/story for sure. I'll give it that. And I respect your view. I call it faith. And I see the value in it. I still use the bible today and see it as a mix of History, faith stories, allegories, beautiful teachings as well as dangerous ones. But I choose how I parse it and what I'll accept.
Similarly, I still enjoy parts of the Book of Mormon. I hoped my less literal belief would work in the church, but it just didn't work. Members have near certainty that they are the only correct church on earth and that refrain sounds every week. It's such a huge part of the worship and I hated it. Maybe one day it will change, but until then, I'll give up the certainty and structure for discovery and curiosity and practice faith in my little Presbyterian church.
Ooh I can't wait for this!!
I loved it!
BOM is mythology mingled with scripture.
Fun episode! Thanks.
You are welcome! Thanks for watching!
Excellent!!!!!!!!!
AI - contributing to the body of knowledge since never.
Jerry Grover is a geologist.
FYI, I am a licensed Professional Geologist, and a licensed Professional Structural Civil Engineer. As far as being a linguist, I worked as a freelance translator in multiple languages for many years and went to language school in China and am fluent in Italian as well. Translators are not linguists or vice versa in the sense of an academic linguist, but one definition of linguist is fluency in other languages. Anyway, just made this comment for clarity. Ciao sis
Take a long look at the Mississippi Mound Builders and the Cherokee Jews.
We have. This is all Mormon apologetics attempting to find a connection. No reputable non LDS scholars accept any of that craziness.
I enjoy most of this one! Hope next time , no drinking!