@@barrelrolltoday6051 develop a short game. If your second or third shot gets you on the green then you’re in good shape. Putt Putt for Golf helped me out growing up. If you have a really good short game then you’ll do good. Watch Saguto Golf. His short videos will help you. He’s straight to the point and no BS
Jack Nicklaus’s instruction. Aim your body where you want the ball to start, the club face where you want the ball to finish. Your swing should be identicle on every shot no changes=higher consistency
That’s a method but actually requires manipulation to actually hit the ball on target without missing left or right. There was some confusion of the laws of ball flight back in the day but now with launch monitors we know exactly what the cause and effects are aka “the new laws of ball flight”. (Assuming righty) Say you were hitting a draw, if your face was actually aimed at the target at impact with an in to out path, the ball would start at the target and hook left and just the opposite for a fade. The ball is going to essentially start where the club face is aimed at impact and the swing path in relation to the face causes the shape. So to actually hit a draw at the target, the club face needs to be aimed right at impact and the swing path even further right. (Assuming your normal swing goes straight) Really you’d want to set up with your club face aimed where you want the ball to start and your body set up double whatever amount the face is aimed left or right in order to just swing normal and shape the ball to the target.
@@TheWedgeWizard correct. And Tiger goes through this pretty effectively in his instruction on draw or fade shots. Close down the face, swing towards your left foot for a fade. For a draw, open the face, stay back and accentuate the follow thru right to left. Same thing if you want to spin wedges. There’s also something in there her says about his hand placement and hip action; more hands on fades, less on draws, think about back right pocket on draws, more hip turn on fades. Anecdotally, this has helped my shot shaping a ton.
@@brutusbuck45club face angle dictates ball flight direction. If you swing on the same exact plane and open the club face it'll go straight and right.. close will go straight and left. It's pretty much impossible to hit a perfectly straight ball flight but you know what I mean. You need a match up with club head path and face angle to shape shots. Rule of thumb is club face to where you want the ball to start and club head path opposite of desired shape. Draw would be open face with in to out path for right handed player. When you use the wrong match up such as open face and out to in, that results in a push slice and vise versa for a pull hook. Now can I do all this perfectly? Absolutely not but I understand the physics quite well
@@brutusbuck45 That’s a method but actually requires manipulation to actually hit the ball on target without missing left or right. There was some confusion of the laws of ball flight back in the day but now with launch monitors we know exactly what the cause and effects are aka “the new laws of ball flight”. (Assuming righty) Say you were hitting a draw, if your face was actually aimed at the target at impact with an in to out path, the ball would start at the target and hook left and just the opposite for a fade. The ball is going to essentially start where the club face is aimed at impact and the swing path in relation to the face causes the shape. So to actually hit a draw at the target, the club face needs to be aimed right at impact and the swing path even further right. (Assuming your normal swing goes straight) Really you’d want to set up with your club face aimed where you want the ball to start and your body set up double whatever amount the face is aimed left or right in order to just swing normal and shape the ball to the target.
This creates swing confusion, better open face for fade and close for draw, keep swing path straight. This maintains consistency for a feel swing golfer
Tiger's story on this has changed a ton over the years, which is likely a result of how his body has changed, too. I think he has to rely more on face manipulation now because he can't square the face with his lower body the way he did when he was younger. Also, I think he does use the foot-line method still, but probably to a lesser degree, again due to the fusion and knee/ankle issues.
That's how I've always done it too. The ball starts on the line the face is pointing, and has an inverse relationship of club path to flight path based on that face angle. You're going to be more consistent if you keep your swing the same and just manipulate the face angle and target line.
@@enfynetexactly Tiger explained doing it this way in most videos I’ve ever heard. Same with other pros. Why try to make it more complex when it really doesn’t need to be
i used to slice alot and i learned how to hit a draw and its the best thing ever now i do baby draws or deadstraight learning how to draw and fade really opens your eyes to how much technique goes into golfing
A fade and draw are caused by the relationship of the clubface relative to the path its swung on. In either of the two samples you showed, it's still possible to fade the ball if you set up for the draw but the face is open relative to the path, and vise versa.
Absolutely, the “tips” in this video just help promote for the club face to be open/closed at impact for each type of swing. It’s not a foolproof plan since you’re correct about the club face relative to the path; however, if you’re a great ball striker simply making this change for alignment will show the desired results majority of the time
@@VestigeHz, if I were a great ball striker, I don't think I would be watching videos on UA-cam! Thanks for the reply and validating my explanation about club face alignment relative to club head path.
Jack Nicklaus said the less changes you do the better, he said to hit a fade he just slightly open the club face and to draw he slightly closed the club face rather than changes the swing path so drastically as an amateur. I hear he knew what he is talking about and was pretty good golfer by some standards
@@lancemanyon7645 Was going to make this same comment. Same exact swing, small change in the face and the target line. Personally I'm pretty good at hitting a draw (or giant hook as it may be) by adjusting my backswing, but hitting a fade that way is fairly inconsistent.
@@billybob2716 No the best way is learning how to pure your irons dead straight then work on shaping shots after. You want to keep the game simple and not get too cute.
Understanding the new laws of ball flight and being able to apply them and shape shots makes hitting “straight” shots so so much easier and when your swing goes sideways you know why and how to correct it. Also the ball never really goes straight, there’s always a direction it favors. You’d probably have more success knowing which way your natural ball flight goes and favoring that for better misses considering the game of golf is largely about your misses. Basically either a straight ball that favors a fade or draw. Personally I find my lowest scores shaping the ball around the course, if the pin is left, most likely I’m going to start the ball at the middle of the green and draw it to the hole and vise versa (Assuming righty). when you hit proper shaped shots the miss is usually a straighter ball flight than expected so your misses will be middle of the green. That’s just a small example of some of the many reasons shaping the ball is beneficial. Not to mention being able to utilize the slopes of the course and create the best angles. Many pros stick to 1 shape on most shots so both methods work.
i can only do one swing but i line up open or closed and adjust the face. open- open for a cut and closed - closed for a draw, it seems to work for me.
@@DW-sk2kr i guess so, maybe if that's how he does it. i can pull it off most of the time but i have to be careful of the pull left when i line up open.
Just my two cents worth. I prefer to make the exact same swing and control the curvature with different amounts of trap on the blade. (I believe that is much easier and reliable.) Therefore, no manipulation of swing path nor release of the club. That’s how Jack and tiger worked it at times. To each their own, however.🙂
Yeah each to there own. I personally do the exact same setup as I would on the club hitting a straight shot. I just change the swing path on the down swing. Been working wonders for me.
Yeah Tiger always talks about his feel in the hands for everything. It seems much easier to do that at least for me as well then having to change bigger muscles to shot shape and path changing. Just depends on the person though
@@jimedgin1922 exactly. Everyday after work I’ve been hitting the range working on my game. I always think practice is better than any amount of YT videos. It’s done me wonders these past couple months.
I can only hit draws/fades on command with irons - woods are still fades 99% of the time. But I've developed my own swing thoughts/tips for each: Fade: Aggressive grip with left hand, shaft neutral, swing out to in. Draw: Less aggressive grip with left hand, shaft leaned forward to your left pocket, clubface pointed a few degrees right, swing in to out. With all irons/wedges you should focus on hitting down/compressing the ball - easiest way to help with this is remembering to "break the glass" or finish with your weight on your lead foot. Otherwise you lean back which leads to bad contact (chunks/thin shots).
It's a very good explanation, but a much easier way to hit. A draw is to bring your left foot up about an inch to an inch. And a 1/2 and I'll reach it'll make the right hip slide behind the shoulder. And when you want to hit a fade, it's the identical opposite. You pull the left foot lead foot about 2 inches behind you. Where it would normally be and slightly open it toward the target. That makes everything work without changing the swing. You never want to change your golf swing, just your positions.
Jack nicklaus method.....always square club with target. Draw....close your stance swing parallel to your stance, and same with the fade , just do the opposite.
Balls curve because a swipe across the back of the ball from the inside (draw) or outside (fade) tilt the backspin axis creating the same lift differential as when an airplane wing does a banked turn. Understanding that helps in understanding where how to control path and face. The biggest problem I had learning to shape shots was the habit from years of hitting straight and coming up facing the target on the straight | stance = target line. But for a draw the stance faces right of the target line / | and you should come up looking at something you pick for stance alignment to the right, not twist coming up to look down the target line. Opposite for fade \ | Commit 100% to swinging and coming up looking to the left and you have a better chance of pulling off the shot as planned. To learn change the two variables one at a time. Adjust stance to face right side of range first and groove the feel of hitting balls straight to the right and once in that groove incrementally close the face and observe how it curves back to the left. Learning to hit a draw is the easiest way to cure a slice 😂
I thought Foley's "scared they gonna put shoes on ya" joke was good purely on the delivery, but FWIW I also couldn't stop laughing later in the episode at the mental image of him taking off running with someone's phone, only to roll an ankle and fall within 5 steps
If you want to learn the easiest way to do this get ahold of one of Jack Nicklaus books he tells you exactly what to do to hit a fade or a draw and it is much easier than he's making it out to be
Most critical: Timing of Hips and Arms It’s the ability of Loading from back swing into front, and if you drive hips forward too far in front of shoulder turn, then it’s leaving the club head open for a fade… Do the same swing and bring your hands down at the same time as your hips, or a split split moment before beginning to move hips forward, and you’ll hook/draw it…. Between the two is Tiger
You can draw by closing your club face slightly and opening the club face to fade. Same concept and draw aim right a bit and vice a versa for fade or cut shot. Worked at driving range for many yrs. Swing path stays out a bit for draws and cut would be inward thru impact. This is so simple.
For me, I just finish with my hands low for a draw, and for a fade, I finish high. If I want more or less shape than I just close or open the club face accordingly.
Wow! You hit draws and fades by taking the club on the opposite paths as I do - for me to hit a draw, I take a backswing more outside, and to hit a fade, I take my backswing more inside.
Or... For a fade, move the ball way forward in your stance, so the ball will start left, and stand closer to the ball and take your normal swing. Thhhe ball will go left to right. For a draw, move the ball back in your room stance, so it starts to the right and stand a little further from the ball to allow more room for an inside path, thhe ball will go right to left. Very easy.
It’s actually a lot easier. Same swing for everything… Draw - ball in front a bit and close stance Fade - ball back a bit & open stance Same swing. Soft hands kids
I do the exact opposite. Getting more shoulder tilt aka staying more behind the ball, naturally opens the club face. I aim left, tilt, and keep everything else the same I get a high fade
Keeping behind the ball doesn't produce a draw for me. Instead, the ball goes careening right, into the woods or the fairway beyond... like at a 90° angle.
Or you can just vary your grip, allows you to get a more consistent ball strike since you don’t change swing path. Weak grip right hand above means fade, strong grip right hand below means draw. And to add extra effect, go vertical for fade and horizontal for draw. Playing with the grip influences directly with the club face which is responsible for shot shaping, as you know closing the face means a draw and vice versa.
There are different ways of accomplishing it but this is the way I learned and it’s how I explain to my buddies when they see me shaking shots another thing Tiger will do is open the face a degree to hit a draw and closes the face a degree when he’s hitting a fade obviously all of that is exaggerated when he needs to really work it
This will destroy 99% of players. What most coaches seem to keep missing is the average person has poor proprioception, balance and coordination. So all this does is confuse and complicates.
I’m new to golf. But what’s the point in these two different shots if you just want it to go to a specific target. Why don’t you just aim it instead of making the ball go a different direction at the start
Look at scheffler and woods. Turn doesn't happen. Ask jack niclnaus. Look at scottie scheffler. Most players use knees are insurance policies to ensure they can stay on top of the ball. And really it's something you need to dial in, in your swing.
Tiger practiced hitting thousands of golf balls daily to achieve this. This is too complicated for your recreational golfer. There are many ways to do this. The simplest way, for your recreational golfer, is to keep the swing exactly the same but adjust your club face and grip to generate the fade or draw. This of course requires learning the different grips to achieve this. There should be at minimum three grips one for neutral, one for draw and one for fade. Adjust the stance foot position for the draw, fade and straight shots. Taking lessons from a teacher who keeps simple like this and the swing compact will you help rec golfers achieve bogey golf on your way to par. That and Practice are the only ways to master this. But if you have to worry about too many elements and positions you will have a lot of duck hook or super slices and that’s no fun on the golf course. The reason I emphasize the foot positions is because changing them will naturally affect the body position and hip tilt with thinking about it as you turn to complete the golf swing. Golf is a mental game so the less you have to think about the more you can be successful and repeat a sound golf swing.
What’s your handicap man? I’d say a 0 or 1 based on swing and knowledge. I could see a plus too. I’m a 4 index but use to be around a 1 index then quit for 5 years and now I’m playing again. Such a great game.
I learned the opposite. Aim straight, on the take away, to fade, bring the club more in on the backswing, your hands will naturally come over and cross on the downswing to keep balance. The opposite for a draw. I can shape it without a mishit every time. I don't play aim games until there is wind comp or a hook or slice. Fade and draw are your swing path and good luck keeping balance the way this video explains... nearly impossible.
Changing your swing path is way too difficult imo. Easiest way is change your stance and and grip. Stance so you aim right for a draw, left for a fade. Face just a little open (less than the direction of your stance) for a draw, a little closed for a fade.
I agree. Swing your swing and just change the swing path on the downswing. At the end of the day the only real way to consistently shape your shots is to practice.
this is the issue with content "instructors". This is absolutely the worst way to explain a draw and fade to someone who would be desperate enough to actually watch youtube videos to improve their game. Something Tiger himself has shit on, his main bit of advice actually "don't watch fuckin' youtube videos". Teaching isn't knowing how to golf and then explaining it, you have to know how to convey something to a beginner so that you can build from that foundation. Videos like this do more harm than good because you're assuming they can hit it straight to begin with. The best way for a beginner to start learning a draw and fade is....your feet aim where you want the ball to start, your shoulders to where the ball will end up and you swing along your foot line. That's it. These simple adjustments allow for all this confusing shit you're trying to explain to happen naturally. THEN you come back with this type of detail so that someone can fine tune their shaping and generate more control of it. Seriously kid, go sign up to become a class A and put the work in before rambling off this nonsense to people who can barely break 90.
Its such a "secret", that any sigle figure player knows how to draw or fade the ball. So here is another secret Tiger, "most players on tour only hit one shot shape, with driver and irons"
Respectfully, each person has to learn what this looks like. I have seen hundreds of different methods to fade/draw, and they're all valid. The key is getting the right face-to-path relationship. That only comes from knowing your natural path and flight, and then understanding how to do one or two things opposite that.
Im gonna need a lot more than one video my man 😂
Lmao 🤣
Practice makes better, never perfect.
Just go to the range and try things you would never try. You’ll surprise your self
@@ZacTexC I miss Putting. That's where strokes are lost.
@@barrelrolltoday6051 develop a short game. If your second or third shot gets you on the green then you’re in good shape. Putt Putt for Golf helped me out growing up. If you have a really good short game then you’ll do good. Watch Saguto Golf. His short videos will help you. He’s straight to the point and no BS
Jack Nicklaus’s instruction. Aim your body where you want the ball to start, the club face where you want the ball to finish. Your swing should be identicle on every shot no changes=higher consistency
That’s a method but actually requires manipulation to actually hit the ball on target without missing left or right. There was some confusion of the laws of ball flight back in the day but now with launch monitors we know exactly what the cause and effects are aka “the new laws of ball flight”. (Assuming righty) Say you were hitting a draw, if your face was actually aimed at the target at impact with an in to out path, the ball would start at the target and hook left and just the opposite for a fade. The ball is going to essentially start where the club face is aimed at impact and the swing path in relation to the face causes the shape. So to actually hit a draw at the target, the club face needs to be aimed right at impact and the swing path even further right. (Assuming your normal swing goes straight) Really you’d want to set up with your club face aimed where you want the ball to start and your body set up double whatever amount the face is aimed left or right in order to just swing normal and shape the ball to the target.
Trackman proved that Nicklaus was wrong, and Nicklaus never did what he said.
@@TheWedgeWizard correct. And Tiger goes through this pretty effectively in his instruction on draw or fade shots. Close down the face, swing towards your left foot for a fade. For a draw, open the face, stay back and accentuate the follow thru right to left. Same thing if you want to spin wedges. There’s also something in there her says about his hand placement and hip action; more hands on fades, less on draws, think about back right pocket on draws, more hip turn on fades. Anecdotally, this has helped my shot shaping a ton.
@@sandwah9901 - 18 Majors, imagine if he did it the right way! 😏
Lol, you just described a chunk and a skull 😂
You don’t know what you’re talking about them
@@brutusbuck45club face angle dictates ball flight direction. If you swing on the same exact plane and open the club face it'll go straight and right.. close will go straight and left. It's pretty much impossible to hit a perfectly straight ball flight but you know what I mean. You need a match up with club head path and face angle to shape shots. Rule of thumb is club face to where you want the ball to start and club head path opposite of desired shape. Draw would be open face with in to out path for right handed player. When you use the wrong match up such as open face and out to in, that results in a push slice and vise versa for a pull hook. Now can I do all this perfectly? Absolutely not but I understand the physics quite well
@@brutusbuck45 That’s a method but actually requires manipulation to actually hit the ball on target without missing left or right. There was some confusion of the laws of ball flight back in the day but now with launch monitors we know exactly what the cause and effects are aka “the new laws of ball flight”. (Assuming righty) Say you were hitting a draw, if your face was actually aimed at the target at impact with an in to out path, the ball would start at the target and hook left and just the opposite for a fade. The ball is going to essentially start where the club face is aimed at impact and the swing path in relation to the face causes the shape. So to actually hit a draw at the target, the club face needs to be aimed right at impact and the swing path even further right. (Assuming your normal swing goes straight) Really you’d want to set up with your club face aimed where you want the ball to start and your body set up double whatever amount the face is aimed left or right in order to just swing normal and shape the ball to the target.
@@brycehubbard1796 I agree 100%. Great explanation of what can take a while to get your head around.
You don’t have a proper swing then if you can adjust for shot shaping 😂
This creates swing confusion, better open face for fade and close for draw, keep swing path straight. This maintains consistency for a feel swing golfer
Great to know! Won’t ever be able to do it because my brain has no command over my body during a golf swing but thanks anyway.
That's funny..me too.😅
I feel this bro. I have some amazingly decent (just over 100) outings and some that i stop keeping score and contemplate basket weaving as a new sport
😂😂😂 same
Easiest way to hit a fade aim left, and open up your club. You WILL get it.
Tiger Woods said he does with grip adjustment and ball position. In the very video that you featured. He keeps the swing plane the same.
Tiger's story on this has changed a ton over the years, which is likely a result of how his body has changed, too. I think he has to rely more on face manipulation now because he can't square the face with his lower body the way he did when he was younger. Also, I think he does use the foot-line method still, but probably to a lesser degree, again due to the fusion and knee/ankle issues.
That's how I've always done it too. The ball starts on the line the face is pointing, and has an inverse relationship of club path to flight path based on that face angle. You're going to be more consistent if you keep your swing the same and just manipulate the face angle and target line.
Greg Norman was the same, he merely aimed the clubface at the target, aimed his body at the initial tracking line, and then hit as normal.
@@enfynetexactly Tiger explained doing it this way in most videos I’ve ever heard. Same with other pros. Why try to make it more complex when it really doesn’t need to be
@@markmark5269that’s how I was taught to hit it. I’ve always had a natural fade though so a draw is tough for me to hit consistently.
i used to slice alot and i learned how to hit a draw and its the best thing ever now i do baby draws or deadstraight learning how to draw and fade really opens your eyes to how much technique goes into golfing
Wow. Only Tiger knows this ‘secret’. Did you beat it out of him?
What a stupid title. You think nobody hit fades or draws before Tiger?
One of the dumbest titles ever on You Tube
Lmao
You need to invest in a ball tracker app so we can actually see you hit the shots.
Donate the money to him then. He’s giving you free tips chump, he doesn’t NEED to do anything.
@@jordybeans2392Think you need to take a chill pill buddy…. Life hard? You struggling?
A fade and draw are caused by the relationship of the clubface relative to the path its swung on. In either of the two samples you showed, it's still possible to fade the ball if you set up for the draw but the face is open relative to the path, and vise versa.
Absolutely, the “tips” in this video just help promote for the club face to be open/closed at impact for each type of swing. It’s not a foolproof plan since you’re correct about the club face relative to the path; however, if you’re a great ball striker simply making this change for alignment will show the desired results majority of the time
@@VestigeHz, if I were a great ball striker, I don't think I would be watching videos on UA-cam! Thanks for the reply and validating my explanation about club face alignment relative to club head path.
Jack Nicklaus said the less changes you do the better, he said to hit a fade he just slightly open the club face and to draw he slightly closed the club face rather than changes the swing path so drastically as an amateur. I hear he knew what he is talking about and was pretty good golfer by some standards
@@lancemanyon7645 Was going to make this same comment. Same exact swing, small change in the face and the target line. Personally I'm pretty good at hitting a draw (or giant hook as it may be) by adjusting my backswing, but hitting a fade that way is fairly inconsistent.
Just wanna hit it straight
😢😢
Good luck. Best way to improve is to learn how to curve both ways
@@billybob2716 No the best way is learning how to pure your irons dead straight then work on shaping shots after. You want to keep the game simple and not get too cute.
@@kaypgrowth😅😅
@@kaypgrowthNick faldo once roughly said 'Every single time I can shape it left or right, but I can't guarantee I'll hit it straight every time'
20 yrs after picking up golf, I’m still working on hit it straight.
jack said just open the face at setup for fade, close the face at set up draw.
I’m just trying to hit the damn thing straight every time.
Try to find your natural path - either a draw or fade...
Then you will play better...
Hardest shot in golf is straight. Most pros hit a natural cut
Understanding the new laws of ball flight and being able to apply them and shape shots makes hitting “straight” shots so so much easier and when your swing goes sideways you know why and how to correct it. Also the ball never really goes straight, there’s always a direction it favors. You’d probably have more success knowing which way your natural ball flight goes and favoring that for better misses considering the game of golf is largely about your misses. Basically either a straight ball that favors a fade or draw. Personally I find my lowest scores shaping the ball around the course, if the pin is left, most likely I’m going to start the ball at the middle of the green and draw it to the hole and vise versa (Assuming righty). when you hit proper shaped shots the miss is usually a straighter ball flight than expected so your misses will be middle of the green. That’s just a small example of some of the many reasons shaping the ball is beneficial. Not to mention being able to utilize the slopes of the course and create the best angles. Many pros stick to 1 shape on most shots so both methods work.
i can only do one swing but i line up open or closed and adjust the face. open- open for a cut and closed - closed for a draw, it seems to work for me.
Phil mikelson style
@@DW-sk2kr i guess so, maybe if that's how he does it. i can pull it off most of the time but i have to be careful of the pull left when i line up open.
Just my two cents worth. I prefer to make the exact same swing and control the curvature with different amounts of trap on the blade. (I believe that is much easier and reliable.) Therefore, no manipulation of swing path nor release of the club. That’s how Jack and tiger worked it at times.
To each their own, however.🙂
Yeah each to there own. I personally do the exact same setup as I would on the club hitting a straight shot. I just change the swing path on the down swing. Been working wonders for me.
Yeah Tiger always talks about his feel in the hands for everything. It seems much easier to do that at least for me as well then having to change bigger muscles to shot shape and path changing. Just depends on the person though
@@kaypgrowth to quote a good buddy of mine: “it ain’t how, it’s how many”. 😉
Stay safe and keep swinging!
@@jimedgin1922 exactly. Everyday after work I’ve been hitting the range working on my game. I always think practice is better than any amount of YT videos. It’s done me wonders these past couple months.
@@kaypgrowth no one gets good in this game without paying their dues to the Practice Facility!
Stay after it!
Fade shots are so smooth while draw shots feel rickity.
And if you'd like even more shape on your shots, I can teach you the hook & the slice
I can only hit draws/fades on command with irons - woods are still fades 99% of the time.
But I've developed my own swing thoughts/tips for each:
Fade: Aggressive grip with left hand, shaft neutral, swing out to in.
Draw: Less aggressive grip with left hand, shaft leaned forward to your left pocket, clubface pointed a few degrees right, swing in to out.
With all irons/wedges you should focus on hitting down/compressing the ball - easiest way to help with this is remembering to "break the glass" or finish with your weight on your lead foot. Otherwise you lean back which leads to bad contact (chunks/thin shots).
It's a very good explanation, but a much easier way to hit. A draw is to bring your left foot up about an inch to an inch. And a 1/2 and I'll reach it'll make the right hip slide behind the shoulder. And when you want to hit a fade, it's the identical opposite. You pull the left foot lead foot about 2 inches behind you. Where it would normally be and slightly open it toward the target. That makes everything work without changing the swing. You never want to change your golf swing, just your positions.
Jack nicklaus method.....always square club with target. Draw....close your stance swing parallel to your stance, and same with the fade , just do the opposite.
I found this method is consistant
Literally the first time hearing about different deliberate shots, good stuff here
Balls curve because a swipe across the back of the ball from the inside (draw) or outside (fade) tilt the backspin axis creating the same lift differential as when an airplane wing does a banked turn. Understanding that helps in understanding where how to control path and face.
The biggest problem I had learning to shape shots was the habit from years of hitting straight and coming up facing the target on the straight | stance = target line. But for a draw the stance faces right of the target line / | and you should come up looking at something you pick for stance alignment to the right, not twist coming up to look down the target line. Opposite for fade \ | Commit 100% to swinging and coming up looking to the left and you have a better chance of pulling off the shot as planned.
To learn change the two variables one at a time. Adjust stance to face right side of range first and groove the feel of hitting balls straight to the right and once in that groove incrementally close the face and observe how it curves back to the left.
Learning to hit a draw is the easiest way to cure a slice 😂
Thanks gonna remember this and try to alter more shots.
Bro your coming up in my algorithm (I’m in NZ) and I love it. Never stop doing this you’re the man!
I thought Foley's "scared they gonna put shoes on ya" joke was good purely on the delivery, but FWIW I also couldn't stop laughing later in the episode at the mental image of him taking off running with someone's phone, only to roll an ankle and fall within 5 steps
I wondered how I started hitting a draw after trying a new set up thanks man
Great video!
If you want to learn the easiest way to do this get ahold of one of Jack Nicklaus books he tells you exactly what to do to hit a fade or a draw and it is much easier than he's making it out to be
Also, you can close / open up the club face a tiny bit with the feet alignment left/right of target, respectively. Much easier to comprehend
Draw: aim club to target, closed stance. Fade: aim club to target, open stance
The average golfer can't hit the ball, period.
Only around 5% of golfers can break 100.
This vid is for VERY GOOD golfers only.
Telling an amateur to lay back behind the ball is going to lock them onto their back foot.
I do the same thing, but I also adjust my grip for the shot. Great information in this video.
Did you get Tigers approval for this? not sure he would have signed off.
Most critical: Timing of Hips and Arms
It’s the ability of Loading from back swing into front, and if you drive hips forward too far in front of shoulder turn, then it’s leaving the club head open for a fade…
Do the same swing and bring your hands down at the same time as your hips, or a split split moment before beginning to move hips forward, and you’ll hook/draw it….
Between the two is Tiger
Ive always found a fade quite easy to do whereas a draw is way more difficult, for me anyway
Who else was quietly singing "Roxanne, Roxanne, all she wanna do is party all night..." while watching this video clip?
You can draw by closing your club face slightly and opening the club face to fade. Same concept and draw aim right a bit and vice a versa for fade or cut shot. Worked at driving range for many yrs. Swing path stays out a bit for draws and cut would be inward thru impact. This is so simple.
For me, I just finish with my hands low for a draw, and for a fade, I finish high. If I want more or less shape than I just close or open the club face accordingly.
Bro. Thanks for this tip. Took it out to the course and it works like a charm!
Really enjoying your shorts. Many gems here.
Wow! You hit draws and fades by taking the club on the opposite paths as I do - for me to hit a draw, I take a backswing more outside, and to hit a fade, I take my backswing more inside.
I usually use my club face angle at impact more than my swing path, but that works too, depends on what you feel comfortable doing.
I always focus on swing path. It lets me regulate how much shape.
Your thoughts?
Jack knew the secret before tiger. Watch his videos.
Or... For a fade, move the ball way forward in your stance, so the ball will start left, and stand closer to the ball and take your normal swing. Thhhe ball will go left to right. For a draw, move the ball back in your room stance, so it starts to the right and stand a little further from the ball to allow more room for an inside path, thhe ball will go right to left. Very easy.
Great lesson
To hit a fade I just swing.
Golf is an actual sport. It takes skill just like billiards, its not a game its sport.
so anything requiring skill is a sport ?
It’s actually a lot easier.
Same swing for everything…
Draw - ball in front a bit and close stance
Fade - ball back a bit & open stance
Same swing. Soft hands kids
I do the exact opposite. Getting more shoulder tilt aka staying more behind the ball, naturally opens the club face. I aim left, tilt, and keep everything else the same I get a high fade
Good advise
Keeping behind the ball doesn't produce a draw for me. Instead, the ball goes careening right, into the woods or the fairway beyond... like at a 90° angle.
Or you can just vary your grip, allows you to get a more consistent ball strike since you don’t change swing path. Weak grip right hand above means fade, strong grip right hand below means draw. And to add extra effect, go vertical for fade and horizontal for draw. Playing with the grip influences directly with the club face which is responsible for shot shaping, as you know closing the face means a draw and vice versa.
Yea that not it bro. Pros don’t change their backswing ever to hit different shots. That would be way to hard to repeat under pressure
Instructions unclear, I just wrecked my back
That looks pretty simple
There are different ways of accomplishing it but this is the way I learned and it’s how I explain to my buddies when they see me shaking shots another thing Tiger will do is open the face a degree to hit a draw and closes the face a degree when he’s hitting a fade obviously all of that is exaggerated when he needs to really work it
Bros teaching the reverse pivot
I can assure you Tiger is not the only one.
You need to add the shot tracer
Tiger also says do not listen to youtube golfers
good advice to lose all distance on the fade
Need to practice this
This will destroy 99% of players. What most coaches seem to keep missing is the average person has poor proprioception, balance and coordination. So all this does is confuse and complicates.
Only Tiger knew how to hit a draw and a fade....whats left for the rest of us?
I’m pretty sure Tiger isn’t the only one
I’m new to golf. But what’s the point in these two different shots if you just want it to go to a specific target. Why don’t you just aim it instead of making the ball go a different direction at the start
Lovely young man's swing. Believe me i can hit a fade/slice with any set up or swing!
And this is why there's slow play at Royal Park lol
Are you kidding? Every golf instruction book talks about this.
good tips thanks.
Simple game. Pull trigger, swing smooth...easy...
Look at scheffler and woods. Turn doesn't happen. Ask jack niclnaus. Look at scottie scheffler. Most players use knees are insurance policies to ensure they can stay on top of the ball. And really it's something you need to dial in, in your swing.
The great ballstrikers just use their hands to hit draws or fades.
This is dangerously incorrect content
Tiger practiced hitting thousands of golf balls daily to achieve this. This is too complicated for your recreational golfer. There are many ways to do this. The simplest way, for your recreational golfer, is to keep the swing exactly the same but adjust your club face and grip to generate the fade or draw. This of course requires learning the different grips to achieve this. There should be at minimum three grips one for neutral, one for draw and one for fade. Adjust the stance foot position for the draw, fade and straight shots. Taking lessons from a teacher who keeps simple like this and the swing compact will you help rec golfers achieve bogey golf on your way to par. That and Practice are the only ways to master this. But if you have to worry about too many elements and positions you will have a lot of duck hook or super slices and that’s no fun on the golf course. The reason I emphasize the foot positions is because changing them will naturally affect the body position and hip tilt with thinking about it as you turn to complete the golf swing. Golf is a mental game so the less you have to think about the more you can be successful and repeat a sound golf swing.
What’s your handicap man? I’d say a 0 or 1 based on swing and knowledge. I could see a plus too.
I’m a 4 index but use to be around a 1 index then quit for 5 years and now I’m playing again. Such a great game.
Kids got speed
Most people just change their club grip.
Only Tiger knows how to hit a draw or fade? Wow. Never knew…
I learned the opposite. Aim straight, on the take away, to fade, bring the club more in on the backswing, your hands will naturally come over and cross on the downswing to keep balance. The opposite for a draw. I can shape it without a mishit every time. I don't play aim games until there is wind comp or a hook or slice. Fade and draw are your swing path and good luck keeping balance the way this video explains... nearly impossible.
When an educational video say’s “this is the only thing you need to…” swipe away because it’s always bullshit
Changing your swing path is way too difficult imo. Easiest way is change your stance and and grip. Stance so you aim right for a draw, left for a fade. Face just a little open (less than the direction of your stance) for a draw, a little closed for a fade.
tigers not the only one..omg
who else
@@golfslump pretty much any pro golfer ...lol
Funny the GOAT Jack Nicklaus Opened or Closed the Club Head to hit a Fade or a Draw!
I play PGA one time and I get recommended golf shorts and videos. FML
Swing down your “line” where the feet are
your swing is good, but I'm cautious about telling people to turn their hips on the backswing. I don't think it's actually what most of the greats do
There are so many armchair golf coaches these days just posting videos.
I agree. Swing your swing and just change the swing path on the downswing. At the end of the day the only real way to consistently shape your shots is to practice.
this is the issue with content "instructors". This is absolutely the worst way to explain a draw and fade to someone who would be desperate enough to actually watch youtube videos to improve their game. Something Tiger himself has shit on, his main bit of advice actually "don't watch fuckin' youtube videos". Teaching isn't knowing how to golf and then explaining it, you have to know how to convey something to a beginner so that you can build from that foundation. Videos like this do more harm than good because you're assuming they can hit it straight to begin with. The best way for a beginner to start learning a draw and fade is....your feet aim where you want the ball to start, your shoulders to where the ball will end up and you swing along your foot line. That's it. These simple adjustments allow for all this confusing shit you're trying to explain to happen naturally. THEN you come back with this type of detail so that someone can fine tune their shaping and generate more control of it. Seriously kid, go sign up to become a class A and put the work in before rambling off this nonsense to people who can barely break 90.
Only Tiger knew this...
Wow. I guess all the other professionals just get lucky
We're the goats 🐐 eating that turf, dang.
doing opposite means
draw - head behind ball ✅
fade - head infront ball?🤔
Tiger's advice:
Don't watch F'in UA-cam videos! 😂
Its such a "secret", that any sigle figure player knows how to draw or fade the ball. So here is another secret Tiger, "most players on tour only hit one shot shape, with driver and irons"
So this is where the "100 girls ON the beach" ended up🤔
Draw- Take back swing inside the chin, Fade- Take backswing outside the chin
I prefer the happy Gilmore approach.
Mans be firing so hard that it’s obvious you’re trying to hit whatever club it may be with so much force. You ain’t got that smooth power in ya lol
drive for sho putt for dough
Respectfully, each person has to learn what this looks like. I have seen hundreds of different methods to fade/draw, and they're all valid. The key is getting the right face-to-path relationship. That only comes from knowing your natural path and flight, and then understanding how to do one or two things opposite that.