The Women of FARC: Inside the Americas’ Longest War | Woman with Gloria Steinem
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- Опубліковано 29 січ 2024
- As Colombia nears the end of a fifty-year civil war, we meet current and former female FARC soldiers to find out how they will be reintegrated into society.
This episode of Woman was filmed in 2016.
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... pff socialist latin-america... nothing changes.. in 500 years u can still make these kind of documentaries... stupid never learns i guess...
It's about time someone took the FARC seriously.
I love how Vice does a long-form piece about the war in Colombia every 6-12 months, because the war in Colombia LITERALLY NEVER ENDS.
And never will.
This FARC lady 13:15 understands the dark and truma part of abortions more better than these liberal politicians, and talk puppets that never had a baby. Folks in the west are blind
Yes bro I was just thinking, haven't vice being here before. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Its never been a war, is just a country defending itself from communism
This vid is from 2016. Vice keeps posting their older vid's since the bankruptcy and mass layoffs.
Tania Njeimer is a Dutch national who for some reason decided to join the FARC.. you failed to mention that. She talks about Colombian society as if she was forced to live that reality….
Why not interview a Colombian academic regarding the peace accord ? Not sure if you’re really going to get an objective perspective from Virginia, an American, working with the U.S government.. just saying..
The whole thing was like that. The interviewer made it seem like life in the jungle was hell, and then when interviewing the last woman who describes how she was told she HAS to wear heels, and to act like a 'woman' the interviewer is just like 'do you think integration is hard?' The woman goes on to say she misses the jungle, and its clear shes not a fan of how she was lied to... The interviewer just ignores all that and just has softball questions. idk this was hard to watch from a subjective frame of mind. Once you realize the US is behind alot of this stuff its like 'oh well that makes sense.'
Definitely felt like the interviewer was actively searching and hoping for something to be upset about, and those women soldiers seemed super cool and respected and she’s not helping at all by trying to victimize them
@@admfrm610 Hoping for something to be upset about??? Are you out of your goddamned mind? This crew kills more people than Al Qaida does!!! Are you insane?
Very valid, I definitely would not have known that she was Dutch. Crazy!?!😊
killermachine all soldier turn in too its simpel to see mate
"The FARC began as a peasant uprising against extreme poverty and government repression"
Well, yeah - that's how basically every insurgency ever began
Guerilla warfare is the peoples war.....
It wasn't because they where jealous of the U.S's Freedoms?? 😉
It evolved into a corrupt group of guerrilla fighters taking advantage of impoverished people for their personal gain. They are funded by illicit drug money and other foreign adversaries.
@@EyFmS Freedoms that are becoming, less & less my friend. Don't fool yourself or anyone else in this. No, we are not yet without all, just a little closer to the third world countries that are without. I am thankful in every sense we have some freedom. Have never lived without, as in many other countries. Though I can only hope that freedom finds its way into all societies that have and are repressed. My prayers are with the many who are in the fight for equality of freedom.
@@EyFmSThis rebellion started because of poverty. Many people were not educated and didn't even know about the USA. Then, the local leaders saw a chance to promote their Marxist and anti-USA beliefs. Sadly, some Colombians who got help from the United States used it against them to show why they need more money and political control in the country.
It's incredible how people expect everyone in a revolutionary movement to be able to talk or do a discourse about political theory... most people can't do this and this is fine. The 20 years old girl doesn't need to understand the minutiae of theory, she doesn't need to fully grasp Marxist concepts, because she is living it. She witnessed oppression and class struggle, she is enduring it. She is taking part in a movement and learning as she goes. This is natural. Imagine if we asked every Christian about Trinitarianism doctrine. How many Christians would be able to talk about it? Is someone less of a believer (or a lesser Christian) for not knowing about the Trinitarianism doctrine? How many people in a capitalist society could talk meaningfully about market-oriented economies? How many would only look like they are parroting propaganda or coach-talk?
Especially because, for a Marxist, what one thinks (their thoughts) is secondary to what one does (their actions). Action begets thought. Following Pascal: you don't pray because you believe, you believe because you pray.
Really great comment, I got weird, almost propaganda like vibes from the interviewer when she commented on the FARC women talking about their ideology.
Bruh she is a child soldier. The girl has been raised in what is basically a cult and never allowed to see the outside world. For the love of god why do you try and defend these people?
they're uneducated, it's as easy as that. They are indoctrinated.
@@miguelturner7824 Some westerners can't comprehend that these people have their own free will and subjectivity, regularly going so far as to assume that because they have a different ideology they must be NPCs devoid of any agency.
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vice: she requested that we conceal her identity
also vice: shows her entire face without blur….
They do that constantly and have for years, it's a Vice News staple to put real peoples lives in danger with their journalism
Where exactly?
bit disgraceful. how have they got away with that?
commentor: accuses vice of revealing womans identity
also commentor: doesnt realise there is more than one woman in the video and the woman who wanted to be blurred is blurred all the time
@@studio_rtrthey didnt show hers, but they showed her entire backside where you could see her, its color, skin tone, bodyshape, the group she attends, and the people shes likely to hug when attending. If anyone cared to go to the meeting, shed be identified immediately. They once uncovered a mans identity by zooming in on his fingerprint from an ig photo about a rare apple. And theres a story where people found out where recordings were being made by the background noises and the stars in video, just some examples of how little is needed to identify and find people.
The reporter says" I feel like we are not getting the full picture". What she actually meant is, am not getting my way to frame my agenda.
Si
Has nothing to do about the full picture, she's just not very bright. It's obvious that people who have spent 10 years since their 12th birthday in the jungle without cellphones will know nothing about politics or worldwide issues except for the manifestos and talking points of their organization.
yep.
One thing about the wider picture and the peace process missed by this report is the Positivos Falsos scsndal. Thousands of innocent Colombians killed by the military on suspicion of being linked to FARC, just like that. If FARC has fought brutally in the past it is partly in response to how brutal and ruthless the Colombian Military has been, a military supported by American funds no less.
War is always brutal and nasty, for everyone involved.
Love how most of these people were willing to stop and go back and the government started killing them again after claiming peace and then got mad when they went back to fighting
That's a croc. Not all FARC terrorist gave up their arms.
Crazy bc America caused many of the issues in these war torn countries we love to blame bc that’s what America wants you to do. Instead of hating on whatever side you oppose don’t just follow what like minded people would think do a little research and you’ll always learn something new!
@@mav333Well of course not but enough would have to make a serious impact and further delegitimize the movement. But the government felt the need for revenge killings and now that option is gone.
i love how you immediately blamed us and ignored the fact stated in the above comment, the America has tried helping countries that couldnt be helped, like Afghanistan, or Iraq @@aaroncantu5763
@@aaroncantu5763America absolutely deserves much of the blame for Latin America but saying they’re entirely responsible for this removes agency from them. There was a real chance at peace for this specific conflict and bad faith actors ruined that in favor of revenge.
Doesn’t seem like much of an incentive to leave FARC if the very reasons they joined it are still an issue. Being shackled to poverty and economically dependent upon others is no way to live. Inclusion of women in peace talks and economic development is vital.
This documentary is old. Both women and men were betrayed and after surrendering their weapons many of them lost their lives. The peace treaty was a joke.
Exactly what I thought
Some of them join like that, most of them were soldier kids, all armed groups in Colombia recruit children. But guerrillas and paras do it a lot
its a catch 22 the FarC thinks they are fighting against poverty but they also create it, as no will go and invest in a country like colombia, and those that have wealth want to leave thus also creating a cycle of low investment and no jobs thus incentavizing people to join teh FARC, all the colombians i know that own busniess and creat jobs are constantly saying they want to leave the country and many of them have family that already has left
@@gregducati999 Problem is, you think the rich are kind hearted and WANT to help Colombians with their investments and lift them out of poverty, when in reality they are selfish, money-addicted psychopaths who only care about profits and investing in nations with little to no safety or environmental regulations, worker rights and cheap, exploitable labor and resources with a government willing to murder its own civilians if they go on strike.
I've always loved Vice Content but this interviewer felt like she had an agenda to sustain, she barely mentions "El Plan Colombia" and barely mentions the true scope of the class system that the country has in place or the drug trade / war on drugs context to understand what their fight is really about and the causes for such conflict; . I got a vibe that this piece was kind of putting in doubt the commitment of the FARC soldiers to their ideals with a "Gotcha" moment. I wish there were more local journalists covering this and not through an American-lense but well it is an American media company after all.
This made me curious about moving to Colombia, tbh. I mean, not for any subversive reasons or anything.
@@intricaticColOmbia.
Agreed
@@intricatic Vamos a Colombia pues
Vice is a "Woke" liberal news feed. They see the world through the lens of the politically correct liberal who votes for softer american imperialism whilst virtue signalling. Not the revolutionary.
Its crazy Colombia's war was 50 yrs while the war in my parents country Guatemala was 36 yrs. I am glad these countries have found peace accords.
Colombia is far from peaceful. In fact, it’s got worse since the peace accords
True Colombia is going down hill with it's current government
@@juanjosegomeztamayo8823 facts. Not to mention the ELN and the other groups
Colombia will never stop growing Coca.
@@BillyT886 true but Colombia is slightly better than it was in the 80s. KEY WORD: Slightly
This documentary paints the reintegration process as a means for peace, but it essentially ignores the fact that these women are giving up on their principles of equality and what they have fought for to be a part of a society that oppressed them in the first place. it's a recipe for a vicious cycle. it'd have been good if there was some focus on what the government is doing to alleviate the injustice and meet the 'rebel' group halfway instead of painting it as this pariah who is doing its utmost to create peace.
Keep in mind that just because they are women does not excuse them for their actions. Look into the war crimes committed by this group. So many Innocents died at their hand. Leave it to vice to ignore that just because "feminism"
These women did not join FARC for their principles of equality. They joined because they wanted a paycheck and did not have opportunity where they came from. But millions of other people are in the same position and they don't join an organization that murders, smuggles drugs, kidnaps innocent people and steals from the people. Without opportunity life can be hard in Colombia but its no reason to be a terrorist.
@@neoxyte noone is excusing their actions here or supporting them just because they're women. The documentary is about women's involvement in a rebel group. But every negotiation we've seen around the world asks for concessions from both parties except this. I'm asking why the journalist avoided pointing this out.
@@lilyteshome2091 great point Icompletely agree!🤔👍
It's part of the Aufheben
I feel like this was told with a bias and through an American lense instead of the Columbians pov
No such thing as unbiased reporting
Imagine expecting vice to not be biased. VICE!
I have to chuckle that you put a u in Colombia with this comment, not bad, just made me laugh a little
It’s just Vice.
After long time vice made good video again 😀 thanks !
Ghana is regarded as one of the most peaceful however there has been tribal conflicts in some part of the country with estimated deaths up to a 1000 and counting. It is with high hope Vice will one day look into this long blood feud
The fact that we get free videos from VICE News on UA-cam is priceless, keeping the education and knowledge alive. 🙏🙏🙏
May I also remind you the fact that our Native American population in our motherland, the Continent of America before the European Colonizers arrived, was around 15 millions, while the European population in their motherland, the Continent of Europe was around 25 millions.
Today, Native American population is 15 million, while the European population, in the Continents of America + Europe, is a staggering TWO BILLION! A shocking sad truth. 😔
In my humble opinion, it's about time to decolonize the Colonized lands, and return it to rightful owners Native American people.
Notorious global cardinal crimes the Christian West has committed, and benefited a great deals, such as Slavery & Colonialism had long been over, why on earth is notorious Colonization still lingering on, may I ask? 🤷
It ain’t free jack you still have to buy a device with a web browser and the internet
@@jeffsimpson1421what do you suggest VICE do so people can watch their videos?
@@anni610I wouldn't mind a free phone and Internet
Feel free to contribute money. They are not doing well financially.
@@mariochamorro1969do you mean VICE or FARC?
18:47 wait a therapist said that? So part of reintegration is "wear tight clothes and heels"?
Media is presenting wrong things these women are not fighting they are just acting .
It's what therapist tell trans people to do.
It's Columbia, that's about enlightened as you can, hope for
for colombians those things are important, for other parts of latin america, not so much
You read that sign wrong, it actually said The-rapist...
Central and South America have so much potential, utilizing their natural resources!
The people have suffered enough
More, more, more like this. This is so valuable. Thank you Vice.
I really appreciate the lengths you all go to for your journalism. Thank you!!!
One of the reasons to join for a poor person is pretty much the same in other countries. Education. Joining FARC is much of the time the best education a colombian can get without moving to a city. For some, signing up to an insurgency can be an actual step up economically.
Economically and socially. When you have to join an insurgency to literally just be treated as an equal human being, you know the status quo is royally fucked.
In Colombia, there's no good reason to join an armed group, do you think VICE will show foreign journalists all the attrocities they commit?
This interview was sort of salacious at one point. Your fighting alongside beautiful women of course there will be those types of bonds.
Fantastic journalism on this piece
thank you so much for this documentary !
I'm pretty sure this video is years old but it's still good. I wish vice would come out with new good content
Very old.
Most of the content in this is not even relevant anymore.
2016
Do you have any info on why you say this is old? Just curios, didnt know about FARC until now,
Vice has become way too politically correct to make good reports. They use to be so based. Now they are. Well there is no words to really describe Vice. Disgraceful would be fitting i guess.
Good job vice! You turned a documentary about bad ass women fighters from farc, into a documentary about feminism and womens rights in another country.
Both parties just loveeee all this gender norm bs and it’s funny because they’re so clearly (desperately!!) trying to distract us from justice😂 sure feminism is cool, but to totally glaze over the fact that the Colombian government (cia funded) is just corrupt. Lmao women are oppressed and everyone is in poverty. That’s the picture.
Always watching from Georgetown Guyana south America 🇬🇾🇬🇾🇬🇾
Love to see an update. 👍
That's the kind of stuff I want to see from Vice. Thanks!
Stupid stuff
This is definitely a older report. Vice doesn't create good reports anymore. Or very very rarely.
@@direct2397yeah, says so in the description.
@@direct2397 listen taste is subjective but OBJECTIVELY? bro this isn’t even good it’s so clearly biased journalism
WOW. Gloria as the opening!
Gloria Steinem worked for the CIA. This is well documented and she even acknowledges and defends it in her autobiography. This video, while informative in many ways, has a very strong pro-U.S. imperialist tilt reflected in its silence on the horrors facilitated by the U.S.'s "Plan Colombia," its casting of doubts on the articulate statements of the women FARC combatants, its disproportionate and largely uncritical focus on the question of "reintegration," and its reliance on the analysis of the U.S. Institute for Peace spokesperson without making clear that the USIP is an instrument of U.S. foreign policy. The bookending of the video with commentary by Steinem is entirely in keeping with this tilt in view of her personal history working for the CIA infiltrating student and youth activist gatherings in the 1960s.
Great short doc, gracias.
I have so many more questions about FARC than answers. It isn't a justification of FARC to say that there is much more to the story.
Women being part of the peace process is essential. I've seen community bodies of women do incredible things. The mamas councils in peshmerga neighborhoods are a great example. They settle disputes and conflicts over things like murders between the families of those involved. It's really something.
FARC also offered Shelter and Security for all sorts of runaways, there's still some pretty colorful people in the jungle...
Colorful criminals. I bet they are useful members of society, never stealing, murdering and demanding free stuff and housing.
Wow such a good documentary
Thanks Vice!
More than reintegration, Society needs to examine why such rebellions start, which is ready to take lives to fight inequality and injustice and what's so compelling about greed that's ready to risk its life for those few extra dollars.
Interesting stuff
Hi VICE News thank you for your good reports. Please do not forget to use bookmarks and time stamps for quick reference of your content :)
I guess the interviews were interesting even if it was always going to have the state department framing
Was filmed in 2016
The 2000s called, they want their point of view back
Shame
Amazing! thank you
Thanks for the good ❄️
Translation could be a lot better. Yes the point of what they were saying got across but some of the words they used could have been easily translated and have shown more emphasis on what they were saying.
my ex fiance was in the Army and to this day I'd still choose her over anyone else in terms of competency and ability to get sht done and protect. Shes a bada$$, I just happened to be an addict who couldnt get it together so we split. But women for sure can take on leadership roles even in masculine institutions.
Superb journalism
Very interesting. . Thank you.
Thanks Vice!!!! ❤
Interviewer looks like she’s been trying out the local product.
Alice Speri deserves all the credit for this piece. Thank you, Alice.
Solidarity!
Would just like to point out the fact that there are thousands of former male soldiers who can’t reintegrate into society either. It sucks for everyone who has to experience war.
Surprise, no one wants to hire a criminal.
@@chionomanyear you support FARC ok kid
Absolutely great piece, VICE news hit it on the nail thank you greatly .
Brave women, much respect to them .
Long live Vice!
This completely only highlights that anything that the USA is funding is either ONLY to save the USA's as5 or if they don't cause a conflict then columbia may potentially be too rich. (Which is why they needed to "help" the colombian government.)
Roberta? Is that you?
I was thinking the same. 😂
It's really strange for me as a Dutch person to see Tanja who like 13 years ago dominated the news in our country cause she joined the FARC. She looks completely integrated that's crazy 😅
You gotta fight for your right.
The woman's story of how her baby was literally extracted from her, piece by piece is so disturbing and gruesome to visualize. I can't even imagine going through that. I wish her well. Wow. Monsters. To do that to a baby.
vice complaining about getting the party line 😂
I’m getting my conceal and carry license this week.
I’m a 140lbs women and I’m no longer going to walk around in fear.
Please ladies,let’s make the playing field EVEN.
I wish it was about the conflict and the farc over all
10:29 Yep, These are just combatants, they don't know anything about the ideology or why they are fighting, if you ask them they all repeat the same answer, Similarly if you ask any US soldier why they are fighting, they are not able to give any ideological or actual reasons, talk to senior members or think-tank of the oraganization, they will answer your questions. I am from India and in my state their are active Maoist far-left insergency, in past i mate some rebels during the visit of my villege and ask them similar question, their answer were the same as tape-recorder.
Surely yous realize people wont share any complaints, if they have any, when they're group is standing 20ft away.....everything is filmed showing their face, theyre members for life, And they're relying on their fellow fighters to have their back in an emergency.
Its like interviewing a family member with the rest of the famiy home. These people live together so tightly, bad mouthing your people is a bad look.
Many of the women fighters are regularly sexually abused and enslaved for the pleasure of the commanders.
Right lol, I'm not about to give an outsider my secrets and complaints.
Correct…
I haven't seen Gloria in years.
This was filmed in 2016
PEACE IS EARNED, NOT GIVEN
Peace with justice = human rights.
Im just saying, in the middle of a war, young children are a liability.
They should give the women the choice to leave in this case...
@@risitas5874are you stupid? This war has been going on generations everybody chose to fight for farc and how many cease fires that have been called of course it's chances to leave so keep that feminist bs to yourself
Assuming what the colombian government's lies even are true, the government would've tortured them to reveal their secrets (troop location, etc) @@risitas5874
Bless these Women Lord 🙏
Colombian women got it all, glam beauty, gorgeous accent and tough set of stones
10:20 „did you understand these political issues?“
Bruh. Her family starved while few people live in mansions on everyones expensive. The only people who don’t understand that „political issue“ are those who never experienced it once.
Geez this woman has never even heard of poverty, no wonder vice fell off
wake up babe, new (prob re-used) yearly-dose colombian civil war vice video just dropped
More docs like this please. No more garbage
That thumbnail is badass
13:00 люди не уходили бы в партизаны , если в правительсте не было бы фашистов, не соблюдающих договорённостей о не преследований в дальнейшем (автор канала ни слова не сказала о фундаментальных причинах гражданской войны, зато умело спускалась от общего к частному, показывая историю с анонимной девушкой)
Now they found oil in Guyana so hold on to your hats folks.
@@PwerRanger01 that land is venezuelan, but the government is so desorganozed and useless that they have been begging for it for 100 yeara and wont do nothing
The women of FARC and the men who loved them....
Yesssir!
Women and men fighting in a jungle side by side for equality as equals having relationships and both using some form of birth control. Journalists “ WhY ARe wOmaN tHe ONLy oNEs uSINg bIrTh cOntRol” Is she serious??
In FARC forms of birth control are mandatory for women, not for men. What didn't you get?
Mandatory birth control and forced abortions qualify as equal to you? I've never seen someone miss the point by so much, nice work.
@@ryanmorgan5677 what do you want pregenant woman fighting in the front lines so you can say they are equal ? if you haven't noticed only one sex can get pregnant and condoms are a form of male birth control.
@@ryanmorgan5677 I didn't talk about forced abortions. I just stated what the FARC member said in the video.
This is what happens when you focus on "identity" instead of reality. We dont need to talk about "women" we are all aware of women Vice...
❤
This video isn't trying to prove that women were never as capable as men but for those OF, self selling women to see the better light and I respect these women for choosing the better path
So this was filmed eight years ago
Yeah, that one time I walked into a FART camp... never again
Hello. I love to hear you videos because I love the information that you give and your reports. But, I’m from Colombia and I have to tell you guys that in these video you have some fake information.
1. “Abortion is not legal in Colombia” abortion ITS LEGAL in Colombia, you’re available to have an abortion in Colombia until your 24 week.
I have no doubt they will all be happier here.
9:04 correction
The Constitutional Court in Colombia decriminalizes abortion until the 24th week of gestation so still legal :)
El video es del 2016, para esa época sí era ilegal jeje
She, as an American interviewer, cannot comprehend what they just said. The follow up questions and the dialogue from the interviewer sounded so disconnected. And not everything translated in their own subtitles was translated correctly. So sad that those who don’t know Spanish won’t know this story was painted poorly. Vice needs to hire more Latino American people to do these stories not a “yo-no-sabo” white lady. [I’m fluently bilingual in Spanish and English]
Hahahaha
De-legitimizing the enormous, uncountable number of Spanish-speaking native North-Americans, and the various cultures planted here simply because of her.. skin color(?)/Western-ness(?), is ironically the most regressive and backward thing you could have done here. Bravo!
Now if you're talking about her/Vice's perspective that's one thing, but to chalk it down to base racism or nationalism, or to mock someone with a different dialect as a linguistic elitist with your no sé/no sabo reference, marks you as ignorant, and again, very ironically, representative of the good old fashioned toxicity in classical machismo culture, that is prevalent in most Latino cultures.
If you would have actually experienced any of the various cultures that have become ingrained in North American culture, you'd realize how ridiculous you sound. Spanish (mostly Mexican-based), is the second-most spoke language here. 47 million, or 17%, of the population is Hispanic. While it's absolutely true that there are clueless, conventionally "white" Americans that just aren't with the program, America isn't a single color or ethnicity or background, and to label "American" as exclusively "yo no sabo", utterly de-legitimizes the citizenship and shared identity of the rest of the nation, who have fought hard as hell to be recognized as equals here.
Triply-ironic given your stance, is the fact that your location is listed as CANADIAN.
Indigenous? Quebecois? If not, an ignorant person could use your same argument against you.
No system is perfect, but an all female army would be more ideal. And if someone wants to leave let them.
The fact that they actually council these women to re intergrade into society by wearing heals and girly close, just proves nothing has changed for women.
Great reporting and my heart goes out to these soldiers
Is this where caviera from R6 came from?
No she is from Brazil
BOPE are brutal af to aswell
Wish this was longer😢
Hmm i have heard that before
Thats what she said...sorry cant help it
Far cry 6 irl??
I don't care what people say about che-guvara. Dudes like the bloody Buddha when it comes equality.
Men, women, rich, poor, etc.
Im Colombian and I completely disagree with vice trying to show Colombian society as oppressive to women, if most women have children it’s because they choose to, second most Colombian women work and live a free life.
Being a Man of Culture I approve this message
Isn’t this old?
They said 2015 was when they went to the camp. Then they talked about reintegration “a couple years after”. So 2018 since reintegration started in 2016.
Almost 10-years-old.
Make them fighters and then call them terrorists. To me they are heroines.