Thanks for the pin my broskis. I've been itching to ask you to put some time into explaining how chassis rigidity is calculated. I always hear numbers like "23%" stiffer (example), but have a hard time imagining how that's calculated. Do manufacturers have jigs that measure torsional resistance of car chassis? That would make a nice subject for a technical episode.
@@marekd.7350 Check the "stiffness" wikipedia article for the formulas of torsional/rotational/shear rigidity. Although it's not a complete answer as I'd assume those formulas would only work for a single beam of a chassis. On another note, I feel like it turned into another marketing catchphrase simply because of the fact that the average joe/jane doesn't even know what the term means or why you'd want a stiffer body structure and how it affects the overall driving experience.
First reviewer to mention the override for the crystal shifter. That thing had me nervous contemplating what to do if it failed. Glad to hear Genesis thought about that.
Don’t worry it’s hot topic in Korea as we had many accidents with sticking accelerator and some with dash cam video of proof but Hyundai denied all of it.
@@joem4869 it’s been going on for years. First was genesis models catching fire middle of drive which was also overlooked by Hyundai. Electric models like ion has been catching fire while charging and it happened so much that some charging stations in Korea banned them from using the station. Everything I said is well documented online and on UA-cam as video evidence but of course no recalls or change has been made.
I'm impressed that you mention the positives as well as the negatives. Most other reviews only talk about positives and gloss over negatives for fear of sponsor backlash.
Some laws cannot be broken. This is the same reason why good journalism needs to be independent. (And not merely self-labeling, but you gotta check for proof.) SG can do the reviews in their style because they don't run after corporate carrots on sticks.
@@louiearmstrong It doesn't qualify for the $7.5k credit. That and no chance I'm ever getting a first gen GM product. I'd consider it 4th gen or after.
Savage is the perfect description of these two laughing like maniacs after a near crash experience, and doing it again a few minutes after 🤣. Also, Mark had no intention to really let Jack go through the luxury part of the car, he just wanted him to talk and shut him up by trying to kill him on the turn. What a duo 👏👏.
Best honest technical review on UA-cam. I own a GV-60 for a week now. A real everyday delight. I have previously owned, BMW, AUDI, MERCEDES, PORSCHE and so far, the GENESIS is my favorite. All those guys said is true. Not a sports car, a bit scary in tight turns at speed. Definitely not a Macan. But this is not why I bought it. I don’t drive those tight turns. I am just happy to be in front of everyone in a straight line when needed, highway, red lights. The tech is out of this world, the ride smooth and peaceful. The sound system great when you tune it to your test properly. So for my taste and needs I give it a 9 out of 10. Know what you want and need. If your looking for a sports car and have the budget, go with the Taycan or wait for the electric Macan. Electric Macan should be a real delight. But at Porsche, options, service, all very expensive. GV-60 comes fully loaded. No options to pay. Super extensive 5 years warranty. I am happy !
Very well said , I have a GV 60 love the car hard to find any fault with it its on parr with BMW, Audi , Mercedes and i think its snapping at the heals of the Taycan I have 2 friends with Taycan's they love them great car but the price is just too much for me.
It’s been 8 months of driving now. Still loving it. So many things to love about it. I learned to drive it around tight curves and it’s much better than I thought in the beginning. This reviewer is totally off track regarding the facial recognition. It works 100%. No need to bend down at all like he acts in this video and it recognized you with sunglasses, with a hat, when it’s raining. And it is not a gimmick. Although I don’t need to use it everyday, I use it often enough to really appreciate it when I need it. The crystal sphere is also not a gimmick. On a review like this one, many items you cannot appreciate. Only daily use for while makes you appreciate many of the features in this car. I also disagree with his review of the sound system. Fiddling a little bit with the available tuning available, you will make it sound astounding. Especially that this cabin is so quiet. I have much more to say about this car but that’s it for today !
This might be one of your best reviews yet. I have literally no interest in buying one of these but your review is so thorough, interesting, and funny. I always hit the like button before I watch because you two never disappoint.
Mark, you're out of the loop. That removable cap on the passenger door actually exposes a glans scanner to be used as backup if the other biometric devices malfunction. It's capable of registering up to four phalli at multiple levels of tumescence.
I love you guys. Highly entertaining, and you are cognizant of that. You come from a performance point of view, and acknowledge that fact, and set performance aside when appropriate. You appropriately apply measures of a vehicle to judge it, which many automotive journalists are not good at. So many will complain about performance, like they are comparing an SUV road handling to a sports car, when you should not do that. Mention it, then understand what the tool is for, and weight your score as needed. Great job. And the car is nice too
I will say. Every other reviewer has made me feel just meh when it comes to the interior. After your interior segment and the full breakdown, I am now wanting to buy this vehicle for the scent diffuser option. Thank you guys
16:35 I think Jack is on point... this is not a 'sport car'. this is a 'premium car' that happens to be SUPER quick which makes you play it as a sport car.
I drove the Ionic 5, EV6 and GV60 (in that order). The GV60 Was my favorite because of the plethora of tech, the heated/cooled/massaging seats and the BOOST button making driving slightly more engaging. I personally ordered a 2023 Cadillac Lyriq AWD to replace my aging JEEP SRT gas guzzler. I needed a larger, more spacious EV as I am almost 6’7”
Genesis Canada included 5 years of maintenace free with the MSRP plus they will pick up your car from your home or office and leave you a loaner car to use until they return your car. This is the reasons why I want this car.
That's *the problem with all EVs* - they have to be *_"different"_* for no damn reason, just because it's an EV. This ridiculous mentality is behind all of them first gen EVs and I'm not interested in any until they take a step back to making it a normal car with EV drivetrain. Looking forward to your review of EV G80! Would like to test drive one and compare to our 2.5!
For Hyundai/Genesis 1st Gen, long range EV, it's a great job. They kept good range, price, and performance to hit as many metrics for most people as possible. Can't wait to see 2nd gen in a couple years when they've honed skills to tune the chassis and electronics. Should make it a lot smoother at 85%+. As well as improving range/charging that much more
First Tesla Model S had around 253 miles range at 100%...back in 2012-13 when Superchargers were few and far between. Now with the wider distribution of DC fast chargers even this GV60 can cope with road trips (as long as the chargers in place ARE actually WORKING.
Will color matching shirts be a thing from now on? If so, I request a Porsche 993 Turbo review in Raspberry Red Metallic. I know you already have the shirt 😉
I never thought an eco-friendly electric CUV would make Jack so scared for his life as if he were his 14 year old self when he got an A- in math class and was about to be beaten by his parents.
Sounds like it’s time to put a real charger in the shop! I’m just going to go out on a limb and guess that there aren’t going to be fewer EVs coming out in the future.
I recently compared the cost to purchase an Ioniq 5 limited v GV60 Advanced vs Tesla Model 3 LR. Each with premium paint , $19,000 down, a 6% tax rate and a 48mo 2.79% Credit union loan for the balance . Total cost Ioniq 5 = $66,632 GV60 = $66,378 Model 3 LR = $66,462 . I received my Model 3LR VIN shortly after I made those calculations and decided to postpone acting on the model 3LR. to me, luxury features are more important than the Model 3's superior engineering (and dismal fit and finish). I didn't include the all too frequent dealer mark up for the Ioniq 5 and GV60 which in my research in the PA/NJ area ran between 0 and $5,000. Note the total cost of a Mode/ 3 LR 36 mo 12K mile lease was almost $10,000 less than either the I5 or GV60. Now all I have to do is find a NJ GEnesis dealer that actually has a GV60 Advanced to take a test drive in.
The 2nd and 3rd gen EVs will prob be the tipping point for the general US public. You’re correct that right now, they’re selling to early adopters, which hopefully will generate interest.
I am in Europe and I would get the RWD spec'ed GV60 which has Range of 321 miles and it just helps with Range anxiety... although I don't see myself going on road trip in EV anytime soon ! ... probably the infrastructure in Europe is better than USA so it defenitly makes more sense in Europe.. I-Pace is a better handling car than any EV on market but as a luxury drive GV60 is so much better than any other especially in NVH sector. Also its perfect size for daily city driver
This doesn’t seem like it’s an EV first and car next like most ev’s do. It finally feels like a normal car with a different power train. This is how they will be integrated
All these EVs feel like they're designed to be dumped once the lease is up. Impressive when new, but it doesn't seem like a lot of this stuff will survive even medium-term ownership. Not that these automakers care; they expect consumers to swap cars like they do smartphones.
I'm actually banking on that. I buy 3-4 years old off lease for cash. Long-term reviews will tell the story for these new EVs. Will drive my V6 ice till then.
Luxury cars in general are like that. That being said they seem less complicated so it'd be good secondhand. And still offer stupid acceleration to 85mph.
That’s what I’ve been thinking. We’re literally in gen 1. Freaking Toyota just released their first one. Gen 2 starts in three years. I’m waiting until then, and leasing.
Maybe you should check the history on turn of the century 1900 when everyone put away their horses and bought cars within a generation as Ford mass produced at reasonable price and infrastructure followed. It was a great transition from horseback to combustion engines. Now we are transitioning again from combustion to electric. Everything will come along just as it did the first time. Time to get on board instead of pining for the past.
Thanks for the recommend. Still riding in a '09 Mazda6. Want something newer without paying an extra $10k for a bunch of gimmick electronics I'll never use.
The cheese is slipping off the perverbial cracker over in GooseSavage land...which was highly entertaining! It was great seeing Jack trying to hold the line while Mark is melting tires!! Enjoy the content as always, love it when we get to see you guys having fun.
You know, I realized on the roads you guys there's a ton of tire marks. I wonder where all those come from. People must be pretty crazy drivers out there
A good three can sound better than many fours. Not the engine for a luxury vehicle, but not that bad. We are getting threes in some mainstream vehicles and hardly anyone is noticing.
When you guys kept calling it the E-GIMP platform I thought it was a joke. I hope these cars come with a gimp suit made of sustainably sourced imitation leather.
While I hate every article that lists every EV as a “Tesla killer,” the reality is, we’re seeing a LOT of EVs now hitting the market backed by giant auto companies that understand build quality and other areas of car manufacturing. While Tesla will, probably, if Musk doesn’t screw it up (and he could), be around awhile, odds are they will not be a big player by 2030, especially as they keep rehashing the same designs and design language.
It's interesting you say that because if you go on EV enthusiasts sites, they are saying Tesla will be the number 1 company in the world by 2030 and BYD will be second. They think Tesla can sell 20 million cars world wide by 2020. They're saying that most Japanese companies will go bankrupt. They think that Tesla's tech will win out and that they have some magic capability to ramp up in the way that other oem's can not. I think the Y and 3 are looking stale. The Ioniq 6 sedan was just revealed and while it may disappoint those that wanted it to look like a concept car, it's more fresh and striking than anything Tesla makes IMO. I also think Tesla has styled itself into a hole. The Cybertruck is way different but it may just prove to be too different to get people out of their regular trucks.
Yeah, Tesla is being very slow about introducing models. They just refreshed the ancient Model S, which has had terrible sales for years. Luxury buyers want something fresher than that. Even the M3 and MY are not exactly cutting edge. There's nothing terribly wrong with the company style, but they need to be introing models regularly to keep up - and solve their poor fit and finish. At the prices they charge it's embarrassing how poor that is. Consumer Reports also thinks their reliability sucks. Musk loves to make promises his engineering staff can't keep without pushing out beta software that isn't safe.
EV’s just don’t fit many peoples lives. The charging networks are waaaaaaaay behind. Wake me up in a decade and maybe I'll be on board for a daily. But I'll still have a fun ice car or more.
@@markmiller3279 something i concider a daily means i travel with it. I can't even go to my in-laws and back with the best ones out there. Let alone take family road trips across country.
It looks great, I'm just not into Hyundai products due to their notorious service in the country I live in. Their dealership staff have actually beaten up their customers when they have had complaints. Not the corporations fault but unfortunately it's something we normal people will be faced with. I also would like to say, I wish manufacturers could put as much effort into their hatchbacks and compact sedans as these CUVs.
"With fuel costs rising EVs are a quick fix for the pricing issues." How are they a fix? They cost upwards of two to three times the equivalent ICE vehicles of the same size in a lot of cases. On top of range anxiety/charging issues to boot.
This vehicle was priced in the high $60's. That is certainly not two or three times the price of similarly sized gas powered vehicles at a similar luxury standpoint.
And how does this apply to a Genesis that's in the $50+k range? Loaded it's well under $70k. Now take off a $7500 tax credit. These are priced very competitively with other similarly sized luxury models.
the “boost” button makes me so annoyed, it’s a completely useless feature. If I want full power, there’s already an input method, it’s the accelerator pedal. The boost button is actually a barrier to accessing the full power of the car
I revisited this video after a few weeks of ownership of the Performance version of the car and fully agree with you guys. No one buying this will turn off traction control and we're just enjoying all aspects of the car performance and feature wise. Coming from a big boat Lexus, I'm really surprised at the comfort and quietness. Will see if I get to keep it as long as the other cars I've had.
It's clear that the Hyundai and Kia are over-achievers. But still, they were able to clearly differentiate each line with unique experiences. At least they got that down
I agree. I'd take the Ioniq5 for the great overall shape, though I find some of the details fussy. The EV6 is decent, took This is cleaner, but less interesting and with a bit less room. However, this interior is nicer. They did a good job on it.
A solid product from Genesis, albeit a little funky looking. I'm very excited to see what Genesis does with the Ioniq 6 platform, I essentially want this vehicle but a bit lower, normal looking, and pushing the upper end of what the E-GMP can do. Genesis could make something to rival the i4 M50 either at the same price and offering more, or being similar but costing below $70K, since the i4 M50 tops out around $75K. Fingers crossed!
I actually like the Ioniq 6 that just appeared at the LA Auto Show. Range is good and the interior is...nice. I would like a Genesis version of this myself. But I do like the higher seating position of the CUV format for better sight lines all around.
I agree- the single motor, RWD available in the UK and other markets is a luxurious (in the UK you’ll need to add virtually all the options) , hi-tech, reasonably sized SUV/cross over (only 4.515m long), good range 312miles (WLTP) with fast charging EV - and is a very compelling choice in the ever growing market. I chose it over the AWD EV6 and Ionic 5 for the luxurious interior (no gloss black interior faces - metal fascias instead and for the most part if it looks like metal it is!) The single motor RWD version is 0-62 mph in 7.8 seconds - on paper looks pedestrian but the instant torque means it’s responsive enough for everyday driving and a great road trip/long commute vehicle . All depends on what you are looking for in the UK at just shy of £60K fully loaded ( leather, suede, metal trim and switch gear and all the hi-tech the E-GMP platform affords ) you get a sense of getting your money’s worth. Some £40-60K cars simply “feel” cheap when you are sat in them. Hard Plastics and scruffy feeling synthetic materials! The choice available now in the EV market is great. Something for everyone!
Perhaps because it had so much MORE POWER than he was used to? Just guessing, but he seemed overly impressed with the initial straight line power. I liked my test drive and use of boost mode, but it didn't leave me laughing like the two here, as I am coming from 1020 hp in a Tesla Plaid.
They should also include a fake vibration or blip in the acceleration along with the noise to give you that real car feel, kind of like my PS5 controller gives me that vibration so I know the car shifts.
The front looked so good to me, and then I realized a front plate is mandatory where I live. And then the front became less good, but this is the case with all cars really.
Looks slick. More a fan of the G70 wagon or whatever it's called. Not even sure we're getting that one stateside and the euro one only get the turbo four. What a weird car world we live in.
The top spec Ioniq 5 is over $56,000 with the AWD and the GV60 has an MSRP of about $59,000 so maybe not such a big price difference. I’d still go for the Ioniq 5 as I really like the styling. There is a lot of gimmicky stuff going on with the EV’s, most of which I don’t like, but I am a fan of the orb on the GV60. I’m not a big fan of putting all the controls on a giant infotainment screen so I think Hyundai has gotten that part right. I’m happy to see the automobile industry get shook up and start innovating in a way I haven’t seen before. I don’t know if the electric cars will save the environment, but I’m sure the ICE cars won’t. So I’m hoping we end up in a better place.
_"I am a fan of the orb"_ -- serious question: why? It just seems superfluous and pointless to me. One more thing to break, with no benefit to balance that risk out. But I feel like if it's appealing to anyone, even if just a few people, I might be missing something. What positive does the orb bring to the car? What it adding to the driver experience that justifies the extra complexity? Please help me understand what I'm overlooking.
This review helps. GV60 performance version that will arrive later has better spec than Taycan for $40k lower. I hope they work on the design and dynamics to get this kink out. I wouldn't mind Genesis becomes cheap Porsche.
With the way folks in North America eat and drink in their vehicles, you can see how over time, enough crumbs and some spillage is going to get into that roating shifter ball that it's going to eventually get gummed up. I love the wheels. I love the lighter interior and the fact than you can a steering wheel in a color other than black.
it is bummer that the only model they are shipping around for review is the Performance model. If you get the Advanced model you're basically getting a better version of the Ioniq5 Limited for largely the same price.
Calling it now, this is going to become the Nissan Sentra replacement that flys down I-90 in the fast lane going 102 outside of Schaumburg because we just had to get to O'hare just *that* much faster.
Yeah I can't help but rather want the Ioniq5 instead. At least there will be plenty of different cars they can build on the E-GMP platform so more choice to come. Great driving segment, maybe left a bit of poop in the seat but enjoyable to watch the freak.
Thanks for the honest review, I'm supposed to get mine next week and the information you provided was way more than I got in the dealership or any other review on UA-cam, btw I wish they would price it here in Israel same as the US/Canada.. I just got mine for 105K USD 😕
I'm getting this just so I can store my fentanyl in the passanger door mirror adjustment cap.
fentanyl floyd would have appreciated it.
Thanks for the pin my broskis. I've been itching to ask you to put some time into explaining how chassis rigidity is calculated. I always hear numbers like "23%" stiffer (example), but have a hard time imagining how that's calculated. Do manufacturers have jigs that measure torsional resistance of car chassis? That would make a nice subject for a technical episode.
@@marekd.7350 Check the "stiffness" wikipedia article for the formulas of torsional/rotational/shear rigidity. Although it's not a complete answer as I'd assume those formulas would only work for a single beam of a chassis.
On another note, I feel like it turned into another marketing catchphrase simply because of the fact that the average joe/jane doesn't even know what the term means or why you'd want a stiffer body structure and how it affects the overall driving experience.
I googled stiffness and got in trouble at work
Valid
First reviewer to mention the override for the crystal shifter. That thing had me nervous contemplating what to do if it failed. Glad to hear Genesis thought about that.
Don’t worry it’s hot topic in Korea as we had many accidents with sticking accelerator and some with dash cam video of proof but Hyundai denied all of it.
Fun fact: 50% of engineering is figuring out how users could fuck up your product, and building ways to prevent/alleviate that.
@@kdavid123186 happened in america, was a young guy lol at the highway
@@joem4869 it’s been going on for years. First was genesis models catching fire middle of drive which was also overlooked by Hyundai. Electric models like ion has been catching fire while charging and it happened so much that some charging stations in Korea banned them from using the station. Everything I said is well documented online and on UA-cam as video evidence but of course no recalls or change has been made.
My guess If you read the owner’s manual it will be mentioned.
That slow motion near-death experience was one of the greatest things ever captured on film.
All the super cars they're driven, and an EV CUV is what comes the closest to killing them lol
Uuuuhhhh hoooohooohooohoooo
It was so genuine
Rewatching this video just for that segment.
@@Trio3224 it's always the quiet ones you least suspect.
I'm impressed that you mention the positives as well as the negatives. Most other reviews only talk about positives and gloss over negatives for fear of sponsor backlash.
Welcome to UA-cam lol
but for 60k, the Lyriq is the vehicle to get.
Some laws cannot be broken. This is the same reason why good journalism needs to be independent. (And not merely self-labeling, but you gotta check for proof.)
SG can do the reviews in their style because they don't run after corporate carrots on sticks.
@@louiearmstrong It doesn't qualify for the $7.5k credit. That and no chance I'm ever getting a first gen GM product. I'd consider it 4th gen or after.
This guy chooses to be negative on purpose in my opinion
Really appreciate how much time you spend on the interior - controls, cubbyholes, usability, etc.
Savage is the perfect description of these two laughing like maniacs after a near crash experience, and doing it again a few minutes after 🤣.
Also, Mark had no intention to really let Jack go through the luxury part of the car, he just wanted him to talk and shut him up by trying to kill him on the turn.
What a duo 👏👏.
Jack's inner Hank Hill came out at that moment. AHH
Best honest technical review on UA-cam. I own a GV-60 for a week now. A real everyday delight. I have previously owned, BMW, AUDI, MERCEDES, PORSCHE and so far, the GENESIS is my favorite. All those guys said is true. Not a sports car, a bit scary in tight turns at speed. Definitely not a Macan. But this is not why I bought it. I don’t drive those tight turns. I am just happy to be in front of everyone in a straight line when needed, highway, red lights. The tech is out of this world, the ride smooth and peaceful. The sound system great when you tune it to your test properly. So for my taste and needs I give it a 9 out of 10. Know what you want and need. If your looking for a sports car and have the budget, go with the Taycan or wait for the electric Macan. Electric Macan should be a real delight. But at Porsche, options, service, all very expensive. GV-60 comes fully loaded. No options to pay. Super extensive 5 years warranty. I am happy !
Very well said , I have a GV 60 love the car hard to find any fault with it its on parr with BMW, Audi , Mercedes and i think its snapping at the heals of the Taycan I have 2 friends with Taycan's they love them great car but the price is just too much for me.
Maybe driving with the software aids on will make a big difference?
It’s been 8 months of driving now. Still loving it. So many things to love about it. I learned to drive it around tight curves and it’s much better than I thought in the beginning. This reviewer is totally off track regarding the facial recognition. It works 100%. No need to bend down at all like he acts in this video and it recognized you with sunglasses, with a hat, when it’s raining. And it is not a gimmick. Although I don’t need to use it everyday, I use it often enough to really appreciate it when I need it. The crystal sphere is also not a gimmick. On a review like this one, many items you cannot appreciate. Only daily use for while makes you appreciate many of the features in this car. I also disagree with his review of the sound system. Fiddling a little bit with the available tuning available, you will make it sound astounding. Especially that this cabin is so quiet. I have much more to say about this car but that’s it for today !
They have probably had several software updates since the review.
The more I drive my GV60 the more I love it. Awesome car. 🎉
This might be one of your best reviews yet. I have literally no interest in buying one of these but your review is so thorough, interesting, and funny. I always hit the like button before I watch because you two never disappoint.
I agree. This video blew me away on so many levels. 👍👍👍
This video was a good example of how Id prefer to do most traditional videos. Glad it worked.
@@savagegeese so from now on you and Jack will try to kill each other from an heart attack on every video? 😅
Mark, you're out of the loop. That removable cap on the passenger door actually exposes a glans scanner to be used as backup if the other biometric devices malfunction. It's capable of registering up to four phalli at multiple levels of tumescence.
Hahahahahahahaha!
Too good sir. You made my day. Thanks.
Cheers!
So am I.
“G L A N S S C A N N E R”
Who wouldn't be "out of the loop though"? Sounds RIDICULUS to me.
haha
That slowed down “scene” was HILARIOUS!! Planes, Trains and Automobiles vibe!
I love you guys. Highly entertaining, and you are cognizant of that. You come from a performance point of view, and acknowledge that fact, and set performance aside when appropriate. You appropriately apply measures of a vehicle to judge it, which many automotive journalists are not good at. So many will complain about performance, like they are comparing an SUV road handling to a sports car, when you should not do that. Mention it, then understand what the tool is for, and weight your score as needed.
Great job. And the car is nice too
69 degree fahrenheit, nice touch. you guys are the best automotive journalists in existence
You spent a ton of time on the interior review, and that’s just my favorite thing. Thx.
'KERS / MGU-K (Obscure Reference)' Telltale signs of a quality video
Your usual comprehensive (and thoroughly honest) review. No one I’ve seen does as perceptive a driving review as you.
I will say. Every other reviewer has made me feel just meh when it comes to the interior.
After your interior segment and the full breakdown, I am now wanting to buy this vehicle for the scent diffuser option.
Thank you guys
16:35 I think Jack is on point... this is not a 'sport car'. this is a 'premium car' that happens to be SUPER quick which makes you play it as a sport car.
Yeah. It needs some N love to properly make it sporty.
Exactly, and to be fair to the gv60, it should be noted that they took off the traction control while skidding around
I drove the Ionic 5, EV6 and GV60 (in that order).
The GV60 Was my favorite because of the plethora of tech, the heated/cooled/massaging seats and the BOOST button making driving slightly more engaging.
I personally ordered a 2023 Cadillac Lyriq AWD to replace my aging JEEP SRT gas guzzler.
I needed a larger, more spacious EV as I am almost 6’7”
Hope you LOVE it!
how bout u wait for the Rivian SUV?? thats also spacious, but also, fast and off roady capable
Hahahah I don’t even care about this car but PLEASE keep up the awesome segments at 15:30. Love the sight of jack fearing for his life for 2 seconds!
Genesis Canada included 5 years of maintenace free with the MSRP plus they will pick up your car from your home or office and leave you a loaner car to use until they return your car. This is the reasons why I want this car.
Thanks for all the content guys, you are the best.
I like the role switch for this video with Mark being the gorilla melting the tires and Jack being the voice of reason.
That's *the problem with all EVs* - they have to be *_"different"_* for no damn reason, just because it's an EV. This ridiculous mentality is behind all of them first gen EVs and I'm not interested in any until they take a step back to making it a normal car with EV drivetrain.
Looking forward to your review of EV G80! Would like to test drive one and compare to our 2.5!
None of them are going backward. What you see now is as "normal" as they will get.
@@philhyde983 everything is mean reverting. Not the first time the cars went obnoxious, not the last.
F150 lightning not too bad
Ford F 150?
@@georgereginald6084 that's a truck, I'm talking cars for people w/o complexes...
For Hyundai/Genesis 1st Gen, long range EV, it's a great job. They kept good range, price, and performance to hit as many metrics for most people as possible. Can't wait to see 2nd gen in a couple years when they've honed skills to tune the chassis and electronics. Should make it a lot smoother at 85%+. As well as improving range/charging that much more
First Tesla Model S had around 253 miles range at 100%...back in 2012-13 when Superchargers were few and far between. Now with the wider distribution of DC fast chargers even this GV60 can cope with road trips (as long as the chargers in place ARE actually WORKING.
Will color matching shirts be a thing from now on? If so, I request a Porsche 993 Turbo review in Raspberry Red Metallic. I know you already have the shirt 😉
I will say, I think this thing looks cool as heck.
I never thought an eco-friendly electric CUV would make Jack so scared for his life as if he were his 14 year old self when he got an A- in math class and was about to be beaten by his parents.
batteries are eco friendly?
I am SO GLAD someone (finally) did an in-depth review of driving dynamics of an EV. Well done!
Mark's goofy mode makes the driving impressions even better lol
Great review I ended up buying the Ioniq 5 and love it didn't want to spend more money and my 300 mile range I barely have to charge it.
Love Bang and Olfsun audio and I feel like Genesis is doing big things! I'm not into electric cars but they have come a long way already.
Great channel. I was LMFAO for the slow mo part. Keep up the good work boys!
RIP to the tires
After seeing one in person a week ago they look pretty good! photos don't do it justice.
EV makers need to learn that straight line speed is not what is needed to create a luxury vehicle.
One of the greatest cars ever made.
Korea FTW!
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Excellent balanced review, thanks for your insights
i am loving this car and like it as am old and its higher than others on that platform ,
which is easy to get in and out of .........
Sounds like it’s time to put a real charger in the shop! I’m just going to go out on a limb and guess that there aren’t going to be fewer EVs coming out in the future.
I recently compared the cost to purchase an Ioniq 5 limited v GV60 Advanced vs Tesla Model 3 LR. Each with premium paint , $19,000 down, a 6% tax rate and a 48mo 2.79% Credit union loan for the balance . Total cost Ioniq 5 = $66,632 GV60 = $66,378 Model 3 LR = $66,462 . I received my Model 3LR VIN shortly after I made those calculations and decided to postpone acting on the model 3LR. to me, luxury features are more important than the Model 3's superior engineering (and dismal fit and finish). I didn't include the all too frequent dealer mark up for the Ioniq 5 and GV60 which in my research in the PA/NJ area ran between 0 and $5,000.
Note the total cost of a Mode/ 3 LR 36 mo 12K mile lease was almost $10,000 less than either the I5 or GV60.
Now all I have to do is find a NJ GEnesis dealer that actually has a GV60 Advanced to take a test drive in.
Almost did a spit take when he pronounced "E-GMP" lol.
I smiled. He knew what he was doing
The 2nd and 3rd gen EVs will prob be the tipping point for the general US public. You’re correct that right now, they’re selling to early adopters, which hopefully will generate interest.
15:10 look of sheer terror in Jack's eyes!
Mark getting Jack to "Ahhhh!" is the best thing I've seen all week, thx guys
I am in Europe and I would get the RWD spec'ed GV60 which has Range of 321 miles and it just helps with Range anxiety... although I don't see myself going on road trip in EV anytime soon ! ... probably the infrastructure in Europe is better than USA so it defenitly makes more sense in Europe.. I-Pace is a better handling car than any EV on market but as a luxury drive GV60 is so much better than any other especially in NVH sector. Also its perfect size for daily city driver
This doesn’t seem like it’s an EV first and car next like most ev’s do. It finally feels like a normal car with a different power train. This is how they will be integrated
All these EVs feel like they're designed to be dumped once the lease is up. Impressive when new, but it doesn't seem like a lot of this stuff will survive even medium-term ownership. Not that these automakers care; they expect consumers to swap cars like they do smartphones.
I'm actually banking on that. I buy 3-4 years old off lease for cash. Long-term reviews will tell the story for these new EVs. Will drive my V6 ice till then.
Luxury cars in general are like that. That being said they seem less complicated so it'd be good secondhand. And still offer stupid acceleration to 85mph.
This is my new dream car. Genesis somehow telepathically read my deepest desire for a luxury electric Pontiac Aztec.
The way EV's are evolving, it's better to lease one. Call it unplanned (or planned) obsolescence.
That’s what I’ve been thinking. We’re literally in gen 1. Freaking Toyota just released their first one. Gen 2 starts in three years. I’m waiting until then, and leasing.
EVs since 2015 (3 sold) net cost $78k and net proceeds $74.5k. A lot cheaper than signing leases and I enjoyed the total freedom.
Maybe you should check the history on turn of the century 1900 when everyone put away their horses and bought cars within a generation as Ford mass produced at reasonable price and infrastructure followed. It was a great transition from horseback to combustion engines. Now we are transitioning again from combustion to electric. Everything will come along just as it did the first time. Time to get on board instead of pining for the past.
The amount of gimmicky electronics they’re beginning to add to vehicles makes me want to keep my very basic and very reliable 2017 Hyundai Elantra.
Thanks for the recommend. Still riding in a '09 Mazda6. Want something newer without paying an extra $10k for a bunch of gimmick electronics I'll never use.
It's all so useless, it's like admitting that they are out of ideas
@@kevinbailey3239 A newer base model Jetta is also great. I have a 2020 S with a manual.
@@Blox282 Yeah poverty spec VWs also have all the nice upgrades without gimmicks. I love mine.
It's a good car, Bront
Amazing the Hyundai Kia can launch 3 different and unique models within months. Very strong out of the gate.
All three are only second to Tesla but drive better and have better interiors.
Jack is just glad to upgrade from dying in a 4-banger to dying in an EV.
The cheese is slipping off the perverbial cracker over in GooseSavage land...which was highly entertaining! It was great seeing Jack trying to hold the line while Mark is melting tires!! Enjoy the content as always, love it when we get to see you guys having fun.
I honestly think there is too much focus on performance. I want an EV that rides like a GV80 or Lexus LS for long trips and daily driving.
I think the EV version of the GV80 comes out later this year.
@@davidlarson8258 Wait for 2023. After that, it will reveal the facelift, gv90, and genesis x of all vehicles.
@@davidlarson8258 Actually electrified GV80 is coming out next month in the US
You know, I realized on the roads you guys there's a ton of tire marks. I wonder where all those come from. People must be pretty crazy drivers out there
90% due to Mark.
Rattly 4 cylinders? 6 cylinders? You are missing out on all the luxury 3 cylinders we are being treated to in Europe.
not to mention the ultra-luxury Renault 1.3 liter inline 4 in the latest compact Mercedes Benz.
Pinnacle of Luxury 🙌
A good three can sound better than many fours. Not the engine for a luxury vehicle, but not that bad. We are getting threes in some mainstream vehicles and hardly anyone is noticing.
When you guys kept calling it the E-GIMP platform I thought it was a joke. I hope these cars come with a gimp suit made of sustainably sourced imitation leather.
This was a Mark masterclass!
Marksterclass!
The genuine terror on jacks face at 15:09
While I hate every article that lists every EV as a “Tesla killer,” the reality is, we’re seeing a LOT of EVs now hitting the market backed by giant auto companies that understand build quality and other areas of car manufacturing. While Tesla will, probably, if Musk doesn’t screw it up (and he could), be around awhile, odds are they will not be a big player by 2030, especially as they keep rehashing the same designs and design language.
It's interesting you say that because if you go on EV enthusiasts sites, they are saying Tesla will be the number 1 company in the world by 2030 and BYD will be second. They think Tesla can sell 20 million cars world wide by 2020. They're saying that most Japanese companies will go bankrupt. They think that Tesla's tech will win out and that they have some magic capability to ramp up in the way that other oem's can not.
I think the Y and 3 are looking stale. The Ioniq 6 sedan was just revealed and while it may disappoint those that wanted it to look like a concept car, it's more fresh and striking than anything Tesla makes IMO. I also think Tesla has styled itself into a hole. The Cybertruck is way different but it may just prove to be too different to get people out of their regular trucks.
Yeah, Tesla is being very slow about introducing models. They just refreshed the ancient Model S, which has had terrible sales for years. Luxury buyers want something fresher than that. Even the M3 and MY are not exactly cutting edge. There's nothing terribly wrong with the company style, but they need to be introing models regularly to keep up - and solve their poor fit and finish. At the prices they charge it's embarrassing how poor that is. Consumer Reports also thinks their reliability sucks. Musk loves to make promises his engineering staff can't keep without pushing out beta software that isn't safe.
I ran out of videos to watch on yt so I decided to watch this gv60 video
fantastic review, thank you.
That slo-mo near accident was like the Planes, Trains and Automobiles movie when John Candy turns into the devil and starts laughing real slow.
How this channel doesn’t have 1 million+ subs is a head scratcher…
Built on the E GIMP platform you say?
EV’s just don’t fit many peoples lives. The charging networks are waaaaaaaay behind. Wake me up in a decade and maybe I'll be on board for a daily. But I'll still have a fun ice car or more.
For a daily, you probably charge at home, so it doesn't matter how bad the charging network is.
@@markmiller3279 something i concider a daily means i travel with it. I can't even go to my in-laws and back with the best ones out there. Let alone take family road trips across country.
Love all the acceleration scenes w/o traction & stability control. LoL
What's it like with the nannies on?? Much slower & less drama?
It looks great, I'm just not into Hyundai products due to their notorious service in the country I live in. Their dealership staff have actually beaten up their customers when they have had complaints. Not the corporations fault but unfortunately it's something we normal people will be faced with. I also would like to say, I wish manufacturers could put as much effort into their hatchbacks and compact sedans as these CUVs.
Your comment has no weight cos you didn't say which country you live in.
Do you live in Iraq by chance?
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“Sustainable.”
One of the most fraudulent words ever coined.
Right up there with “iconic.”
"With fuel costs rising EVs are a quick fix for the pricing issues." How are they a fix? They cost upwards of two to three times the equivalent ICE vehicles of the same size in a lot of cases.
On top of range anxiety/charging issues to boot.
This vehicle was priced in the high $60's.
That is certainly not two or three times the price of similarly sized gas powered vehicles at a similar luxury standpoint.
They are not quick fix for anything, that is obvious. That was a joke I would say.
And how does this apply to a Genesis that's in the $50+k range? Loaded it's well under $70k. Now take off a $7500 tax credit. These are priced very competitively with other similarly sized luxury models.
that moment when Jack realize's he wasn't going to die and started laughing.... Pure bliss LoL
What a time to be alive
the “boost” button makes me so annoyed, it’s a completely useless feature. If I want full power, there’s already an input method, it’s the accelerator pedal. The boost button is actually a barrier to accessing the full power of the car
I love when you guys try to scare the hell out of each other. First one to get the other one to barf on camera wins a beer from me.
Cool car, and feels like this would be a natural choice for someone coming from a Lexus RX and looking for their first EV.
You gotta be Frak'n kidding............Lexus is a FAR better car!
@@donaldbanner2185 The RX is not that great. Reliable, yes, but pretty indifferent overall.
@@donaldbanner2185 it's not
I revisited this video after a few weeks of ownership of the Performance version of the car and fully agree with you guys. No one buying this will turn off traction control and we're just enjoying all aspects of the car performance and feature wise. Coming from a big boat Lexus, I'm really surprised at the comfort and quietness. Will see if I get to keep it as long as the other cars I've had.
Designwise the ioniq 5 and ev6 are way better imo but interior is pretty good
It's clear that the Hyundai and Kia are over-achievers. But still, they were able to clearly differentiate each line with unique experiences. At least they got that down
I agree. I'd take the Ioniq5 for the great overall shape, though I find some of the details fussy. The EV6 is decent, took This is cleaner, but less interesting and with a bit less room. However, this interior is nicer. They did a good job on it.
@@deansmits006 Yes the differnces between the three are quite alot! so i find that quite nice
A solid product from Genesis, albeit a little funky looking. I'm very excited to see what Genesis does with the Ioniq 6 platform, I essentially want this vehicle but a bit lower, normal looking, and pushing the upper end of what the E-GMP can do. Genesis could make something to rival the i4 M50 either at the same price and offering more, or being similar but costing below $70K, since the i4 M50 tops out around $75K. Fingers crossed!
I actually like the Ioniq 6 that just appeared at the LA Auto Show. Range is good and the interior is...nice. I would like a Genesis version of this myself. But I do like the higher seating position of the CUV format for better sight lines all around.
Honest as usual.....and fun. Thanks lads. 👍😁
The sweet spot would seem to be the single motor, all the features and luxury without the madness.
I agree- the single motor, RWD available in the UK and other markets is a luxurious (in the UK you’ll need to add virtually all the options) , hi-tech, reasonably sized SUV/cross over (only 4.515m long), good range 312miles (WLTP) with fast charging EV - and is a very compelling choice in the ever growing market. I chose it over the AWD EV6 and Ionic 5 for the luxurious interior (no gloss black interior faces - metal fascias instead and for the most part if it looks like metal it is!)
The single motor RWD version is 0-62 mph in 7.8 seconds - on paper looks pedestrian but the instant torque means it’s responsive enough for everyday driving and a great road trip/long commute vehicle .
All depends on what you are looking for in the UK at just shy of £60K fully loaded ( leather, suede, metal trim and switch gear and all the hi-tech the E-GMP platform affords ) you get a sense of getting your money’s worth.
Some £40-60K cars simply “feel” cheap when you are sat in them. Hard Plastics and scruffy feeling synthetic materials!
The choice available now in the EV market is great. Something for everyone!
Love the content guys, don't ever change based on what other people do, you do you, keep up the good work!
We need more of these fun reviews!!!
The near crash segment was GOLD. It's hilarious that of all the cars they've reviewed, Mark felt the nearest to crashing in this one.
Perhaps because it had so much MORE POWER than he was used to? Just guessing, but he seemed overly impressed with the initial straight line power. I liked my test drive and use of boost mode, but it didn't leave me laughing like the two here, as I am coming from 1020 hp in a Tesla Plaid.
Plz do more slo-mo reactions of terminal understeer.
Thanks. K luv U bye.
They should also include a fake vibration or blip in the acceleration along with the noise to give you that real car feel, kind of like my PS5 controller gives me that vibration so I know the car shifts.
The front looked so good to me, and then I realized a front plate is mandatory where I live. And then the front became less good, but this is the case with all cars really.
I also think the looks would have benefited by having the conventional genesis suv rear roofline. I hate these suv "coupes"
Looks slick. More a fan of the G70 wagon or whatever it's called. Not even sure we're getting that one stateside and the euro one only get the turbo four. What a weird car world we live in.
Solid review, dependable and trustworthy commentary.
Those aluminum arms are beautiful...
The top spec Ioniq 5 is over $56,000 with the AWD and the GV60 has an MSRP of about $59,000 so maybe not such a big price difference. I’d still go for the Ioniq 5 as I really like the styling. There is a lot of gimmicky stuff going on with the EV’s, most of which I don’t like, but I am a fan of the orb on the GV60. I’m not a big fan of putting all the controls on a giant infotainment screen so I think Hyundai has gotten that part right. I’m happy to see the automobile industry get shook up and start innovating in a way I haven’t seen before. I don’t know if the electric cars will save the environment, but I’m sure the ICE cars won’t. So I’m hoping we end up in a better place.
_"I am a fan of the orb"_ -- serious question: why?
It just seems superfluous and pointless to me. One more thing to break, with no benefit to balance that risk out. But I feel like if it's appealing to anyone, even if just a few people, I might be missing something.
What positive does the orb bring to the car? What it adding to the driver experience that justifies the extra complexity? Please help me understand what I'm overlooking.
Well done and honest assessment of positives and negatives. (Note: I am migrating from a Tesla Model S....Plaid. I want that soft luxury feel NOW.
This review helps. GV60 performance version that will arrive later has better spec than Taycan for $40k lower. I hope they work on the design and dynamics to get this kink out. I wouldn't mind Genesis becomes cheap Porsche.
With the way folks in North America eat and drink in their vehicles, you can see how over time, enough crumbs and some spillage is going to get into that roating shifter ball that it's going to eventually get gummed up. I love the wheels. I love the lighter interior and the fact than you can a steering wheel in a color other than black.
it is bummer that the only model they are shipping around for review is the Performance model. If you get the Advanced model you're basically getting a better version of the Ioniq5 Limited for largely the same price.
I’m not sure why I choose to tune in? Channel doesn’t feature cars anymore.
Calling it now, this is going to become the Nissan Sentra replacement that flys down I-90 in the fast lane going 102 outside of Schaumburg because we just had to get to O'hare just *that* much faster.
Lol good luck with that prediction …comparing this to a Sentra 😂
With one headlight out and swerving in and out of the HOV lane 😂
@@moloono1 😂😂
@@DriverJ-N especially with a SR V Spec
Yeah I can't help but rather want the Ioniq5 instead. At least there will be plenty of different cars they can build on the E-GMP platform so more choice to come.
Great driving segment, maybe left a bit of poop in the seat but enjoyable to watch the freak.
Thanks for the honest review, I'm supposed to get mine next week and the information you provided was way more than I got in the dealership or any other review on UA-cam, btw I wish they would price it here in Israel same as the US/Canada.. I just got mine for 105K USD 😕
You guys have plenty of money youre fine
Lots of US dealers are gouging with big markups; I have mine on order at MSRP with nothing to be added by the dealer.