100%. I thankfully have a stand alone Genesis dealer within 15min of me so it wasn't a concern when I bought my G70. But that is the only good Genesis dealer I have been to, all the rest are sleazy and and very very Kia.
@@aceofspades6667I have one planned to open but I'm moving out of the brand because of all the disgusting experience I've had. Besides, this would be the same dealer/staff, so they can go F themselves.
Mark is right. I've bought 3 products from Hyundai / Kia; and while I love the cars, the dealer buying experience is irritating. Basically you can still get a good deal at the end of the day, but it takes more work and tolerance. You have to play the dealerships against each other and stay at it. The brand really has to punish dealers that get negative reviews from customers.
@@rosgoncharuk2403 As a former Hyundai owner, you're not wrong. BUT this issue isn't exclusive to Hyundai. I've read plenty of complaints made by owners of cars of other brands who say similar things, including Honda and Toyota. Remember, dealerships are independently franchised.
I used to dismiss the dealer experience part untill I had to deal with Hyundai Genesis service at least 4 times a year for maintenance and warranty issues. This IS actually a huge part and DO NOT pass on that, even if you like the car so much. Once the car is broken - it's those morons you'll have to deal with, numerous times!
@@bradhaines3142 doesn't matter. You have an issue with the car under warranty - you have to deal with garbage service. The only thing warranty helps you is the cost, but it doesn't prevent the headache of dealing with idiots and careless staff that just gets their hour in. Like Mark was saying about XC90 - what's the point of warranty when the car sits at the dealer for repairs more than it is actually driven? Now add a bad service and it doesn't matter how good the car is. When I was cleaning my car at dealer lot after the hail, there was another owner that came in to check his totalled car that was in repairs. Same g80, but top trim. He said that before this, he had the car back for a week. Previous it was at dealer for two months because they were replacing the sunroof and damaged other stuff they had to wait for. Here's the warranty for ya!
@@rosgoncharuk2403 thats a different issue, thats reliability. if warranty is the problem, once its over you dont have to go there anymore. if the car is a pile of shit, its going to be a pile of shit anywhere
@@bradhaines3142 yep, that's the point. There are so many components & software glitches in cars now that "reliable" becomes more relative. I realized that warranty is just another marketing bait. If the car is reliable - you don't need one, but then why would you buy it new and pay for the warranty you don't need? If the car is not reliable you shouldn't buy it at all, regardless of what warranty BS is attached to it.
I have the Advanced eGV70. It's what I wanted in a commuter. Quiet, fast, comfortable. No gas. Looks great. Carries kids and groceries but not too big. I don't care about range, I just commute to work. I'm not driving this at the limit. It understeers too much, too tall and heavy. I have an S2000 for my fun car. I agree, lease instead of buy. I've not had any issues with the dealership but it's still early.
@@kinglumpy6145the Advanced isn't $75k. Regardless, why not get something nice and comfortable if you can afford it? I've paid my dues. Now it's time to not feel exhausted and irritable when I get to work or get home. This thing is also a total sleeper and can embarrass more expensive muscle cars and sports cars in a straight line.
@@kinglumpy6145 exactly like a luxury powerful ICE suv would be except this has a way lower total emissions over its life and costs pennies to drive with an overnight tariff. At least have a think before making asinine remarks.
Very nice car im sure, but disposable. Specially with Hyundai/Kias track record, worked as a tech there for 3 years. Also EV batteries lifespan of 10-20 years will total out these EV's from repair cost, or replacing and doubling emissions from production and sourcing materials like Lithium. People will harp on zero tailpipe emissions while charging from coal electric plants, out of sight out of mind. IMO hybrids are the most environmentally friendly new cars you can buy.
So, so right about the luxury vs price point. But i just had my 2023 GV-70 repurchased under lemon law due to transfer case issues. If the dealer experience wasn't horrific, I might have had more patience to let them sort it. I've been to 5 dealers within 70 miles and each was just as slimey as last. Shame as they have such potential.
I appreciate the video, as it was well done as usual. But I also appreciated what you mentioned about the dealership experience. I am in Florida and I can attest to being jerked around and being shown an astronomical market adjustment add on of thousands which, I was told, was not negotiable. The adjacent maintenance facility was overloaded and a mess, and the regular Hyundai and Genesis vehicles were all being sold off the same showroom. They also were offering a laughable trade in on my car, and running from me to talk to the Genesis shoppers (I was looking at the Palisade). I left there and went to Lexus, where the dealership experience is second to none. There were no markups, the price for my trade in was fair (not generous, but fair), and the car value is bulletproof (RX 450hl). I will not step foot in another Hyundai or Kia dealership, especially with how poorly those vehicles resell and hold up. By the way, the value of a Hyundai really gets washed away when they are jacking on a $7500 markup over MSRP.
Hey guys. The thing is, no one is buying an SUV to drive 9 or 10 tenths. I own a GV70 ice. One of the absolute best cars I have ever had. And I am more than happy to pay $25K less for 90% of a BMW. Not sure I personally am ready for any full EV yet ( petrol head to the end) but honestly for 99% of buyers no one will have a clue. Love the videos and the honesty. Keep it up. Merry Christmas and happy New Year.
Their dealers are among the worst. A couple of years ago I went to check the kia telluride and hyundai palisade. Both gave me attitude when I asked if I could see the vehicle first. This was around the end of 2020 so vehicles were still relatively cheap. They didn't want to sell me the car as they advertised $5k off + 3% interest. They said I had to choose 1 either the 5k off or 3%. But boy would you ever expect a 18% interest rate. I walked out and went to toyota and got 3.8% for xse highlander. Never again I would ever step foot in those dealership nor recommending that brand.
@@carltonr.7404 Because the charger handle plus cable sticks out a foot from the car. It’s not an issue on the side but on the front or rear, you are effectively making your car a foot longer if you want to plug it in at home. Modern cars are already really big for older homes and this makes it much worse.
I also couldn't park this in my garage and charge it. Some garages are shorter like in townhouses or condos. I have storage units in the garage that utilize every inch, pushing the vehicle right to the door.
Front grill eliminates any possibility that you’re blocked from charging at a public charger. Lots of them have short cables. This eliminates that as a possibility.
In regards to bad dealership/brand experience there have been two separate cases of Ioniq 5 models here in Canada where the dealerships have quoted over $55k for a 77kw/hr battery replacement put on the owner. They’ve claimed the battery protector panel under the car has been damaged and the battery must be replaced and not covered by warranty. Absolutely nobody in their right mind is going to buy these under those circumstances.
If they drove over road debris the replacement can be covered under insurance. That's an accident. I've seen a lot of cars totalled out by hitting curbs, rocks or things that fell off a truck. It's not the manufacturers fault when you hit something. That's what insurance is for.
This just shows a lack of knowledge and willingness to repair something that can be repaired. To be this sounds more like a broken dealer market then a problem with the cars themselves. Strangely I haven't heard of cases like this here in Europe especially Norway where the amount of EVs is way higher. And as a last point I have to say that a lot of dealers and people working there just don't care for EVs and the new products they have to sell. I went to my VW partner and a sales person started telling me that he hopes to be able to stop working before having to deal with EVs. It's also a question if how much they want to help you and want to learn.
@Harumph538 two dealers on opposite sides of the country with the exact same price? Another dealer even posted the part with the same price. The issue isn't that the battery is expensive. It's that the part costs more than the new car does.
I mostly agree with your review, and things you've pointed out about the Genesis vehicles. Only thing i can't agree about is all the "handling " nonsense. No one is buying a Luxury Branded Genesis to Turn Off all the electronic stability controls, and horse the vehicle around roads like race car drivers. Even mentioning this is strange. Did you have to dig that hard to find something you could pick on? For the driving purests, the suspention and feel you described is exactly what they want, to feel the road, to hear the tires in corners. The car didnt get weard, spin out, fishtail, or anything unusual for someone TRYING to drive past the limits of a car just to prove a point. Seriously... Having owned four Hyundai vehicals, of different types, i wouldn't hesitate to buy a Genesis. The only good point you make, and others have commented on here is the dealership experience. They Suck ! 98% of them , maybe more ! If i had the option to appoint a vehicle the way i wanted via the internet, directly from Hyundai or Genesis i would ! The sales experience is like a 1970s used car lot run by pawn brokers, in dire financial need, with the staff using every old line, and trick, including tacking on thousands for dealer add ons you don't want, and telling you they are mandatory and cant be removed, like they can't take a $35 first aid kit out, or $110 rubber car matt, or $350 roof cross rails ect... Then to, the dealership service is to be avoided at all cost! Even warranty work becomes a never ending runaround for simple things! Their "mechanic staff" are ASE certified dopes straight out of failing school, and have no idea how to service, fix or care for a $50k to $70k vehicle! Hyundai corporation needs to d-certify these dealerships and start over with a new model, and staffs !
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we have a '22 gv70 and the service experience is a huge factor for getting rid of it. in socal no loaners, but they'll pay for a rental, but you the customer have to make the reservation, pay for the reservation, and arrange for reimbursement from genesis....yeah no thanks. so far its a good car, too bad the experience is so poor
The genesis gv70 ev great and beautiful, I have driven it in the Canadian winter at -40 degrees and it gives me a range of 380 kilometers, super and super powerful, definitely an excellent EV SUV option worth what it costs, I recommend it
I know it feels like a broken record but thank you for mentioning the dealership experience again. I have a good friend who has a 2018 Hyundai SUV and it consumes about a quart every 500 miles but instead of the dealership telling her that it obviously needs a replacement. They just keep telling her it’s normal she’s not trying to do a warranty claim she understands she’s past the time and mileage but the dealership just flat out won’t give her any solutions. I told her to just go to another Hyundai dealership with a nice cheap Prius and trade it in and let them deal with it if they’re gonna be assholes about it.
I am the guy he is talking about, the dealership experience with 2 separate Hyundai/Genesis dealerships, 4 total horrible experiences. I gave one dealerships 3 tries and each time was a different excuse…it’s too bad because the cars are great. Once they iron out the issues and make more stand alone Genesis dealerships hopefully it fixes it
But until then they will keep loosing what could've been a loyal customers. When you realize that Hyundai doesn't care about Genesis experience outside of Korea -- there's no point going back, even if it looks good and shiny. In my case, the new dealership will be done next summer, but it would be all the same staff that I'm sick of from Hyundai barn. Never ever again. Should've bought ES.
@@rosgoncharuk2403 I think about that too, in my case a whole new dealership with new staff is being made, I may go back when my wife wants a new car but if it hasn’t changed we won’t entertain that brand anymore
@@theday2learnalso, keep in mind that majority of details/parts/panels are made in Korea, so when I had to replace hood and trunk -- I had to wait for over a month to get them through the dealership I despise. There's no aftermarket or salvaged parts, you'll struggle to find anything NATIONWIDE. I heard about that two years ago and dismissed it, like why would I need replacing body panels, right? And here I am, because of shit rear diff noise and garbage cheap dealer. Just don't. Get your wife a Lexus or Porsche - she will appreciate the experience and facilities more.
I watched another You Tube channel. They stated it cost 60K Canadian dollars to replace a battery pack on an Hyundai EV! It cost more to replace the battery than buying the entire car! Lease not buy if someone wants an EV because the tech is new and ICE has been around more than a 100 years! Also insurance is more, repair cost is crazy sky high.
The dealership was not good. I bought a 2024 GV70 gas model. My first service they didn’t see I had pre scheduled around 1 month ahead. I had to find the message. They were supposed to give me a Genesis loaner. I ended up with Hyundai Santa Fe after arguing for 20 minutes. They forgot to put my tire air caps back on, which I didn’t notice until I left. I love the car! But dread the dealership. My Mercedes was opposite. The entire maintenance experience was always exceptional. Granted they normally threw in some additional charges though.
Fair review though went a bit far on the "disposable" point. No manufacturer would put a 10-year / 100K mile warranty on a battery if they assumed they would have to replace the pack at year 9. Yes, first gen Nissan Leafs were disposable, as were every "Compliance Car" EV made to around 2016. BMS and related technology has advanced a lot since then. Yeah, it's for sure a lease instead of a $75K buy But the math changes a lot at $40K when you'll be able to pick up a low-mileage year old used car. And the negative comments about Genesis service departments? This is an EV...no oil or fluid changes, with regen braking, you may never have to replace the pads, so exactly *what* service will this car need? Even Walmart can change a tire or a windshield wiper. This isn't a BMW M series track car, and it wasn't designed to be. Unless you're looking for attention, who really cares if you can't stomp on the accelerator without squealing the tires? So, I'll wait for my $40 GV70 electric and will gladly roll in quiet luxury.
@@pnouranithe BMW starts at 72k... I'm pretty sure to have to same options you'll be looking at well over 80k on the BMW. And let's be real, the straight line performance will be better in this then the BMW for sure. EVs are just better in the regard and don't have to mess with transmissions and gears and all wheel drive systems and so on
@@MichaelPanzer wow price went up from the 45e which did start at 65 last year. But I mean at 4.6 second it's more than fast enough. It's about handling at that point.
@@pnourani I think the video made clear that handling is just not the thing everybody, even at this price point, is necessarily worried about. Over here in Germany I see a lot of women driving all kinds of EVs and I'd bet they just enjoy the benefits of an electric drivetrain and don't care about the typical dude stuff about cars. So this would perfectly fit as the family car the wife drives in a good income household. Handling doesn't matter when you do your family chores.
I've heard and read nothing but bad things with Hyundai and Kia dealerships. As nice as their cars look, I can't justify owning one because of the dealer network. We just bought our third Acura in 11 years from the same salesman. Even if we didn't get the greatest deal because I'm not the best negotiator, we didn't care too much. The experience was pleasant and the service department has been good (we had one bad experience with our 2013 RDX years ago that Acura Corporate made right). Since then we've been treated well which resulted in the 2nd car (TSX SportWagon bought as a CPO) and now a 2024 RDX. All three are in our fleet. We may be biased toward Acura but we're happy with their products and hopefully will stay with them for more years to come.
If vehicles are built right, I don't see much of a need to use a dealership, especially for an EV, which require minimal maintenance, if any. If you're buying some POS that's always in the shop, why would you continue to buy from that brand?
There would a be Hyundai Santa Fe or even a gv80 in my house hold had mama bear not been through such a bad experience at a Hyundai dealer buying a car. Now with her experienceling a Audi dealer I don't think genesis or Hyundai will ever make her a conquest customer. That's despite her liking their products subjectively.
jack is focused on the wrong things. gv70e isnt trying to be a track car. sure, if it was touted as a canyon car and failed at it, sht on it all your want. This is like complaining about the rolls royce ev handling
Love what Genesis is doing. Picked up a used G70 3.3T AWD a few months ago and love it. Thankfully my dealership experience has been good so far. The car had a few things needing addressed and every one of them was covered under warranty. Couldn't believe it as my other vehicles would never have been covered under same circumstances. My only gripe is they never gave me a loaner, only Uber rides. Regardless, many others haven't been so lucky w/ dealers as I have. Fix that and they have legit alternatives to the Germans.
They talk alot here about how it still isn’t a viable competitor for a discerning customer. The driving dynamics are trash. But maybe it can compete against lexis which doesn’t sweat that stuff as much either
I wanted an EV6 but did not want to deal with the dealer so I got an ID4 instead. Hyundai has to take control of its sales experience. It's amazing they manage to sell cars at all with their awful dealer network
That’s why people still have a stigma on the brand and consider it trash n cheap. Buyers can try to justify but the perception all around is they’re a value n knock off brand. Copying Bentley design isn’t cool, it’s as sad as those Chrysler 300s trying to look like Rolls Royce
They can improve the car all they want but I’m not buying it until their dealers are Lexus level. Lexus gets away with aging and last gen tech primarily because of that experience n reliability. Ive been BMW for the last 8 years but they’re also better than hyundai. They upcharge on their msrp cars thinking that won’t hurt long term. They need to be the brand that discounts at the tightest times and they lost me. I was curious over n over but they are awful. I even lost my $100 deposit for an Ioniq for whatever reason and it didn’t even get me a priority when that was announced. Joke brand, bad customer service, bad dealerships. Never giving them a chance again. This was their time to strike n they didn’t follow through.
Me fast forwarding, wondering if SDR is a video format or à Hyundai trim level. Fun fact: Spécial Drawing Right (SDR) is the right to convert bullion to dollars or vice versa at à fixed price.
I ride my fathers GV70 and I would never expect the car to handle better. You really have to be a race car driver or something to think the car needs better handling. It is super fast, seems to handle well. It has loads of power but I'm only going to use it in straight lines. I floor the car all the time and never had issues with traction. If you are racing the car around turns, flooring it, stuff like that, maybe a different story but who is doing that?
Oh. BTW, not sure what is happening in the US but my dealer experience with Genesis in Quebec Canada is great. Zero complaints. Too bad they screwed up in the US.
While they made significant overall improvements so far from past years, Kia/Hyundai/Gensis still have a long way to go especially in long term serviceability for both the owners & technicians. The interior & exterior features are smoke & mirror and only skin deep like dangling a carrot while hiding so much flaws yet to be fixed. To make matters worse, they lack “Kaizen” philosophy that companies like Toyota embodies for “continuous improvement” where no owner complaint is too small.
thehill.com/homenews/4370741-toyota-recalls-1-million-vehicles-over-possible-airbag-failure/amp/ I wonder if their cheating on the safety features applies to the 改善(Kaizen) philosophy. Every automobile companies have their flaws. Even Toyota is not exception.
Best thing about an EV is that you can largely skip the dealership maintenance plan and not experience their BS after you get the car. I didnt do any dealership maintenance on my i3 and this thing is still trouble free at 80k miles. I did brakes/fluid, myself, and tires at costco.
11:00 Yep! Dealer experience matters. That is one of the reasons I've been sticking with Mazda lately. I get minimal bullshit, and feel they not only want my business, but also my return business.
If you test drive this GV70 electrified, you will almost think that this car is a best EV ever made in regular roads. Quiteness and the ride quality is almost at the level of cars with twice the price.. like Lexus LS.
Agree with the mixed experience at Genesis dealerships, considering most of them are still Genesis/Hyundai dealerships. FWIW in the SF bay area I've had good experiences at San Bruno, and mid to bad experiences at Dublin and Capitol. I actually leased my G80 all the way down in the Santa Monica dealership because they had the exact configuration I wanted, and they were pretty decent as well.
Hyundai is no longer going to allow Hyundai dealers to sell Genesis cars. They will all be standalone dealerships soon, and very few of them. Hyundai only wants 1-2 Genesis dealers per state
If anyone is ever considering a Hyundai EV yall should look into that Motormouth story where the the battery shield of a Ioniq 5 was damaged but it cost 60k Canadian to fix. More than the car was worth. These shields seem rather pointless. There is a lot more too it. But yall should look into if you really consider a Hyundai EV...heck probably all future EV buyers.
I looked into it. The guy ran over a muffler on the road. That's a big chunk of steel. The pricing is outrageous, but that's the dealer not wanting the job. Hyundai corp has stepped in to approve all battery replacement jobs now. They aren't happy with that quote considering the batteries themselves are like 15k. I've seen Audi RS, corvettes, all kinds of nice cars get totalled by hitting road debris. They can quickly rack up to catastrophic repair costs.
@@pierredelecto7069 - It happened multiple times at multiple dealerships across the country. Hyundai may have stepped in (I'd have to confirm that), but only because of the bad national publicity. It should only be a few hours labour to swap the battery, why the $60k quote to swap a $15k battery? Makes no sense. Dealers mark shit up, but not that much.
great content, as always, guys - Canadian here, My Genesis "Experience" has been absolutely stellar (bought my G70 new in 2019) , irrespective of what dealer I go to. Really don't understand how they can nail it up here and F it up down there
Honest review however I drive a 2012 Nissan Leaf just under 100 thousand miles miles. Never had a problem with the battery pack. If you are buying a Ev would not worry about the battery most manufacturers offer 8 year warranty. The car structure will collapse before the battery. 👍
This reminds me of the former industry I was in that came out with a very similar product but cost 2x more because of it’s perceived ease of use, when in reality it created new problems that had not yet been seen by the customer.
Reminds me of Dyson. Make something everyone else can make, charge twice as much, then make it so hard to repair you can't fix it. We went back to Bissel.
I bought a new Hyundai a year ago, and everything went pretty well. Definitely best to be well prepared when you enter the Finance Office and keep your wits about you!
I have one of these. Got it lightly used, fully loaded. '23 model. I share some of the concern about "Gen 1 EV", but feel that I got a pretty good deal. It was about 4K more than a Tesla Y. At that price, I think it was an exceptional deal.
I went to see this eGV70 while I was EV shopping a year back. In Canada this one comes in 1 flavor - a loaded Prestige trim that comes in an eye-watering $84k CAD price tag. Its middling range and high interest rates quickly drove me away, since the Volvo XC40 Recharge & Audi Q4 e-tron came in thousands less and offered pretty similar driving range.
Im an Audi guy (have had 7 in the last 10 years) and just replaced my wife's SQ5 with the GV70E. The Q4 is a warmed over ID4 and the interior quality proves this. Was also shopping the Q8 and the $30k price difference between that (Luxury tax applies) and the GV70 was too much. 9 months in and my wife loves it.
Are you guys going to give your take on those Hyundai Ioniq 5 owners had there cars written off because of damage to the under carriage where the battery sits. From what I understand they totaled the cars because of potential battery damage (one of them had a dent in the battery casing) through the shield and replacement batteries are more than cars worth (60k Canadian labor fees included). I wouldn’t touch a current Gen EV for these reasons.
I've never damaged the undercarriage of a car in 40 years of driving. If I do, insurance will take care of it. Sorry, for not seeing a problem here. Also, the OEMs will begin to offer remanufactured batteries in the near future. Crisis averted.
Thanks for the great review! I never heard about issues with Hyundai's dealers, but neither I nor my friends ever bought a car from them, so it's a reason. Good to know it for sure!
Genesis needs to adopt the Tesla sales model. I loved the experience when I got my 23 model Y. Salesman are not pushy whatsoever, they don’t care if you buy the car or not. Picking up the vehicle is so nice and smooth no garbage from dealerships
These guys are some of the best and definitely bring up some great points to consider. My dealer has been great no issues, but some of the other dealers in the city were pretty bad. My in-laws wanted a GV80 and their dealership experience was horrible.(Purchased a MDX Type-S instead) On average Hyundai and Genesis dealers seem to still be pretty poor. In terms of EV's, we all still seem to be early adopters/beta testers; with battery tech still evolving most EV's are in the same boat as 1st gen products. Definitely proceed with caution.
Did your test car have a weird fore/aft rocking motion as you pull to a halt (no matter how smoothly you do so)? I’ve had mine since April, your review is dead right - it gets squirrely under full throttle and the turning radius is oddly bad, but as a daily commuter it’s super soothing!
We had a bmw 740e that did the exact same thing and the dealer said it was normal. Would drive me insane. You have to modulate the brake right before you come to full stop to minimize it
Loved the video as always. I would just like to add that if you are close to DC, Genesis of Alexandria was a very fair dealership to deal with during the purchasing process and the service department has been constantly improving.
Jack's '70s throwback Gulf hoodie takes me back to my childhood sitting in the back of my dad's 1974 chev impala as he pulls into the gulf station to top it up with good ol' american leaded gas.
Having owned a Model Y for 2 months now, I notice the car is really heavy to drive even when compared to my previous car which was a Nissan Pathfinder. Also, as there's no coasting and with battery regen I found I had to maintain pressure on the accelerator pedal which causes strain and fatigue on the right leg. Do you feel the same with the Genesis?
Agreed with u. Am leasing this vehicle, bad dealership experience, cruiser experience is awesome.. maintenance serviceability from Genesis is good with Genesis Concierge
Glad you also mention the i5, are going to make a video? I was basically debating between BMW i5 and Genesis Electrified G80 and at the end it was 100% the dealership experience made me walk away from Genesis.😢
Wow, That was an excellent honest review. Very refreshing to see I mean where do you see reviewers on here admit their biases (allergic to the car). I find the styling of the Genesis GV 60-70-80 extremely satisfying, sleek and modern. I purchased a 2018 Bolt EV Primer for $30k and with discounts, tax breaks and trade-in (2015 Cherokee Trailhawk), it was out the door cost to me of $11,000k. (MSRP $44,680) and really was a great car (for what it was) for my needs, and I never had a single issue. GM did replace the battery, however I heard about the buyback so thought what the heck. I was able to get a 2022 Bolt EUV Launch Edition for the whopping sum of $350. Since I am so far flush with this I want to trade in and get something like the Genesis but this is stupid money they want. Looks like the EV market is crashing so I believe and hope by mid 2024 I can get a killer deal.
It is sad to see so many Genesis owners are complaining about their dealer experience in US. Cuz in Canada, Genesis only sold in MSRP as a Distributorship like Tesla and more and more Genesis Store is opening up with one-on-one services.
Sounds like a win for what the bulk of the target market are going to do with these vehicles. Bang for the buck was a big deal in the late 80s and into the 90s. Korea is focusing on bang for the buck and I’m grateful. Those who are looking for a daily vehicle with ten tenth’s capability and are willing to flush out 25% to 45% more cash have multiple options to choose from. I 100% agree that they try and cover up the dynamic deficiencies with software. While that’s helpful in emergency situations it’s not fun if you’re looking to intentionally put yourself out there in those sketchy circumstances. I’m thinking this will work for quite a few people if they’re not badge focused.
In 2020, I wanted to test drive a Telluride on I-35 in New Braunfels, Tx. The salesman told me I couldn’t take it for a ride because people want to buy new cars with low miles!! I was 64 years old at the time, I had my 2014 Ram Laramie. I went down the street and bought another Ram Laramie, sticker $67,666..
I drive a 2018 G80 Ultimate and I don't understand why this brand do not have wireless carplay. I hate wrapping my cable around the shifter. It just makes it looks so tacky. But to know that they still haven't implemented wireless carplay in the newer generation baffles me. Does it really cost extra for that technology to be built into those cars?
It's the Ultimate trim level. Their top trim infotainment units never get wireless carplay/android auto. I'm not sure if the 2018 got wireless anyway, but their lower trim ones do sometimes get it. It's a fight between the manufacturer and Apple/Google about navigation and who should "own" that space in the car.
It's a hyundai parent company thing.. they will fix it eventually but their sourcing/supply chain team negotiated a lower cost solution that did not have wireless car play capability.
Calling this a bad EV seems unfair. It seems to do all the EV things correct. Good efficiency, good power, and fast-charging. Assuming the powertrain won't have issues, this is more than good enough for most uses and will only get better as our charging infrastructure grows. The issue with the car becoming outdated is an issue with all EVs right now. The performance issue is, as mark pointed out, an issue with all the Hyundai/kia non-N products.
Just a thought about range - don’t rely the “guess-o-meter” that it gives you. Take the actual miles/KWh that you are getting, multiply by the size of the battery pack, and that’s your range. The guess-o-meter range estimate isn’t accurate - just a recommendation to keep that in mind going forward
How many recalls and warranty work does one typically need is the first few years of ownership because it seem like a TON. Never had that experience with my Toyota.
The problem isn't the car, the problem is the review. This isn't limited to SavageGeese. No One is buying a GV70 for an "engaging driving experience"... period. No One is going to turn off all the electronic nannies and Hoon the shit out of their GV70- BEV or ICE. Yet every car review is going to bitch about this. I doubt anyone is intentionally going to take on of these things past 50% of it's capability. If the thing drives badly as intended, then call it out. I've got a '23 Integra Type A and The limits are far higher that I can get close to on the street ( I've got a CDL, so no traffic school for me. My .02 worth.
@@gluedmynuts Yeap, and the owner ended up with all premiums taken down from his insurance. Time, stress and insurance premiums are a high cost to pay for the company's incompetence.
Sooooo many people buying from these Hyundai/kia/genesis. Me included. Had nothing but problems on my Santa Fe calligraphy and I can’t get any of them fixed under warranty because their shops are so backed up. 6 month wait time just to get a diagnosis. Insane.
@@cameronthorby5799 so sorry lol. It was super smooth drive, nice features and good design. Sadly it is too small for my kids seats in the back. The cadillac Lyriq and BMW iX are my top two right now, just waiting for the best deal in the coming months when dealers are desperate to offload this years model.
Thanks for rementioning the bad dealership experiences. So much of the product line is positive an all is wasted by the dealership experience.
The dealership experience is criminal and the main reason I sold my G80.
Yes, looking at a Genesis, we RAN back to the Lexus dealer one Saturday. "Greasy" was the description I used for the dealer.
100%. I thankfully have a stand alone Genesis dealer within 15min of me so it wasn't a concern when I bought my G70. But that is the only good Genesis dealer I have been to, all the rest are sleazy and and very very Kia.
I have a dedicated Genesis dealer near me and it's a fantastic experience.
@@aceofspades6667I have one planned to open but I'm moving out of the brand because of all the disgusting experience I've had. Besides, this would be the same dealer/staff, so they can go F themselves.
Mark is right. I've bought 3 products from Hyundai / Kia; and while I love the cars, the dealer buying experience is irritating. Basically you can still get a good deal at the end of the day, but it takes more work and tolerance. You have to play the dealerships against each other and stay at it. The brand really has to punish dealers that get negative reviews from customers.
Also, the service experience was not the greatest. Just getting an appointment is 2 to 3 months out.
Any "Good" deal you'll get there is not worth it because you'll be dealing with garbage service and treated like inconvenience.
I would give up the dealer experience to get a better car
These days it’s about the car not the brand.
@@rosgoncharuk2403 As a former Hyundai owner, you're not wrong. BUT this issue isn't exclusive to Hyundai. I've read plenty of complaints made by owners of cars of other brands who say similar things, including Honda and Toyota. Remember, dealerships are independently franchised.
So you buy a car based on a dealership experience? Gtfo
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I used to dismiss the dealer experience part untill I had to deal with Hyundai Genesis service at least 4 times a year for maintenance and warranty issues. This IS actually a huge part and DO NOT pass on that, even if you like the car so much. Once the car is broken - it's those morons you'll have to deal with, numerous times!
There are morons in all car companies and dealers
only as long as the warranty lasts, after that go wherever you want
@@bradhaines3142 doesn't matter. You have an issue with the car under warranty - you have to deal with garbage service. The only thing warranty helps you is the cost, but it doesn't prevent the headache of dealing with idiots and careless staff that just gets their hour in.
Like Mark was saying about XC90 - what's the point of warranty when the car sits at the dealer for repairs more than it is actually driven? Now add a bad service and it doesn't matter how good the car is.
When I was cleaning my car at dealer lot after the hail, there was another owner that came in to check his totalled car that was in repairs. Same g80, but top trim. He said that before this, he had the car back for a week. Previous it was at dealer for two months because they were replacing the sunroof and damaged other stuff they had to wait for. Here's the warranty for ya!
@@rosgoncharuk2403 thats a different issue, thats reliability. if warranty is the problem, once its over you dont have to go there anymore. if the car is a pile of shit, its going to be a pile of shit anywhere
@@bradhaines3142 yep, that's the point. There are so many components & software glitches in cars now that "reliable" becomes more relative.
I realized that warranty is just another marketing bait. If the car is reliable - you don't need one, but then why would you buy it new and pay for the warranty you don't need? If the car is not reliable you shouldn't buy it at all, regardless of what warranty BS is attached to it.
I have the Advanced eGV70. It's what I wanted in a commuter. Quiet, fast, comfortable. No gas. Looks great. Carries kids and groceries but not too big. I don't care about range, I just commute to work. I'm not driving this at the limit. It understeers too much, too tall and heavy. I have an S2000 for my fun car. I agree, lease instead of buy. I've not had any issues with the dealership but it's still early.
75k to drive a 4k lbs boat to work. EVs in a nutshell
@@kinglumpy6145the Advanced isn't $75k. Regardless, why not get something nice and comfortable if you can afford it? I've paid my dues. Now it's time to not feel exhausted and irritable when I get to work or get home.
This thing is also a total sleeper and can embarrass more expensive muscle cars and sports cars in a straight line.
I live in the UK and lease it. It's going to cost my business £17,000 to drive it for 2 years.
@@kinglumpy6145 exactly like a luxury powerful ICE suv would be except this has a way lower total emissions over its life and costs pennies to drive with an overnight tariff.
At least have a think before making asinine remarks.
Very nice car im sure, but disposable. Specially with Hyundai/Kias track record, worked as a tech there for 3 years. Also EV batteries lifespan of 10-20 years will total out these EV's from repair cost, or replacing and doubling emissions from production and sourcing materials like Lithium. People will harp on zero tailpipe emissions while charging from coal electric plants, out of sight out of mind. IMO hybrids are the most environmentally friendly new cars you can buy.
So, so right about the luxury vs price point. But i just had my 2023 GV-70 repurchased under lemon law due to transfer case issues. If the dealer experience wasn't horrific, I might have had more patience to let them sort it. I've been to 5 dealers within 70 miles and each was just as slimey as last. Shame as they have such potential.
there are so much issue with majority of hyundai dealers,
its not the dealer, its the Hyundai corporate.
Yes! It will be there down fall..
Merry Christmas to Mark and Jack!
Happy thermal runaway!
I appreciate the video, as it was well done as usual. But I also appreciated what you mentioned about the dealership experience. I am in Florida and I can attest to being jerked around and being shown an astronomical market adjustment add on of thousands which, I was told, was not negotiable. The adjacent maintenance facility was overloaded and a mess, and the regular Hyundai and Genesis vehicles were all being sold off the same showroom. They also were offering a laughable trade in on my car, and running from me to talk to the Genesis shoppers (I was looking at the Palisade). I left there and went to Lexus, where the dealership experience is second to none. There were no markups, the price for my trade in was fair (not generous, but fair), and the car value is bulletproof (RX 450hl). I will not step foot in another Hyundai or Kia dealership, especially with how poorly those vehicles resell and hold up. By the way, the value of a Hyundai really gets washed away when they are jacking on a $7500 markup over MSRP.
Good thing the hyundai dealers are morons, you walked away with a car that will actually last over 100k miles without drivetrain issues.
@@z33tanner Thanks! I do feel lucky!
@@billr8564Agreed with the commenter above. Lexus may not be the most fun to drive, but its reliability and customer service second to none.
Hey guys. The thing is, no one is buying an SUV to drive 9 or 10 tenths. I own a GV70 ice. One of the absolute best cars I have ever had. And I am more than happy to pay $25K less for 90% of a BMW. Not sure I personally am ready for any full EV yet ( petrol head to the end) but honestly for 99% of buyers no one will have a clue. Love the videos and the honesty. Keep it up. Merry Christmas and happy New Year.
Their dealers are among the worst. A couple of years ago I went to check the kia telluride and hyundai palisade. Both gave me attitude when I asked if I could see the vehicle first. This was around the end of 2020 so vehicles were still relatively cheap. They didn't want to sell me the car as they advertised $5k off + 3% interest. They said I had to choose 1 either the 5k off or 3%. But boy would you ever expect a 18% interest rate. I walked out and went to toyota and got 3.8% for xse highlander. Never again I would ever step foot in those dealership nor recommending that brand.
Bunch of crooks.
I want to a BMW to buy a 5 series and everyone ignored and I left. Gullible people like to generalize.
Front grille is the absolute worst location for the charging port. You’ve just added a foot to the amount of garage space the car needs.
Can you explain? I own an EV and I don't understand why you would need another foot in any dimension. I would think you just need enough cable length
@@carltonr.7404 Because the charger handle plus cable sticks out a foot from the car. It’s not an issue on the side but on the front or rear, you are effectively making your car a foot longer if you want to plug it in at home. Modern cars are already really big for older homes and this makes it much worse.
I also couldn't park this in my garage and charge it. Some garages are shorter like in townhouses or condos. I have storage units in the garage that utilize every inch, pushing the vehicle right to the door.
Front grill eliminates any possibility that you’re blocked from charging at a public charger. Lots of them have short cables. This eliminates that as a possibility.
And if you get a minor frontal crash and have to wait for parts. SOL
In regards to bad dealership/brand experience there have been two separate cases of Ioniq 5 models here in Canada where the dealerships have quoted over $55k for a 77kw/hr battery replacement put on the owner. They’ve claimed the battery protector panel under the car has been damaged and the battery must be replaced and not covered by warranty. Absolutely nobody in their right mind is going to buy these under those circumstances.
If they drove over road debris the replacement can be covered under insurance. That's an accident.
I've seen a lot of cars totalled out by hitting curbs, rocks or things that fell off a truck.
It's not the manufacturers fault when you hit something. That's what insurance is for.
This just shows a lack of knowledge and willingness to repair something that can be repaired. To be this sounds more like a broken dealer market then a problem with the cars themselves.
Strangely I haven't heard of cases like this here in Europe especially Norway where the amount of EVs is way higher.
And as a last point I have to say that a lot of dealers and people working there just don't care for EVs and the new products they have to sell. I went to my VW partner and a sales person started telling me that he hopes to be able to stop working before having to deal with EVs. It's also a question if how much they want to help you and want to learn.
Nothing like anecdotal Jalopnik stories. Should we also post stories of engine blocks going at astronomical costs?
@Harumph538 two dealers on opposite sides of the country with the exact same price? Another dealer even posted the part with the same price. The issue isn't that the battery is expensive. It's that the part costs more than the new car does.
@@jonathansage2147 the manufacturer has said the battery costs less than 20k for the dealer.
Dealers mark up parts.
I mostly agree with your review, and things you've pointed out about the Genesis vehicles.
Only thing i can't agree about is all the "handling " nonsense. No one is buying a Luxury Branded Genesis to Turn Off all the electronic stability controls, and horse the vehicle around roads like race car drivers. Even mentioning this is strange. Did you have to dig that hard to find something you could pick on? For the driving purests, the suspention and feel you described is exactly what they want, to feel the road, to hear the tires in corners. The car didnt get weard, spin out, fishtail, or anything unusual for someone TRYING to drive past the limits of a car just to prove a point. Seriously...
Having owned four Hyundai vehicals, of different types, i wouldn't hesitate to buy a Genesis.
The only good point you make, and others have commented on here is the dealership experience. They Suck ! 98% of them , maybe more !
If i had the option to appoint a vehicle the way i wanted via the internet, directly from Hyundai or Genesis i would ! The sales experience is like a 1970s used car lot run by pawn brokers, in dire financial need, with the staff using every old line, and trick, including tacking on thousands for dealer add ons you don't want, and telling you they are mandatory and cant be removed, like they can't take a $35 first aid kit out, or $110 rubber car matt, or $350 roof cross rails ect...
Then to, the dealership service is to be avoided at all cost! Even warranty work becomes a never ending runaround for simple things! Their "mechanic staff" are ASE certified dopes straight out of failing school, and have no idea how to service, fix or care for a $50k to $70k vehicle! Hyundai corporation needs to d-certify these dealerships and start over with a new model, and staffs !
Approximately 18 minutes to charge battery from 10% to 80% on a 350-kW, 800V DC EV Ultra-Fast Charger. Charging rate and time estimate varies based on a number of factors, including current battery charge level, output of the charging unit, vehicle and battery settings and outside temperature. Ultra-fast charging stations are provided by independent companies and availability is not guaranteed.Close disclaimer
Public non-Tesla chargers are a real disappointment, you gamble every time you pull up.
@@foxlake6750 Tesla chargers are, slowly but surely, slowly adopting magic dock as well.
we have a '22 gv70 and the service experience is a huge factor for getting rid of it. in socal no loaners, but they'll pay for a rental, but you the customer have to make the reservation, pay for the reservation, and arrange for reimbursement from genesis....yeah no thanks. so far its a good car, too bad the experience is so poor
This needs to be shared more, most Genesis owners are just too disappointed to share the real ownership experience...
Never had a problem getting a loaner from my Lexus dealership although haven't needed one other than regular service appointments.
@@CarShopping101Cadillac experience and loaners has always been excellent.
@@CarShopping101 - Yeah, but you have to drive one of he ugliest looking brands on the planet. Everything's a compromise.
The genesis gv70 ev great and beautiful, I have driven it in the Canadian winter at -40 degrees and it gives me a range of 380 kilometers, super and super powerful, definitely an excellent EV SUV option worth what it costs, I recommend it
I know it feels like a broken record but thank you for mentioning the dealership experience again. I have a good friend who has a 2018 Hyundai SUV and it consumes about a quart every 500 miles but instead of the dealership telling her that it obviously needs a replacement. They just keep telling her it’s normal she’s not trying to do a warranty claim she understands she’s past the time and mileage but the dealership just flat out won’t give her any solutions. I told her to just go to another Hyundai dealership with a nice cheap Prius and trade it in and let them deal with it if they’re gonna be assholes about it.
I am the guy he is talking about, the dealership experience with 2 separate Hyundai/Genesis dealerships, 4 total horrible experiences. I gave one dealerships 3 tries and each time was a different excuse…it’s too bad because the cars are great. Once they iron out the issues and make more stand alone Genesis dealerships hopefully it fixes it
But until then they will keep loosing what could've been a loyal customers. When you realize that Hyundai doesn't care about Genesis experience outside of Korea -- there's no point going back, even if it looks good and shiny. In my case, the new dealership will be done next summer, but it would be all the same staff that I'm sick of from Hyundai barn.
Never ever again. Should've bought ES.
@@rosgoncharuk2403 I think about that too, in my case a whole new dealership with new staff is being made, I may go back when my wife wants a new car but if it hasn’t changed we won’t entertain that brand anymore
@@theday2learnalso, keep in mind that majority of details/parts/panels are made in Korea, so when I had to replace hood and trunk -- I had to wait for over a month to get them through the dealership I despise. There's no aftermarket or salvaged parts, you'll struggle to find anything NATIONWIDE. I heard about that two years ago and dismissed it, like why would I need replacing body panels, right? And here I am, because of shit rear diff noise and garbage cheap dealer.
Just don't. Get your wife a Lexus or Porsche - she will appreciate the experience and facilities more.
I watched another You Tube channel. They stated it cost 60K Canadian dollars to replace a battery pack on an Hyundai EV! It cost more to replace the battery than buying the entire car! Lease not buy if someone wants an EV because the tech is new and ICE has been around more than a 100 years! Also insurance is more, repair cost is crazy sky high.
The dealership was not good. I bought a 2024 GV70 gas model. My first service they didn’t see I had pre scheduled around 1 month ahead. I had to find the message. They were supposed to give me a Genesis loaner. I ended up with Hyundai Santa Fe after arguing for 20 minutes. They forgot to put my tire air caps back on, which I didn’t notice until I left.
I love the car! But dread the dealership.
My Mercedes was opposite. The entire maintenance experience was always exceptional. Granted they normally threw in some additional charges though.
And the equivalent MB costs significantly more.
"Nobody drives these hard"
Here in FL they are doing 120 down I-95
Fair review though went a bit far on the "disposable" point. No manufacturer would put a 10-year / 100K mile warranty on a battery if they assumed they would have to replace the pack at year 9. Yes, first gen Nissan Leafs were disposable, as were every "Compliance Car" EV made to around 2016. BMS and related technology has advanced a lot since then.
Yeah, it's for sure a lease instead of a $75K buy
But the math changes a lot at $40K when you'll be able to pick up a low-mileage year old used car.
And the negative comments about Genesis service departments? This is an EV...no oil or fluid changes, with regen braking, you may never have to replace the pads, so exactly *what* service will this car need? Even Walmart can change a tire or a windshield wiper.
This isn't a BMW M series track car, and it wasn't designed to be. Unless you're looking for attention, who really cares if you can't stomp on the accelerator without squealing the tires?
So, I'll wait for my $40 GV70 electric and will gladly roll in quiet luxury.
So per the final thoughts, the car isn't a bad EV, it will have the same issues with depreciation and repairability as other EVs.
Except that it's almost the same price as an X5 50e but with less power, inferior engine, drivetrain, ride and interior quality.
@@pnouranibut you'll miss out on the Genesis/Hyundai dealer experience.
@@pnouranithe BMW starts at 72k... I'm pretty sure to have to same options you'll be looking at well over 80k on the BMW.
And let's be real, the straight line performance will be better in this then the BMW for sure. EVs are just better in the regard and don't have to mess with transmissions and gears and all wheel drive systems and so on
@@MichaelPanzer wow price went up from the 45e which did start at 65 last year. But I mean at 4.6 second it's more than fast enough. It's about handling at that point.
@@pnourani I think the video made clear that handling is just not the thing everybody, even at this price point, is necessarily worried about.
Over here in Germany I see a lot of women driving all kinds of EVs and I'd bet they just enjoy the benefits of an electric drivetrain and don't care about the typical dude stuff about cars. So this would perfectly fit as the family car the wife drives in a good income household. Handling doesn't matter when you do your family chores.
100% about the dealer experience. They just fkd around with their g70, picked up an m340 instead.
"They just fkd around with their g70". No idea what that means.
I've heard and read nothing but bad things with Hyundai and Kia dealerships. As nice as their cars look, I can't justify owning one because of the dealer network. We just bought our third Acura in 11 years from the same salesman. Even if we didn't get the greatest deal because I'm not the best negotiator, we didn't care too much. The experience was pleasant and the service department has been good (we had one bad experience with our 2013 RDX years ago that Acura Corporate made right). Since then we've been treated well which resulted in the 2nd car (TSX SportWagon bought as a CPO) and now a 2024 RDX. All three are in our fleet. We may be biased toward Acura but we're happy with their products and hopefully will stay with them for more years to come.
Keep payingthat "Acura Tax".
@@normt430 gladly will too
If vehicles are built right, I don't see much of a need to use a dealership, especially for an EV, which require minimal maintenance, if any. If you're buying some POS that's always in the shop, why would you continue to buy from that brand?
There would a be Hyundai Santa Fe or even a gv80 in my house hold had mama bear not been through such a bad experience at a Hyundai dealer buying a car. Now with her experienceling a Audi dealer I don't think genesis or Hyundai will ever make her a conquest customer. That's despite her liking their products subjectively.
jack is focused on the wrong things. gv70e isnt trying to be a track car. sure, if it was touted as a canyon car and failed at it, sht on it all your want. This is like complaining about the rolls royce ev handling
This one needed Jack mentioning Brit Casey is a PRO DRIVER. Thanks Mark always awesome work! Hope you and your loved ones had an amazing Christmas.
Love what Genesis is doing. Picked up a used G70 3.3T AWD a few months ago and love it. Thankfully my dealership experience has been good so far. The car had a few things needing addressed and every one of them was covered under warranty. Couldn't believe it as my other vehicles would never have been covered under same circumstances. My only gripe is they never gave me a loaner, only Uber rides. Regardless, many others haven't been so lucky w/ dealers as I have. Fix that and they have legit alternatives to the Germans.
They talk alot here about how it still isn’t a viable competitor for a discerning customer. The driving dynamics are trash. But maybe it can compete against lexis which doesn’t sweat that stuff as much either
I wanted an EV6 but did not want to deal with the dealer so I got an ID4 instead. Hyundai has to take control of its sales experience. It's amazing they manage to sell cars at all with their awful dealer network
Congrads on getting the worst EV on the market
@@Quandtimus that would be Vinfast. The VW is a solid inexpensive EV option. At least VW won't charge you $60k CAD for a damaged battery pack.
Seems Hyundai is the perfect automaker to trial the new Amazon buying experience. No one likes going to their dealerships!
That’s why people still have a stigma on the brand and consider it trash n cheap. Buyers can try to justify but the perception all around is they’re a value n knock off brand. Copying Bentley design isn’t cool, it’s as sad as those Chrysler 300s trying to look like Rolls Royce
ID4 lol comparing this crap to the EV6
Thank you, gentlemen, for the 'day-after-Christmas' present of this review. Happy Holidays Mark and Jack!
Uf, it feels like theres nothing really in the video to justify the title of bad EV you gave it.
They can improve the car all they want but I’m not buying it until their dealers are Lexus level. Lexus gets away with aging and last gen tech primarily because of that experience n reliability. Ive been BMW for the last 8 years but they’re also better than hyundai. They upcharge on their msrp cars thinking that won’t hurt long term. They need to be the brand that discounts at the tightest times and they lost me. I was curious over n over but they are awful. I even lost my $100 deposit for an Ioniq for whatever reason and it didn’t even get me a priority when that was announced. Joke brand, bad customer service, bad dealerships. Never giving them a chance again. This was their time to strike n they didn’t follow through.
The interior looks so good, it gives me pleasant feeling in the brain.
All feelings are in the brain.
Man i love these guys to the point no nonsense review. They bottom line it better than any other channel. Earned a subscriber.
Love how mark give out real world experiences we go through with dealers like Kia and etc.
Me fast forwarding, wondering if SDR is a video format or à Hyundai trim level. Fun fact: Spécial Drawing Right (SDR) is the right to convert bullion to dollars or vice versa at à fixed price.
Just don’t dent the bottom of the vehicle. It will be written off.
Yes. Zack and Andrea of Motormouth made aware of this issue on two separate occasions.
At some point down the road, that will be a good thing.
I ride my fathers GV70 and I would never expect the car to handle better. You really have to be a race car driver or something to think the car needs better handling. It is super fast, seems to handle well. It has loads of power but I'm only going to use it in straight lines. I floor the car all the time and never had issues with traction.
If you are racing the car around turns, flooring it, stuff like that, maybe a different story but who is doing that?
Happy holidays thanks for the content SG.
Oh. BTW, not sure what is happening in the US but my dealer experience with Genesis in Quebec Canada is great. Zero complaints. Too bad they screwed up in the US.
While they made significant overall improvements so far from past years, Kia/Hyundai/Gensis still have a long way to go especially in long term serviceability for both the owners & technicians.
The interior & exterior features are smoke & mirror and only skin deep like dangling a carrot while hiding so much flaws yet to be fixed.
To make matters worse, they lack “Kaizen” philosophy that companies like Toyota embodies for “continuous improvement” where no owner complaint is too small.
Once you bought the car -- you're an afterthought.
thehill.com/homenews/4370741-toyota-recalls-1-million-vehicles-over-possible-airbag-failure/amp/ I wonder if their cheating on the safety features applies to the 改善(Kaizen) philosophy. Every automobile companies have their flaws. Even Toyota is not exception.
My Kia sedona had close to 200k miles going strong you people are pathetic and speak with no evidence. 😂😂😂
Best thing about an EV is that you can largely skip the dealership maintenance plan and not experience their BS after you get the car. I didnt do any dealership maintenance on my i3 and this thing is still trouble free at 80k miles. I did brakes/fluid, myself, and tires at costco.
I’m impressed to see Honda Pro Jason covering off non Honda products regularly on this channel
11:00 Yep! Dealer experience matters. That is one of the reasons I've been sticking with Mazda lately. I get minimal bullshit, and feel they not only want my business, but also my return business.
If you test drive this GV70 electrified, you will almost think that this car is a best EV ever made in regular roads. Quiteness and the ride quality is almost at the level of cars with twice the price.. like Lexus LS.
Agree with the mixed experience at Genesis dealerships, considering most of them are still Genesis/Hyundai dealerships. FWIW in the SF bay area I've had good experiences at San Bruno, and mid to bad experiences at Dublin and Capitol. I actually leased my G80 all the way down in the Santa Monica dealership because they had the exact configuration I wanted, and they were pretty decent as well.
Hyundai is no longer going to allow Hyundai dealers to sell Genesis cars. They will all be standalone dealerships soon, and very few of them. Hyundai only wants 1-2 Genesis dealers per state
If anyone is ever considering a Hyundai EV yall should look into that Motormouth story where the the battery shield of a Ioniq 5 was damaged but it cost 60k Canadian to fix. More than the car was worth. These shields seem rather pointless. There is a lot more too it. But yall should look into if you really consider a Hyundai EV...heck probably all future EV buyers.
I looked into it. The guy ran over a muffler on the road. That's a big chunk of steel.
The pricing is outrageous, but that's the dealer not wanting the job. Hyundai corp has stepped in to approve all battery replacement jobs now. They aren't happy with that quote considering the batteries themselves are like 15k.
I've seen Audi RS, corvettes, all kinds of nice cars get totalled by hitting road debris. They can quickly rack up to catastrophic repair costs.
@@pierredelecto7069 - It happened multiple times at multiple dealerships across the country. Hyundai may have stepped in (I'd have to confirm that), but only because of the bad national publicity. It should only be a few hours labour to swap the battery, why the $60k quote to swap a $15k battery? Makes no sense. Dealers mark shit up, but not that much.
When will you get to try the Celestiq?
We need a 170 inch long station wagon
I would love a lifted wagon either than a Outback
great content, as always, guys - Canadian here, My Genesis "Experience" has been absolutely stellar (bought my G70 new in 2019) , irrespective of what dealer I go to. Really don't understand how they can nail it up here and F it up down there
Likewise. There was just an update and I used the concierge service. They picked up the car and left a loaner (G80).
Lacks the interior roominess gained by a dedicated EV platform.
It's not a dedicated ev platform, it's for people who want a regular car with EV trappings.
@@th003g - That was their point. This isn't a dedicated EV platform, thus, the roominess is shite.
Honest review however I drive a 2012 Nissan Leaf just under 100 thousand miles miles. Never had a problem with the battery pack. If you are buying a Ev would not worry about the battery most manufacturers offer 8 year warranty. The car structure will collapse before the battery. 👍
75k EV and no wireless technology?
This reminds me of the former industry I was in that came out with a very similar product but cost 2x more because of it’s perceived ease of use, when in reality it created new problems that had not yet been seen by the customer.
Reminds me of Dyson. Make something everyone else can make, charge twice as much, then make it so hard to repair you can't fix it.
We went back to Bissel.
This channel is fantastic. I always love their realistic perspectives and how they examine the finer details that differentiate car models.
I bought a new Hyundai a year ago, and everything went pretty well. Definitely best to be well prepared when you enter the Finance Office and keep your wits about you!
I have one of these. Got it lightly used, fully loaded. '23 model. I share some of the concern about "Gen 1 EV", but feel that I got a pretty good deal. It was about 4K more than a Tesla Y. At that price, I think it was an exceptional deal.
I went to see this eGV70 while I was EV shopping a year back. In Canada this one comes in 1 flavor - a loaded Prestige trim that comes in an eye-watering $84k CAD price tag. Its middling range and high interest rates quickly drove me away, since the Volvo XC40 Recharge & Audi Q4 e-tron came in thousands less and offered pretty similar driving range.
The GV70 is a larger car, longer wheelbase more comfort more interior space.
@@olafvanesand half the charging time.
@@olafvanes It wasn't $15k better than the Volvo or Audi.
Im an Audi guy (have had 7 in the last 10 years) and just replaced my wife's SQ5 with the GV70E. The Q4 is a warmed over ID4 and the interior quality proves this. Was also shopping the Q8 and the $30k price difference between that (Luxury tax applies) and the GV70 was too much. 9 months in and my wife loves it.
Are you guys going to give your take on those Hyundai Ioniq 5 owners had there cars written off because of damage to the under carriage where the battery sits. From what I understand they totaled the cars because of potential battery damage (one of them had a dent in the battery casing) through the shield and replacement batteries are more than cars worth (60k Canadian labor fees included). I wouldn’t touch a current Gen EV for these reasons.
You wouldnt touch an ev for Hyundai reasons? Wait till you hear about their gas engines, you’ll never drive a car again
@@jissanhuq3792haters gonna hate. Like all cars are perfect lol
I've never damaged the undercarriage of a car in 40 years of driving. If I do, insurance will take care of it. Sorry, for not seeing a problem here. Also, the OEMs will begin to offer remanufactured batteries in the near future. Crisis averted.
Thanks for the great review! I never heard about issues with Hyundai's dealers, but neither I nor my friends ever bought a car from them, so it's a reason. Good to know it for sure!
This guy has no idea what he's talking about. This is top of the line for cars, and top of the line for EVs, period.
Genesis needs to adopt the Tesla sales model. I loved the experience when I got my 23 model Y. Salesman are not pushy whatsoever, they don’t care if you buy the car or not. Picking up the vehicle is so nice and smooth no garbage from dealerships
These guys are some of the best and definitely bring up some great points to consider. My dealer has been great no issues, but some of the other dealers in the city were pretty bad. My in-laws wanted a GV80 and their dealership experience was horrible.(Purchased a MDX Type-S instead) On average Hyundai and Genesis dealers seem to still be pretty poor. In terms of EV's, we all still seem to be early adopters/beta testers; with battery tech still evolving most EV's are in the same boat as 1st gen products. Definitely proceed with caution.
Did your test car have a weird fore/aft rocking motion as you pull to a halt (no matter how smoothly you do so)? I’ve had mine since April, your review is dead right - it gets squirrely under full throttle and the turning radius is oddly bad, but as a daily commuter it’s super soothing!
We had a bmw 740e that did the exact same thing and the dealer said it was normal. Would drive me insane. You have to modulate the brake right before you come to full stop to minimize it
Loved the video as always. I would just like to add that if you are close to DC, Genesis of Alexandria was a very fair dealership to deal with during the purchasing process and the service department has been constantly improving.
"Oahhhah!...I spilled my chai latté on my pants! ...and i just had them pressed this a.m." 😂
9:30 God that's a pretty shot, that's how you do it right there, scene looks stunning, you guys amaze me with that production quality.
Jack's '70s throwback Gulf hoodie takes me back to my childhood sitting in the back of my dad's 1974 chev impala as he pulls into the gulf station to top it up with good ol' american leaded gas.
Having owned a Model Y for 2 months now, I notice the car is really heavy to drive even when compared to my previous car which was a Nissan Pathfinder. Also, as there's no coasting and with battery regen I found I had to maintain pressure on the accelerator pedal which causes strain and fatigue on the right leg. Do you feel the same with the Genesis?
"I just pressed my jeans!"
Wait a minute, which one of you two owns a Corvette?
The one with the New Balance runners.
Agreed with u. Am leasing this vehicle, bad dealership experience, cruiser experience is awesome.. maintenance serviceability from Genesis is good with Genesis Concierge
I really really appreciate your candor about this vehicle and the dealership experience!!!!
Agree! Horrendous dealer experience (twice). I walked out of both without making a purchase.
Had same bad experience with German car dealerships. Only geniuses judge a entire car company because of bad middle man
Glad you also mention the i5, are going to make a video? I was basically debating between BMW i5 and Genesis Electrified G80 and at the end it was 100% the dealership experience made me walk away from Genesis.😢
Wow, That was an excellent honest review. Very refreshing to see I mean where do you see reviewers on here admit their biases (allergic to the car). I find the styling of the Genesis GV 60-70-80 extremely satisfying, sleek and modern. I purchased a 2018 Bolt EV Primer for $30k and with discounts, tax breaks and trade-in (2015 Cherokee Trailhawk), it was out the door cost to me of $11,000k. (MSRP $44,680) and really was a great car (for what it was) for my needs, and I never had a single issue. GM did replace the battery, however I heard about the buyback so thought what the heck. I was able to get a 2022 Bolt EUV Launch Edition for the whopping sum of $350. Since I am so far flush with this I want to trade in and get something like the Genesis but this is stupid money they want. Looks like the EV market is crashing so I believe and hope by mid 2024 I can get a killer deal.
Fantastic review and great tips about the dealerships!! Happy New Year!!
It is sad to see so many Genesis owners are complaining about their dealer experience in US. Cuz in Canada, Genesis only sold in MSRP as a Distributorship like Tesla and more and more Genesis Store is opening up with one-on-one services.
If driving dynamics don’t matter to this car , then why does it have over 400hp ? Some of these EVs give mixed messages
But the gv70 still boasts excellent driving dynamics
Sounds like a win for what the bulk of the target market are going to do with these vehicles. Bang for the buck was a big deal in the late 80s and into the 90s. Korea is focusing on bang for the buck and I’m grateful. Those who are looking for a daily vehicle with ten tenth’s capability and are willing to flush out 25% to 45% more cash have multiple options to choose from. I 100% agree that they try and cover up the dynamic deficiencies with software. While that’s helpful in emergency situations it’s not fun if you’re looking to intentionally put yourself out there in those sketchy circumstances. I’m thinking this will work for quite a few people if they’re not badge focused.
In 2020, I wanted to test drive a Telluride on I-35 in New Braunfels, Tx. The salesman told me I couldn’t take it for a ride because people want to buy new cars with low miles!! I was 64 years old at the time, I had my 2014 Ram Laramie. I went down the street and bought another Ram Laramie, sticker $67,666..
I drive a 2018 G80 Ultimate and I don't understand why this brand do not have wireless carplay. I hate wrapping my cable around the shifter. It just makes it looks so tacky. But to know that they still haven't implemented wireless carplay in the newer generation baffles me. Does it really cost extra for that technology to be built into those cars?
It's the Ultimate trim level. Their top trim infotainment units never get wireless carplay/android auto. I'm not sure if the 2018 got wireless anyway, but their lower trim ones do sometimes get it. It's a fight between the manufacturer and Apple/Google about navigation and who should "own" that space in the car.
It's a hyundai parent company thing.. they will fix it eventually but their sourcing/supply chain team negotiated a lower cost solution that did not have wireless car play capability.
It’s because the wireless Apple carplay didn’t exist in 2018. Their most recent cars have adopted the wireless Android Auto/Apple Carplay.
Calling this a bad EV seems unfair. It seems to do all the EV things correct. Good efficiency, good power, and fast-charging. Assuming the powertrain won't have issues, this is more than good enough for most uses and will only get better as our charging infrastructure grows. The issue with the car becoming outdated is an issue with all EVs right now. The performance issue is, as mark pointed out, an issue with all the Hyundai/kia non-N products.
Merry Chrystler 🚗🎄🙌
Hey Mark, what do you use that black squishy ball with the red tip for?
Is the Battery 800 V DC? Motors run on AC ?
The GV70 is just such a gorgeous car, inside and out.
Love the Psy "Easter Egg". Sums up things really well.
Too bad about the powertrain...I am not interested in a being an EV beta tester.
Just a thought about range - don’t rely the “guess-o-meter” that it gives you. Take the actual miles/KWh that you are getting, multiply by the size of the battery pack, and that’s your range. The guess-o-meter range estimate isn’t accurate - just a recommendation to keep that in mind going forward
How fast were you driving in the roundabout?
I have an ICE GV70 and I love it, I'm not ready for full EVs yet as the infrastructure is not up to per yet.
I bought two hyundai/kia products - stinger and santa fe and both purchasa were fine/went very well. Then again im not a naive car buyer.
Genesis are the best looking vehicles! Wow
How many recalls and warranty work does one typically need is the first few years of ownership because it seem like a TON. Never had that experience with my Toyota.
The problem isn't the car, the problem is the review. This isn't limited to SavageGeese. No One is buying a GV70 for an "engaging driving experience"... period. No One is going to turn off all the electronic nannies and Hoon the shit out of their GV70- BEV or ICE. Yet every car review is going to bitch about this. I doubt anyone is intentionally going to take on of these things past 50% of it's capability. If the thing drives badly as intended, then call it out. I've got a '23 Integra Type A and The limits are far higher that I can get close to on the street ( I've got a CDL, so no traffic school for me. My .02 worth.
So bad vehicle dymamics hidden by poor stability control programming is not a problem at 75k?
Kia Canada proved that even on warranty managing issues related to batteries are a huge problem with customers ending up with big problems.
Battery replacement cost was essential the price of a new car
@@gluedmynuts
Yeap, and the owner ended up with all premiums taken down from his insurance.
Time, stress and insurance premiums are a high cost to pay for the company's incompetence.
GV70 base price in New Zealand is $144,990.
Or USD $91,800.
That's the "F$%K YOU KIWI" tax because... why not?
Sooooo many people buying from these Hyundai/kia/genesis. Me included. Had nothing but problems on my Santa Fe calligraphy and I can’t get any of them fixed under warranty because their shops are so backed up. 6 month wait time just to get a diagnosis. Insane.
90% of driver's do not need more than 180 lb-ft of torque and 300 hp.
I'm going tomorrow to test drive this exact car. I'll come back here and reply with what my experience is. Thanks for the details and heads up.
You've lied to me
@@cameronthorby5799 so sorry lol. It was super smooth drive, nice features and good design. Sadly it is too small for my kids seats in the back. The cadillac Lyriq and BMW iX are my top two right now, just waiting for the best deal in the coming months when dealers are desperate to offload this years model.