Great video !! Just am FYI KTM 4 strokes have a great feature to lock the crank at TDC so no washers or gear jammers are necessary. While at TDC remove the large allen bolt just below the primary gear and remove the thick washer that is behind it. The end of the bolt is pointed and through the hole you will see a corresponding slot in the crank. Screw the bolt back in without the washer and this locks the crank at TDC.
You're correct, it does have that feature, the reason why I didn't use to it hold the crank while I remove the bolt is that the allen screw has a tapered end on it and I was worried id shear it off with the amount of torque required to remove the bolt on the gear. It is a good feature that KTM's have though , I use it when I remove the cams to adjust the valve shims and it keeps everything in time. Thats for the comment!
The factory coolant is a light pink colour like you see at the end, so I think in such a small volume at the start while it’s pouring out it’s hard to see the colour.
Hi thanks for the great sharing! Any idea if these revised metal engine oil pump gears can also be used to replace the plastic ones on the LC4 engines of the 2012-2015 KTM Duke 690's?
it doesn't "need" doing, likely you may never have an issue with your plastic gears, depending how hard you ride. but if you want the added reliability of steel gears, then you might want to.
It doesn't happen to every bike, but there's been plenty of cases of it happening, for the small cost of the gears themselves its a cheap way to add some reliability
Im sure the engineers had their reasons at the time for the plastic gears, wether it was to save weight or save on manufacturing cost, but I think I speak for everyone when I say id prefer the reliability of steel gears in my engine than it be $10 cheaper or to save 20 grams
@@jackkellybuilds it'd be the upgraded gear P/No ending in '100' (more fibrous plastic). Do you know if tye newer metal gear can be used in a 2021 instead of the fibrous upgraded plastic rubbish?
Are you aware of the plastic oil pump failure that other models have suffered? There’s a video on here showing a failure, and how to swap to the 450f metal oil pump rotors.
I own a KTM enduro bike (300 2 stroke), the list of issues that I've had is 'endless'. My bike is now fully sorted and I love it, having said that I will never own another KTM and I will never recommend KTM as a bike to buy. Their customer care also sucks, many bikes have failed due to the crappy plastic gears, if the bike is one day past its warranty then KTM will just tell you to 'f-off'
This is why in making "Long Way Round" movie Charlie and Ewan got BMW bikes instead of KTM because KTM didnt think their bikes would survive or they could make it through the jorney. Good example of a good branding though cause they sell alot of KTM's with lesser quality compared to German and Japanese makers :)
Fortunately the chances are low on a 690 because I wouldn’t imagine anyone getting one of those hot enough to warp the gear, but a steel gear would be a nice redundancy to have
I got a brand new Peugeot citystar 125 scooter, paid 4k for it 2000 later this plastic gear shattered which totally destroyed the engine in a matter of seconds,
Don’t know if that’s the right name for it but one just like the one you took off from the plastic sprocket, is it possible it could be from there or is there others inside?
@@bismarcktorres8747 yeah its possible it could be from one of the oil pump gears, I would inspect to see if that's where it came from before you continue to ride it
I've got a few thousand hours on the 15+ ktms and never even heard of this. How many people have actually had one fail? My 25 year old garden tractor has a plastic camshaft gear and that piece of shit still keeps going lol. Why shouldn't this gear last as long, turning that tiny little oil pump?
If you have 450's, its because they have steel gears. This issue might not happen to everyone's 250 and 350's, but there's plenty of cases of people blowing up their engine due to these gears failing. Its not the torque through the gears that's an issue, it the gears failing due to excessive heat if the bike is really being pushed
@@jackkellybuilds Fair enough, well if you've got it happening in your area, good on ya for letting people know. I'm just a little weary of these sort of claims that pop up often in the moto world. You can find a snake oil salesman selling dozens of parts for every make and model of bike out there, claiming the manufacturer is stupid and screwed it up, and just beaming to sell you parts turned on a lathe in some dank garage, or a cnc machine in China, to fix it... I know you're not selling anything like that here so again good on ya and hope my comment wasn't too cunty... I've been off the bike for a few weeks so.............
@@jetmuchacho I get your point here. Just because they went plastic doesn't mean it was their choice. To source these gears could have cut into their profits at the time, who knows. Over-molding is always cheaper than cutting gears from solid so the theory holds up fine.
Arroant manufacturer , how many years have they been linning Mechanics bank accounts , how about the Estart probllllems run fr over 10 years . This man says thankyou ktm for metal pump gears so blidt fanboys.
Say what you want about ktm, but I am definitely no fanboy, otherwise I wouldn't make this video pointing out an issue with their bikes and how to fix it with the purpose of helping others.
Great video !! Just am FYI KTM 4 strokes have a great feature to lock the crank at TDC so no washers or gear jammers are necessary. While at TDC remove the large allen bolt just below the primary gear and remove the thick washer that is behind it. The end of the bolt is pointed and through the hole you will see a corresponding slot in the crank. Screw the bolt back in without the washer and this locks the crank at TDC.
You're correct, it does have that feature, the reason why I didn't use to it hold the crank while I remove the bolt is that the allen screw has a tapered end on it and I was worried id shear it off with the amount of torque required to remove the bolt on the gear. It is a good feature that KTM's have though , I use it when I remove the cams to adjust the valve shims and it keeps everything in time. Thats for the comment!
Wow, what a great video! All the steps in order, all the way in and all the way out with no unnecessary extras. WELL DONE! Thank you!
Thank you!
Thanks for the shout out and keep up the great work you guys are doing 🤘🏽
No problem Mike! I’m a big fan of your content 🍻
I had the case off on my 2023 GasGas EX250F (unlucky rock landing 😀) and can confirm the gears were metal. A pleasant surprise.
Lucky man!
Just had my FX350 fail this gear. I wish I had seen this video before the weekend. 😅 great instructions.
ah man that sucks! how bad was the damage to the engine?
@@jackkellybuilds waiting on that info. Cam seized in the head so not good.
One question . A 23 and onward model have metal gears ??
Video couldn’t be better. Very straight forward. 👏👏
Thanks mate!
great vid, thanks for that! gonna change oil pump gears on my 350 soon :)
Thank you! Hopefully my video helps you get the job done easily
Fantastic video mate. Very clear and easy to follow. Cheers
Much appreciated!
Gears replaced - spot on video 🙂
Nice! Thank you
My KTM 250 E-XCF suffered a gear failure. No oil to the top end and I had to do a full top end rebuild at 10 hours. The new part# had no issue.
sorry to hear you got unlucky, at least you have the new gear now and shouldn't happen again
Better yet, I sold that bike and I'm on a TE300i now :) @@jackkellybuilds
Nice, so I understand my new Husky fe360 2023 model is already upgraded.
Yes, your bike should be fine
Thanks a lot men from Belgium. Nice video and explanation !
You are welcome!
Best UA-camr !
thank you!
The part number for the small gear seems to be wrong... My Ktm dealer is telling me it's and oil pump assembly for a 50sx.. Any update or corrections?
a quick google search would confirm it is the correct part number, maybe try another ktm dealer
Very informative thanks jack, quick one why does your coolant look clear when dropping it?
The factory coolant is a light pink colour like you see at the end, so I think in such a small volume at the start while it’s pouring out it’s hard to see the colour.
Ah cool thanks jack! Keep it up 👍
Searched and purchased both gears, shipped to my door for under 40 usd.
I for one will not be torture testing the original gears any longer.
sounds like a good idea! haha
Where'd you get them? I have the steel intermediate, but still looking for the smaller steel oil pump gear. Thanks
@@jhheintz450 my local ktm dealer, the part numbers are in the description
Hi thanks for the great sharing! Any idea if these revised metal engine oil pump gears can also be used to replace the plastic ones on the LC4 engines of the 2012-2015 KTM Duke 690's?
No problem! You would have to check the part numbers on those to see if they’re compatible, but I doubt it
What was it made of in 2013
awesome information, thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!
Apparently it's not an issue on the 450s. Even though they have the plastic gears.
I was under the impression the 450's have steel gears, but im not 100% sure
Great video! Question, does the 2012 350 EXC-F have the same issue needing to replace the plastic oil pump gears? Thank you so much!!!
I'm unsure as that motor will likely be a different generation
So helpful !!!
excellent clear video!! thank you!!
Thank you!
So will a 2020 fe250 need changing before i buy one
it doesn't "need" doing, likely you may never have an issue with your plastic gears, depending how hard you ride. but if you want the added reliability of steel gears, then you might want to.
They have been using plastic oil pump gears for around 15 years, so has homda in there generator s really hasn't been that much of a problem
It doesn't happen to every bike, but there's been plenty of cases of it happening, for the small cost of the gears themselves its a cheap way to add some reliability
some yamaha bikes also still uses this plastic gears, which is baffling considering is a known weak point in their bikes.
Im sure the engineers had their reasons at the time for the plastic gears, wether it was to save weight or save on manufacturing cost, but I think I speak for everyone when I say id prefer the reliability of steel gears in my engine than it be $10 cheaper or to save 20 grams
So just to confirm.. my new 2024 fe350s does NOT have the plastic gear?? I watched the video anyway.. nice tutorial.
yes the 2024's have steel gears
I heard they changed it for 2020s and after for ktm 350 xcf l sure hope so because I have a 2020 and a 2022
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I just checked the parts diagrams for the 2020 and 2022 XC-F and they both have plastic oil pump gears
@@jackkellybuilds it'd be the upgraded gear P/No ending in '100' (more fibrous plastic).
Do you know if tye newer metal gear can be used in a 2021 instead of the fibrous upgraded plastic rubbish?
@@tikkabrno yes the steel gear can replace either the later model plastic gear or the earlier plastic gear
@@jackkellybuilds thank's Jack 👍 I'll be ordering one this week.
@@jackkellybuildsthanks for the info
Are you aware of the plastic oil pump failure that other models have suffered? There’s a video on here showing a failure, and how to swap to the 450f metal oil pump rotors.
potentially, what other models are you referring to?
I own a KTM enduro bike (300 2 stroke), the list of issues that I've had is 'endless'. My bike is now fully sorted and I love it, having said that I will never own another KTM and I will never recommend KTM as a bike to buy. Their customer care also sucks, many bikes have failed due to the crappy plastic gears, if the bike is one day past its warranty then KTM will just tell you to 'f-off'
This is why in making "Long Way Round" movie Charlie and Ewan got BMW bikes instead of KTM because KTM didnt think their bikes would survive or they could make it through the jorney.
Good example of a good branding though cause they sell alot of KTM's with lesser quality compared to German and Japanese makers :)
Which year model 300 do you own ? TPi I'm guessing?
@@Superdisco199 Its a 2013 EXC
do you have bearing shift arm from factory pro ?
I dont think so...
where can I get it
your local KTM, Husqvarna or Gasgas parts dealer
Is this needed on a 2023 gas gas mc350?
No the 23 models already have the steel gears
I believe the 690 engine still has plastic gears!
Fortunately the chances are low on a 690 because I wouldn’t imagine anyone getting one of those hot enough to warp the gear, but a steel gear would be a nice redundancy to have
I got a brand new Peugeot citystar 125 scooter, paid 4k for it
2000 later this plastic gear shattered which totally destroyed the engine in a matter of seconds,
That’s unfortunate
Can I ask you a question about my 2018 KTM
sure!
Was draining the oil and a broken C clip came out on the oil, where do you think is from?
Don’t know if that’s the right name for it but one just like the one you took off from the plastic sprocket, is it possible it could be from there or is there others inside?
@@bismarcktorres8747 yeah its possible it could be from one of the oil pump gears, I would inspect to see if that's where it came from before you continue to ride it
@@jackkellybuilds if it is from that gear, do I need to take apart the clutch assembly to install a new clip? 😬 hopefully not
I've got a few thousand hours on the 15+ ktms and never even heard of this. How many people have actually had one fail? My 25 year old garden tractor has a plastic camshaft gear and that piece of shit still keeps going lol. Why shouldn't this gear last as long, turning that tiny little oil pump?
If you have 450's, its because they have steel gears. This issue might not happen to everyone's 250 and 350's, but there's plenty of cases of people blowing up their engine due to these gears failing. Its not the torque through the gears that's an issue, it the gears failing due to excessive heat if the bike is really being pushed
@@jackkellybuilds Fair enough, well if you've got it happening in your area, good on ya for letting people know. I'm just a little weary of these sort of claims that pop up often in the moto world. You can find a snake oil salesman selling dozens of parts for every make and model of bike out there, claiming the manufacturer is stupid and screwed it up, and just beaming to sell you parts turned on a lathe in some dank garage, or a cnc machine in China, to fix it... I know you're not selling anything like that here so again good on ya and hope my comment wasn't too cunty... I've been off the bike for a few weeks so.............
@@jetmuchacho I get your point here. Just because they went plastic doesn't mean it was their choice. To source these gears could have cut into their profits at the time, who knows. Over-molding is always cheaper than cutting gears from solid so the theory holds up fine.
Plastic in hot oil is always a disaster .
I’m sure they had their reasons initially to use plastic, but it took them too long to rectify a known issue
@@jackkellybuilds Yeah, the reason is to lose weight, not much help when your engine has locked up!
@@jackkellybuilds How much do they weigh ? the fanboys always tossing on O how much do they weigh marketing , plastic bikes.
Sounds like some steady business for the factory service department eh
These bike shuck
🦪?
Arroant manufacturer , how many years have they been linning Mechanics bank accounts , how about the Estart probllllems run fr over 10 years . This man says thankyou ktm for metal pump gears so blidt fanboys.
Say what you want about ktm, but I am definitely no fanboy, otherwise I wouldn't make this video pointing out an issue with their bikes and how to fix it with the purpose of helping others.
Hey there does husqvarna 350 fe 2017 year have the same plastic gears?