Dan + Gretsch + Halcyon was a really great sound. When Mick switched it off briefly, it sounded almost dead, then magic when he turned it back on. Great job Dan!
Gents, we need more comparisons like this done by you. THANK YOU for providing a true CONTEXT ecosystem throughout your years of consistency to actually give us accurate comparisons and demonstrations of pedals and sound combinations.
Fabulous playing and tones gentleman. The TS1 and DRRI amp combo make a very inspiring tone foundation. To everyone on this fabulous Tone Journey...Long May You Run...Cheers!
You were killing it with the Tone City pedal Dan. That extra top end sounded great with your tele. Great playing from both of you guys. I appreciate great players when I hear them. Best show on UA-cam. Thanks
I really really love the halcyon with my tele. I don’t play strats as often but do use my tele a lot. And switch between the halcyon and an nordland odr-c (odr1 )and just got a Kingsley harlot. . I actually notice the dry blend more useful when you have the drive set pretty high and less at lower gain settings. I keep finding new ways to tweak the halcyon all the time. Great show as always guys
See I don’t understand in using the TS as a boost. Especially going into the MG. I’ve done it doesn’t change anything. Flipping the switch on the MG makes more of a difference. The one on the side too. How big of a venue are you playing that you have to boost an MG. I’m just asking cause I hook mine up to to an old JTM45 Marshal that a buddy of mine has, and it rocks. The Marshal amp looks to be 100 years old lol. But it still sounds pretty good.
@@Sailor_Man_Music it’s more about EQ shaping and the mix then gain and distortion level. Same reason I put a klon into my morning glory as a boost - shaping the EQ. But in the end, there’s no right or wrong just what you like
I have an 808 with the same Keeley mod, but the added true bypass. What a sound. It’s been my heavier OD sound stacking into a Lightspeed (formally a Morning Glory) for years now! Crunch of days.
From a total tube screamer noob like me, go ahead and keep making videos celebrating them. I've avoided them for years because I find them too midrangey, but getting to know why they're special is a good thing.
Great sounds, would love to see/hear Mick and Dan swap guitars more to see how Mick shapes the tone of the Tele with his playing style and vice versa with Dan and an Eb Strat!
Mick, you actually are the reason I have a Keeley Red Dirt. When Dan was fiddling with the knobs and switching back and forth you actually said something along the lines of "Where you switching? I couldn't hear the difference." I said, if it sounds good to him, must be a winner. True or not, it's a great drive.
I can definitely see(hear?) why you love Tube Screamers so much Mick! That sounded so awesome just using that pedal (with all knobs at 2 O'clock, of course) into those 2 amps. Great show as always, Cheers Guys!
Tube Screamers are not the right tool to help Dan build the Dan universe. You can analyze the frequencies to figure out why but the bottom line is they do not create Danville. It's as simple as that.
Made do with a Mooer Green Mile for a long time, then bit the bullet & bought an Ibanez Tubescreamer Mini. Tried it for a week & gave up & sold it. Luckily the Mooer hadn’t sold, so went back to it & love it. Just shows that the cheap ones aren’t necessarily crap. Tubescreamers to my ears don’t suit Telecaster bridge pickups, but are glorious with Tele neck pickups. For the bridge pickup I prefer the Nobels ( as do most of Nashville , apparently) Love the show & appreciate what you do
Love your show. Always exciting on Friday mornings to see what you’re gonna cover this week! I’ve been meaning to add this comment for months - How cool would it be if you gave us a shot of the amp dials to see how the amps are set up? Very few folks on YT do this; it would differentiate you and massively help us watchers to see how you get these glorious tones out of the amps you use! When you mention the amps, give a shot of the settings. Simple! Thanks for considering.
It is, indeed, still the king. Honestly though, in my experience, once the amp's cooking, the little differences between examples of any category of pedal matter a lot less. A lower noise floor, a quieter footswitch, more sturdy jacks and pots, better looks might be worth paying more for, but $300 (more than the Kernom Ridge) for the Halcyon is cramming-spaghetti-in-your-eye-sockets crazy considering how well the budget option fared in this comparison. YMM inevitably V. EDIT: Excellent work per your usual, guys! Thanks for all your hard work!
Lee Anderton has clearly put out an all staff memo to include a Tone City pedal in time for Christmas! Glad to see Mick and Dan give a fair review… which is why I watch this show!
🤣 Between Beato's mafia colluding with a few sattelite guys in the US, The Andertons Association in the UK and cross-pollination between the two it's practically a New World Order style capitalist conspiracy. 🤫🇺🇸🇬🇧🇪🇺
Wow! Nothing less than a bit of “Don’t Give Up” by Mr 335, mr Larry Carlton himself!!! ❤❤❤ ok, two things: 1) that Gretsch sound spectacular! I have a Japanese Gretsch with a couple of Brian Setzer Hot Rod from TV Jones and it works rreeeallly great; 2) Moxie and 335 sounds sooooo Dumblish, really Carlton world! However, It's been a long time since I've seen you so entertained, I was very pleased!! And love you unconditionally!!❤❤❤❤❤❤
I used to have multiple “tubescreamers”. I had a definite favorite with my rig. I then went a different direction, and switched main amps. I now only have one tubescreamer and rarely use it. Every piece of gear is entirely dependent on the rest of your setup, from strings, to speaker.
if anyone's interested in a pretty heavily modified and not too expensive "boutique" tube screamer, hungry robot's "mosfet screamer" is usually floating around on reverb for less than $200.
I love that, whenever it gets painfully loud in the room, Dan always ends up playing licks that will make the pain the worst it can be (often the double stops up around the 13th fret) - his signature song should be “Hurts So Good”!
The Xotic BB preamp is a tube screamer and massively underrated as such. I know most people think it's a blues breaker-style pedal, but the circuit is an almost perfect copy of the TS circuit with a Baxendall tonestack tagged on after a fixed value tone resistor and bigger value gain pot for more drive. Dan can keep his tele top end, and dial the mud out of the low end.
All it takes to make a Tube Screamer style pedal decent in my opinion is a proper EQ stack. I find it absolutely ridiculous in this day and age that companies will still put out drive pedals with just a tone knob, and the public goes mad for them.
Some of us are simple minded and like the directness of a tone knob. I admire those who want more granularity but personally I want as few things to tweak as possible 😊
@@thedadbodproject1436 I agree. Not every pedal will suit everyone, some people will like more control but again, the designer builds what they like for that pedal, which is of course informed by precedent too. A lot of varying tones can come from one knob, (which on pedals are not usually the basic passive high cut like in guitars) and can be quite complex.
@@StevenHadfield As far as I know, no. The Bad Monkey is not Tube screamer based and the tone controls are different and in different parts of the circuit.
Cheers chaps. While the world may not need another tubescreamer it certainly needs more Mick playing 335 with the Moxie, voice switch on. Commanding tone with this amp combination.
I have bought about 7-8 Tube Screamers and sound alikes from late 70s - now. I never found MY sound, even i wanted to because i bought the pedal. My overdrive world opend up with Bluebreaker and Klon style ODs. And my biggest surprise came when i got a TC MojoMojo, the first time i was totally pleased with my sound. Even i own two Ibanez TSA 30 tube amps, i never use the built in TubeScreamers, but they are a great clean platforms with a clean built in incredible Boost function. So no more TS experiments for me.
Just ordered myself an Analogman modded TS-9DX with the silver and clean mods as a Christmas treat. I'm really excited about the prospect of a more transparent tube screamer with clean boost modes as well.
TS-9s have worked for me every day since I first tried one in 1982. Still have one (or a clone) on my board everyday. It’s hard to overstate how good a Tubescreamer can be.
Like TS mini too! Wish there was a trim pot for amount of distortion though or maybe I’m not setting it up correctly. Even at 1 it has so much gain (distortion) that it can be a tad unwieldy at times. Perhaps pre-compressor / earlier in the chain, or even effects loop? Sorry to hijack your comment!
I know that there seems to be a consensus that maybe we don't need another TS style pedal. However, between the playing you do, the guitars, amps and gear you have, what a great opportunity this is to hear these little differences and nuances in such a high fidelity experience! I love it and I learned so many great things. I have a tele and hb guitar (uh, it's a Hello Kitty strat from kids years ago - but is ace), but am a strat guy. My TS is a Soul Driver (I know, "economy" kind of clon-ish thing) and a SD1w. As much as I loved all of this, I am happy to find out I am happy with my own version - but I love yours!!! Did I mention the playing? LOVE IT!!!!!
My favorite tube screamers (and I've owned many): TRADITIONAL - Retro-sonic, like an 808 a bit more presence, but still very faithful. MY FAVORITE - TS-9B - bass tube screamer, has mix control and bass/treble controls - really great for guitar. Maybe That Pedal Show could do a show on bass pedals for guitar?
I recently sent my TS-808 off to Analogman for the “Silver” upgrade. It came back with a certain special “something” that makes it less eardrum-breakingly-nasal-sounding. Those mids can be so potent! Great work, once again, Gentlemen! Peace!
Thats why, people like Dan "connect-more" with the Moxie or Halcyon - some of those nasal-mids are capable of being tweaked. So perhaps we do need more TS pedals ??? (it never ends)
Never been a fan of Tube Screamers as well, in regards to Dan, since I mainly gravitate towards my Tele’s, but this episode really open my ears to the possibilities.
@@maxpeck4154 Fuzz is more accurate to the sound if you crank an old tube amp to its breaking point. Listen to to someone demoing a Fender Tweed Deluxe and then someone demoing a fuzz like a Fuzz Face. Almost identical. That’s it’s appeal for me and probably for others. Tube Screamer type pedals attempt to create a “corrected” driven amp sound, where the bass is cut so it’s not flubbing out, and the treble is cut, and everything is “tight” and mids focused. To me TS pedals sound nothing like the real sound of a cranked amp; it’s flat and 2 dimensional sounding. Each appeals to different people.
@@darwinsaye Exactly. You're probably right about fuzz. It's all subjective. I played black Fenders for years with a TS and thought it was the best thing on earth until I heard and actual overdriven amp in person. Bought a low wattage combo with power scaling/voltage regulator (NOT an attenuator) and haven't used a single pedal since except for reverb. I'll never go back to getting my tone from pedals. Don't need 'em.
@@maxpeck4154 For what it's worth, IMO fuzz face style fuzzes into already overdriving amps is pretty much the fuzz happy place, so given your current setup it might be worth trying a fuzz face style fuzz in front (especially if you roll your volume knob on your guitar to clean it up) - truly glorious tones await!
I feel compelled to come on here and say i should have got the tube screamer from the damn start. The boss is ok. I know they have a similar tone, but the clarity and crispness you get from that tube screamer. The sustain is fantastic. There was always something i didn't like about my guitar sound. Now i know it's because i didn't have the tube screamer. All because i thought i couldn't be that much better. I was wrong. That's the sound I've been looking for.
Mick, we need Robbie McIntosh in the show! Whatta killer player and whatta great career. That would be a great gift for us. Btw you promised that two years ago dad 🦉
What do you think about an idea of video all about differences in dynamics of pickups. something like full deep comparison between single coil and P90, than mini humbackers and full size vs active EMG you can use your magnificant Marshall and some touch sensitive drives to check what is what. anyway I wish all of you and your family merry Christmas
Without new screamer vids it'd be hard to justify buying new screamers. I have four; two because of your demos, one because of Kirk Fletcher's spot on your show and a fourth because prime numbers make me queasy. Gonna have to get that Halcyon...and then another because five cannot be divided by a whole number other than one and itself.
i still love blue? and would love as many blues driver videos as there are tube screamer videos. i also love any color fuzz comes in and we need every fuzz video possible with fuzz in all the wrong places.
Totally agree with Mick...I bought the Hudson Broadcast and then the Sidecar as an afterthought. Wow. Love the Broadcast but the Sidecar blew me away. It is by far my favourite overdrive. So much character and feel, equally good with humbuckers and single coils. Hard to put it into words, you just need to play it.
I recently(three days ago) found a Redbox Timmy, which I thought was cool because I rarely see it in red. I think I’ve found my *perfect* OD. I love the setting with the toggle on the “up” position. Bass cut off, treble cut at like 9 o’clock, gain around 10 o’clock volume at 2. I follow it up with the new Duke of Tone set on the boost setting, gain all the way down tone at moon volume at around 3 closer to 4 o’clock. All going into the front of my blues jr set to just before the start of breaking up for my “dry” side. My other amp is a vibrolux with reverb and space echo delay, a Julia, and a Uni-Vibe because I like when it’s doing it’s thing. Though I tend to use the amps vibrolo much more often….. again, sorry about the bad news, didn’t mean to be a Debbie Downer.
Is yours the red sparkle version? I have one…they were a special run for Mass Street Music. Best OD I’ve ever owned, I’ll try your settings. I tend to use it with toggle in the middle and all knobs around 10 o’clock
@@kylebollendorf4856 no, mines just like a candy apple red V2. Got it for a steal from my local shop. Apparently a guy came in with around 50 pedals and they called me up and let me know to get first dibs and gave me a fantastic deal on a few of them. I love having that relationship with a local retailer. It helps that I’ve bought both a Gibson CS 335 and a CS strat in the past six months from them and that vintage drip edge vibrolux. A quick note, I was playing my strat with those settings. I’m more where you are at while playing anything with humbuckers. Though I still like the volume at around two. It’s just over parity with the amp volume.
Yes tube screamers have their respective place, however it becomes like shuffling the deck a bit too much and a captive audience has already antied up. I'd love to see some shows on how groups of pedals gang up in front of what amplifier to obtain gliss, bliss with limited hiss. Mick you make the screamer come alive with your zeal and playing style much like some of my all time favorites axemen, jolly good on you. Dan I'm hoping with your expertise my dream show will come true. Carry on ladds.
I feel that a tube screamer works well in older fender amps when there was bass and treble and a fixed mid point but to mid focused in amps witha controlable mids range just my honest opinion
That strat/TS tone at start of the video was absolutely fantastic! Who wouldn't want that sound?? Having said that, I'm not sure if this is where Dan is coming from, but there are times when the TS doesn't quite do it, and I don't have the vocab to explain why. Just to give one example of many, say you're going after the Thin Lizzy sound from the Live and Dangerous era, I don't think the TS does it (but happy to be proven incorrect on that one).
I basically have four Tube Screamers in my rig. Lol A TS9 on the board going into a Sparkle Drive, eventually going to a BB Preamp and I'm running an A/B box. Amp 2 is an old Supro with a TS 808 Mini and a Trem pedal. Lol 😂. With everything else on my board, the combination sounds fantastic.
Classic tone is Strat, Fender, tube screamer (SRV). Strat, fuzz face, Marshall (Hendrix). Most guitar players love and respect these. I own both of the tones and it is just really special to play behind in all it's glory.
I'll bite on the thumbnail - I struggle to replace the bog standard 808 to push high gain amps. Even fake 808s as found in the Boss MS3, Quad Cortex and even the iPad app ToneStack, all do it well, maybe not as well as a real one, but it's the 808 for me!
I love me the ol’ classic screamer.... but I HATE that bit of clean bleed it lets through so I can only use it to stack, or into an already broken up or dirty amp. When I stack it kills just a bit too much low end for my taste too... That moxie fixes my issues with it with Brian’s genius touches. May have to grab one...
After 20 years of playing guitar, I finally got a tube screamer. But I only paid $50 for a TS7, since I’ve begun collecting Ibanez 7-series pedals, and figured why not. I agree with Dan: I’ve never been a fan of the TS sound, despite borrowing friends’ pedals for extended try-outs.
Dan, are you able to explain melodically what is going on with the motif you are using here at 36:46? I hear it a lot in Chris Bucks playing, and it is of course awesome!
Sorry, the world really doesn't need another one! Do a video on the SLO Soldano! The first distortion that I can use with a fender clean, where I don't need to mess around too much with the controls! It's a beast!
Excellent episode guys! I’d love to hear you demo the Jekyll and Hyde by visual sound. A TS808 with bass boost switch and a shredmaster on the other side!
I like the TS-9 more than the TS-808 and my favourite version is the Maxon OD-9. It sounds exactly like my old TS-9 from 1983 and has the same housing.
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Mick, you are a hell of a player. Love it!
Thank you kindly!
Indeed!
A play of a heller.
Dan + Gretsch + Halcyon was a really great sound. When Mick switched it off briefly, it sounded almost dead, then magic when he turned it back on. Great job Dan!
Gents, we need more comparisons like this done by you. THANK YOU for providing a true CONTEXT ecosystem throughout your years of consistency to actually give us accurate comparisons and demonstrations of pedals and sound combinations.
Fabulous playing and tones gentleman. The TS1 and DRRI amp combo make a very inspiring tone foundation. To everyone on this fabulous Tone Journey...Long May You Run...Cheers!
You were killing it with the Tone City pedal Dan. That extra top end sounded great with your tele. Great playing from both of you guys. I appreciate great players when I hear them. Best show on UA-cam.
Thanks
Drives me nuts when Ed O’Brien doesn’t return stuff.
Frikkin great comment! And an even better screen name! Thank you:)
I really really love the halcyon with my tele. I don’t play strats as often but do use my tele a lot. And switch between the halcyon and an nordland odr-c (odr1 )and just got a Kingsley harlot. . I actually notice the dry blend more useful when you have the drive set pretty high and less at lower gain settings. I keep finding new ways to tweak the halcyon all the time. Great show as always guys
I use my tube screamer as a boost volume cranked gain all the way down sounds great stacked with my morning glory. Love the videos thanks guys!
This is how I use it - otherwise it’s too much for me
See I don’t understand in using the TS as a boost. Especially going into the MG. I’ve done it doesn’t change anything. Flipping the switch on the MG makes more of a difference. The one on the side too. How big of a venue are you playing that you have to boost an MG. I’m just asking cause I hook mine up to to an old JTM45 Marshal that a buddy of mine has, and it rocks. The Marshal amp looks to be 100 years old lol. But it still sounds pretty good.
@@Sailor_Man_Music it’s more about EQ shaping and the mix then gain and distortion level. Same reason I put a klon into my morning glory as a boost - shaping the EQ. But in the end, there’s no right or wrong just what you like
@@nickwinkler8231 ok I’ll have to revisit this combo again and see if my opinion doesn’t change.
@@Sailor_Man_Music if nothing else, you get to play more guitar 😁
Another inspiring video guys! And good timing - I just put my TS808 back on my board yesterday. What a great pedal :)
I have an 808 with the same Keeley mod, but the added true bypass. What a sound. It’s been my heavier OD sound stacking into a Lightspeed (formally a Morning Glory) for years now! Crunch of days.
I have that one too… prefer this one. OUCH :0) but then some days not. Argh! :0)
@@ThatPedalShow I’d love to hear the difference side by side in person!
I love how you just casually mention that you lent the Sidecar to Ed O’Brien like it’s no big deal 😂
From a total tube screamer noob like me, go ahead and keep making videos celebrating them. I've avoided them for years because I find them too midrangey, but getting to know why they're special is a good thing.
Great sounds, would love to see/hear Mick and Dan swap guitars more to see how Mick shapes the tone of the Tele with his playing style and vice versa with Dan and an Eb Strat!
Mick, you actually are the reason I have a Keeley Red Dirt. When Dan was fiddling with the knobs and switching back and forth you actually said something along the lines of "Where you switching? I couldn't hear the difference." I said, if it sounds good to him, must be a winner. True or not, it's a great drive.
Lusting for that little Two Rock, again. So good. I have to make that happen in 2023!
Just bought a D&M Drive as a Christmas gift to myself. Happy Holidays to both you and your families.
I commented on the "Beh Byow" a month ago? It's back, and it once again has me tight in the trousers. You even made it whistle! Mick, you savage ❤😂
I can definitely see(hear?) why you love Tube Screamers so much Mick! That sounded so awesome just using that pedal (with all knobs at 2 O'clock, of course) into those 2 amps. Great show as always, Cheers Guys!
Thank you! Yep, that’s my jam right there. :0)
That Gretsch Dan an the tube screamerish sound was awesome !!!....your finger technique an style with that sound was killer
Tube Screamers are not the right tool to help Dan build the Dan universe. You can analyze the frequencies to figure out why but the bottom line is they do not create Danville. It's as simple as that.
Danville?! I grew up near there in California. Interesting. 🤔
Made do with a Mooer Green Mile for a long time, then bit the bullet & bought an Ibanez Tubescreamer Mini. Tried it for a week & gave up & sold it. Luckily the Mooer hadn’t sold, so went back to it & love it. Just shows that the cheap ones aren’t necessarily crap. Tubescreamers to my ears don’t suit Telecaster bridge pickups, but are glorious with Tele neck pickups. For the bridge pickup I prefer the Nobels ( as do most of Nashville
, apparently) Love the show & appreciate what you do
Love your show. Always exciting on Friday mornings to see what you’re gonna cover this week! I’ve been meaning to add this comment for months - How cool would it be if you gave us a shot of the amp dials to see how the amps are set up? Very few folks on YT do this; it would differentiate you and massively help us watchers to see how you get these glorious tones out of the amps you use! When you mention the amps, give a shot of the settings. Simple! Thanks for considering.
Great playing Mick! Happy Holidays! See ya Monday!
It is, indeed, still the king. Honestly though, in my experience, once the amp's cooking, the little differences between examples of any category of pedal matter a lot less. A lower noise floor, a quieter footswitch, more sturdy jacks and pots, better looks might be worth paying more for, but $300 (more than the Kernom Ridge) for the Halcyon is cramming-spaghetti-in-your-eye-sockets crazy considering how well the budget option fared in this comparison. YMM inevitably V.
EDIT: Excellent work per your usual, guys! Thanks for all your hard work!
Lee Anderton has clearly put out an all staff memo to include a Tone City pedal in time for Christmas! Glad to see Mick and Dan give a fair review… which is why I watch this show!
Gotta do what the boss says….
🤣 Between Beato's mafia colluding with a few sattelite guys in the US, The Andertons Association in the UK and cross-pollination between the two it's practically a New World Order style capitalist conspiracy. 🤫🇺🇸🇬🇧🇪🇺
Wow! Nothing less than a bit of “Don’t Give Up” by Mr 335, mr Larry Carlton himself!!! ❤❤❤ ok, two things:
1) that Gretsch sound spectacular! I have a Japanese Gretsch with a couple of Brian Setzer Hot Rod from TV Jones and it works rreeeallly great;
2) Moxie and 335 sounds sooooo Dumblish, really Carlton world!
However, It's been a long time since I've seen you so entertained, I was very pleased!! And love you unconditionally!!❤❤❤❤❤❤
I used to have multiple “tubescreamers”. I had a definite favorite with my rig. I then went a different direction, and switched main amps. I now only have one tubescreamer and rarely use it. Every piece of gear is entirely dependent on the rest of your setup, from strings, to speaker.
Don’t forget the pick too! That 50p piece of plastic is probably the most tone:money ratio anywhere in the rig! Haha
@@rdb9936 very true
Fender Amp, TS, Eb strat pure magic
Glorious playing Dan with that Gretsch. Singing!
if anyone's interested in a pretty heavily modified and not too expensive "boutique" tube screamer, hungry robot's "mosfet screamer" is usually floating around on reverb for less than $200.
I love that, whenever it gets painfully loud in the room, Dan always ends up playing licks that will make the pain the worst it can be (often the double stops up around the 13th fret) - his signature song should be “Hurts So Good”!
This world needs more inspiration, and I am all for more tools that get us there.
agreed
Duly noted, except there's no pedal for that.😁
@@mleon1958 I call Bullshit man ;)
Well said, sir!
I got the tube screamer mini. Covers all my needs. Bought it after the glowing review on the show
The Xotic BB preamp is a tube screamer and massively underrated as such. I know most people think it's a blues breaker-style pedal, but the circuit is an almost perfect copy of the TS circuit with a Baxendall tonestack tagged on after a fixed value tone resistor and bigger value gain pot for more drive. Dan can keep his tele top end, and dial the mud out of the low end.
All it takes to make a Tube Screamer style pedal decent in my opinion is a proper EQ stack. I find it absolutely ridiculous in this day and age that companies will still put out drive pedals with just a tone knob, and the public goes mad for them.
Some of us are simple minded and like the directness of a tone knob. I admire those who want more granularity but personally I want as few things to tweak as possible 😊
@@thedadbodproject1436 I agree. Not every pedal will suit everyone, some people will like more control but again, the designer builds what they like for that pedal, which is of course informed by precedent too. A lot of varying tones can come from one knob, (which on pedals are not usually the basic passive high cut like in guitars) and can be quite complex.
Presumably very similar to the Digitech Bad Monkey then.
@@StevenHadfield As far as I know, no. The Bad Monkey is not Tube screamer based and the tone controls are different and in different parts of the circuit.
Cheers chaps. While the world may not need another tubescreamer it certainly needs more Mick playing 335 with the Moxie, voice switch on. Commanding tone with this amp combination.
I have bought about 7-8 Tube Screamers and sound alikes from late 70s - now.
I never found MY sound, even i wanted to because i bought the pedal. My overdrive world opend up with Bluebreaker and Klon style ODs.
And my biggest surprise came when i got a TC MojoMojo, the first time i was totally pleased with my sound.
Even i own two Ibanez TSA 30 tube amps, i never use the built in TubeScreamers, but they are a great clean platforms with a clean built in incredible Boost function.
So no more TS experiments for me.
hahahahahaha
Mick: there's a lot of RF noise today
also Mick: let's grab some P90!
I was only rewatching the episodes where you swapped out the pickups in that PRS yesterday, great sounding guitar. Cheers lads
Another phenomenal TS pedal is the Vandae Electronics Green Jealousy. Beautifully made, and sounds fantastic
I always look forward to your videos.
Just ordered myself an Analogman modded TS-9DX with the silver and clean mods as a Christmas treat. I'm really excited about the prospect of a more transparent tube screamer with clean boost modes as well.
TS-9s have worked for me every day since I first tried one in 1982. Still have one (or a clone) on my board everyday. It’s hard to overstate how good a Tubescreamer can be.
A plain old tube screamer mini works for me! Cheers Dan and Mick!!
Still the most open & Articulate- that I've ever heard. oNe LovE from NYC
We like it too. Had it in videos before where it’s //very// similar to my 808!
Like TS mini too! Wish there was a trim pot for amount of distortion though or maybe I’m not setting it up correctly. Even at 1 it has so much gain (distortion) that it can be a tad unwieldy at times.
Perhaps pre-compressor / earlier in the chain, or even effects loop?
Sorry to hijack your comment!
@That Pedal Show , Here's a Q for you Mick. If your 808 went down & you needed that TS sound for the gig, do you go Mini TS or The Moxie?
I know that there seems to be a consensus that maybe we don't need another TS style pedal. However, between the playing you do, the guitars, amps and gear you have, what a great opportunity this is to hear these little differences and nuances in such a high fidelity experience! I love it and I learned so many great things. I have a tele and hb guitar (uh, it's a Hello Kitty strat from kids years ago - but is ace), but am a strat guy. My TS is a Soul Driver (I know, "economy" kind of clon-ish thing) and a SD1w. As much as I loved all of this, I am happy to find out I am happy with my own version - but I love yours!!! Did I mention the playing? LOVE IT!!!!!
The world always needs another tubescreamer, then we get a tubescreamer video, which reminds us to stick our old tubescreamer back on the board. 😂
Both of these guys are such great players
My favorite tube screamers (and I've owned many): TRADITIONAL - Retro-sonic, like an 808 a bit more presence, but still very faithful. MY FAVORITE - TS-9B - bass tube screamer, has mix control and bass/treble controls - really great for guitar. Maybe That Pedal Show could do a show on bass pedals for guitar?
I never could be bored with a Strat into a tube screamer!
44:32 I could see a parallel blend with another drive circuit as another place TS pedals could go.
I recently sent my TS-808 off to Analogman for the “Silver” upgrade. It came back with a certain special “something” that makes it less eardrum-breakingly-nasal-sounding. Those mids can be so potent! Great work, once again, Gentlemen! Peace!
Thats why, people like Dan "connect-more" with the Moxie or Halcyon - some of those nasal-mids are capable of being tweaked. So perhaps we do need more TS pedals ??? (it never ends)
I just turn the tone knob down🤷♂️
Never been a fan of Tube Screamers as well, in regards to Dan, since I mainly gravitate towards my Tele’s, but this episode really open my ears to the possibilities.
Fender should be doing a reissue of that 1970 gold strat!! What a gem. Great playing Mick.
Thanks Mark! Please ignore that other comment - it was spam!
😆Hence my very Australian comment back to the spam!! Merry Christmas to all of you at TPS and thanks for all you do.
Thanks as always, but so sorry you didn't include the Bad Monkey which has a high and low control. I love mine!
For me " My Way Huge green Rhino is the ultimate . It ,Too has the Frequency adjustments to shape with . Mick, thanks for playing the 70 strat 😉😁
I prefer the MkII and MkV Green Rhino circuits. I find them much more open sounding and less compressed than the original or the MkIV.
The world's reached peak tube screamer. What it needs is more love, however you can never have too many fuzz or analogue delay pedals
I am apparently allergic to fuzz. Sincerely. I don't get it, don't like it, will never use it.
@@maxpeck4154 Fuzz is more accurate to the sound if you crank an old tube amp to its breaking point. Listen to to someone demoing a Fender Tweed Deluxe and then someone demoing a fuzz like a Fuzz Face. Almost identical. That’s it’s appeal for me and probably for others. Tube Screamer type pedals attempt to create a “corrected” driven amp sound, where the bass is cut so it’s not flubbing out, and the treble is cut, and everything is “tight” and mids focused. To me TS pedals sound nothing like the real sound of a cranked amp; it’s flat and 2 dimensional sounding. Each appeals to different people.
@@darwinsaye Exactly. You're probably right about fuzz. It's all subjective. I played black Fenders for years with a TS and thought it was the best thing on earth until I heard and actual overdriven amp in person. Bought a low wattage combo with power scaling/voltage regulator (NOT an attenuator) and haven't used a single pedal since except for reverb. I'll never go back to getting my tone from pedals. Don't need 'em.
@@maxpeck4154 For what it's worth, IMO fuzz face style fuzzes into already overdriving amps is pretty much the fuzz happy place, so given your current setup it might be worth trying a fuzz face style fuzz in front (especially if you roll your volume knob on your guitar to clean it up) - truly glorious tones await!
@@cowieson I do have a fuzz pedal (it was a gift). Perhaps I'll try that
I feel compelled to come on here and say i should have got the tube screamer from the damn start. The boss is ok. I know they have a similar tone, but the clarity and crispness you get from that tube screamer. The sustain is fantastic. There was always something i didn't like about my guitar sound. Now i know it's because i didn't have the tube screamer. All because i thought i couldn't be that much better. I was wrong. That's the sound I've been looking for.
(We don’t need it but c’mon we want it) Best green thing I’ve heard in a while is the Nordvang Gravity- I bet that would warm Mick’s mid-pushed heart!
Mick, we need Robbie McIntosh in the show! Whatta killer player and whatta great career. That would be a great gift for us. Btw you promised that two years ago dad 🦉
What do you think about an idea of video all about differences in dynamics of pickups. something
like full deep comparison between single coil and P90, than mini humbackers and full size vs active EMG
you can use your magnificant Marshall and some touch sensitive drives to check what is what.
anyway I wish all of you and your family merry Christmas
That strat is beauty!!
I chuffin’ love you blokes. Nuff said
Without new screamer vids it'd be hard to justify buying new screamers. I have four; two because of your demos, one because of Kirk Fletcher's spot on your show and a fourth because prime numbers make me queasy. Gonna have to get that Halcyon...and then another because five cannot be divided by a whole number other than one and itself.
Hahaha! You’re so welcome here and among likemindeds. Brother!
Oh Wow...Y'all be back! , yay!
i still love blue? and would love as many blues driver videos as there are tube screamer videos. i also love any color fuzz comes in and we need every fuzz video possible with fuzz in all the wrong places.
On fire intro playing. Best ever by mick.(dans best ever was on the blue es330 at ATB - shoulda bought that old stick Dan)
Love the playing guys!
Cheers mate
Around 15:30 - the TS has more bite off the pick. It punches through more...
I had a TS808 for decades. A pedal that absolutely nails that sound is the Biyang OD8. Not new, not expensive and definitely not hip.
The Byiang???
Also have the biyang or a version of it with 3 modes and you can even swap the chips out if you want. Does the job as do many green flavoured pedals.
Totally agree with Mick...I bought the Hudson Broadcast and then the Sidecar as an afterthought. Wow. Love the Broadcast but the Sidecar blew me away. It is by far my favourite overdrive. So much character and feel, equally good with humbuckers and single coils.
Hard to put it into words, you just need to play it.
I recently(three days ago) found a Redbox Timmy, which I thought was cool because I rarely see it in red. I think I’ve found my *perfect* OD. I love the setting with the toggle on the “up” position. Bass cut off, treble cut at like 9 o’clock, gain around 10 o’clock volume at 2. I follow it up with the new Duke of Tone set on the boost setting, gain all the way down tone at moon volume at around 3 closer to 4 o’clock. All going into the front of my blues jr set to just before the start of breaking up for my “dry” side. My other amp is a vibrolux with reverb and space echo delay, a Julia, and a Uni-Vibe because I like when it’s doing it’s thing. Though I tend to use the amps vibrolo much more often….. again, sorry about the bad news, didn’t mean to be a Debbie Downer.
Is yours the red sparkle version? I have one…they were a special run for Mass Street Music. Best OD I’ve ever owned, I’ll try your settings. I tend to use it with toggle in the middle and all knobs around 10 o’clock
@@kylebollendorf4856 no, mines just like a candy apple red V2. Got it for a steal from my local shop. Apparently a guy came in with around 50 pedals and they called me up and let me know to get first dibs and gave me a fantastic deal on a few of them. I love having that relationship with a local retailer. It helps that I’ve bought both a Gibson CS 335 and a CS strat in the past six months from them and that vintage drip edge vibrolux. A quick note, I was playing my strat with those settings. I’m more where you are at while playing anything with humbuckers. Though I still like the volume at around two. It’s just over parity with the amp volume.
I need more of that jet. It's my favorite guitar on the show.
Such a cool guitar innit. Mick here. :0)
Yes tube screamers have their respective place, however it becomes like shuffling the deck a bit too much and a captive audience has already antied up. I'd love to see some shows on how groups of pedals gang up in front of what amplifier to obtain gliss, bliss with limited hiss. Mick you make the screamer come alive with your zeal and playing style much like some of my all time favorites axemen, jolly good on you. Dan I'm hoping with your expertise my dream show will come true. Carry on ladds.
My goodness! That Gretsch sounds so good!
I know it's not the same thing, but the Nobels ODR1 has gone to the top of my gain tree
I feel that a tube screamer works well in older fender amps when there was bass and treble and a fixed mid point but to mid focused in amps witha controlable mids range just my honest opinion
I struggle with the TS pedals as well. The Keeley Aria (Comp and Red Dirt) helped me get over it with the compressor in front.
The sound possiblities are endless!!!!!
21:00 is the “bustier position” how you get the lead tone for Dr. Frank N. Furter?
Let’s see what’s on the slab!
That strat/TS tone at start of the video was absolutely fantastic! Who wouldn't want that sound?? Having said that, I'm not sure if this is where Dan is coming from, but there are times when the TS doesn't quite do it, and I don't have the vocab to explain why. Just to give one example of many, say you're going after the Thin Lizzy sound from the Live and Dangerous era, I don't think the TS does it (but happy to be proven incorrect on that one).
I would 100 per cent agree with that. You need something much more sizzly and Marshall like! Mick here.
The vids you've done recently with that Two Rock as one of the amps have all sounded killer. That's a great sounding amp.
I basically have four Tube Screamers in my rig. Lol A TS9 on the board going into a Sparkle Drive, eventually going to a BB Preamp and I'm running an A/B box. Amp 2 is an old Supro with a TS 808 Mini and a Trem pedal. Lol 😂. With everything else on my board, the combination sounds fantastic.
Classic tone is Strat, Fender, tube screamer (SRV). Strat, fuzz face, Marshall (Hendrix). Most guitar players love and respect these. I own both of the tones and it is just really special to play behind in all it's glory.
Us too! Those are the tones!
I have two Behringer TS clones, one for each amp, just for the mids.
Still, the desert island overdrive imo. Although I love experimenting, if it only came down to one, the Tubescreamer circuit is still it for me..
I don’t get on with screamy tubes (except, of course, the real ones) but this was very informative and puckered my interest once more.
I'll bite on the thumbnail - I struggle to replace the bog standard 808 to push high gain amps. Even fake 808s as found in the Boss MS3, Quad Cortex and even the iPad app ToneStack, all do it well, maybe not as well as a real one, but it's the 808 for me!
I love me the ol’ classic screamer.... but I HATE that bit of clean bleed it lets through so I can only use it to stack, or into an already broken up or dirty amp. When I stack it kills just a bit too much low end for my taste too...
That moxie fixes my issues with it with Brian’s genius touches. May have to grab one...
After 20 years of playing guitar, I finally got a tube screamer. But I only paid $50 for a TS7, since I’ve begun collecting Ibanez 7-series pedals, and figured why not.
I agree with Dan: I’ve never been a fan of the TS sound, despite borrowing friends’ pedals for extended try-outs.
Great video as always lads. I agree with Mick that amp is just insanely good 🔥🔥🔥
I love me a tube screamer BUT let's be honest, the world doesn't need another tube screamer!
with one caveat... unless they are gonna give to us all for free. :D. haha.
It doesn’t need one, but it wants one!
Blasphemy haha
Why?
This may be one of those OTHER instances where the world doesn’t get what it needs, it gets what it wants.
You guys have to check out the Earthquaker Devices Plumes. Cool TS style pedal for good money
TS love there is your next Tshirt lol merry Xmas love you guys.
Xmas show, Santa in red shirt and lots of good green stuff in the floor!
I'm saving up for a Two Rock, had a dream a few nights ago about one.
That’s how it started for me. Mick here. 15-ish years later I’m still dreaming about them!
Dan, are you able to explain melodically what is going on with the motif you are using here at 36:46? I hear it a lot in Chris Bucks playing, and it is of course awesome!
TPS sound quality is always top tier, but this one really spoke to me. Am I getting Two Rock GAS? Oh Crap….
Hahaha! Definitely do not watch the Dan Vs Mick One Guitar and One Amp show coming up in a couple of weeks. That will ignite the gas! Hahaha!
Sorry, the world really doesn't need another one! Do a video on the SLO Soldano! The first distortion that I can use with a fender clean, where I don't need to mess around too much with the controls! It's a beast!
Excellent episode guys! I’d love to hear you demo the Jekyll and Hyde by visual sound. A TS808 with bass boost switch and a shredmaster on the other side!
Or the Visual Sound Double Trouble - TWO TS808s side by side... ;-)
LAAAAAAST NITE…SHE SAIIIIIIID
Big component to the Strokes sound!
@@severebash9153 that’s why I bought mine! Love the strokes so much
should have played the Plumes... the tube screamer for those who don't like a tube screamer
I like the TS-9 more than the TS-808 and my favourite version is the Maxon OD-9. It sounds exactly like my old TS-9 from 1983 and has the same housing.