The heavily implied father figure/mentor relationship throughout the years, the age gap, the fact shes his best friend's daughter and son's long time girlfriend just makes the sex scene all the more creepy lol
Actually that was the reason Dick quit being Robin in the cartoon. At least in the comics that continued the DCAU. In the Batman Beyond 2.0 comics that continued the cartoon there was an story which introduced Nightwing to that era with a few flashbacks in which Barbara and Bruce slept together behind Dick's back and she got pregnant, the timing of which meant Nightwing couldn't be the father (followed by a miscarriage). The story gets out and Dick leaves Gotham because of it. And when the story comes out in Neo Gotham it prompts Terry to ditch Bruce for Dick as a mentor figure as he believes Bruce is ultimately motivated by self interest. It was really messed up but at least the comic had the decency to treat the situation as really messed up rather than the love letter to Batman/Batgirl that the guy in charge of Killing Joke pretty much confessed that intro was.
They should have fleshed out the Joker's backstory and traumatizing of Gordon instead of tacking on a romance at the start. Added more details on the Joker's descent into madness, maybe his first murders. There's so much good material and so much wasted potential on ways they could have done this instead of just tacking on a Batgirl romance
I disagree. part of what makes the joker so incredible is that we don't know anything about him. Hell he is so fucked up he doesn't even know the truth to his own backstory. I think fleshing out the joker would of made it worse
Yeah that's true actually. They could've made this a more Joker-centric film if they'd wanted actually, which would've been interesting with some good writers.
Umit Kayabas True, all the parts in which Joker is talking/torturing Harley into insanity in the flashbacks is done in a rushed manner, as if they didn't want to worry about scripting such a potentially complex scene.
The killing joke portion was really good, but they needed to keep their BatmanxBatgirl fanfic garbage out of it. That part in The Animated Series was bad enough.
+xXL3g3NdLaloXx I respectfully disagree with you people criticize the Batman and batgirl relationship because Bruce is older than Barbara but in knight Barbara was like in her late thirties or early forties and Tim was in his early twenties
Luke think a little before making a fool out of yourself.Barbara Gordon has always been a lot younger than Batman she is at most 26 years old since Batman is on his mid 40s and Barbara is supposed to be around 20 years younger than him and in the Arkhamverse Tim Drake becomes Robin when he was 17 years old and he is only about 5-6 years younger than Barbara so not really all that creepy.
Brian Rodriguez well in arkham origins Barbara was about 15 years old and in arkham knight it says that origins is about 20 years before asylum making Barbara about 37 because knight is 2 years after asylum and in the arkham comics it says that Tim started out a little while before asylum which makes Tom in his twenties
They should have animated "The Man Who Laughs". Showing the very first meeting between Batman and Joker who have made a better introduction for The Killing Joke. Plus "The Man Who Laughs" is a short comic, it probably would have taken the exact run time as Batgirl's story. And would have been more effective in telling a complete Batman and Joker story or at the very least a complete Joker story.
@@gokublackmasteredultrainst7663 the man who laughs is a mid-2000's batman graphic novel, completely unlated with the batman who laughs character, created in 2018/19.
So a few curses and some blood equal R-rated in US animation now? And I just finished watching a Jojo's Bizarre Adventure's episode where a child was vaporized to oblivion by a bomb. And it's the Japanese equivalent of PG-13. Seriously.
The rating system in the US is pritty fucked. The mpaa rate movies with a very inconsistent standard. Worse they use the nc17 rating to Censor any movie they don't like. If your an independant film maker they can slap your movie with an nc17 and and most theaters will not touch your movie because of the collusion between the studios and the theaters. There all abounch of Cunts.
I will never understand Bruce Timms fascination for bruce and barbara. It's his best friends daughter, his sons on and off again girlfriend, and his own student. It's so god damn wrong.
Yeah, that whole Batgirl sleeping with Batman thing? I don't consider it canon. It's stupid, wrong, and violates established character traits and relationships.
Yeah, I know. I commend him for the work he did on the DCAU as it is my favorite version of the DC universe but I cannot and will not accept this travesty against these iconic characters. It ain't canon as far as I'm concerned.
The original The Killing Joke had no such subplot. Bruce is like a second father to Barb in the Animated Series and everything else I know of. At most, in some continuities she has a short lived juvenile crush on Bruce. This sort of thing just violates character relationships that have stood for more than two decades at this point and it's disgusting.
at the very least you could have added a 30 min intro to batman and the commissioner trying to solve a dope mystery. at the very least! not that bat girl fiasco!
If filmmakers just intertwined the first 40 minutes for the rest of the movie, like the Paris Franz is working for the Joker, instead of just the first act, I would buy it.
They needed to hint at the joker breaking out earlier, so he has time to set up the carnival. Same basic concept of intertwining the stories, but with a different focus. I hadn't read the killing joke before seeing this, but watching the first act definitely sent up some 'filler flags'.
+Brandon Braich that's always confused me about Americans.A girl in a bikini will land you a G rating while a girl in lingerie gets you an R rating?I mean they both expose just as much skin so what's the difference?
DC lazyness pack. -an underdevelop batman vs superman story. With a battle resolution including mothers. -a fanfic batgirl story in the killing joke adaptation. -a lot of scenes cutted away of the joker from suicide squad. -and using the escuse of "movies of fans" so the fanboys of DC and haters of marvel defend to death every movie with saying that the critics get paid.
+Chopperwocky way to twist your fanboy ism into a positive thing. it's sad when a group of nobodies with a tree and a talking racoon can hit 1 billion but the most successful and iconic super heroes can't even hit 900 mil
"Problem solved!... By creating many, many, many more problems" That awkward moment when Honest Trailers guy summarizes the last 60 years of US foreign policy.
I heard the writer of this movie defended the sex scene by saying, “the romance was always kinda there (batman and batgirl that is) even if it was subtle.” Huh... kinda like howZack Snyder defended his murderous Batman by saying, “your all living in a dream world if you think Batman hasn’t killed before!” Wow... no point in seeing Batman for who he is anymore just write what ever you want they say at Warner Bros!
Comicbook heroes are MADE to have different incarnations and variation of their personalites, after all, most of them are 60 years old at least. If you think that the one incarnation you saw is the only right one because it was the one you saw when was a kid, then you shold probably just keep watching those instead...
@@Sameeer_Saker look man, sure they can change the character for their own interpretation, but there is still an established character, yes that character might change over time but the one most widely accepted will be the established character. What they're doing is their own interpretation but it's definitely not an accurate representation of the character.
I liked Batfleck's "over it" take on Batman. What I couldn't stand, however, was Henry Cavil's moody Superman. It's one thing to make the grim and gritty character legitimately grim and gritty, it's another thing to make the positive, upbeat, "Truth, Justice, and the American way" super dude a complete mopefest.
So I thought I'd quote this movie and told my girlfriend: We're partners, but we're not equals... Not even close. She hasn't spoken to me in a week lol.
honestly, I was okay with it... that being said my brain completely deleted the first part of the movie from my memory to the point that I forgot it existed until I watched this.
Can someone explain me why was rated R. Justice League: Flashpoint Paradox; Batman: Under the Redhood and The Dark Knight Returns were PG-13 and they are 3 time more violent and disturbing than this movie
Sorry for changing the subject on you folks, but Weird Wombat, I love finding other The Cat Empire fans out there... we're so few and far between. I wish more people knew about them.
i havnt read the comic the movie was based off of but did find it pretty weird that a movie about joker he wasnt even mentioned until halfway through, kind of made everything before that seem pretty pointless
The first half of the film was based on a Batgirl story that came out a few months before The Killing Joke and has been largely forgotten. It covered her in a caper that gets too personal and she quits at the end of the story. The character had faded out of popularity at the time, and DC wanted to set her up a little before using her in The Killing Joke. Also, the Batgirl x Batman relationship never happened in the comics, but was mentioned several times in other DC Animated Universe shows.
+Warren Carlson So... the problem is the name of the movie.. it shouldnt have been named The Killing Joke... it d be better if they put another name and combine both stories to make sense... the first 30 min need more sense to get releated to the Jokers story....
They could also have intercut the stories to build up tension leading to the Joker reveal. It would've been nice to have less of the Batgirl* story and more scenes of Barbara and Jim or Bruce and Dick or Tim.
I wanted to like this movie. I really, REALLY wanted to. I tried to justify the bad parts so hard. And it's not like the great parts aren't great. It just could have been so much better. This should have been the best animated Batman movie, a way to sign off the OG voice cast and leave a reminder of just how amazing Batman stories can be. In the words of joker, "God dammit."
The killing joke isn't about the story, the story is good but it's about the joker and his relationship with batman, and also in there batman is more human than ever and at the same time more stranged from reality than ever. If quality was measured only in terms of "what story am I watching" we wouldn't have a hundred remakes of the classics.
Didn't anyone learn from Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood? If its a comic/manga adaptation, just make the pictures move with sound. Hell I would've been happy with Mark Hamill and Kevin Conroy just reading the comic out loud without any animation. C'mon DC, you had this one thing over Marvel, and now you've pissed that away as well. If I wasn't so optimistic I'd say you hired on those Sega people who thought giving Shadow guns would make Sonic 'edgier'.
Let's be real for a second: there's no goddamn way they ever would have been able to live up to the original comic. The original comic is a one-of-a-kind artistic masterpiece that's presented in a style that can only be found in graphic novels. By animating it, a lot of the subtle intricacies are inevitably lost. Even without the extra stuff they added it wouldn't have worked. It would have taken millions of more dollars and talent matching that of the original artists to even come close. Frankly I don't think they should have even tried it
FMAB translates very well to screenplay though. You always have to consider how the source material translates to screenplay. Even though it's not a manga, episode 0 of Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works (2014) is an example of being too faithful to the source material to the point of having no regard for pacing. They somehow came up with an entire slew of new problems for this adaptation but just making a 1:1 word for word adaptation isn't a good idea in practice, unless the source material naturally translates well. Even FMAB had liberties taken to work better in animated format.
I mean, dude worked hard crafting the *exact* story he wanted to make, and not one adaptation of his work has ever captured the that essence. Literally not one. Even "V for Vendetta," which was a decent movie, isn't didn't really carry the theme and message of the comic. Ok, there is exactly one. The Justice League animated TV show adaptation of "For the Man who has Everything" was pretty much perfect.
+thibault caron The Killing Joke was always canon. Moore needed permission to cripple Barbara. There was also a tie-in from within the Batgirl title at the time that featured her retiring.
Okay honestly it wasn't that bad... The only bad part was the beginning of the movie and the Batman/Batgirl relationship, the Killing Joke part of it was actually really good
The funny thing is that Bruce Timm is also the one who established the relationship between Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon. Also, I think people are missing the fact that the sex between Batman and Batgirl was never portrayed as a good thing. They say that it was a mistake in the movie. They also say that it's a mistake in the DCAU.
I agree, if they changed the beginning to Batgirl being more awesome in crime fighting like in the animated series along with batman maybe against another supervillain, got rid of their relationship, had it so that Barbara was still batgirl at the time then retired because she was shot rather than retiring because of their relationship, then it would be a great film, the rest was brilliant. Cant make it any better when both kevin conroy and Mark hamil nail their perfomances especially at the end when the joker has that sad moment then tells a joke or perhaps the second best part, mark hamil singing...again.
Lol, good luck with that. If they judge that like they judged this, they'll have to point out how every white male is gross and evil or incestuous. Don't get me wrong, I love Jessica Jones, and I don't care about the portrayal of white men. I'm just saying if they did that, and didn't point it out they'd have a ton of crying meninists pointing out the hypocrisy. If they do point it out, they'll have a ton of crying feminists talking about every negative portrayal of a minority in every other film ever. It's sort of a "Damned if you, damned if you don't." series to do for them.
+LogicBeforeNorms The show really only had one morally good man, an ex drug addict who happens to be black. Im not counting Luke Cage because he's questionable, or the police officers.
Err, what? There's only three white male characters: Kilgrave, the cop boyfriend, and weirdo upstairs neighbor. Kilgrave is absolutely a creep, but he's also our villain. Not sure why they fucked up the cop boyfriend, but I didn't feel sorry when the weirdo upstairs neighbor died. You also have nasty female characters, such as Trinity lawyer who is a complete slime ball, and the weirdo upstairs neighbor's sister (I wish she had died too).
+master5 gaming and other stuff Because this movie is also done by the guy behind Batman Beyond and The Animated series, Bruce Timm. He like to pair Batman and Batgirl up, it's like a fetish or something.
The Killing Joke is extremely overrated. It has the joker trying to be understood and make a statement about his life. this is not what the joker does. The Joker is the ultimate psychotic. The point of his life is to cause as much suffering and anguish as possible, and laugh at it. The less sense it makes, the more random the suffering, the funnier it is to him. Trying to reach out and be understood is something Poison Ivy, or Two Face would do because they are still, in some way, trying to cling to sanity.
That's just the new version of the joker. The Original joker was closer to a Jack Nicholson joker - slightly insane but more of a cruel master criminal. In the silver age, comics were self-censored before the government shot them down, so Joker became just a jokester. When darker theme re-appeared in the modern ear (1970's), that is when insane joker came into being.
Joker is super sane. He knows he's a character and that he is in a comic book. He knows that he plays the villain which is why he acts the way he does. He thinks it's hilarious that everyone thinks their lives are real which is why killing is okay for him. He knows nothing is real. Life is not real (comic sense). That is the joke for him
+Andoc Yeah but Deadpool's okay with killing and he's like an anti-hero. Joker is more secretive. He acts insane and all crazy so that no one would see the true mastermind lurking underneath his facade. And when Martian Manhunter made him temporarily sane, he actually felt GUILT over the lives he killed.
The Killing Joke is overrated and Alan Moore himself basically disowned it. You want a great Batman/Joker story, read Death of the Family by Scott Snyder.
I agree the Killing Joke is overrated but I waaay prefer it to Death of the Family. I think Images is hugely underrated though and its the definitive Joker story to me; Death in the Family is pretty good even if certain parts havent aged well and it leads really well to Under the Red Hood which I think is one of the all time great Batman stories, showcases the Joker really well and even has an adaption that improves on the source material imo.
As much as I like Bruce Timm, I really have to ask what is his obsession with BatmanxBatgirl? Because the only place it's been a thing has been The Animated series, Beyond, and this. All of which he was in charge of.
It's a fetish. All happened in alternate universes, so nobody cared. But most fans accept the killing joke as "canon". Timm was pretentious to tarnish this iconic story with his delusions.
This movie is getting a lot of much deserved hate. I agree the first half sucked and was pointless. I feel the other issue this movie had was it felt very dated. I may be wrong, but wasn't The Killing Joke one of the first stories that was darker and were a more twisted Joker was utilized. That is what made it legendary, because it was different. Unfortunately for this adaptation it felt weak and dated. We have seen the edgier Joker and darker Batman so this version, which was groundbreaking at the time, feels very tame and status quo in 2016.
The Killing Joke wasn't good because it was Dark and Edgy. It was good because it had something to say. It was a fresh look at Batman and the Joker's relationship. They related to each other because they were two guys who just had "one bad day", and they shared a very human moment at the end. There wasn't even much violence in it.
+Fatal Foxy Fine. He feels fine I'm sure. Batgirl prologue or not, this movie is fine and doesn't deserve the hate it gets. It did everything the original comic did storywise, and much of the dialogue was the same. Though not as good as the original story, it is by no means a flop. Just skip the prologue, and take it for what it is.
I find it disappointing how whenever someone talks about this movie, they focus more on the terrible 30-minute prologue rather than the actual Killing Joke part of the movie which is actually very faithful. I mean, if you find that first 30 minutes really distracting, I completely understand. But it just bugs me when that's the only part of the film anyone talks about.
People talk most about it because it simply shouldn't be there. If that prologue bullshit wasn't there, we would all only be talking about The Killing Joke portion and how it was actually pretty good. But instead with that first act shit, it's so out of place, people can't help but talk about it.
It's because no one really has a problem with the actual Killing Joke part. It's well done. Not a whole lot to say on it. But the first 30 minutes or so is just full of problems.
They made this movie like the Killing Joke was too short, and we needed a big huge thing of basically batgirl fights and stories anyone who even cares to watch a animated batman feature already knows. She's Barbara Gordon, daughter of Jim Gordon, she's Batgirl, she kicks ass but does not have the wisdom of batman, like he does robin, he does see her as an equal. This movie turns 40 minutes of some silly super generic storyline that would've been considered a "filler" episode of Batman: The Animated Series. Then, the Killing Joke begins. Mark Hamill read the exact same "Why aren't you laughing" scene or recorded it before, and it sounds better than how it's said in this high budget animated...flash film. Who was in charge of this, seriously? The eerie ending scene missing the light leaves the ending ruined. The carnie scenes are great and terrifying, but the "I knew this would paralyze her" nonsense made no sense. I think Joker's corruption of Harvey Dent and killing Rachael Dawes in "Dark Knight" was probably more tolerable, and yes, I'm saying it, those were the worst elements of that film.
Nah. This is really the only animated DC movie that's been bashed. And really, it's not even the Killing Joke part of it that anyone has a problem with.
story was meh(mostly the filter parts and the bad implantation of the elements from the comic) but animation was horrible. There were very limited particle effects, rain and a lot of such stuff looked like it was made by some kid on his home computer. horrible filter on jokers flashbacks to the past was painful to watch. a lot of the story depends on the atmosphere and here they did not even bothered with key elements like the police sirens at the end of the comic. some parts were so stilted that even I noticed and I usually don't.
I personally dislike the idea of batman and batgirl getting it on. But it's not a new thing. They even hinted at it in Batman Beyond.... I didn't like it then either.
Yeah, Bruce Timm has a weird thing about Batman and Batgirl. It was easier to ignore in Batman Beyond since it happened in the past and they didn't bring it up much. Seeing them actually have sex was just weird and uncomfortable.
You know what I would've wanted, and kinda expected. A story of Batman and Batgirl teaming up to take down the Joker. Meanwhile the entire time Joker is teasing her about how she's just a pretender. That she'll never be anything close to who the Batman is. And then after they capture him and place him in jail, follow it up with Killing Joke.
i dont get why any time something dc comes out, everyone has to bash it for every negative thing there is, and everyone just sees a review online and their mind is already made up. it's ridiculous. 1. the batgirl storyline was made so that we would know the character more, and to give batman more of a drive. 2. who care about the batsex? when barbara and bruce told terry about their past nobody gave a damn in batman beyond, but now we're in a time and age where everything is complained about. 3. the animation was meant to reflect the comic book, which it did 4. the voice acting was perfect like always. No matter what i say haters are gonna hate the movie for whatever reason, but at the end of the day, it was a great film
Art is subjective and subject to criticism. If you liked the movie, good for you. Other people are not wrong for disliking the movie. For instance, I saw it at the cinema and didn't notice or care about the animation or voice acting, but found the experience disappointing none the less, for reason that have been stated here and lots of places. If those things didn't bother you then I'm glad you enjoyed it, but don't act like everyone else is a hater and wrong for disliking something you enjoy.
Lego Insomniac people r haters when all they do is try their hardest to find something negative instead of watching the film and enjoying it. Also I'm sure 80 % of ppl don't even have their own opinions, they just see a review and think "oh this movie sucks". Bottom line is its a good film
Oh yes, Batman having sex with his adoptive son's ex-girlfriend and 1 of his oldest and trusted friends' daughter is perfectly ok. And in the Batman Beyond cartoon, it was slightly implied that the relationship happened after both were older and in the Mr. Freeze animated movie, there was a scene where Barbara hits on Bruce that almost everyone hated.
No one seemed to mind when Batman Beyond implied that Bruce and Barbara had been involved for a brief period. Is it because this film explicitly said it that everyone has a problem?
This should have been so easy to make good. There was no need to add that intro. Sure, the movie would have only been like 40 minutes long, but they could have just made it direct-to-dvd like they were originally going to do.
The comic was over rated to begin with, Alan Moore even said "It was shock value for shock values sake!" However I do agree the intro was weird and wrong abeit an intro was necessary, they could have done it Tarentino style with end, begining, middle end again. All Joker Stories are absolute to the character.
The ending in the animation and the comic was weak. This was supposed to be the story that finally breaks batman's code. But instead, it left an open ending, leaving you to your imagination.
Ehhhh, it's not too open in the comic. Thematically and in conjunction with the story the Joker tells at the end plus the imagery on the final page, it's an inescapable conclusion that Batman kills him. Also it's, like, the title of the story. It's a pun. The ending didn't translate to film/animation very well though.
Alan Moore also said he worships a snake God and calls himself a wizard (and he was dead serious), so probably a good idea to take any of his opinions with a massive grain of salt
Actually I think the ending is pretty brilliant, it really explains the title of the book.It's so clear to me now that I can't believe people still think Batman didn't kill him.
The Killing Joke was completely paradigm shifting when it came out. When I heard they were making this, and that they got Conroy and Hamill to reprise their roles, I had an unfortunate, excitement-related, spillage incident in my pants. When I watched the finished product, I lost the ability to have further "spillage incidents" for quite a while. Who knew that this was just the first time they would drop the ball?
I was legitimately surprised by how underwhelmed I was by this movie, and even by the performances. I wonder if Kevin Conroy has reached a point where he's just sick of playing Batman. He's been doing it for more than two decades. He phoned it in. We've all heard umpteen times where he nailed it, so we know what it sounds like when his heart isn't in it. Maybe he's just doing it for a paycheck now. Would explain why his voice pops up in lesser Batman projects you've never heard of.
kinda weird that people are hating on this movie for pairing batgirl and batman whereas it has happened before in comics. They have gotten together in comics and liked their attempt to show how close they were. also while I like how they usually bash DC movies because they are usually funny, for some reason this was not funny at all
honest trailer quality has been drop since early this year. old video always make fun something but this year they Just condemn everything that not following thier taste.
The comics you speak of are part of the Bruce Timm animated universe continuity not any mainstream comic continuity. The only time we see a Babs and Bruce pairing is when Bruce Timm is involved (he was involved in this movie too). For all the great stuff Timm and Dini has given us in the animated series and the DC animated universe, that is one of the few things that most people were against. It's just a weird pairing that Bruce Timm seems to ship.
You'd be wrong to think people didn't complain or dislike it back then. It's just that because this is current and people talk about it online more than they did back then. Also I fail to see why it is stupid to complain about. It is wrong on many levels. From Batman's side he's sleeping with his adopted son's ex, his best friend's daughter, and someone he was mentoring as a crime fighter. So Batman's betraying his adopted son and best friend, as well as basically being a teacher who sleeps with his students. Batgirl on the other hand comes off as a woman with an Electra complex, to her Batman's an older man who is best friends with her father who also shares some similarities with her father. No matter how you slice it Batman's an older mentor figure in her life. Not to mention she's sleeping with the adopted father of her ex. She doesn't think that this might cause a riff between their bond?
***** As far as i'm aware...they always had a father-daughter relationship, at least with Barbara Gordon (don't know about other Batgirls) and Barbara has always been an off and on romantic interes for Dick Greyson...son in just 30 minutes they destroyed that relationship, not to mention Bruce Wayne (again, at least in the Killing Joke setting) would never do that to his friend Jim Gordon and of course Dick...so yeah...this was pretty much the equivalent of a niece having sex with his older uncle.
***** C'mon man...are you willing to forgive the bad dialogue? the generic plot with forgettable characters? the Batman completely out of character? the missing opportunities with Batgirl? (again, not an expert, but i read Batgirl New 52 with Gail Simone on charge...so, so good) so yeah...if it the first minutes are Bullshit, i'm not afraid to call it out for that.
The heavily implied father figure/mentor relationship throughout the years, the age gap, the fact shes his best friend's daughter and son's long time girlfriend just makes the sex scene all the more creepy lol
Agreed!
Should have been the most logical and surprising reason why dick grayson quit as robin in the animated series
Actually that was the reason Dick quit being Robin in the cartoon. At least in the comics that continued the DCAU. In the Batman Beyond 2.0 comics that continued the cartoon there was an story which introduced Nightwing to that era with a few flashbacks in which Barbara and Bruce slept together behind Dick's back and she got pregnant, the timing of which meant Nightwing couldn't be the father (followed by a miscarriage). The story gets out and Dick leaves Gotham because of it. And when the story comes out in Neo Gotham it prompts Terry to ditch Bruce for Dick as a mentor figure as he believes Bruce is ultimately motivated by self interest.
It was really messed up but at least the comic had the decency to treat the situation as really messed up rather than the love letter to Batman/Batgirl that the guy in charge of Killing Joke pretty much confessed that intro was.
Don't forget the creepy gargoyle!
Isn’t Barbara also kinda Bruce’s boss’s daughter?
They should have fleshed out the Joker's backstory and traumatizing of Gordon instead of tacking on a romance at the start. Added more details on the Joker's descent into madness, maybe his first murders. There's so much good material and so much wasted potential on ways they could have done this instead of just tacking on a Batgirl romance
I disagree. part of what makes the joker so incredible is that we don't know anything about him. Hell he is so fucked up he doesn't even know the truth to his own backstory. I think fleshing out the joker would of made it worse
Yeah that's true actually. They could've made this a more Joker-centric film if they'd wanted actually, which would've been interesting with some good writers.
They probably didnt have the balls to write towards that direction... The first half was an easy exit
Umit Kayabas True, all the parts in which Joker is talking/torturing Harley into insanity in the flashbacks is done in a rushed manner, as if they didn't want to worry about scripting such a potentially complex scene.
+Brian G. Harley wasn't in _The Killing Joke_.
"Now, Warner Brothers is fighting fire... With Gasoline!" Loved that line, so true
Where's that lines tho' ?
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I was laughing for a minute straight.
I agree, I agree. Bat-agree.
Greatest line I have heard
'Cause, baby, now we got BAT blood!
you know we used to be best buds
HEY!
Daniel Maximoff OHHHHHH IT'S SO SAD TOO THINK ABOUT THE COFFEEEEE
So take a look at what youve become...
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"He showed me pictures of my daughter, have you seen her?" "Ooooh. That's gonna be an awkward talk."
Classic! 😅
The killing joke portion was really good, but they needed to keep their BatmanxBatgirl fanfic garbage out of it. That part in The Animated Series was bad enough.
the Barbara Gordon and Tim drake romance in arkham knight was even worse
+xXL3g3NdLaloXx I respectfully disagree with you people criticize the Batman and batgirl relationship because Bruce is older than Barbara but in knight Barbara was like in her late thirties or early forties and Tim was in his early twenties
Luke think a little before making a fool out of yourself.Barbara Gordon has always been a lot younger than Batman she is at most 26 years old since Batman is on his mid 40s and Barbara is supposed to be around 20 years younger than him and in the Arkhamverse Tim Drake becomes Robin when he was 17 years old and he is only about 5-6 years younger than Barbara so not really all that creepy.
Glad I'm not the only one who was super put off by BarbXDrake.
Brian Rodriguez well in arkham origins Barbara was about 15 years old and in arkham knight it says that origins is about 20 years before asylum making Barbara about 37 because knight is 2 years after asylum and in the arkham comics it says that Tim started out a little while before asylum which makes Tom in his twenties
They should have animated "The Man Who Laughs". Showing the very first
meeting between Batman and Joker who have made a better introduction for
The Killing Joke. Plus "The Man Who Laughs" is a short comic, it
probably would have taken the exact run time as Batgirl's story. And
would have been more effective in telling a complete Batman and Joker
story or at the very least a complete Joker story.
Alex Paulino The Batman who laughs or the man who laughs?
@@gokublackmasteredultrainst7663 the man who laughs is a mid-2000's batman graphic novel, completely unlated with the batman who laughs character, created in 2018/19.
In honor of Gene Wilder you should do an Honest Trailer of Young Frankenstein.
Have the done the original Wily Wonka yet?
Ichigo1423jfk I don't think so.
Michael Canessa They should. Just like with Labyrinth HT in honor of David Bowie.
Or Willie Wonka
It's Franken-STEEN!
So a few curses and some blood equal R-rated in US animation now? And I just finished watching a Jojo's Bizarre Adventure's episode where a child was vaporized to oblivion by a bomb. And it's the Japanese equivalent of PG-13. Seriously.
Deadpool having an R rating probably had something to do with that.
+kyle balser bat girl lol
The rating system in the US is pritty fucked. The mpaa rate movies with a very inconsistent standard. Worse they use the nc17 rating to Censor any movie they don't like. If your an independant film maker they can slap your movie with an nc17 and and most theaters will not touch your movie because of the collusion between the studios and the theaters. There all abounch of Cunts.
I am not why screen junkies said that but the R rating came from very implied rape and psychological torture about said rape
***** Alan Moore said that she was not raped. She was shot, paralyzed and traumatized, but not raped.
I will never understand Bruce Timms fascination for bruce and barbara.
It's his best friends daughter, his sons on and off again girlfriend, and his own student. It's so god damn wrong.
seems like some porn fetish tbh
Did you see his Joker and Harley Quinn drawings ??? They are even worse !
He mentioned that was the intentional point.
That would hold up better if his work explored the consequences of this more.
Sounds like a man trying to work though his issues.
“show us on the doll, where they hurt you Bruce..... Timms.”
The comic's even worse than this.
Yeah, that whole Batgirl sleeping with Batman thing? I don't consider it canon. It's stupid, wrong, and violates established character traits and relationships.
Yeah, I know. I commend him for the work he did on the DCAU as it is my favorite version of the DC universe but I cannot and will not accept this travesty against these iconic characters. It ain't canon as far as I'm concerned.
It isn't even canon, thank god.
Clyde Marshall wait why is this particular storyline so bad? I don't know much about this...
The original The Killing Joke had no such subplot. Bruce is like a second father to Barb in the Animated Series and everything else I know of.
At most, in some continuities she has a short lived juvenile crush on Bruce.
This sort of thing just violates character relationships that have stood for more than two decades at this point and it's disgusting.
+Clyde Marshall Truer words have never been spoken.
How has Honest Trailers not done ROCKY yet?! C'mon guys ROCKY and its sequels next!!!
And of course...
Say: "ADRIAN!!!"
"Rocky.... Rocky... Rocky!!!"
Ya do ROCKY Honest Trailers already and of course RAMBO also.
I have been saying that for the longest time lol
Guillermo Cardenas
Yeah especially Rocky 5. ;-P
at the very least you could have added a 30 min intro to batman and the commissioner trying to solve a dope mystery. at the very least! not that bat girl fiasco!
yes! something with another b list batman villain would have been better
They wanted to give batgirl a reason for being shot and not just be some female object/plot device. Didn't really work though
That's because for some dumbass reason they let Brain Azzarello write the prologue!
'Should have been a 30-minutes intro of the first time Batman arrested the Joker.
So obvious... no reason why it didn't happened.
ItsATrap true could have maybe done it in a better way
If filmmakers just intertwined the first 40 minutes for the rest of the movie, like the Paris Franz is working for the Joker, instead of just the first act, I would buy it.
They needed to hint at the joker breaking out earlier, so he has time to set up the carnival. Same basic concept of intertwining the stories, but with a different focus. I hadn't read the killing joke before seeing this, but watching the first act definitely sent up some 'filler flags'.
At least we still have the comic.
To paraphrase Terry's reaction from Batman Beyond, "eeewww.."
I'm surprised this got an R-rating. It's less violent than Flashpoint Paradox or Assault on Arkham.
did it have alot of strong swears?
i believe it was cause of the sex scene. brutal killing of a child doesnt get you an r rating but showing batgirl in a bra does haha
Brandon Braich you still didn't answer my question
***** i wasnt responding to you
+Brandon Braich that's always confused me about Americans.A girl in a bikini will land you a G rating while a girl in lingerie gets you an R rating?I mean they both expose just as much skin so what's the difference?
This movie solidified 2016 as a miserable year for DC films
Justice League vs Teen Titans was pretty fun though.
DC lazyness pack.
-an underdevelop batman vs superman story. With a battle resolution including mothers.
-a fanfic batgirl story in the killing joke adaptation.
-a lot of scenes cutted away of the joker from suicide squad.
-and using the escuse of "movies of fans" so the fanboys of DC and haters of marvel defend to death every movie with saying that the critics get paid.
I loved suicide squad
And then DC's print crushed almost everything in it's path with Rebirth.
+Chopperwocky way to twist your fanboy ism into a positive thing.
it's sad when a group of nobodies with a tree and a talking racoon can hit 1 billion but the most successful and iconic super heroes can't even hit 900 mil
"Problem solved!... By creating many, many, many more problems"
That awkward moment when Honest Trailers guy summarizes the last 60 years of US foreign policy.
Underrated comment.
*slow clap 👏💯🔥
This may come as a surprise to some, but that WAS already a common expression before it was on the Simpsons.
Damn, I really wish this wasn't so on point.
Itua Uduebo damn it! You made me laugh!
I heard the writer of this movie defended the sex scene by saying, “the romance was always kinda there (batman and batgirl that is) even if it was subtle.”
Huh... kinda like howZack Snyder defended his murderous Batman by saying, “your all living in a dream world if you think Batman hasn’t killed before!”
Wow... no point in seeing Batman for who he is anymore just write what ever you want they say at Warner Bros!
Comicbook heroes are MADE to have different incarnations and variation of their personalites, after all, most of them are 60 years old at least. If you think that the one incarnation you saw is the only right one because it was the one you saw when was a kid, then you shold probably just keep watching those instead...
@@Sameeer_Saker look man, sure they can change the character for their own interpretation, but there is still an established character, yes that character might change over time but the one most widely accepted will be the established character.
What they're doing is their own interpretation but it's definitely not an accurate representation of the character.
Well...at least snyder got batman right in his version of justice league
I liked Batfleck's "over it" take on Batman. What I couldn't stand, however, was Henry Cavil's moody Superman. It's one thing to make the grim and gritty character legitimately grim and gritty, it's another thing to make the positive, upbeat, "Truth, Justice, and the American way" super dude a complete mopefest.
"Darkness! No Parents!"
Dat 0:49 tho'
I laughed too hard at that part … aka Lego Batman fan over here.
Its too late at night for me to be laughing this loud 😂😂😂
I hate everything. We waited on this movie for THIRTY YEARS, and THIS is what we get?!
A great film.
+Chris Slater Get out
+C Red But it's cold outside. :(
just skip the first 30 odd minutes
+Chris Slater take a jacket?
Say "Pants?! Where we're going, we won't need pants!"
Reaaаlly greaaaat movie. I found it here => twitter.com/7a35cc809fce5b46c/status/795843754879950848 Honest Traileers Batmaaan The Killing Jooookeee
-Dick Grayson to his younger brother, sometime before Tim showed up with pants.
@@BATMANIQUIQUE Yeah. DEFINITELY not a spam bot.
Say: "Come With Me, and we'll be. In a world of pure imagination!" R.I.P Gene Wilder.
Family Guy's "pure-inebriation" parody was funnier.
So I thought I'd quote this movie and told my girlfriend:
We're partners, but we're not equals... Not even close.
She hasn't spoken to me in a week lol.
Well it's your fault for saying something like that it's a dick move.
Abram Sullivan Right
I think it's funny when they think they're punishing You by not talking
honestly, I was okay with it... that being said my brain completely deleted the first part of the movie from my memory to the point that I forgot it existed until I watched this.
Same here.
someone who understands me!
I have to agree - the first half was superfluous, but I liked the second.
yeah, the first half was just filler. THO once it got to the actual killing joke part it was FANTASTIC
Thanks. I thought i liked it when I saw it long back! Was thinking if i was the only one 😂
do an honest trailer of Spongebob please.
yes
Nikki please nbkkkp
Oh god yes please spongebob.
The mooovie.
The first or the second one or both?
LET'S DO IT FOR GENE!! HONEST TRAILER OF WILLY WONKA AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY!!
R.I.P
What, no Producers or Blazing Saddles?
@George Leung Nobody is even pretending that he was in anything but Willie Wonka.
Yes please
+The Shruggernaut I actually remember Blazing Saddles more
Can someone explain me why was rated R. Justice League: Flashpoint Paradox; Batman: Under the Redhood and The Dark Knight Returns were PG-13 and they are 3 time more violent and disturbing than this movie
Sorry for changing the subject on you folks, but Weird Wombat, I love finding other The Cat Empire fans out there... we're so few and far between. I wish more people knew about them.
Assault on Arkham was more brutal than that as well.
Implied sexual assault
Genady Mitov In Turkey this movie is 7+ and it is presented in the kids movies section of the markets
OMGGG batman under that read hood is soooo good. I cannot stress enough over how amazing it is
i havnt read the comic the movie was based off of but did find it pretty weird that a movie about joker he wasnt even mentioned until halfway through, kind of made everything before that seem pretty pointless
+Joseph Cain Wrong way to solve it... those first 30 minutes shouldve never happen..
+EVM7 agreed!
The first half of the film was based on a Batgirl story that came out a few months before The Killing Joke and has been largely forgotten. It covered her in a caper that gets too personal and she quits at the end of the story. The character had faded out of popularity at the time, and DC wanted to set her up a little before using her in The Killing Joke.
Also, the Batgirl x Batman relationship never happened in the comics, but was mentioned several times in other DC Animated Universe shows.
+Warren Carlson So... the problem is the name of the movie.. it shouldnt have been named The Killing Joke... it d be better if they put another name and combine both stories to make sense... the first 30 min need more sense to get releated to the Jokers story....
They could also have intercut the stories to build up tension leading to the Joker reveal. It would've been nice to have less of the Batgirl* story and more scenes of Barbara and Jim or Bruce and Dick or Tim.
I wanted to like this movie. I really, REALLY wanted to. I tried to justify the bad parts so hard. And it's not like the great parts aren't great. It just could have been so much better. This should have been the best animated Batman movie, a way to sign off the OG voice cast and leave a reminder of just how amazing Batman stories can be. In the words of joker, "God dammit."
It was fine. The film was fine.
And thats the problem it shouldn't have been fine it should have been brilliant.
+MrRiddle0 Take away the prologue, and it's the same exact story.
I don't get the hate.
The killing joke isn't about the story, the story is good but it's about the joker and his relationship with batman, and also in there batman is more human than ever and at the same time more stranged from reality than ever. If quality was measured only in terms of "what story am I watching" we wouldn't have a hundred remakes of the classics.
Chris Slater
You just said it was fine and I said it should have been more than fine that is not hate.
Agreed, this year has to be one of the worst for DC, just awful movie after awful movie. Stop butchering our favourite characters!
This film was great. Take out the prologue and it was the SAME EXACT STORY.
It was fine.
Chris Slater But the whole bat girl thing, the pacing was all wrong
+Simon Yip I liked the film. Prologue and all. Yes I have also read the original comic.
Overall I loved it. That's just me ma..
+Chris Slater Man. Typo
Krashes They are soooo good in comparison, I love the last season of The Flash and Gotham
people complain about how batfleck uses a gun, but forget this Batman totally murdered those 2 dwarf dudes
Yeah I noticed that too lol! I was like "damn, did he just murder those ugly babies??"
arent they cyborgs though?
Do Suicide Squad
Needs to come out on video first, like all the others.
The movie doesnt deserve a Honest Trailer... They should do the animated movie. It's my favorite
Obviously their going to do suicide squad
Agreed
they will...when it comes out on DVD
I love bojack horse man
Me too.👍
Honest Trailer of Bojack Horseman when?
Me too. I also like kiwis.
+Jodgee I agree, they should do it
I like it too, but I like you more..
Didn't anyone learn from Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood? If its a comic/manga adaptation, just make the pictures move with sound. Hell I would've been happy with Mark Hamill and Kevin Conroy just reading the comic out loud without any animation.
C'mon DC, you had this one thing over Marvel, and now you've pissed that away as well. If I wasn't so optimistic I'd say you hired on those Sega people who thought giving Shadow guns would make Sonic 'edgier'.
***** I know but this is The Killing Joke! This should have been the best of the set.
Let's be real for a second: there's no goddamn way they ever would have been able to live up to the original comic. The original comic is a one-of-a-kind artistic masterpiece that's presented in a style that can only be found in graphic novels. By animating it, a lot of the subtle intricacies are inevitably lost. Even without the extra stuff they added it wouldn't have worked. It would have taken millions of more dollars and talent matching that of the original artists to even come close. Frankly I don't think they should have even tried it
FMA: Brotherhood wasn't _that_ bad.
It was the original FMA anime that sucked.
FMAB translates very well to screenplay though. You always have to consider how the source material translates to screenplay. Even though it's not a manga, episode 0 of Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works (2014) is an example of being too faithful to the source material to the point of having no regard for pacing. They somehow came up with an entire slew of new problems for this adaptation but just making a 1:1 word for word adaptation isn't a good idea in practice, unless the source material naturally translates well. Even FMAB had liberties taken to work better in animated format.
Here's a thought. Which release handled The Killing Joke better? The animated film or Batman: Arkham Knight?
I now know why Alan Moore disowns all the adaptations of his work.
I mean, dude worked hard crafting the *exact* story he wanted to make, and not one adaptation of his work has ever captured the that essence. Literally not one.
Even "V for Vendetta," which was a decent movie, isn't didn't really carry the theme and message of the comic.
Ok, there is exactly one. The Justice League animated TV show adaptation of "For the Man who has Everything" was pretty much perfect.
The killing joke was the most disappointing thing since my son.
Jokes aside it wasn't bad, but it was very disappointing.
Like your son.
But was it so DENSE?
and unlike my son, who hanged himself in the bathroom at a gas station, this movie will be around, FOREVER, IT WILL NEVER GO AWAY
How can you fuck up The Killing Joke?
It'd be like fucking up mashed potatoes... You just boil the water and pour in the packet...
TheBenwardy I think you should see someone.
Perhaps this movie was an attempt to drive Alan Moore insane.
That very well might be true. Lol
He wasn't already what with all the porno comics and such?
Dude is already insane.
Not necessary. He went insane a looooooooooooong time ago
He allegedly worships a snake god named Glycon as his deity. Dude's past insane for a while now.
"Fighting fire...with gasoline" oh god I laughed so hard
Movie should have been called Oracle: Year Zero
*Year Negative One
Am I the only one who remembers Barbra talking about her hook up wayyyy back in Batman beyond? just some recycling here nothing crazy
Batman Beyond was set in an alternate universe. The Killing Joke was always set in the main one.
Not at first it wasn't
+thibault caron The Killing Joke was always canon. Moore needed permission to cripple Barbara. There was also a tie-in from within the Batgirl title at the time that featured her retiring.
I remember it too.
I knew it went to a certain degree, I just didn't think it went THAT far.
It was still Bruce Timm's stupid idea in that
Okay honestly it wasn't that bad... The only bad part was the beginning of the movie and the Batman/Batgirl relationship, the Killing Joke part of it was actually really good
Bruce Timm has been pushing that relationship for years. By years I mean in the dcau
+Ryan Radford he shouldn't have ...
The funny thing is that Bruce Timm is also the one who established the relationship between Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon.
Also, I think people are missing the fact that the sex between Batman and Batgirl was never portrayed as a good thing. They say that it was a mistake in the movie. They also say that it's a mistake in the DCAU.
I agree, if they changed the beginning to Batgirl being more awesome in crime fighting like in the animated series along with batman maybe against another supervillain, got rid of their relationship, had it so that Barbara was still batgirl at the time then retired because she was shot rather than retiring because of their relationship, then it would be a great film, the rest was brilliant. Cant make it any better when both kevin conroy and Mark hamil nail their perfomances especially at the end when the joker has that sad moment then tells a joke or perhaps the second best part, mark hamil singing...again.
DaHuzyBru Actually yes he did, from the tie in comics for the interlude between Batman TAS to Batman Beyond.
Do Jessica Jones Honest Trailer
Seconded! Jessica Jones Honest Trailer please!
Lol, good luck with that. If they judge that like they judged this, they'll have to point out how every white male is gross and evil or incestuous.
Don't get me wrong, I love Jessica Jones, and I don't care about the portrayal of white men. I'm just saying if they did that, and didn't point it out they'd have a ton of crying meninists pointing out the hypocrisy. If they do point it out, they'll have a ton of crying feminists talking about every negative portrayal of a minority in every other film ever.
It's sort of a "Damned if you, damned if you don't." series to do for them.
+LogicBeforeNorms The show really only had one morally good man, an ex drug addict who happens to be black. Im not counting Luke Cage because he's questionable, or the police officers.
Jake Kale To be fair not many of the characters at all were morally good. Jeri Hogarth and Robin are two female examples of morally bad characters.
Err, what? There's only three white male characters: Kilgrave, the cop boyfriend, and weirdo upstairs neighbor. Kilgrave is absolutely a creep, but he's also our villain. Not sure why they fucked up the cop boyfriend, but I didn't feel sorry when the weirdo upstairs neighbor died.
You also have nasty female characters, such as Trinity lawyer who is a complete slime ball, and the weirdo upstairs neighbor's sister (I wish she had died too).
That sexual relationship was cringeworthy and not needed this and the plot was the equivalent of a wet fart.
… "wet fart" though LOL.
Also, she's *dAtInG hIs SoN goddamn iT-*
wet fart is a weirdly relatable thing tbh 😂 wtf these are some beautiful words that is just there and how did i not know
Eeeee that batman/batgirl romance is the most awkward thing I've ever seen. It's like fanfiction!!!
I saw that and immediately thought "Nope nope nope nope!"
trust me
its been done before
it was hinted at in the batman beyond cartoon
they was need to make the movie longer
Considering it's pointlessly tacked onto an already existing story, it literally is fanfiction.
+master5 gaming and other stuff Because this movie is also done by the guy behind Batman Beyond and The Animated series, Bruce Timm. He like to pair Batman and Batgirl up, it's like a fetish or something.
The Killing Joke is extremely overrated. It has the joker trying to be understood and make a statement about his life. this is not what the joker does. The Joker is the ultimate psychotic. The point of his life is to cause as much suffering and anguish as possible, and laugh at it. The less sense it makes, the more random the suffering, the funnier it is to him. Trying to reach out and be understood is something Poison Ivy, or Two Face would do because they are still, in some way, trying to cling to sanity.
That's just the new version of the joker. The Original joker was closer to a Jack Nicholson joker - slightly insane but more of a cruel master criminal. In the silver age, comics were self-censored before the government shot them down, so Joker became just a jokester. When darker theme re-appeared in the modern ear (1970's), that is when insane joker came into being.
go home
Even Alan Moore said it himself, he brought an origin story and logic to a character who didn't need it.
Joker is super sane. He knows he's a character and that he is in a comic book. He knows that he plays the villain which is why he acts the way he does. He thinks it's hilarious that everyone thinks their lives are real which is why killing is okay for him. He knows nothing is real. Life is not real (comic sense). That is the joke for him
+Andoc Yeah but Deadpool's okay with killing and he's like an anti-hero. Joker is more secretive. He acts insane and all crazy so that no one would see the true mastermind lurking underneath his facade. And when Martian Manhunter made him temporarily sane, he actually felt GUILT over the lives he killed.
Do Ghost Rider 1 & 2 on the day SHIELD season 3 premieres.
Omg yes!
You mean season 4
+Magmagoon Right. Sorry. Season 4.
"Darkness!!! No parents!!!" :D
The Killing Joke is overrated and Alan Moore himself basically disowned it. You want a great Batman/Joker story, read Death of the Family by Scott Snyder.
Both are great books imo. And Snyder's/Capullo's run on Batman is just legendary.
The Killing Joke is one of the best and most well written Batman stories of all time. Bite your tongue fool
I agree the Killing Joke is overrated but I waaay prefer it to Death of the Family. I think Images is hugely underrated though and its the definitive Joker story to me; Death in the Family is pretty good even if certain parts havent aged well and it leads really well to Under the Red Hood which I think is one of the all time great Batman stories, showcases the Joker really well and even has an adaption that improves on the source material imo.
Ehhh I prefer endgame personally. The whole "face mask" thing was really tryhard
The writer of The Killing Joke disagrees.
As much as I like Bruce Timm, I really have to ask what is his obsession with BatmanxBatgirl?
Because the only place it's been a thing has been The Animated series, Beyond, and this. All of which he was in charge of.
Guessing that's indicative of "somebody in the production department"'s issues ...
It's a fetish. All happened in alternate universes, so nobody cared. But most fans accept the killing joke as "canon". Timm was pretentious to tarnish this iconic story with his delusions.
Please do an honest trailer of Monty Python and the Holy Grail!
Yes and please say "I fart in your general direction!"
YES
Say "what is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?"
They can only do honest trailers of movies that actually have something wrong with them
James Wang Holy Grail has plenty ... for instance, the lack of plot or ending.
Actually Jokes does say "Goddamn it.." in the comic
Do assault on arkahm!
i agree with you🖑🖒
this
Yeah, follow up a bad one with a good one.
yessss
Do Stranger Things
Why? It's on Netflix.
yeah!
+Dango D. Daikazoku IT ISSSSSS :D
thats a show
+ferry 16 they've done shows. Just not often
"Fight fire with gasoline." That was just so funny to me.
"now, warner brothers is fighting fire - with gasoline"
i'm gonna steal that line
This movie is getting a lot of much deserved hate. I agree the first half sucked and was pointless. I feel the other issue this movie had was it felt very dated. I may be wrong, but wasn't The Killing Joke one of the first stories that was darker and were a more twisted Joker was utilized. That is what made it legendary, because it was different. Unfortunately for this adaptation it felt weak and dated. We have seen the edgier Joker and darker Batman so this version, which was groundbreaking at the time, feels very tame and status quo in 2016.
it makes sense
The Killing Joke wasn't good because it was Dark and Edgy. It was good because it had something to say. It was a fresh look at Batman and the Joker's relationship. They related to each other because they were two guys who just had "one bad day", and they shared a very human moment at the end. There wasn't even much violence in it.
+Fatal Foxy Fine. He feels fine I'm sure. Batgirl prologue or not, this movie is fine and doesn't deserve the hate it gets. It did everything the original comic did storywise, and much of the dialogue was the same.
Though not as good as the original story, it is by no means a flop. Just skip the prologue, and take it for what it is.
I wouldn't mind the first half if it was a completely different movie
The problem is, and the reason it gets all the hate, the prologue is almost half the movie
Do Batman Under The Red Hood
I find it disappointing how whenever someone talks about this movie, they focus more on the terrible 30-minute prologue rather than the actual Killing Joke part of the movie which is actually very faithful. I mean, if you find that first 30 minutes really distracting, I completely understand. But it just bugs me when that's the only part of the film anyone talks about.
People talk most about it because it simply shouldn't be there. If that prologue bullshit wasn't there, we would all only be talking about The Killing Joke portion and how it was actually pretty good. But instead with that first act shit, it's so out of place, people can't help but talk about it.
It's because no one really has a problem with the actual Killing Joke part. It's well done. Not a whole lot to say on it.
But the first 30 minutes or so is just full of problems.
stiil the animation is not as good as it shuld, and even the voice work is icky...
+rafael tiano you saying that kevin conroy as batman and mark hamill as joker are icky to listen to???
Its HALF-THE MOVIE!
The greatest JOKER story of all time gets a film adaptation that should have been amazing...but then ended up including this.😘🙀
Suicide Squad is the biggest joke.
Biggest?
Nope, that goes too BvS
Body, true said.
Zack Snyder is the true joke
It goes to all recent DC movies sadly...
They made this movie like the Killing Joke was too short, and we needed a big huge thing of basically batgirl fights and stories anyone who even cares to watch a animated batman feature already knows. She's Barbara Gordon, daughter of Jim Gordon, she's Batgirl, she kicks ass but does not have the wisdom of batman, like he does robin, he does see her as an equal. This movie turns 40 minutes of some silly super generic storyline that would've been considered a "filler" episode of Batman: The Animated Series. Then, the Killing Joke begins. Mark Hamill read the exact same "Why aren't you laughing" scene or recorded it before, and it sounds better than how it's said in this high budget animated...flash film. Who was in charge of this, seriously? The eerie ending scene missing the light leaves the ending ruined. The carnie scenes are great and terrifying, but the "I knew this would paralyze her" nonsense made no sense. I think Joker's corruption of Harvey Dent and killing Rachael Dawes in "Dark Knight" was probably more tolerable, and yes, I'm saying it, those were the worst elements of that film.
lol
omg lololol not sure how that happened...daughter daughter!
OnlyAndOnlySound
You should edit that
Not the strangest typo I mean hell in both the batman year one novel Gordon has a son with his wife named Barbera so yeah
I guess it's the cool trend to bash anything DC now.
nah.
it's just that DC has been fucking up lately.
at least when marvel is bad it's just mediocre.
and this is coming from a huge DC comics fan.
Nah. This is really the only animated DC movie that's been bashed. And really, it's not even the Killing Joke part of it that anyone has a problem with.
I only bash the first 30 minutes that really shouldn't have been there.
THIS ISN'T THE ONLY HONEST TRAILER.
If HALF THE MOVIE is absolutely shit by even DC fanboy standards, you really shouldn't try to defend the honor of a nearing century old company.
"fighting fire with gasoline" best line ever
Does the animation really look that bad? It looks good to me...
It wasn't the animation, it was the story.
But they said it looks like it was made using flash implying that it looks bad.
The animation is very bad compared with DC´s recent films based on the new 52
story was meh(mostly the filter parts and the bad implantation of the elements from the comic) but animation was horrible. There were very limited particle effects, rain and a lot of such stuff looked like it was made by some kid on his home computer. horrible filter on jokers flashbacks to the past was painful to watch. a lot of the story depends on the atmosphere and here they did not even bothered with key elements like the police sirens at the end of the comic. some parts were so stilted that even I noticed and I usually don't.
Unshaved Malevolence never seen either of those so idk.
Honestly, I thought this movie was pretty awesome
At least someone else does
So do I.
It was much more enjoyable than BvS.
It was ok, calm yourself sir.
@Charles Jensen
Cool story bro.
when they used the lego batman song i had to pause because i was laughing so hard, it was so wanna be edgy
When I saw the official trailer I actually thought it was a fan made flash animation
I personally dislike the idea of batman and batgirl getting it on. But it's not a new thing. They even hinted at it in Batman Beyond....
I didn't like it then either.
Yeah, Bruce Timm has a weird thing about Batman and Batgirl. It was easier to ignore in Batman Beyond since it happened in the past and they didn't bring it up much. Seeing them actually have sex was just weird and uncomfortable.
Neither do I. It just doesn't seem like something batman would do.
Would love to see "Blazing Saddles" RIP Gene Wilder...
Absolutely!
I second this!
Blazing Saddles is Legendary!
+Screen Junkies Do an Honest Trailer for MEAN GIRLS!!!!
And say "You go Glen Coco!"
You know what I would've wanted, and kinda expected. A story of Batman and Batgirl teaming up to take down the Joker. Meanwhile the entire time Joker is teasing her about how she's just a pretender. That she'll never be anything close to who the Batman is. And then after they capture him and place him in jail, follow it up with Killing Joke.
i dont get why any time something dc comes out, everyone has to bash it for every negative thing there is, and everyone just sees a review online and their mind is already made up. it's ridiculous.
1. the batgirl storyline was made so that we would know the character more, and to give batman more of a drive.
2. who care about the batsex? when barbara and bruce told terry about their past nobody gave a damn in batman beyond, but now we're in a time and age where everything is complained about.
3. the animation was meant to reflect the comic book, which it did
4. the voice acting was perfect like always.
No matter what i say haters are gonna hate the movie for whatever reason, but at the end of the day, it was a great film
Art is subjective and subject to criticism. If you liked the movie, good for you. Other people are not wrong for disliking the movie. For instance, I saw it at the cinema and didn't notice or care about the animation or voice acting, but found the experience disappointing none the less, for reason that have been stated here and lots of places. If those things didn't bother you then I'm glad you enjoyed it, but don't act like everyone else is a hater and wrong for disliking something you enjoy.
Lego Insomniac people r haters when all they do is try their hardest to find something negative instead of watching the film and enjoying it. Also I'm sure 80 % of ppl don't even have their own opinions, they just see a review and think "oh this movie sucks". Bottom line is its a good film
Lego Insomniac there might be reasons you don't like it, but that doesn't mean the film is bad
***** by reasons i meant things like batsex, or kaybe you don't like batman in general, or something like that. Sorry for not making it clearer
Oh yes, Batman having sex with his adoptive son's ex-girlfriend and 1 of his oldest and trusted friends' daughter is perfectly ok. And in the Batman Beyond cartoon, it was slightly implied that the relationship happened after both were older and in the Mr. Freeze animated movie, there was a scene where Barbara hits on Bruce that almost everyone hated.
90's Gay Best Friend should be nominated for an Oscar.
WebVMan Especially because he was so useful to the plot
He felt like something out of Totally Spies 😂
Please say, "Business is business, and business must grow. Regardless of crummies in tummies, you know."
Please do Mask Of The Phantasm
Lol this is pretty spot on. Actually saw it in theaters for limited showings. Imagine my disappointment.
Tara played like, thirty percent of the cast.
Say "Member the Goonies? I member." And then do the damn Goonies!!!!
No one seemed to mind when Batman Beyond implied that Bruce and Barbara had been involved for a brief period. Is it because this film explicitly said it that everyone has a problem?
Batman was leaving the nuts hanging out of Barbra
😂😂😂
is Barbra a squirrel?
While I don't hate this movie like everyone else, I prefer the graphic novel by far.
This should have been so easy to make good. There was no need to add that intro. Sure, the movie would have only been like 40 minutes long, but they could have just made it direct-to-dvd like they were originally going to do.
"So problem solved by creating many, many, many more problems." This is so funny and so true.
Say: "I farted, goodnight."
The comic was over rated to begin with, Alan Moore even said "It was shock value for shock values sake!" However I do agree the intro was weird and wrong abeit an intro was necessary, they could have done it Tarentino style with end, begining, middle end again. All Joker Stories are absolute to the character.
Tell me how Killing Joke doesn't exemplify the Batman/Joker dynamic.
The ending in the animation and the comic was weak. This was supposed to be the story that finally breaks batman's code. But instead, it left an open ending, leaving you to your imagination.
Ehhhh, it's not too open in the comic. Thematically and in conjunction with the story the Joker tells at the end plus the imagery on the final page, it's an inescapable conclusion that Batman kills him. Also it's, like, the title of the story. It's a pun.
The ending didn't translate to film/animation very well though.
Alan Moore also said he worships a snake God and calls himself a wizard (and he was dead serious), so probably a good idea to take any of his opinions with a massive grain of salt
Actually I think the ending is pretty brilliant, it really explains the title of the book.It's so clear to me now that I can't believe people still think Batman didn't kill him.
Honest Trailer: Rocky Balboa
The Killing Joke was completely paradigm shifting when it came out. When I heard they were making this, and that they got Conroy and Hamill to reprise their roles, I had an unfortunate, excitement-related, spillage incident in my pants.
When I watched the finished product, I lost the ability to have further "spillage incidents" for quite a while. Who knew that this was just the first time they would drop the ball?
"DARKNESS!!!" "NOOO PARENTS!!"
I was legitimately surprised by how underwhelmed I was by this movie, and even by the performances. I wonder if Kevin Conroy has reached a point where he's just sick of playing Batman. He's been doing it for more than two decades. He phoned it in. We've all heard umpteen times where he nailed it, so we know what it sounds like when his heart isn't in it. Maybe he's just doing it for a paycheck now. Would explain why his voice pops up in lesser Batman projects you've never heard of.
It was probably due to the fact that Conroy saw what rubbish the script was, and regretted signing on.
Now do a Batman: The Animated Series honest trailer
My favorite part was 'warner bros is fighting fire with gasoline'. HAHA. Nice trailer.
Perfect - that saves me the time to watch it. ^^
Just skip the Batgirl prologue and it's a good movie.
Exactly. Skip to where The Killing Joke actually starts (Batman driving up to Arkham to visit Joker) and it's actually pretty good.
I honestly enjoyed the movie, but I understand why it got so much backlash. Nonetheless, I enjoyed this Honest Trailer, especially 0:49-1:02
kinda weird that people are hating on this movie for pairing batgirl and batman whereas it has happened before in comics. They have gotten together in comics and liked their attempt to show how close they were. also while I like how they usually bash DC movies because they are usually funny, for some reason this was not funny at all
honest trailer quality has been drop since early this year. old video always make fun something but this year they Just condemn everything that not following thier taste.
The comics you speak of are part of the Bruce Timm animated universe continuity not any mainstream comic continuity. The only time we see a Babs and Bruce pairing is when Bruce Timm is involved (he was involved in this movie too). For all the great stuff Timm and Dini has given us in the animated series and the DC animated universe, that is one of the few things that most people were against. It's just a weird pairing that Bruce Timm seems to ship.
You'd be wrong to think people didn't complain or dislike it back then. It's just that because this is current and people talk about it online more than they did back then. Also I fail to see why it is stupid to complain about. It is wrong on many levels. From Batman's side he's sleeping with his adopted son's ex, his best friend's daughter, and someone he was mentoring as a crime fighter. So Batman's betraying his adopted son and best friend, as well as basically being a teacher who sleeps with his students. Batgirl on the other hand comes off as a woman with an Electra complex, to her Batman's an older man who is best friends with her father who also shares some similarities with her father. No matter how you slice it Batman's an older mentor figure in her life. Not to mention she's sleeping with the adopted father of her ex. She doesn't think that this might cause a riff between their bond?
The only comics they go together in are the comic extensions of the Batman: TAS. It NEVER happened anywhere else.
Check your facts bruh
OMFG...WHEN U ADDED THE LEGO BATMAN SONG CLIPS I DIED
Movie is ok, just cut the first 28 minutes and is a very passable Batman story...but seriously, cut the first 28-30 minutes...i truly mean it.
***** Sadly...yeah, but that's still a better alternative than the original cut.
***** As far as i'm aware...they always had a father-daughter relationship, at least with Barbara Gordon (don't know about other Batgirls) and Barbara has always been an off and on romantic interes for Dick Greyson...son in just 30 minutes they destroyed that relationship, not to mention Bruce Wayne (again, at least in the Killing Joke setting) would never do that to his friend Jim Gordon and of course Dick...so yeah...this was pretty much the equivalent of a niece having sex with his older uncle.
***** I may not be a comic expert...but i do know when the first 30 minutes of a movie sucks so hard...it almost ruins the entire thing.
***** C'mon man...are you willing to forgive the bad dialogue? the generic plot with forgettable characters? the Batman completely out of character? the missing opportunities with Batgirl? (again, not an expert, but i read Batgirl New 52 with Gail Simone on charge...so, so good) so yeah...if it the first minutes are Bullshit, i'm not afraid to call it out for that.
***** Wow...so i guess you are really willing to forgive everything else that sucks on the movie...
You forgot to review the other half of the movie
Do Friends (TV Series 1994-2004)!
You`re going to have to make a new Trailer NOW!
Can`t wait.