The Mark Lewis of cycling is maybe giving me more credit than I deserve… I’ll take the price of covid babies title though 😂 Thank you for making the Nero show… it’s most enjoyable cycling podcast by a wide margin imo.
yeah, he might even stop dumping tons of raw sugar into his ride drinks. I get his points, but as a health conscious 40y/o cyclist I avoid all this super sugary stuff during training rides and resort to fruits and grains. Gels only for races or emergencies for me.
@ChrisMillerCycling agree here, keep in mind in my opinion the highest compliment you can give something on UA-cam is "save for the trainer" so don't think too little of that 😄
Both of you are too young to understand. Huberman and Peter Atia are super big in the health and longevity space. Their main audience is the vast ocean of 40+ weekend athletes who are focused on prolonging the semi-youth of their 30s into their 50s and 60s. For this audience, there is no limit to the hope of keeping that youthful vitality going.
Huberman and Peter Attia have some great tipps to improve your health. I listen to their podcasts regularly and implemented some protocols into my life which helped me generally. I rate them highly and can recommend. Watching the sunrise in the morning is actually pretty amazing. After a few days my sleep will get even better and I feel more awake at work
I am a 40 year old ambitious amateur cyclist (12k km last year, 300W FTP) but I also love weightlifting and am quite health conscious and I enjoy both peter attia's and huberman's podcasts.
Surprised you picked on Peter Attia. In an industry full of snake oil I've always found his content and guests credible, conservative and evidence based. Certainly more than most of what comes out of Joe Rogan!
I’m absolutely at capacity with regards to aero gains, speed and generally the “what’s faster” content that fills up my UA-cam feed. It’s just not relevant to me and especially as someone who rides endurance geometry. The problem is I’m constantly sold the idea that I could go faster with a new frame or wheels because it’s easy to talk about how something is a few watts faster, when what really matters is how it rides. (Which barely ever seems a consideration) I’ll give you an example, my BMC Roadmachine is a fairly run of the mill endurance bike, stock wheels and Ultegra di2, it’s not light by any means at 8kg but it climbs fairly well and feels nice out of the saddle, but what completely blew me away was how it handled fast descents in the Pyrenees, utterly superb, confidence inspiring turn in, never feeling twitchy and allowed me to build a rythym and descend as fast if not faster than my friend riding a Bianchi aero frame / Enve wheels costing twice as much. Last year I took a popular local KOM on my winter bike with Rubinos and mudguards on! I know the speed talk won’t stop as it’s what gives most channels something to compare products, and I also know it does apply to someone perhaps who is racing, but there are many of us who simply don’t care if a frame is 3 watts faster than theirs.
As an average physically active person with a full time MD job of 220+ work hours per month and a family, working out for 5-6 hours per week is pretty hard to achieve. Zone 2 is being “pushed” because it is very safe for amateurs and older people and you don’t feel that discomfort as in zone 5 (HR zone), but you still get that metabolic and positive health benefit. That’s why podcasts like Huberman and Attia talk about it as much. Of course if you’re an advanced sports person, you definitely need other forms of exercise to push your potential as much as possible.
I've subbed to Mark Lewis since he was on about 16k people, but I don't know about him being the CrossFit anything. Some Hyrox, sure, but I actually found him because of Zwift and Sufferfest content when he first got his Kickr bike. I don't recall him ever posting anything about CrossFit other than maybe to take the piss out of it
The Z2 thing in the cycling community, I believe, originated with a GCN video interview with Inigo San Millan and how he handles Pogacar's training. It landed about the same time as Huberman and Atilla started focusing on it as well. I think the reason it has taken over the cycling training discussion is because of the benefits you gain versus the fatigue and effort involved with high intensity training which had dominated the training discussion for the last 5 years. The average punter spending 5-10 hours a week on the bike gets good benefit without the fatigue of HIIT sessions which was what was being pushed so heavily during the lockdown era.
Z2 is nothing new. Outside of the bleeding edge of performance, training isn't that complicated. Just do 2 intense sessions a week, add as much zone 2 as you have time for and do some resistance training as you get older.
You get unique benefits with z2: higher max ATP with fat and more/better mitochondria function which increases lactate metabolism and the glycolytic system.
The Z2 movement was around and pumping years and years before GCN. It probably originated with this study of track athletes doing 14 workouts per week.
@Chris, I'm with you on Decathlon, but not only does it make the team more likeable, it also makes me more likely to actually support Decathlon. I can't think of any other team where I would like to support the title sponsor.
If I have 4 hours a week to spend on my bike, with zero intention of becoming some amazing cyclist or riding huge distances, I'd much rather go pretty hard for those hours just because I enjoy it. Is it the optimal way to train? Probably not, but I don't care. I'm not training, I'm just riding my bike as exercise and for mental wellbeing and Zone 2 is incredibly boring.
I really like your show, but sometimes I wonder about your cynicism. Everyone from running coaches, skiing coaches, Pogacars coach and Dylan Johnson says that the best way to train is 80/20 for Z2/HIIT and the two of you are practically laughing about it on the podcast. Weird.
6:05 Attia is chasing longevity, not cycling performance. If you take a more wholistic view of what Attia is trying to pursue with his personal life and his professional life, the impacts of Z2 on longevity are profound. They aren’t trying to make you a better cyclist, they’re trying to improve your overall health and lifespan.
@@thenoclue90 Of course doing Z2 isn't bad for you, it's just that the entire schpiel is basically a bunch of BS to frame some content he can sell. Does someone who does 2 bike rides a week need hyperanalyze what sort of cardio he's doing for those 2 hours a week? No. It's just something used in endurance sport training that he can easily manipulate in presentation to sound authoritative and knowledgeable.
I got back into cycling this last year and wanted to learn how to train. Those Peter Attia videos with Inigo were super helpful as far as understanding the benefits of riding endurance. I actually did go from Attia to Dylan Johnson then found this channel and others. Also, I think Peter has done Triathalons and done large volumes of cycling and swimming if I'm not mistaken. Maybe not an elite competitive cyclist but good resource nonetheless.
I predict we will be seeing more of these color contrasts on the insides of forks/chainstays going forward like Pinarello have done on that Zwift collab frame
I'm glad you two are finally getting that modern bikes are basically the same. Based on all the current data. You either buy the Simplon Pride 2 or the Tarmac. The Simplon is the fastest bike in the world on any flatish course. The Tarmac, only if the course has very sustained climbing. Of interest other European magazines have done similar wind tunnel testing. In high yaw wind conditions the Simplon is significantly faster than any other bike available. As much as 20w at 40kph. The Tour test averages the whole yaw sweep which actually hides the bikes rather significant advantage in crosswinds. It's simply the first bike to fully maximize the new relaxed UCI tube profile rules. It's also designed by some very talented aerodynamicists. It really deserves a much larger audience.
This is a miss on what Attia is trying to achieve. He's not a cyclist. He's using the trainer to spend zero-impact time on zone 2, for all the proven benefits it provides to longevity.
Basing your opinion of Attia and Huberman on some shorts or clips is just completely the wrong way round. They'll spend an hour explaining the actual neuroscience behind it all to then extract some useful 'protocols'. Huberman is probably the most nuanced, and has the most disclaimers I've ever heard from a podcaster. Say the podcast about sleep. They are not about biohacking, although some things are mentioned of course. They are about realising how fundamentally important sleep is for humans in all aspects of our life.
I would almost say that we are at peak aero for framesets. If something is up there in the ballpark in the tests (which lets face it - all the aero marketed bikes are, even if they are only CFD designed) then the other metrics (stiffness, weight) become bigger differentiators. Whilst there are some lighter framesets the majority is still in components, so it then comes down to layup, stiffness, flex... which comes round to the original point - subjective ride feel, tyres and value are the most important things... so pick the bike that is in the ballpark and gives you 'I frickin love it' vibes.
I find it fascinating that the SL8 performed so well in the wind tunnel despite not having the typical aero frame design. Kudos to the engineers. 👍 Regarding product reviews: As a reviewer myself, I find it difficult to find a balance between presenting objective metrics and subjective feelings. When the reviewer leans more towards feelings, he may be attacked by people for making things up (although he does present his real feelings). Conversely, purely objective metrics can be "dry" and may not reflect the real-world use of a given product. As always, it also depends on the audience. 🤷♂ In the time I've been listening to you guys, I have a feeling that satisfying you won't be easy, haha. 😅
Hi guys, I started listening to the Nero show on the trainer and have finally caught up, I like how authentic you are, it's pretty rare amongst the cycling youtube community! I listened to all the 78 episodes and there is one question that I would really like you to address: Bigorexia: most cyclists want to get better, faster, stronger, etc. But father time is undefeated, so how would you handle the inevitable decrease in performance? Greetings from Switzerland!
Jesse nailed this one. A lot of my friends are in the bio-hacking bubble and they tend to focus on the marginal gains and downplay or forget the large effect stuff like sleeping 8 hours and they tend to be neurotic/obsessive over the small things
I have to say that you are off target with the zone 2 discussion. Your discussion seems to say, "we only pay attention to real pro cyclists and staff for our training advice," but Dr San Milan is part of the performance staff for UAE team Emirates. If you listen to Tadej or Van der Poel or other riders discuss their training or watch people "out for a ride with the pro's" they discuss their goals in terms of zones and using zone 2 work. While I, as a cardiovascular physician, don't think it is any wonder pill, there is hard data behind it. Your detraction of it references no data, so as others have commented you do seem like- 'I don't understand it, so it must be junk.' May I remind you both, neither of you are pro racers and your top performance days are likely in their rearview mirror. You better start thinking about how you are going to sustain the activity you love into your later years. Most of your viewers likely like me and take the Huberman's and Attia's with a grain of salt, but both are exotically well trained and are quoting hard data.
Boyer's race report was Pittsburgh, not San Francisco! The Dirty Dozen (except it really should be called the "Dirty Bakers' Dozen" because there are 13 killer hills).
Thank god I got back into cycling as I leave middle age and am entering my autumn years - I got to miss out on all the "health" stuff being pumped out relentlessly!! Less stressful and more fun being ignorant😊. That stuff just zones me out.
You guys are giggling at legit studies that are vastly beneficial to overall health. I love that guys like Attia and Huberman exist, opportunists or not… the information is greatly appreciated and doesn’t require obsession. You can find all of the studies they talk about yourself, or just try some new things in your life - the benefits are pretty stunning. Cheers.
Exactly. If you want to criticise, come up with proofs. not even an Atia fan, but struggling to understand what their point was, except for basic bitchin, with a flare of snobbery on the side.
They don't say anything about it being bad. Just that it's exactly what you say, advice for overall health. Not advice for elite performance. Any mild criticism was for people who _do_ want to train at an elite level spending more time on general health advice than the training advice that will get them the performance that they're after.
What's the issue Chris? If you listen to Dr (note Dr) Peter Attia, his focus is on health and longevity. He does deep dives into many aspects of exercise and health. Aerobic endurance training was just one of the topics he covered in depth last year. As Jesse states in the video, he does a couple hours of aerobic endurance (in his case on a bike as he rides) some VO2 work, resistance trains a couple a week and pays attention to diet. He sees that as a solid foundation for health and longevity. Again, what's the issue? When the growth of cycling is coming from Master's riders, many being busy professional males, I think the crossover between this cycling segment and advice on overall health is quite natural.
I think the sound of the name is what matters Jumbo Visma beats Visma Lease a Bike Trek Segafredo beats Lidl Trek Most people outside of Europe wont know or care who Jumbo or Lidl are...
I am indeed someone who got into Huberman/Attia stuff last year while trying to get healthy after my son was born. Led to getting a bike for zone 2 exercise and quickly became a cycling obsession that had me starting structured workouts trying to get better and better on the bike. I guess I have to thank those health gurus for getting me into cycling, but I do have to roll my eyes at the content I initially enjoyed. Peter Attia talks about him and his patients aiming for an elite vo2 max of someone 10 years younger....all on a few hours of zone 2 and a couple 4x4 sessions a week. Oh man, I wish it were that easy!
Listening to talk you about not liking the Decathlon kit because of the baby blue and black bibs while over your shoulder is the Nero kit with contains baby blue and black bibs
The aero test I really want to see is comparing stuff for us mere mortals, specifically us commuter types. Get at least 30 of us, put us on the road bikes we already use, then compare things like lycra vs normal clothes, and within that t-shirt and jeans vs suit, for example. Compare hoods vs drops vs aero hoods. Compare backpack vs pannier vs frame bag vs more exotic setups. Hell maybe even throw in some hybrid bikes. And do it at normal commutery pace, which for me is 10-15mph (yay city cycling!). This whole thing would be suuuuuper expensive both in money and in time, but this is the kind of shit that's actually relevant to me. For example, how much of a difference would lycra actually make on my morning commute, and is it worth changing once I get there?
You guys are missing one point about Decathlon. Yes it is the place where we buy sporting goods but it's popular because you can buy a "good enough" snowboard for 150€ instead of 600€, and it's popular because you can get cheap compression underwear with comparable quality to Nike or UA , cheap but durable backpacks, cheap everything basically... So while people enjoy the existence of their stores I don't think anyone would straight up identify with Decathlon as a fan and say "hey that's my team, I wear some of their generic brand tshirts when I go to the gym" And the whole Van Rysel brand is one of their upsell brands, in the store you will have the beginner bib shorts for like 30€, then the intermediate ones for 60€ and then the Van Rysel "pro" ones for 120€
Hats off to Team Novo Nordisk. They are doing a fantastic job in trying to raise awareness regarding Type 1 Diabetes. Their Pro rider roster have Type 1 Diabetes. The team have done some really good documentaries about the team, training and whats it like to live with and be a professional with diabetes.
For team names to be memorable for me, I think it's more about the riders or having a great jersey. Ones that stick in my mind for example are Del Tongo (classic jersey), Z-Peugeot (cracking jersey, Greg Lemond, Robert Millar), La Vie Claire (cracking jersey, Hinault, LeMond, Hampsten, Bauer), Café de Colombia (simple but striking jersey, Luis Herera), Banesto (Delgado, Induráin, Zülle), Europcar (Voeckler) etc. Plenty more, but it's all about the riders I enjoy watching and the jerseys I'd wear. :D
I feel like the “ ah ha “ moment for me last week was the difference in deeper wheels. I have 60mm on my Strada 3T and have been looking to upgrade to the Cervelo S5, however the model I was looking at only had 40-45mm and I was disappointed thinking they wouldn’t be as great. Now knowing there is only minimal difference in watts, it helps
I like your tenor as sort of newspaper ombudsmen for the Wide World of Cycling and regarding sponsors and team names, as an American, it never got better than 7-Eleven, a popular convenience-store chain putting money into a team of North Americans to compete on the big stages of Western Europe in the '80s. And I thought it was cool that the final big sponsor of Laurent Fignoun was Gatorade, the original sports drink for ball-sports players. And every sponsor, really, is great as it takes them to put up the big money to keep the big wheels rolling, tho' as Jesse says, friendly and relatable sponsors are best, like for me, my first road race was in '75 in Frankfurt, West Germany for American teen military dependents and it was sponsored by the USO and 7-Up and I won a new Peugeot bicycle for doing my thing. And I appreciated all three of those sponsors then and now for making that day happen for a bunch of kids who were willing to show up for a bike race.
regarding team names in the pro peloton: as someone who doesn't follow the world tour that closely the team names changing year to year make It really hard to follow for a lay-person.
I feel like I've fallen into the twilight zone. I never heard of this until a few days ago, when my brother on Strava commented he was doing a Zone 2 ride, which was a shoulder shrug to me, cos my analysis is typically 75% Z3, 25% Z4, now I see this. I think this stuff is really valuable as inspiration for the average bloke, something they can relate to or actually aspire to. Jesse is right saying it's not about high performance competitive stuff, but for most off us, that's not something we aspire to. Facing the sun for 10 mins sounds like a great idea. I was always a fan of getting some sun on my nuts, for sure, but then, I grew up as a surfy hippie, so it fits.
Great episode, Happy New Year to you and yours. I agree with Jesse about the zone 2 benefits, one has to be naive to dismiss the importance of zone 2 but more naive to believe is a cyclic performance exercise, just listen to Peter when he says any type of exercise will do, zone 2 is a cardio /vascular/regeneration benefit and not a performance cycling one. About the SL8 being so advanced and blah blah blah, how come no one ever investigates how much difference the bike made for a pro race, when a more superior aero bike finishes 1st and another more pedestrian frame comes in 2nd if it the rider ? Or the bike? Could be easily measured . I believe all these tests and data analysis are meant for the enthusiast consumer and not the pros, a pro must ride what the team offers when a consumer can chose his bike and buy into how much a Sl8 could help him.
On Jesse's bit about the pro-conti teams, some of those companies have tons of money and the pittance of an investment is still worth. Case in point : Danish pharma company Novo Nordisk. They are a leading producer of all sorts of diabetes medications and have and annual revenue well over 24 BILLION euro. All of the pro team's riders are type 1 diabetics. Their founder/CEO, a T1 diabetic himself, is Phil Southerland. He also happens to be founder/CEO of Supersapiens, working with / piggybacking on Abbott Labs' CGM tech for that (and smartly upselling it to non-diabetics).
I am with Mearns cycling club in the UK. Our main dealer supports great bikes, pedal power in west Calder was founded by a former winning cyclist. He understands if we need to spend £6k we need to test bikes. The most our club spent was a ridiculous £18,000 Dogma! On average we spend £5-6k now. Prices are insanely high & I suspect we will spend less now. Dealers used to have loan trial bikes to test them out. This needs to return.
People love the idea of Zone 2 because it means you do not have to work hard, just do Zone 2. I’m 59yrs old and I know that my increased fitness comes with intensity. The kind that hurts and makes you not want to do that again. I need more Zone 1 and Zone 2 for the increased recovery time because of my age. Thanks, and keep up the good work you do for the show.
I think Z2 and VO2 stuff is good for longevity markers etc so is all the rage atm for middle aged people everywhere. Anyway I spent so many hrs watching Hubermann and Attia I didn't get around to doing any training last yr ;)
The Tour Magazine episode was great. I remember listening to it and thinking that there were a couple of cultural misunderstandings… he always answered the questions you asked and perhaps didn’t get the subtext and context behind the questions that your regular audience understood. I came to the same conclusion as you guys that it’s ultimately about the feel of the bike and I wonder if we will see more of a bike leasing model that may allow for this more, but could also be quite wasteful and lead to bikes being designed without durability in mind. Particularly with sponsors like “lease-a-bike” coming in as well as Decathlon, who could incorporate a leasing mode with relative ease. Curious on what others think about this
Decathlon is only recently known to me in the US because of UA-cam. I don't think the sponsors, unless known worldwide, change the view of the team. Ferrari would make a splash because they're known for other racing, but most don't matter.
Jesse saying Quickstep, the team with the most wins since 2003 when it was founded, is totally forgetable? But he remembers the teams that win the most?
The talk about team names was a bit of a meh moment for me. The Teams are called what they are because of the company's investment and sponsorship. They invest and sponsor a team because they want to raise the profile of their company or business. There are many reasons why Teams are remembered. It could be they are great at marketing the team. Their wins and memorable races. Their memorable kit design whether good or bad, the bikes they ride. Riders profiles and accessibility. There are lots of factors that make a team memorable and to dis a team because their name shows a lack of respect for the company that is willing to prop up money and invest in a team. Without this investment the sport would be dead!
Going along with what you were saying about objective testing of bikes, I want to see a nutrition label format. I want a bb area, headset, aero, lightweight, etc, and I want a scale for hole roundness, aero, stiffness and all of it. I want them all on a database and make it searchable so I can order and sort. That’s my ideal.
Stock bikes with stock parts is excellent but with Zipp wheels will standardise results. Real life tests do matter too. Call him back & push him back to SL8 & why this bike is so close to those Aero bikes?! What’s the magic? The stiff layering is excellent. Aero is everything: Tire setup is key Front end 1-piece cockpit Fork Aero tubes Seatpost Lower and upper stays SL7 & SL8 are so similar, both very clean front ends. This interview gents has propelled you both into a stellar position and I hood you now further enhance your partnership as you both are important in the differing thinking! Call up more experts. SystemSix Vs SuperSix evo Foil vs addicts Get people to discuss these fools Vs Cervelo soloist vs S5 Get engineers to ask why addict, soloist, van rhysel isn’t as great as SL7-8?!
"why this bike is so close to those Aero bikes" bekoz tiz all smoke and mirrors, meant to brainwash morons and get them to drop 15k$ on a bike that is not much better than a bike costing half or less than that. Over the recent 4-5 years GCN and other grifters kept repeating aero is everything, weight doesn't matter - only because aero was the only way to differentiate and sell products which became heavy as F thanks to introduction of disc brakes. Now that they managed to learn how to build lightweight disc brake bikes GCN and other grifters returned to the weight as differentiating factor. GCN even started saying that "over the recent years WE'VE BEEN TOLD that aero is king"... No, ya muppets HAVE BEEN TELLING everyone that. These fukkkers are shameless.
I don't agree with testing aero at 30kph. A 30kph average ride isn't crazy. How many times is there no wind and you therefore ride at 30kph 'airspeed'? Almost never. 15kph or more wind is pretty normal. A lot of my rides are half in to the wind, half with the wind. So half my ride is at 15-20kph airspeed at which we already know the small aero things barely matter. But the other half is 40-45kph airspeed when the small aero does seem to matter.
Team Sky was a great name for a winning team. Ineos, not so much. When I think of Team Sky, I think of a young winning Froome. When I think of Ineos, ... ? Historically, Banesto will always be associated with Indurain. That's memorable and cool, in my mind.
The podcast with tour magazine left me disappointed because like you guys said, there’s nothing groundbreaking right now. But the positive spin on it is the bike doesn’t me Jack if you aren’t world tour 1% so ride the one you like the look of and fits correctly.
I think podcasters have just discovered Stephen Seiler's work and realised that people are interested in "easy" training, and they have latched onto it. Also, I love how Peter Attia is promoting smoking 🚬on his zone 2 ride 😁
I love this talks and I'm a MTB rider that barely rides on asphalt. The reason is my training drive, Jessie's insides about training and the love for biking in general. I love it, but I would love so much more a channel MTB focus! Any suggestions?
I love my Z2 on the bike. I can just fire up the trainer to hit a specific power, turn on the PS5 and game for hours and hours on end. So much better that riding outdoors on the road tbh. The road is BORING, hot, dirty, and worst of all, inefficient. Indoors, you can fix the power to provide a minimum stimuli needed to spur the necessary physiological adaptation. Plus, I have my console to pass the time, which is by far way more mentally engaging than just doggedly peddling while staring at the never ending row of trees which gets stale very quickly.
Have you guys done or considered doing “in real life” content? LR did one and the video banged hard, check the numbers. They even said they were impressed with the views and will do more. You guys have good chemistry and hosting skills that would translate well into the field I think.
We’ve done plenty of these on the channel. I didn’t one from Patterson Pass Road Race last year, and we also did one from the snowy Classic earlier in 2023. Not too mention the 300 videos on the channel from prior to the show ✌🏼
I'd like to see team names stabilise like football teams and make the sport easier to follow. Manchester United doesn't change it's name when it changes sponsors. It's difficult enough to follow the transfers in and out without the team name changing as well.
Agreed, as a fan you want to follow a team with one name, not a name that´s changing every other year. You want to be a fan of the team, not any particular, current sponsor. Selling out your name is a sign of desperation and shows you yourself don´t care about the team name so why should fans care about it....and also the actual team. It might be necessary to get more sponsor money but I´m sure it hurts the sport in the long run.
@jovan.vuckovic agree and one of the problems is that they get nothing from the race organisers' TV and other rights, nor is there any admission fees that the race organisers get that can be shared. The whole business model of the sport is reliant on sponsorship qhich is of dubious value. I don't even know what 80% of the sponsors produce:)
Well, Tadej Pogačar's coach Iñigo San Millán is a huge proponent of Zone 2 training. I'm sure that's where a big part of cyclist talking about Zone 2 training comes from. Maybe you guys talk about Iñigo San Millán in the next episode.
@Chris, I'm with you on Decathlon, i think you started your statement right in the spot, is not only being likeable, is because they are related with the sport, is not a car company is a company that sells sporting goods. And i agree is better to have companies (sponsors) that promote the sport, that does something for the sport, selling equipment, selling nutrition, etc and not oil companies or shady States only wanting to clean money or/and image. Another thing is the team being memorable because they win a lot, they have the best cyclists, that is a different thing. But between both options i prefer to have Sport related companies directly involved
I'm convinced the Zone 2 thing is basically a diet fad. It's become a magical training zone that has all these benefits and isn't even that hard! Polarized training obviously has benefits, but just doing "zone 2" has become a meme.
@@proffate bingo! People don't like to be uncomfortable and certainly don't want to hear, that they're going to have to work hard, if they want to see performance (not just health) results
IDK perhaps forget about all the tech and just ride your bike. You two are wonderful to watch and I understand the need to make money from You Tube. Bottom line is just Pedal Dammit, or as my Emonda says, Go Go go go.
What is up with Specialized? They had a huge sale for available sizes of their cheap RBX tights, and now they are double the price. Very frustrating because I can't find cheaper thermal bibs anywhere. Last time I bought some DeMarchi fleece ones and the material they used was like real silk lycra and its scratchy but seems to hold up like no other but they cost twice as much as I want to pay.
im a regular nero show and top cycling channel lover and yes the attia/huberman health guff has popped up on my pages ....... it does smell a little of marginal gain rose garden so im sure there is a small group who would be into thier content
It is funny watching you guys dance around the fact that the performance of one bike to the next is total BS. the reason the torso is not in the wind tunnel is it would make the results useless. it would be .1w here and .2w there. the bike industry has slung the marginal gains BS for too long and people are getting smart to it.
The Mark Lewis of cycling is maybe giving me more credit than I deserve… I’ll take the price of covid babies title though 😂 Thank you for making the Nero show… it’s most enjoyable cycling podcast by a wide margin imo.
I love your content I ride a little road and high level xc mtb
I think it’s time for a crossover Pod Mr Prince of the Covid Babies! Let’s get you on their Pod… c’mon Chris and Jesse, let’s do it!
Big fan of your channel man. Your videos are really well made!
Tour magazine was a killer episode!
You really need to explain why you swapped sides. You don't make a giant change like that and not explain the reasons.
What the hell, I was confused for hours after viewing the “boys” on opposite sides. Not a good way to start the New Year for me…lol🤣🤣
We need answers
@@stuart3901i had to bail my last interval! my body couldn’t take the confusion anymore
New year, new sides obvs
Allows Chris to keep an eye on the audio readings. Chris answered in a previous comment
❤Love the Tour Magazine chat.
When Jesse gets past 35 years old he will see the health content in a new light.
yeah, he might even stop dumping tons of raw sugar into his ride drinks. I get his points, but as a health conscious 40y/o cyclist I avoid all this super sugary stuff during training rides and resort to fruits and grains. Gels only for races or emergencies for me.
I'd recommend you look into glucose metabolism during exercise. Simple carbs aren't bad per se
@@marcvb3364 isnt a ton of sugar quite heavy? defo going to have a performance impact
I was wondering when Jesse would mention middle aged men again 😜😜
Maybe becoming middle aged is his nightmare? 😮😮😮😄
He just had his first kid.. he won't have to wait till he is 35. The light is there.
Every single week. I have to debate between saving this podcast for the trainer or immediately watching it 😂
Smashing episode lads.
Thanks Jay
@ChrisMillerCycling agree here, keep in mind in my opinion the highest compliment you can give something on UA-cam is "save for the trainer" so don't think too little of that 😄
Both of you are too young to understand. Huberman and Peter Atia are super big in the health and longevity space. Their main audience is the vast ocean of 40+ weekend athletes who are focused on prolonging the semi-youth of their 30s into their 50s and 60s. For this audience, there is no limit to the hope of keeping that youthful vitality going.
Huberman and Peter Attia have some great tipps to improve your health. I listen to their podcasts regularly and implemented some protocols into my life which helped me generally. I rate them highly and can recommend.
Watching the sunrise in the morning is actually pretty amazing. After a few days my sleep will get even better and I feel more awake at work
I agree. As an aging cyclist they talk a lot of sense about strength and mobility.
I am a 40 year old ambitious amateur cyclist (12k km last year, 300W FTP) but I also love weightlifting and am quite health conscious and I enjoy both peter attia's and huberman's podcasts.
Surprised you picked on Peter Attia. In an industry full of snake oil I've always found his content and guests credible, conservative and evidence based. Certainly more than most of what comes out of Joe Rogan!
I’m absolutely at capacity with regards to aero gains, speed and generally the “what’s faster” content that fills up my UA-cam feed. It’s just not relevant to me and especially as someone who rides endurance geometry.
The problem is I’m constantly sold the idea that I could go faster with a new frame or wheels because it’s easy to talk about how something is a few watts faster, when what really matters is how it rides. (Which barely ever seems a consideration)
I’ll give you an example, my BMC Roadmachine is a fairly run of the mill endurance bike, stock wheels and Ultegra di2, it’s not light by any means at 8kg but it climbs fairly well and feels nice out of the saddle, but what completely blew me away was how it handled fast descents in the Pyrenees, utterly superb, confidence inspiring turn in, never feeling twitchy and allowed me to build a rythym and descend as fast if not faster than my friend riding a Bianchi aero frame / Enve wheels costing twice as much.
Last year I took a popular local KOM on my winter bike with Rubinos and mudguards on!
I know the speed talk won’t stop as it’s what gives most channels something to compare products, and I also know it does apply to someone perhaps who is racing, but there are many of us who simply don’t care if a frame is 3 watts faster than theirs.
Tour magazine episode was brilliant 🙏
As an average physically active person with a full time MD job of 220+ work hours per month and a family, working out for 5-6 hours per week is pretty hard to achieve.
Zone 2 is being “pushed” because it is very safe for amateurs and older people and you don’t feel that discomfort as in zone 5 (HR zone), but you still get that metabolic and positive health benefit. That’s why podcasts like Huberman and Attia talk about it as much. Of course if you’re an advanced sports person, you definitely need other forms of exercise to push your potential as much as possible.
I've subbed to Mark Lewis since he was on about 16k people, but I don't know about him being the CrossFit anything. Some Hyrox, sure, but I actually found him because of Zwift and Sufferfest content when he first got his Kickr bike. I don't recall him ever posting anything about CrossFit other than maybe to take the piss out of it
Always love the commenters that seem to be outraged every week, but still tune in and watch an hour long youtube video as soon as it drops.
The Z2 thing in the cycling community, I believe, originated with a GCN video interview with Inigo San Millan and how he handles Pogacar's training. It landed about the same time as Huberman and Atilla started focusing on it as well. I think the reason it has taken over the cycling training discussion is because of the benefits you gain versus the fatigue and effort involved with high intensity training which had dominated the training discussion for the last 5 years. The average punter spending 5-10 hours a week on the bike gets good benefit without the fatigue of HIIT sessions which was what was being pushed so heavily during the lockdown era.
Z2 is nothing new. Outside of the bleeding edge of performance, training isn't that complicated. Just do 2 intense sessions a week, add as much zone 2 as you have time for and do some resistance training as you get older.
You get unique benefits with z2: higher max ATP with fat and more/better mitochondria function which increases lactate metabolism and the glycolytic system.
The Z2 movement was around and pumping years and years before GCN. It probably originated with this study of track athletes doing 14 workouts per week.
@@andrewcockburn7484imo you should do peak tourque training to get neuromuscular adaptation
I love [insert buzzword] it really works for me and my developing neurosis
@Chris, I'm with you on Decathlon, but not only does it make the team more likeable, it also makes me more likely to actually support Decathlon. I can't think of any other team where I would like to support the title sponsor.
If I have 4 hours a week to spend on my bike, with zero intention of becoming some amazing cyclist or riding huge distances, I'd much rather go pretty hard for those hours just because I enjoy it. Is it the optimal way to train? Probably not, but I don't care. I'm not training, I'm just riding my bike as exercise and for mental wellbeing and Zone 2 is incredibly boring.
The way to go
aren't you going to mention the INEOS over-earo helmet??? we all know chris wants one :-)
I really like your show, but sometimes I wonder about your cynicism. Everyone from running coaches, skiing coaches, Pogacars coach and Dylan Johnson says that the best way to train is 80/20 for Z2/HIIT and the two of you are practically laughing about it on the podcast. Weird.
Could it be that Pogacar's zone 2 works for him because his zone 2 is where regular punter would be in zone 5?
@@channul4887 No. Every single person have their own zones.
@@CzarekKukowka that's how they understand it now, give it sometime and the theory will change.
Bio- hacking is a euphemism for two things; bro-science and doping, with quite a lot of overlap.
These podcasts are truly awesome. No matter how bad a day might have been, a new episode makes the day great again.
6:05 Attia is chasing longevity, not cycling performance. If you take a more wholistic view of what Attia is trying to pursue with his personal life and his professional life, the impacts of Z2 on longevity are profound. They aren’t trying to make you a better cyclist, they’re trying to improve your overall health and lifespan.
They conflate cycling training with exercise for general health. It's basically a backdrop to sell their quasi-quackery.
This is 100% correct. He's trying to maximize his "healthspan" not his cycling performance.
@@johnnycab8986I’d disagree. Cycling (especially on a trainer) is a very controllable tool for specific work they are trying to do.
@@thenoclue90 Of course doing Z2 isn't bad for you, it's just that the entire schpiel is basically a bunch of BS to frame some content he can sell. Does someone who does 2 bike rides a week need hyperanalyze what sort of cardio he's doing for those 2 hours a week? No. It's just something used in endurance sport training that he can easily manipulate in presentation to sound authoritative and knowledgeable.
The Nero show narrative is getting dangerously close to "I dont understand it so I should be hating it and it has no place on yt"
I got back into cycling this last year and wanted to learn how to train. Those Peter Attia videos with Inigo were super helpful as far as understanding the benefits of riding endurance. I actually did go from Attia to Dylan Johnson then found this channel and others. Also, I think Peter has done Triathalons and done large volumes of cycling and swimming if I'm not mistaken. Maybe not an elite competitive cyclist but good resource nonetheless.
I predict we will be seeing more of these color contrasts on the insides of forks/chainstays going forward like Pinarello have done on that Zwift collab frame
I'm glad you two are finally getting that modern bikes are basically the same. Based on all the current data. You either buy the Simplon Pride 2 or the Tarmac. The Simplon is the fastest bike in the world on any flatish course. The Tarmac, only if the course has very sustained climbing. Of interest other European magazines have done similar wind tunnel testing. In high yaw wind conditions the Simplon is significantly faster than any other bike available. As much as 20w at 40kph. The Tour test averages the whole yaw sweep which actually hides the bikes rather significant advantage in crosswinds. It's simply the first bike to fully maximize the new relaxed UCI tube profile rules. It's also designed by some very talented aerodynamicists. It really deserves a much larger audience.
This is a miss on what Attia is trying to achieve. He's not a cyclist. He's using the trainer to spend zero-impact time on zone 2, for all the proven benefits it provides to longevity.
Basing your opinion of Attia and Huberman on some shorts or clips is just completely the wrong way round. They'll spend an hour explaining the actual neuroscience behind it all to then extract some useful 'protocols'. Huberman is probably the most nuanced, and has the most disclaimers I've ever heard from a podcaster.
Say the podcast about sleep. They are not about biohacking, although some things are mentioned of course. They are about realising how fundamentally important sleep is for humans in all aspects of our life.
I would almost say that we are at peak aero for framesets. If something is up there in the ballpark in the tests (which lets face it - all the aero marketed bikes are, even if they are only CFD designed) then the other metrics (stiffness, weight) become bigger differentiators. Whilst there are some lighter framesets the majority is still in components, so it then comes down to layup, stiffness, flex... which comes round to the original point - subjective ride feel, tyres and value are the most important things... so pick the bike that is in the ballpark and gives you 'I frickin love it' vibes.
I find it fascinating that the SL8 performed so well in the wind tunnel despite not having the typical aero frame design. Kudos to the engineers. 👍
Regarding product reviews: As a reviewer myself, I find it difficult to find a balance between presenting objective metrics and subjective feelings. When the reviewer leans more towards feelings, he may be attacked by people for making things up (although he does present his real feelings). Conversely, purely objective metrics can be "dry" and may not reflect the real-world use of a given product. As always, it also depends on the audience. 🤷♂ In the time I've been listening to you guys, I have a feeling that satisfying you won't be easy, haha. 😅
I’d pay to see Jesse ride a bunch of the latest bikes.
Hi guys, I started listening to the Nero show on the trainer and have finally caught up, I like how authentic you are, it's pretty rare amongst the cycling youtube community! I listened to all the 78 episodes and there is one question that I would really like you to address:
Bigorexia: most cyclists want to get better, faster, stronger, etc. But father time is undefeated, so how would you handle the inevitable decrease in performance?
Greetings from Switzerland!
Jesse nailed this one. A lot of my friends are in the bio-hacking bubble and they tend to focus on the marginal gains and downplay or forget the large effect stuff like sleeping 8 hours and they tend to be neurotic/obsessive over the small things
👏🏻
I have to say that you are off target with the zone 2 discussion. Your discussion seems to say, "we only pay attention to real pro cyclists and staff for our training advice," but Dr San Milan is part of the performance staff for UAE team Emirates. If you listen to Tadej or Van der Poel or other riders discuss their training or watch people "out for a ride with the pro's" they discuss their goals in terms of zones and using zone 2 work. While I, as a cardiovascular physician, don't think it is any wonder pill, there is hard data behind it. Your detraction of it references no data, so as others have commented you do seem like- 'I don't understand it, so it must be junk.' May I remind you both, neither of you are pro racers and your top performance days are likely in their rearview mirror. You better start thinking about how you are going to sustain the activity you love into your later years. Most of your viewers likely like me and take the Huberman's and Attia's with a grain of salt, but both are exotically well trained and are quoting hard data.
Doesn't Mark Lewis hate cross fit?
Boyer's race report was Pittsburgh, not San Francisco! The Dirty Dozen (except it really should be called the "Dirty Bakers' Dozen" because there are 13 killer hills).
Mitch's contnt is good and well produced. I think he gave Mark "credit" for his style.
Thank god I got back into cycling as I leave middle age and am entering my autumn years - I got to miss out on all the "health" stuff being pumped out relentlessly!! Less stressful and more fun being ignorant😊. That stuff just zones me out.
You guys are giggling at legit studies that are vastly beneficial to overall health. I love that guys like Attia and Huberman exist, opportunists or not… the information is greatly appreciated and doesn’t require obsession.
You can find all of the studies they talk about yourself, or just try some new things in your life - the benefits are pretty stunning.
Cheers.
Exactly. If you want to criticise, come up with proofs. not even an Atia fan, but struggling to understand what their point was, except for basic bitchin, with a flare of snobbery on the side.
They don't say anything about it being bad. Just that it's exactly what you say, advice for overall health. Not advice for elite performance. Any mild criticism was for people who _do_ want to train at an elite level spending more time on general health advice than the training advice that will get them the performance that they're after.
What's the issue Chris? If you listen to Dr (note Dr) Peter Attia, his focus is on health and longevity. He does deep dives into many aspects of exercise and health. Aerobic endurance training was just one of the topics he covered in depth last year. As Jesse states in the video, he does a couple hours of aerobic endurance (in his case on a bike as he rides) some VO2 work, resistance trains a couple a week and pays attention to diet. He sees that as a solid foundation for health and longevity. Again, what's the issue?
When the growth of cycling is coming from Master's riders, many being busy professional males, I think the crossover between this cycling segment and advice on overall health is quite natural.
Pure Envy, seems like it. I wonder If they have listened to atleast one full episode from Huberman...
That Zwift-Pinarello is so cool.
I think the sound of the name is what matters
Jumbo Visma beats Visma Lease a Bike
Trek Segafredo beats Lidl Trek
Most people outside of Europe wont know or care who Jumbo or Lidl are...
All i learned from the tour mag interview was that the only way to chose a bike now is by color. They are all the same
EF, Cannondale, Rapha and Palace were probably the best collab ever.
I am indeed someone who got into Huberman/Attia stuff last year while trying to get healthy after my son was born. Led to getting a bike for zone 2 exercise and quickly became a cycling obsession that had me starting structured workouts trying to get better and better on the bike. I guess I have to thank those health gurus for getting me into cycling, but I do have to roll my eyes at the content I initially enjoyed. Peter Attia talks about him and his patients aiming for an elite vo2 max of someone 10 years younger....all on a few hours of zone 2 and a couple 4x4 sessions a week. Oh man, I wish it were that easy!
Jimmy John’s sandwiches need to sponsor a team and launch their brand in the EU. They are big with delivery by cycle.
I have seen the Zwift Dogma in person. It’s alive and well in LA.
Listening to talk you about not liking the Decathlon kit because of the baby blue and black bibs while over your shoulder is the Nero kit with contains baby blue and black bibs
Thanks Chris. Tony no longer thinks you're big timing us.
The aero test I really want to see is comparing stuff for us mere mortals, specifically us commuter types. Get at least 30 of us, put us on the road bikes we already use, then compare things like lycra vs normal clothes, and within that t-shirt and jeans vs suit, for example. Compare hoods vs drops vs aero hoods. Compare backpack vs pannier vs frame bag vs more exotic setups. Hell maybe even throw in some hybrid bikes. And do it at normal commutery pace, which for me is 10-15mph (yay city cycling!). This whole thing would be suuuuuper expensive both in money and in time, but this is the kind of shit that's actually relevant to me. For example, how much of a difference would lycra actually make on my morning commute, and is it worth changing once I get there?
You guys are missing one point about Decathlon. Yes it is the place where we buy sporting goods but it's popular because you can buy a "good enough" snowboard for 150€ instead of 600€, and it's popular because you can get cheap compression underwear with comparable quality to Nike or UA , cheap but durable backpacks, cheap everything basically...
So while people enjoy the existence of their stores I don't think anyone would straight up identify with Decathlon as a fan and say "hey that's my team, I wear some of their generic brand tshirts when I go to the gym"
And the whole Van Rysel brand is one of their upsell brands, in the store you will have the beginner bib shorts for like 30€, then the intermediate ones for 60€ and then the Van Rysel "pro" ones for 120€
Hats off to Team Novo Nordisk. They are doing a fantastic job in trying to raise awareness regarding Type 1 Diabetes. Their Pro rider roster have Type 1 Diabetes. The team have done some really good documentaries about the team, training and whats it like to live with and be a professional with diabetes.
For team names to be memorable for me, I think it's more about the riders or having a great jersey. Ones that stick in my mind for example are Del Tongo (classic jersey), Z-Peugeot (cracking jersey, Greg Lemond, Robert Millar), La Vie Claire (cracking jersey, Hinault, LeMond, Hampsten, Bauer), Café de Colombia (simple but striking jersey, Luis Herera), Banesto (Delgado, Induráin, Zülle), Europcar (Voeckler) etc. Plenty more, but it's all about the riders I enjoy watching and the jerseys I'd wear. :D
I feel like the “ ah ha “ moment for me last week was the difference in deeper wheels. I have 60mm on my Strada 3T and have been looking to upgrade to the Cervelo S5, however the model I was looking at only had 40-45mm and I was disappointed thinking they wouldn’t be as great. Now knowing there is only minimal difference in watts, it helps
Am I only one who started getting Huberman clips after listening to this episode? 😂
This UA-cam algorithm knows just when to pounce
I like your tenor as sort of newspaper ombudsmen for the Wide World of Cycling and regarding sponsors and team names, as an American, it never got better than 7-Eleven, a popular convenience-store chain putting money into a team of North Americans to compete on the big stages of Western Europe in the '80s. And I thought it was cool that the final big sponsor of Laurent Fignoun was Gatorade, the original sports drink for ball-sports players. And every sponsor, really, is great as it takes them to put up the big money to keep the big wheels rolling, tho' as Jesse says, friendly and relatable sponsors are best, like for me, my first road race was in '75 in Frankfurt, West Germany for American teen military dependents and it was sponsored by the USO and 7-Up and I won a new Peugeot bicycle for doing my thing. And I appreciated all three of those sponsors then and now for making that day happen for a bunch of kids who were willing to show up for a bike race.
regarding team names in the pro peloton: as someone who doesn't follow the world tour that closely the team names changing year to year make It really hard to follow for a lay-person.
I biohacked myself by smoking 120g of weed per month. Presently I’ve a FTP around 400 and I’m AIMING for 450. I’ll just have to smoke more weed.
Have you heard about the pros of the white nasal coffee? No water required.
I feel like I've fallen into the twilight zone. I never heard of this until a few days ago, when my brother on Strava commented he was doing a Zone 2 ride, which was a shoulder shrug to me, cos my analysis is typically 75% Z3, 25% Z4, now I see this. I think this stuff is really valuable as inspiration for the average bloke, something they can relate to or actually aspire to. Jesse is right saying it's not about high performance competitive stuff, but for most off us, that's not something we aspire to. Facing the sun for 10 mins sounds like a great idea. I was always a fan of getting some sun on my nuts, for sure, but then, I grew up as a surfy hippie, so it fits.
Great episode, Happy New Year to you and yours. I agree with Jesse about the zone 2 benefits, one has to be naive to dismiss the importance of zone 2 but more naive to believe is a cyclic performance exercise, just listen to Peter when he says any type of exercise will do, zone 2 is a cardio /vascular/regeneration benefit and not a performance cycling one. About the SL8 being so advanced and blah blah blah, how come no one ever investigates how much difference the bike made for a pro race, when a more superior aero bike finishes 1st and another more pedestrian frame comes in 2nd if it the rider ? Or the bike? Could be easily measured . I believe all these tests and data analysis are meant for the enthusiast consumer and not the pros, a pro must ride what the team offers when a consumer can chose his bike and buy into how much a Sl8 could help him.
The baby blue was very popular in the pro peloton in the the early 2000's. Might be a factor why it hasnt aged well
On Jesse's bit about the pro-conti teams, some of those companies have tons of money and the pittance of an investment is still worth. Case in point : Danish pharma company Novo Nordisk. They are a leading producer of all sorts of diabetes medications and have and annual revenue well over 24 BILLION euro.
All of the pro team's riders are type 1 diabetics. Their founder/CEO, a T1 diabetic himself, is Phil Southerland. He also happens to be founder/CEO of Supersapiens, working with / piggybacking on Abbott Labs' CGM tech for that (and smartly upselling it to non-diabetics).
I loved the baby blue with the orange of the Bahrain Merida Team. I think the reason it sucks in this case is cause it looks flat
I am with Mearns cycling club in the UK. Our main dealer supports great bikes, pedal power in west Calder was founded by a former winning cyclist. He understands if we need to spend £6k we need to test bikes. The most our club spent was a ridiculous £18,000 Dogma! On average we spend £5-6k now. Prices are insanely high & I suspect we will spend less now.
Dealers used to have loan trial bikes to test them out. This needs to return.
You must be doing well with UA-cam commercials every 5 minutes this show....
Happy 2024 🎉
how do you not use an ad free browser in 2024?? they're free even :-)
Do you want everything for free🤷♂️
People love the idea of Zone 2 because it means you do not have to work hard, just do Zone 2. I’m 59yrs old and I know that my increased fitness comes with intensity. The kind that hurts and makes you not want to do that again. I need more Zone 1 and Zone 2 for the increased recovery time because of my age. Thanks, and keep up the good work you do for the show.
I think Z2 and VO2 stuff is good for longevity markers etc so is all the rage atm for middle aged people everywhere. Anyway I spent so many hrs watching Hubermann and Attia I didn't get around to doing any training last yr ;)
The Tour Magazine episode was great. I remember listening to it and thinking that there were a couple of cultural misunderstandings… he always answered the questions you asked and perhaps didn’t get the subtext and context behind the questions that your regular audience understood. I came to the same conclusion as you guys that it’s ultimately about the feel of the bike and I wonder if we will see more of a bike leasing model that may allow for this more, but could also be quite wasteful and lead to bikes being designed without durability in mind. Particularly with sponsors like “lease-a-bike” coming in as well as Decathlon, who could incorporate a leasing mode with relative ease. Curious on what others think about this
The comments in the vid were spot on.
A German Engineer will answer the specific question. No leading the witness. Know your guest.
Decathlon is only recently known to me in the US because of UA-cam. I don't think the sponsors, unless known worldwide, change the view of the team. Ferrari would make a splash because they're known for other racing, but most don't matter.
Jesse saying Quickstep, the team with the most wins since 2003 when it was founded, is totally forgetable? But he remembers the teams that win the most?
The talk about team names was a bit of a meh moment for me. The Teams are called what they are because of the company's investment and sponsorship. They invest and sponsor a team because they want to raise the profile of their company or business. There are many reasons why Teams are remembered. It could be they are great at marketing the team. Their wins and memorable races. Their memorable kit design whether good or bad, the bikes they ride. Riders profiles and accessibility. There are lots of factors that make a team memorable and to dis a team because their name shows a lack of respect for the company that is willing to prop up money and invest in a team. Without this investment the sport would be dead!
Going along with what you were saying about objective testing of bikes, I want to see a nutrition label format. I want a bb area, headset, aero, lightweight, etc, and I want a scale for hole roundness, aero, stiffness and all of it. I want them all on a database and make it searchable so I can order and sort. That’s my ideal.
Stock bikes with stock parts is excellent but with Zipp wheels will standardise results. Real life tests do matter too.
Call him back & push him back to SL8 & why this bike is so close to those Aero bikes?! What’s the magic? The stiff layering is excellent.
Aero is everything:
Tire setup is key
Front end 1-piece cockpit
Fork
Aero tubes
Seatpost
Lower and upper stays
SL7 & SL8 are so similar, both very clean front ends.
This interview gents has propelled you both into a stellar position and I hood you now further enhance your partnership as you both are important in the differing thinking! Call up more experts.
SystemSix Vs SuperSix evo
Foil vs addicts
Get people to discuss these fools
Vs
Cervelo soloist vs S5
Get engineers to ask why addict, soloist, van rhysel isn’t as great as SL7-8?!
"why this bike is so close to those Aero bikes"
bekoz tiz all smoke and mirrors, meant to brainwash morons and get them to drop 15k$ on a bike that is not much better than a bike costing half or less than that. Over the recent 4-5 years GCN and other grifters kept repeating aero is everything, weight doesn't matter - only because aero was the only way to differentiate and sell products which became heavy as F thanks to introduction of disc brakes. Now that they managed to learn how to build lightweight disc brake bikes GCN and other grifters returned to the weight as differentiating factor. GCN even started saying that "over the recent years WE'VE BEEN TOLD that aero is king"... No, ya muppets HAVE BEEN TELLING everyone that. These fukkkers are shameless.
I don't agree with testing aero at 30kph. A 30kph average ride isn't crazy. How many times is there no wind and you therefore ride at 30kph 'airspeed'? Almost never.
15kph or more wind is pretty normal. A lot of my rides are half in to the wind, half with the wind. So half my ride is at 15-20kph airspeed at which we already know the small aero things barely matter. But the other half is 40-45kph airspeed when the small aero does seem to matter.
Team Sky was a great name for a winning team. Ineos, not so much. When I think of Team Sky, I think of a young winning Froome. When I think of Ineos, ... ? Historically, Banesto will always be associated with Indurain. That's memorable and cool, in my mind.
Pissei X NERO Show would be a good collab ;-)
The podcast with tour magazine left me disappointed because like you guys said, there’s nothing groundbreaking right now. But the positive spin on it is the bike doesn’t me Jack if you aren’t world tour 1% so ride the one you like the look of and fits correctly.
Best cycling podcast show there is 🎉🎉🎉
I think podcasters have just discovered Stephen Seiler's work and realised that people are interested in "easy" training, and they have latched onto it. Also, I love how Peter Attia is promoting smoking 🚬on his zone 2 ride 😁
I wanted to say that para athletes competed in the US Gravel Nats this year in the USA. If I remember correctly, they had two categories.
I love this talks and I'm a MTB rider that barely rides on asphalt. The reason is my training drive, Jessie's insides about training and the love for biking in general. I love it, but I would love so much more a channel MTB focus! Any suggestions?
I love my Z2 on the bike. I can just fire up the trainer to hit a specific power, turn on the PS5 and game for hours and hours on end.
So much better that riding outdoors on the road tbh. The road is BORING, hot, dirty, and worst of all, inefficient. Indoors, you can fix the power to provide a minimum stimuli needed to spur the necessary physiological adaptation. Plus, I have my console to pass the time, which is by far way more mentally engaging than just doggedly peddling while staring at the never ending row of trees which gets stale very quickly.
Is this a low key p155take? I hope so, otherwise "lord have mercy".
Team Old Spice-Crest with red and blue kits would be a hit. Haha. I'm sure Proctor and Gamble has the cash.
Cannondale MoMo Design bars 👌
Imagine here in Australia a world tour team called Rebel sports something team. I honestly think that would be a big thing for our sports
Have you guys done or considered doing “in real life” content? LR did one and the video banged hard, check the numbers. They even said they were impressed with the views and will do more.
You guys have good chemistry and hosting skills that would translate well into the field I think.
We’ve done plenty of these on the channel. I didn’t one from Patterson Pass Road Race last year, and we also did one from the snowy Classic earlier in 2023.
Not too mention the 300 videos on the channel from prior to the show ✌🏼
@@ChrisMillerCyclingif you do it live you will get influeza/grifters' favourite treat, i.e. "superchat money".
Mitch Boyer reported on the hill climbing condo in Pittsburg PA.
I'd like to see team names stabilise like football teams and make the sport easier to follow. Manchester United doesn't change it's name when it changes sponsors. It's difficult enough to follow the transfers in and out without the team name changing as well.
Agreed, as a fan you want to follow a team with one name, not a name that´s changing every other year. You want to be a fan of the team, not any particular, current sponsor. Selling out your name is a sign of desperation and shows you yourself don´t care about the team name so why should fans care about it....and also the actual team. It might be necessary to get more sponsor money but I´m sure it hurts the sport in the long run.
Im well aware of Man U I, but I couldn't tell you the sponsor on the front of the Man U shirt is now.
Cycling teams struggle with sponsors even like this...
@jovan.vuckovic agree and one of the problems is that they get nothing from the race organisers' TV and other rights, nor is there any admission fees that the race organisers get that can be shared. The whole business model of the sport is reliant on sponsorship qhich is of dubious value. I don't even know what 80% of the sponsors produce:)
Gotta check you there. My brother in law is a product of the Huberman / Attia to zwifter pipeline.
A shop in Adelaide is selling one of those zwift frames as they were given to employees
Well, Tadej Pogačar's coach Iñigo San Millán is a huge proponent of Zone 2 training. I'm sure that's where a big part of cyclist talking about Zone 2 training comes from. Maybe you guys talk about Iñigo San Millán in the next episode.
@Chris, I'm with you on Decathlon, i think you started your statement right in the spot, is not only being likeable, is because they are related with the sport, is not a car company is a company that sells sporting goods. And i agree is better to have companies (sponsors) that promote the sport, that does something for the sport, selling equipment, selling nutrition, etc and not oil companies or shady States only wanting to clean money or/and image.
Another thing is the team being memorable because they win a lot, they have the best cyclists, that is a different thing. But between both options i prefer to have Sport related companies directly involved
In terms of team finances... I would be really curious how the Asian teams operate...
I'm convinced the Zone 2 thing is basically a diet fad. It's become a magical training zone that has all these benefits and isn't even that hard! Polarized training obviously has benefits, but just doing "zone 2" has become a meme.
There is high demand for videos saying that easy training is the best training 🤔
It's the basis of most pros training for the past 30 years..
@@andrewwoffinden8671 it may be a significant portion of training time, but it is not what makes them fast
@@proffate bingo! People don't like to be uncomfortable and certainly don't want to hear, that they're going to have to work hard, if they want to see performance (not just health) results
but without it they wouldn't be able to be fast.. @@EBcycling
IDK perhaps forget about all the tech and just ride your bike. You two are wonderful to watch and I understand the need to make money from You Tube. Bottom line is just Pedal Dammit, or as my Emonda says, Go Go go go.
Huberman podcast just announced #1 overall on Apple 😳
What is up with Specialized? They had a huge sale for available sizes of their cheap RBX tights, and now they are double the price. Very frustrating because I can't find cheaper thermal bibs anywhere. Last time I bought some DeMarchi fleece ones and the material they used was like real silk lycra and its scratchy but seems to hold up like no other but they cost twice as much as I want to pay.
Ruru Aroora does sound good!
im a regular nero show and top cycling channel lover and yes the attia/huberman health guff has popped up on my pages ....... it does smell a little of marginal gain rose garden so im sure there is a small group who would be into thier content
How about a Garmin Deda collab with the screen now integrated into the bar. I’ll be waiting for the commission cheque
It is funny watching you guys dance around the fact that the performance of one bike to the next is total BS. the reason the torso is not in the wind tunnel is it would make the results useless. it would be .1w here and .2w there. the bike industry has slung the marginal gains BS for too long and people are getting smart to it.
Love the Patterson Pass T....... shout out to the Central Valley