I'm getting this comment a lot so just one major clarification: You do not have to go for a launch every time. I use it as a major example here, but the comments are right, it's much safer much of the time to use a less risky option. Now some people are mentioning that you should wait and react to a whiffed option. I think as you progress through your Tekken journey, I would agree. However for a new player, I think simply sidestepping and using an option as part of a sequence is a totally fine way to begin implementing this idea into your game plan. Sorry for not making this more clear in the video!
“It can’t be on a hope and a prayer, it has to be informed,” is a great way to put that. You’re really good at putting something that could be a complicated explanation into a really concise sentence.
I've played competitive Tekken since TTT1 and generally it goes like this: - Most characters will have a "top 10 most used moves" (some players will try to get a bit more creative, so it's always good to potentially up the number and prepare for others), most moves will **generally** have a weaker side, figure out what side that is. - As a **general rule of thumb** (there are exceptions, these will need to be labbed), opponents' moves that are left limbed, you sidestep to *YOUR* left (if you're on the left side of the screen/player 1, then you sidestep up, flip things around for right side/player 2). - Try to get information from your opponent and make plays off their habits, do a jab, do they try to duck after? Do a mid after you jab then. Swap your jab out for another move and figure out their habits and how they try to approach a match. This will help your general gameplay but then also get you thinking about how to make informed decisions. Of course, sometimes you will be wrong but at the very least you're not going in completely blind.
i just practice what you said in some matches and i notice an few players like to jab after i do a df2 so i just sidestep and punish them. what other ways should i use sidestep?
@@weswes6312 I think learn certain moves or strings you know to be commonly used by players and learn how to SS those. For example against DVJ, figure out the situations to SS after his b,f+2,1 strings and how to SS his EWGF. Or for Bryan, maybe learn the sorta feel for SSing his b+1 or 3+4. You just want to learn how to SS against certain options that opponents have.
Whoever wrote the Transcript or subtitled the video did an amazing job. It is at best inconvenient, and at worst incredibly counter-productive, to use captions to convey information when it's done word-per-word. But when the whole next sentence is available, you can read it entirely then get back to what's happening in the rest of the screen. Thank you. m( _ )m
0:44 you can actually make your sidestep safe by cancelling it with block. The most optimal way I've found from the pros & youtube is that you have to sidewalk then block as soon as the sidewalk animation starts. Load up a replay of Arslan, JDCR or Knee and you'd see the same thing in action. Easier said than done in a real match as a beginner but you can train this by making the CPU punish with a homing move on block. I think the move needs to be at least -3 on block, otherwise, do not even try to sidestep
Important to note that with some moves and strings you need to delay your punish from sidestep or the act of attacking will extend your hurtbox into the move you evaded.
I'd like to add that shouldn't really sidestep automatically into an attack unless you really have a super hard read like shown in the video. If sidestepping is risky, sidestepping and attacking rght after is even worse. Doesn't mean it's a bad strat, but that shouldn't be your main use of sidestepping up close. What you want to do ideally is to sidestep and then immediately block, see if your opponent whiffed a reasonably slow move, and then do your punish. And dont be greedy, it doesn't need to always be a launcher. Better to do a quick punish than risk failing a slower one and get punished yourself. As a general tip, always find the safest way to apply a strategy. The longer you stay alive the more opportunities and info you'll get.
Dude, you're blowing up, and it's so well deserved. You cover the concepts and philosophies of the game so well and have answered so many of my questions. Keep up the good work, and God bless. 👍
Unless you're anticipating a specific move or positioning it's almost always better to sidestep to your opponent's OUTSIDE. (Meaning the direction which will place your closer to their back) moves that track will often hit you to the opponent's inside, so be mindful of this. Some characters can change their footing, also when you switch sides, the "outside" of your opponent reverses too. So if you were on the left, sidestep to the background to get to Kazuya's outside. If you're on the right, sidestep toward the screen.
Good videos, this is what is actually useful to new players. Simple intuition broken down into clear steps to get people thinking in the right direction. Most youtubers are just faffing on about how complicated the game is and useless info dumps on differences from previous titles.
I came to this conclusion as well. I was searching options of why I don't see better players jabbing so often. I understand that crouching beats jab, but it's still very risky to do this. I think sidestep is the answer.
Not only does crouching beat jab like you said, you have to understand any attack thrown out has the potential to get punished. Not all jabs are equal. That’s where the poking game comes in and you lose a round to an opponent that has their punishes on point. Now factor in throw breaking, good defense and then sidestepping? Now your up against a threat
Thank you for the video! By the time I saw it, I already learned the hard way :’) but I’m glad that this exists to make it easier for newer folks to understand!
Hey great vid. You said that you came from mostly 2D fighting games and yes, you are correct about sidesteps being a solid option when on minus. I just have a comment regarding your subtitles, I highly suggest writing notation inputs, like writing Leo ff2 or Feng cd1 instead of Leo forward forward 2, or Feng Crouch dash 1, as it can help newbies learn how to read them for Tekken 8. Keep up the great work loops!
I was getting launched randomly by just happening to sidestep in neutral and getting unlucky. The fact that you shouldn't step upclose while in neutral but from further range it's more viable is something I didn't realise until now. Great info.
Although I agree that you can go on a predetermined sequence like sidestep into launch, it is possible to confirm what the opponent whiffed and then react accordingly. This is a very high level thing but if you find yourself at an advanced level, it's something you could work on to go up to the next level. It's kind of an oldschool playstyle but koreans like JDCR and Knee are gods at confirming a whiff into a punish from sidestep. Not necessary at low-intermediate levels though.
Honestly a great informative video! I rarely sidestep but I'll start including it because it's annoying to have duels whereby we're both just blocking a ton.
This is a great lesson on reads as well. Wonder why there aren’t many dedicated videos to that subject as it’s something I would think all beginners should at least be aware of.
One part you'll hear about tekken-heads is that if you do " sidestep and launch as a complete sequence and not try to react", You can sometimes preemptively attack before your opponent's attack has finished yet, which can actually "expand your hitbox" and make you WAY more likely to be hit instead of evading their attack. One thing to note is moves with a double or triple forward, quater forward or come out from a wavesdash can sometimes have some extra tracking because of doing the input can help realign against the opponent.
I'll add to this that it is also likely to happen if you have dedicated yourself to 2D fighters before switching to Tekken. This is because you get used to have less time to do things and have quicker reactions, so you do things not considering that everything, including active frames, take much longer so even if you read correctly predicting too much ahead is very dangerous
Been playing 2D FGs for years and I have that genre down pat, but I started 3D with Tekken 7 and sidestepping has always been so foreign to me. And every video that talks about it became so convoluted to me. This was exactly what I needed to hear right now because I have been sidestepping in between strings just to get clipped in the end.
I like to think of it like as an extension of a string mentally that makes it easier to parse. So say 2,3 leaves me -2f so in my head the string is 2,3,u(d),delay,b which makes it safer and blocks tracking moves that are 12f or greater if you see the whiff then punish. You can counter this by pressing forward before you attack to realign with opponents off axis. As you get more and more fluid with movement in the game a common thing to add in your gameplan to try and open up an opponent or learn how they react is jab SS cancel, kbd, b then just see what they do. SS cancel, high crush or low crush are other possible options as well if your character has viable "safe" moves for these things. Pressing back on sidestep cancels the SS instantly, easy shortcut would be u, delay, ub, b or d, delay, db, b. Using this you can micro step for realignment in combos or most usefully with sidestep cancel then duck into punish as the cancel makes ducking faster possible.
This is a bit more advanced but sidestepping from really upclose increases the angle of the sidestep. So yeah, walking forward and then immediately sidestepping as soon as you "touch" your opponent is a thing. It creates whiffs that regular sidesteps would not create. At your own risk though. Lab it before trying.
3k hours in T7 and placed okay in locals. This guide is fine for beggginers. Sidestepping when you are -5 to plus is usually okay. And you are right you can do that after a move like a df1. Doing d/f 1 SS hopkick to beat a jab can work - just make sure you are consciously doing it as a read and don't autopilot this flowchart. Usually you want to look out for a wiff and wiff punish big moves on reaction. When you get more experience with the game you should be sidestepping with a move in mind. But this comes down to matchup knowledge and studying situations. A good idea is to lab each characters main techniques and figure out which direction (if any) they are weak to. Then during a match you may think something like -- huh my opponent only approaches me with moves that can be stepped -- or the opposite when playing vs Steve and Bryan 😅
It might also be worth pointing out that there is usually a certain direction you want to sidestep in, depending on your opponent. Against Kazuya, for example, you generally want to sidestep left
thats what i came up when really trying to maximize movement usage in my gameplay: treat sidestepping in netral like a counterhit attempt, because attaks realign when the button is pressed, so if you happen to start your sidewalk right after your opponent presses it will whiff unless its azucena wr32. Also i use sideteps to create timing mixup easy example: pauls df4 is -2ob everything pressed on instant timing will whiff on sidewalk, so your opponent options are: mash and get launched, use a homing move and get thrown/magic4d or just stand still and watch you walk so mix up is how long they gonna watch you? i kinda remember that i try to catch timing very effective played against my ghost doing that and its really, really hard to deal with. also baby sidestep block is super safe and can lead to huge reward i just randomly do this while beeing ready for whiff good shit
I watch TMMSWE cause he breaks the game down and really shows me how to play. I INSTANTLY subbed on how you explained things and really taught me things the last few videos. I took a big break from tekken after grinding 7 for so long. Came back to play 8 and was really rusty. Helping you teach me what I lost and new things so easily is amazing. Great videos and great youtuber thanks for the content!
Undervalued tech - for most male chracters sidestepping and instant crouch will evade and is necessary in most cases. Use it in replay (also doubles as a good os for lows). You do get blown up by some mids.
Actually what you wanna do is do something like df1 then side step and see if they whiffed something. If it's a move with fast recovery then simply perform a fast attack you don't need a launch every time or you can do something that's plus on block and gives you pressure or you can go for a mixup because they saw your side step and will try to block upcoming attack. You can go for side step into launcher or any other button without confirming the whiff which leaves you susceptible to counter hits but it depends on character to character since kazuya has df2 a homing counter hit launcher. Launch on attacks with large recovery like kazuyas f2, ff2, f4, ewhf etc. You can also perform a sidewalk for better evasion. Learn which side is weak for each character. I'll try making a video for better explanation.
Wanna sidestep in neutral!? You just need to intricately know the move-sets and game-plans of all 32 characters. You also need to know which specific direction to sidestep for many of those moves. Also a lot of times it’s not reacting, it’s guessing they are gonna throw out (this) move (because you need to know their character move-set and game-plan) basically just memorize the entire game and meta then you might be able to start implementing sidesteps. Start off with popular/high tier characters. Getting to be a high level player on fighting games is like a job but they say you never work if you love what you do.
I noticed i practice mode that side step hop kick was a pretty good way to steal a combo. Never got one off in a match though. Might be the goal today.
Do you have a “when to duck” video? I am learning on my own how to add ducking in in Shinryu. I know it essentially steals the turn since usually highs are typically the close range turn initiator. Right now my go to is to duck then use my i10 ws or my i14 launch at a gap, or duck then interrupt with d4 then t sweep kick. Anyways it gets deep and I would love some help! Thanks
I noticed when playing Leo in Tekken 7 that he becomes extremely evasive when doing sidestep into hopkick. You barely need to travel half the sidestep for the opponent's attack to whiff and then get launched.
Some characters have really bad tracking on their key moves, and they recover super slowly, so you can whiff punish easily. In my experience Brian, Asuka and the bears are such characters. Just abuse the side stepping until you get them to start using slow homing moves and either counter hit them or block and use the frames to mix them.
Sidestepping as part of an attack string is doable, as well defensively against the strings I've learned. The real issue for me, as a beginner, is timing the steps against attacks coming from a distance... How do you do it, is it random? Reaction-based? Is there some specific method?
Poking into sidestep into nothing is also good too. You can whiff punish on reaction very effectively without committing to a launcher on a read. This also lets you gather data and condition the opponent.
Thanks, man. This was actually really helpful. Is sidestepping an effective tool against very spammy, high-pressure characters like Steve and Hwoarang or do I just have to duck/block and punish them?
i dont know if anyone mentioned this but u can block and sidestep at the same time by sidestep then cancel by imputing back during the input. this only works for highs and mids tho plz ping this people need to know this tech btw my credibility is ganyu rank
I started sidestepping after getting blasted by someone that was abusing an attack that seemed too good to be true and I found out by accident it was terrible on whiff and sidestepping always made it miss(shame I only realized after losing two matches in a row lol)
Important note every character in tekken has a strong and weak side to side step. I havnt learned all of it for 8 but like that's a rule that's still mostly true in alot of 3d fighters and previous tekkens.
I feel like it’s the exact opposite. I think most of the character side step is buffed a bit on T8. But Lili’s got even better now that her ↘️1 is only -1 on block and her SS 1+2 is 0 and got even more -2 attacks. Those really compliments her SS game.
tbh, if i want to look cool, i will try to side walk instead of side step, because not only this is safer in my opinion, but if you have good timing, its pretty safe, i always do it on hopes and prayers. i just read for any incoming tracking attacks. if you have good timing, sidewalk is pretty much jin's parry but a little different. im currently having trouble with diarrhea and learning combos from the side, and especially wall distance combo optimization on sidestepping. edit: if you really want to troll your opponent and punch him in the ass, if you are jin, sidewalk into the foreground and then do U+2. lmao its always so funny and opens up the opponent
Funny how only recently I learned that 1 = Left Punch and 2 = Right Punch. (Been playing since Tekken 3) So with this new information, if you notice that the jab is coming from the 2. Then you want to side step to the left
It's a bit more complex than this, but worth keeping in mind. Small correction: Their 2 would be their right hand, which since they're facing you covers your left side. You would have to sidestep to your right to avoid a strike from their right.
quick question, how did you conclude that you have 9 frames to move around, was it beacuse the df1 was -1 on hit which meant that your best case was to ss ?
I know I have 9 frames because df1 is -1 on block, and the fastest thing my opponent can do is 10 frames. SS isn't necessarily the best case, it's just one of many options you can integrate here. I cover a few more in my "never lose to mashing" video.
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I'm getting this comment a lot so just one major clarification: You do not have to go for a launch every time. I use it as a major example here, but the comments are right, it's much safer much of the time to use a less risky option.
Now some people are mentioning that you should wait and react to a whiffed option. I think as you progress through your Tekken journey, I would agree. However for a new player, I think simply sidestepping and using an option as part of a sequence is a totally fine way to begin implementing this idea into your game plan.
Sorry for not making this more clear in the video!
You were clear enough for someone with good deductive reasoning skills. Many people just want to nitpick, complain, or simply be contrarian.
“It can’t be on a hope and a prayer, it has to be informed,” is a great way to put that. You’re really good at putting something that could be a complicated explanation into a really concise sentence.
I've played competitive Tekken since TTT1 and generally it goes like this:
- Most characters will have a "top 10 most used moves" (some players will try to get a bit more creative, so it's always good to potentially up the number and prepare for others), most moves will **generally** have a weaker side, figure out what side that is.
- As a **general rule of thumb** (there are exceptions, these will need to be labbed), opponents' moves that are left limbed, you sidestep to *YOUR* left (if you're on the left side of the screen/player 1, then you sidestep up, flip things around for right side/player 2).
- Try to get information from your opponent and make plays off their habits, do a jab, do they try to duck after? Do a mid after you jab then. Swap your jab out for another move and figure out their habits and how they try to approach a match. This will help your general gameplay but then also get you thinking about how to make informed decisions. Of course, sometimes you will be wrong but at the very least you're not going in completely blind.
i just practice what you said in some matches and i notice an few players like to jab after i do a df2 so i just sidestep and punish them. what other ways should i use sidestep?
@@weswes6312 I think learn certain moves or strings you know to be commonly used by players and learn how to SS those. For example against DVJ, figure out the situations to SS after his b,f+2,1 strings and how to SS his EWGF. Or for Bryan, maybe learn the sorta feel for SSing his b+1 or 3+4. You just want to learn how to SS against certain options that opponents have.
@@willus259 alright ima practice them today and see what i can do
"Attacks at range are very linear"
Lily's 3+4: "Are you sure about that?"
That also LOOKS very linear
Fuck I read that in Cena’s voice…
what does it mean by linear?
exceptions doesn't disprove rules
@@kozuta8858 means it goes in a straight line and you can avoid it
other moves have tracking so they will follow you
Whoever wrote the Transcript or subtitled the video did an amazing job.
It is at best inconvenient, and at worst incredibly counter-productive, to use captions to convey information when it's done word-per-word.
But when the whole next sentence is available, you can read it entirely then get back to what's happening in the rest of the screen.
Thank you. m( _ )m
0:44 you can actually make your sidestep safe by cancelling it with block. The most optimal way I've found from the pros & youtube is that you have to sidewalk then block as soon as the sidewalk animation starts. Load up a replay of Arslan, JDCR or Knee and you'd see the same thing in action. Easier said than done in a real match as a beginner but you can train this by making the CPU punish with a homing move on block. I think the move needs to be at least -3 on block, otherwise, do not even try to sidestep
Sometimes a short video can give more info than an hour long guide. Thank you so much for this.
Important to note that with some moves and strings you need to delay your punish from sidestep or the act of attacking will extend your hurtbox into the move you evaded.
I’ve noticed that with Azucena’s auto parry sometimes. Weirdly it’s only happened with Mishimas. Usually Reina
Dude. These problems/questions are so real and applicable
I'd like to add that shouldn't really sidestep automatically into an attack unless you really have a super hard read like shown in the video. If sidestepping is risky, sidestepping and attacking rght after is even worse. Doesn't mean it's a bad strat, but that shouldn't be your main use of sidestepping up close.
What you want to do ideally is to sidestep and then immediately block, see if your opponent whiffed a reasonably slow move, and then do your punish. And dont be greedy, it doesn't need to always be a launcher. Better to do a quick punish than risk failing a slower one and get punished yourself.
As a general tip, always find the safest way to apply a strategy. The longer you stay alive the more opportunities and info you'll get.
If a do sidestep then opponent attack wiffs if I do short sidestep and quickly block opponent gets blocked
@@08bit_Gamer yeah
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Unless you're anticipating a specific move or positioning it's almost always better to sidestep to your opponent's OUTSIDE. (Meaning the direction which will place your closer to their back) moves that track will often hit you to the opponent's inside, so be mindful of this.
Some characters can change their footing, also when you switch sides, the "outside" of your opponent reverses too. So if you were on the left, sidestep to the background to get to Kazuya's outside. If you're on the right, sidestep toward the screen.
Good videos, this is what is actually useful to new players. Simple intuition broken down into clear steps to get people thinking in the right direction.
Most youtubers are just faffing on about how complicated the game is and useless info dumps on differences from previous titles.
Thanks for this guide, I was really struggling with deciding when I could sidestep or not. This is helpful. :)
I Love how you explained Sidestepping. Short and sweet, straight to the point. Definitely got a subscribe from me brotha👏🏽
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I came to this conclusion as well. I was searching options of why I don't see better players jabbing so often. I understand that crouching beats jab, but it's still very risky to do this. I think sidestep is the answer.
Not only does crouching beat jab like you said, you have to understand any attack thrown out has the potential to get punished. Not all jabs are equal. That’s where the poking game comes in and you lose a round to an opponent that has their punishes on point. Now factor in throw breaking, good defense and then sidestepping? Now your up against a threat
Thank you for the video! By the time I saw it, I already learned the hard way :’) but I’m glad that this exists to make it easier for newer folks to understand!
Nice explanation in a short video. I like the choice your of words to keep it informed and precise 👍🏽
Hey great vid. You said that you came from mostly 2D fighting games and yes, you are correct about sidesteps being a solid option when on minus.
I just have a comment regarding your subtitles, I highly suggest writing notation inputs, like writing Leo ff2 or Feng cd1 instead of Leo forward forward 2, or Feng Crouch dash 1, as it can help newbies learn how to read them for Tekken 8. Keep up the great work loops!
Brooo this channel is a hidden gem for tekken 8 advice. You're gonna grow big this year I can sense it!
I was getting launched randomly by just happening to sidestep in neutral and getting unlucky. The fact that you shouldn't step upclose while in neutral but from further range it's more viable is something I didn't realise until now. Great info.
I appreciate how concise and helpful your vids are. I learned a lot from this. Thanks.
been playing tekken off and on since the 3rd title and gotta say, super informative video especially for some of my newer friends
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Although I agree that you can go on a predetermined sequence like sidestep into launch, it is possible to confirm what the opponent whiffed and then react accordingly. This is a very high level thing but if you find yourself at an advanced level, it's something you could work on to go up to the next level. It's kind of an oldschool playstyle but koreans like JDCR and Knee are gods at confirming a whiff into a punish from sidestep. Not necessary at low-intermediate levels though.
You got it! I probably would not give this advice in the same way to someone who's already in red/purple ranks.
if you confirm it has to be a jab, you won't have enough time to confirm and launch on quick pokes
@@booce6969 true but you take what you can get. Plus hitting someone with jabs gives you +8 and complete momentum to do whatever you want.
@@Gibbysaurio yes that is true, stability over reward, sometimes you don't even need the punish, just whiff pressure
Honestly a great informative video!
I rarely sidestep but I'll start including it because it's annoying to have duels whereby we're both just blocking a ton.
I've watched this video multiple times. Thank you!
I've been 2D FGC forever but I always wondered this. Thx!
Been thinking about this topic recently, and this brought up some good points for me to think about going forward.
This is a great lesson on reads as well. Wonder why there aren’t many dedicated videos to that subject as it’s something I would think all beginners should at least be aware of.
Wow that makes a lot of sense. I had no idea when a good time was up close to sidestep
yep this is what i learned! I do my 1-2 and then step it works like a charm
One part you'll hear about tekken-heads is that if you do " sidestep and launch as a complete sequence and not try to react", You can sometimes preemptively attack before your opponent's attack has finished yet, which can actually "expand your hitbox" and make you WAY more likely to be hit instead of evading their attack.
One thing to note is moves with a double or triple forward, quater forward or come out from a wavesdash can sometimes have some extra tracking because of doing the input can help realign against the opponent.
Damn sometimes I think you need a degree to understand this fucking game lol I love it
I'll add to this that it is also likely to happen if you have dedicated yourself to 2D fighters before switching to Tekken. This is because you get used to have less time to do things and have quicker reactions, so you do things not considering that everything, including active frames, take much longer so even if you read correctly predicting too much ahead is very dangerous
So that's why!... I'm a hope and prayer player LOL! thanks for this! I learned something new
Very well said. Im def old af especially in tekken years but this is what im learning
Very insightful. Gotta implement this in my game plan. Glad this was recommended.
Been playing 2D FGs for years and I have that genre down pat, but I started 3D with Tekken 7 and sidestepping has always been so foreign to me. And every video that talks about it became so convoluted to me. This was exactly what I needed to hear right now because I have been sidestepping in between strings just to get clipped in the end.
I like to think of it like as an extension of a string mentally that makes it easier to parse.
So say 2,3 leaves me -2f so in my head the string is 2,3,u(d),delay,b which makes it safer and blocks tracking moves that are 12f or greater if you see the whiff then punish. You can counter this by pressing forward before you attack to realign with opponents off axis.
As you get more and more fluid with movement in the game a common thing to add in your gameplan to try and open up an opponent or learn how they react is jab SS cancel, kbd, b then just see what they do. SS cancel, high crush or low crush are other possible options as well if your character has viable "safe" moves for these things.
Pressing back on sidestep cancels the SS instantly, easy shortcut would be u, delay, ub, b or d, delay, db, b. Using this you can micro step for realignment in combos or most usefully with sidestep cancel then duck into punish as the cancel makes ducking faster possible.
Yo this was mad helpful coming from a complete beginner
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Really great, helpful videos.
Really informative. Got washed a few days ago at a friend's place, will use this to kick his ass
This is a bit more advanced but sidestepping from really upclose increases the angle of the sidestep.
So yeah, walking forward and then immediately sidestepping as soon as you "touch" your opponent is a thing. It creates whiffs that regular sidesteps would not create.
At your own risk though. Lab it before trying.
3k hours in T7 and placed okay in locals.
This guide is fine for beggginers.
Sidestepping when you are -5 to plus is usually okay.
And you are right you can do that after a move like a df1.
Doing d/f 1 SS hopkick to beat a jab can work - just make sure you are consciously doing it as a read and don't autopilot this flowchart. Usually you want to look out for a wiff and wiff punish big moves on reaction.
When you get more experience with the game you should be sidestepping with a move in mind.
But this comes down to matchup knowledge and studying situations.
A good idea is to lab each characters main techniques and figure out which direction (if any) they are weak to.
Then during a match you may think something like -- huh my opponent only approaches me with moves that can be stepped -- or the opposite when playing vs Steve and Bryan 😅
Incredibly helpful thanks!
Thanks, I needed this information
Love your videos, continue to make more please
I never thought about it like this. I'll start to incorporate this because I always get pressed on when I press a button like df1
It might also be worth pointing out that there is usually a certain direction you want to sidestep in, depending on your opponent. Against Kazuya, for example, you generally want to sidestep left
Heya, I'm really digging your T8 videos and your overall approach to this guidance. Will you be making aT8P Playlist? Thanks for the chill channel
thats what i came up when really trying to maximize movement usage in my gameplay: treat sidestepping in netral like a counterhit attempt, because attaks realign when the button is pressed, so if you happen to start your sidewalk right after your opponent presses it will whiff unless its azucena wr32. Also i use sideteps to create timing mixup easy example: pauls df4 is -2ob everything pressed on instant timing will whiff on sidewalk, so your opponent options are: mash and get launched, use a homing move and get thrown/magic4d or just stand still and watch you walk so mix up is how long they gonna watch you? i kinda remember that i try to catch timing very effective played against my ghost doing that and its really, really hard to deal with. also baby sidestep block is super safe and can lead to huge reward i just randomly do this while beeing ready for whiff good shit
Easiest sub in a long time.
I watch TMMSWE cause he breaks the game down and really shows me how to play. I INSTANTLY subbed on how you explained things and really taught me things the last few videos. I took a big break from tekken after grinding 7 for so long. Came back to play 8 and was really rusty. Helping you teach me what I lost and new things so easily is amazing. Great videos and great youtuber thanks for the content!
Undervalued tech - for most male chracters sidestepping and instant crouch will evade and is necessary in most cases. Use it in replay (also doubles as a good os for lows). You do get blown up by some mids.
Actually what you wanna do is do something like df1 then side step and see if they whiffed something. If it's a move with fast recovery then simply perform a fast attack you don't need a launch every time or you can do something that's plus on block and gives you pressure or you can go for a mixup because they saw your side step and will try to block upcoming attack.
You can go for side step into launcher or any other button without confirming the whiff which leaves you susceptible to counter hits but it depends on character to character since kazuya has df2 a homing counter hit launcher.
Launch on attacks with large recovery like kazuyas f2, ff2, f4, ewhf etc.
You can also perform a sidewalk for better evasion.
Learn which side is weak for each character.
I'll try making a video for better explanation.
1:11 PS: You can in fact immidiately cancel sidestep into a block/crouch to keep yourself safe
Wanna sidestep in neutral!? You just need to intricately know the move-sets and game-plans of all 32 characters. You also need to know which specific direction to sidestep for many of those moves. Also a lot of times it’s not reacting, it’s guessing they are gonna throw out (this) move (because you need to know their character move-set and game-plan) basically just memorize the entire game and meta then you might be able to start implementing sidesteps. Start off with popular/high tier characters.
Getting to be a high level player on fighting games is like a job but they say you never work if you love what you do.
Fantastic video as usual
Sidestep block when upclose works too i guess helps with getting clip without knowing the actual timing of opponent's strings
Makes sense. Great vid!
Important tip: Double tap up or down to initiate a sidewalk to cover more distance than a side step and then block or launch.
Gotta double tap and hold the second up or down input for it to be a sidewalk. Or else it's just a sidestep if you double tap.
This is really good advice
I noticed i practice mode that side step hop kick was a pretty good way to steal a combo. Never got one off in a match though. Might be the goal today.
Do you have a “when to duck” video? I am learning on my own how to add ducking in in Shinryu. I know it essentially steals the turn since usually highs are typically the close range turn initiator.
Right now my go to is to duck then use my i10 ws or my i14 launch at a gap, or duck then interrupt with d4 then t sweep kick. Anyways it gets deep and I would love some help! Thanks
I noticed when playing Leo in Tekken 7 that he becomes extremely evasive when doing sidestep into hopkick. You barely need to travel half the sidestep for the opponent's attack to whiff and then get launched.
Some characters have really bad tracking on their key moves, and they recover super slowly, so you can whiff punish easily. In my experience Brian, Asuka and the bears are such characters. Just abuse the side stepping until you get them to start using slow homing moves and either counter hit them or block and use the frames to mix them.
Sidestepping as part of an attack string is doable, as well defensively against the strings I've learned. The real issue for me, as a beginner, is timing the steps against attacks coming from a distance... How do you do it, is it random? Reaction-based? Is there some specific method?
Keep up the vids 🔥
Just remind that most chars have ranged attacks who tracks and grabs also do track in this game, but running attacks usually do not track.
The idea that it IS a read tells me I've been doing it wrong this whole time. I'm red ranks but thought it was a sidestep into reaction. Good to know!
Loving the content Loops. I was curious do you stream on twitch at all?
I stream here on UA-cam!
This was helpful!
As fast as you can on round start, always
holy shit this unlocked my 3rd eye
Every step you take.
Every backstep you make.
You should side step it.
Poking into sidestep into nothing is also good too. You can whiff punish on reaction very effectively without committing to a launcher on a read. This also lets you gather data and condition the opponent.
To block lows isit down or down back
Thanks, man. This was actually really helpful. Is sidestepping an effective tool against very spammy, high-pressure characters like Steve and Hwoarang or do I just have to duck/block and punish them?
i dont know if anyone mentioned this but u can block and sidestep at the same time by sidestep then cancel by imputing back during the input. this only works for highs and mids tho plz ping this people need to know this tech btw my credibility is ganyu rank
I started sidestepping after getting blasted by someone that was abusing an attack that seemed too good to be true and I found out by accident it was terrible on whiff and sidestepping always made it miss(shame I only realized after losing two matches in a row lol)
8 is my first Tekken and i've been maining Steve and he seems to live or die on his sidesteps so i'd like to think i'm getting the hang of them.
Important note every character in tekken has a strong and weak side to side step. I havnt learned all of it for 8 but like that's a rule that's still mostly true in alot of 3d fighters and previous tekkens.
Generally speaking its "safe to side step" the the characters weak side at
-3frames to +3 Frames
What if opponent will do hoaming move or delay there punch.
You will get hit.
As a Lili player, you can sidestep pretty safely til -4 disadvantage. Anything higher than -4 would be risky.
Are you talking about her unique sidestep? Pretty much everyone I thought can sidestep at -4 to 0
@@baconbitz7804 I’ve noticed that most of the characters except Lili and Alisa get clipped on -4 disadvantage online.
How do you feel about it compared to T7? Her sidestep in T8 (I’m thinking everyone’s sidestep at this point…) got nerfed so hard.
I feel like it’s the exact opposite. I think most of the character side step is buffed a bit on T8. But Lili’s got even better now that her ↘️1 is only -1 on block and her SS 1+2 is 0 and got even more -2 attacks. Those really compliments her SS game.
tbh, if i want to look cool, i will try to side walk instead of side step, because not only this is safer in my opinion, but if you have good timing, its pretty safe, i always do it on hopes and prayers. i just read for any incoming tracking attacks.
if you have good timing, sidewalk is pretty much jin's parry but a little different.
im currently having trouble with diarrhea and learning combos from the side, and especially wall distance combo optimization on sidestepping.
edit: if you really want to troll your opponent and punch him in the ass, if you are jin, sidewalk into the foreground and then do U+2.
lmao its always so funny and opens up the opponent
Maybe later, but never now when you should.
Funny how only recently I learned that 1 = Left Punch and 2 = Right Punch. (Been playing since Tekken 3)
So with this new information, if you notice that the jab is coming from the 2. Then you want to side step to the left
It's a bit more complex than this, but worth keeping in mind. Small correction: Their 2 would be their right hand, which since they're facing you covers your left side. You would have to sidestep to your right to avoid a strike from their right.
is there a way to side step faster (input back then up/down) ?
You can buffer the input by doing it before df1 is over to make sure you step on the first available frame.
@@loops9508is it better to tap once or double tap to side step? im new
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quick question, how did you conclude that you have 9 frames to move around, was it beacuse the df1 was -1 on hit which meant that your best case was to ss ?
I know I have 9 frames because df1 is -1 on block, and the fastest thing my opponent can do is 10 frames. SS isn't necessarily the best case, it's just one of many options you can integrate here. I cover a few more in my "never lose to mashing" video.
@@loops9508 gotcha
Me who picked kuma because i couldn't bother learning to side step:
I feel like every time I sidestep with Jack I get hit anyways. Is he just too big for it?
very helpful, hadn't thought of it that way. this shit ain't soul calibur
Tracking in this game is crazy. I go for duck n then ws move
Nice!