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Star Citizen: Should you buy the Origin 400i?
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I've just realised that one of my goals in Star Citizen is to own every Origin ship.
Seeing the careful thought and design of the interior space makes me itch for a Connie gold standard rework of basically the entire front interior crew area of the Connie. The Connie was the first ship I got really excited about way back when it was announced, and I love the look of the Connie, but these new ships really show how much cig has learned about ship design
I have a whole three on spectrum about fixing the Connie. If they did a redesign of the Aquelia to put in an upper deck (like the Phoenix, but an exploration design rather than a luxury passenger design) it would be second only to the cattack
Are you serious? The 400i interior sucks, try flying it! Wasted space throughout, hardly fits any vehicles inside, basically worse than a Connie or MSR in most ways. It's beautiful outside, but of questionable value
@@Tom--Ace it is smaller afterall so no suprise that there is less pace available
@@Tom--Ace
Sucks for you maybe.
i really hope the phoenix gets slightly reworked, the back end of the ship is too "in your face" for me, its a poor mans sports car in other words. and i hope the 600i get a bit of a touch up. overall, i think Origin ships are sexy af, but the layouts arnt really functional, always weird places for things to go, corridors that show too much back end ect ect, its like walking behind a bar to get to another point of the dancefloor.
I got this because I wanted a ship that feels more home-like. I've just been enjoying taking it to random places and opening loot boxes then storing it on the ship. for those purposes its great, it has a nice interior for long QT times and a really good fuel economy when in atmo. IMO the constellation and cutlass heck even the msr all have interiors that I always just ran past because they were so practical, ship interiors is a big deal in this patch because of the inventory and I feel like I can RP the star fleet captain on a budget with this ship lol
Very nice tour! I would recommend the random to stay on his ship next time, he kept getting in the way of the tour.
Hey you have a small error at the start of the video. Pre-sale is not warbond only, you can buy it with credits. It's $250.
Also if you do use credits you only get 6 months insurance rather than LTI.
There is also Whale option that comes with the metalic black skin on, but the skin can be purchased apart tho, not sure if only Whales as well. ^^
I got the skin but i didn't pay with money, used store credits :p
@@duramirez You can only get the Meridian skin with the pre order options either warbond or store credit (store credit pre order doesn't come with lti) but if you ccu off of a lti token you won't get the skin unfortunately and there is no option to buy it separately which really sucks.
lol you beat me to it
@@Treecko8O he’s not talking about the Meridian skin
Personally I see this ship becoming an excellent drug smuggling vessel. It's fast, meant for running away with the back facing turrets. The smaller cargo bay is actually useful for moving drugs because you can't buy huge bulk anyway. Maybe I'm just looking through rose tented glasses but this ship seems almost too perfect for the aspiring smuggler like myself.
I see it more as a competitor to the Dur
It’s a nice toy hauler, for a fun weekend with a bike and a cyclone
Good for priority cargo
Fun for role playing
It is a step up from the dur, but down from the Connie... At least based on featureset
@@jerrylove865
I completely agree
I agree with you, but as it's an explorer we are only going to be able to judge this one ince the relevant loop is in the game. Until then the real value of this ship (and other explorers) is hanging in the void.
@@janskvara2762
Very true
The MSR's better at all of these things.
Thanks for posting this. It just looks cool. That's enough reason to purchase it. Yes there's sooo many other "reasons" why it's not as good as other ships, it's star citizen. All that other stuff isn't even real yet. We all bite the bait to take our money. Just enjoy it!!
To me, it seems the application is exactly what they showed in the demo... get in covertly... snag some loot, get out covertly. This ship is perfect for a 3 man crew with such missions.
I just bought this ship. It’s the first real ship purchase I made since starting in may 2021. I kinda wanted a ship that was a bit more of an Aurora in my hanger. A good starting ship for when we get further wipes. A good ship that will let me make money but yet allows me to grow by getting better ships later. A good ship that is an all rounder and yet still let’s me play solo as well as multiplayer. A good ship that lets me taxi people in style and appeals to my aesthetics. The 400i covers all this. I knew it would and I really wanted it when I saw the first leaks around the start of the year.
Sounds like a great choice.
I missed my chance to buy it ;-;
@@obscuredlove4043 its back on the store now :)
@@NamHoang-yd1qg Unforunately I already spent 600 dollars on the game so I passed it LOL
Like it a lot, I upgraded to it. Wish it came with the X1 though...
That would have been a nice value add for sure.
X1 will cost like 10k in-game. It's nothing important.
Apparently you're not concierge.
@@blackworldtraveler3711 I can hear the monocle and top hat. 😆
@@blackworldtraveler3711 why’s that? Is there a concierge version with a x1 included?
To me this feels like what the MSR *should* have been. It's size is appropriate for a crew of 1-3, it's not over-engineered (*cough* smuggletunnels *cough*), and having the bike bay not take up cargo space is good, and it fits nicely into that "can outrun what it can't outgun" design space where the lack of firepower compared to the Connie isn't a dealbreaker. It just FEELS more "Millennium Falcon" than either the Constellation or the MSR, and I could see it being a good bounty hunting vessel.
Never understood how they would miss having a second entry point in the MSR.
Even the Milliennium Falcon had more than one.
That's the only reason I don't fly it much.
You are aware that the Millennium Falcon isn't a bounty hunting vessel, it's a small freighter (smuggler) complete with secret storage compartments under the floorboards (the high points matching the MSR to the letter.) I would agree that the 400 looks more like a bounty hunting vessel, but not as much like a Falcon.
Yeah, the MSR went too big. It was perfect in concept. They removed the big thruster because a Ursa barely couldn’t fit. Why does it need to transport a Ursa? I would’ve preferred the thruster.
@@Epsyk ^this, though I am quiet happy without that main engine, instead the auxiliary engines in the wings should be more pronounced.
You mean the MSR should've been worse in almost every way?
I mean...no..?
It looks a lot like Darth Maul's ship, and it's well-stuffed with cool little niches and amenities. Good design - I wish they had packed the 600iE like this. And I'm so glad they brought back the old Freelancer stairs. I loved those weird things. They killed me a lot less than the ladder has. And yeah: having poked around in it, this is more a DUR competitor than a Connie competitor. Or somewhere between a DUR and Connie.
I was worried that I was the only one who saw Darth Maul's ship in this. I imagine walking down those stairs in the black paint.
@@e.walker and then hopping on his hoverbike, yeah
Already bought, also the liberator too
I hope CIG would rework the 600 before they gold standard it.
Yes I hope they rework the 600 as well
Med bed in it is a must from my opinion
What we know 90% for sure is that the reworked 600i will sport some kind of snub ship. It think a medbay could be an option but let's not forget medical beds have changed a lot with 3.15
@@Cvakro Since 600 is modular I would actually recommend a medical module for it more than a med bed for the explorer or touring models, the explorer is great for that (maybe make the fuel tanks bigger for that one) and the touring is great for what it's intended to do, the platform does need a bit of TLC though
I look at the 400i as the ultimate solo ship, with plenty of storage, just blade the rear turrets for point defence and put fixed S4s on the nose, it has 32 missiles in the wings. Use it for smuggling, NPC bounty hunting and hopefully ROC mining, once CIG fixes the rear landing struts to make them longer so a ROC will fit. It will work great for mining, since it has a exploration scanner and mapping table. I like that it has long range because you will need it when Pyro is in the verse.
Exactly my thoughts and some of the many reasons i am gonna get it 😊
Most of the non missile firepower is not accessable to the pilot.
I suspect scanning will be a second station.
If it can fit a ROC I'd buy it right now.
@@inferno1217 a greycat should fit in i think
But as its cargo room is similar to a cutty i presume it will fit
But maybe someone makes a "what can you fit" video again 😁
400i vs connie
less guns
less space/cargo
more expensive
Very nice review. Despite what CIG says, I feel the 400i is closer to a Freelancer than a Conny. (firepower, storage) Except for the S3 shield of course.
Still I think it is a very nice ship for touring the verse. I only wished the windows were a bigger and not so obstructed (struts / turret) Usually Origin ships have great visibility,
Despite being smaller, I honestly like this over the 600i
I love the feel of the ship. But I agree with most of what you say. I personally plan on using it as a solo ship which I can invite friends on. From that view, its better than a Connie especially the bike bay. Fighting power wise, I still think S5 hard points for the pilot would be better but it is not required. I would also argue a second M size computer could go a long way on an exploration ship, and it can be placed in its analogous position in the shield climate control area. Would go a long way I think. Anyways, thanks for the video!
Also remote turrets will be computer blade controllable in the future. Any ship with computer blades and a remote turret can set that turret to point defense assuming they use fast firing guns on that turret. So eventually this ship will be an amazing Solo ship.
Traded in my msr for it!. I usually fly solo and was using my msr as a daily flyer, never traded in it or for combat. I feel the 400 is better for a solo daily flyer. More pilot firepower, and I think the msr has more space then needed for a solo ship. Plus I think the 400 is sexy!
Anything beats those hallways lol
I agree 110% with you!
The 400 also has two exit points.
NOoooo
@@samuelgulizia7711 Walking to the cockpit in a MSR always feels like the intro to an episode of 'Get Smart'.
It needs size 5 weapons for the pilot, I know it not a combat. But come on all the competition have s4 gimbal and s5 fix. This should have the same or a little bigger like maybe some proprietary gimbal system that use s5 on it or s5 gimbal and s6 fix.
Or a variant that’s combat oriented
Yeah, it need two S5 weapons. A connie or a Corsair has much more firepower. Connie also has better turrets, rockets and cargo.
The nice speed is not enough.
@@theemeraldenderman3007 that is a good option.
Nah it needs size 8 for the pilot and size 7 for the turrets, and maybe some torps to, but fast ones, some kind of special stealth torp that cant be detected and goes fast like a missile...
@@StoneCoolds why would you underpower it like that?
I switched from a Constellation Aquila to this, but I did so for a few particular reasons. First and foremost, its speed, resilience, and very good rear-facing weaponry are a great combination for my style of play, which is focused on avoiding or escaping combat than engaging. With that in mind, I also do have a relatively large and diverse fleet, and I can thus sacrifice some of the versatility that I enjoyed in the Aquila, because I have, or will have, better available options if I choose to do something either more mercantile or combat-focused. For someone who can afford to lose that bit of utility because of a broader selection in the fleet, this is a good way to shave $60 or so off of your fleet's price to save for what's next, without really losing any capability. It's less appealing, I think, for someone with fewer ships to choose from.
well said.
This is my solo and don't want to deal with conflict exploration ship.
I don't have time to plan expeditions every time I play.
I'll bring some crew on a 600 or Carrack for other days
Fair points all around. It will really boil down to what exploration does.. The 400i will have the edge once escape pods get implemented, now that death of a spaceman is going in (the Connies don't have those), but some minor changes could have really made the 400i an actual contender against the Constellation-series. Upsize the forward guns by one, make the cargo area slightly larger (or let the cargo stack higher), and bump the 2 size 1 missile racks to a size 2. Oh, and the capacitors probably need some love (seriously, the pilot capacitors are really weak). Or, none of those and give it the AIR system!
Of course, I strongly doubt those won't happen, but maybe it just boils down to them misspeaking. It's an excellent Cutlass/Freelancer competitor, and comparing it to the Connie is probably just a bad comparison outright.
Connies have 4 escape pods. They are the bunk beds.
@@USIGNLOOFID Whaaat? I didn't know that! Thought they were just bunks this whole time.
conny had escape pods since it was first put in the hangar. the beds seal up and shot out from top and bottom.
The missile tubes are bespoke and fixed in place. You can't put larger missile tubes on it without physically increasing the size of the tubes, which would mean relocating them on the model. Unlike most ships that have missile racks, the 400i has 4 tubes. 2 for size 2 missiles, 2 for size 1 missiles. This also means that it can only fire 2 missiles at a time.
I think the thing people are forgetting is it's designated rather uniquely as an 'exploration/pathfinder' vessel.
Outside of the Terrapin, there are no multi-crew capable 'pathfinder' vessels, which does give this a unique, albeit *very* niche use, assuming all the previous talk CIG has done about expedition versus pathfinder vessels holds true.
Although it's listed as an Expedition ship the Freelancer DUR feels, to me, like it fits in the same multicrew pathfinder niche as the 400i. Both feel to me like great long-range, stay-on-the-move, keep-away-from-hostiles reconnaissance vessels.
The Terrapin has only one bed. The Constellation Aquila is a multi-crew exploration ship. A Carrack will do that job too but is maybe too large.
The Reliant Sen is... useless but it's a two bed ship that CIG would put it in the exploration category too.
@@thomasjoyce7910 Terrapin only needs 1 bed - it's a military ship so the crew will be splitting shifts. 1 in bed, 1 on lookout.
I like the ship and think you are spot on with it being in between the cutlass and Andromeda. Frankly, it's a perfectly sized ship for comfortable, big, and soloable. That said I think you're way off by saying it's reasonably priced, it's warbond price is more than the corsair! You are definitely paying a luxury tax, it should be priced ~$150-175 imo
I think the luxury tax is stupid for ships... Some people like the gritty Drake aesthetic, some like utilitarian RSI and some like the sleek Origin... At the end of the day, they're just ships to fulfill the same role only with different design styles.
its not warbond only tho, can get both the standalone ship and a ccu with store credit too for $250
Origin in general gives me more Star Wars expanded universe vibes than it does Star Trek vibes. The 890, 600, and 400 all remind me of ships like the Jade Sabre and Lady Luck.
This reminds me of padmes ship from episode 2 that she brings to tattoine. Loved that ship and have wanted something like it.
I think CIG shouldn't have compared the 400i to the Connie, MSR or the Corsair as it just doesn't seem to be designed to compete. It's a big Cutlass Black with a luxurious interior and is only worth the money if you want it as a recreational or light exploration/sightseeing kind of vehicle. Don't buy it if you expect a solid allrounder as any other allrounder in that price-class will do it much better.
I treat mine as a Luxury Space Camper to take 2 friends and my bike on a roadtrip with and I love it for that.
Thats basically Origin in a nutshell "the perfect ship to explore your own backyard" lol
If this ship is supposed to compete with the Cutlass Black then there better be a bunch of buffs coming toward the Cutty. The Cutlass is an oversized whale of a ship with pitiful soft stats, horrible interior design, and bad scaling issues. The S3 shields takes it out of the running for comparison alone. Seriously if people think the Cutty and this ship compete on any level they need to take a real hard look at the cutty and how shit it is.
@@Alphascrub_77 You're taking what I said too literal. I did not say it competes with the Cutlass I just used it as a reference because the 400i isn't nearly as capable as a Connie but comes closer to the Cutty. Doesn't make them competitors given they're ships designed for completely different things
The Drake Bucc doesnt scream Star Wars to you? It is an X-wing without the seperating wings and with bigger engines.
I thought that too, though more z95 headhunter than x-wing with the Bucc
@@DaxtonOliverAshlocke agreed. Which you can describe the Headhunter as an Xwing without seperating wings and bigger engines
@@JamestheKilljoy that’s true since the z95 was the predecessor to the X-wing if I remember correctly
In theory it is more solo-able, as if you get attacked you just full burn off in one direction, jump out of pilot seat and into gunner (not counting potential blades as they aren't in yet), and then unload on pursuer while the ships gains enough acceleration to outrun the threat, them jump back in pilot seat and quantum. Also, while it is not a stealth ship by any means, I feel like the the EM numbers will get tweaked so that it's pretty low for it's size, which means its more likely to slip in and out than a Connie.
It may be nearly as large as a Connie, but the percentage of the hull available for habitation is quite a bit smaller.
Everyone misses what this ship is. Great range, scanners and fast ground vehicle. It fits perfectly between the durr and Aquila.
That's a great way to view it. Ive got a CCU to it even though I alwarad have an msr as they'd fit different roles for me and my mates.
It's funny you mentioned Star Wars! I am obsessed with the aesthetic of the ships from Naboo, and this manufacturer is the closest I'll probably ever get to that sleek, metallic style.
I like it in that it's the first Origin ship that doesn't go overboard with the luxury bit. Rather, it's a smartly laid-out / efficient design that has a bright, clean and professional look to it that offers a reasonable contrast to the many militaristic or utilitarian designs we see so much. It's just a sharp and reasonable exploration/general purpose all-rounder. I am surprised they didn't use the AIR Flow technology that was promoted with the 100 series. It supposedly makes Origin ships very fuel efficient. I wonder if this ship is a gas guzzler? Fuel efficiency is a big +, especially for an explorer.
I think there's an important thing to remember.
Despite what CIG said, this is NOT a 'Connie competitor'.
Just like the 600i wasn't even though CIG said that was when selling it too.
Its size and interior is closer to a Cutlass and Freelancer, if you ignore the skinny nose, it's basically freelancer dimensions.
Don't think of it as an inferior Connie competitor.
Think of it as a luxury Freelancer competitor.
If anything, a Connie competitor should be a 500i.
i want a 500i....and i want a 200i the 200i is a two seater 100i and it will sell like hot cakes
I've always ignore those competitor statements and use the ship as is the way I want.
How much room is there between a 60 metre ship and a 90 metre ship for a Connie 500i competitor?
This should have been a better ship.
Perhaps if they'd made it even 70 metres instead of 60, they could have fit everything they needed to like component access without putting two stupid wasteful rooms in the middle of the ship, a bigger cargo bay with space for a roc and ursa, an X1 bay that can double as additional storage or for holding a nox or dragonfly, and more spacious feeling upstairs interior and corridors.
As is, the ship feels awkward at 60 metre length, like it doesn't quite know if it should be bigger with more inside, or smaller with less inside and competing with a freelancer instead of a Connie.
It's a weird ship
@@Tom--Ace no, they have deliberately left space for a 500 sometime.
The 400 seems like it would smell like a brand new refrigerator.
I have never tried to figure out how my ships would smell…. Looks at reclaimer in disgust
@@nathanlowery1141 I'd give the new Xi'an freighter the nod for having some seriously nasty funk to it. The turtles go for rotting/fermenting food after all.
@@robertschumacher2707 now we understand the shower mechanics haha
Looks like that X1 storage could fit a cryo pod or an unconscious bounty with no risk to the pilot or crew.
Connie can defend itself even without a crew. The 400i looks like it will be pretty much defenceless. The 2 size 4 hardpoints and the small compliment of missiles can’t really do much if it can’t keep the nose on target. The things it can keep a nose on target are too powerful for those weapons to be too much threat.
It's not defenseless with a good pilot.
Some people need more weapons than others.
@@blackworldtraveler3711 true. I’ll have to try for myself and see once 3.15 is out.
Too late with the buyer's guide, I upgraded my Defender last night! 😆
My only wish for this ship is that it would be capable of carrying a ROC
Some day Origin will release a slimline, aesthetically pleasing mining vehicle that fits in it.
; )
From what I've read the flight characteristics are not final. The 400i is supposed be a little faster or more maneuverable than it is currently in the PTU, so that part of the comparison to the Constellation series may not be correct.
Even more maneuverable ? Oh damn.
They are never final especially after released.
Everyone should know this by now.
Id add more agility and make greater scm and top speed both like 250 / 1400.
@@SOVERElGN this is ridiculously overpowered for a ship of its profile.
@@ravenknight4876 it is an Origin ship though, there needs to be something to make it stand out
I met two guys once, both were wealthy, both had boats. One was a sail guy, one was a power guy. Sail guy asks power guy “how much did it cost you to go from (a) to (b)?” Power guy says “11 hours.” He was a wedding photographer who showed up to a gig in a Ferrari. When you fly origin, you don’t care about the cost, you care about how you look when you get there. A more practical man has a ship that is more self sufficient and can more reliably travel greater distances in tougher seas.
I got one because I think it has a unique look and I really like the stairs, not much of a Origin fan tho...
"This is the first ship that really screams Star Wars"
MSR: am I a joke to you?
Which is funny because the MSR is better at everything the 400i is touted as being good at.
@@wun1gee Yeah I really wanted to buy one basically just to get the meridian paint but since it's no longer tied to buying the ship I'll just buy an MSR.
@@inferno1217 Yeah I just bought it because I had a 20% off coupon burning a hole in my pocket. I'll just melt it when something I'm more interested in comes out. I've flown it for a couple of days and it definitely isn't going to replace my MSR as my daily driver and I don't need 2 daily drivers. The 400i doesn't do anything for me that the MSR can't do better.
@@wun1gee Only thing I wish the MSR had would be windows in some of the relaxation areas. That's the best thing about the Carrack and the origin ships.
@@inferno1217 Agree. At the very least it should have some form of screen on the wall of the recreation room, like the C2, that can display the outside environment.
Now having had the 400i for a year, I think I can safely say that while the 400i is a very nice ship to fly, it doesn't actually bring a lot of functionality compared to its competitors. Especially not given the 400i's high price. It holds less cargo, can't carry most vehicles and is only lightly armed compared to its competition.
You should buy the 400i if you already have another ship to carry cargo and vehicles, have money to spare and want to spend it on a beautiful ship that feels nice to fly.
But don't buy the 400i if you need a ship to make you money. Don't buy it if you are looking for utility or functionality, because the 400i is more expensive (in in-game price) and offers less in that regard than other ships. You are much better off with a Cutlass Black, a Constellation or a Mercury Star Runner, all of which are signifcantly cheaper yet do the same things better than the 400i does. Those are the ships you buy when you need to make money. The 400i is the ship you buy when you already have money.
Has strong hints of Lando's Lady Luck, so yeah definately starwars feel.
Already did. 🤣
Melted my MSR to pay for it and so far I'm in love.
Doesn't MSR handle better while having more utility?
You choose poorly
@@strongback6550 Probably. I can always buy it back, anyways. To be honest, being mostly a solo player the shorter walks to the cabin and the lightning fast opening doors are much appreciated.
@@-NateTheGreat Thanks? :) The MSR is better on paper, but she's not much of a fighter, and being she a fine ship there are things that to me aren't useful at all but trinkets, like the smugglers compartment, or the secret passages from here to there that (at least to me) feel detached from the ship, or that chess board. Also, We don't know when the MSR's gameplay will be coming, so for now (and don't take me wrong) to me she's more an oversized Taurus than a herself.
@@chirvo I know the walk is long, but cig did say they will at a elevator need the bridge. Also gameplay is the same as this ship and even better. But to each there own. P.S. I like the exterior.
Got this '415P' as soon a it went on sale Saturday
Connie does things like 2.5 times better than the 400i weapons wise, not just a little. This is before taking in the consideration of the tiny weapon capacitors 400i has.
Don't forget the bad turret placement on the 400i. In a connie you can use both turrets to attack a enemy in front of you.
@@vonrosphe3098 I hear you. I understand it's not a combat ship and all, but it's not even close to its competition and doesn't line up with the rest of the origin class of ships. Needs a small buff imo.
The capacitors are a bad joke. Hope they fix it asap.
The capacitors are bugged. The turrets have the right amount but the pilot guns do not
Seems to me for a Origin ship, there should be a option to lower the bike too from where you lower the stairs (and then preferably automatically close them when you drive off) instead of lowering the stairs, go to the front of the ship, lower the bike, go back to the base of the stairs to jump on (then drive off the platform, jump off and close everything and jump back on....).
I hope in the future if the ship is powered on can just mobiglas/personal-menu-interface to open/close/lock our ship when were close to them similar to modern car keys, preferably also a power up/down engines for quick take-off as one makes their way though the ship.
Otherwise i like the ship.... minus origins remote turrets, i really hope those types of remote turrets will fold away when not in use in the future, they're really ugly and breaks the origin aesthetic when you got instruments of war as centerpieces outside many big windows on your fancy-crafts.
there's two buttons where you lower the stairs. one for the stairs, one for the bike.
Always enjoy your buying videos, thanks for doing these.
What does impress me with the 400i and is a buying reason for me is the interior! I really liek itand its a nice flying apartment, which will be my home, when its ingame with 3.15. can't wait to fly it!
One advantage it has over the Corsair/Connie is it will be much more of a task to switch back and forth between ground vehicle's and cargo on shared grids in the future. You vehicle may be systems away or you may not have a place to store it when you need the cargo space.
I just missed this ship on sale. I should have picked it up. I really think it looks so much better than the other Origin ships.
At first I was skeptical about external design, interiors and usefulness, but now Im a dedicated fan of this ship. One of the best realisation of interior structure, sleek "yacht" design. This ship is not huge, but it has 3 (!) entry points - cargo, front ramp and via dock (also there is a separated lift for bike), very fast ship (for its size) - just a little bit slower than racing ships.
The only thing that will make me swap it is good rework of 600i
I had upgraded my SRV (LTI) to this with a payout of $70.0 usd, but I was disappointed a 85X wouldn't fit and contemplated returning it (if possible)?
Now seeing the Cyclone fit inside (I have a TR) and with a impulsive purchase of skins I'd made, I'm thinking now it may, with the right weapons, adjustments and upgrades (inc. cards for the turrets) make a sleek long duration patrol ship?
I don't get the comparison with the andromeda, one is a gunship, the other an exploration vessel. The 400i is almost half the price of the aquila, so it's normal to expect a bit less functionality, but at the same time it has less crew requirements so that balances out. The firepower is pretty comparable too, the fact that the guns are more shifted towards the turrets rather than the pilot is actually a plus, provided that you have a crew to man the turrets, but neither the Aquila of the 400i are intenede to fight, and from a defensive perspective I prefer the weapons in the 400i, they cover more sides and the turrets, which have a lot more firepower now with the capacitor's gameplay, are not peashooters...and it has 2 instead of just one. It also has more quantum fuel and redundant components than the connie, so there's that.
Of course if you want to judge an exploration ship by its ability to do combat comparing is with a combat focused gunship, that's not gonna fly.....duh? that would be just like judging the andromeda based on its capability of doing exploration.
The only thing I don't like about the 400i are the windows. A good portion of two windows let you look out onto the wonderful view of... an exterior wall. The window in the main living space is... underwhelming, to say the least. I also would have expected a skylight on the bridge or at least the living area. If there's one thing I've come to expect from Origin ships, it's expansive, largely unobstructed view from those spaces. The 100i has a great view from the cockpit. The 300i has a great view from the cockpit and a skylight. 600i just has great views. The 890 Jump has great views from all communal passenger areas, and a good view from the bridge.
I came very close to upgrading my Taurus for this ship but after looking at what fits in the 400i I just couldn't move foward. The connie is looking very old now compared to newer ships like this one and it has a lot of flaws yes but as for the Taurus especially, I don't think anything beats it at this price range. I paid it 150$ back in 2017 I think and I still don't regret it.
I had the Andromeda as a loaner ship for a while and now, even the Taurus can be very surprising in combat. The huge advantage I have from it it's the cargo where I can fit my Ursa Rover along with 2 ROCS and I can still walk around them and have a small unscanable cargo area in the back of the ship.
I really hope CIG revisits the Connies to fix the few flaws it has like the floating gears if an engine is blown away or all the lost space between the turrets and the living area which could be upgraded. As for the rest I don't this it needs to be changed but these minor changes would be more than welcome.
Anyway, thanks for the 400i review which backs my decision to stay in the RSI team ;)
Cheers !!
Excellent update. Better than most who did similar reviews. Good job.
It would have been nice if the bike bay could have been used as additional cargo storage, if you didn't want to take a bike.
It's not a cargo ship.
@@blackworldtraveler3711 Check the stats, the ship can carry 42 SCU of cargo, so it can be used for light cargo hauling. To put this into perspective the Hull A carries 48 SCU of cargo. If they allowed the bike bay to also be used for transporting cargo, it would probably be on par with a Hull A, a dedicated cargo ship.
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Don't need to check the stats.
Already know it's not a cargo ship. No grid in bike bay.
I would think that many ships that aren't cargo ships can haul cargo.
@@blackworldtraveler3711 Call it what you like, but stats speak for themselves.
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You're the one saying "it would have been nice" not me.
I’m torn… I have this but if the Phoenix goes up on sale again, I have a feeling I might end up trading in. The snub AND rover without having to parallel park like a pro is definitely a plus
The bike lift on the 400i should rotate offset 45 degrees to the right toward the bottom of its downward travel. To help with loading the bike and get it away from the stairs and centerline of the ship.
Hey, first of all, great Video and great conclusion. I agree with most of what you said but as someone who owns a 400i and an MSR, I want to add my opinion to this about the ship and the price it comes with.
First of all, the 400i seems like an good allrounder for the time we wait for exloration/pathfinding comes in the game. I personally really like the 890J stylish look of it, but looks are subjective, so I wont count that one in. The 400i costs 220 as a Warbond and 250 as a standalone ship, and that is a hefty pricetag. Right now, the ship has nothing to offer other ships couldnt do as well.
The Cargo capacity for example is a little lower than the Cutty Black, but the Cutty comes with half the price in real money and only 1.3 mil ingame. I assume the 400i will be priced around 4-6 mil ingame. But since this is all speculation I will stick to the real money prices. So basically the Cutty Black does the same as the 400i for half the price. Sure, it doesnt look as fancy and it isnt as modern and up to date as the 400i, but some ppl might prefer the rusty, trashy look of DRAKE ships, and as I said, looks are subjective.
The downside of the 400i is, that the cargo bay in the back is way to small for most vehicles. The cyclone barely fits, and only the variants without a turret on top do so. The ROC doesnt fit, wich makes it way less versatile than the Cutty Black or MSR. However, CIG stated that the G12 Rover will fit inside the 400i, but that comes with a little Problem. The Cargo ramp is too small again. The website states the G12 to be 5.8 Meters wide, the Cyclone is 4 meters wide and barely fits.
That makes me hope, that CIG will eventually enlargen the Cargo bay. Or they may make the G12 way smaller than it is said to be. But honestly, its not hard to make the cargo bay larger. I have an Idea myself wich I wont elaborate here (hoever if someone is interested in hearing my idea I'll edit this comment later).
So my first conclusion is, the cutty can do all the 400i can but for half the money. The biggest difference are the components, and in this case, the 400i takes the cake far ahead. But since non of these ships are dedicated fighters, shields are not that important. But the components are also included in the price and well, something needs to justify the costly tag of the 400i, doesnt it?
So what about ships within its pricerange? Well, as I said before I am a long served MSR pilot and I use that thing for almost everything. The MSR comes at 260 bucks, wich is only 10 more than the 400i (speaking in both cases of non-warbond editions). But for that 10 bucks you'll get al lot more. A lot more of everything, actually. The MSR has around 2.5 times the cargo capacity of the 400i(114 SCU for the MSR), and the cargo bay is a very open space with no obstructions.
You can fit 2 ROCs comfortably in it, and, if you're up for some Tetris, you can jam up to 4 ROCs inside it. You can fit every ground vehicle except the Tonk inside it. So the points for Cargo space and versaitility of the Cargo Space go to the MSR.
The MSR has 2 size 3 weapons for the pilot and 2 Turrets with 2 size 3's each. However, the pilot-controlled weapons cannot be switched for size 4s, so youre stuck with size 3s. The MSR also has 2 size 2 shields, so the 400i takes the cake in terms of Shield capacitiy and firepower for the pilot. However the MSR has a massive Hull HP pool of 37.500 wich is a little less than half of the Carrack, wich in turn is massive for a ship of its size.
(yes, I know that, according to the Internet, the Conny Andromeda has over 180.000 HPs, but all of the HPs of an ship are split across its Detachable components. So ships like the Conny, with many detachable Components need to have an higher overall HP pool in order to withstand some damage. Dont simply compare HP pools from one ship with another). IDK how much HP the 400i has, but I doubt its nearly the same as the MSR. So what the MSR lacks in shield capacity, it makes up for in Hull HP. And since the MSR is a blockade runner (heavily armored, fast frighters) its prob. going to be a lot more when physicalized armor comes in.
As stated correctly in this video the Connys are also more or less within the 400is pricerange, and they also do have a size 3 shield with way stronger weapons, so unfortunately, the 400i cannot really keep up with the connies, and shares the same place withe the MSR in this little comparison.
So what do I recommend? If you want to buy a good allrounder, but you wanna safe some money, go with a Cuttlas Black. Both, the cutty and 400i, are good allrounders, and I can hardly imagine a situation where the 400i has to handle something the cutty could not. If you have around 250 bucks to spend, I either recommend taking a closer look the one of the Connies, or add 10 bucks and get an MSR (wich also will be able to collect and store data, once that feature is in).
I want to clearify that Im not hating the 400i, Im a huge Origin Simp and I f*cking love the 400i, so I happily yeeted my Ares ourt of my hangar for the new discount 890J. But, looking at that whole thing objectively, the 400i is just a more expensive and extravagant Cutty as in the games current state. This, however, might change once Pathfinding come to the game.
I think everyone is looking at this ship the wrong way. I have a Corsair, which I feel will fill out the fighting/exploring role very well and be perfect for 2-3 friends; but I bought the 400i because it is the perfect solo space RV for general runabouts and occasionally taking passengers, and it kind of bridges the gap between something like the Redeemer and the Corsair.
I have the 400i and a Taurus that I bought (but not activated) the CCU package to upgrade to a Corsair and I'm debating your same considerations. It is cozy ship that feels smaller then it actually is and IMO it better compares with a long range freelancer. In my fleet it will probably replace the 315p being better at everything, but it won't replace the Taurus because it cant.
At this point the 315p is in a very weird place, compressed between the much smaller and agile 135c and this much more usable 400i which has 3 times the range an 3 and a half times the cargo,plus the bike.
Is the 400i worth the price?
It depends on what actual utility it will have in the future as an exploration ship (it has the starmap console) or how lucrative pathfinding will be when the gameplay will be added.
It probably will be much less capable then a Carrack or a 600i at exploring far and distant, but, unless the 400i pathfinding/exploration is fledged enough and equally capable as the Aquila, it will become a glorified 315p for 3 times the price.
This is exactly my opinion on it as well. It is a much better design for an Origin ship, but does not even compare utility wise to the MSR or Constellation series, particularly the Taurus. It is literally 3X a 315p, that was an apt comparison, meaning this will be the ideal drug smuggling ship for people who loved the 315p, and don't want to risk flying a MSR for whatever reason.
It seems lacking compared to other ships in its class, but provides enough of the elements necessary to complete it's intended purpose. That said, I did CCU a G12 token into the 400i because I haven't kept an Origin ship in my lineup for a while despite loving their style. So I see this ship as an "ever day flier" that provides utility with a touch of class and is easy on the eyes. My biggest complaint is that there is no excuse to not put the top turret over the star map instead of right outside the rear window, restricting its field of fire while partially blocking the view. But in the end it's a classy version of the Cutlass Black.
Oh yeah, that Patreon thing :D I did it. ~ Tempur in the Verse (and in PLANET EXPRESS CREW)
Great analysis. I do think that the 400i strikes a very precise balance that will pay off when we are more fleshed out gameplay for exploration. To me the lower crew requirements and design can turn out very valuable to maintain efficiency. Definitely not designed for aggression though.
The new ship is basically the 'gentleman's cutlass.' They are very similar and it's a lot closer comparison than a connie.
Something about how you mentioned the holo star chart made me want it to be capable of letting us play Dejarik, and now I can't unsee that.
Wish you could access the X1 in the ship, a small corridor would be enough!
At least you can give strangers a ride in your ship in the X1 bay and not have to worry about them hijacking the ship. :D
Basically its 315p with a shower and ground vehicle on board option and with no tractor beam. Bigger size also allows extended performance in many aspects but key differences are only these three. Lol.
The view, the cargo, turret placements, SCM speed and Full Speed are major issues. MSR is better at all of these.
It’s getting a major handling buff next patch according to devs
I'm sure the Nomad had the same issue when it was in the PTU and stuff was addressed before going live in the PU.
Don't forget the pilot controlled firepower if you compare it with a Connie or a Corsair.
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Indeed. It's the same type of posts with ever new released ship it seems.
Never understood this.
People will never understand that this is a developing game in alpha.
One thing I can say about this 400 though is there are two exit/entry points instead of one like the MSR. That big solo entry ramp is the reason I don't fly it.
Great video! You answer most of the questions I had about the 400i.
400i is very fast top-end which is nice, nearly MSR-like. It needs S5 hardpoints with gimballed S4's though, or significantly better maneuverability given the lack of cargo and firepower.
There are not win buttons on ships.
Just skill.
That Aurora pilot from years ago proved that.
@@blackworldtraveler3711 Your comment makes no sense.
I really like the ship. It's compact, and there's not really any wasted space (except maybe the climate controlled areas?). It feels like a reasonable all rounder that someone could comfortably use alone or with friends.
Problem about making a video like this before launch is that CIG have released this ship unfinished that is being worked out.
So stuff like the capacitors, speeds, and fuel intakes are still being worked out.
I'm mixed on this ship. I like the looks and layout, but it seems to lack in functionality. Hopefully the holo table is going to be something specific for exploration, but without knowing for sure i can't see why it's an 'exploration' ship. It's just a touring ship.
when the ranger comes out this ship can be a very good calvary drop ship lol you can lift 1 or 2 in front and probably fit 10 in the rear because the bikes are so tiny that they will drive off the elevator and park on the walk paths
im gunna use to do delivery missions xD that front will be handy for placeing boxes
I just can't get over the fact that the bike elevator isn't accessible from inside the ship. That grav generator was such a stupid thing to add.
All depends on what you want to do, do you want a nice ship to explore And you already have a fighter or multi crew ship that maybe you can go with adding this one. If you have only one ship and want to upgrade I would wait
Wonder if CIG will eventually give the 400i different variants…. Would love to see a racing version.
Its a little less than a connie but a bit more than a max. The design is nice...but some detail should have been taken to make sure that it can fit everything up to cyclones in the main elevator...I like it. Wish the freelancers still had those stairs. Great vid, STL! love your insights. Thanks!
Great view, looking forward to your thoughts on the Anvil Liberator
This ship is in my opinion more like a camper for vacation which can be used a little bit for trading and stuff. People need to stop comparing ships against each other and just take them for what they are. Even in concept pictures the crew is mostly in their freetime clothes and not armor. Its for travveling the verse and not for making big money. Just as a Yacht is not comparable with a fishing ship even if itsthe same size.
So far its the most refined ship i think. I like it :)
STL keeps comparing the singular model 400i to several versions of the Constellation - KEEP IN MIND that you can only pick 1 Constellation to take out at a time - so whatever advantages the Aquilla might have - you do not gain those by taking out an Andromeda. STL shjould have reviewed the Connies and picked a specific comparison. I mean come on STL the 400i dopesn't have the hot tub the Pheonix has - so if you're way the hell out in the middle of nowhere w/ the 400i and want to go for a dip - you're SOL. But then again if you're in the Aquilla - you ahve the same problem.
I want 1 thing and I will be happy. Swap out the exploration module for a touring module. Swap out the holo table for a hot tub and lose the upper rear turret. Will be my perfect ship!
I personally like the Interior of the 400 far better than the Constellation. It just feels that the space es far better used and that there are more things to do and more places to be. While I hope that the constellation will get an interior facelift at some point the 400 is for me currently the nicest vessel to cruise around in a small form factor.
I love my Phoenix though. :)
@@marcushirt1232 I have the Phoenix too of course, but I hope that the front part of that variant becomes more integrated into the whole concept. Either by putting a passenger entrance and additional facilities futher back or by reworking the whole front part to be more luxurious.
Agreed, screams Star Wars and is similar to what I had in my head as a kid for Lando's "Lady Luck" until I saw a picture of it...
I love this ship a lot more than I thought I would
I like it but somebody said it looks like Sebulba and now I can't unsee it.
Would have been nice to have the tour of ship sync with narration.
Over the weekend he was the only person at the time that actually talked in the video tour so it was better than nothing.
Don't like those video tours with nobody talking.
I love the way it looks, if it was in black it would like a sith ship like Darth maul. torn between this and the msr for a daily driver, but I think the msr just offers more utilities.
The extra Citizencon skin that comes with is pretty much a solid black / charcoal. Just be aware if you upgrade from a different ship you don't get that extra skin. I had to buy the black/orange "Afterglow" skin for an extra $7.50. 🤷♂️
Bought the Connie and the 400i, can't wait for next patch!
I could see using this as a transport for ground racing vehicles. Thnx for the video.
Great demos of the bike container and getting a Cyclone in.
Do we know already if we can use the hidden storage compartments in the back of the ship?