Glad to see that others have commented below as I will do here now. Its one thing to use the nylon aka pins when sailing on a lake but honestly it’s damn dangerous to be out in the ocean especially in weather like you guys were in without making the switch over to stainless bolts on the akas and an aluminum pin for the rudder. I have blogged about this many times in the past and it angers me that Hobie has NOT been forth right in confirming the weakness of the nylon pins. The reason that Hobie supports the use of the nylon pins is for two specific reasons: 1) Nylon is used in the aka supports as quick relief for novice sailors who might accidently slam into a dock or other hard object and the nylon break-away bolts will give thus saving the AMAS from serious damage. I agree with this mentality but Hobie should have a supplement in the owner’s manual explaining that more experienced sailors should use stainless bolts like the rest of us do once you know how to use the boat especially if you plan on sailing in heavy air and seas. The nylon bolts will fail with age regardless of whether or not you hit something and you do not need to be out on the ocean in rough weather to discover this for the first time. 2) The Nylon rudder pin is designed to break-away in harsh conditions to protect the transom from being damaged and to avoid a full tear out. Once again, this is a novice problem and experienced adventure island and Tandem Island owners know to reef (decrease sail area) to take the tension off the rudder. Much like the break-away pins used on the Akas, the rudder pin will ultimately fail no matter what and should be replaced with an aluminum pin. New Adventure Islands and newer Tandem Islands have beefed up support points as Hobie is well aware of the problems associated with the original boats but they still support use of the nylon bolts to protect both the boats as well as themselves from possible lawsuits related to inexperienced sailors getting injured for the reasons cited above. Final point and this is what bothers me the most. As mentioned above, the nylon bolts break away often with little to no advanced notice but they represent an additional revenue stream and I believe in addition to safety concerns that this is the main reason that Hobie still suggests using them instead up upgrading to the stainless bolts and aluminum pin. If you own either an AI or TI and have NOT experienced the nylon nut failure, it’s NOT a question of if, but when they will fail so be careful and if after reading this you still plan on staying with the nylon pins, at least change them regularly and store a bag onboard with at least 8 aka bolts and 4 rudder pins. One failure putting you into the drink may NOT only be an unpleasant /unsafe experience but can be very costly as expensive items can be lost overboard and never be recovered. PLEASE!!!!! do one of two things, either change the nylon bolts after every couple of sails or upgrade to the stainless and aluminum especially if you are going off shore. Best of luck to everyone reading this!!!
This is great info. I've had my TI just 1 year, but i have taken it out in salt water only once at Key Biscayne. I sail mostly in a nearby lake. I sure plan to update my aka and rudder pins before i start going out again this spring.
I love my Hobie TI a great deal. Watching this video, where its capabilities are so aptly demonstrated, makes me love it even more. I have to say, you all have very big cojones sailing in those conditions! My hat is off to you. Great video!!
Que buen video! Pura acción y en situaciones extremas. Videos como este son los que más disfruto de ver. Me alegro que todo terminó bien. Saludos desde Cartagena, Colombia.
Great Video, I am a new TI owner and have learnt a lot from your vids. Question about the pins, By replacing with stronger pins is it possible that something else might break or bend, something not so easy fixed at sea, I suspect Hobie have made these pins the weak point for a reason....any thoughts appreciated.
Hi Chris! that´s the point, we try to show our experience... changing the pins is the best for us as we sail in brave sea, nevertheless we have to double care when beaching... then many things could break by waves. But it is strongly recommended in deep waters and a risk when beaching.
Wow, so glad that every1 is alive 2day 2 joke about, but when it happened, it wasn't funny, it was real & could had been worse. Thx 4 sharing on Utube.
Great video - and good outcome.....always sail with stainless steel pins! Agree - hard to right TI in heavy waves. Glad everyone was safely back on dry ground....a story to remember!
Wow! do you think added stress from the haka in the wind broke the pin or maybe just it finally wore through from hard use? did Jose recover his haka benches?
Hi!! It is probably because with the time the pins Also damage... Maybe , Every few Months we should change them. Nevertheless, we have changed them for steel ones. In this case we used the we wrong aka by mistake ... Greetings!
Enhorabuena por el vídeo. Es espectacular. Se ve que tenéis muchas horas de experiencia y sangre fría para resolver situaciones como las que habéis vivido. Tengo un hobie Island tandem adverture desde hace un mes y he salido tres veces... He visto que lleváis entre las akas una plataforma rígida.. podéis decirme de qué material está hecha y dónde puedo comprarla? Muchas gracias desde Málaga
+Luciano famigli hi! you know there´s a plastic pin to hold the akas open... normally we change them for a steel one. in this case, there was a mistake and Jose used an aka with a plastic pin. This broke because of the waves and the heavy sea... then ama folds and capsize occurs...
@@educavendish modelo antigo TI, akas era de dobradiça unindo por um pino de ferro, Hobie mudaram para nylon... para segurança acho melhor de aço nos lene e da akas também... primeiro segurança, depois dinheiro...kkkk
mano parabéns linda aventura ,que sufoco meu , quantos viraram ,deveriam ter tirado o mastro e terminado no drive e no remo ,nos ensina muito com sua trip parabéns ,
Saludos Edu y compañía!! Como siempre subiendo vídeos geniales!! Gracias por compartirlos!!! (tú siempre con la cámara a punto 😂😁). Lo de cambiar el pin de plástico por uno metálico, cuando hay mala mar, parece prudente, pero ya sabéis q también tiene sus riesgos... recuerdo yo una vez, iba solo en mi Adventure, también con buenas olazas, y de repente un torpón con un patín catalán (especie de catamaran de madera pero sin timón) me invistió. Suerte del pin PLÁSTICO que obviamenre se partió.... en esa situación con un pin metálico no se que habría pasado.... quizá un Titanic2 😂
Efectivamente! Tiene su cometido y está pensado para eso. Bueno no tanto para ese caso sino para problemas especialmente al llegar a playa. De hecho nosotros salvamos mucho al volcar dos TIs en plena orilla de Arinaga . Pero también es verdad que los he roto sin argumentos fuertes como para ello y fastidia mucho porque te hace volcar... Yo tardé en cambiarlos pero finalmente lo hice. Hay gente que navega mucho , como yakass , y aconseja el cambio ... Es hacer cada uno sus cálculos....
I was caught in heavy winds on a TI once (shouldn’t have been out at all...), and lost rudder authority. Crashed into a rocky beach, and the nylon shear-pin saved the rest of the aka structure from being damaged. It’s kind of a double edged sword; either sacrifice structural integrity or protection against structural damage. Personally, I was very grateful for that pin AND the spare located 1 inch away from it :)
@phil hall My personal experience is that the Island-series are made to withstand quite a lot of beating, but being a bit smart about certain things (like in my example) and trying to plan ahead makes it even better equipped to withstand the forces of nature. Simple things like tying a knot on the furling line to prevent it to fully unfurl, etc.
I had my rudder pin randomly brake a few months ago. We were going quite quickly but didn't hit anything. I forgot to put my spare pin in the boat, so I had to sit on the back to hold the rudder and slowly steer to shore. Not sure how I would have got back if I was alone. I think I will replace all of the pins at the start of every season now. The pin that broke was 2 years old.
It is quite important! spare pins. We have them if we don´t sail with the stainless steel ones. But normally we have all boats with pins changed to steel.
Edu, hay algun problema con los videos q subiste de Lanza Fuerte 2015??? No los puedo ver.... ni en la tablet ni en el móvil.... son misterios de la putainformática?? Miguel (mbgpolar)
+PERZAL BG hola!!! sí, hay algunos problemas. Creo que lo verás sin problemas en un ordenador. Pero, efectivamente, misterios de la ....atica! saludos!!
Congratulations congratulations beautiful adventure, that suffocate mine, how many turned, should have taken the mast and finished in the drive and in the oar, teaches us much with your trip congratulations,
Interesting video. Thank you. I agree with many of the comments below. The main structural members should not break or be allowed to become unintentionally disconnected. Even a shear pin on a rudder blade is not good. An elastic cord or better still friction device is far superior. It is a shame that something as generally capable as this trimaran is, can be let down by minor problems.
in the ARC event we there are more than 200 sailing boats; some old models of Volvo Ocean Race also sail. We sail around all of them at the start of the race
+Juanlu kayak yo he llegado a volcar estando solo en el adventure. Todo se pasa. La verdad es que a mi me costo bien poco darle la vuelta: dejé un patin con su trampolín puesto y el viento hizo casi todo el desvuelco. Era un sitio delicado al oeste de la isla... Esta vez fue mas costoso darle la vuelta. Efectivamente, la mar estaba complicada y los chalecos molestan en estos casos que necesitas maniobrar bajo el agua. saludos!!
Most people don't realise, how overrated and, in fact, dangerous a Hobbie Tandem Island is. Due to false advertisements, lack of true information, and spreading lies, it became somewhat a cool thing to go on open waters on Hobbie Tandem Island. Fact is: The Hobbie Tandem Island is NOT a sailing trimaran. It's NOT a sailing kayak. It is a FLOATING DEVICE with a lousy D rating in EC guidelines. Should not be used in waves more than a couple inches. Not in strong winds. Only very close to shoreline. Be aware. Hobie Tandem Island SUCK !!!!
Wow! many lessons to be learned, glad you shared this video!I am very happy you are all safe.
many thanks! we are all back sailing for adventures!!
Glad you guys were okay. Those were some huge waves! Thanks for sharing.
thanks very much!!
Glad to see that others have commented below as I will do here now. Its one thing to use the nylon aka pins when sailing on a lake but honestly it’s damn dangerous to be out in the ocean especially in weather like you guys were in without making the switch over to stainless bolts on the akas and an aluminum pin for the rudder. I have blogged about this many times in the past and it angers me that Hobie has NOT been forth right in confirming the weakness of the nylon pins.
The reason that Hobie supports the use of the nylon pins is for two specific reasons:
1) Nylon is used in the aka supports as quick relief for novice sailors who might accidently slam into a dock or other hard object and the nylon break-away bolts will give thus saving the AMAS from serious damage. I agree with this mentality but Hobie should have a supplement in the owner’s manual explaining that more experienced sailors should use stainless bolts like the rest of us do once you know how to use the boat especially if you plan on sailing in heavy air and seas. The nylon bolts will fail with age regardless of whether or not you hit something and you do not need to be out on the ocean in rough weather to discover this for the first time.
2) The Nylon rudder pin is designed to break-away in harsh conditions to protect the transom from being damaged and to avoid a full tear out. Once again, this is a novice problem and experienced adventure island and Tandem Island owners know to reef (decrease sail area) to take the tension off the rudder. Much like the break-away pins used on the Akas, the rudder pin will ultimately fail no matter what and should be replaced with an aluminum pin. New Adventure Islands and newer Tandem Islands have beefed up support points as Hobie is well aware of the problems associated with the original boats but they still support use of the nylon bolts to protect both the boats as well as themselves from possible lawsuits related to inexperienced sailors getting injured for the reasons cited above. Final point and this is what bothers me the most. As mentioned above, the nylon bolts break away often with little to no advanced notice but they represent an additional revenue stream and I believe in addition to safety concerns that this is the main reason that Hobie still suggests using them instead up upgrading to the stainless bolts and aluminum pin. If you own either an AI or TI and have NOT experienced the nylon nut failure, it’s NOT a question of if, but when they will fail so be careful and if after reading this you still plan on staying with the nylon pins, at least change them regularly and store a bag onboard with at least 8 aka bolts and 4 rudder pins.
One failure putting you into the drink may NOT only be an unpleasant /unsafe experience but can be very costly as expensive items can be lost overboard and never be recovered.
PLEASE!!!!! do one of two things, either change the nylon bolts after every couple of sails or upgrade to the stainless and aluminum especially if you are going off shore.
Best of luck to everyone reading this!!!
I do agree! thanks a lot
This is great info. I've had my TI just 1 year, but i have taken it out in salt water only once at Key Biscayne. I sail mostly in a nearby lake. I sure plan to update my aka and rudder pins before i start going out again this spring.
I love my Hobie TI a great deal. Watching this video, where its capabilities are so aptly demonstrated, makes me love it even more. I have to say, you all have very big cojones sailing in those conditions! My hat is off to you. Great video!!
Thanks very much! We also enjoy our Hobie islands so much!! You are right they are very capable for Many weather conditions.
Greetings!!
I don't think that Hobie made the Tandem Island for extreme conditions. I've watched the beginning of this video over 30 times. It's amazing!
No way in hell would I have gone out in that mess. Kudos to you guys for having the balls to make the run. Scary stuff
Que buen video! Pura acción y en situaciones extremas. Videos como este son los que más disfruto de ver. Me alegro que todo terminó bien. Saludos desde Cartagena, Colombia.
+NaveganteBOG terminó bien, sí!! gracias, como siempre, por tus comentarios.
un abrazo!
Great Video, I am a new TI owner and have learnt a lot from your vids. Question about the pins, By replacing with stronger pins is it possible that something else might break or bend, something not so easy fixed at sea, I suspect Hobie have made these pins the weak point for a reason....any thoughts appreciated.
Hi Chris! that´s the point, we try to show our experience... changing the pins is the best for us as we sail in brave sea, nevertheless we have to double care when beaching... then many things could break by waves. But it is strongly recommended in deep waters and a risk when beaching.
Increible, ...mucho valor
Wow, so glad that every1 is alive 2day 2 joke about, but when it happened, it wasn't funny, it was real & could had been worse. Thx 4 sharing on Utube.
How'd you stop the aka folding again? Did you have a spare pin, or did you brace it with a rope?
Felicitaciones Muchachos ! Soy trimaranista tambien.. Saludos desde Aruba ...
An exciting video. Well done.
+Michael Skorulski thanks very much!!
Great video - and good outcome.....always sail with stainless steel pins!
Agree - hard to right TI in heavy waves.
Glad everyone was safely back on dry ground....a story to remember!
Always!! Thanks for the comment!! Greetings!!
Wow! do you think added stress from the haka in the wind broke the pin or maybe just it finally wore through from hard use? did Jose recover his haka benches?
Hi!!
It is probably because with the time the pins Also damage... Maybe , Every few Months we should change them. Nevertheless, we have changed them for steel ones. In this case we used the we wrong aka by mistake ...
Greetings!
Enhorabuena por el vídeo. Es espectacular. Se ve que tenéis muchas horas de experiencia y sangre fría para resolver situaciones como las que habéis vivido.
Tengo un hobie Island tandem adverture desde hace un mes y he salido tres veces...
He visto que lleváis entre las akas una plataforma rígida.. podéis decirme de qué material está hecha y dónde puedo comprarla?
Muchas gracias desde Málaga
Excellent video, as always! Glad everyone was OK. Did you ever determine the cause of the failure?
thanks a lot! a plastic pin on the aka broke.
The waves are very Impressive... What happened exactly with the haka ?
+Luciano famigli hi! you know there´s a plastic pin to hold the akas open... normally we change them for a steel one. in this case, there was a mistake and Jose used an aka with a plastic pin. This broke because of the waves and the heavy sea... then ama folds and capsize occurs...
+educavendish
Ok
Never go out alone in the sea conditions ... that's the rule !
Thanks for your videos, they make me dream...
+Luciano familly thanks for your comments! 👍🏻
@@educavendish modelo antigo TI, akas era de dobradiça unindo por um pino de ferro, Hobie mudaram para nylon... para segurança acho melhor de aço nos lene e da akas também... primeiro segurança, depois dinheiro...kkkk
mano parabéns linda aventura ,que sufoco meu , quantos viraram ,deveriam ter tirado o mastro e terminado no drive e no remo ,nos ensina muito com sua trip parabéns ,
Saludos Edu y compañía!! Como siempre subiendo vídeos geniales!! Gracias por compartirlos!!! (tú siempre con la cámara a punto 😂😁).
Lo de cambiar el pin de plástico por uno metálico, cuando hay mala mar, parece prudente, pero ya sabéis q también tiene sus riesgos... recuerdo yo una vez, iba solo en mi Adventure, también con buenas olazas, y de repente un torpón con un patín catalán (especie de catamaran de madera pero sin timón) me invistió. Suerte del pin PLÁSTICO que obviamenre se partió.... en esa situación con un pin metálico no se que habría pasado.... quizá un Titanic2 😂
Efectivamente! Tiene su cometido y está pensado para eso. Bueno no tanto para ese caso sino para problemas especialmente al llegar a playa. De hecho nosotros salvamos mucho al volcar dos TIs en plena orilla de Arinaga . Pero también es verdad que los he roto sin argumentos fuertes como para ello y fastidia mucho porque te hace volcar... Yo tardé en cambiarlos pero finalmente lo hice. Hay gente que navega mucho , como yakass , y aconseja el cambio ... Es hacer cada uno sus cálculos....
I was caught in heavy winds on a TI once (shouldn’t have been out at all...), and lost rudder authority. Crashed into a rocky beach, and the nylon shear-pin saved the rest of the aka structure from being damaged. It’s kind of a double edged sword; either sacrifice structural integrity or protection against structural damage. Personally, I was very grateful for that pin AND the spare located 1 inch away from it :)
@phil hall My personal experience is that the Island-series are made to withstand quite a lot of beating, but being a bit smart about certain things (like in my example) and trying to plan ahead makes it even better equipped to withstand the forces of nature. Simple things like tying a knot on the furling line to prevent it to fully unfurl, etc.
@@vegarduy
I had my rudder pin randomly brake a few months ago. We were going quite quickly but didn't hit anything. I forgot to put my spare pin in the boat, so I had to sit on the back to hold the rudder and slowly steer to shore. Not sure how I would have got back if I was alone. I think I will replace all of the pins at the start of every season now. The pin that broke was 2 years old.
It is quite important! spare pins. We have them if we don´t sail with the stainless steel ones. But normally we have all boats with pins changed to steel.
Do you use a steel rudder pin also?
Edu, hay algun problema con los videos q subiste de Lanza Fuerte 2015??? No los puedo ver.... ni en la tablet ni en el móvil.... son misterios de la putainformática?? Miguel (mbgpolar)
+PERZAL BG hola!!! sí, hay algunos problemas. Creo que lo verás sin problemas en un ordenador. Pero, efectivamente, misterios de la ....atica!
saludos!!
Congratulations congratulations beautiful adventure, that suffocate mine, how many turned, should have taken the mast and finished in the drive and in the oar, teaches us much with your trip congratulations,
many thanks!
ok
(0.o) WOW!!! Those were some huge waves for a TI. Did you determine what caused the equipment failure?
Heyy great video!!!
thanks very much!!
your lucky!! wow they where huge waves man!!
Hindukush1234 they're always big waves in the Canary islands..
Brilliant
Interesting video. Thank you. I agree with many of the comments below. The main structural members should not break or be allowed to become unintentionally disconnected. Even a shear pin on a rudder blade is not good. An elastic cord or better still friction device is far superior. It is a shame that something as generally capable as this trimaran is, can be let down by minor problems.
that was some scary stuff .. I wonder if I could fit on one I'm a big guy
this is nuts!
I do not believe, have you guys been with the people of volvo oceam race? It must have been too much for us
in the ARC event we there are more than 200 sailing boats; some old models of Volvo Ocean Race also sail. We sail around all of them at the start of the race
Lo mejor del video el comentario "son la polla tio". que sobrao no?
+jose alarcon jajajaja!!!
Con esas olas y ese aire tuvieron que pasar un mal rato cuando volcaron... No me puedo ni imaginar esa situación estando solo. Saludos.
+Juanlu kayak yo he llegado a volcar estando solo en el adventure. Todo se pasa. La verdad es que a mi me costo bien poco darle la vuelta: dejé un patin con su trampolín puesto y el viento hizo casi todo el desvuelco. Era un sitio delicado al oeste de la isla... Esta vez fue mas costoso darle la vuelta. Efectivamente, la mar estaba complicada y los chalecos molestan en estos casos que necesitas maniobrar bajo el agua.
saludos!!
Si, recuerdo un vídeo donde dijiste que habías volcado con el AI. Yo tendre que probarlo, por si me pasa algún día saber manejarme bien.
+Juanlu kayak es bueno hacer alguna práctica.
Un abrazo ….
I read these pins have been breaking very easily for some reason, it doesn't give me much confidence.
it is better to change them! I do prefer sailing with steel pins.
Great !
hihihihihihi,huge waves,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
For more explanations, see Hobie foro:
www.hobiecat.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=59921
Most people don't realise, how overrated and, in fact, dangerous a Hobbie Tandem Island is.
Due to false advertisements, lack of true information, and spreading lies, it became somewhat a cool thing to go on open waters on Hobbie Tandem Island.
Fact is:
The Hobbie Tandem Island is NOT a sailing trimaran.
It's NOT a sailing kayak.
It is a FLOATING DEVICE with a lousy D rating in EC guidelines.
Should not be used in waves more than a couple inches. Not in strong winds.
Only very close to shoreline.
Be aware.
Hobie Tandem Island SUCK !!!!