I lived in Jax for almost 6 years and used the monorail twice, just for fun. It takes you nowhere. Really short ride that doesn't solve any traffic problem.
So true. When i lived in Jacksonville this was being built and lots of hype for it especially when they said it would go from downtown to regency area and future to the beaches. They planned to expand all over the city and to Orange Park but they price tag was so high and delay after delay it was just a money drain.
This is the type of system we need in Orlando, the Sunrail is a nice system for people who live in the outskirts, but we need a monorail system that services the major in town arteries of our city from north, south, east, and west of OIA, including the theme parks. Great video Luke.
Yes, I was impressed with Jacksonville. The monorail technology works well with switching on different routes and high speed for urban transportation. I just wish it could be extended and longer trains.
@@Luke_Starkenburg Agreed, one of the problems of having the lower profile cars, but I am not complaining personally as it adds to the sleek look (at least in my opinion).
i would really like to see this expanded past a toy train set. Jacksonville could use a full sized rail transit system. Nothing complex to start. How about a line in each direction with a central hub?
It's a real shame that people who plan infrastructure view these as a novelty outside Japan. Korea has the new echobee and china only seems to use the, for minor links to airports etc. With the correct route that picks up residents to major shopping districts we should be able to get people out of there cars and still make a reasonable profit
Just got back from shooting video there. I think this completes my visitation to every fixed guideway system in North America that is higher than a streetcar. On the first day there they had a single car serving both branches to Central but NOT the trunk downtown. No announcements or signage. Just get on and hope it gets to your stop eventually, or just walk if you get tired of waiting. A total shit show of anger and frustration. JTA sucks balls. After enjoying some good bus rides, I was stranded for the most important one, my return to the airport! Had to call a lyft and waste $30. They decommissioned the text for schedule system but all the signs still show the stop numbers. On the second day they ran somewhat normal service, though one train changed direction at Central without warning. Headway was around 15 minutes. In the PM rush there were a couple of 'choice' riders going to the Park n Ride at Kings Ave. I saw lots of folks changing buses at the new La Vila terminal, but very few came up to the Skyway. Downtown is dead, this was in perfect 70 degree weather. Rosa Parks is surreal. Only one bus lane is needed, and it is surrounded by vacant land in three directions. Like so many cities, Jacksonville has great bones - a hundred thousand people should be there living car free and enjoying real community. Maybe someday that will happen. I think the future autonomous system is a good idea and hopefully something can be made of the place once people discover that endless motoring is gone for good.
joel k I know, many places that say MONORAIL are actually not monorail. This is a rare exception. I would love it if Jacksonville kept it and expanded it but they are taking about replacing the older technology (with less available replacement parts) with a PRT POD system. I think even that sounds far fetched. I don’t know what Jacksonville will look like in 5 or 10 years.
@@Luke_Starkenburg The plan is to keep the structure in place, but replace the trains with autonomous vehicles (JTA is currently testing several types as its test track). The trains will run both on the current elevated track and then come down to ground level to run into nearby neighborhoods. JTA hopes to expands the current 2.5 miles Skyway into a 10 mile network of on-demand autonomous vehicles (currently testing the NAVYA from France). There will also be a new station in Brooklyn/Riveside, as well as the new Jacksonville Regional Transportation Center across from the convention center.
JTAFLA I really hope this actually happens! I’m curious what the speed of the vehicles will be and how they will be expanded into different neighborhoods at ground level. I’ve ridden a small autonomous bus in Europe and the top speed was 10mph. Walking was sometimes faster. Also, an onboard “attendant” was required to take over driving using a remote control if necessary.
Sam Sitar they should extend it to the Jacksonville Jaguars football stadium. That could help boost ridership and really help this unique monorail pay for itself.
They will be, that much is a fact, though from the camera view at central, the greyhound station is no longer there and is now across the street from the currently closed convention center station --- the Jefferson station is also closed for the same reason --- as part of building the new Regional Transportation Center (JRTC), where Greyhound, JTA, and Amtrak (maybe even Megabus at some point) will all be located. As for where the skyway will likely be extended, that's the Sports Complex (where the Jags, the Jumbo Shrimp (baseball), and the Icemen (hockey) play, the riverside area, north of the rosa parks station heading to UF Shands hospital, and south from the kings avenue station to the san marco area, with another branch line to Baptist Medical Center (downtown location) Sources: JRTC: www.jtafla.com/blueprint/jacksonville-regional-transportation-center/ Skyway Improvement/Replacement, including potential line additions: u2c.jtafla.com/
Robert Preskop it took them 20 yrs just to go a quarter mile and cost billions. That’s the reason why it was dubbed the train to nowhere. The original concept was the train would go all over the city but the cost was so high for a train that only went 1/8 of a mile.
Cute but not cost effective. That 1/16 of mile cost the taxpayers several billions. When it first was built it went only a few thousand feet and was only in downtown. Built in area where you could walk faster than riding it. That’s why it was called a train to nowhere.
Fantastic footage as always, Luke! Have you ever seen any footage of this system back before it was modified to Monorail (ie, when it was MATRA VAL 256)? I've only seen a handful of photographs. From what I understand, the trains went to Chicago for the O'Hare ATS.
Iain Hendry I don't think I've seen footage. I rode the Chicago O'Hare ATS train this morning. They are currently extending the O'Hare ATS system to a new combined car rental facility and direct transfer to the Metra commuter rail.
You understood correctly. The old Jacksonville VAL cars were sold to Chicago in 1996 (References: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacksonville_Skyway#Implementation_and_expansion and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airport_Transit_System#Fleet).
Just when you thought the public transportation system in Jacksonville couldn't get any worse, the skyway's efficiency nose dives. Jealous of the inefficiency of the busses and their drivers, the skyway pattern has changed for the 3rd time in as many months. The marquee only work when they feel like it, if it's not covered with a banner saying: Out of Order! This is how you manage a busted vending machine, not a mode of public transportation. The announcements regarding the train's next destination are only audible if you're actually ON one of the trains. Top it all off with the fact that these trains are nothing more then elevated sidewalks for bums to beg from you, and you have the perfect storm of incompetence, apathy from its management, and criminal activity. Once on the train, the doors sometimes close, sometimes they remain open for well over 5 minutes. Sometimes, an "employee" will rudly, and without explanation, demand you ride in a different car of the train. They used to pretend to CLEAN the cars, giving a cursory wiping down of the poles due to covid, and sometimes I think they just do it to show how rude they can be. Jacksonville's JTA isn't one to short change you when they dole out the unprofessional behavior. No, sir! If you weren't spoken to like a junkyard dog by a bus driver, they'll make sure to have their staff crawl up to a skyway platform and verbally vomit on you THERE. OR, a transient may ACTUALLY vomit on you. JTA's motto is: "Meh. Good enough." When trying to figure out the times of the bus departure, you can download SEVERAL apps. Why? Because ONE of them has to be accurate, right? WRONG! The MyJTA app tells users a bus is coming to a certain stop, then YourBus says there are "No predictions at this time" for the same bus. I guess JTA likes surprises. Like making you late for work even though you had to leave home 2 hours before your shift because JTA is already so inefficient, you have to. Another surprise they enjoy springing on you is switching skyway routes so the track one would take through downtown, now takes you across the river to San Marco! SURPRISE! They make sure the marquis are out of order so you can enjoy THIS surprise as you realize you're about to cross the Acosta bridge. And be late for work. Realizing you could've been early for work, had you just walked the ONE MILE there. So, yes, JTA's system is so flawed, they can't get ONE MILE without mucking it up. To add insult to injury, the busses have photos of their employees and announcements proclaiming they've won myriad awards for their services. They MUST be giving these awards to themselves. I can't imagine anyone with sound mind could possibly experience JTA's botchedy system and award them anything but sideways glances and disgust. In closing, the only thing JTA's good for is drumming up business for Uber, Lyft, and local car dealerships.
Thanks Tim. I use mostly my Canon G30 with some iPhone shots as well. I edit with Final Cut Pro. I love the stabilization Final Cut Pro gives me. I upload directly from FCP which is quick and easy.
it looks like a Huge Infrastructure for just these two little trains. how often do they run? every 5 minutes? every 15? 30? that's a major determining factor of how well a transport system is used, how frequent and reliable are the rides?
It is a lot of infrastructure, but its more than 2 trains. During rush hour (peak hour) I think they run about every 5 minutes. It's great that they are automated and don't need a driver or attendant. They can run additional trains when needed without having to worry about extra labor costs. Jacksonville is talking about replacing the track and trains with PRT (Personal Rapid Transit) vehicles using the existing bridge structure. The PRT Pods would use the elevated structure for part of the route and then continue on the ground/surface level.
Yes it is! I recently drove and saw the old vehicles still parked at O'Hare on the gravel. A lot of them seem like they are spray painted white on one side.
From 2012-2016 there were just under 5 million rides taken on the Skyway. In 2017-2018, stations were closed for nearby construction so park-n-ride usage dropped off. Ridership is mostly downtown workers, as that was its original target when it opened in 1989. Lots of travel between the Northbank and Southbank (across the St. Johns River).
This is why Atlanta beats Jacksonville; that city has REAL transportation, far and wide. Meanwhile, what do we have? a small two-mile long joke of a joke system. I wish I ran this city because I would have been solved this issue.
Listen, it's a beautiful train/all, but a colossal waste of money. Jacksonville would be MUCH better off to use light rail, which is much cheaper, would serve more people & be longer. I guess they just wanted to keep up w/ Oni-sama Miami.
@@Luke_Starkenburg I think they also want a commuter train. What an embarrassment it must be being the headquarters of CSX & having crappy passenger rail. Still, by my numbers, JAX can afford about 10 miles of light rail/50 miles of commuter rail.
Antonio Jagua Eu montava o monotrilho em São Paulo ontem. É um sistema muito bom e capaz, mas apenas duas estações estão abertas atualmente. Está demorando muito para construir por causa da política. I rode the monorail in São Paulo yesterday. It is a very good and capable system but only two stations are open currently. It is taking a long time to build because of politics.
If you had to drive downtown Jacksonville to commute, the noise would be a blessing! I moved here 3 yrs ago & will not drive down there unless really have to!
Nancy Uren ~ By the time you drive all the way to the southbank to park your car and ride on this “system” you might as well just drive into downtown since you would be literally on the other side of the bridge, and traffic from that point isn’t that horrendous. The skyway is a joke because there are only a few stations and it is so dated at this point. A true joke.
Tannawannavannabit Tannawannavannabit true. When this was planned it sounded great cause they said it would go all over the city. The first leg was downtown then spread to the southside regency area. Move to the beaches. Go to Mandarin area than to Orange Park. The rub was that small 1/16TH of a mile cost the taxpayers billions and took a decade to build. We called it the train to nowhere cause it was built so short and in an area where not many wanted to go. You could literally walk faster from one station to the other.
I lived in Jax for almost 6 years and used the monorail twice, just for fun. It takes you nowhere. Really short ride that doesn't solve any traffic problem.
So true. When i lived in Jacksonville this was being built and lots of hype for it especially when they said it would go from downtown to regency area and future to the beaches. They planned to expand all over the city and to Orange Park but they price tag was so high and delay after delay it was just a money drain.
Public transportation is only successful when there's expansion
I know!! I lived there a few months and felt the same way
This is the type of system we need in Orlando, the Sunrail is a nice system for people who live in the outskirts, but we need a monorail system that services the major in town arteries of our city from north, south, east, and west of OIA, including the theme parks. Great video Luke.
Jacksonville appears to be a clean beautiful modern city and is blessed to have this unique monorail train.
Yes, I was impressed with Jacksonville. The monorail technology works well with switching on different routes and high speed for urban transportation. I just wish it could be extended and longer trains.
@@Luke_Starkenburg Fun fact, Bombardier still has plans for a C-car for the trains, it would be inserted between the A and B cars
@@CSXBoys That is cool! I really wish this design could be walk through, but oh well!
@@Luke_Starkenburg Agreed, one of the problems of having the lower profile cars, but I am not complaining personally as it adds to the sleek look (at least in my opinion).
@@Luke_Starkenburg they are expanding the route
The Skyway is so cute.
Grew up in Jax, still have to go ride this thing every time I visit for old times sake
Love the birds & the dolphins 🐬 to add to a great 👍🏻 video.
Fort Lauderdale needs this throughout the whole county. I would love to hop on it and go to work!
Nobody uses it. It doesn't go anywhere. It isn't nearly as good as it seems
Tp L the reason why it’s short is it was very costly to build and dubbed by residents as a the train to nowhere
i would really like to see this expanded past a toy train set. Jacksonville could use a full sized rail transit system. Nothing complex to start. How about a line in each direction with a central hub?
There planing an expansion
It's a real shame that people who plan infrastructure view these as a novelty outside Japan. Korea has the new echobee and china only seems to use the, for minor links to airports etc. With the correct route that picks up residents to major shopping districts we should be able to get people out of there cars and still make a reasonable profit
ram64man China has two of these monorails that act already as a metro tho
Just got back from shooting video there. I think this completes my visitation to every fixed guideway system in North America that is higher than a streetcar. On the first day there they had a single car serving both branches to Central but NOT the trunk downtown. No announcements or signage. Just get on and hope it gets to your stop eventually, or just walk if you get tired of waiting. A total shit show of anger and frustration. JTA sucks balls. After enjoying some good bus rides, I was stranded for the most important one, my return to the airport! Had to call a lyft and waste $30. They decommissioned the text for schedule system but all the signs still show the stop numbers. On the second day they ran somewhat normal service, though one train changed direction at Central without warning. Headway was around 15 minutes. In the PM rush there were a couple of 'choice' riders going to the Park n Ride at Kings Ave. I saw lots of folks changing buses at the new La Vila terminal, but very few came up to the Skyway. Downtown is dead, this was in perfect 70 degree weather. Rosa Parks is surreal. Only one bus lane is needed, and it is surrounded by vacant land in three directions. Like so many cities, Jacksonville has great bones - a hundred thousand people should be there living car free and enjoying real community. Maybe someday that will happen. I think the future autonomous system is a good idea and hopefully something can be made of the place once people discover that endless motoring is gone for good.
Good news there adding a station in Brooklyn
This looks like such a fun way to get around!
my mom drives for JTA and i used to ride with her on the bus and i rode the skyway multiple times
A real monorail! So many people incorrectly call any APM a monorail. I wish they would run on weekends, even just every 15-20 minutes.
joel k I know, many places that say MONORAIL are actually not monorail. This is a rare exception. I would love it if Jacksonville kept it and expanded it but they are taking about replacing the older technology (with less available replacement parts) with a PRT POD system. I think even that sounds far fetched. I don’t know what Jacksonville will look like in 5 or 10 years.
@@Luke_Starkenburg The plan is to keep the structure in place, but replace the trains with autonomous vehicles (JTA is currently testing several types as its test track). The trains will run both on the current elevated track and then come down to ground level to run into nearby neighborhoods. JTA hopes to expands the current 2.5 miles Skyway into a 10 mile network of on-demand autonomous vehicles (currently testing the NAVYA from France). There will also be a new station in Brooklyn/Riveside, as well as the new Jacksonville Regional Transportation Center across from the convention center.
JTAFLA I really hope this actually happens! I’m curious what the speed of the vehicles will be and how they will be expanded into different neighborhoods at ground level. I’ve ridden a small autonomous bus in Europe and the top speed was 10mph. Walking was sometimes faster. Also, an onboard “attendant” was required to take over driving using a remote control if necessary.
@@Luke_Starkenburg it's happening. The U.S. DOT just gave JTA $12.5M to start its Bay St Innovation Corridor with upwards of 15 autonomous vehicles.
It waa a friday in jacksonville and i saw no people on those
it looks great. they should extend it.
Sam Sitar they should extend it to the Jacksonville Jaguars football stadium. That could help boost ridership and really help this unique monorail pay for itself.
They will be, that much is a fact, though from the camera view at central, the greyhound station is no longer there and is now across the street from the currently closed convention center station --- the Jefferson station is also closed for the same reason --- as part of building the new Regional Transportation Center (JRTC), where Greyhound, JTA, and Amtrak (maybe even Megabus at some point) will all be located. As for where the skyway will likely be extended, that's the Sports Complex (where the Jags, the Jumbo Shrimp (baseball), and the Icemen (hockey) play, the riverside area, north of the rosa parks station heading to UF Shands hospital, and south from the kings avenue station to the san marco area, with another branch line to Baptist Medical Center (downtown location)
Sources:
JRTC: www.jtafla.com/blueprint/jacksonville-regional-transportation-center/
Skyway Improvement/Replacement, including potential line additions: u2c.jtafla.com/
Robert Preskop it took them 20 yrs just to go a quarter mile and cost billions. That’s the reason why it was dubbed the train to nowhere. The original concept was the train would go all over the city but the cost was so high for a train that only went 1/8 of a mile.
They are
Well, you certainly caught it from a variety of places! Nice video. I was not riding that day. . .
I always search for many unique angles to view trains!
That’s a cute little monorail you guys got going on there
Cute but not cost effective. That 1/16 of mile cost the taxpayers several billions. When it first was built it went only a few thousand feet and was only in downtown. Built in area where you could walk faster than riding it. That’s why it was called a train to nowhere.
Very nicely shot. Nice dinky train
Used to take this to mosh museum when i was living there it's beat traffic that for damn sure
Cool video thank you for sharing..
A monorail is quintessential gadgetbahn
This one is for sure. Other monorails are better, my favorite being the Chongqing Monorail in China.
@@Luke_Starkenburg all monorails are gadgetbahn
0:43 CSX Transportation headquarters.
These trains were white when I lived in Jacksonville
David Coty I was thinking the same thing
Jeremy Hancock Yeah. They changed the color.
Fantastic footage as always, Luke!
Have you ever seen any footage of this system back before it was modified to Monorail (ie, when it was MATRA VAL 256)? I've only seen a handful of photographs. From what I understand, the trains went to Chicago for the O'Hare ATS.
Iain Hendry I don't think I've seen footage. I rode the Chicago O'Hare ATS train this morning. They are currently extending the O'Hare ATS system to a new combined car rental facility and direct transfer to the Metra commuter rail.
You understood correctly. The old Jacksonville VAL cars were sold to Chicago in 1996 (References: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacksonville_Skyway#Implementation_and_expansion and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airport_Transit_System#Fleet).
I found some! ua-cam.com/video/IL_ztPckuYU/v-deo.html
Just when you thought the public transportation system in Jacksonville couldn't get any worse, the skyway's efficiency nose dives. Jealous of the inefficiency of the busses and their drivers, the skyway pattern has changed for the 3rd time in as many months. The marquee only work when they feel like it, if it's not covered with a banner saying: Out of Order! This is how you manage a busted vending machine, not a mode of public transportation. The announcements regarding the train's next destination are only audible if you're actually ON one of the trains. Top it all off with the fact that these trains are nothing more then elevated sidewalks for bums to beg from you, and you have the perfect storm of incompetence, apathy from its management, and criminal activity. Once on the train, the doors sometimes close, sometimes they remain open for well over 5 minutes. Sometimes, an "employee" will rudly, and without explanation, demand you ride in a different car of the train. They used to pretend to CLEAN the cars, giving a cursory wiping down of the poles due to covid, and sometimes I think they just do it to show how rude they can be. Jacksonville's JTA isn't one to short change you when they dole out the unprofessional behavior. No, sir! If you weren't spoken to like a junkyard dog by a bus driver, they'll make sure to have their staff crawl up to a skyway platform and verbally vomit on you THERE. OR, a transient may ACTUALLY vomit on you. JTA's motto is: "Meh. Good enough." When trying to figure out the times of the bus departure, you can download SEVERAL apps. Why? Because ONE of them has to be accurate, right? WRONG! The MyJTA app tells users a bus is coming to a certain stop, then YourBus says there are "No predictions at this time" for the same bus. I guess JTA likes surprises. Like making you late for work even though you had to leave home 2 hours before your shift because JTA is already so inefficient, you have to. Another surprise they enjoy springing on you is switching skyway routes so the track one would take through downtown, now takes you across the river to San Marco! SURPRISE! They make sure the marquis are out of order so you can enjoy THIS surprise as you realize you're about to cross the Acosta bridge. And be late for work. Realizing you could've been early for work, had you just walked the ONE MILE there. So, yes, JTA's system is so flawed, they can't get ONE MILE without mucking it up. To add insult to injury, the busses have photos of their employees and announcements proclaiming they've won myriad awards for their services. They MUST be giving these awards to themselves. I can't imagine anyone with sound mind could possibly experience JTA's botchedy system and award them anything but sideways glances and disgust. In closing, the only thing JTA's good for is drumming up business for Uber, Lyft, and local car dealerships.
Sweet job. :D
nicely filmed - please remind what camera you use and the program (editing) that keeps the 60p . Thanks Tim
Thanks Tim. I use mostly my Canon G30 with some iPhone shots as well. I edit with Final Cut Pro. I love the stabilization Final Cut Pro gives me. I upload directly from FCP which is quick and easy.
it looks like a Huge Infrastructure for just these two little trains. how often do they run? every 5 minutes? every 15? 30? that's a major determining factor of how well a transport system is used, how frequent and reliable are the rides?
It is a lot of infrastructure, but its more than 2 trains. During rush hour (peak hour) I think they run about every 5 minutes. It's great that they are automated and don't need a driver or attendant. They can run additional trains when needed without having to worry about extra labor costs. Jacksonville is talking about replacing the track and trains with PRT (Personal Rapid Transit) vehicles using the existing bridge structure. The PRT Pods would use the elevated structure for part of the route and then continue on the ground/surface level.
i have been in Jax for 22 years an never used this thing, but it only travels 2.5 miles.
Good video ❗️❗️❗️❗️❗️❗️
Nice video. Any particular reason why these trains run on the left (as opposed to the right, like most trains in the US)?
Pengaea they used to run on the right when I rode them
They actually run both sides, they will switch during route.
i went there before when i was 2 but i still stay in jax
There are working on expanding the route
ah the old bridge that used to be ran by the vals
Yes it is! I recently drove and saw the old vehicles still parked at O'Hare on the gravel. A lot of them seem like they are spray painted white on one side.
@@Luke_Starkenburg i wish i saw images of the old vals running on the bridge
needs more cars
Barely any ridership for even one car let alone more
The monorail train is short, is it easily get full?
I was thinking something similar. These are large elevated structure, but the trains are so small.
it doesn't. Sadly, it just cover the downtown area, not touching any neighborhoods so is basically a tourist attraction.
I've been in there.
Curious as the demographics of the ridership. Locals. Commuters. Business people. Etc.
From 2012-2016 there were just under 5 million rides taken on the Skyway. In 2017-2018, stations were closed for nearby construction so park-n-ride usage dropped off. Ridership is mostly downtown workers, as that was its original target when it opened in 1989. Lots of travel between the Northbank and Southbank (across the St. Johns River).
It would be more efficient if Jacksonville replaced it with a metro
A metro that went more than a few miles. Jacksonville can’t support that.
This is why Atlanta beats Jacksonville; that city has REAL transportation, far and wide. Meanwhile, what do we have? a small two-mile long joke of a joke system. I wish I ran this city because I would have been solved this issue.
Listen, it's a beautiful train/all, but a colossal waste of money. Jacksonville would be MUCH better off to use light rail, which is much cheaper, would serve more people & be longer. I guess they just wanted to keep up w/ Oni-sama Miami.
There is a plan to replace the monorail with a PRT system on the same bridges. I don't see it happening.
@@Luke_Starkenburg I think they also want a commuter train. What an embarrassment it must be being the headquarters of CSX & having crappy passenger rail. Still, by my numbers, JAX can afford about 10 miles of light rail/50 miles of commuter rail.
I mean it may be free but it does what it's supposed to caring its capacity. I use it to go to sweet Pete's and it's great
Parece q/estão fazendo esse tipo de transporte na cidade de SP, mas o povo ainda não está satisfeito, acostumado.......
Antonio Jagua Eu montava o monotrilho em São Paulo ontem. É um sistema muito bom e capaz, mas apenas duas estações estão abertas atualmente. Está demorando muito para construir por causa da política.
I rode the monorail in São Paulo yesterday. It is a very good and capable system but only two stations are open currently. It is taking a long time to build because of politics.
hahhaha monotrilho horrível .....
waste of taxpayers dollars.
noisy !
If you had to drive downtown Jacksonville to commute, the noise would be a blessing! I moved here 3 yrs ago & will not drive down there unless really have to!
Nancy Uren ~ By the time you drive all the way to the southbank to park your car and ride on this “system” you might as well just drive into downtown since you would be literally on the other side of the bridge, and traffic from that point isn’t that horrendous. The skyway is a joke because there are only a few stations and it is so dated at this point. A true joke.
Tannawannavannabit Tannawannavannabit true. When this was planned it sounded great cause they said it would go all over the city. The first leg was downtown then spread to the southside regency area. Move to the beaches. Go to Mandarin area than to Orange Park. The rub was that small 1/16TH of a mile cost the taxpayers billions and took a decade to build. We called it the train to nowhere cause it was built so short and in an area where not many wanted to go. You could literally walk faster from one station to the other.