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The Jacksonville Skyway: A Failed Transit Experiment
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- To be imminently replaced with another transit experiment that will probably also fail.
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The Miami system is a way bigger success for three reasons in my option:
1. Connects with the main train stations and bus terminals.
2. Runs from 5am to midnight everyday.
3. Goes to a ton of different neighborhoods that are culturally and economically connected.
I go from University of Miami in Coral Gables to Sunny Isles every once in a while and I always take it to get from Government center to Arsht bus terminal.
Yup, and when Tri-Rail serves MiamiCentral, it'll be another connection on top of the Brightline and Metrorail! A system that runs in a similar way to the Metromover is the Bukit Panjang LRT in Singapore, which serves 13 stations in the neighborhood of Bukit Panjang and parts of Choa Chu Kang with connections to the MRT North-South Line (and Jurong Region Line in 2027) at Choa Chu Kang and the Downtown Line at Bukit Panjang. Unlike the Metromover, the windows on the BP LRT are special because they fog up when it runs close to residential buildings, which was the result of complaints from residents.
Of the three people mover systems built for public transit in the US (Detroit, Jacksonville, and Miami), only the Miami system was fully built to it's orginal design length. Is it any wonder why the other two failed? They were never supposed to stay that short for very long. They are shorter than the minimumly permanently viable system.
@@zeroone8800 Isn't the Miami people mover in planning to expand to Miami Beach?
@@scpatl4nowYep and it will have 4 lines: Inner Loop,Omni Loop,Brickell Loop, and Beach Loop. There used to be a Outer Loop but in 1996 it got replaced by Brickell and Omni Loop
@@scpatl4now yes. The city originally had a proposal for someone, I don't recall whom, to build a monorail. But within a year I believe their cost estimate went from $600 million to $1.2 billion. So the Mayor of Miami said they are now planning to extend the Mover.
Jacksonville native here. No, they will not be replacing the transit system with autonomous pods. It’s currently in the planning phase. But just like every other project in downtown Jacksonville, it’ll fail. So those rails will slowly deteriorate and become abandoned until the end of time. Just like everything else in this sad, pathetic city.
Rather #JTA stops wasting time on these unproven low-floor (doesn't look high-floor that would be compatible with the existing #Skyway station platforms with minimal modifications) autonomous pods that can not only have technological problems but also, due to surface-running support plans, service problems where the streets could disrupt #Skyway services in more ways than if #Skyway remains fully grade separated. #JTA would be better off using funds more wisely in reverting the #Skyway back to being an APM system even if it means using a different yet globally proven APM/AGT system as seen not only in airports but also urban transit systems such as #metrotaipei's Brown line (#Alstom's VAL-compatible INNOVIA APM), #Singapore's LRTs (#Mitsubishi's Crystal Mover and #Alstom INNOVIA APM), #Tokyo's Yurikamome (#Mitsubishi Urbanismo) and Nippori-Toneri Liner, etc.
Agree but I have a fear they will actually make that DERP sculpture one day.
@@sickregret yeah I can see them wasting money on that while our schools and roads fall apart. You’re probably right.
Brighten up, things could be worse... Like, you could be living in Canada 😭
@@hilldoggydogg635 Canada has free health care…
I'm glad I'm not the only person who thinks the new replacement idea for the Skyway is ridiculous. Really wish they would just extend the current system to Riverside & Springfield rather than have autonomous "pods" come down to street level to serve those neighborhoods. There used to be more daily riders before COVID, which hit downtown really hard. Anyway, apparently Brightline has been in regular talks with JTA and some other folks to bring commuter rail to connect St. Johns county to Jax, and should be using the old Jacksonville Terminal railway station (now a convention center) that is right next the fancy new bus station.
I wish bright line would come to Jax, we would really benefit from it. I am not excited at all for those autonomous pods they seem scary and people can't even drive as it is
Also, had they maintained the original VAL APM system, IMO #JTA would've been able to expand and upgrade #Skyway to better serve existing and new riders over wasting funds for some new trending tech like consumer electronics easily upgradable within a few years. And yes, autonomous pods brought down to street level, not a good idea and goes back to the consumer electronics trend style fund-wasting. If #JTA really wants to maintain the driverless function, #JTA should prioritize reverting the system back to an APM system and building more #Metromover-style APM infrastructure.
They could also service neighborhoods further down like the Baymeadows area or mandarin. Or have a line that goes down to NAS Jax. But that would actually be useful!
I'm getting strong vibes of "I've sold monorails to Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook"
You are right
They tried to make it Homer proof, but nobody rides it anyway. D’oh!
The Simpsons should have had him start with Jacksonville. D'oh!
MONORAIL
Back when they put it out for bid, they got two companies with similar bids they could choose from. One was Disney, the other was a French company. They went with the French company, which has since gone out of business. That's the reason they can't get parts and fix the cars. I'm from Jax, and it's a pretty good snapshot of the geniuses we had in charge back then.
I’m not opposed to free transit. but it seems the only places to ever to have free transit have service worth the price.
Luxemburg has to be one of very few places with free public transport where the service is actually good if not very good. They are stupid rich however, so they can afford it.
Miami Metromover is also free too and Better than Jacksonville Skyway
@@bahnspotterEU The U.S. is super rich, also, but we have misplaced priorities.
Price is a signal for value. Free signals... ... ...
Come to chapel hill! We have free buses with one very pretty good line!
The elevator moved because you said hello to it! This is why it is very important to be friendly to the elevator and thank it! Here's some Jacksonville lore: In the 16th century, the beginning of the historical era, the region was inhabited by the Mocama, a coastal subgroup of the Timucua people. The St. Johns River was once called Welaka, or river of lakes, a name of Seminole-Creek origin. In 1562, French Huguenot settlers landed at the mouth of the St. Johns River and later established Fort Caroline. Then the Spanish invaded Fort Caroline in 1565, renaming it San Mateo to honor the saint whose feast followed the day they captured the river.
Later, the river was renamed Rio de San Juan after a mission near its mouth named San Juan del Puerto. The English translation of the name Rio de San Juan, St. Johns River, has lasted through English, Confederate and now today. In 1822, Jacksonville was named for Andrew Jackson. At the time, Jackson was the military governor of the Florida territory. Jacksonville became an official port of entry that year. Duval County was created that year as well from St. Johns County. It was named for William Pope Duval, who succeeded Jackson as Governor of Florida Territory from 1822 to 1834. Since then, the city has grown as a national logistics center.
And one day it will all belong to the true Korea. Thank you supreme leader.
@@JH-kk2it Supreme Leader is capitalized! You could be jailed for such disrespect! Beg for forgiveness
I bet no one outside of Florida knows that Jacksonville has more population than Orlando and Miami combined….
Wow you can really google well now can’t ya hahaha 😝
@@taylors4838 Never question my wealth of knowledge. I am all-knowing.
Ah yes, dots, peeling paint, flickering lights, sketchy elevators, and no vulgar language, a truly state of the art system. That Drake & Josh clip added in was stellar! I still can't believe both Josh Peck AND Devon Bostick/Rodrick Heffley were in Oppenheimer...what a timeline we're living in. The Skyway is a cute little guy! Up there with the Glasgow Subway, Princeton Dinky, and MTR Disneyland Resort Line. The announcements are just like AirTrain JFK! I too have been fascinated with monorail switches. There's a viral clip of Japanese monorail track switching from Osaka, and it's just so interesting to watch. I gotta give kudos to Jacksonville for having a Skyway station within their Transportation Authority headquarters as part of the transit center at LaVilla.
The rolling stock is Bombardier, but it wasn't always that way. They used to have rubber-wheeled vehicles designed by Matra. That changed in 1997 and the Matra ones were given to O'Hare for the ATS, which in turn were also replaced by Bombardier with the Innovia APM 256s. The bridge is called the Acosta Bridge, named after councilman St. Elmo W. Acosta. It was constructed in 1990 and opened in 1994. It replaced the St. Johns River Bridge that opened in 1921. It was replaced because not only was it old, but it was also a three-lane carrying lift bridge and thus got the nickname Yellow Monster because of the times it was upward.
I will someday stopped being surprised at the bizarre amount of overlap in our watch history. Today’s not that day. How does this keep happening, lol? 😂
A befitting memorial to Rosa Parks' legacy of having shitty experiences on public transit.
The only thing wrong with the skyway is it was never finished. It is so post to go to the stadiums, the hospital in riverside via 5 points, and shands.
I wish it did, there really no use to ride it unless you have to go to school or work near the stations
Came down here to say this. There's literally attractions like 2 miles away from this thing that attract thousands of visitors per week -- many of whom would LOVE to avoid Bay Street and stadium parking. They might even be able to charge actual money for the privilege of riding in it during those times!
Everything I know about Jacksonville comes from The Good Place, and this experience changes none of that understanding.
Making the Detroit People Mover look good is pretty impressive so congrats Jacksonville
Morgantown is fine too.
I guess their next trip is to Detroit.😊
A rare transit system that gives its riders an opportunity to bring a wii and a tv, plug them in, and play some Mario Kart while you're traveling. Just make sure you're not occupying more than one seat, that's against the code of conduct!
Lol
Jacksonvillian here, you actually went over my house in San Marco. You know how many times I’ve ridden the Skyway in the last 40 years? Just a handful. It goes nowhere. You can walk across all three bridges in the time it takes to wait for it to pick you up and take you in the right direction. Pretty much the only time it has any traffic is during events like Jazzfest. If they expanded the routes into Riverside, Springfield, Murray Hill, Ortega, or even Mandarin there would be a reason to take it. But Jax HATES public transportation, the only reason it still exists is because they spent so much money on it in the 80s. I still remember when my mother took me on it when it opened, what a waste.
It feels so weird watching somebody make a video in my city, especially just about the Skyway that nobody uses. Ty for the vid tho :)
Thank you for watching!
the fact that the skyway doesnt connect to any residential areas was always gonna be its biggest downfall, and the lack of regular weekend service also hurt it though conventions along the lines can put in a request for it to be operating on weekends but JTA requires an estimated passenger usage above 3000
What is sad that Jax use to have an extensive trolley system...but it got paved over for highways (which coincidentally happens to be in predominantly black neighborhood).
Thanks Robert Moses.
The system is reminiscent of the city as a whole, tragic.
You are not wrong my friend 😅😮😢😢
The Tampa Airport used to have a very similar system to this in the parking garage. I recall them having the same vehicles.
Yeah the Tampa Parking Monorail. It was replaced with a physical walkway 😩
A lot of airports have people movers, but only a few cities tried them for actual public transport.
The city of Jacksonville regularly ignored their engineers and screwed up. Failing to put in the promised parking lots for the Landing (lack of parking killed it), running the skyway to the stadium, landing, south bank, and convention center so it could help with Jaguar games and other major events (it goes nowhere), 3-laning 295 eastbound (they're having to do it now), fixing Liberty St (which would collapse into the river almost exactly when he said it would), and putting in parking garages downtown and connecting them to the Matthews, Hart, and Main St. bridges. Of all the things I was told about 4 of the 5 came to pass. 5th will never happen because it's too intelligent.
The program that built the Jacksonville monorail also built the Detroit People Mover and the Miami MetroMover. And only the Miami MetroMover is the only really effective one.
Actually recently got stuck on the Sky Way my first time.. very fun and interesting. One guy had to manually drive us back to James Weldon Johnson. Or here known as library stop. Luckily the two other passengers were calm and cool.
I feel like this transit system was Jacksonville's attempt to copy Miami's people-mover, but evidently it isn't anywhere near as decent. Also the train cars look like the ones on the EWR AirTrain
The whole "the cars may break at any moment" thing reminds me of the Moscow Monorail. It was built in 2004 and for the last few years there have been talks of closing the system down. It has only two trains in use and the repair parts for them are hard to come by. But the system sees a lot of use because it links metro lines 6 and 9 (nice) and Ostankino district (with the famous TV broadcasting center in it). The city plans to replace it with a tram.
EDIT: apparently they scrapped the tram idea and instead they are going to renovate the trains, make them more frequent and then develop new driverless trains. It's not set in stone yet though.
I mean "may break at any moment" is par for the course for just about any Russian vehicle
A tram? I think replacing it with a metro shuttle like the ones in New York City (Times Square to Grand Central, Franklin Avenue, and Rockaway) would be far better.
The Florida Special at Kings Ave. Buses pulling into Stations with no train service. Happens all over Orlando and makes sense in some points and no sense in others.
Kings Avenue Station is surrounded by tour attractions, and a large medical field. It helps connect people to jobs and other activites.
@@kendall8302 Street Stops can get that job done if transfers aren't happening.
@@kendall8302 the station is adjacent to the freeway and offices. Any notion that it's surrounded by "tourist attractions" is a mistake on your part.
You've gotten so much more of an NPR vibe and even physical look to you over the years. It suits you well.
Interesting!
I lived in Jacksonville for 12 years and I have only ever seen people actually use it for the large yearly jazz festival. The rest of the year it mainly serves as a moving homeless shelter since on some days it is free.
There's a great explainer for how we got there: ua-cam.com/video/P9BtN9qWhLY/v-deo.html
Summary: Jacksonville took so long in planning and building it that by the time it was done the population it was meant to serve moved away. Jacksonville could keep this running if they want. The technology was bought by Bombardier and eventually gave all the info to JTA for free for them to take to any company to make spare parts. There are cars from other former networks that they could also buy and refurbish. And the technology isn't really outdated, but nobody around wants to learn it. Everybody wants to waste money on new stuff.
Thanks. That video was very informative. Metro government strikes again. When the city starts to act to make it's core better, dilute their vote with the entire county of suburban voters to veto that.
It was always a bad idea. There's no population that moved away nor any amount of planning that would've changed anything. The technology by it's nature is very expensive and incapable of moving large volumes. It was a dumb thing to do and they people that did it don't have the decency to admit how dumb it was.
@@AllenGraetz Sorta like Las Vegas and cars in tubes a la Elon
I think it'd be a fun project to try and make work. You already have the infrastructure and facilities. It has some things going for it -- automation, already built, and -- if as you say -- they own the IP and can fix/make then the question is can you find a market. It sounds like, no.... and if that's the case they just gotta kill it but I'd be super curious.
The problem now is they'll just string it along until they have an excuse to kill it without much political blowback and will get hailed as heroes for "taking care of the blight."
preach!
This thing was built when I was 11, I've ridden it once in my life as a teenager just because a friend & I were downtown & wanted to see what it was about. For decades I have wished somebody would expand this thing to reach all corners of this huge city so the people that live here could actually use it. And we would, it would be so very helpful in such a large town with so little public transportation available. THIS is what Jacksonville needs BEFORE plans for a fancy new stadium and 4 star hotels are built. Something that actually helps the people that live and work here.
Thanks for this video
I lived in Jax back in 1995 and always wanted to ride that thing. In 1998 I took a job in Central FL working on EV's and I remember someone telling me that the Jax rail system was something that office workers used during lunch breaks as a place to go and eat lunch so they would be out of the weather. I don't know if that is true or not. I also remember that the original intension of the system was to act as a bridge between bus routs. I still wish I had ridden it back when I was in Jacksonville.
Similar story, born in Jax, moved away around '07. Begged my parents to ride it as a kid, they never let me. Never went for a ride as an adult either, wish I would have.
"autonomous pods" isn't that what this is 😭
Except more...podular.
10:02 By the way, Jacksonville is expected to get commuter rail and hopefully Brightline in the future. They're doing a TOD study for it now, and hoping to see progress on it in the future!
That's great to hear!
I'll believe it when I see.it😢😮😢
I wouldn't hold your breath on brightline in the next decade. Commuter rail is being used to draw them in because they have no desire to cone to jax
It's only the second or third over priced TOD study they've done in 10-15 years. This one was rumored to cost between $1-2M and the wife of the CEO of JTA, the transit agency, works high up at the company that did the latest study (or she's on the board). You can't make this s**t up. Jax run by a bunch of corrupt lunatics...
Don't forget the city's public and private leaders take all these trips all the time to "learn from" other cities. Charlotte has been on that dog and pony road show a few times. We have had every opportunity to try to replicate Charlotte's LYNX success.
But lo and behold we are just going to plow ahead with taxpayer money to do Skyway 2.0 with these autonomous pods that no other city is doing. So flipping stupid we are!
We don't need to be wasting money on that crap, so of course we probably will.
[Redacted] better not replace Aleena or your viewers will be very unhappy
Aleena and I are going on a trip this weekend...guess I should push whatever videos come from that up in the queue!
This is what I came through the fare gate for, thank you! Incredible.❤
Thank you!!
It's like a less cool version of the Morgantown PRT
I'm getting some heavy Detroit People Mover vibes from this. I'd assume the DPM carries more passengers, and when there's a sporting event downtown, a decent number of people will ride it before or after the game. But if you want to (a.) ride a monorail, (b.) that goes in circles, and (c.) only downtown, the Detroit People Mover is the train for you!
Hey, how about a series on the worst transit systems in the US? That could be fun and scary at the same time. Kind of like the equivalent of visiting abandoned amusement parks.😊
I love your new sidekick [ReDaCtEd - BlUrEd FaCe MiMi mImI MiMi]
I'm so incredibly happy to FINALLY see the long-awaited return of [REDACTED]!
Why are you going to Florida? That state doesn't deserve tourism dollars
What you hated on Florida for it a Good State
@@R262SubwayTrain Florida has great attractions, but the government is...another story
@@R262SubwayTrain As a native floridian this state is more akin to hell than good lmao. It has some nice places to visit and there are stuff that I think stands out about florida but there's a reason why the native floridian pastime is to make fun of our state and get embarrassed weekly when we show up in the news cause of government does something bad (beefing with disney as of recently)
@@holly5234 Bruh Yall have a Bad Government
This has really done wonders for my impressions of the Detroit People Mover now
[REDACTED] is nowhere near as popular as your Tribal King...
No one is as popular as our Tribal King!
You should go ride the PRT in Morgantown. I'm FASCINATED by that thing.
I did ride it pre-UA-cam! milesintransit.com/2019/03/24/service-change-transit-in-pittsburgh-and-morgantown-yes-that-morgantown/
@@MilesinTransit At the time that was considered a peak modern idea for city planning. Imagine if more of them had been built.
Wild. I've always wanted to ride it but my lawyer told me that it wasn't a very safe thing to do 😂.
This brings back memories in the early 2000s i took the skyway by myself (I was around 6 or 7 years old) something I would never forget and I'm pretty sure JSO Transit officer wouldn't either lol
Drinking Florida fountain water in a 40 year old train station sounds like free dysentery
You are so brave for that water fountain review
Nothing better than a transit Wednesday a miles and jetlag vid
jetlag the game uploaded? Can't be... They just finished the Japanese series...
@@Canleaf08 They're doing the nebula premiere of season 7 next friday! So it's on the way!!
I'm going to Jacksonville in September! Can't wait to check out the Jacksonville Skyway, the bizarre people mover system that opened in 1989. I hope it's not replaced by autonomous pods by then and that it holds up well.
Nah, the pods aren't happening 'til 2025 at the earliest!
but what if it breaks suddenly! Do you think they'd start to run surface buses in its absence?@@MilesinTransit
Eeee, probably...or just not run anything, honestly.
Great video. This makes the Miami's people mover look great by a long shot
It looks like maybe UA-cam deleted my comment for linking to my travel blog but…
What’s up Miles! My names Jerome, I met you on the bus in Albany today, while you were booking your Montreal trip!
Great to meet you, safe travels! I love your transit videos! Keep up the good work
It was great to meet you Jerome! Thanks for bearing with me while I was rebooking stuff!
Totally fine, it was only after I thought….I’ve been there, in some strange city, on the bus, 15 minutes from my destination, trying to book a hotel or a bus or something. I spend the time on transit booking the hotel before I show up to the city. What did you think of CDTA? It’s obviously not MTA, but I think it’s better than Syracuse or Rochester, I haven’t done Buffalo transit yet.
It really punches above its weight for a small system and does deserve its own video sometime! My only complaint is how hard it is to get a Navigator Card (which is the only way to get fares that are half-reasonable) but other than that, CDTA runs pretty frequent service with good coverage and nice buses!
@@MilesinTransitNavigator App CDTA, the students just swipe their high school or college ID, or you can buy and load a card at Price Chopper Groceries, but we all use the app. 1.30 per bus even the 2.00 express we took (905) and it caps at 3 rides, 3.90 per day.
They just spent a nice couple million redoing the BRT here, the new line opens in October.
And true story I have one of the only
2 trolley car poles in Albany a block from my house, it was left there since the 40’s.
Still standing, with the bar over the street, but no wires
@@MilesinTransitNavigator App CDTA, the students just swipe their high school or college ID, or you can buy and load a card at Price Chopper Groceries, but we all use the app. 1.30 per bus even the 2.00 express we took (905) and it caps at 3 rides, 3.90 per day.
They just spent a nice couple million redoing the BRT here, the new line opens in October.
And true story I have one of the only
2 trolley car poles in Albany a block from my house, it was left there since the 40’s.
Still standing, with the bar over the street, but no wires
Wow I'm suprised you went to Jax! When I was little the monorail was $1 to ride but it was mostly students and homeless people that rode it so they made it free. We used to ride it for fun sometimes, but now its just really sketchy and scary. They have been planning on tearing it down and replacing it with pods for like 2-3 years now. I'm suprised they are still running the monorails I didn't know and I live there lol
Thanks to this video, I rode this monorail last week.
One important thing to note: The yellow lines make a really horrible alarm go off when you step on them without a train there. One of the employees there yelled at me. Not my favorite transit system...
lived here 30 years, didn't even know this existed
Jacksonville resident and business owner here. I did not know this existed
I lived in Jacksonville for 15 years. The problem with the monorail system in Jax is not a lack in investment. Jacksonville is just too large for a monorail system. My family used to joke that if you wanted to go anywhere in Jax by car, it takes half an hour.
So many people are moving to Jacksonville Florida, you need good transportation system all over. Miami has the best system. Copy it!
😢without a car here, you won’t get to work!
I realize your whole thing is engaging with generally bad transit, but I’d love to see you do like, the exact same video with the yurikamome or something. :)
What’s with the pixelated guy? You should have brought Nathan.
Stop, you'll hurt [Redacted]'s feelings!
Rosa Parks Station is still in use with buses, but only with 3 lines ("BRT" Red line, 10, 19).
I LOVE GADGETBAHNS
I LOVE POLITICIANS AND TECHBROS MAKING USELESS MODES OF TRANSIT AS AN EXCUSE TO NOT IMPROVE OUR RAIL NETWORK
I hope this doesn't put cities off of making more public transit!! it seems like an interesting idea but poorly executed. as always, awesome vid!
Just replace the whole system with the REM-style trains. Yes, you will need to replace the entire "track", but will use existing technology that will be easier to maintain in the long run.
I wonder if they could rejigger it to use the Scarborough RT cars that are set to be junked when Toronto's odd elevated transit system is closed down?
Jacksonville's skyway was not engineered to support those sort of weights.
Or use AGT/APM trains that the original VAL guideways were designed for. E.g. #Mitsubishi Urbanismo, #Alstom INNOVIA APM, and Niigata Transys Co Ltd AGT.
I love seeing [REDACTED] in videos and in real life. He truly knows his stuff.
This reminds me of the Newark Airport Airtrain.
I went to one of the meeting where they announced the automatic pods. The Skyway was pitched as high tech, but then technology took a different path. So we’re stuck with these obsolete monorails. I’d take a better rail system that covers the whole city over the automatic pods they’re rolling out
This is the sibling to the Miami Metromover. Which you should check out. I’m moving to Miami next month and the metromover will be part of my commute
Too bad the #Skyway is not using the original VAL people mover system anymore because IMO someone corrupted the #JTA into joining the monorail bandwagon that didn't really provide much more benefits to the #Skyway than the original VAL system since the Monorail infrastructure is sitting on top of the original VAL guideways which still cast the same amount of shadow below like when it was still a VAL system.
I used to work on the team developing the "pods" that will replace the Skyway. Yes, pods are weird and untested. Rail would've been better. BUT. The reason why the JTA went with pods is financial. 1) The FTA funded the Skway back in the 80s, and will not let it be demolished outright. So, the JTA has to use the guideway for something. 2) Research & Development Grants. The federal gov't has a fund for transit projects that use new, untested, innovative tech. So, by using "pods" on their Skyway, the JTA is getting three birds with one stone. Meeting the FTA's requirement that they keep the guideway, tapping into a unique pool of federal transit funding for R&D projects, and updating the obviously useless Skyway.
So yea, pods don't make sense until you look at it from a federal funding/constraints lens. The JTA knows that rail/buses would be better, they know that AVs are a major risk, but with the money available, and under these constraints, "why not." We'll see if the project launches like it's slated to in 2025, I won't hold my breath
This is a really insightful comment - I can't say I've ever seen a good reason for pods but this has got to be the closest thing to one
Perfect example that the federal funding system is still profoundly flawed.
Anyway, they maybe could have used a VAL or NeoVAL / CityVAL system on the elevated guudeway to replace current system. And to expand it.
But given the funding scheme you've explained, it sadly couldn't happen.
@@KyrilPG or an Alstom Innovia, or a Hitachi CrystalMover
@@asdaneedsfunds Innovia and CrystalMover in classic APM version are much less city / public transit oriented.
The VAL / NeoVAL / CityVAL lines move hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people daily in cities.
The Alstom monorail Innovia for city transit is a good solution too but I'm not sure about the width.
The thing with VAL based systems is that it can run at super high frequencies of 60 seconds per track.
Thank you for this great comment, Sammy! It's a phrase I try to avoid because it's gotten trite at this point, but this is the definition of a policy failure...it sucks that they're making all these terrible decisions just because it's what government policy dictates is the most financially viable! Why do we even have a fund for untested tech to begin with? Let's just have a fund for, like, normal stuff...
The last stop across the river is right across the street from the Lexington Hotel & Conference Center, which is where I stayed occasionally when work took me there. Anytime I was in JAX I always took the monorail because it's just so... weird. The first time I stayed there I didn't know there was a monorail until I saw one go by outside my window and I thought "wtf is that??" Glad I got to take it before it's gone.
Florida has such an unsettling vibe
lived in jax all my life and didn't even realize we had one of these until like last year
Everytime I hear your new credit song I get tempted to drop everything and move to the east coast to start a ska band with jackson
He did such a good job with it!
The problem is, the skyway runs along downtown... The traffic problem is GETTING to downtown in the first place.
Very Excited for *&$%#@ Progression on the channel. #KEEPTHESKYWAY
Wheel: falls off
Driver: I guess this is it.
The Information Guy. Hahaha! I was waiting for the interview.
You're in a Johnny Cab. "How did I get here?". The door opened, you got in. Tsk, tsk!
The Jacksonville transit center is conveniently adjacent to the FEC tracks meaning it’s a future spot for a Brightline station to St Augustine and points further south
Thank you so much! Yeah, it's a really good transit center, despite the other follies of the JTA...
If Brightline is looking to make money off of real estate, they wouldn't go to the old union station since now of that is in play for them for ownership and development. Also, they don't have rights to run on CSX. IIRC FEC tracks end when they first get to the north side of the St Johns. If that's the case Brightline would need to come to agreement for operations with them, too.
If Brightline ever comes this way, don't be surprised if they plop down a station in northern St John's County and call it their Jacksonville stop.
This and the REM video back to back is quite the contrast.
Kings Ave Lot is busiest as parking for events at Everbank Stadium and getting shuttle buses to and from... They intention is to run those pods down Bay St to sports complex... I remember it only came because US Govt offered money in 80s for transit and people assumed there would be extensions that never came... I remember bringing my now 40+ children downtown to ride...
Dude literally just summed up dirty Duvall in one video "cool to see them planning for something they're going to destroy" That should be Jacksonville's motto😂😂😂
I hope we get to see more of [redacted]
I lived there for a little while also and knew the system existed but never used it. I do believe it was supposed to be extended into a larger system. I mostly rode the buses.
This skyway used to operate on weekends. I remember riding it while attending weekend events in Jacksonville years ago. At that time it ran pretty frequently and had more cars. Interesting that it's now weekdays-only. I wonder when weekend service was lost. I think the Orlando rail system is also weekdays-only, which is why I haven't yet driven 90 miles to Orlando to ride it. Would love to see a trip report of the Tampa Bay area bus, streetcar, and airport rail system routes. Maybe see how far north one could even go on local buses from Wimauma, FL toward Brooksville, FL. I picked Wimauma as potential southern starting point because Bradenton has no local buses that head north toward the Tampa area.
SunRail runs indeed only on weekdays. It's terrible, because why should trains run on weekends in the tourist capital of the world?
Jacksonville native here: the Skyway actually was a good idea let down by a useless route. It famously goes “from nowhere, to nowhere”. For years, residents begged the city to extend the route to the NFL stadium, but it never happened for some reason.
Still outlived the Las Colinas People mover in Texas.
Wait, I was there when the section that passes over Prudential Dr in Jax was being built. I remember it clearly because I worked in the building right next to it. They got paint overspray on every car in our large parking lot and had to pay out to each of us. The earliest that could have occurred was 96. I am positive. Could have been maybe 98ish? Nothing was even running on it then, because the whole rail system was being constructed. Please look into it
Was this just an addition to another section that has existed since many years b4?
as a citizen of jacksonville, those people are very much also citizens of jacksonville
What they are replacing it with is even odder. Especially the portions that will be in mixed traffic.
Jacksonville is a great city. Lots of potential.
I vote for a 30K subscriber live stream special... Full ride on the Jacksonville Skyway featuring Jackson
Jeez, that reminds me I still gotta do 20K and 25K...
@@MilesinTransit Rate monorail systems for 20K!
It reminds me of the monorail in Vegas, but shrunk down, and actual front window views.
I think one of the biggest things a transit system like this needs is to wait for projects like The Emerald Trail to be completed. The road is dominated by cars. If you want foot traffic on a monorail, you need foot traffic *in general*. Only after a more robust pedestrian system is established will we see these things used in a decent volume.
Honestly I think the whole city is scuffed.
Ah yes the transit network that is useless enough to not even be noticed by most people who go to jacksonville, atleast here in Miami we got the wacky metromover/peoplemover but atleast that is actually useful for getting around downtown and is also free if you ever want to explore a wacky florida transit system that atleast works. Doesn't really matter sadly considering Jacksonville since the 50s has been destroyed by highways and development, at this point I kinda just want to see what the pods will do, its such a Jacksonville thing to do but maybe it'll work for being just insane enough for Florida
balls gaming agree
True, the Metromover is much bigger and connects to more stuff like Brightline and Tri-Rail (when Tri-Rail begins MiamiCentral service). Not to mention all the development that popped up because of it. Though I'd say South Florida is Greater Cuba 😂
Most of Metromover's ridership benefits from that fact that the MetroRail (their El Train) doesnt directly serve Downtown like the Mover does. Theres also talk of extending the mover into Miami Beach which frankly needs it.
This does remind me of the Miami system. But it does not connect with a heavy rail line that serves other areas. It also does not seem to serve the downtown area where there would be more demand. Whatever they do with this system let’s hope they plan it better to serve more areas that will provide traffic for the system and make it a useful grade separated higher speed than busses service.
The guy who wasn't alive in the 1950s is certain that modern Jacksonville w/ 1.5 million people in the metro is "destoryed" compared to those 1950s.
Insane how bad this system is now. Florida loved these APM systems.
Why does Jacksonville seem like such a depressing city when compared to Tampa, Miami or even Orlando?
Because it is. It didn’t used to be. Idk what happened
"Let's install a monorail and not have it go anywhere!"
I actually subscribed to you by complete accident, probably missclicked somewhere, but I find this content so entertaining that I’m just gonna stay subscribed 👍
Haha, good to hear! Thank you!
when i was little, my mom used to take me on that just for the ride cause i liked trains. Sad to hear its gonna be shut down
This thing looks like someone tried to make the Disney monorail into an actual transit thing