Ex-Mormons Discuss Duggar Family Cult (Documentary Review)

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  • @shul-be
    @shul-be Рік тому +42

    It is soooooo true that Mormonism parentified the children, but especially the girls. When ward members found out I was pregnant with a girl, they would say, “Congratulations, now you’ll have a built in babysitter.” Makes me sick to think about.

  • @anneroth672
    @anneroth672 Рік тому +34

    I was parentified at 12 and it absolutely stole my childhood. I basically became a teen mom. Grew up Mormon

    • @grandmaroxie2210
      @grandmaroxie2210 Рік тому +4

      That is what I see, mothers are off doing their callings,and girls are left home carring for younger siblings. The girl has no authority, however. When mom gets home, the girl is made to feel inferior and can not make the children mind.

    • @savannahsmiles1797
      @savannahsmiles1797 Рік тому +2

      @@grandmaroxie2210 off doing their callings and if daddy hasn't any attention as a man, he goes for his kids...this is NOT unusual at all...

    • @katiebishop7773
      @katiebishop7773 11 місяців тому +1

      I was the youngest, so I didn't have this problem, but i remember hating going over to play at my friend's house because at 11 she was basically raising her baby sister. We constantly were stuck with the baby.

    • @DarkFire1536
      @DarkFire1536 10 місяців тому

      I am sorry that your childhood was stolen from you. My sister , brother and I were adopted because my mom couldn't have her own biological children. I often wondered if she and my dad would have had many children if she could have.
      My sister and I both decided that we wouldn't have more kids than we could handle ourselves. We always speculated that it must be difficult for parents with that many children to have quality , one-on-one time with they kids.
      I have also observed, that a lot of the kids in these enormous families, are not very well behaved, especially at church.

    • @rubytuesday1316
      @rubytuesday1316 6 місяців тому

      Yes! SLC UT! Famous question of the day "Whats your posterity number" ?? So sad! Women were meant for br**ding. Great Gma 14 yrs. Gma 17 yrs Momma 18 yrs Myself 16 yrs. ~ 5 gen family pics are almost sad

  • @pharynx007
    @pharynx007 Рік тому +18

    i'm the youngest of four children, and i have almost no relationship with my parents because i had to basically raise myself. i taught myself to ride a bike, i taught myself how to swim, i did all of my own laundry from like age 6 on. even once my siblings moved out, i was basically on my own. it seemed like my parents were just over raising kids by time i came around, and had no interest in knowing me as a person.
    i'm 36 now, and still have basically no relationship with my parents.

    • @savannahsmiles1797
      @savannahsmiles1797 Рік тому +3

      I went to college with a Mennonite gal...19 kids in their family. She had NO relationship with her parents as they spoke only German. She was in the middle and was parented by her siblings who spoke only English. She said she didn't count at all. Was just another hand to do chores.

    • @bflogal18
      @bflogal18 Рік тому +3

      Your story is heartbreaking. I hope you have found people who love you.

    • @pharynx007
      @pharynx007 Рік тому +1

      @@bflogal18 ha. Probably?
      But i have social anxiety and I'm single, so I'm pretty sure everyone actually hates me, and only tolerates my presence.
      But i know that is also most likely not true, but i can't say for sure. 😅

  • @happiests.a.h.d3901
    @happiests.a.h.d3901 Рік тому +27

    Just wanted to say thank you for helping me find the courage to turn in my resignation. 🙂

    • @ExmoLex
      @ExmoLex  Рік тому +3

      Wow, that is amazing! Happy for you ♥️♥️

  • @Rascilon25
    @Rascilon25 Рік тому +22

    Your channel has been so helpful in untangling my PTSD from being Mormon. I am gen-X so I didn't have these kinds of resources when I separated from the church. Thank you!

    • @rubytuesday1316
      @rubytuesday1316 6 місяців тому +1

      Right? So alone - Like sneaking out at night for drugs when in fact it was christian class in secret - I was punished more severe as well. My name and LD$s number removed 15 yrs ago.

  • @karlenekrause6210
    @karlenekrause6210 Рік тому +39

    Parentification is HUGE in the mormon church, it's difficult for a mother to actually nurture 6 plus children on her own. I know tons of moms who had big families who made their oldest kids take care of their younger siblings. I only had 2 younger siblings and I was often left in charge of them from a very young age, because my mom was so busy doing her church callings. My cousin was totally in charge of all of her younger siblings and she was the oldest of 6.

    • @the_bearer_of_truth00
      @the_bearer_of_truth00 Рік тому +8

      So true! I have 6 younger siblings and I only just recently realized through therapy that I feel like my childhood was robbed from me because so much of my time was spent watching my siblings or chaufferring them, even if my dad was available. I'd have to cancel my own plans because my parents had some that I didn't know about.

    • @laycie_mnm
      @laycie_mnm Рік тому +8

      Yup. I went from mothering my siblings (oldest of 7) straight into mothering my own children. I had to grow up real quick! Been doing a lot of re-parenting work with my inner child who didn't get a childhood.

    • @stregalilith
      @stregalilith Рік тому +5

      Keeping young women too busy with children to have the time, energy and bandwidth to give attention to their own needs, hopes and dreams is a terrible sin against their souls. It raises them to be totally unprepared to discover a livelihood that would be their intellectual and spiritual fulfillment and provide them a way to earn a decent living for themselves and the children they will have when they're at an age when they know who they are and what they really want.

    • @DarkFire1536
      @DarkFire1536 10 місяців тому

      Have a bunch of kids, but also dedicate as much time as you possibly can to your church callings. Yeah, that makes sense. 😅

    • @DarkFire1536
      @DarkFire1536 10 місяців тому

      ​@@stregalilithwell said.

  • @SavannahBakly
    @SavannahBakly Рік тому +32

    I just recently exited the Mormon church. One of our active friends in the church lost his home recently, and him and his girlfriend desperately needed shelter, food, and water.
    They went to the bishop to plead for any help that they could get. They only asked for a hotel room for just one night. The bishop refused to help them. He said that he could not help them because the girlfriend was a non member and he could not help them out because of it.
    Our friend turned to us for help and unfortunately at the time, we had given up any extra spending money to the church for tithing. So we could not help our friend as much as we would have liked to because our extra money was being given to the church. Who in turn would not use our money to help a desperately struggling member. I was furious. From that point on things in the church quickly started to fall apart for me. I started to see the toxicity and greed that goes on in the church. People are treated like numbers.
    To wrap up the story, the bishop’s solution to our friends’ problem was to get married, so that the church can be allowed to provide charitable resources. In my opinion, that is super fucked up.
    On a happier note, I’m so glad I found your channel, it is going to help me a lot in this healing process transitioning out of a cult. Thank you so much for all you do❤

    • @sarawillett7431
      @sarawillett7431 Рік тому +7

      That’s crazy they said no, even just on a human level. But what about charity, they give charity to ppl who aren’t members don’t they? So why in this situation couldn’t they? The bishop prob thought he was doing the right thing cause she might convert & that would save her. Ironically she’d be more likely to convert if they did help. What a bad first impression he made.

    • @sharonchandler4185
      @sharonchandler4185 Рік тому +10

      @@sarawillett7431 I was refused a little help, many times after I was hit by a car. Bad injuries, lost my job working for a Mormon, starved, sick, desperate, lost my belongings to try to eat, more sickness, lost my apartment, travelled on train and by hitchhiking across the continent to ask my former (and current) roommate for a couch to sleep on and some bits of food....and the bishop and stake president, whom I knew well, all said no. Even knowing the times that I'd made food, fed missionaries, working at cleaning the church....and knowing the times I'd gotten hungry. Do you know how painful it is to have to wait till after 3am, crawl into the dumpsters at the grocery store....one fine night, three rat bites on my foot and leg....laid on my futon for 12 days, as the infection grew. No doctor, couldn't afford it. A Catholic woman across the street paid for me to see my doctor. A bit painful, had to crawl over the rocks and glass in the parking lot to get in her car...I could go on, but telling you this much has me in bitter tears. I'm back near home, safe, fed. Poor as hell, but safe. Never get a rat bite.....shots to fight off rabies are no fun. Weeping. Thank you for the question, I hope it was okay for me to answer your post...Sharon, an exmo.

    • @the_bearer_of_truth00
      @the_bearer_of_truth00 Рік тому +5

      Thats a terrible story, but I'm glad you're out! You're going to love this channel, lexi and her husband have a great way with words

    • @squeakybb
      @squeakybb Рік тому +4

      They have a really good talent for watching others suffer and blaming the suffer for their suffering. Welcome to the outside, coffee is so much fun, and teas are delicious! Pace yourself, be kind and understanding to yourself 🥰❤

    • @c471
      @c471 Рік тому +3

      @sharonchandler4185 I am so sorry you went through that! I wish you hope and healing. You are so strong.

  • @LauraOttawa
    @LauraOttawa Рік тому +10

    I think the real reason why The Simpsons would have been forbidden was that the show pointed out the absurdity of religion

  • @mommyofkittens4809
    @mommyofkittens4809 Рік тому +36

    Paul and Morgan had a response video and it was pretty much a temper tantrum.

    • @ExmoLex
      @ExmoLex  Рік тому +15

      This makes me happy to know, thanks 😂

    • @maurice2572
      @maurice2572 Рік тому +13

      @@ExmoLex They even had a response video responding to their response video (because people in the comments DESTROYED them). It was hilarious!

    • @Alyse_bell
      @Alyse_bell Рік тому +8

      @@ExmoLex they made it seem like they were lied to about what the documentary was meant to be about. Paul whined that they should have shown the other side of Christianity, which wasn’t what the documentary was about. Basically they were pissed that they used 3 minutes of footage after being interviewed for four hours. They also dismissed they victims

    • @timnewman1172
      @timnewman1172 Рік тому +6

      Jordan & McKay covered this, it is excellent...

    • @nedsanders
      @nedsanders Рік тому +6

      Paul & Morgan are narcissistic and ridiculous. The show was about the victims and their experiences. When Paul learns that the world doesn't revolve around him he may start to realize that he needs to be a better person.

  • @laurawonka-hardisty83
    @laurawonka-hardisty83 Рік тому +29

    Definitely do more cults and linking them to their mormon commonalities!
    Also, this video was NOT long! As I've said before, I could listen to you guys for hours!
    Thanks for all you do!❤

  • @debbiefodor7088
    @debbiefodor7088 Рік тому +8

    As a teen in the 1970s and 1980s ‘Worthy music, worthy thoughts’ was rammed down our throats and we had youth fireside’s dedicated to teaching us the evils of popular music. And as a woman I heard much talk about couples having as many children as they could so that as many spirits as possible were born into faithful LDS families. When you mentioned interesting names of kids in the cult in New Zealand, I was always aghast when I heard Mormon families in Australia naming their kids Nephi or Lehi or Moroni and other such names associated with Mormon history. Who would want to be saddled with a name like that for life?

  • @mikeseewooddesigns
    @mikeseewooddesigns Рік тому +7

    I also recently watch the series. "IBLP is Mormonism on steroids" is an accurate statement. It's like Mormonism to the extreme level. They both have many of the same foundational theories, IBLP just takes the idea further. As an ex-mo, I was not surprised at some of the show. My wife (non-mo) was completely taken back by some of the stuff in the show. Great breakdown of the series!

  • @elizabethgrogan8553
    @elizabethgrogan8553 Рік тому +18

    I was fascinated by the show. The IBLP was a train wreck. They have covered up so many cases of Child SA, including Josh Duggar. He's currently spending 12 years. I can see.the mormon church has a lot of IBLP principles in their church. The U.S.A. has given the freedom for any fool to start a religion or cult. Why Scientology has tax exempt status is beyond comprehension.

  • @wildlyshy9885
    @wildlyshy9885 Рік тому +6

    I recently saw this Shiny Happy People show and instantly thought of the Mormon church. Thanks for doing this video!

  • @jmboyd65
    @jmboyd65 Рік тому +6

    I wasn't raised particularly religious (supposedly we were Methodist?). We never went to church, ever. But I am the youngest of 9, and my parents completely parentified my older sister into raising me. To this day (I'm 58, she's 66) we both hold resentment toward each other. We have tried to reconcile, but the animosity is just too great. She was robbed of a childhood, and I was robbed of parents who actually gave a shit about me. When my sister moved out at 18, I basically raised myself from then on. My mother was a narcissist and my father just worked all the time to avoid us. I mean, tbh, the fact that I'm still walking and talking is a testament to either some kind of inner strength or just plain luck.

  • @zethcrownett2946
    @zethcrownett2946 Рік тому +6

    I like hearing more about other cults because it helps me unravel more of what i was raised in.

  • @GoingApeCostume
    @GoingApeCostume Рік тому +21

    I loved the show! It appealed to my frugal nature even as a former Mormon. But that only lasted so long. Not just the religious bubble, repression, and the political overreach, but knowing that someday those kids would grow up and the pain would manifest in all kinds of destructive ways. I feel for Anna.
    My own husband the second child of his mother in father, having an older sister. They divorced when he was an infant. Some years later Dad remarried and they quickly started to have a litter of children. He was given to grandma to raise but the older sister was kept. You see, she could change diapers and babysit. Made her useful in their willful poverty.

  • @Jill-ih9dq
    @Jill-ih9dq Рік тому +6

    I remember a sunday school lesson when I was probably in senior primary in which the teacher drew the umbrella of authority on the chalkboard. Odd how something as theoretically far removed from Mormonism as the IBLP shared so much in common.

  • @sharonkranz2517
    @sharonkranz2517 Рік тому +7

    The Duggar parents also insisted they be on every Ftime call and group chats when texting with the person they were courting and/or engaged to. So incredibly controlling.

  • @DarkFire1536
    @DarkFire1536 10 місяців тому +3

    I felt so sorry for the Duggar daughter that experienced her baby sister have a seizure while she was caring for her. Take goodness, her grandmother was there.

  • @ActualLiliCakes
    @ActualLiliCakes Рік тому +9

    Some of the show was a tiny bit triggering because it was reminiscent of my Mormon family and the religious trauma over all that. There was so much similar.

  • @oliviawolcott8351
    @oliviawolcott8351 Рік тому +6

    I realized that teaching sex (or anything that involves consent really) makes it harder for these high control groups to control you. because if you understand autonomy and consent, a lot of the things they teach you could just say I'm uncomfortable with this and set a boundary or just say I don't think this belief is right.

  • @bl3343
    @bl3343 Рік тому +4

    It's funny: my mom didn't grow up in the church, so she was more relaxed than me about rules. I was the joy kill in the family saying we shouldn't do this or that, because it was ingrained in me at a young age from the church. I remember one time refusing to watch Independence Day with LDS friends even though I had my mom's permission, because I was convinced that PG-13 was "not faith promoting".

  • @tiiatuuli339
    @tiiatuuli339 Рік тому +6

    I´m exJW and for my dad (he was an elder, thats like a priest, so he should follow all the rules) Harry Potter was fine, I was even watching with most of the movies with him. But then Smurfs were totally forbidden, cos there were urband legend about them, how smuf dolls were attact to JW kid, that loved smurfs more than Jehovah and faking sick that kid could skip meetings. I know, silly thing but there were other stories like demons hiding inside old furnitures, and attact to JWs, thats why many JWs used to buy only new furnitures, not used ones. 😂🤣😂Its great I can make humor form my past, most of stuff was really sad and hurtful.

  • @austinhulick7472
    @austinhulick7472 Рік тому +9

    what is up with the mom being so strict with the church and the dad being more chill about it? that was the story of my childhood which was bull because we were also told that when dad gets home thats when punishments happen. when I actually look back punishments from my mother were always far worse than what my father would ever do. half the time my father would just look at situation and go "well he is 9"

    • @squeakybb
      @squeakybb Рік тому +1

      I had the same experience! My mom is hyper orthodox Mormon my whole life, like she screamed at me a whole car ride home from a friends house because I drank earl grey tea. My dad, couldn’t care less. I’m not contact with my mom now.

  • @billybobbyandjoey4827
    @billybobbyandjoey4827 Рік тому +4

    You should do a review of the flds documentary ‘Keep Sweet.’ I watched that one with my TBM family and it was crazy. Also kind of awkward for me to see them watch it and try to defend the mormon church.

  • @downy1202
    @downy1202 Рік тому +3

    Loved your review of SHP. Haven’t heard of glory avail. I also watch Ex-MO’s Jordan and McKay and Fundie Fridays (Jen was on SHP). I wouldn’t give Paul and Morgan a second of my time but I do see them when watching the two vloggers above. They were pissed about their part in the documentary. It was hilarious.
    The IBLP is scary and I feel for the women and children there as well as the IFB and LDS as well. Can’t forget the JW’s. Sheesh.
    Keep up the good work! Always love your content!

  • @sarawillett7431
    @sarawillett7431 Рік тому +12

    It’s hard to know if the religion is creating the pervs or if the pervs go into it knowing it’s a place to have access to kids. In Josh duggars case I think the religion, I wouldn’t say created it I think it has to be there, but it helped to bring it out, it’s a perfect storm. For other places like the Catholic Church I think a lot of ppl started going into that organization knowing they could have access that was easy & unquestioned.

    • @squeakybb
      @squeakybb Рік тому +2

      I agree, they gravitate to the environment with easy access to victims and rely on the organization to keep them safe.

    • @JP-JustSayin
      @JP-JustSayin Рік тому +1

      Yes and... the denominations that invoke Jesus essentially have "escape accountability for your misdeeds" as the core of their pitch ... so there is that. 🙃

    • @GoingApeCostume
      @GoingApeCostume Рік тому

      When your first associations with sexuality come hand in hand with your family and culture teaching you shame, any arousal causes shame and shame becomes a vehicle for arousal. Purity culture creates pervs that way.

  • @janhankins911
    @janhankins911 Рік тому +8

    The whole issue of a lot of children really isn't confined to just a few religions. My mother (born in 1921, so many years ago) was one if 16 children. She was from a family in a small town in southern Virginia and the only church around was Southern Baptist. I think a lot of the issue (at least back then) was lack of access to birth control and just plain ignorance. I know my mom was charged with taking care of younger siblings. As a result of my grandmother having so many children, I always felt I missed out on a grandmother. To her, I was just one of many grandchildren and nothing special. I don't even know if she knew my name.

    • @silver474
      @silver474 Рік тому

      I had a family (Mormon) live close to us in the 2000’s that had 13 children. They refused birth control because that’s not gods will.. it was a mess. One if the kids got hit by a car. They were all over the neighborhood.

  • @Stacy_AtHomeMom
    @Stacy_AtHomeMom Рік тому +4

    I am curious to know why Mormons can watch these types of shows and documentaries and see how crazy these cults are, and yet not see the similarities with the LDS church. I watched "Going Clear" with my mormon inlaws and they thought Scientology was insane, but they couldn't see it. So sad.

    • @nomollyshere
      @nomollyshere Рік тому +2

      Because they don’t want to🙄also the programming of “we have the fullness of the gospel” is hard to ignore. I’ve just left and unlearning this crap is a lot and not everyone can handle that.

    • @sjenson6694
      @sjenson6694 Рік тому

      Do they know about the second annointing? The vast majority who got it were rich and basically bought themselves 'clear'.. most Mormons don't know about it though.. or really anything about the history or provable criticisms they spent their lives avoiding learning about.

    • @nomollyshere
      @nomollyshere Рік тому

      @@sjenson6694 I didn’t know about the 2nd anointing til I left and started watching channels like this! 🤦🏻‍♀️🤯it reminds me of tributes paid to the Catholic Church during medieval times to be forgiven of any sins committed.

    • @Stacy_AtHomeMom
      @Stacy_AtHomeMom 11 місяців тому

      I have tried many times to gently bring up controversial topics within Mormonism, only to have them all labeled as false. I just got to a point of accepting that they are so brainwashed that I can't get through to them.

  • @sleepycalico
    @sleepycalico Рік тому +4

    I would love to hear about Gloriavale. I can't watch it. Thanks!
    Edit: Oh, wait. I just read a book excerpt by an escapee, and it's way too violent for me. 😵‍💫

    • @laycie_mnm
      @laycie_mnm Рік тому +2

      I tried to watch Gloriavale but couldn't finish it. SOOO cringe and triggery. I was surprised by how many parts of it reminded me of growing up mormon even though their cult is WAY more extreme.

  • @adrianmerrall
    @adrianmerrall 11 місяців тому +1

    Coincidence - the head of Gloriavale has been charged with alleged sex offences spanning 23 years against 10 victims

  • @CRASSMAN69
    @CRASSMAN69 Рік тому +7

    Brendan, your beard is breathtaking.

  • @laurenarnel6340
    @laurenarnel6340 Рік тому +2

    would love to see a video on the New Zealand cult documentary

  • @MCKevin289
    @MCKevin289 11 місяців тому +1

    Makes me realize I dodged a bullet being raised Catholic instead of Mormon or the evangelical cult, which is something I never thought I’d say😅

  • @lisawyatt1671
    @lisawyatt1671 Рік тому +2

    Whoa! I just watched Shiny Happy People. I have to say I can resonate with more rather than less when it comes to the teachings in Mormonism vs Happy Shiny People. Once you study cults you realize more of the world has been a part of one or is currently a part of one and doesn't know it. I am learning that religion and government is one huge cult collaboration!You would be amazed how many cults meet at the white house consulting with government. Government leaders promise to save you from the depths of darkness if you follow "them," it is fear based, taxes are forced tithing and the true leaders pit everyone against each other which gives them power over all.

  • @catherinecooper8370
    @catherinecooper8370 Рік тому +4

    AA and 12 step is another cult.

  • @Mommadragon1976
    @Mommadragon1976 Рік тому +4

    Yes! More reviews please! You guys make it it super funny and interesting. 😂❤

  • @georgewoodland1766
    @georgewoodland1766 11 місяців тому +1

    I always laughed at the young Mormon boys being called “Elders”.

  • @allisoneuph1
    @allisoneuph1 Рік тому +2

    I grew up under the evangelical leader James Dobson. There are so many similarities. Love your reaction

  • @annehersey9895
    @annehersey9895 11 місяців тому

    Oh Lexi, what a journey you and Brendon have been on together since you opened your eyes and left the church! I'm so glad you two were on the same page with this. How horrible it would have been for your spouse and children if only one of you left the church-your marriage probably would not have survived. And you are doing it the right way-through self-education. I am so proud of you two and people who will benefit the absolute most from your journey are your precious children! Good luck on continued explorations and I am rooting for you guys!

  • @rhondadearborn3265
    @rhondadearborn3265 Рік тому +3

    I believe the kids watching kids is common with FLDS

  • @Athenral
    @Athenral Рік тому +3

    I grew up in a Southern Baptist church and I saw that identical umbrella picture constantly.
    IMO IBLP isn't the problem so much as fundamentalist Christianity is.

  • @jenniebackman
    @jenniebackman Рік тому +4

    The docomentary Mormon no More is really nice

  • @kellyann7561
    @kellyann7561 10 місяців тому

    You two are awesome together! Thank you for sharing insight on cults. So helpful!

  • @DanielJesseLife
    @DanielJesseLife Рік тому +1

    I watched that documentary recently also. And there were so many things that rhymed with Mormonisim. Very intriguing.

  • @llpolluxll
    @llpolluxll Рік тому +3

    The umbrella of authority thing is something that Telltale was talking about and is taught by Jehovas Witnesses. I grew up mormon and I don't really remember anything about an 'umbrella' but I was taught a chain of authority that was similar.

    • @GLCToni
      @GLCToni Рік тому

      That concept (and the drawing) is common in all fundamentalist christian denominations. The Southerm Baptists are big proponents, which is why they voted to expel churches with female pastors. In their way of thinking, the women are trying to climb up to a level they are not allowed, and they would be lead astray because they are not "under the covering."

  • @prestonflatt
    @prestonflatt 11 місяців тому

    They used to have a program called "M Men and Gleaners". Hahaha. That name always cracked me up!

  • @emmahill2973
    @emmahill2973 Рік тому +2

    I remember the umbrella thing vaguely something about the preisthood being the umbrella protecting us as women and it’s the it better to be under the umbrella and not be the umbrella something like us to try to convince young women we didn’t need the priesthood.

  • @DarkFire1536
    @DarkFire1536 10 місяців тому

    I remember when I was first married, we were friends with another young couple in our ward. The wife once told me, "I wish so-and-so' daughters wouldn't dress so immodestly at church. It makes it very difficult for my husband to focus during Sacrament Meeting. 😅

  • @SarutaValentine
    @SarutaValentine Рік тому +1

    I would love to see you guys talk about the Mormon play that came out several years ago that was making fun of missionaries

  • @sapakisplatt637
    @sapakisplatt637 Рік тому +1

    Oh man! I forgot about the umbrella of authority! So crazy!

  • @jy285
    @jy285 Рік тому +2

    Great stuff! I like hearing about the documentary from you rather than watching it myself 😉

  • @philw4025
    @philw4025 Рік тому

    The next pet you all get is just going to be "Steady StandTrue" won't it?
    And not raised IBLP, but holy cow so much of it resonates with my Baptist upbringing, including the diagram you showed early on there.

  • @silver474
    @silver474 Рік тому +2

    I definitely saw the umbrella diagram. I think I saw it sometime in young women’s.

  • @200_IM
    @200_IM Місяць тому

    I was taught the umbrella.
    Sometimes we were allowed to play with cards, but face cards were evil. Something to do with the symbolism.

  • @matthewshaw6228
    @matthewshaw6228 Рік тому +2

    I love these two! I wish they were my friends.

  • @courtneyusmcwife5665
    @courtneyusmcwife5665 Рік тому +1

    I remember the umbrella!

  • @oliviawolcott8351
    @oliviawolcott8351 Рік тому +1

    Oh, yeah that guy on stage at the parenting conference talking about disciplining your children... that's Michael Pearl and he's something of an expert and revered figure in many circles. he's on par with James Dobson of focus on the family fame.

  • @jamesneville7378
    @jamesneville7378 11 місяців тому

    As a New Zealander myself, I would love to hear your thoughts on Gloriavale, and the documentaries and such you have seen. there have been multiple news stories and such about them, unfortunately some that paint them in a far better light than reality.
    Usually the joke down here is both Australia and New Zealand blame the bad stuff on each other, and take the good stuff for ourselves. While New Zealand may have Gloriavale, we also invented the Flat White

  • @mykidsshow2602
    @mykidsshow2602 Рік тому +1

    I was playing the category of taking care of children as a child it wasn't my brothers or sisters I was taking care of My nieces and nephews I was basically their parent as a child.

  • @oliviawolcott8351
    @oliviawolcott8351 Рік тому +1

    oh, paul and morgan watched it and they were not happy.

  • @nomollyshere
    @nomollyshere Рік тому +1

    Remember that IBLP had an entire wisdom book on Mormonism which was literally like a playbook for IBLP😂Nothing’s new or unique, just repackaged for the next group.

  • @burner27
    @burner27 Рік тому

    Also I love your intro music, it reminds me of Napoleon Dynamite.

  • @JP-JustSayin
    @JP-JustSayin Рік тому +3

    The church does the most harm to the folks that take it the most seriously. If you were mormon and it didnt hurt you then you were a bad mormon.

  • @hartandsoul8
    @hartandsoul8 Рік тому

    Great episode! It's ironic that the culture of strict religions and cults includes grooming children for SA, considering their accusations against us LGBTQIA+ folks. It's difficult to cope with emotionally as a queer person. Different note: I love the way the two of you cracked up about the Gloriavale documentary. That cult is a level of weird that I can't fully process! I can't think of another recent documentary about a cult that made me exclaim "Wtf?!" so much.

  • @zbambi101
    @zbambi101 11 місяців тому

    I was a victim of sexual abuse by an elder. That was my turning point. I was only 12.

  • @bethan.gruffydd
    @bethan.gruffydd Рік тому +1

    More about other cults would be great!

  • @simona_ab
    @simona_ab Рік тому +3

    Hello, beautiful people, TGIF ❤❤❤

  • @TruCat
    @TruCat Рік тому +1

    No idea if you'll see this, but I think I'll finally say this - now you know why you have a very faithful (see what I did there) non-Mormon following, LOL!! It's SO similar.
    I'm twentycoughsomething years older than you are, and went through a deconversion that mirrors yours so well it makes me laugh sometimes....waaaay back in 2001/2002. Literally a "Heeeeey....that's.....probably, kinda, no really, definitely, *horseshit*, isn't it?" moment when I had little ones, married young, all that. (It's been a long time and I see so much of my younger self in you, if you'll forgive the comparison.) "Shiny, Happy, People" has finally given me the common language to speak to the world at large about my religious trauma.
    FTR - raising them without god is one of the things I'm most proud of, and they ARE grateful for it (sorry Mr. Fallwell.) Not that you'll doubt yourself any more than I did, but sometimes it's nice to have that validation. :-) Cheers!

  • @China-Clay
    @China-Clay Рік тому +3

    Paul and Morgan seem very naive, surely they were told that they would not be featured, except for briefly….

  • @GamingWyles
    @GamingWyles Рік тому +1

    Your partner's beard has gotten magnificent! Just had to throw that out there.

  • @mariadamore1963
    @mariadamore1963 Рік тому

    Yes! The umbrella!!! I def remember that from primary school! And look at you still remembering all the different YW classes!!! I forgot that shit AGES ago!!!
    I will say, while we have our Mormon trauma, it seems like the church is becoming less strict? I don't intentionally try to keep up on it. But if that's the case, I'm glad they seem to be moving away from the "shame on everything" mentality. For the sake of current members. I'm never going back. Lol.

  • @BlairrrrrAislinnnn
    @BlairrrrrAislinnnn Рік тому

    Is this the way ruby from 8 passengers has went? Connexions…😊

  • @pamelamceachern9537
    @pamelamceachern9537 Рік тому +1

    Just watched the documentary. Am still processing it. One thing that stood out to me was the "no gossip" message that basically protected the predators. Telling the truth about what you experience is not gossip! If we are honest with ourselves, we know the difference between gossip and and calling someone else out when they are hurting others. It takes courage. Thank you both for the honest experience you and your husband have shared about your time being members of the Mormon Church. As the Bible says, "The truth will set you free." You help to set so many free!!!

  • @brookealbretsen5180
    @brookealbretsen5180 Рік тому

    I grew up with a kid who could only watch G rated movies. Now even Disney is PG, so I don’t know what he would watch.

  • @wellIdiditagain
    @wellIdiditagain 11 місяців тому

    Umbrella of authority, yes when I was kid in Mormon religion heard this but called something else. It's a Mormon thing also. Much happier now that I'm OUT!!
    Do you remember hearing about KOLOB?

  • @justanotherjezebeI
    @justanotherjezebeI 3 місяці тому

    Oh man, those are old school Prodistant names. One of my favorites from that time period is literally, Silence Christ Hast Died For Thou Sins. 😂 (I get the feeling they were a colicky baby, no?)

  • @jeffsaxton716
    @jeffsaxton716 6 місяців тому

    Shame and guilt in religion isn't a bug, it's a feature.

  • @TheSmileyangie
    @TheSmileyangie Рік тому

    i remember it being like a triangle for the authority thing. god at the top and each side was husband and wife and it connected the spouse's. but you were supposed to put god first, spouse, then yourself, add kids in there you are always last.
    my mom hated the Simpsons, but my dad let us watch it.

  • @charlesoverton
    @charlesoverton Місяць тому

    Did Emma Smith start the relief society?

  • @checkwithsterling
    @checkwithsterling 11 місяців тому

    So Surprised by Hubby! Hells Angel wanna-be?? What a SWING from Mormon to OUTLAW HOLY CRAP
    ...

  • @didirivera276
    @didirivera276 11 місяців тому

    You should check out the transformed wife. She makes videos about how women should be keepers at home and be submissive to husbands. It would be interesting to get your opinion on that channel.

  • @crazymusicchick
    @crazymusicchick Рік тому

    U talk about how strict a mormon is, i went to school with a Mormon girl and she didn't seam to have a different life to me except she was one of 7 like she read Harry potter etc but there was these twins who where just Christian (never told me what branch or that i remember) but they had such a restricted childhood eg only 30 mins of tv, no Harry potter, the Simpson's etc .

  • @bobbieboothroyd8531
    @bobbieboothroyd8531 Рік тому

    I've got that pop song in my Head that R.E.M did Shiny Happy People. I've just watched the video just to see who sang it. Years ago their was a show called something like true Love about Mormans and the opening song they used for that was God Only knows What I'd be without you by the Osmands I think. No disrespect to any Osmands fans but that pop Group is enough to put your back against the Morman closet rather than coming out. How to pee someone who is fanatical about god is to ask them what Cult their in. That winds them up. Momans in America seem Different than Mormans in Europe Or the UK where we are in the Minority. I've not been for years a sign that someone is a bit fanatical is when they Tell you Their Christian. Where if someone is Merthisdist Church of England or Cathic or Prodistant just keep it to themselves unless you ask them. I was fourst to tell people at work when they kindly offered me a cup of tea or coffee. And kept Religion out of the conversation as much as posable. I feel lucky in a lot of ways because my mum didn't go to Church so we could leave it at church. OK I Prayed quitly and did my Home teaching but I didn't have to Look at Jeuse on every wall. And God Did't get pestered every time I had something to eat. So I had a pretty balanced up bringing. its funny how Jeuse said do things in your closet and not make a song and dance around thing when A lot of church people praticaly are about as suttle as a marching band. In a grave yard. Just this morning I was coming from the village shop and Saw these two woman and I said Hello I quikly realised they may have been a group of JWs I looked up and Saw a few other people I got my white walking stick waved it around pretending to see what was infrount of me and got the Hell out of their. No I don't know what I am these days I just try and be a nice person have a great day and I hope this brings a smile to you.

  • @scottdixon3727
    @scottdixon3727 Рік тому

    What kind of hat is your husband wearing? ! It’s really cool looking .. where do I get one ?

  • @montyollie
    @montyollie Рік тому

    Paul and Morgan felt totally attacked. Google their names plus reaction to shiny happy people. They were very vocal about being misrepresented on the show.

  • @grandmaroxie2210
    @grandmaroxie2210 Рік тому +3

    Yes, carring for children is passed down to the oldest daughters. Yes, it is still done today in Mormon families. It's called teaching young women to be mothers.

    • @squeakybb
      @squeakybb Рік тому +6

      Children shouldn’t care for children, thats the parents job. The young women can learn to be mothers when they have their own children. Don’t perpetuate child abuse please

    • @toriray6126
      @toriray6126 Рік тому +3

      It's called Parentification and it's a form of abuse.

    • @mommyofkittens4809
      @mommyofkittens4809 Рік тому

      Okay son go enjoy your childhood, daughter go take care of your baby siblings. 🖕

  • @jamesstaplesv
    @jamesstaplesv Рік тому +1

    Tom Greens family divided the kids into groups outside their natural siblings to divide and connquer

    • @ExmoLex
      @ExmoLex  Рік тому +1

      Tom Green was wiiiiiild

    • @jamesstaplesv
      @jamesstaplesv Рік тому

      @@ExmoLex I was his #2 . Then I helped him go to prison.... oh the fun stories!!!!!!😂

  • @jenniebackman
    @jenniebackman Рік тому

    Have you watched the series Big Love? Yes it's fiction but a lot if things in the Mormon Temple is 100%

  • @scottnkids
    @scottnkids 11 місяців тому +1

    You have likely already compared Mormonism to the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Please do it again.

  • @cadence9055
    @cadence9055 Рік тому

    Like … interesting comparison… like

  • @brianrussell8656
    @brianrussell8656 10 місяців тому

    I am not Morman but feel sorry for the kids being victimized like boyscouts . I am sure their are good people in Morman church have had known many Mormon friends. When you are raised in this you probably think it is normal . The average Mormon are good people in general as a whole . Grewup around and have moron freinds that left the mormon church once again hey grew up. Just because people are Mormon dont make them bad people many don't know any better . Many religions have false profits that fool their flock nothing new . Knew one kid as soon as he was 18 left and no one has seen him again . His family consisted of 18 kids . His parents were still having kids nice people just born into being Mormon. Noticed if Mormon drink beer they become alcoholic easily because of being taught their whole live how bad it is . God bless one and all be safe you all.