Versus Series Q&A: Mace Windu VS. Darth Caedus
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- A new series with a familiar Force presence! Today I will be answering your most popular questions and criticism relating to my previous Versus Match Mace Windu VS. Darth Caedus.
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Massive shoutouts to all those who summited questions! I'll be sure to include more as this series moves forward. Always fun to interact!
Thanks for making another vid about me!
Hey really big fan was wondering could you do darth jadus vs darth nihilus or Darth marr vs scourge?
I hope you'll consider a Redux of Vader vs Caedus in the future, though it'll be better to use him with both his arms lol
request: Traya, Nihilus and Sion VS Dooku, Grievous and Ventress
@@maddogsgaming7567 COMPLETE MISMATCH
17:02 YOOOOO Anakin Vs Jaina that would be interesting then Obi-Wan Vs Jaina honestly.
21:46 Wait, WHAT!? Mara Jade Skywalker Vs Cade Skywalker!
Skywalker/Solo Bloodline Matchup, I'm down for that.
It’s always important to remember Jacen was not really interested in fighting Jaina, and he was distracted trying to warn his daughter. The duel was extremely circumstantial, and this should be acknowledged more-whenever VS. matches involving Caedus are made.
Iirc doesn’t it also start with her basically surprising him with a lightsaber stab? If so, he’d basically be physically hampered for the majority of the duel, even accounting for his resistance to pain.
@@Orochi2345678 She opened the door, and caught him when he had just disposed of Isolder's body.
He hadn't really recovered from the previous injuries he suffered, and so he spent the last duel continually retreating. He could have killed Jaina, I believe she acknowledges this in her POV, but as said he was trying to warn Allana and Tenel Ka.
@@lordinvictus793 Prime Jaina vs. Prime Caedus would be even cooler.
@@DropkickNation Caedus never reached his full potential.
@@lordinvictus793 I guess.
Looking forward to Mara vs Cade. Glad you illuminated some of Saba’s feats for the audience. She’s definitely slept on.
Bruh, you can't just casually drop the Mara vs Cade match like that lol
Fact
Anakin vs Jaina? I am kinda looking forward to this. Love seeing Anakin in a fight and seeing how his descendants match up is even better.
Jaina definitely has a wider variety of skills and she scales over Kyp as of FotJ who has his own array of impressive feats.
Should be a good video.
@@williamhenning4700 I'd say anakin with His higher Experience via a lightsaber against Dueling Gods like the Count....Barely.
@@jackalsmalls4995 My own train of thought lies in a similar direction, though I can see valid arguments on either side.
Love that you acknowledged how poorly caedus has been represented in the vs community until now, no one wanted to give him credit
True no one gives him the credit he so desperately deserves yes he didn’t take down the Jedi order like previous Sith Lords try to do but the way he manipulated things so he could take over the galactic alliance is pretty cool I would count him as one of my favorite Sith lords from the rule of two era
Not only that but Caedus never even reached his peak, at least in the Force. Imagine what he could have done with 5 more years learning how to use the Force and, more importantly, handle the Dark Side. He was a Sith for … what, a little over a year?
Jaina vs Anakin and Mara vs Cade? Nice.
Oh, I love your explanation for Vaapad. That it wouldn't be as effective on the likes of Dooku compared to Sidious was a headcanon I've had for a while now.
Also considering that mace and dooku have clashed multiple times in the legends version of the clone wars and almost all of them ended in stand still really calls into question the effectiveness of vaapad on every Sith.
@@coggnus9656 sort of. Dooku doesn't really pour his soul into the dark side like bane, exar kun. The dude is always ice cold calm so vaapad wouldn't have anything to work with there.
@@claudiathomas2529 That only proves the point that vaapad isn’t a instant win technique against all dark siders. Definitely effective against a good amount but not unbeatable.
@@coggnus9656 definitely.
Honestly I love the longer length. It gives me something to listen to while doing work and school. Either way keep up the good work.
I really love that you take accountability for your past (well...) errors? It's refreshing to see someone actually apologize for not giving someone/something enough justice. I tip my hat to you good sir. (Or hair rather). My respect for you (as high as it already is) has risen even further. Will throw in a donation to help support your work.
Jaina and Cade in upcoming matches? Hell yes, all 3 of my faves in one season 🤘 this will be awesome. Goes without saying for which Skywalker I am betting on next vid, doesn't it? xD
When I saw Mara Jade Skywalker vs Cade Skywalker, I was like HELL YES!!!
@@darylsdesigns6679 absolutely. Those 2 vids will be amazing. Will be very interesting to see Cade and Mara going at it. And Jaina vs Anakin can't be underhyped.
@Emperor Vowrawn cade being yoda level? Even though he was getting slapped around by vong krayt?
See that "How there character affects ones capabilites." THAT is often ignored and looked down on. I realize in most VS debates people use the idealistic version of the character and just assume this character is 100% all in the fight all ready. Convenietnely leaving out many aspects that can contribute to ones victory or defeat.
1:54, you seriously underestimate how much content we do want from you I think 😂
Also a question, would you consider using Leia in a vs match up?? I don’t see anyone using her ever and wondered why that is. Is it a lack of feats?? But seriously keep the good work up!
It's about time Leia gets featured in a matchup already
I'm all for using Leia. I think I'm going to put her against Shaak Ti next season.
@@EvanNova95 Shaak Ti of all people ? Damn, that's gonna be a hard fight
That will be an amazing matchup! I’ll keep my eyes open for it :)
@@EvanNova95 Evan, how do i submit questions to this Q/A videos? In the comments of the video in question?
Honestly, I'm just glad to see NJO get some respect put on it.
Glad I could contribute! I'll be honest, that Vader vs Caedus video did kinda taint Caedus as a character in my eyes since that was my first REAL exposure to him, but I've learned to really like him over the years (especially after discount Caedus-- I MEAN Kylo Ren came to the picture) and your recent video cemented that new view. Can't wait to see how Anakin fares against Jaina!
Hey that's cool if you got to know more about him and appreciate him, that's great. Besides, other SW Versus creators used Caedus since, like Rob Terra, who pitched him against Cade Skywalker and Darth Bane.
Also, comparing Caedus to Crylo is like comparing Dooku to Savage Opress lol
No wait, even Savage has better track record.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 At least Savage won a fight
@@shadowwarrior3444 And he killed actual Jedi, including a Council Master. Crylo killed a bunch of untrained pupils with a lightning bolt summoned during one of his fits, unintentionally, and that's it.
This man (EvanNova95) is a LEGEND!!
I’m a fan of the new style and the section approach. If you can tighten it up a bit more to keep a more consistent pace then I believe it’ll end up as a truly winning format for your videos.
8:27 i mean I guess it means theres less visuals for the video BUUT thats what fanarts for!
20:25 *spits out tea*
Please tell me Saba will finally get a VS Match again! Also thank you for featuring more NJO characters. I personally enjoyed the NJO Era more than any of the other Eras, and characters like Mara, Corran and Saba are in my top 10. Also, I am not entirely sure but I think there are enough feats to make a match with Leia Solo....!
Both Saba and Leia will be featured next Season.
@@EvanNova95 Thanks Evan, also glad to see the community is still going strong :)
23:24, i would also add to this side of the coin would be Malgus and Malak,
And for the other side of the Coin which Evan called his more Chilling Side , i would also recommend Revan and Plagueis.
In fact these are the side of the coin as i see most dark siders tend to either conduct themselves,
Unlike the rather the calm, peaceful & tranquil Jedi.
Looking back at the Vader vs Caedus matchup...I'm still torn about who'd actually win. Even more now that with the revamped Caedus analysis. On the one hand, Vader takes the physical and nullifies Caedus's usage of his specialized tools and weapons (Mainly his darts), is equal to if not superior to him in their usage of Telekinesis (as far as the scope of their usage of it.). On the other hand, Caedus has been canonically stated to have possessed a stronger tie to the force than even his grandfather, which makes sense given that he is essentially a combination of What if Anakin didn't require his cybernetic reconstruction as well as a What If Anakin went the route of the Consular paths. He had more of a head start than Vader did on actually refining and getting a better academic understanding of the force rather than coasting on raw talent until a definitive stop-gap was placed in his raw potential by good Ol' Obi Wan. Hmm...Idk, really depends of which version of Jacen (Before losing his hand vs after losing it) is going against which version of Vader (ESB, ROTJ, Pre-TFU, Post-TFU/TFU2)
"Oh no, did I just become my mother?" - Yes, yes you did. And as a notorious bookworm (to the point of reading books during my school days AS I was doing the lesson's work, I highly approve of the mini-rant!
I'm glad to see more stuff from you, Evan, even if it's just these types of videos. I hope you can pump out more of them soon.
How did you manage to read while doing work? Your eyes can only do one thing at once.
Teach me this power, I want to use it.
@@samueldimmock694 I'd read a bit of the book, listen to the teacher and skim ahead in the class' book to see if I was understanding what was being said/where the teacher was going, and then returned to the book. And kept half an ear out for anything I needed to hear.
Then it was a case of read one page. Do a page of work. Read one page. Repeat.
You know all those hours where you sort of do work while binging on fanfic, wiki, or a forum? It was the pen and paper version of that.
@@morlath4767 I was never that disciplined, I would just race through the work and then read in the time I had left. Even now, the closest to what you did that I can do is spend an hour working, then an hour not working, repeat, or I just end up not working at all.
@@morlath4767 However, I do remember stopping to read a page, or even a paragraph, whenever I had the chance, while paying enough attention to the world around me that I could stop when I needed to.
@@samueldimmock694 I can't do it now. I honestly haven't a clue how I managed to do it back then, since I'm always blocking out sounds when I'm deep in a book.
I’ve been looking forward to this
Liked your breakdown. Like your content. Been a fan for awhile just now subscribed. Love that you used Caedus in a VS match...
Here’s a VS recommendation:
Darth Caedus VS Revan Reborn.
Like your current match up they have a lot of similarities but both focus a little more on the mysteries of the force... not to mention it’s hard finding any character that could go Toe to Toe with Revan. Though Caedus might be able to give him a run for his money if not best him...
Could come down to how they view the force itself which was very different even though they both utilized both sides of the coin.
Darth Baras vs Antares Draco. Wolf Sazen and Shado Vao vs Cao Cen Daroc and Satelle Shan. Ulic Qel Droma vs Aryn Leneer. Sylvar vs Assajj Ventress ( legends) Darth Maul( TCW) vs Kit Fisto. Darth Zannah vs Celeste Morne vs Darth Wyyrlock(3) . Bastilla Shan vs Quinlan Vos. Jaden Korr vs Darth Azard. Lucien Draay vs Cao Cen Darach. Sirak( path of destruction) vs Anakin Skywalker (Padawan).
The Q&A style video is a great addition to your channel!!!
I enjoyed the length of the last vs match the increase in detail was great
At 1:54....Just had to drop a like at that point! XD.
Lol.
4:11 I’m gonna have to disagree with that one. In terms of both story role and character, Kyp Durron is the Mace Windu of his era. I’d say Jaina is more the Obi-Wan Kenobi of her era.
Just coming back to this a little while after playing Jedi Survivor, where I feel the one handed Star Wars Force Wielders got a new member lol.
Dagan Gera’s case feels weird in that he basically treats fighting as if he still had his other arm, as shown by his Force Hallucinations depicting him just straight up using another arm. It kinda tailored into the whole idea of his character that he can’t let the past die.
I know you’re generally more interested in Legends content, which is fair, but I just felt it an interesting topic. :)
Boi would it be fun to have Vader vs Caedus Redux in the future
Oh boy that'd be fun, but before a redux on hoth vs bane, i think hoth is a formidable opponent but in terms of power and knowledge in the force I'm more inclined with bane. And for the case of lightsaber skills....itd probably be similar to bane from path of destruction vs luke from dark empire, bane is a skilled warrior but his textbook techniques would start to show more for his opponent and skilled enough they can exploit it, which lord hoth i think he can do that though not as easy as some may think.
@@MusicFan752 Eh I dunno, there's just too little info on Lord Hoth. Or is there ?
@@yrooxrksvi7142 i think with what were given much like with kao cen darach but in novel, there is enough to speculate. However that doesnt mean hed win outright, banes a textbook lightsaber duelist but his execution of technique is solid and can pose a threat and again force abilities. Personally bane does win against hoth but at the same time hoth does have some merit to him.
Thank you for answering my comment Evan and elaborating on your opinion of Vapaad in this particular scenario! While I think it comes down to how we both view the Vapaad technique in different ways in terms of use and the requirements needed I appreciate you taking the time to explain none the less 🙏
And once again, Anthony Ingruber as Jacen/Caedus and Mary Elizabeth Winstead as Jaina.
Take notes, fan artists !
I would actually recommend Patrick Schwarzenegger and Elizabeth Gillez for Jacen & Jaina.
They actually look a lot more physicality and to their roles their faces look Scarily accurate.
@@jacknewton4314 Arnie's son ? Hmm Strikes me more as a possible cast for Anakin Solo than Jacen tbh
As for her, yeah, she looks VERY fine, but there's something...missing, as in looking like a possible daughter of Harrison and Carrie.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 Yeah, casting for her has to be a lot more difficult then finding a very fit guy between 25 - 32, since that is when Caedus died at that age. As for my approach ,it is purely baesd upon physical looks.
@@jacknewton4314 Likewise, Ingruber did act as a younger version of Harrison in a movie, besides doing impressions of him, and he has worked with sympathetic villain characters in the form of John Doe/The Joker in Batman TellTale. As for M.E. Winstead, dunno, she kinda has a similar face to Carrie, and she's acted in the role of tough girls many times. And last but not least, she's Ewan McGregor's fiancée lol (joking but still)
Here's one for you Revan vs Darth Cadeus.Excellent video.
Loved the term The Vaapad Effect.
I once thought as you did about the Super Conducting Loop.
I knew Mace knew of it before the Sidious duel. I know Vaapad is not the end all but its a method,a tool, a weapon to fight the dark side. You could say depending on its wielder,their knowledge or mastery of the Force and their saber skills Vaapad in the hands of another would produce different outcomes,different results. Depa would have been Mace's heir to Vaapad as well as Caleb Dume being hers if we had somebody with the balls to write it.
Caleb Dume Master of Vaapad...It has a nice ring to it imo.
Leia Organa Solo vs Assajj Ventress.( I personally believe leia’s skill with a blade is equal to ROTJ Luke or Quinlan Vos, with the force skill of Obiwan with more raw force power than Luke since she had a more natural connection to the force without any training unlike Luke who needed his training with Obi wan to tap into the force at all. And she is a skilled tactican, armed and unarmed combatant and politican before she even started her Jedi training.) making her roughly a tier 4/3.5 in terms of power and skill because she trains so inconsistently due to her political duties and motherhood and it’s her experience that grows more than her ability over the years.
Legends Ventress should take this. Leia was around the likes of Aayla Secura's level or a little above as a lightsaber duelist. Her power with the Force is considerably greater being a Skywalker and all but tactically speaking Asajj is superior, having gone up against Council-level Jedi at the height of the Clone Wars and contending quite well while Leia didn't have anywhere near that level of experience.
Just checked in on you after like four years. Last vid I watched from you was the lightsaber video and I can't believe how far you've come
I like the revisiting of the Caedus vs Vader topic. I agree that given Vader's loss of living tissue Caedus would hold the advantage in the force, and I do think that Caedus could win by leveraging his use of lightning.
With that said. Vader is a notably superior duelist to Caedus in my opinion. Caedus is clearly top tier, but I see him being top tier in the way Yoda is top Tier and not Vader. Vader is top tier in the way Exar Kun is top tier as a duelist, greater versatility, complexity, creativity, and experience.
Some versus suggestions:
Darth Plagueis vs Jerec
K'kruhk(CW) vs Desann
Kit Fisto vs Corran Horn
Shaak Ti vs Obi-Wan Kenob
Lucien Draay vs Kazdan Paratus
Lucien Draay vs Darth Zannah(Martial Arts Breakdown only, I was curious since Draay has been theorized to have built his technique to combat Sith warrior, how would he fare against a Sith who operates completely differently)-I'm aware Zannah would completely stomp him if force Abilities were included
Jaro Tapal vs Pong Krell
@Wes Bradley-Taubner Are you sure ? Which version of K'kruhk are we talking about ? Prequel or Legacy Era ?
@Wes Bradley-Taubner Seems about right, yeah
Plague
Does K'Kruhk have his hat?
Corran (don't think Kit can dispell illusions + better swordsman).
Kenobi
Probably Draay? Depends on the evironment a lot.
Either Zannah stonewalls and outlasts or mindfucks. Draay before going blind gives Zannah material to mindfuck.
@@robertgeorge4602 Yeah K'kruhk can have his hat
@@spartan-6364 Then K'kruhk stomps.
Legend says the hat is the source of K'kruhks immortality, he regularly uses it as a wok, and its ability as a weapon beats Kung Laos hat!
Just out of curiosity why haven't you guys done Jacen Solo? I've been reading through the njo series and found that he is almost an entirely different combatant. Also along that same line of thought why not use Anakin solo? I haven't been able to find a vs series featuring him at all.
The more I learn about NJO Jedi, the more I begun to realize that Obi-Wan is so pathetically weak compare to NJO Jedi.
I compare Obi-Wan to Batman when it comes to comparative power levels between top tier NJO jedi and Justice League where both are very strong and capable in their own rights but are hopelessly outmatch when compare to its peers.
If Obi-Wan were to be dropped into NJO timeline in his RoTS version, the only way he can shine through is his complete Sorusu mastery, sarcastic wits, unwavering loyalty to the Jedi and its code and the best of all, THE HIGH GROUND.
Still though, great video Evan and can't wait to watch more VS. Video about NJO characters.
Any chance you’ll do another marathon this year? You mentioned last year you try it with obi wan.
I think it would be awesome if you did another versus with TCW Maul, given that with the release of clone wars season 7 we have so many new feats. Love your channel!
Mace Windu is one of the only dead star wars characters I have ever actually wanted to come back in the sequel movies (this was before they came out obviously, when there were rumors of a certain dead character coming back). Samuel Jackson + Purple Lightsaber + fighting style/attitude = one of the GOATS. He's actually one of the Jedi I actually like. (favorites are Jacen, Obi wan, yoda, mace, and Revan)
23:45 - Well, I'd put Caedus in between those 2 groups. He was simmilar to Maul in one aspect: he used his pure anger, like you said "burning aspect of the dark side" to survive. He often relied on his pain.
But even when he did get angry he regretted it because he realize that his temper got in the way of his victories in certain battles so like Evan said he was more chill with the Darkside
Alema Rar Vs Wolf Sazen is one I’d like to see( the wounded warriors as it were.) Darth Azard vs Jaden Korr. Darth Nihl vs Jerroc. Lumiya vs Darth Talon. Tarron Malicos vs Quinlan Vos. Galen Marek/ Mara Jade vs Wolf Sazen/ Antares Draco. Kylo Ren vs Tahiri Veila or Tenel Ka Djo( yes I know the fanalysis councils thoughts on the sequel trilogy!)
@Darth_ Madara Unfortunately, no. Kylo is simply too inconsistent and would otherwise get shitstomped by a mjaority of force wielders and rey is a overpowered inconsistent mary sue with no natural growth in power. The only type of videos they could be used for is post mortem analysis, and in this case, kylo only fits. Rey is too inconsistent and too overpowered to be even taken seriously or otherwise.
Plus, the sequel trilogy only features two force wielders, which is why nobody likes the sequel trilogy. But that's besides the point
Tahiri stomps kylo. Vos stomps malicos.
@@lapplandkun9273 I think Rey could still be used but she'd still get stomped. Regarding her lightsaber skills and martial arts, she's basic as hell. Her powers aren't really overpowered but seem so considering the feats we've seen even in the films.
She has basic Force powers. Mind trick. Jump. Push. Pull.
The out of ordinary powers she has is heal and lightning but she can't summon lightning on command. Plus she can easily be angered. As much as the writers attempted to make her the most powerful and articles exclaiming the same, they're just regurgitating bull. The books may give more context but even then she's not like Katarn, Caedus, or even Ben Skywalker.
Your channel single-handedly got me to regret not being on the expanded universe train these characters are so cool I had a question I think I asked in another video I just don't know which but it was about the whills and becoming one with the force to rephrase it here since the whills are the arbiters of how the force manifests for the individual Force wielder would it stand to reason that a darksider could become one with the force if it's whill was dark maybe this is a wrong headed question or I am not understanding some of the nuances but it seems like that would be cool
1:56 Already Im dropping a like for this video.
I watched this 5 min after it was dropped.
Would have commented sooner but alas, I was in the office.
Awesome your doing this btw.
2:36 Holy crap. I remember voting in this poll. Hard to believe its been over 6 years since that video came out.
Your editing, presentation and style has improved so much this then. Your ability to be both argumentative and entertaining is so good.
its hard to make 1 hour videos that much fun to watch and listen to.
And lol you cringing at the old video of Vader vs Caedus.
Though I think still disagree with the impact of losing an arm on Caedus has on his optimal performance levels, I do agree that Caedus (like Wolf) has done really well to adapt and make up for the fact that he is always fighting one handed.
21:48 Oh my. A matchup that is way more hype than Jaina vs Anakin and Malak vs Dooku is here. While Ive been wanting/thinking about Caedus vs Cade (anti-villan vs anti-hero Skywalker. Think Caedus wins but my interest is mostly for thematic reasons) and Talon vs Mara for a while now (as a joke matchup), so seeing this matchup is HYPE. Mara is about to face Cade's pimp hand.
Post ROTJ era is my favorite era so I'll always take more, more and.......more
Im always happy when i see you upload man
Luke also went into the duel with Caedus not 100%. He had that wound that Caedus took advantage of twice. Was it huge? No but increased the advantage Caedus has circumstantially. A full 100% GM Luke would beat Caedus even more definitively.
Could we get something with malak.....anything with the Dark Magnus?
Been a while but coming back and hearing this, I just thought of something. Vaapad did work well against Sidious however, it didn't work as well against Darth Tyrannus which supports the flaming dark side versus the chilling dark side.
In the Force Unleash 2 DLC what tier would you put that Princess Leia on would she be a standard Jedi or a little higher than standard Jedi?
I have a rather ambitious suggestion: Darth Bane and Darth Zannah vs Darth Plagueis and Darth Sidious. Basically the ones, who created the Rule of Two and the ones, who condemned it
Liked the video and the match up. Looking forward to more of your work.
Ki Audi Mundi and A’sharad Hett vs Lucien Draay. Wolf Sazen vs Aryn Leneer. Celeste Morne vs Bastilla Shan. Skorr vs Lucien Draay. Darth Azard vs Nadar Vebb. Darth Baras vs Darth Zannah vs Darth Marr. Jaden Korr vs Tholme. Darth Wredd vs Aayla Secura. Tsyr and Bok( Morgukai warriors) vs Jango Fett and Kir Kanos.
Hey Man just want to say this was an amazing match up and also sn incredible Q&A vid.
I have a Suggestion Match up in the future. And I’ll leave it here for you to see.
Kavar from Kotor 2 vs Antares Draco
A’sharad Hett vs Lucien Draay. Quinlan Vos vs Jaden Korr. Wolf Sazen vs Antares Draco. Darth Revan vs Darth Marr. Darth Sion vs Aryn Leneer. Sedriss vs Starkiller (clone). Sora Bulq vs Kit Fisto. Ki Adi Mundi vs Galen Marek. Embo vs Djin Djarin. Kir Kanos vs Hunter ( bad batch). Hondo Karr vs Cad Bane.( one I really want to see as they are jack of all trade style combatants( firearms specialists who were capable with knives and hand to hand.)
EvanNova95
I love to see a Who would win Mara Jade vs Kyle Katarn video in the future that would be awesome.
Are you excited for the republishing with new covers of, Heir to the empire, Shatterpoint, and path of destruction? I think it could be really good for the EU and hints of things to come. Also have you ever considered creating a discord for fans? I think it could be awesome!!
One thing Disney can do right with the franchise. And I honestly don’t think it means anything for the EU. They need money because their high republic isn’t popular
I LOVE the NJO!!!! So glad that you do as well!
I personally view Mara Jade as being roughly on par with someone like Kiadi Mundi, Katarn as Plo Koon, Jains as Mace and Luke as yoda. ( though I’d argue that Jains has Maced skill with a blade and Plos position on the council while Katarn has maces position on the council an Plos skill with a blade.)
Kit Fisto vs Anakin Skywalker: I realize this might seem like a no brainer, Anakin’s Djem So being optimized for single combat. But Kit is significantly better in hand to hand combat. has a more unpredictable technique, better self control and tactical skills( though only slightly since when he goes all out he’s ALMOST as impulsive as Anakin) and while less powerful he does use the force slightly more regularly than Anakin. Also they are both familiar with Ataru and duel blade fencing and their physical abilities are roughly on par. Anakin might win, but it’s By the skin of his teeth instead of a curb stomp. Or Kit’s unpredictable style might let him find in opening in Anakin’s defense before Anakin beats him. Anakin is a better single combat duelist, but Kit nearly bested Grevious, bested several magnugaurds, was leagues ahead of Episode 2 Obi Wan during their sparring sessions, and while he lost to Ventress and Palpatine, Palpatine is one of the best duelists of all time and he lasted longer than everyone but mace and Yoda, and he was wounded before the duel with Ventress who had a chance to study his skills, form 1 is naturally weak against for 2, and Ventress raw skill would’ve allowed her to go toe to toe with him on her worst day. They are both council level Jedi, the top masters of their respective styles, skilled tacticians and are overall equals.( minus raw power in the force, cause ya know, chosen one.)
Kit Fisto vs Anakin Skywalker. Jaden Korr vs Quinlan Vos vs Antares Draco. Starkiller( clone) vs Leia Organa Solo. Wolf Sazen vs Alema Rar. Ben Skywalker vs Darth Azard. Cao Cen Darach vs Mara Jade. Embo and Jango Fett vs Ker Kanos. Das Jenner vs Kanan Jarrus. Anya Kuro vs Aryn Leneer . Darth Sion vs Darth Marr. Darth Jadeus vs Kyp Duron. Cade Skywalker vs Darth Bane( orbalisk armor). Galen Marek vs Quinlan Vos.
Darth Malek vs Galen Marek, Darth Bane vs Galen Marek, Darth Nihl vs Qui Gon Jin, Rahm Kota vs Sylvar, Shaak Ti vs Sylvar
Malak
Bane
Nihl
Kota (but close, this could be interesting)
Ti
I agree that length is no problem as long as quality is maintained. In fact I love a good long video 😁
While I see dooku and Kyle in the same tier I do believe dooku is above him in his force abilities and about equal to slightly above in lightsaber ability, I know I might be wrong but that’s my opinion
Request: Traya, Nihlus and Sion vs Dooku, Grievous and Ventress (Legends only)
Complete mismatch. Nihilus solo's everyone
@@yrooxrksvi7142 maybe. idk, i thought a trio matchup would be cool
@@maddogsgaming7567 But it just doesn't work, because of the massive gap in power scale. Dooku and Grievous can maybe manage against Traya and Sion, but Nihilus is just too much. A more fair matchup would be the Sith Triumvirate vs Sidious, Vader and maybe Plagueis.
Jaina solo vs revan
Please please please do peak Corran Horn vs Peak Kyle Katarn. Best matchup ever. I’m shocked you guys haven’t done this yet!
Lord Nyax VS Durge I NEED THIS ONE
Sorry man but it's a very dumb matchup. Durge loses in nanoseconds. Nyax > Luke + Mara + Tahiri + a dozen of vong slayers.
@@ancientone2926 see I think most people would assume Durge wins because of his regeneration and weapons, but I think Nyax is one of the only people who could actually stomp all over Durge. I think it would be entertaining honestly, I get why you say it's dumb but I obviously think otherwise.
@@heyokaproductions8153 because it's very very very one-sided. Nyax > early NJO Luke + early NJO Mara + early NJO Tahiri + a dozen of vong slayers. Durge can't even fight this monster, let alone beat him.
@@ancientone2926 dude... Early NJO Luke believed the best strategy was to bury Nyax, and then this MF escaped and DISAPPEARED. If Legends were to have continued to the point where he came back or his story came out, don't you think he'd have trained to be even stronger than all the NJO combined? Even if he never reached that level he got defeated and knew they had potential to be better, so why wouldn't he try to get stronger?
@@heyokaproductions8153 What? What's your point?
Darth Malak vs Darth Maul (TCW Season 7).
Darth Bane (Rule Of Two) vs Darth Caedus
Jaina Solo vs Anakin Skywalker (EP3)
Count Dooku vs Mara Jade Skywalker
This might not be the most interesting match up on your mind but can you do dooku and Kenobi vs Vader and 3 inquisitors, that be really really epic and I love ur video style and series keep up the work
Would you consider putting Sidious and Caedus in a match up? Caedus would most likely win, but still, interesting how the two would match up against each other.
Evan: "Jaina is grandmaster tier."
Meanwhile the actual novel
"I know that you Masters-and several Jedi Knights-are more skilled in both Force and lightsaber than I am. But I'm his twin sister. I'll have advantages no one else will."
"What kind of advantages?" Kenth asked.
- LotF Invincible
So no Jaina is confirmed beneath the council including those who don't specialize in combat like Cilghal. Cilghal herself who is noted as far below Katarn who nearly solo'd Jacen's ass despite him going into that fight amped.
Caedus is getting way overhyped here. He lives mainly on good fortune and getting pain amps. Mace stomps him. It's not close. He has next to no TK feats or scaling to contend and his dueling feats are circular
Anakin vs Jaina is another mismatch. There's literally nothing to put her within a galaxy of him. Make it end of Jedi Apprentice Anakin and it would be slightly fair to her.
Mara vs Cade looks interesting though.
How is Caedus overhyped given the vast array of powers he has at his display, when compared to Mace ?
Same for Jaina vs Anakin, we're talking about RoTS whiny ass arrogant Anakin. You're not really making for a compelling argument except saying they're overhyped and got away with plot armor.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 What vast array? Shatterpoint that he barely ever uses in combat? TP that can barely restrain Aurra Sing for a short time when massively amped by his daughter being in danger? TK that when adrenilene amped to an entire other level can't oneshot Mara Jade or Jaina Solo. Jaina whose confirmed to be below the entire council? Meanwhile Mace comfortably scales to Yoda as the most powerful Jedi in history until Anakin. Over people such as Revan, Kun etc etc?
RotS Anakin is confirmed to be the most powerful Jedi in history. Stated outright in G-Canon to be near unbeatable in combat with "unparalleled powers" a quote given in a time where Yoda and Sidious exist.
Jaina has not a prayer. Present a *single* feat in her arsenal to get her past being oneshot.
@@DB6195 so you’re making your argument based on a movie that has anakin not do very much with the force and whom obi wan was able to fight to a stalemate. So anakin shows no feats in the movie to back this and is simple hyperbole.
They also say mace is second only to yoda that means he beats dooku, sidious and anakin no problem.
Please use another line of argument
@@devontaelafleur3841 Not just movie Anakin, also including feats Anakin has done in the EU
Jaina was playing meek and humble, best Jedi behavior to get the Council’s support. I wouldn't take that as confirmation of anything personally, especially since a mere 2 years later we have Luke, in his thoughts not a political conversation, claiming she’s the combat equal of anyone in the order. I also get this is all just how we interpret the characters but I can't see Mace being strong enough to give gm Luke near the sort of fight Caedus did in Inferno I’m with Evan on this one except I think it's less close, as long as Caedus isn’t in one of his whiny child moods he wins mid dif.
So I’m noticing a lot of Skywalkers being used this season (Anakin, Jaina, Mara Jade and Cade) but what about the OG Skywalker. Are we gonna be getting any Luke Skywalker matchups any time?
I think I'm gonna slot him in next season.
Love your videos man good to see constructive criticism taken so well. Please have seba in a future vs. pretty please she's so badass. Can't wait for Jaina v Anakin.
You should do a video on how you would train anakin if he was your apprentice
Not let Palpatine be left alone with a 9 year old?
That alone would save the galaxy.
That's interesting. Might make for a good unscripted diciussion.
@@SuperWindsage Also, saving his mother, thus not fearing for his mother's life and content and satisfied with his mother being safe, and also not indirectly starting his path towards the dark side of the force?
The jedi screwed anakin over so bad.
you mentioned Wolf Sazen in this video have you ever considered doing a vs match between him and Rebels Era Ahsoka Tano?
Can you make a match-up between Darth Caedus, and Emperor Palpatine in Dark Empire? Let me explain why I ask for this match-up. Now, I know Palpatine is considered The Greatest Sith Lord in Galactic History by many, MANY fans, but think of these two things.
One, For Palpatine to use his most powerful, battle-ending power (Force Storm) on Caedus, he would have to not be in the heat of battle with Caedus in order to summon all his focus on that one ability to kill him, something which, A: would probably kill him too, causing the whole battle to end in an unproductive stalemate for both combatants, and B: Caedus probably wouldn't let Palpatine break off the battle, just so he could have a chance to use his strength to summon the storm in the first place. I think Caedus would be smart not to let that happen, and therefore, I doubt Palpatine could use this ability effectively when fighting Caedus.
The second thing to consider is this: When Luke Skywalker fought Palpatine in Dark Empire (when Palpatine was most powerful), Luke had not come close to reaching his full potential as a Jedi Grandmaster yet, and he managed to defeat Palpatine by literally disarming him, and Palpatine eventually died in a Force Storm of his own creation. Now, when Caedus fought Luke, he also stood up to Luke in an effective way during his duel with him, (AFTER Luke had reached his full potential as a Grandmaster), sure, he did not defeat Luke outright, and you did explain very well that Luke didn't want to kill Caedus either, thus opening him up to darkness, and (unlike Palpatine), he actually survived the fight with Luke without losing any of his limbs because of it. My point is, if Caedus could survive a duel with Grandmaster-level Luke Skywalker in one piece, but Palpatine fought Pre-prime Luke, and lost his hand (and life) when he fought Luke, maybe (and I mean MAYBE), Caedus could fight Palpatine at his prime, and come out on top. Do you agree?
If you don't think this is a fair fight on Caedus' part, and still believe Palpatine would win hands down, I'm okay with that. I would like, however, to also see a fight between Darth Caedus, and Darth Krayt in the future as well. Both Caedus, and Krayt are very powerful Sith Lords (probably on a Palpatine level), and I would like to know who would win the title of 2nd most powerful Sith Lord in this match. (Unless you DO consider Caedus as a Palpatine-level Sith Lord after considering what I said in the first comment.)
One more Matchup idea, Dark Empire Palpatine versus Darth Krayt for the title of Most Powerful Sith Lord in Galactic History. Who would win?
1:53 lmao you are a treasure, never change ;P
Hey really big fan was wondering could you do darth jadus vs darth nihilus or Darth marr vs scourge?
Any match including nihilus would be awesome to finally see.
@@MusicFan752 Rob Terra did Nihilus vs Vader, but it'd be cool if anyone from the Fanalysis Council did it
@@yrooxrksvi7142 exactly. Plus I saw that too and I'm happy that Rob painted a better picture for nihilus skills as alot of people I know called him weak in that department. While its understandable cause of how he is in game, I dont think that's completely true and more inclined to go with what Rob said about him.
@@MusicFan752 Because people tend to take things way too much at face value.
Jadus > Nihilus
Marr > Scourge
Saba is that strong? While I focused more on her character, rather than power scaling, this surprises me.
I do not know the full scope, but I know how dangerous Abeloth is. And the fact that Saba took down a body with hand-to-hand means I may have been underestimating her.
Perhaps Master Nova would grace us with a Saba Sebatyne video, versus or analysis. I, for one, would welcome the education.
@Emperor Vowrawn PIS?
Have you considered talking about the force of the legacy series on the Forcecast with the others?
14:12 PLEASE🙏🏽make a Who Wins Mara Jade or Kyle Katarn video
Happy birthday Evan!!
Great video can you do another what if
Yay! Thank you very much Evan 😁
Yeah ultimately I don’t disagree with these results. Jacen is a beast.
Can he beat either Darth Krayt or Darth Sidious at their primes though?
I personally prefer the Legacy era of Star Wars and the time between the prequels and original trilogy.( Dark Times, Force Unleashed, Any story of Vader killing Jedi, rise of Darth Vader are some of the better stories of the franchise and some of my favs.) I don’t think there is a bad era of Star Wars, but personally I have mixed feelings about the NJO. I like the reestablished version of the order that allows healthy emotional bonds and adds blaster training, but aside from Mara Jade, Alema Rar, Jaden Korr and Jains solo I don’t really care about the new characters that much. I’m not saying they are bad and some of the stories are fun but I just couldn’t click with the vast majority of characters. And while I really like the YuzanG Vong I don’t know if they’re the big threat they are viewed as but some fans.( they are immune to direct force attacks or telepathy and that’s cool and a giant advantage but a lasersword and thrown debris work more than a force push already. ) the njo is fun but not for me personally. Which is funny because Legacy era builds mostly of the njo. Maybe it’s because it feels like a blend of the njo with the prequels and a smash of the original trilogy?
I would love to read NJO, I just finished thrawn but I don't know what reading order to go. Can the Fandom help?
I'm wondering who would be a good opponent for Tra Saa in a versus video.
Also Shaak ti vs Anya Kuro
Can you please have a video of the New Jedi order as it was during Fate Of The Jedi vs the Old Jedi Order as it was at the time of the execution of Order 66?
Hi Evan I’ve thought of a good vs battle for you. How about Darth Malak vs Count Dooku.
Mara is in the mid tier between Council Master Level and Grand Master Level
Don't blame you on not bringing in exar kun more, I honestly found him rather annoying.
Maybe you should remake Vader vs Cadeus I would love to see that
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Videos are back again!!!!! Alright (Lindy voice from Bob's Burgers).
Love that show
Awesome video bud