OH HELLO THERE! Let's face it, the internet communities around gaming culture are prime breeding grounds for unhealthily obsessive power nerds who base their whole existence and meaning around a consumer product...mixed in with immature and/or socially inept individuals of various ages, likely more-so kids, teens and the maladjusted sociopaths. All those types who previously when met in normal ways, reasonable mature folk could quickly and safely identify so not to take them seriously, but can now hide behind the anonymity afforded to them online and have free reign to drag everything down, while non-sociopath considerate people never have enough information to infer ill-intent, and of course a decent person would not want to think the worst of someone without fair judgement...But that judgement can almost never happen when we know nothing about the speaker except their username and text. So no one can ever be sure on how to react to them, thus they quickly take over every online 'community' they can, encouraged by the entire culture rewarding them for being obsessive vanguards who follow the narrative. That's fine, we all need our places to congregate. But as the internet forums and social media are quickly becoming the primary and ONLY place to communicate, then in my opinion, it is a problem. One demonstrated by the resulting cesspit echo chambers and divisive bickering much of (gaming) social media has come to be recognised as. In their current form and usage, these places are a social failure, and should NOT be taken seriously as a genuine reflection of broader society and opinion. Online spaces should be recognised as being very attractive to, and thus dominated by, a very particular type of person who has a higher chance of being socially maladjusted and obsessively destructive to themselves and those around them. By no means am I saying such individuals are irredeemable, far from it. Only that we stop pretending we can maintain genuinely diverse, healthy social spaces online without replacing any of the natural filtering processes we have relied on since time immemorial. We can't. A forum designed to hide, pretend and avoid by default will be strongly attractive to those frequently inclined to this behaviour in the long-term. And it's absolutely valid to seriously question why they are inclined that way to begin with. Because be honest, how often are such inclinations indicators of wholesome, healthy social states...? Seldomly, at best.
This is such an important video that I just happened to stumble on while looking for reviews of VR mech games. So many people need to hear this, this is exactly the sort of conversation we should be having right now. This really made me introspect how I view online socialization. The problematic tendencies I see, and why I can feel so alone on the internet, an outsider, drifting through niche 'communities' that feel alienating, both hyper focused and shallow. A series of in-groups that often interact in ways that people do not act in real life, which if are your primary form of social interaction, can leave you wholly disconnected from the real world, or developing poor socialization skills when interacting with actual people. Social media sites that actively attempt to encourage drama and infighting as a way to increase engagement with the platform by the way content is prioritized, bringing out the most toxic traits in people, turning all interactions hostile. Promoted 'influencers' garnering teams of fans, brigading other content creators or groups. This sort of behaviour seems inherently human, but I really do think we need to take a step back and look at the way we are interacting with the internet and how it is affecting us socially
ive been trying to improve myself with arguing fairly and being generally kinder on the internet after i realized just how hostile the internet is to people who dont have the exact opinion everyone was told to have.
This video also reminded me how i despise when people talk in plural about things They don't like, when commenting on various features or gameplay in general. The type of comment saying "Nobody likes this" or from an older release saying "Everyone hated that". Unless a certain game is totally destroyed in comments, reviews and the internet discussions about how awful it might be, there never an "everyone" or "nobody" of something. I feel those are just people who want someone to desperately agree with them, like those who ask the age old cringe question "Am i the only one that does X ?".
Well, VR is a small market. Therefore the majority of marketing is done through social media. But since you can only have visibility on social media by already having a supporting community, you need to start building this before finishing the game. So now you have a group that spends years liking your posts... And on release the game sucked, but no-one of this group can say this without feeling dumb... So they tow the line across the internet that the game is good if the players imagine it is. And pile on smaller objective critics, who are also risking bad visibility by the dislikes of this horde. So I guess the tl;dr is "both" 😅
Most truly free places cannot be diverse, as the most exclusive (as im excluding others) opinions will be prevalent, simply by making the people who are discomforted by them leave, and without arbitration it will turn into a shouting match, so moderated communities have often more diverse opinions than unmoderated ones. Even if you have an all opinion welcome group, you'll have a selection bias of only people willing to discuss and ignore the filth, it cannot be truly inclusive by nature. But in most open communities the only ones being explicitly excluded are people who think it's funny to shit on everybody's dinner.
Well put, I definitely think we have a tendency to think we are somehow better or more educated that previous generations, whilst partially true to an extent, we're not exactly educated on the most important life skills and knowledge in school. As for splitting into groups, it's something natural that can now be demonised in a society that tries to promote inclusivity for all regardless of what each individual is comfortable with. I firmly believe on judging people based on their own individual merits, but at the same time it's completely fine to want an all men or all women group if that's what makes everyone in the group more comfortable to naturally express themselves without fear of judgement.
Yeah I agree with this take. I think its best people group up with people who they are similar to. Its only natural. Of course, I think people should be encouraged to get out of their comfort zones and talk to people who they dont usually talk to, but nobody should be forced to do that. The important part seems to be that we shouldnt *act* like we somehow solved tribalism and that the internet is just this utopian ball of diversity.
This is some deep insight into the social dynamics on the Internet and the effects it has on society as a whole. It's something I've been thinking about for a while, as a software engineer, and I'm more and more pessimistic about. We are simply not designed to interact without our physical forms over long distance, which is why it is so easy being a total dickwad online that in person. Additionally, focusing so much on creating communities around topics is why the tribalistic nature arises, where in the real world I see you as a person first, with a physical and emotional presence, and your hobby is just a small facet of yourself. In fact, this would be such a fun topic to get into in person or outside the bounds of social media, while here it will remain an anonymous footnote for no one to see.
one time on reddit i said something along the lines of "deadlock could be good, but in my opinion, they should focus on making a secure anti-cheat that could fix the hacking and botting issues in tf2 and cs2" and got downvoted into oblivion.
If I'm being facetious, "trust the video guy with a deep voice, he's obviously correct" That's also often a sort of cult-like behavior in asymmetric social media like UA-cam, where the person making the video is instantly more correct, especially if they state their opinion as fact. I think this video does a good job at not doing that by insulting the vewer by proxy, as being part of a cult is viewed as a negative.
Mhm, it's a phenomenon subconsciously instilled in us through generations perhaps, that anyone who has a public platform to express themselves should instantly be given more credence or authority. Rather than just being a random guy who has gone through no vetting or approval of any kind by wiser minds to gain this stage, who is throwing his thoughts out publicly and hoping they resonate somewhere and have value. Aka, Me :-) Makes sense why it’s so hard to shake that reflex or even be aware of it. Considering our history, if someone had a public stage for any length of time, it was usually for good reason, and that reason being they’re superior to you or me in whatever context that is. Future generations will eventually adapt as this kind of platform is more and more normalised.
@@MrVRVoice and tbh being an expert in the field doesn't necessarily make people correct either, and there's often entrenchement, as people in position of authority are often subconsciously seen as weaker if they admit to be wrong, and they will often lie or move the goalpost instead of admitting to be wrong (either on purpose or not thinking about it)
Most discord servers I'm active on don't have any sort of false pretenses, it goes from just don't get the server banned to "this is our community and we don't have to keep anyone" but I've never seen one that's hypocrite about it. Usually the people getting banned are people actively being assholes, I think calling it cult like is very reductive. It doesn't include everyone obviously because of selection bias, where the only people participating are english speakers that have an internet access, but as far as diversity of opinion it is pretty diverse. If you remove someone shitting on the floor while spewing profanity in a mall is that mall suddenly a cult? Having loud people that disagree with you is different from your opinion not being allowed to be expressed.
As a gentleman of wholesome talent as myself, I do say that you have quite the charismatic and charming voice! I subscribed and I hope to see some more wonderful content soon. Please do continue to make such fantastic videos.
I think you're not far off but a bit misguided in your reasoning. So yes humans are abysmally terrible at handling large spaces but here's the thing about tribes... they weren't social clubs they were families. People formed tribes more because of adjacency than anything else, compatibility concerns only really came up when they threatened cohesion. I find VRChat really cool as a platform because I meet people through shared space and not shared interest, and when deciding whether I want to be friends with a person my primary principle is just how they make me feel. That is human tribalism at its most natural, powerful bonds forged by mere circumstance. I don't think you're saying we should organize our society based on what video games we like but I hope I don't have to tell you why that'll result in more conflict, arbitrary divisions beget more arbitrary devisions. The other thing is, I don't think I've ever seen diversity talked about as the state of the internet but more an ideal worth pursuing. Here's an example: language. Language literally shapes the way we view the world. English tends to favor at least a facade of egalitarianism and neutrality, Japanese is relative to situation and your relationship to the people you're talking to. Both have advantages and disadvantages but only by having a point of comparison can we even begin to understand the way our basic language structure shapes our society and ourselves.
Appreciate your write up. Few things I wanted to clarify and ask in response: Tribes being a family dynamic is something innately implied, and I thought generally well-understood. So I didn’t feel it necessary to state that. And I’ve no quarrel with how you state they formed. Your sentiment on VRChat is something I disagree with based upon my own experience and preferences. I spent several hours traversing lobbies and while the public environments there are shared neutral spaces for the most part, the occupants normally were not diverse in presentation or behaviour. Overwhelmingly it was anime, furry and meme pop culture avatars being manned by teens, kids and university-age individuals who often would be talking using buzzwords and talking points in an eerily similar fashion, combined with an extremely frequent hyper-sexualisation of their avatars and/or behaviour, which I personally find very dull and one-dimensional, though I understand when you’re younger one is very horny, fine, and I’ve nothing against such things, but basing your whole identity and interactions all around sexuality, which was very common to find in my time spent there, is very very very boring to me, like it’s a substitute for an actual personality. It was very hard, not impossible, but very hard, to find a non-extreme group of people to interact with during my time there. Unless I’m massively out of date (could be), I think VRChat is an example to support me rather than you. I don’t think it’s out of line to say the public places there heavily lean toward the type of people I mentioned. And I’m very happy they, and you, have such a space, genuinely, it’s great! But the cost is for people like myself who prefer to meet and chat without the extreme fetishistic behaviours being thrust in my face so often, well, it’s hard going. But that’s ok! Yes of course I don’t think we should be divided in the way you mention. Goes without saying. The main point was to lead toward highlighting how so many divisions are already rife in the ways I said, yet we act as if that’s not happening. I already mentioned the internet being a global stage is an implied factor, not often directly stated. In regards to what you said about language affecting the way we think, absolutely, I’m right there with you. Much of what we think is innate or natural about our thinking, preferences and behaviour is actually cultural and informed by how our language is arranged to let us think. I learnt this directly and profoundly when spending eight years living in China. A world apart in so many ways from the west. I cut a section from the script talking about how the internet is already deeply segregated based upon language, for the sake of flow and brevity, condensing it down into mention of the “English speaking internet culture” in the first video, and then mentioning it being based upon “root language” in this one. Thanks very much for your input 🙏🏻
@@MrVRVoice Can I just say thank you for your thoughtful write up too, the internet kind of conditions you to respect reactance rather than thoughtful response... but then again that was a big part of your argument in the video if I'm not mistaken. I agree with a lot of what you have to say, I just felt that there might be a part missing about what we should do about it. But there's an implication I think I ignored, a lot of social media sites produce an illusion of universality when most people are being served content to fit limited niches with a lot of overlap in membership. As far as VRChat goes... public worlds are not a great first impression. The general community is very gen-Z heavy and filled with a lot of the people you described... but public worlds are where people go to get up to shenanigans. That being said, I think at it's best VRChat a proof of concept for a more intimate and humanistic way of interacting with the internet. You meet people mostly through other people rather than shared interest. I think as headsets and user experience get less toy-like you'll find more people not... internet poisoned. (basically everyone from gen-z including myself)
@aryjarvis3161 Most welcome, it’s how a non-internet exchange would typically go, right? 🙂 I deliberately avoided suggestions on what to do about it as stated in my prior video. I’m one man with a very limited perspective, my goal was to put a spotlight on the hypocrisy. Hope of actual solutions would require proper unified communal input. It just occurred to me that I forgot to ask you something in my prior reply. You said my reasoning was misguided, so where in your opinion should one’s reasoning be guided towards?
@@MrVRVoice I think my take at the time of writing my first post was that you were lamenting the way online communities develop but didn't think there was anything to be done about it. I don't think it was intentional now but it reminded me of everything on the internet that seems to want to make you angry but never tell you anything you can do about it. Maybe it's the fact that the ideas you were talking about were familiar to me, and I have spent a lot of time trying to think about solutions to the problems you outlined. So, I think I meant it was misguided in that the last thing the internet needs is more nihilistic grandstanding about hypocrisy and groupthink. Maybe a bit uncharitable of a take but in my experience that's a common direction these conversations go.
See I dont know if VR Chat is a great example here. Maybe its just because my own biases are opposed to it but I have noticed VR Chat in general tends to be its own kind of bubble. I suppose when you arent in a public lobby. Even then it, as the video explains forms its own bubbles in a way. I guess that's why you get the private communities that happen... Basically, I dont see diversity there, because if it was diverse wouldnt I see someone at least kind of like me? Instead in order to really play it I kind of have to put on a mask and conform... Like VR Voice said, VR Chat definitely proves his point rather than acting against it. In my opinion there just isnt a solution here. I think the best diversity is to let there be different kinds of communities, even if some groups dont like other groups gathering. You know, as long as it doesnt get illegal. Generally encourage people to mingle with people who are different to themselves (as a society) but allow for spaces of whatever groups want to form. Its not perfect but neither is life.
By saying "Oh, these online communities hate dissenters, you're only allowed to have one opinion!" but not explaining what that opinion is, you leave a lot of wiggle room, whether that opinion is pineapple on pizza or that certain ethnic groups are inferior and should be eliminated from the global population by force, for example. Generalizing all speech as simply "opinions" does not really paint a full picture of why freedom of speech is important in the first place. Am i a "hypocrite" for wanting to see many different opinions and viewpoints and value freedom of speech, but don't want to see the viewpoint of the guy who really likes talking about for example the Cambodian Genocide? If this guy walks up to me and just starts reading out loud about dudes getting their heads cut open and being thrown into mass graves, the highly specific ways their body parts were played with by the soldiers after death, and how they deserved it and his opinions of what groups that should be done to today, is he entitled to stay in the community? Am i just being a snowflake for telling that guy he's gross? What does he contribute to the marketplace of ideas, exactly? Surely this man is no threat to me of course, but he doesnt really engage in conversation that makes peoples day better either. am i being intolerant for not wanting that guy around? What about the guy who yells fire in a movie theatre? does walking into a movie theatre and yelling "fire", or walking onto a plane and yelling "Bomb" enrich the information space and lead to valuable discussion?
i really really really agree with this ive seen about 10 different videos with the EXACT same premise and wording as this from 10 different content creators and they all NEVER clarify exactly what theyre talking about as if theyre terrified of whatever boogieman theyre vaguely alluding to will come after them its getting annoying at this point like are you talking about nazis? 13 year olds? people who dont pick up on social ques? anybody whos even slightly political or opinionated at all? all of them? lack of clarification on this just makes it very hard to agree with what hes saying here
The argument of "you must have the correct opinion or you are not welcome" is most often adopted by those attempting to spread bigotry or intolerance under the guise of "freedom to opinion" If you have intolerant views on life, regardless if you think you're right or not, you will be excluded. A group cannot tolerate intolerance. This example you provided, along with your focus on labeling online communities as cults, makes this seem more like 11 minutes of whining than anything worthwhile. Especially from a VR channel
Very much disagree StormStricke. I don’t know who you really are and have no sense of you, so my words to follow are based upon the shaky assumption that you are a mature non-indoctrinated open-minded adult (30+ years old) capable of self-reflection: I’d suggest you employ some serious introspection of the motivation and choices of words you’ve used here. Your tone reeks of the very trendy hypocrisy-of-the-moment I highlighted in this video. You strawman my meanings into a weak reductive summary, taking them to black or white extremes despite my wording not touching on absolutes whatsoever, while ignoring the important nuance and not bothering to contextualise any of your critique. Your reply is lazy and automatically/dogmatically dismissive, and intolerant. We all know how useless and divisive further text-based discussion would be here, so I’ll no longer engage with you further via this medium, but I’m happy to voice chat sometime if you wish to continue, at least then I can get a sense of who I’m dealing with maturity-wise and your truer nature behind the words. And if it turns out you’re a late-teen or early uni student-aged individual living in their extremely closed off bubble, then your message here doesn’t surprise me in the least. All the best.
@@MrVRVoice this is a fallacy fallacy! they "strawman"d your argument into something weak and reductive because it IS weak and reductive you say absolutely nothing of value in this video beyond "human tribe mentality bad" and on top of that you just go straight to using their age and maturity as a form of ad hominem instead of addressing ANYTHING they said in their comment here the thing is this IS an argument used by intolerant people to excuse their intolerant opinions which isnt helping your super vague wording here all in all this is a VERY very VERY subjective take from you and on top of that you worded everything in the video SUPER insanely vague yet act surprised and even condescending when people take it wrong? seems to me like you cant handle criticism unless its handed to you on a silver and gold lined platter with music playing in the background ...maybe stick to vr takes?
@@komossr Firstly, I didn’t just say “tribe mentality bad”, it has a very powerful and natural function for us but in the case of this video I bring attention to the conflict tribal mentality has with the implied environment of the internet. ‘You say absolutely nothing of value” - Ok, to you I don’t. But others seem to have found value. …And then? Value relative to what? Where do we go from here…? “you just go straight to using their age and maturity as a form of ad hominem” I think you should double check the meaning of ad hominem. Age and maturity absolutely ARE important, logical, reasonable factors in knowing how best to gauge a person, we do it all the time, mental maturity matters A. LOT. when forming a judgement on how to interact and how seriously we take that interaction. This is NOT intolerance, it is basic, naturalistic, common sense! And is why we typically, historically, have recognised age-gained wisdom and maturity gleamed from a well-rounded life experience as desirable prerequisites for roles of responsibility and power. Here on the internet lacking basically all of the intuited information we gain from seeing, hearing and sensing the person (I have NO idea, komossr, who you actually are and what to make of you beyond this text. None! Yet you do of me, is that fair?)…all I can go off are the choice of text structure and chosen vocab and how that correlates with patterns which link commonly to personality types, correlating then to the age and maturity of those who tend congregate around such groups and narratives. Does it mean I’m always accurate, even half the time? Of course not. I see nothing wrong with identifying that a likely-possessed person is unoriginally regurgitating trending buzzwords and narratives in a very predictable reflexive manner, and using that as a decent basis to assume the probable demographic and/or ideology they fall into, if any. This is why I would predict you also *likely* fall into the younger 20’s university type demographic, immersed in the trendy-internet-world-view-of-the-moment, based upon your choice and tone of words here and in other replies. Am I wrong? I certainly could and am willing to be. By the way, I am absolutely not implying you are of bad character or unintelligent, not at all. Just that there are clear commonly-observed correlations between that age group and the subtleties of how you worded yourself. “all in all this is a VERY very VERY subjective and vague…” - And this retort is utterly utterly UTTERLY flaccid, useless, thoughtless and redundant in any form of debate or exchange of ideas. Every. Single. Feeling. Or. Perspective. We. Have. Is. Inherently. Subjective. It’s *so* thoughtless and flaccid because it implies that we are capable of expressing our ‘perspectives’ objectively. We cannot. No one possesses true objective perception from the very obvious limits we have as living organisms bound to the plane of sensory capabilities. To imply or automatically believe that I delivered my *perspectives* in this video as objective fact, as a means for you to invalidate them, is dumb, very dumb. Do I really need to explain this…? How you feel, what you think, what things mean to you, how you sense them, you already *should* know from the act of being alive, is forever shifting and never constant. Today’s ‘truth’ in your eyes may very well be tomorrow’s farce depending on the experiences you have and how they’re assimilated into meaning. Everything we express and perceive is subjective, hence why we have…variable communication and words! All any of us can ever do is express our subjectivities as best we can with others and see how much they do or don’t resonate. That’s it. Don’t be a fool and think anyone ever actually has an objective take on anything. You don’t, I don’t, and anyone who claims they do is an eventual tyrant waiting to happen. We can though, still hold strong opinions and be confident about things while retaining awareness of the implied subjectivity factor to keep ourselves forever open to recognising compelling enough perspectives from others, that we can adjust our own accordingly. As for it being vague to you. I don’t know everything, I don’t have all the answers, all is nuanced and ever-shifting, and for the sake of brevity and respecting the intelligence of the audience, I assume you already understand that. I presented my perspective, how you assimilate that is up to you. I’m not here to tell you what to think. Be original and do that yourself.
@@MrVRVoice having a frustrating time with youtube comments right now it keeps deleting my whole reply while im writing so ill keep this very short i did not mean subjective in the proper way it should be used that was an error on my part where im raised its used as an antonym to clear i basically said the same words twice in different ways hope that helps i dont care that you gauge peoples ages off tone and word choice everybody does that i was more so focused on the way you made the brunt of your argument about their maturity and wisdom instead of correcting the miscommunication/misunderstanding a quick "im talking about x not y like you think" wouldve sufficed perfectly and saved us both a few minutes of typing the only thing i really have a problem with about the video is that its vague and sort of impossible to grasp whether or not you intended it to be politically charged or not and when asked/questioned/confronted about it you dodge the question i think your vr videos are cool and i love gaming as a whole but ive seen alot of cool gaming content creators go down the shithole of anti sjw garbage and want to make sure the people im supporting through my viewership arent bad people i assume the original commenter and most of the people sharing negative/neutral criticism on this video share the same sentiment and i hope thats understandable to you
0:10 well that was... very correct. I feel called out. But yes. 1:14 I do see a lot of bubbles. But its not like you cant sort of move about bubbles, jump into ones you wherent invited to. Unless youre on reddit or something similar where you get banned for not conforming... But basically its more than possible to *interact* with any walk of life you can think of... People just dont often do that. 2:12 see that's the thing about the internet is you dont *have to* always. Its a country witch... well I cant say its less strict but I suppose its easier to fake being aligned with. 2:30 this is something I try to constantly avoid myself. I mean I am a nintendo guy but I dont want that to be the core of my identity. No that would be my religion. 3:37 I know that most of the internet hates it when I say this but I have noticed a lot of parallels to cults with the entire trans ideology. I mean name changes is a classic cult tactic. 4:10 yeah see I do both. Depends on the context, when im Yipper64 I dont care how unwelcome im made to be, im being myself. When I am... well im not gonna say it here, but when im my other account, I conform, at least to some extent. 5:10 I am self aware enough to know that I do desire that kind of validation. There are times when im digging too deep into the opinions of people I disagree with and start to feel kind of stressed and need to be reminded that there's actually a lot of people that agree with me, and you know, im not crazy. Which of course, usually comes from touching grass and spending some time in the country of the real world for a bit. 8:00 this is why most of my foundation for my beliefs on my faith. Yes it can happen to us today, lets go with what is true and has been true since the dawn of time. Unchanging God. Im a Christian to make that clear. And no im not going to act like I am so confident because there is absolutely no gaps or way that I could be wrong... Its just everyone has a bit of faith to their position, and given historical evidence plus, idk it just makes the most sense in a way, this is what I believe.
calling yourself a christian and then calling the entire practice of name changing cultlike, dismissing an entire group of people by calling them an ideology is a little insane lets take a step back for a moment and really think about the shit you just said you just dehumanized an entire group of people solely because they change their name...??? people change their names tons for a variety of reasons; trauma they survived with their name that theyd like to distance themselves from, just straight up not liking their birthname, super famous celebrity with the same name, etc im not going to come up here and say you dont know your own faith but its very important to remember that jesus taught love acceptance patience and going out of his way to understand the people around him (which were MAINLY sinners) above ALL if you really think its godly to call a minority group under active persecution a cult then by all means i think you should really rethink how you think of god jesus and the holy spirit as a trans person who grew up christian i dont care if you dont believe that gender dysphoria exists i ask that you literally just see us as humans rather than an ideology or belief system or cult because thats fucking stupid very frankly and falling into the tribalistic anti anything different way of thinking that the dude in the video is talking about in the first place as a final note do not take my vulgarity as a sign of disrespect thats just how i talk
I never quite understood why dead names were such a big deal. I mean I'm not enougu of a dick to say someone's dead name not because it's inherently bad, but because I know that it will likely cause actual emotional stress even if I don't understand why. But personally , and I believe logically, shouldn't the end goal be to accept ALL of yourself? Including who you were before your transition? That said, people shouldn't be beholden to their past like cancel culture often abuses but I don't think the default attitude to dead names (more generally, one's past) should be to treat it as taboo.
@@krayne2084 it really depends on the person generally speaking not everyone (including trans people) can be so self accepting to understand why deadnames hold so much weight to other trans people you need to understand what dysphoria is and feels like on a fundamental level usually deadnames have the trauma that comes with living as the gender you dont see yourself as the reason its treated as taboo is because deadnames are used EXCLUSIVELY as an aggressive form of attack or an unwillingness to change (both of which are bad and harmful for society and the individual) personally speaking i dont like getting deadnamed because not only is it a sign of heavy ignorance, lacking intelligence, and disrespect but it just tells me that person is latching onto an old version of myself that no longer exists and likely wont adapt to future changes that hold more weight either (example; basic boundaries that i ask them to adhere to) so its more of a what the offender is thinking and how that relates to me rather than how it makes *me* feel dysphoria wise if that makes sense but thats just me and i have a way of thinking of even emotional situations in a logical way like i just described so obviously thats not what EVERY other trans person feels
@@komossr FYI apparently Gender Dysphoria is a specific type of Dysphoria. I was slightly confused when I looked up Dysphoria and got "A general sense of unease". But Gender Dysphoria being "A sense of unease due to the incongruence between your gender identity and biological sex" seems a lot more relevant, just for the next time you want to inform someone that's inguiring you might want to specify Gender Dysphoria (thanks for explaining so politely BTW). I will admit that due to a lack of first-hand experience, I cannot personally understand how Gender Dysphoria could lead to actual trauma, but I'm still willing to respect someone's boundaries if they tell me they don't want to be called something. I still believe that the ideal is that you should learn to accept all of yourself including your past, no matter how traumatic it is since even if you don't it'll still have an effect on who you are. Easier said than done obviously but I still think it should be said.
OH HELLO THERE!
Let's face it, the internet communities around gaming culture are prime breeding grounds for unhealthily obsessive power nerds who base their whole existence and meaning around a consumer product...mixed in with immature and/or socially inept individuals of various ages, likely more-so kids, teens and the maladjusted sociopaths. All those types who previously when met in normal ways, reasonable mature folk could quickly and safely identify so not to take them seriously, but can now hide behind the anonymity afforded to them online and have free reign to drag everything down, while non-sociopath considerate people never have enough information to infer ill-intent, and of course a decent person would not want to think the worst of someone without fair judgement...But that judgement can almost never happen when we know nothing about the speaker except their username and text. So no one can ever be sure on how to react to them, thus they quickly take over every online 'community' they can, encouraged by the entire culture rewarding them for being obsessive vanguards who follow the narrative.
That's fine, we all need our places to congregate. But as the internet forums and social media are quickly becoming the primary and ONLY place to communicate, then in my opinion, it is a problem. One demonstrated by the resulting cesspit echo chambers and divisive bickering much of (gaming) social media has come to be recognised as.
In their current form and usage, these places are a social failure, and should NOT be taken seriously as a genuine reflection of broader society and opinion. Online spaces should be recognised as being very attractive to, and thus dominated by, a very particular type of person who has a higher chance of being socially maladjusted and obsessively destructive to themselves and those around them.
By no means am I saying such individuals are irredeemable, far from it. Only that we stop pretending we can maintain genuinely diverse, healthy social spaces online without replacing any of the natural filtering processes we have relied on since time immemorial. We can't.
A forum designed to hide, pretend and avoid by default will be strongly attractive to those frequently inclined to this behaviour in the long-term. And it's absolutely valid to seriously question why they are inclined that way to begin with. Because be honest, how often are such inclinations indicators of wholesome, healthy social states...? Seldomly, at best.
This is such an important video that I just happened to stumble on while looking for reviews of VR mech games. So many people need to hear this, this is exactly the sort of conversation we should be having right now. This really made me introspect how I view online socialization. The problematic tendencies I see, and why I can feel so alone on the internet, an outsider, drifting through niche 'communities' that feel alienating, both hyper focused and shallow. A series of in-groups that often interact in ways that people do not act in real life, which if are your primary form of social interaction, can leave you wholly disconnected from the real world, or developing poor socialization skills when interacting with actual people. Social media sites that actively attempt to encourage drama and infighting as a way to increase engagement with the platform by the way content is prioritized, bringing out the most toxic traits in people, turning all interactions hostile. Promoted 'influencers' garnering teams of fans, brigading other content creators or groups. This sort of behaviour seems inherently human, but I really do think we need to take a step back and look at the way we are interacting with the internet and how it is affecting us socially
Beautifully written.
ive been trying to improve myself with arguing fairly and being generally kinder on the internet after i realized just how hostile the internet is to people who dont have the exact opinion everyone was told to have.
the worst thing about vr is that if you dont have friends you will be engaging every game like its day care.
This video also reminded me how i despise when people talk in plural about things They don't like, when commenting on various features or gameplay in general. The type of comment saying "Nobody likes this" or from an older release saying "Everyone hated that". Unless a certain game is totally destroyed in comments, reviews and the internet discussions about how awful it might be, there never an "everyone" or "nobody" of something. I feel those are just people who want someone to desperately agree with them, like those who ask the age old cringe question "Am i the only one that does X ?".
so is this a vr gaming channel or a philosophy channel?
either way, i dont really find myself disagreeing with anything here.
Well, VR is a small market. Therefore the majority of marketing is done through social media. But since you can only have visibility on social media by already having a supporting community, you need to start building this before finishing the game. So now you have a group that spends years liking your posts... And on release the game sucked, but no-one of this group can say this without feeling dumb... So they tow the line across the internet that the game is good if the players imagine it is. And pile on smaller objective critics, who are also risking bad visibility by the dislikes of this horde.
So I guess the tl;dr is "both" 😅
Most truly free places cannot be diverse, as the most exclusive (as im excluding others) opinions will be prevalent, simply by making the people who are discomforted by them leave, and without arbitration it will turn into a shouting match, so moderated communities have often more diverse opinions than unmoderated ones.
Even if you have an all opinion welcome group, you'll have a selection bias of only people willing to discuss and ignore the filth, it cannot be truly inclusive by nature.
But in most open communities the only ones being explicitly excluded are people who think it's funny to shit on everybody's dinner.
Well put, I definitely think we have a tendency to think we are somehow better or more educated that previous generations, whilst partially true to an extent, we're not exactly educated on the most important life skills and knowledge in school.
As for splitting into groups, it's something natural that can now be demonised in a society that tries to promote inclusivity for all regardless of what each individual is comfortable with. I firmly believe on judging people based on their own individual merits, but at the same time it's completely fine to want an all men or all women group if that's what makes everyone in the group more comfortable to naturally express themselves without fear of judgement.
Yeah I agree with this take. I think its best people group up with people who they are similar to. Its only natural. Of course, I think people should be encouraged to get out of their comfort zones and talk to people who they dont usually talk to, but nobody should be forced to do that.
The important part seems to be that we shouldnt *act* like we somehow solved tribalism and that the internet is just this utopian ball of diversity.
This is some deep insight into the social dynamics on the Internet and the effects it has on society as a whole. It's something I've been thinking about for a while, as a software engineer, and I'm more and more pessimistic about. We are simply not designed to interact without our physical forms over long distance, which is why it is so easy being a total dickwad online that in person. Additionally, focusing so much on creating communities around topics is why the tribalistic nature arises, where in the real world I see you as a person first, with a physical and emotional presence, and your hobby is just a small facet of yourself. In fact, this would be such a fun topic to get into in person or outside the bounds of social media, while here it will remain an anonymous footnote for no one to see.
one time on reddit i said something along the lines of "deadlock could be good, but in my opinion, they should focus on making a secure anti-cheat that could fix the hacking and botting issues in tf2 and cs2" and got downvoted into oblivion.
If I'm being facetious, "trust the video guy with a deep voice, he's obviously correct"
That's also often a sort of cult-like behavior in asymmetric social media like UA-cam, where the person making the video is instantly more correct, especially if they state their opinion as fact.
I think this video does a good job at not doing that by insulting the vewer by proxy, as being part of a cult is viewed as a negative.
Mhm, it's a phenomenon subconsciously instilled in us through generations perhaps, that anyone who has a public platform to express themselves should instantly be given more credence or authority. Rather than just being a random guy who has gone through no vetting or approval of any kind by wiser minds to gain this stage, who is throwing his thoughts out publicly and hoping they resonate somewhere and have value. Aka, Me :-)
Makes sense why it’s so hard to shake that reflex or even be aware of it. Considering our history, if someone had a public stage for any length of time, it was usually for good reason, and that reason being they’re superior to you or me in whatever context that is. Future generations will eventually adapt as this kind of platform is more and more normalised.
@@MrVRVoice and tbh being an expert in the field doesn't necessarily make people correct either, and there's often entrenchement, as people in position of authority are often subconsciously seen as weaker if they admit to be wrong, and they will often lie or move the goalpost instead of admitting to be wrong (either on purpose or not thinking about it)
2 videos ? you on a roll ^^
love it brother
Most discord servers I'm active on don't have any sort of false pretenses, it goes from just don't get the server banned to "this is our community and we don't have to keep anyone" but I've never seen one that's hypocrite about it. Usually the
people getting banned are people actively being assholes, I think calling it cult like is very reductive.
It doesn't include everyone obviously because of selection bias, where the only people participating are english speakers that have an internet access, but as far as diversity of opinion it is pretty diverse.
If you remove someone shitting on the floor while spewing profanity in a mall is that mall suddenly a cult?
Having loud people that disagree with you is different from your opinion not being allowed to be expressed.
As a gentleman of wholesome talent as myself, I do say that you have quite the charismatic and charming voice! I subscribed and I hope to see some more wonderful content soon. Please do continue to make such fantastic videos.
I think you're not far off but a bit misguided in your reasoning. So yes humans are abysmally terrible at handling large spaces but here's the thing about tribes... they weren't social clubs they were families. People formed tribes more because of adjacency than anything else, compatibility concerns only really came up when they threatened cohesion. I find VRChat really cool as a platform because I meet people through shared space and not shared interest, and when deciding whether I want to be friends with a person my primary principle is just how they make me feel. That is human tribalism at its most natural, powerful bonds forged by mere circumstance. I don't think you're saying we should organize our society based on what video games we like but I hope I don't have to tell you why that'll result in more conflict, arbitrary divisions beget more arbitrary devisions.
The other thing is, I don't think I've ever seen diversity talked about as the state of the internet but more an ideal worth pursuing. Here's an example: language. Language literally shapes the way we view the world. English tends to favor at least a facade of egalitarianism and neutrality, Japanese is relative to situation and your relationship to the people you're talking to. Both have advantages and disadvantages but only by having a point of comparison can we even begin to understand the way our basic language structure shapes our society and ourselves.
Appreciate your write up. Few things I wanted to clarify and ask in response:
Tribes being a family dynamic is something innately implied, and I thought generally well-understood. So I didn’t feel it necessary to state that. And I’ve no quarrel with how you state they formed.
Your sentiment on VRChat is something I disagree with based upon my own experience and preferences.
I spent several hours traversing lobbies and while the public environments there are shared neutral spaces for the most part, the occupants normally were not diverse in presentation or behaviour. Overwhelmingly it was anime, furry and meme pop culture avatars being manned by teens, kids and university-age individuals who often would be talking using buzzwords and talking points in an eerily similar fashion, combined with an extremely frequent hyper-sexualisation of their avatars and/or behaviour, which I personally find very dull and one-dimensional, though I understand when you’re younger one is very horny, fine, and I’ve nothing against such things, but basing your whole identity and interactions all around sexuality, which was very common to find in my time spent there, is very very very boring to me, like it’s a substitute for an actual personality.
It was very hard, not impossible, but very hard, to find a non-extreme group of people to interact with during my time there.
Unless I’m massively out of date (could be), I think VRChat is an example to support me rather than you. I don’t think it’s out of line to say the public places there heavily lean toward the type of people I mentioned. And I’m very happy they, and you, have such a space, genuinely, it’s great! But the cost is for people like myself who prefer to meet and chat without the extreme fetishistic behaviours being thrust in my face so often, well, it’s hard going. But that’s ok!
Yes of course I don’t think we should be divided in the way you mention. Goes without saying. The main point was to lead toward highlighting how so many divisions are already rife in the ways I said, yet we act as if that’s not happening.
I already mentioned the internet being a global stage is an implied factor, not often directly stated.
In regards to what you said about language affecting the way we think, absolutely, I’m right there with you. Much of what we think is innate or natural about our thinking, preferences and behaviour is actually cultural and informed by how our language is arranged to let us think. I learnt this directly and profoundly when spending eight years living in China. A world apart in so many ways from the west.
I cut a section from the script talking about how the internet is already deeply segregated based upon language, for the sake of flow and brevity, condensing it down into mention of the “English speaking internet culture” in the first video, and then mentioning it being based upon “root language” in this one.
Thanks very much for your input 🙏🏻
@@MrVRVoice Can I just say thank you for your thoughtful write up too, the internet kind of conditions you to respect reactance rather than thoughtful response... but then again that was a big part of your argument in the video if I'm not mistaken.
I agree with a lot of what you have to say, I just felt that there might be a part missing about what we should do about it. But there's an implication I think I ignored, a lot of social media sites produce an illusion of universality when most people are being served content to fit limited niches with a lot of overlap in membership.
As far as VRChat goes... public worlds are not a great first impression. The general community is very gen-Z heavy and filled with a lot of the people you described... but public worlds are where people go to get up to shenanigans. That being said, I think at it's best VRChat a proof of concept for a more intimate and humanistic way of interacting with the internet. You meet people mostly through other people rather than shared interest. I think as headsets and user experience get less toy-like you'll find more people not... internet poisoned. (basically everyone from gen-z including myself)
@aryjarvis3161 Most welcome, it’s how a non-internet exchange would typically go, right? 🙂
I deliberately avoided suggestions on what to do about it as stated in my prior video. I’m one man with a very limited perspective, my goal was to put a spotlight on the hypocrisy. Hope of actual solutions would require proper unified communal input.
It just occurred to me that I forgot to ask you something in my prior reply. You said my reasoning was misguided, so where in your opinion should one’s reasoning be guided towards?
@@MrVRVoice I think my take at the time of writing my first post was that you were lamenting the way online communities develop but didn't think there was anything to be done about it. I don't think it was intentional now but it reminded me of everything on the internet that seems to want to make you angry but never tell you anything you can do about it.
Maybe it's the fact that the ideas you were talking about were familiar to me, and I have spent a lot of time trying to think about solutions to the problems you outlined.
So, I think I meant it was misguided in that the last thing the internet needs is more nihilistic grandstanding about hypocrisy and groupthink. Maybe a bit uncharitable of a take but in my experience that's a common direction these conversations go.
See I dont know if VR Chat is a great example here. Maybe its just because my own biases are opposed to it but I have noticed VR Chat in general tends to be its own kind of bubble. I suppose when you arent in a public lobby. Even then it, as the video explains forms its own bubbles in a way. I guess that's why you get the private communities that happen...
Basically, I dont see diversity there, because if it was diverse wouldnt I see someone at least kind of like me? Instead in order to really play it I kind of have to put on a mask and conform... Like VR Voice said, VR Chat definitely proves his point rather than acting against it.
In my opinion there just isnt a solution here. I think the best diversity is to let there be different kinds of communities, even if some groups dont like other groups gathering. You know, as long as it doesnt get illegal. Generally encourage people to mingle with people who are different to themselves (as a society) but allow for spaces of whatever groups want to form.
Its not perfect but neither is life.
By saying "Oh, these online communities hate dissenters, you're only allowed to have one opinion!" but not explaining what that opinion is, you leave a lot of wiggle room, whether that opinion is pineapple on pizza or that certain ethnic groups are inferior and should be eliminated from the global population by force, for example. Generalizing all speech as simply "opinions" does not really paint a full picture of why freedom of speech is important in the first place.
Am i a "hypocrite" for wanting to see many different opinions and viewpoints and value freedom of speech, but don't want to see the viewpoint of the guy who really likes talking about for example the Cambodian Genocide? If this guy walks up to me and just starts reading out loud about dudes getting their heads cut open and being thrown into mass graves, the highly specific ways their body parts were played with by the soldiers after death, and how they deserved it and his opinions of what groups that should be done to today, is he entitled to stay in the community? Am i just being a snowflake for telling that guy he's gross? What does he contribute to the marketplace of ideas, exactly? Surely this man is no threat to me of course, but he doesnt really engage in conversation that makes peoples day better either.
am i being intolerant for not wanting that guy around? What about the guy who yells fire in a movie theatre? does walking into a movie theatre and yelling "fire", or walking onto a plane and yelling "Bomb" enrich the information space and lead to valuable discussion?
i really really really agree with this ive seen about 10 different videos with the EXACT same premise and wording as this from 10 different content creators and they all NEVER clarify exactly what theyre talking about as if theyre terrified of whatever boogieman theyre vaguely alluding to will come after them its getting annoying at this point like are you talking about nazis? 13 year olds? people who dont pick up on social ques? anybody whos even slightly political or opinionated at all? all of them? lack of clarification on this just makes it very hard to agree with what hes saying here
The argument of "you must have the correct opinion or you are not welcome" is most often adopted by those attempting to spread bigotry or intolerance under the guise of "freedom to opinion"
If you have intolerant views on life, regardless if you think you're right or not, you will be excluded. A group cannot tolerate intolerance.
This example you provided, along with your focus on labeling online communities as cults, makes this seem more like 11 minutes of whining than anything worthwhile. Especially from a VR channel
Very much disagree StormStricke. I don’t know who you really are and have no sense of you, so my words to follow are based upon the shaky assumption that you are a mature non-indoctrinated open-minded adult (30+ years old) capable of self-reflection:
I’d suggest you employ some serious introspection of the motivation and choices of words you’ve used here. Your tone reeks of the very trendy hypocrisy-of-the-moment I highlighted in this video. You strawman my meanings into a weak reductive summary, taking them to black or white extremes despite my wording not touching on absolutes whatsoever, while ignoring the important nuance and not bothering to contextualise any of your critique.
Your reply is lazy and automatically/dogmatically dismissive, and intolerant.
We all know how useless and divisive further text-based discussion would be here, so I’ll no longer engage with you further via this medium, but I’m happy to voice chat sometime if you wish to continue, at least then I can get a sense of who I’m dealing with maturity-wise and your truer nature behind the words. And if it turns out you’re a late-teen or early uni student-aged individual living in their extremely closed off bubble, then your message here doesn’t surprise me in the least.
All the best.
Yeah gotta take MrVRVoice's side here, you are dead wrong about this.
A cult cannot tolerate intolerance. A cult cannot tolerate alternative opinions.
@@MrVRVoice this is a fallacy fallacy! they "strawman"d your argument into something weak and reductive because it IS weak and reductive
you say absolutely nothing of value in this video beyond "human tribe mentality bad" and on top of that you just go straight to using their age and maturity as a form of ad hominem instead of addressing ANYTHING they said in their comment here
the thing is this IS an argument used by intolerant people to excuse their intolerant opinions which isnt helping your super vague wording here
all in all this is a VERY very VERY subjective take from you and on top of that you worded everything in the video SUPER insanely vague yet act surprised and even condescending when people take it wrong?
seems to me like you cant handle criticism unless its handed to you on a silver and gold lined platter with music playing in the background ...maybe stick to vr takes?
@@komossr
Firstly, I didn’t just say “tribe mentality bad”, it has a very powerful and natural function for us but in the case of this video I bring attention to the conflict tribal mentality has with the implied environment of the internet.
‘You say absolutely nothing of value”
- Ok, to you I don’t. But others seem to have found value. …And then? Value relative to what? Where do we go from here…?
“you just go straight to using their age and maturity as a form of ad hominem”
I think you should double check the meaning of ad hominem.
Age and maturity absolutely ARE important, logical, reasonable factors in knowing how best to gauge a person, we do it all the time, mental maturity matters A. LOT. when forming a judgement on how to interact and how seriously we take that interaction.
This is NOT intolerance, it is basic, naturalistic, common sense! And is why we typically, historically, have recognised age-gained wisdom and maturity gleamed from a well-rounded life experience as desirable prerequisites for roles of responsibility and power.
Here on the internet lacking basically all of the intuited information we gain from seeing, hearing and sensing the person (I have NO idea, komossr, who you actually are and what to make of you beyond this text. None! Yet you do of me, is that fair?)…all I can go off are the choice of text structure and chosen vocab and how that correlates with patterns which link commonly to personality types, correlating then to the age and maturity of those who tend congregate around such groups and narratives.
Does it mean I’m always accurate, even half the time? Of course not.
I see nothing wrong with identifying that a likely-possessed person is unoriginally regurgitating trending buzzwords and narratives in a very predictable reflexive manner, and using that as a decent basis to assume the probable demographic and/or ideology they fall into, if any.
This is why I would predict you also *likely* fall into the younger 20’s university type demographic, immersed in the trendy-internet-world-view-of-the-moment, based upon your choice and tone of words here and in other replies.
Am I wrong? I certainly could and am willing to be.
By the way, I am absolutely not implying you are of bad character or unintelligent, not at all. Just that there are clear commonly-observed correlations between that age group and the subtleties of how you worded yourself.
“all in all this is a VERY very VERY subjective and vague…”
- And this retort is utterly utterly UTTERLY flaccid, useless, thoughtless and redundant in any form of debate or exchange of ideas.
Every. Single. Feeling. Or. Perspective. We. Have. Is. Inherently. Subjective.
It’s *so* thoughtless and flaccid because it implies that we are capable of expressing our ‘perspectives’ objectively. We cannot. No one possesses true objective perception from the very obvious limits we have as living organisms bound to the plane of sensory capabilities. To imply or automatically believe that I delivered my *perspectives* in this video as objective fact, as a means for you to invalidate them, is dumb, very dumb. Do I really need to explain this…?
How you feel, what you think, what things mean to you, how you sense them, you already *should* know from the act of being alive, is forever shifting and never constant. Today’s ‘truth’ in your eyes may very well be tomorrow’s farce depending on the experiences you have and how they’re assimilated into meaning. Everything we express and perceive is subjective, hence why we have…variable communication and words!
All any of us can ever do is express our subjectivities as best we can with others and see how much they do or don’t resonate. That’s it. Don’t be a fool and think anyone ever actually has an objective take on anything. You don’t, I don’t, and anyone who claims they do is an eventual tyrant waiting to happen.
We can though, still hold strong opinions and be confident about things while retaining awareness of the implied subjectivity factor to keep ourselves forever open to recognising compelling enough perspectives from others, that we can adjust our own accordingly.
As for it being vague to you. I don’t know everything, I don’t have all the answers, all is nuanced and ever-shifting, and for the sake of brevity and respecting the intelligence of the audience, I assume you already understand that. I presented my perspective, how you assimilate that is up to you. I’m not here to tell you what to think. Be original and do that yourself.
@@MrVRVoice having a frustrating time with youtube comments right now it keeps deleting my whole reply while im writing so ill keep this very short
i did not mean subjective in the proper way it should be used that was an error on my part where im raised its used as an antonym to clear i basically said the same words twice in different ways hope that helps
i dont care that you gauge peoples ages off tone and word choice everybody does that
i was more so focused on the way you made the brunt of your argument about their maturity and wisdom instead of correcting the miscommunication/misunderstanding a quick "im talking about x not y like you think" wouldve sufficed perfectly and saved us both a few minutes of typing
the only thing i really have a problem with about the video is that its vague and sort of impossible to grasp whether or not you intended it to be politically charged or not and when asked/questioned/confronted about it you dodge the question
i think your vr videos are cool and i love gaming as a whole but ive seen alot of cool gaming content creators go down the shithole of anti sjw garbage and want to make sure the people im supporting through my viewership arent bad people i assume the original commenter and most of the people sharing negative/neutral criticism on this video share the same sentiment and i hope thats understandable to you
0:10 well that was... very correct. I feel called out. But yes.
1:14 I do see a lot of bubbles. But its not like you cant sort of move about bubbles, jump into ones you wherent invited to. Unless youre on reddit or something similar where you get banned for not conforming... But basically its more than possible to *interact* with any walk of life you can think of... People just dont often do that.
2:12 see that's the thing about the internet is you dont *have to* always. Its a country witch... well I cant say its less strict but I suppose its easier to fake being aligned with.
2:30 this is something I try to constantly avoid myself. I mean I am a nintendo guy but I dont want that to be the core of my identity. No that would be my religion.
3:37 I know that most of the internet hates it when I say this but I have noticed a lot of parallels to cults with the entire trans ideology. I mean name changes is a classic cult tactic.
4:10 yeah see I do both. Depends on the context, when im Yipper64 I dont care how unwelcome im made to be, im being myself. When I am... well im not gonna say it here, but when im my other account, I conform, at least to some extent.
5:10 I am self aware enough to know that I do desire that kind of validation. There are times when im digging too deep into the opinions of people I disagree with and start to feel kind of stressed and need to be reminded that there's actually a lot of people that agree with me, and you know, im not crazy. Which of course, usually comes from touching grass and spending some time in the country of the real world for a bit.
8:00 this is why most of my foundation for my beliefs on my faith. Yes it can happen to us today, lets go with what is true and has been true since the dawn of time. Unchanging God. Im a Christian to make that clear. And no im not going to act like I am so confident because there is absolutely no gaps or way that I could be wrong... Its just everyone has a bit of faith to their position, and given historical evidence plus, idk it just makes the most sense in a way, this is what I believe.
calling yourself a christian and then calling the entire practice of name changing cultlike, dismissing an entire group of people by calling them an ideology is a little insane
lets take a step back for a moment and really think about the shit you just said
you just dehumanized an entire group of people solely because they change their name...??? people change their names tons for a variety of reasons; trauma they survived with their name that theyd like to distance themselves from, just straight up not liking their birthname, super famous celebrity with the same name, etc
im not going to come up here and say you dont know your own faith but its very important to remember that jesus taught love acceptance patience and going out of his way to understand the people around him (which were MAINLY sinners) above ALL if you really think its godly to call a minority group under active persecution a cult then by all means i think you should really rethink how you think of god jesus and the holy spirit
as a trans person who grew up christian i dont care if you dont believe that gender dysphoria exists i ask that you literally just see us as humans rather than an ideology or belief system or cult because thats fucking stupid very frankly and falling into the tribalistic anti anything different way of thinking that the dude in the video is talking about in the first place
as a final note do not take my vulgarity as a sign of disrespect thats just how i talk
@@komossr I came here to say the exact same thing.
Thank you for saying it first.
I never quite understood why dead names were such a big deal. I mean I'm not enougu of a dick to say someone's dead name not because it's inherently bad, but because I know that it will likely cause actual emotional stress even if I don't understand why.
But personally , and I believe logically, shouldn't the end goal be to accept ALL of yourself? Including who you were before your transition? That said, people shouldn't be beholden to their past like cancel culture often abuses but I don't think the default attitude to dead names (more generally, one's past) should be to treat it as taboo.
@@krayne2084 it really depends on the person generally speaking not everyone (including trans people) can be so self accepting
to understand why deadnames hold so much weight to other trans people you need to understand what dysphoria is and feels like on a fundamental level usually deadnames have the trauma that comes with living as the gender you dont see yourself as
the reason its treated as taboo is because deadnames are used EXCLUSIVELY as an aggressive form of attack or an unwillingness to change (both of which are bad and harmful for society and the individual)
personally speaking i dont like getting deadnamed because not only is it a sign of heavy ignorance, lacking intelligence, and disrespect but it just tells me that person is latching onto an old version of myself that no longer exists and likely wont adapt to future changes that hold more weight either (example; basic boundaries that i ask them to adhere to) so its more of a what the offender is thinking and how that relates to me rather than how it makes *me* feel dysphoria wise if that makes sense but thats just me and i have a way of thinking of even emotional situations in a logical way like i just described so obviously thats not what EVERY other trans person feels
@@komossr FYI apparently Gender Dysphoria is a specific type of Dysphoria. I was slightly confused when I looked up Dysphoria and got "A general sense of unease". But Gender Dysphoria being "A sense of unease due to the incongruence between your gender identity and biological sex" seems a lot more relevant, just for the next time you want to inform someone that's inguiring you might want to specify Gender Dysphoria (thanks for explaining so politely BTW). I will admit that due to a lack of first-hand experience, I cannot personally understand how Gender Dysphoria could lead to actual trauma, but I'm still willing to respect someone's boundaries if they tell me they don't want to be called something. I still believe that the ideal is that you should learn to accept all of yourself including your past, no matter how traumatic it is since even if you don't it'll still have an effect on who you are. Easier said than done obviously but I still think it should be said.
I liked games you were hating at your time
What?
@@MrVRVoice Lonn for now
@@juu226 Ok, good for you, glad you enjoy it. But why are you saying this exactly?
propably nothing special, i like your channel