ESSENTIAL BLACKENED THRASH METAL BANDS | Lock Horns Redux - Episode 12
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2020
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A new episode of Lock Horns Redux premieres today at 4pm.
Join the live chat as Sam welcomes guests Joel Grind of Toxic Holocaust and Exciter/BangerTV's Daniel Dekay for an episode on Blackened Thrash.
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I love that Sepultura is discussed on the Death, Thrash, Blackened Thrash, and Groove Metal lists. All before Max even leaves.
Jesse Dampolo lets be honest tho, his best work was everything before Chaos AD. Nailbomb was pretty cool tho
@@iommic7981 from 80s to Arise: Sepultura was fucking awesome! with chaos ad and roots: gone to shit,. max left even more shit. I dont even follow them ever since 1998... dunno whatta fuck they did in 2000s and on... give me Krisiun....
@@adopodrinje1499 I like Chaos
@@BangerTV even roots is pretty good, I know it’s not cool to like metal but if people can call bands with cheesy names like destroyer 666 cool then I see no reason why can’t like the absolute cheese that is nu-metal.
No Max, No Sepultura.
You have missed the point of conversation. Early Slayer, Sodom or Destruction are influential bands. The essential bands of that sub-genre are bands like Japanese Sabbat, Desaster (both not even mentioned, WTF), Nifelheim, Nocturnal Breed, Bulldozer, Bestial Mockery, Gehennah, Witchmaster, Nocturnal.
Beastial Mockery was so fuckin good, they need a comeback!
Holy Sht Joel's an absolute legend 🤘
I love Toxic and I fucking ADORE the Yellowgoat tapes.
Desaster, cruel force, deströyer 666, condor, aura noir, nocturnal graves, deathhammer. Just a few examples of the real shit.
DEATHHAMMER! NECROMANTHEON!
And now I have more bands to look up thx👍
HELLRIPPER!! the best in blackened thrash right now!
Hellripper fuckin rules man one of my modern favorites as well
Fuck yeah I just got into them
HELL YEAH HELLRIPPER! Specters of the blood moon sabbath just came out and I’m so psyched for the new record
Thx for bringing this band up,, one man show he is ,, fking rocks ,, always like hearing new stuff !
The new EP is awesome. Some people accuse him of using programmed drums and it being an issue for them but come on man.
Hellripper out of Scotland is probably the best Black/Thrash band around today, IMO.
The disrespect to Desaster. One of the best bands to ever play this style.
Thought the same,at least in Germany,they're kind of THE Black-Thrash Band as such.
DAMN TRUE FACTS
100%!!
Hell yeah, well remembered! DESASTER will always be ''hunting the chapelain'' instead of just haunting the chapel...
Joel looking like he just walked off a set from Wayne’s World
He was in the middle of a tour, so basically, he did
this comment made me laugh harder than it should have and idk how the fuck i missed it till now
excorcist - nightmare theatre is a rare example of speed metal mixed with black metal (from 1985).
My favorite Sodom is Persecution Mania but I used to have nightmares with that dude on the cover when I was 16.
I have that shirt and some lady at target just got jump scared by it lll
@@awesomeguyscej6186 haha hell yeah that's awesome.
Joel is a sweetheart, honestly watching all of you talk about this made me feel pretty good inside, you 3 definitely know what you are talking about
I thought Joel Grind was this obscure person that no one can interview. Turns out he is just a cool dude.
Cruel Force, Nocturnal, and I'd say Sabbat honestly
Sabbat is fucking awesome
Sabbat is way too underrated. They are THEE blackened thrash band.
Glad Aura Noir got their due recognition. Would've liked to see Sarcofago in the final 6, but they'd fit nicely in a first wave of black metal episode as well.
I thought blackened thrash was just black metal with more beer...
Basically yeah
Thrash metal with stouts
Wouldn't that be called Thrashed Black?
Or a lot of the time, non-American 80s thrash.
I'm hungry now for some Cajun food. Blackened catfish is so good. But now, I'm thinking blackened thresher shark.
Really excited for this one. I got to meet Joel back in 2016 when he played at 'Cherry Street Station' bar in Wallingford, CT. It was because of JHoffilms channel that introduced me to Toxic Holocaust. When I looked up the band to see when they were going to be in concert next, they were playing down the street from me at the time. Also, Joel recorded 'Conjure and Command' and the Toxic side of the 'Toxic Waste' split in Milford, CT.
That's badass Toxic is fucking great!
Nice job Banger. Goatwhore/Skeletonwitch/Nifelhiem/Absu/Aura Noir is my list. Sodom/Destruction/Kreator are kings of the German thrash scene and not blackened thrash IMO.
That's just Sam wanting to put the bands from his youth (which is also my youth, actually). I mostly agree with your list, take off Absu from it, they started as a Death Metal band after all, and put Destroyer 666 instead and I'm game.
It’s tricky, but I don’t think those 3 German bands belong. Their early albums/eps were influential on the genre, of course, but the majority of their output is just thrash metal. It’d make more sense if they were discussing essential albums for the genre. Then I could get behind including them. Also, Absu and Destroyer 666 definitely should have been mentioned as they epitomize the idea of this sub genre.
@@passionateintrovert i agree with you, i think the "issue" is because they are music critics so they seem to categorize in a way that is often too picky and, in this case, too incline to fit the narrative of Blackened Thrash then to truly have a distinction between Blackened Thrash and Black Thrash.
Happy to hear Joel loves Condor. Sick as hell band.
Amazing as always. Thanks from São Paulo, Brazil.
Where is Japan’s Sabbat and Abigail’s first album? Come on Banger.
Burstin Out, Desaster, Hellripper, Witchammer, Venomwolf, Witchburner, Necromessiah, Condor, Aura Noir, Deathammer, Zemial, Nekromantheon, Butcher, Violentor, killer bands
Daeva, Sauron, Harassor, Malveillance, Saccage, Hellstorm, so many more.
Not too many folks mention Melechesh but I love that band.
@Sugar Shane If you like black metal vox on some groovy thrash metal then listen to their 2003 record "Sphynx".
and not one solid song. shame.
To me Destroyer 666 are the ultimate band in this style, one of the bands that got me into Metal and a shout out to related Aus bands like Nocturnal Graves, Gospel of the Horns, Bestial Warlust etc. \m/
I agree. Destroyer 666 is the poster child for Blackened Thrash now. I'd have Midnight and Sodom as high on the list too.
I also agree Destroyer 666, Gospel of the Horns, Nocturnal Graves, Assulter, Hobbs Angel of Death, Shackles, etc etc.
@@dyerwulfdyerwulf9943 reaper are another good aussie band who i got to see live 2 years ago
Oh wow, there's a talk show about metal now! We live in the best timeline.
Legends.
Destroyer 666 is the first Blackened Thrash band that comes to my mind (if we're excluding all the First Wave Black Metal bands) and should of made this list. Fuck, the black/thrash scene down under is on fire...literally
I saw Toxic Holocaust with Integrity last year
Wraith are a great new band that comes to mind. And obviously Hellripper (Heavy Blackened Speed vibes as well)
Often Blackened Thrash seems to take from the more traditional metal camp which is what those first wave black metal guys were doing.
Also Joel seems like a cool dude.
seeing joel talk is like seeing your best friend talk about something passionately
Im a big fan of skeletonwitch. Specifically the 3 albums- beyond the permafrost, forever abomination, and serpants unleashed. These 3 albums are very fun and pack a good punch. Plus, They're from my State 😉
If you take out 1st wave of black metal as qualifiers for "blackened thrash" -- the 5 bands that I think should take the mantle as the pioneers of the genre are: Absu, Witchery, Destroyer 666, Aura Noir and Goatwhore.
Id go with that!
For me, the first true blackened thrash album masterpiece was Slayer hell awaits
You're not alone
@@BangerTV 🤘😈🤘
Just 4 minutes in and I can already see Joel's really passionate about this one, he sounds like a huge nerd and I love it hahaha
The German trio Of kreator, destruction, and Sodom and the American band possessed were regarded as a more evil and faster version of thrash. When the label of death metal came with possessed’s Seven churches, we looked back only a few years before and said these bands early efforts were death metal. The only difference is they didn’t know to use blast beats with hyper rapid snare and double bass drums with triggers. Had they had access to this vocabulary they certainly would have used it, but the riffs carry on as death metal in many ways. The conversation seemed dropped on these bands further when their efforts later sounded more like mainstream thrash. Blackened thrash would not be a term for decades, yet every early death metal band will cite, early kreator, destruction, sodom, sacrifice, possessed, sepultura , and dark angel as greatly influential. Slayer’s early work after SNM was early death metal pre blast beat, which decades later is now blackened thrash. Early angel corpse uses hell awaits riff stylings even up to their last release.
Sadus swallowed in black has a blackened thrash feel, especially in that by the time of this release the furthering of the modern death metal sound could be found but they chose to express in more of a thrash vein.
Interesting episode. Broad genre already! Also, glad to be included!
Great episode, dudes!
Got to give a shout out to friends of mine Malhavoc. Toronto had a great scene going with them, Slaughter and Sacrifice.
Old British HC has a kinship with this style as well. I would be surprised if Bestial Mockery weren't Varukers fans.
One word: *W I T C H A V E N*
BLACK THRASH ASSAULT
Seriously!!! 🤘
FACTS 💯
Daniel Dekay brings up another ep of Lock Horns: death/thrash.! First band I recall getting me started on that style was Rigor Mortis, but there are many others!
The Crown!!! One of the greatest and underrated bands!
Yeah but their melodic death thrash
Funny enough, to add to Daniel’s appeal on Skeletonwitch. I was just around 11 when I first heard them and instantly fell in love with their sound. It’s very true, at the time I was listening to more thrash, hard rock stuff but once they stepped into the ring (mind you at this time I was pretty much popping my cherry in terms of musical expansion) they undoubtedly opened the waters to what I LOVE now. If it wasn’t for them, I would have never expressed my interest in the genre even further heckkk perhaps even taken up my guitar during those years! To them, and this channel and Joel!!! SALUTES!!
I would have loved to see Witchery on the final list, but was very glad they were recognized here. Great video gents!
The first time I ever heard the term blackened thrash was concerning Skeletonwitch about 10 years ago. And I'm about the same age as Sam and been listening to metal since the early 80's
Dekay is a rad dude, knows his shit, and always has the most awesome t-shirts too
I'm amazed that it took them 23 minutes to get to Aura Noir. A good talk tho. I think that these sub genres started to separate sort of in the mid 80's. Like I know the aesthetic of say Bathory was different from Slayer but still come on. It was basically the same shit until like 85. Bathory with emphasis on Motörhead and Slayer with emphasis on Judas Priest. I don't think the average European metal fan was making huge differentiations between metal genres until like 87. As long as they had long hair and they sang about the devil or skulls it was just metal.
Diabolic night, Wraith , Reaper , slaughter messiah, Butcher, Urn.....
Esperemos que en un futuro le agregaras subtítulos en latino América tendrías muchos seguidores tienes un gigantesco nicho por estos lados, un saludo desde Veracrúz mexico. keep fucking support metal alive!!!!
This was fun to watch I found myself agreeing with everyone there. These guys know their shit for real, I thought I knew a lot. There again I don't venture too much into black metal influenced stuff.
It would be awesome if you could put together a Spotify playlist witth the Essential Band every time you do one of these
For some reason I always forget the Sign of Evil. I just think Cruelty then Persecution but Sign is absolutely an important piece of the puzzle.
lest we forget...
Because of this episode, I discovered Joel Grind snd the magical world of Toxic Fucking Holicaust!
Outstanding discography, Sir!🤘🏼
Great genre. RIP Absu.
Incubus (Approbrium)
"Beyond the Unknown" is definitely a blackened Thrash album, (They were from Louisiana).
Also Sacrifice "Torment In Fire"
Seeing Kreator, Destruction, and Sodom being in the top of this list, brings my heart joy. I will say the terms such as "blackened thrash" have been sort of dumb in the past (say 5 years or more ago) nowadays, as I do my own record reviews on my channel, I use those terms in a much more positive light. So this list was killer, and I will tap into those newer bands over the coming days. Thanks for such a kick ass episode!!
I have already read some good answers in the comments and obviously there are a lot of people here who actually have a clue.
But some of the young bands were forgotten.
My suggestions are
BitchHammer from Germany, Hexecutor from France and my personal favorites at the moment are Gallower from Poland.
Joel is one of the reasons i picked up a guitar
Awesome!!!
Yes, my favorite micro-genre.
I fucking love Joel Grind
I fucking love Witchaven!!!!! super cool guys!!! Love their lyrical themes, Henry is awesome!!!
One absolutely sick blackened thrash metal band is Scorngrain. I dont think they are still around, but 0.05% is a super heavy and fierce album. They also add some industrial elements as well which makes it super unique.
Joel Grind is a local thrasher! This guy is awesome
great picks
as far as the new bands, id throw in BONEHUNTER (Finland) and HELLISH (Chile) as well.
Great show! Here in southwest Germany Destruction is still a big deal. Schmier is coming to our events. You meet this guy, can talk to him. Everybody is easy. And here are bands, that took this kind of music to the next level. So listen to Bitterness or Pessimist (ger)! You won't be dissapointed.
I had to do it. I was the 667th like. Damn someone had to do it! I was unbelievably excited w the topic and the guest. Joel fuckin grind!!!!! For me obsessed by cruelty is the poster boy for the genre. I'll propose 5 albums
-obsessed by cruelty
-infernal overkill
-show no mercy
-bathory s/t
- black thrash attack
-evil power
Awesome work guys
Joel’s Yellowgoat project is awesome blackened thrash
That lineup is the first concert I want to see when concerts are a thing again...
Am i the only one who liked Inferno - Utter Hell. Satanic Overkill was a great track.
Toxic Holocaust needed to be on this list (instead of Skeletonwitch imo), & I think if Joel wouldn’t have been part of this show they might would have been talked about more!? Also my fellow Germans Desaster! But if you have only 5 (or 6) bands there’s always gonna be some important ones left out ofc, I just think Desaster & T.H. at least needed a mention. But apart from that good show, always awesome to see Joel!
No mention of Sabbat? Looks like someone wants to get beaten with Gezol's studded leather thong. They were off on the complete other side of the planet but still going pound for pound with the early bands in the scene
Lmao was looking for this comment, they rly fucked up by not having Sabbat there, however it's bangertv and Sam only knows the mainstream bands so no suprise
I was waiting for them to be mentioned and it never happened. Sabbat - Immortality of the Soul is the epitome of black/thrash, for me. They have multiple decades of great releases and just put out a split with Deathhammer this year.
Right, never heard them in this, even Abigail.
@@witchfindergeneral5366 Kinda surprised Joel didn't mention Abgail given he has a band with Yasuyuki
What about NEW Blackened Thrash Metal Bands?..yeah.. Nocturnus and Vektor on the map! Great episode guys! lml
Whew, I was about to go fuckin’ Apeshit if Aura Noir didn’t make this list. Good call on makin’ it 6 bands. Hahaha!
Aura Noir, Goatwhore, Hellripper, and D666 for me. I hope they do a black n roll list.
It's amazing that Joel just mentioned Witchtrap
Check out Ormskrik("Snakescream" in english)A Norwegian blackened thrash metalband. Released an album in 2020. Just discoverd them myself, love it! Some Norwegian lyrics, but most in English.
Daniel M pretty much nails it with his mention of current bands. Vulture, Nekromantheon and Aura Noir being my favourites.
There are absolutely great band called Blood Tsunami. And a project named Wraith - it’s so close to TH actually,but still being brilliant. And give a chance to Shakma and Hallux,they are incredible !
Another band is INVINCIBLE FORCE!
I love the fact that mob 47 and anti cimax was mentioned.
Because I kept gravitating to this sub-genre of metal, I came to the happy conclusion that I just love Black-Thrash. There are two bands, whom are not that well known, that I think help define Black-Thrash metal. Grimfist and Ravencult. Grimfist are more thrash with black metal elements while Ravencult are more black metal with a lot of thrash elements. Both bands were short lived...but killer! Melechesh first two LPs are also great. If you're interested in B/T Metal and haven't already heard these bands, check them out! Morbid Blood and Ghouls of Grandeur.
Listen to Hellfekted and Devastator I saw them at the gryphon in Bristol in the Uk they are amazing and JOEL GRIND YOUR AMAZING!
Yeah, Hellfekted is a great band. I've been in contact with them when i made a review of their record 'Woe to the Kingdom of Blood' and they also seem to be super nice and awesome people.
The Metalizer Blog fuck yeah cheers man thank for the kind words! 🤘🏻🔥
All shall Die thanks so much it was such a killer gig that was hopefully should be back Bristol soon! 🤘🏻
Satanika is the first thing that comes into my mind. Also some great lesser known bands: Exxxekutioner, Evil Madness (they often mentioned as death/thrash, just like Goatwhore).
''Endless Pain'' is a good studybook to start with, but ''Obsessed by Cruelty'' is the whole crashcourse. ''Morbid visions '' and ''INRI'' ('aka 'Henry'') is all i need to know about Brazilian Popular Music.
Destroyer 666 for sure. Gospel of the Horns, Hobbs Angel of Death, Nocturnal Graves, Assulter, Shackles all from Australia early 90s. Ravencult should also be mentioned.
Hobbs' angel of death is pure thrash, or like Hobbs himself would call it ,,virgin metal"
This is sick, give Hellfekted a listen if you haven't already 🤘
I can confirm that Hellfekted is an awesome band. I came in contact with those guys when i made a review of their record 'Woe to the Kingdom of Blood'. They seem to be super nice and down to earth dudes.
read your comment and checked them out
good shit dude
Delaware representing! I don’t remember too clearly, 1990? Wow...
Please mention hellripper and wraith they are great bands
Sathanas always gets overlooked in black/thrash discussions. Pennsylvania black/thrash that shits on so many of these other better known bands.
Joel Grind is such a badass
Seems to have a slight confusion with the use of words: I wouldn't necessarily say that blackened thrash is the same as black thrash...
Satanic amen to that :-p
@@sanchosanchez3401 Well i see this in this way, Thrashened Black presupposes that it is a black metal band with hints of thrash metal. In those terms the main genre is black metal. Something like that
Main band you missed mentioning is Nocturnal Breed, one of the best of the 90s. They’re the definition of black thrash to me.
I was thinking the same. I remember hearing for the first time the term black thrash mentioned around the Norwegian bands Nocturnal Breed and Auir Noir
So many flavours...
Let’s do this. 🤘🏻🤘🏻
JOEL GRIND HOLY SHIT
Destroyer 666, early Sodom, Midnight, Bulldozer, NME, Destruktor, Apocalyptic Raids, Absu I think are musts with this style. I also want to include Devil Master for the obvious Hellhammer and Venom influences, but they might be too punk.
Now we need to go the opposite direction and do a blackened doom list so I can gush about Gallhammer, "Monothiest" era Celtic Frost, and Tryptikon!
blackened thrash matters
Metal for you
Haven’t watched yet but there better be mentions of Desaster and Witchery and Nocturnal Graves
You guys didn't talk about the Australian scene. Half the metal the guys make is blackened thrash! Same with South America
Destroyer 666, gospel of the horns, spear of longinus, bestial mockery, slaughter lord, razor of occam
Around 9:00 he completely proves the poster’s point-he says he doesn’t like 90’s Norwegian black metal and loves Venom and Bathory. Which is exactly the the distinction that was being made.
Old slayer is the beginning of this style?
For sure! Show no Mercy is the blue print for Blackened Thrash. By Hell Awaits they were lying the foundations of Proto Death. Even Fenriz hailed SNM as by the book Blackened Thrash
I think Celtic Frost is closer
@@tmage23 of course! The beauty of CF is that they are so many styles in one band, ypu can go from Punk to Black going through Thrash & classic metal, so avantgarde.
I think that SNM is very influenced by NWOBHM (just listen to Crionics or The Final Command), so it's like a speed/thrash/heavy release. SODOM's "In the sign of evil" may be the beginning.
@@danielzapata183 100%
Was there any mention of Possessed?
Never heard of the "blackend thrash album till this broadcast. I always heard of early Kreator and even slayer referred to as "death thrash " even bands like sarcafago even have a song called death thrash. A band like LAs Sadistic Intent could be called blackened thrash or even blackened death metal