Prog Metal Essential albums with Dan Briggs (Between the Buried and Me) | LOCK HORNS (archive)
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Join us for the live stream of LOCK HORNS, a weekly live streamed show debating the various genres of Banger’s Metal Family Tree.
Episode Six: Prog Metal features host Sam Dunn and special guest Dan Briggs of Between the Buried and Me.
We'll be reading your comments in real time throughout the show but you can start the debate now in the chat: let's update the Prog Metal branch with the those important bands that were overlooked plus the newest acts in its evolution. What are the essentials? Ready? Fight!
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34mn to talk about prog metal? That's like 1 song.
+Maxime Olagnon Best comment.
+bluebehir thanks
LOL, let's say 2-3 songs tops, but it would be a grindcore double album
- Ephiros - banger! new sub here absolutely love the chanel but i must say you take most of the video with the introduction and firat bands i feel like yall have to rush through the rest... make the videos longer
The newer streams are longer, they're a lot better structured too. Banger are a brand to always improve. Check out the alt metal video for a good example.
Since this aired, Haken earned it's place with Affinity.
100%
Even at the time this aired every single album haken put out was phenomenal. Visions and aquarius are to this day my favorite albums of theirs
I am going to make an argument for Enslaved, black metal's answer to death metals Opeth. They went from pure 2nd gen black metal to some very interesting proggy extreme metal. They have themes, concept albums, complicated parts, and are amazing. If not this list, then extreme prog metal for sure.
I always felt latter Akercocke was Black Metal's answer to dm's Opeth. Absolutely Enslaved too though.
Definitely
I just checked out Leprous for the first time because of this episode. Holy shit these guys are awesome.
Ne Obliviscaris deserves to be on the list. They may be fairly new but have firmly cemented themselves at the forefront of Extreme Progressive metal, in the space Opeth have vacated.
a fellow obliviscarian! ^.^
RIP Opeth
my families motto means do not forget
Really surprising to me that a prog-guy like Dan Briggs hasn't heard of Watchtower! Ron Jarzombek (guitar player and the principal creative force in the band) is an absolute living legend. He was doing BTBAM level stuff back in the 80s for Christ's sake. Dan, (and anyone else who doesn't know) do yourself a favor and check out Ron's solo stuff in Spastic Ink, and his other project Blotted Science. It's mind-bending stuff.
Spastik Ink is amazing!!! Watchtower 2.0
Yeahh..Ron Rule 🔥🔥🔥
@@govind666sharma9 He has new stuff uploaded on his UA-cam channel and it's so extremely prog. Nobody else can play the way Ron does.
Ron is a wizard, and is *extremely* detail-oriented, practices his butt off. And a hell of a guy. Billy White is no longer a musician (he's become a *monk* according to Jason McMaster!), and Ron was and still is the only guy who could raise the bar
Yes, Rush was Prog Metal. Due to the late Neil Perts' percussion style and the different sound they brought to the scene.
What about CYNIC?
So much I want to say here. Firstly, such a huge sigh of relief to see Fates Warning above Dream Theater on the list - even though they were only even mentioned once. And that was just to say that they sounded different to someone else. Finally someone actually knows that they existed.
Even though I've always loved Queensryche (until Hear in the Now Frontier) I have always had trouble seeing them as Prog Metal. They seem to constantly be included because of Mindcrime. But Mindcrime has very standard song structures, nothing very atypical. They just wrote a real (awesome) story-driven album. But then, so did WASP with "Crimson Idol". So did Avantasia with "The Metal Opera". All three of them, not prog.
If you discuss one album "Rage For Order", yes, very prog metal. But it's the only album they did with so much prog elements. They went so mainstream on Empire it was almost outrageous.
I would argue that Crimson Glory have more progressive metal elements ~on the whole~ than Queensryche.
Firstly, Midnight's voice was more progressive than Geoff Tate. He is more exploring in singing with variety. They write some power music, songs like Azrael or Valhalla, but then sit them beside a song like Lost Reflection. They sing Red Sharks, alongside Painted Skies. These songs are vastly different to each other, and then they write songs like Transcendence. I had never heard a song like it, and probably still haven't. It's a much different song structure for a ballad.
Their next album Strange And Beautiful has some more progressive stuff like Starchamber. They threw in a saxophone in "In The Mood" for goodness sake. (But then, so did Q on "The Promised Land", I guess.)
Crimson Glory aren't as prog as Fates Warning - I do agree. But if you can argue for Queensryche, you can argue for Crimson Glory. That's my stance, at least.
I'm disappointed to not see Tad Morose. They formed in 1991, and still releasing albums today, so they aren't a flash in the pan.
Their first four albums are progressive masterpieces. They use unusual song structure, unusual time signatures, intricate guitar work, and exploring lyrical content. They fell more into a power metal sound after the 2000's album Undead, but respect for them is deserved.Go listen to Circuit Vision, But Angels Shine, A Mended Rhyme, Another Paradigm, Where Dreams Collide or Morning Sun. I mean, even the song names sound prog!
I would have liked to see Leviathan in there. They had "Riddles, Questions, Poetry and Outrage" which was strong in its own right, but they had "Scoring the chapters" and "Deepest Secrets Beneath" which are too prog for me.
There are other progressive metal bands that didn't get a mention, such as Heaven's Edge, Lethal, Conception, Brazen Abbot, and Antithesis, but I can see that they exist(ed) without being strong influences on the world of metal.
I found it strange to note that you never mentioned that feeling of "instructional video" musicianship kind of feeling, which is a typical common theme I find in Prog Metal.
Hope someone makes the effort to read my wall of text! :D
It makes me so happy to see Savatage getting recognition from younger crowds.
I'm surprised nobody mentioned Threshold. They are an amazing prog metal. Close to power of course. Even Darkwater should be added. Ayreon also. Winds as well. Even Myrath which are prog with folk elements.
Chuck Schuldiner DID go in the progressive power metal direction with Control Denied!
TheAbsorbant they only made one album but yeah they should at least be mentioned. Anyways if gojira is on i think Death could be included. Symbolic was very important for prog death. Yes they only made 2 “proggy” albums but they deserve to be on too if we are including opeth and gojira.
@@THEshaggyrogers I wish Death was on the prog metal scene, and don't get me wrong, at the end of the day Chuck ended with Death as prog as possible, but honestly the fact that he started with pure death metal kind of stains it or categorize them, specially for a lot of people. To me Death us truly more a progressive band for such obvious reasons since the beginning of that proto prog death metal in Spiritual Healing until the end of the obvious progressive but not entirely album of TSOP. If you think about about almost any of these bands, they started off the bat with being progressive.
Ne Oblivsicarious is a amazing band should be the future of Prog Metal
they suck
Cool that's you're opinion.
Only blast Beats again and again...
Opeth wannabe
my local band going to their next gig in adelaide
You guys need to start spending at least an hour per episode I think
I agree. I don't understand the time constraints. some episodes 30 minutes some are 45 minutes. These weekly episodes are very interesting and I look forward to them weekly. Unfortunately these Locked Horns episodes seemed rushed.
Wouldn't it have been great for Progmetal to be an hour long and try dividing it three ways. I thought the 3 waves of Prog Metal made sense. Doom Metal should definitely have gone on for an hour. There should have been Doom, Stoner/Sludge, Death Doom divisions.
Happy Mr.Bungle was mentioned! They were amazing and Mike Patton’s vocals are glorious!
I love that Jason Becker is your picture. My favorite guitarist
Btbam definitely has some Mr Bungle influence. Especially in Tommys voice at times and his keyboard choices
Rush deserves to be above the Prog metal. I think many people forget how heavy Rush was for its time specifically the 70's era rush. I mean the first side of 2112 might honestly be the heaviest album for its time. Rush deserves to be on the list.
I just found this channel from glen over at the spectre sound studios channel, im so glad this exsists! i have seen almost all of sams docs, and this channel is a goldmine! keep up the great work!!!!
King’s X is criminally underrated and should be mentioned waaaay more in the prog metal world. “Dogman” is a progmetal masterpiece and if you love anything from pantera to rush to the Beatles you will absolutely love that album
Most of King's X is NOT Metal lol
Absolutely AYREON. Arjen Anthony Lucassen is a genius that writes all the music and gets guest performers on his epic albums. A veritable "who's who" in prog rock and prog metal has performed with him. He also has several other projects he spearheads (Star One, solo, Guilt Machine, The Gentle Storm, Ambeon, he helped start Stream of Passion.)
I don't bump into many people who know, or listen to Ayreon. Arjen is a legitimate Mastermind and I cherish his material not just from Ayreon, but from Star One & Guilt Machine!
jeff, would you agree to both Savatage & Fates Warning being removed from the prog metal chart?
They belong on the power metal chart.... there's nothing proggy about the sounds of these great 80s bands..
Have you heard No Exit or Perfect Symmetry by Fates Warning? They set the bar for Progressive Metal that Dream Theater would then go on to follow.
I always considered Ayreon to be more Prog Rock some reason
How about Karnivool? Love these guys and I think they would fit perfectly on this list.
Pink Floyd Needs to be added to Prog Rock
+Jack Towers So do King's X, Magnum and Marillion
+Jack Towers that's spacerock like hawkwind,ozric tentacles...
they are already in Prog Rock
Are Both ELP & Yes on the prog rock list?
curious
I'd say they were at least proto-prog rock. Some of their stuff is proggy (like Meddle, Atom Heart Mother, and Animals), but they don't completely fit in the prog sense compared to bands like ELP, YES, or Genesis. Just my opinion though
All The Bands belong but what about Watchtower? Going back to the early 80s they started the tech prog metal guitar sound and the drums, and an amazing vocalist who played with another amazing band (Hades). Also mentioning Crimson Glory and Blind Illusion!
Ron Jarzombek is fucking mental, have you seen him break down his 12 tone composition approach for Blotted Science?
Coheed and Cambria should probably be in there own genre of progressive music. Each album sounds different and each song on an album has different sounds inspired by different genres. Progressive alternative is probably best for them
Omg. A Marillion mention. I love every album with Fish.
All this did for me was add more bands to my list as I’ve only gotten into prog rock/metal the last 2 or 3 Years. Thanks this was awesome keep it going!
a great band that's always stayed interesting is The Contortionist. especially looking at their current discography they've always been consistent with delivering a solid Prog Metal album. They are very talented musicians.
If you put Opeth on the list, you could talk about Edge of Sanity also. And also the adventures of Ihsahn (former mainman of Emperor) in the Extreme Prog Metal field
Queensryche is so damn underrated. Operation Mindcrime? CLASSIC.
don;t forget empire
empire hardly progressive, rage for order is progressive as fuck.
Not at all mindcrime is fucking praised so much
That vocal tho
Queensryche underrated? They're most commercially successful prog metal band ever.
Old symphony X is my favorite
Sam should dig deeper & same thing to Briggs: Biscaya (proto prog metal), Shadow Gallery, Crimson Glory, Heir Apperant, Drive, Superior, Quarterer, Lethal, Angra, Threshold, House Of Spirits, Catharsis, Helloïse, Kingsbane, Psyco Drama, Sacred Warrior, Elegy, Recon, Mind Odyssey, Autumn Silence, Mystic-Force, Sacred Blade, Cynic, Sieges Even, King's X, Enchant, Garden Wall, Mayfair, Jester's March, Magellan, Believer, Crises, Eternity X, Vanden Plas, Taramis, Depressive Age, Superior, Soul Cages, Mekong Delta, Life Artist, Garden Wall, Time Machine, Communic, Titan Force, Divine Regale, Lemur Voice, Lord Bane, Leviathan, Trivial Act, Mindfair, Magnitude 9, Artension, Mindwrap Chamber, Galactic Cowboys, Seventh Wonder, Eldritch, Labyrinth, Zero Hour, Circus Maximus, Theocracy, Without Face, Balance of Power, Anacrusis, Withem, Pagan's Mind, Liquid Tension Experiment, Voyager, Darkwater, Aghora, Vision Divine, Evergrey, Conception, Ascension Theory, Psychotic Waltz, Oceans Of Time, Andromeda, Xerxes, Prototype, Scenario, Spastic Ink, Payne's Grey, Ihsahn, Sons of Apollo, Ivory Tower, Aeon Zen, Soild Vision, Control Denied, Poverty's No Crime, Ivanhoe, Manticora, Redemption, Anubis Gate, Tiles, Blotted Science, Tomorrow's Eve, Majestic Vanguard, Cloudscape, Section A, Mantiou, Empty Tremor, The Codex, Sun Caged, Lanfear, Circle II Circle, Athena, Secret Sphere, Vox Tempus, Silent Memorial, Echoes of Eternity, Arch/Matheos, Worldview, Riverside, Thought Chamber, Ne Obliviscaris & Orphaned Land.
Mekong Delta, Soul Cages, Shadow Gallery & Sieges Even should be in the list for sure.
great list! really! But still, mind over four, the beyond and last crack are missing. ☺
@@azwris Sad I had to come all the way down the comment section to find Mekong Delta, Voivod, Mekong Delta and Coroner were all way ahead of it all in the 80s
I'd say the fact Devin Townsend exists in his own genre is exactly why he belongs in the Progressive Subgenre more than any other. =P
I was about to write your comment!
Thank YOU
Excellent!!! At 4:00 when Dan Briggs mentions GENESIS, I totally agree! I mean listen to Return of the Giant Hogweed (1971), or Squonk (1976)... many Genesis compositions have the energy and the riffs we find in metal... Same for YES, especially with Gates of Delirium!!! Oh and hey, what a thrill it would be if ELP's Karn Evil 9 was covered by a band such as Between the Buried and me, it is so metal at the core IMHO. Anyway, thank you for this most exciting video!!!
I love prog music in all of its expression! For me prog is about keeping it fresh, expecting the unexpected, and going through a journey in each song. Here are some bands that are amazing in their own ways and have their unique "simpler" prog style that I totally recommend:
Erra
Dance Gavin Dance
Protest The Hero
Circus Maximus
Goblin needs to be added to Prog Rock!
WatchTower,Spastic Ink,Blotted Science and the kings of prog : SPIRAL ARCHITECT
I'm glad someone mentioned Spiral Architect. Majorly underrated and underappreciated
@@austinspitler9177 One record band, unfortunately. But what a record it was!!!
DUDE!!! I remember watching Global Metal! Glad you're still active! Subbed, liked & shared! Damn right Opeth is on that list! Wish they would come back! Also, AYREON should be on that list and not to mention that Tommy Rogers was on his most recent album 'The Source' and he was stellar as always! If you haven't heard of AYREON, .....you're welcome!
Just got wind of Banger TV a few weeks ago and been catching up on a lot of videos. On this one I just had to make a comment... Germany's MEKONG DELTA (first album in 1987) is most definitely one of the top Prog Metal bands of that time. Just had to say it. Love the show (videos) by the way. Keep going!
5 minutes in, I can tell hes a great guest and wants to be there. Thats fantastic, I liked Between The Buried In Me, but now Im a fan.
LOL Sam writes in the font black metal bands use to make their logos
Haahaahah
Was hoping for some mention of VEKTOR. A recent band, yes, but they have blown thrash wide open and are already making huge waves - their debut London show this coming weekend has had to be bumped up a venue to cope with the popularity. The heirs to the Kings of Thrash title without doubt.
Wow, no Threshold??? Those guys have been around since the late 80's, so they would deserve a magnet with their logo on there.
Yeah progressive metal really isn't my thing, but even I know Threshold. I own maybe half their discography. Pretty good stuff.
I think Rush is somewhere in the grey area between prog rock and prog metal.
+J.P. I think they should be their own link between prog rock and prog metal.
Same with PT and Tool
I would politely disagree. I love Rush but their stuff isn't heavy enough to be prog metal. For me they're the definitive prog rock band along with Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, King Crimson, etc.
Porcupine Tree, on the other hand, definitely straddles that line between prog rock and prog metal.
When Leprous came up, I had to pause the video and go listen to The Price for the 100th time this month. Perhaps a bit young to be on the list, but already their output is impressive. Plus they were the live backing band for Ihsahn! Check them out.
+Nick Scott And right on to Dan for bringing up Sleepytime Gorilla Museum! What a weird, unique band. Very avant garde. My favorite songs of theirs are "The Donkey-Headed Adversary of Humanity Opens the Discussion", "Helpless Corpses Enactment", and "1997 (Tonight We're Gonna Party Like It's...)".
Ayreon is as prog as it gets. I would classify it as prog rock ... They need to be on the list.
Anthony Lucasson is amazing but I definitely think his material is more progressive rock it does have Metal in there but its primarily Prog Rock
I agree definitely prof rock. But don't say they should be on this list cuz prog rock is something else haha
I feel like Voivod is their own genre
But they have covered both Pink Floyd and Rush and the Outher Limits was a psychodelic metal masterpiece.
That isn't a feeling, Gary.
yes
Is it just me or is this the 1st Locked Horns episode where there were bands on the board that were not even mentioned.
I never heard them say anything about Voivod, Gojira, or Coheed and Cambria. I have never listened to their music so I guess it gives me an excuse to spend hours on UA-cam. :)
I really love Opeth, Mastodon, Meshuggah, and Tool. Although they might have barely mentioned them in passing, I would think Sam and Dan would at least take time to mention their thoughts on their music.
We need a petition or vote to make these episodes one hour long.
+R Goosen Longer episodes, and also sneak in some musical aspects so we can hear what they are talking about.
Don't have to play whole songs, but snippets might work.
+R Goosen You should check out Voivod. They are the true definition of real prog metal.
As I was watching this i was trying to come up with some bands that were missing, and the one that kept popping in my head was Extol. Great band who have influenced many contemporary acts. Extol deserve a discussion.
Awesome, Sam. Can't wait for next weeks show. Hail Bangers TV.
Im lovin this,,,funny as hell,,,thanks Sam,,,keep up the great work
Lol I was about to lose my mind and you actually said Symphony X as I was typing a scathing remark lol. 👊
I love that he mentions Bach when it comes to composition for bass... that’s why he is a bad ass. Bach is my favorite music of all time.. especially the keyboard works. Love listening to Glenn Gould playing bach
Love Gojira, but I really don't agree that they're Prog Metal. In fact, I don't even know what they are. They're just awesome.
They use lots of odd time signatures, atypical song structures and unusual keys, I'd say that puts them in prog for sure, maybe not so much with magma
Technical groove progressive post-vegan Death Metal
@@ClikcerProductions no they do not use a lot of odd times. I've seen their compositions and they only use a bar continuously here and there. By those standards Slipknot is prog then.
@@ClikcerProductions their keys is stereotypical sludge and death metal. Sounds a mesh with Disturbed, Sepultura and GodSmack.
Thiago Souza Uh they use all kinds of weird meters, and extended bars... especially on the way of all flesh album.. listen to the Art of Dying... if that isn’t prog metal, then I don’t know what is
Overall really enjoyed the video. I think Dan is the best man to represent his band and their sound and I think he did a good job with his explanations. Love Dan & BTBAM.
very cool discussion! I agree with a lot of it.
Thank you for adding Pain of Salvation!
My suggestions:
Shadow Gallery (if Symphony X is, they definitely should be included)
SikTh
maudlin of the Well
King's X (and Galactic Cowboys)
Subterranean Masquerade
Orphaned Land
Angra (more Power Metal, with progressive elements)
Burst (if Mastodon is included, they should be as well)
Three (if Coheed and Cambria is included, they should be as well)
Superior
Zero Hour
East of the Wall
Agalloch (and Sculptured)
UneXpect
stopping flows of thought that "are too longwinded" with a bell is stupid. It hinders the creative and critical thinking process and creates an artificial attention span
+Sm ramgator Oh God I can't agree more. I find that the most educational, interesting parts of these shows are the parts that get belled out. I get it that you have to cover a certain range of topics, but often its defining discussion that gets killed. If you get off topic and start talking about what show you toured with in the 90's yeah ok, ring the bell. But while you're still on topic, let it continue.
bluebehir Exactly! Every once in a while, a banal topic is being stretched too long, but most of the time they interrupt important historical discussion and definitions for stupid internet comments
+Sm ramgator Completely agree. The conversation about PT should have gone longer.
+Sm ramgator I dont understand it
Phantomonium hell yes
excellent show and fascinating topic. I need to have a beer with Sam someday and talk metal :)
I think Periphery should be there 100%, they make use of complexed rhythms, wide ranged melodies and have that trademark "Djent" tone. I think they have really begun paving the way for younger prog metal bands.
Not much makes me smile and laugh if I'm not hanging with a group of friends.
But this fuckin' channel has me beaming and going "ahhhhh, OKAY, that makes sense" etc every few minutes. I love it. This is too dope.
I got to the see BTBAM/Cynic tour back in the day, and it is still one of the best shows I have ever seen. Beyond just seeing those two bands, knowing how important Paul and Sean were to the creation of modern Death Metal with them being in Death at the very beginning made it that much more special. Also, speaking of Devin Townsend, TDP and Scale the Summit were the other two bands on that show.
What a tour that was. Exposed me to cynic and scale the summit. And btbam got to play a bunch from the great misdirect
WOW!
An over 30 min convo with my man dan from one of my fav bands of all time?!
Yeah, time to kick my feet up and grab some snacks and something to drink. =)
BTBAM is immense. I've hesitated checking them out because of metalcore associations, but they've now blown me away. Great musicians, especially live.
Holy shit, I was just watching this for the first time tonight and I got goosebumps when he mentioned Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. Nobody knows them?! That is a crying shame. Their album "Of Natural History" is like one of the best things I've ever heard. Also, I've had a theory for a while that they (minorly) influenced Between the Buried and Me, so it was really amazing to hear him bring them up.
I was glad to hear laswell and John Zorn being talked about in this conversation.
Painkiller - unforgotten
So bummed I slept in instead of catching this live and being able to contribute. BTBAM are now legends with their latest albums.
I feel that when people talk about prog metal, there are a few artists ignored, that shouldn't. Bands like Ayreon, Psychotic Walz, Redemption, Circus Maximus, Neal Morse's projects, Animals as Leaders, Cynic, Blotted Science, Spastic Ink, Watchtower, Continuo Renacer, Mekong Delta, Leprous, Spiral Architect, Fates Warning. I feel that prog genre kinda shifted, we consider a lot of stoner or rock bands prog these days, even if they don't really do "prog" stuff, but we left out a lot of bands especially if they are more fusion oriented. Maybe we should invent "fusion metal" and throw few of them into that genre.
Personally I think Faith No More needs to be mentioned. Very Avant-Garde and I think that classifies as prog and I hear some of that proggy instrumentation in their music
Watching BTBAM, Opeth and Dream Theater at Prog Nation was amazing.
Naked Sun was an extremely underrated band. Rush of course at the top, Queensryche especially The Warning (probably one of the best 5 metal or overall rock albums), many classic hard rock band (Led Zep, Rainbow) have highly influenced prog metal. Porcupine Tree also masters.
I really got a kick out of the Devin comments, but I have been on the Haken bandwagon after seeing them on PNAS14 cruise twice. I was blown away. Then I went to Webster hall and saw them in the basement with about 300 people, just an amazing show. Such talented writing and performing.
Although these bands are no longer around I think Agalloch and Nevermore deserve a spot on the board. Those bands put out a lot of memorable albums. I wish they had gotten more recognition.
I was waiting for Shadow Gallery.
+cagriebler agreed! also featured on Ayreon wich should be up there.
+Tom de Jong true I discovered Shadow Gallery because Room V and Tyranny (awesome albums)
Prog metal is musical and one of best genre in metal. Bands like dreamtheater, rush, tool, mastadon
Their music is unique and melodic
And in metal uniqueness plays major role in it
Holy S! He mentioned SGM! Impressed.
I know "djent" is probably considered a bit of a dirty word around here, but I think it's worth it's own branch at this point. Periphery, Tesseract and Animals As Leaders etc. have been massively influential, but having them share the same space as with extreme progressive metal bands seems like a bit of a stretch. I'm not a huge fan of the word itself but I'm not sure what I'd call it rather than "djent". The New Wave Of Meshuggah And Sikth Inspired Prog Metal (NWOMASIPM)?
I think it might make sense for this to split 3 branches:
Progressive Metal (think Queensryche, Savatage, Watchtower, Dream Theater etc.)
Extreme Progressive Metal (think Opeth, Gojira, BTBAM, Voivod)
Djent (another name?) (think Periphery, Tesseract, Animals As Leaders, Vildhjarta)
+PortissTheRecordist I think I saw in their more updated version of the Tree that Djent had its own category (I think I saw it in the Extreme Metal episode of Metal Evolution? Maybe?)
As a fan of AAL and periphery I think djent is a joke that will die in the next few years . There just prog metal in my opinion
daniel cullen wow, never heard a fan of that style of music so aware. i mean the djent shit
Voivod extreme?
@@21stCENTURYBOY12 djent is just a name to make it sound unique but it's basically Prog Metal nothing more
We need an updated version 🙏
Watchtower definitely belong here and are sorely underrated on their influence. Even to this day they sound impressive compared to the modern generations....
I have seen Between the buried and me many times. Always a very tight performance. Also, Dan is one of the kindest people I have ever met.
Evergrey should be on this list. "In search of truth" is one of my favorite albums ever.
This video is old so this comment probably wont be seen by you awesome people at Banger but i love Prog, it is easily my favorite style of music and has been for decades, and i have to comment on Coheed and Cambria because they got no love in the episode and no real discussion in the comments. I think that Coheed is vital in the discussion of Prog Metal for a number of reasons. Firstly i think that as far a whether or not Coheed is a metal band i think you can argue pretty easily that they are. What it means to be metal to me is that you must have an edge of aggression, play monstrously fast, and have some sick riffs. What it means to be prog is to be outside the mainstream, intellectual, and experimental. I think that it is a given that Coheed has all of this. They are heavy, though not always, and not always even in the same song. They are too heavy to be normal Rock, but maybe not as heavy as a lot of metal. For sure they are heavier than Hair Metal. And i think is impossible to say that they aren't prog. 90% of their songs have time changes, odd time signatures, and massively technical playing. On top of that they have literally 7 albums telling one ongoing song. For real 7 Albums ONE STORY. Who else has that? Really nobody does. and with that i rest my case that Coheed and Cambria are 100% prog and very easily arguably metal. On top of that they have been wildly influential and are still making killer albums to this day.
When they said it was early, I thought it was like 7am or something... but then they're like 12:30 HAHHAHAHAHHA
Longer streams, more guests please. Lets also start involving discussions on modern records/bands. Love it so far, though.
Sam, I don't know if you'll see this, but if you do, let Dan know that Sleepytime Gorilla Museum are not defunct. They're back together (albeit without Carla Kihlstedt because she lives across the country now) and they've renamed themselves Free Salamander Exhibit.
Also, listen to Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. Sleep is Wrong, The Donkey-Headed Adversary of Humanity Opens the Discussion, and Angle of Repose are three of my favorites. They are truly avant-garde.
Sincerely,
a fellow Raleigh, NC area metal and prog fanatic.
Rush is definitely the first band to be considered prog metal
Scale the Summit and The Ocean Collective need to be included to Prog Metal. Love the series, but I wish that more time was devoted to each episode to allow more room for the relevant tangents and go over all of the previously listed bands from a decade go. Keep it up!
I like what they did with the original list, it was fine honestly. I'm more interested in seeing if they can expand on 'extreme prog metal' and maybe include a branch for technical death metal for bands such as Death, Gorguts, Atheist, maybe Morbid Angel? (they influenced an awful lot of Gojira afterall...)
Favorite prog metal albums (1 per band counting only bands who's catalogue is mainly prog metal. I think BTBAM, Meshuggah and Gojira are way more than prog metal. As for Tool, although it's one of my favorite bands, I never really looked at them as a metal band)
10) Sadist - Hyena
09) Queensryche - Rage For Order
08) Aghora - Formless
07) Alchemist - Trypsis
06) Opeth - Still Life
05) Mastodon - Blood Mountain
04) Ihsahn - Eremita
03) Voivod - Dimension Hatross
02) Cynic - Traced In Air
01) Devin Toownsend - Infinity
There are two bands from the nineties that would deserve a mention, Edge of Sanity and Therion. Crimson is one of the best LPs of that decade, highly rated among prog and metal fans alike.
Looking back at the seeds of the genre, one unavoidable band is Magma. Amazing how still today kids old enough to be Stella's and Christian's grandchildren cite them as influences.
how do you guys feel about DIR EN GREY. Definitely proggy in my opinion. Especially with their last three albums. Any opinions
great job adding btbam to your prog metal list. you should get more modern bands like periphery and after the burial.
Coma Ecliptica is essential imo. I first heard Btbam 5 days ago and I have had it on repeat since.
That bell is stupid. Stop it.
what's wrong ,dave? the bell is the same bell that they ring at boxing bouts
it shuts the guys who tend to ramble on
What about Coroner? Very heavy with time signature changes. For me Fates Warning is the band that did it best in the 80s and early 90s. There new stuff is great. Symphony X and savatage are power metal.
Edge of Sanity? They aren't as known as Opeth, but were just as big an influence on Prog Death, in particular their concept album Crimson.
Edge of Sanity is primarily death metal
and primarily better than what opeth is doing nowadays. Crimson, baby!
Yess
Edge of Sanity is pretty much Melodic death metal. Crimson is prog, but I don't think that makes them a prog metal band.
Jaga Jazzist are Norwegian. And Shining went through a Hard Prog Rock/Jazz fusion period, then went into Blackjazz (self explanatory), before they ended up with more of a mainstream Extreme Metal/Jazz fusion. Like Monolithic, who you can check out on my channel.
One to add for the future is an instrumental prog band from the UK called Kylver... Hints of Sabbath, Tool, Mastodon, Pink Floyd, Kyuss, Baroness ect...
How did Psychotic Waltz not make it on the list?
Mekong delta!!!! Never heard of watchtower? Wtf? Loving the channel sam!
btbam my fave modern prog metal band.
Banger T.V. is better than f*king Christmas. I don't have friends that listen to the same music as me and these shows and channel have intro'd me to SO many terminal bands!!
Haken, Red Fang, Khemmis, Abbath, and Testament; just to name a few!! (I am obviously not a purest) Thanks, everyone. Keep it up!
Marillion are criminally underrated
Misplaced Childhood sucks but their first 2 records are Prog masterpieces. Very Post Punk.