ESSENTIAL CROSSOVER THRASH ALBUMS | Lock Horns Redux - Episode 3
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2020
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This week on Lock Horns Redux Sam Dunn and guests Phil Rind (Sacred Reich) and Daniel Dekay (BangerTV / Exciter) debate the important bands and the essential albums of Crossover Thrash.
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Absolutely phenomenal episode. First I love the varied backgrounds with Daniel representing a guy who came up on metal in the 90s, Sam who came up earlier and then Phil being a part of the genre.
Daniel and Sam hit the nail on the head with what was lacking from all the crossover bands that came out in late 00s early 10s. They were missing those lyrics with a bite and just sung about the party side of thrash
Gotta admit I hadn’t checked out much Sacred Reich stuff but Phil was such a cool dude I’m gonna take a listen tonight.
Holy crap - I can't imagining discovering SR's music in 2020. Lucky dude. I wish I could go back 35 years and find all this stuff again for the first time.
Your verdict?
Lich King does it well.
instablaster.
Dayglo Abortions hands down, greatest thrash band of all time lol.
Phil’s first words: “I don’t understand all these unnecessary categories.”
Phil 20 minutes in: “Suicidal is more like Skate Punk to me.”😆
Johnny Wetenkamp that solidified his thoughts on the whole thing.
He's playing the game at least!
Yeah i noticed that too 😊
Skatepunk rules!!! STRUNG OUT
LOL
Phil is such a cool guy, so laid back and genuine. Good episode!
He was great to have on the show.
Phil is so cool, absolutely love how deep and sincere he is
This was really cool! I crossed over from the punk side - I used to be allergic to anything approaching a guitar solo. Bands like Discharge, Exploited, some local hardcore punk got me to where I could appreciate Pantera Vulgar Display of Power, and from there I've found myself skulking around the further recesses of metal for the last twenty years. Grateful to Power Trip for my long overdue thrash adolescence!
Great to see Phil of Sacred Reich, Surf Nicaragua!!
Great to see Cryptic Slaughter mentioned, they took the raw speedy drumming of early hardcore bands to the next level, and the songs were really catchy and fun to listen to. Amazing band, the first two records are classics.
one hundred percent, great record
Lowlife is my phone ring tone and wake up alarm. My wife has grown to hate the song, haha
The cool thing about them is that they sound thrash/punk, but the scructure is totally grindcore. The build-up to blastbeats associated with Napalm Death and Terrorizer is all there in full.
Crumbsuckers, English Dogs, G.B.H., Agnostic Front, Cryptic Slaughter, D.R.I....I still rock this stuff! In retrospect, much cooler than most of the punk AND metal of the mid 80’s🤘🏿
Man this Lock Horns just jumped into being awesome right away. And it finished nice too. Great vibe.
image30p thanks!
Agreed! Thoroughly enjoyed this and I wasn't even into these bands that much. My friend won NA's Survive LP at a karate demo in the 80's, we had no idea, we were like 10!
@@VBshredder man, I was huge Nukes fan as a kid. In college my band played a show in Newark and Lilker was there. I found out later that he really dug us and was asking about who we were. Made my friggin year, man.
@@danmarshall5895 That's awesome man! This was before i discovered Metallica and Ozzy and such and at that age I still thought heavy metal bands beat up old ladies lol. I do remember it was a promo copy from the gold stamp. and the guys holding a missile on that back. Wish i still had it. Might be time to buy the album to see what i was missing
I definitely miss the "old" live version of the show but I can understand the logistic of a live episode ! Great work guys 🤘
Crossover Thrash is a fusion genre of Thrash Metal and Hardcore Punk. The genre lies on a continuum between Heavy Metal and Hardcore Punk. Other genres on the same continuum, such as Metalcore and Grindcore, may overlap with Crossover Thrash. Thrash at the start had a lot of Punk in it like Metallica kill em all also early Thrash bands tour with a lot of Punk bands at the time because a lot of the Thrash band at the time moved from LA to San Francisco to get away from the Hair bands that a lot of Thrash bands did not like and San Francisco had a Punk scene already.
Great episode, guys! This is the one I've really been waiting for. Was hoping to see THE ACCUSED get a bit more recognition, but at least there was some love there. Awesome to see Phil on there, too.
Their importance on the grind scene alone is underrated. I think they are one of those legendary bands who will forever be the most underground of the underground the most underrated of the underrated
Great episode. Happy to see Lock Horns back with several episodes. Also glad to see Sam back and actively involved and thanks for covering topics relevant to older audiences. Good work and keep it up!
I love this conversation, definitely needs to be talked about!
Eric Brecht from D.R.I.'s early albums played with Chuck Schuldiner in Death when Chuck first went to California and then Eric played on Hirax's Hate, Fear and Power. By the way you need to get Katon W. De Pena on, his knowledge of the early scene in California is incredible.
Great Banger Episode. A lot of good insight and historical perspectives. Great recommendations. I can’t explain how amazing it is to be able to see Sacred Reich and hear new music from them. I’m beyond grateful.
Metalpractor thanks for watching, agreed on new Sacred Reich music
Simple definition: thrash was metal bands influenced by punk, and crossover was punk bands influenced by metal. That's how it started, at least.
Nailed it!
"Punk influenced by metal" existed before crossover - Discharge, The Plasmatics, Anti-Nowhere League, The Blood. Crossover is fast hardcore (not "punk") with elements of metal. Crossover hardcore and metal punk are 2 different things.
Guys, thanks for this episode. It was friggin awesome and a lot of fun. I was way into punk before metal, and it was when listening to 90s Exploited when I first heard the term "crossover" and went digging. Glad I crossed over and found so many awesome metal bands after that.
Isaac B thanks for tuning in
Ratos de Porao and Sepultura joined forces - literally moved in together - around 1987 and that had a massive impact on both bands
Wow!! I remember my dad playing old R.D.P when I was in 6th grade! tremendous
I can appreciate all of the bands mentioned and their efforts, but we wouldn't even be watching this video if it wasn't for S.O.D.
I didn’t like Phil’s little jabs at them throughout this episode.
I think this was the best episode so far of the new Lock Horns. Phil was an excellent guest, especially for a guy who claimed he didn’t know what crossover was! What a well spoken and intelligent dude.
Phil and Sacred Reich Rule.Great Episode.
Awesome video. Very insightful and informative.
Most crossover bands were bands that started as punk bands but as they progressed as musicians they started to crossover to metal....that's why it's called Crossover. DRI, Wasted Youth, Bad Brains, COC, Suicidal Tendencies, Black Flag, Agnostic Front etc. were all bands that started out as Hardcore Punk bands but later crossed over to a more metal sound. Then later on as these bands pioneered the genre a few bands started to spring that started to spring up as crossover right from the get go eg. Crumbsuckers, SOD, Cryptic Slaughter, The Accused, Cro-mags
Wow, what an absolutely great episode.
Morals and metal combined at last.
Really digging the new format of Lock Horns. Way more chill and conversational. Also the guests this episode were awesome.
Kyle Tsurui thanks, that’s exactly what we were going for.
This makes me miss tape trading. I'm just old enough to remember being helped by an older cousin find many bands that I still love 30 yrs later.
Steve Harris may have never been a punk fan, but Paul Di'anno was always a punk fan from the beginning
If I was to forced to choose just 1 crossover thrash album for life that would be "Game Over". Another underrated and forgotten album representing a more violent/punk side of crossover was "Have a Good Time" from Soothsayer.
About the final top 5 I would just comment that the absence of albums like "How Can I Laugh Tomorrow"or "Speak English or Die" is painful! Adding "Best Wishes" in there is like putting 'The Black Album' on the list of top 5 heavy metal albums. Cro Mags are really a HC band and "The Age Of Quarrel" is their top moment, powerful hc punk with metallic sound (my personal favorite HC album).
Great show, good work, Phil is fuckin cool! \m/
I lived through the 80's like Papa Dunn and the metal crowd I was with we crossed over looking for something more extreme. It started with the classics of Priest, Maiden, Mötorhead,Sabbath, Metallica,Venom,Exodus,Slayer,Anthrax etc. Then we discovered simotaniously Suicidal Tendencies, Dead Kennedy's, Black Flag, G.B.H., D.R.I., The Misfits, Minor Threat, Napalm Death, Cryptic Slaughter, TSOL, S.O.D., C.O.C. etc.
Yes the shows were nuts,we tore out chairs, we were stage diving, crowd surfing, slam dancing all that shit. Slayer was really like being caught in a prison riot and the punk shows were really nuts because of the fights, moshing, slam dancing etc.
Great times.
The shows were classic. .I remember celtic frost...exodus and anthrax in chicago...87...once thrax took the stage the chairs were ripped apart foam all over...then we stampeded the chairs...and went fuckin nuts...
Good stuff, guys. Keep up the strong work!
The best Banger episode yet. Phil Rind is an absolute treasure.
Watching again in Aug 2021. Great to see the Riley interview. RIP. Also, cool to hear Phil when he goes deep. I love the party lyrics of say MW - but when Phil talks about songs with substance, it speaks to what underground/DIY can be. CHeers to Sacred Reich and Nuclear Assault and Testament for diving into lyrics that resonate today. Love every band the mention. FUnny cause Accused is such a big band in my circles. COC, DRI were innovators. love MW, TH, PT, Enforced getting nods. Cheers! Best episode of these.
Great panel! Passionate about sub sub genre and with a lot of knowledge!
Phil has some cool insights. Great episode, great guest!
You guys should do an episode about skate culture and metal/punk rock. For me (and I know I’m not the only one), watching skate videos and playing the THPS games introduced me to hard and heavy music in a big way when I was little. It would be cool to talk about the links between the two.
The Thrash "hall pass", or at least endorsement, that Dan mentioned is a cool point and key for me personally. Ironically being a punk fan first by mid-80's (with Pistols, Clash, DK's, Exploited), I became a metal fan thru Maiden, Motorhead and the Big 4 thrash scene. Seeing all those props at the time for Misfits, Killing Joke, Suicidals and others....Anthrax and SOD album inserts for example holding up their skates with DRI, Broken Bones, GBH, Black Flag et al stickers.....not to mention Public Enemy at the time! As a 14 year old, it was a revelation. Love this episode SamD & DeeKay, speaks to us older crew, nicely done.
Love seeing Phil; was a major Sacred Reich fan, saw them live at DOA in the late 89 or 90. In defence of some more modern bands, there are some extreme metal bands that are politcal, with Heaven Shall Burn being a prime example
Hell yeah Angkor Wat is badass, my dad grew up with those guys and Dark Angel. I love the crossover sound, its fast, heavy, and the lyrics always get me singing all the time.
I came in just knowing about Power Trip and left with such a wealth of knowledge about the genre. This was a cool episode!
Oooh, just what I needed. The last week I’ve been listening to Ratos De Porao (Brasil), first Cro-Mags and Crumbsuckers. I love crossover thrash. Favourites include albums like:
Ratos de Porao - Brasil
Cro-Mags - Age of the Quarrel
Crumbsuckers - Life of Dreams
Suicidal Tendencies - Light, Camera, Revolution
S.O.D. - Speak English or Die
Anthrax - Among the Living
Nuclear Assault - Handle with Care
Merauder - Master Killer
D.R.I. - Thrash Zone
Wehrmacht - Biermacht
and others... first Sacred Reich of course. Vio-lence? And I love the first Overkill-album too, there’s something punky heavy NWOBHM about it.
I really want to put in a mention of the album Black Daze by Wasted Youth. I really think that album is amazing and I'm surprised by how few people I've spoken to have heard of it. Love your channel.
These are the videos I love, it reminds me of that metal show but with people who know more about the metal genre
Great stuff, im a fan of thrash metal, and a Sacred Reich fan, I bought their independent album in cassette when I was in high school. I never knew phil had a calm laid back voice.
I've never thought "I wish I was around when...". Too busy enjoying all the gigs I can see today. :)
I had never heard about Phil Rind before but after this episode I can say that I tend to agree a lot with his world view and will definitely check out his music. Thanks BangerTV!
Thornanne thanks for tuning in
Phil always gives an insightful interview. Grew up seeing him play in Az. Sacred’s demo draining you of life is early death metal. Loved that emanation of the band first and foremost, but still like the thrash and punk proclivities of Ignorance. Art can be found in the lyrical metaphors of tying religious archetypes and dark music with socio political overtones - the audience then can be engaged in meaning rather than being preached to. I feel like artists abandon this lyrical challenge and cough it up to youth in favor of making a political statement without being poetic.
Love the guy from sacred reich he seems so soft spoken and kind. What a guy.
A guy who you'd love to have a few drinks with and a long chat
When municipal waste came out I was in high-school and I was hyped because I loved thrash and crossover so by the time I was old enough to go to shows on my own after highschool I ended up meeting alot of people that liked the same music and it was cool
Sick episode. Hadn't heard of crossover until I discovered Power Trip and had no idea what it meant
I had the pleasure of meeting Phil recently at a small club show they were playing, he was just standing at his Mercy Stand... Talked a little before he went on, super humble and just a very nice guy, it was very refreshing to not deal with an attitude... Can't say the same for a certain front man from Exhorder
Great video!!! Some canadian crossover bands I loved: Soothsayer and Leprocy.
Soothsayer are awesome.
Right away I like that Daniel has the Agnostic Front & COC magnets just over his shoulder. Also, Phil is such a soft-spoken guy! I've been a fan for decades, so I'm happy he's cool!
Brian Baker he’s very cool to hang with, a zen master!
Could happily go for a beer with all three of these dudes. Great episode - Phil is so right in so many things he says.
Come by for a beer sometime!
Great episode! I lived through this fascinating time period in the 80s and it was great seeing the two genres mesh. D.R.I. was the quintessential crossover band as you mentioned. I enjoy their music but never cared for the left-leaning lyrics. One band that gets overlooked is early Death Angel, one of my favorite bands. By no means should they ever be considered punk but their first two albums had some songs that were punk in attitude. These influences were gone though by Act III where they started to sound a lot like Anthrax.
Phil is a proper dude. No ego, no bullshit just a straight up nice bloke.
No SOD, no respect. The ultimate crossover.
They brought up S.O.D. early.
@@Neo-Midgar I know. But no SOD in the five essential is unbelievable. Moreover, all the talk on the lyrics sounds silly, since it was meant to be taken as a kind of parody.
@@virus3103
only speak english is crossover...rest albums(2 ep and 1 lp) are more thrash imo
Dude basically said S.O.D wasn't even a band? Sour grapes because he is too uptight and politically correct to take the lyrics as a product of it's time and just laugh a little. That's a crossover album and important band that everyone listened to if you liked thrash or punk back than. Only the one guy mentioned Carnivores retaliation probably scared of the lyrical content on that as well lol.
@@dimitrisdm6997 That was not the point. They were choosing essential albums, not representative bands of a genre, and even in this case, SOD is better than all the rest combined.
This is an awesome chanel 🤘
The Accused return of Martha Splatterhead is #1 for me.
Leeway "Born to Expire" !!!
Best crossover thrash album ever, such an underrated band...
Most of us found punk and Hardcore through Metal. Crossover checks every musical box for me. When I was a kid and listened to Anthrax I knew my favorite parts were the crunchy breakdowns (end of imitation of life). Way before I knew what hardcore and breakdowns really were.
A really enjoyable debate 👏
What about Carnivore? their two records, Retaliation especially are classic thrash meets Nyjc
Right on!
There first album is Classic stuff. I still have it in my collection. It's really awesome! \m/
New York Jard Core
RIP Steele
Tru that
I had the exiter album with the speaker being cut. Played the hell out of it. Never known anyone back then or since that knew it. I'm a judas/ maiden/metal church/merciful fate/ metal church fan but that exiter is my most heavy album its just brutal.
Un-fucking-believable episode. Not afraid to get political and name the "state of things" as Phil put it. And I have a list of albums to check out now. Great work, Banger.
CORROSION OF CONFORMITY 🤘
one of the best to ever do it
NEON CHRIST
C.O.C went shire after the Eye For An Eye album.
It's been a looong time since I heard anyone mention Lawnmower Death. Looking back I don't think I could figure out what sort of metal they were supposed to be. 7th Church of the Apocalyptic Lawnmower always came across as a sort of joke or thematic parody of early death metal. Wouldn't necessarily have described them as a crossover band. Still not sure they are / were. Great episode!
Lawnmower Deth (not Death) were pure thrash metal with silly lyrics.
I’m honestly stoked they mentioned Agnostic Front twice haha Cause For Alarm 🤘🏻
I think I miss the magnets and the board more than it being live.
Lock horns with you to do one on a genre that nobody really talks about like death/thrash metal Which I think would be interesting
this is the reason i became patreon donar. thank you!
Cool episode. I like the contributions of Phil. In the RVA scene late 90s early 00s, municipal waste and the crossover thrash scene was 100% party no politics based and never got into it
Phil is a great dude. Someone mention Evildead.
Evil deads rise above ep is still the shit!
@@randywebb4671 Agree with you mate !
I love Game Over but have never seen it as a crossover-album. First band that comes to mind are Suicidal Tendencies, then S.O.D. Ludichrist are a great example and Animosity are my fav C.O.C album to.
Great Episode
Good episode. Suicidal Tendencies should have an album in the top 5 essential albums; however, the 5 you chose are great albums and are essential. Great discussion and thank you for your acknowledgement that Crossover is an important Sub - Genre in the Metal Family Tree. Keep up the great work Banger. Couldn't ask for any more for my $5 a month contribution.
Joshua Schake thanks 🙏
Rocky George actually joined the band by the second album, not third, but he's in the music video "institutionalized" from the first album as part of the band. Tom Araya also makes an appearance in that video. Mike Clark joined on the third album and if you observe the song writing credits Mike Clark and Mike Muir were the main song writers. It's a shame that everyone talks about Rocky when Mike Clark wrote a lot more than Rocky ever did. Plus Mike Clark brought with him some songs from his previous band No Mercy. Most of the Feel like Shit EP was remade No Mercy tracks.
He probably meant Mike Clark.
As a 45 year old this is a sweet episode.
My parents circa 1990 "who's this scared belch"?
I just saw DRI two weeks ago in Cleveland they were incredible. Played for an hour straight
awesome live stream thanks again for letting me be a part of the stream guys can't wait to lock horns redux four blackened thrash metal I am guessing
Aidan French thanks for always being there!
Aura Noir, Destroyer 666, Skeletonwitch, Toxic Holocaust, Goatwhore would be my picks, Not really sure about the big 4 thou
@@kotanovakota D666 all the way.
@@LorriSanga Does Bathory count?
@@kotanovakota I know they where a big influence on Destroyer. A couple of thrash albums and the viking aspect paved the way for the war mentality. In the conversation I think.
Fantastic episode! Phil is a legend, insightful, intelligent, super chilled. I don't think there will not ever be a place for crossover thrash..... If we still have angry politicised youth, it'll still a relevant genre. R.I.P Riley.
S.O.D.- Anti-procrastination Song🤘💀!!!
Damn, I already love Phil!
Exciter! Violence and force album is pure heavy metal! Hail from Brazil! !!
Rest in Power, Riley!
Power Trip got me into the newer stuff.
Yes sir! same here sir!
First of all, there is no such thing as "crossover thrash". No one in the 1980's and 90's used that term. It was always "crossover hardcore" or simply "crossover". This "crossover thrash" label only appeared with the popularization of the internet in the 2000's. It falsely implies that crossover is a subgenre of thrash metal, when in reality crossover originated on the hardcore scene. Crossover is simply hardcore with metal influences (not neccesarily thrash metal). The first bands that were labelled as "crossover" - Suicidal Tendencies, D.R.I., Corrosion Of Conformity, Adrenalin O.D., The Accused, Attitude Adjustment started on the punk/hardcore scene and had nothing to do with the metal scene initially. Crossover didn't bring punks and metalheads together. In the 80's crossover bands like Corrosion Of Conformity, Adrenalin O.D., Agnostic Front, Cro-Mags, Attitude Adjustment, Desecration, Impulse Manslaughter, Heresy, Condemned?, Transgression, Inferno, Adversity, The Stupids, No Fraud, Intense Degree operated as part of the hardcore scene and were mainly listened by the hardcore kids, while bands like Sacred Reich and Nuclear Assault were part of the metal scene, recorded for big metal labels and had nothing to do with the underground punk/hardcore scene. At that time Agnostic Front, D.R.I., The Accused were perceived as "punk" bands by the metalheads, who would rather listen to Metallica, Slayer, Testament, Possessed, Celtic Frost, Voivod than Attitude Adjustment or Cryptic Slaughter. Even Napalm Death when their debut album came out were still part of the hardcore scene and gigged with punk/hardcore/noise/alternative bands rather than metal bands. How many remember that Earache, Peaceville and Nuclear Blast Records started out as punk/hardcore labels around 1987, when the European hardcore scene was having its heyday?
Well said. This rewriting is lame. I like Phil though.
Agree with You, save bands like The Stupids, A.O.D , Intense Degree and Heresy don't have any metal vibes in their music I think...
@@sebastienurbanek9392 They all used metal riffs in some of their songs.
Awesome ... thanks, gents!
The first band that came to my mind was Uncle Slam. I loved this band and think they get overlooked.
31:06 gave me goosebumps and moved me to tears
Just saying, would be awesome if u guys, put this Lock Horns kinda of video on Spotify in Podcast format, because I always want to hear the conversation, but the videos are too big to download.
Keep it up guys 🤘🤘🤘
We need more musicians like Phil Rind speaking up.
RIP Reed Mullin
Sam, don't forget about Ratos de Porão! A legendary crossover band from Brazil, playing since 1983! The album "Brasil" from 1989 is a classic, just like their debut "Crucificados pelo Sistema", the first punk/hardcore album of South America!
Great Episode🤘🤘🤘 Greetings from Norway.Phil Rules Sacred Reich Rule musically and lyrically 🤘🤘🤘
Outstanding episode. Listen to "Invasion of the Porky Men" by the English Dogs. They've always been known as hardcore punk because it was 84 and in England, so it wasn't called "crossover". Interesting, because UK hardcore directly influenced thrash metal in North America.
Always loved the riffing and music of Sacred Reich though.
Man I wondered what happened to sacred reich,Its been a long time since heal came out(pretty sure their last studio album)I had to dust off my cd case and listen to the classic albums surf nicorauga/american way/independant.
The handshake anim is too frequent and timed really weird. Ignoring that? Excellent show dudes. Loving this
Per S Straumsheim we paid for it and we’re gonna get our moneys worth!
Beauty show! Back then I was not that much into the crustier side of crossover like Cro-Mags or DRI, but Vio-lence and Carnivore are sick as fuck. Sacred Reich kinda flew under my radar back then too but I've since discovered them and the new album is as a total jam. Phil a super cool guy, too. Like if Lebowski was into metal instead of bowling.
For the last time : Motörhead is a Rock band. Lemmy said it a hundred times. They influenced Metal, but they don't belong in the Metal categorie. (Even though, they're one of my favourite bands of all time)
Just because Lemmy says it doesn’t necessarily mean they aren’t Metal, just sayin!
wish Phil was like my uncle or some shit. "Yo uncle Phil, tell me about Barcelona and Sepultura stories!" "What's the secret to life?"