Kind of wish he would do that now even if just to keep riding the algo 😅 I'd be interested in what his thoughts are on it as a pop-rock record over a decade later and with Fall Out Boy's...patchy output since then
I'll tell you why Joker dies in this movie. Halfway through the movie he realized he was in a musical and by the end of the movie he knew there was no bouncing back from that. Might as well just die.
Cops and Prison guards are portrayed as Irish constantly because of cultural history. Theres an old joke in New York City. “If it werent for the Irish, we wouldnt have a police force, but without the Irish; we wouldnt need one.” The Irish were treated extremely poorly by private businesses and struggled to find work when they immigrated here; however Law Enforcement welcomed any hands willing to work. The Irish took that offer.
Truth is, it was an Irish Papist plot to gain control of law enforcement so they could one day enforce Catholic law over the population. They turn the Chicago river green every year. Never forget what the Irish menace did to this great nation.
There was a huge organizing effort in the Irish community to enlist as cops to raise their image as trustworthy public servants instead of drunk dancers with no work ethic
I think we can chalk this horrible movie up to the fact that The King of Comedy and Taxi Driver didn't have sequels, so when it came time for Phillips and Co. to come up with a Part 2, they didn't have any work to cheat off of.
@@robertonome2448I think Todd Philips is just sniffing his own farts. Joker 1 felt like am elseworlds' joker, but with Joker 2, any idea that this was a comic Joker was thrown out the window. Sorry, no one's going for a movie that's ashamed of what it's supposed to be
" I think I succeeded with this because people immediately tie the song to the movie. If you do a musical film and people see it as a film and don't even remember the music that's failure " Billie Eilish
@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep How do you make a musical so bad the Internet’s busiest music nerd barely mentions it? My shameful inner band kid was weeping in the theater.
A musical with boring setpieces and a lead who can’t sing, a courtroom drama with a cut and dry case that our main character can’t win, a romance with an uncompelling couple and actors with no chemistry, a character study where we don’t learn anything new and he doesn’t change between the beginning and ending scene, and a sequel that undoes the conclusion of the original and has nothing but contempt for anything associated with the original.
@@PandaMontage because at the end of the last movie, he had gained confidence, but at the beginning of this movie, he’s back to his shy former self. Phoenix isn’t the worst singer, but he wasn’t trained and that fact was more noticeable than it should’ve been, given that he had the most songs.
I thoroughly dislike that mental health-focused films or films about people struggling with mental illnesses only tend to theatricalize the really bad aspects of someone clearly living a disadvantaged life. I had this problem with the first film where there was almost no uncertainty Arthur was going to become apathetic because they literally show him getting beat up by kids, by people on subways, and even made fun of by not-Rupert Pupkin on the talk show, but the scene where the guards at Arkham who are basically the alpha male Heathers clique drag him into a bathroom stall and literally SA the Joker out of him felt so especially cynical, and him shouting the movie's moral undertone verbatim in a really overdone monologue to boot, it really removed any semblance of nuance or tension from the courtroom stuff which was easily the low point narratively
@@MechaMonkeyz They definitely implied SA. The three guards circling him while Brendan Gleeson literally tells them to force his clothes off while they kneel down and you hear Arthur screaming was pretty obvious. If it was them just beating him up they wouldn't have cut away from it like they did almost immediately, because you can get away with showing that at an R rating. They were perfectly fine showing him getting shoved and thrown into the urinals in that same scene
As someone who liked the movie, I agree that that part of the movie was weaker, but mostly because it was too heavy handed. I liked what actually happened plot wise, in the sense that, arthur kinda gives up the farce, but the sort of "inciting" event being SA and the manner in which it happened was kinda weird. But afterwards having him escape off and be rejected by everyone who once idolized him was good, and his death was also good.
@@icedcapplord710 they were tearing away the joker persona from him, they removed his make up and tear at his clothes before he even tells them to strip him. the part where they take him to the shower is to do just that, he appears wet in the scene following.
I thought this was just gonna be a funny roast but it was actually a real good discussion, never let public perception of a work or the perception of those who typically like said work stop you from liking it. Also pretty interesting perspective on what could've been going on in the minds of the people making the movie, and how that mindset hurt the movie
Yeah glad someone who knows about music is talking about Joker 2. It’s not that the movie is bad because it’s musical, but because it’s a BAD musical and actively seems to hate musicals.
As a DC fanboy, I don't understand why they slapped the names of very well established characters onto characters that have nothing in common with them. Arthur Fleck isn't the Joker, Lee isn't Harley Quinn. Throwing in a mention of Lee having a psychology degree is almost insulting. Imagine if they'd actually used the real Joker/Harley origin story, where she is his psychologist in Arkham. Instantly a more interesting dynamic. Instead, Gaga was saddled with a mess of crazy girl stereotypes. People need to stop treating comic book characters as something to fix.
I can get behind loose adaptations if only because DC in particular has been so synonymous with completely separate takes on characters with no real overlap because of stuff like Elseworlds. The problem is there's nothing actually identifiable to anything within the Batman mythos and lore in these films outside it taking place in Gotham City, which is essentially just 80's New York but with different signage. You can remove the named characters from the comics like young Bruce/Alfred, Thomas Wayne, Harvey Dent and Harleen and just substitute all OCs like what they do with the good majority of the supporting cast and nothing would change I was half expecting a homage to Dark Knight Returns when I heard of the first movie having a talk show scene but clearly they were more interested in riffing off King of Comedy than actual source material
@@icedcapplord710I hope this is a step away from the obsession with wanting comic book movies to be as realistic as possible. These Joker movies went so far into that realm that they have nothing to do with comic characters whatsoever. So much that I get confused when people in the comments even bring up batman or other elements of actual DC comics lol
I thought the first film was whatever for 2 reasons. One, it was a painfully derivative of a film called The King of Comedy. Two, I never felt like Fleck transformed into “The Joker” in the first film. He was just mostly the same. I also felt that being a “joker” film, hurt the story. If they had just done their own story, man they could have gone in any direction. Instead, they kind of had to have certain things happen to make it fit the “Joker” title.
@@kevinc8955 whatever response you're looking for, I can't give you - I hate the first one as much as the second. I'm a DC Comics fan, not a fan of anything WB have done with the characters in the last decade plus. Based on what I said, why would you assume I liked the first one?
i think the biggest reason the sequel was not as impactful was because in the first joker we see arthur get beat down repeatedly to a point where when he fights back it is cathartic, his awful actions feel justified, there is a grim satisfaction. in joker folie a deux there is no “fight back” there is no release, just beat downs, i think the musical element was supposed to help with that, but they feel too detached from the story, arthur is just beat down to the very end, i liked the harley arc of being created by joker, it’s probably the most interesting part but also too under developed because the movie doesn’t show much beyond arthur’s pov. this could’ve worked if harley had her story and her pov, and if the joker actually did something besides suffer.
@@jeanbutinfrench the movie had a lot of weird cuts when Harley was around. You could tell they just completely removed parts of scenes. Dunno why, but i feel like Lady Gaga got the shaft in this movie
@@gesi7072 true, there are a lot of scenes missing, but i don’t know if putting them back would fix it, i think there is an essential structural problem of too much music and too little story, it’s a bummer because all the elements to a great movie are there, just not being used.
@@gesi7072It wasn’t Gaga that got the shaft, it was the writers. Phoenix, Gaga and the director would re-write entire scenes on the spot just cause they didn’t like the original writer’s vision which is insanely disrespectful.
in a suffocating world of sequel culture and memberberries, i was actually pleased that the film took risks and tried new things. it was more artistic than most sequels in the last 10+ years...
This is still a film made by a multi-million dollar corporation, that only exists because the studio wanted more money. This isn't some “artistic film” its an emotionless cold sequel to film that didn't not need a sequel.
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i’m a woman who resonated deeply with Joker (i was bullied as a kid & have AuDHD). i understand the “toxic incel fanbase” argument for Joker 2 being bad, really i do. but Joker 2 just felt flagrantly disrespectful to ANYONE who enjoyed the first film, for ANY reason. there’s definitely a way to stick it to weirdos in the audience without tainting the entire franchise.
Excuse me, women aren’t allowed to like Joker, please hand in your woman card. On a more serious note, it really sucks. Gotta love a movie made with nothing but contempt for its audience.
Or the filmmakers could just tell a solid story in a sequel (like Aliens and Terminator 2) and not define any of their storytelling decisions by “sticking it to the toxic side of the fanbase” cuz muuhhh the moral attitudes of the day
or better yet, stop being self aware to the point of self handicap out of spite for your audience. i mean joker was a movie that *said* something, it had a reason to exist outside of just telling a joker origin story. joker 2 is just a movie about joker
I did, I haven't been this flabbergasted since The Last Jedi, but this one is worse in that it was a chore to sit through as it wasted my time with bad writing and half-a§ed music numbers.
Can we talk about how calling a group of people "angry sad incels" pushes that group of people further away even tho they already feel ostracized? It's like a self fullfilling prophecy.
It's for this reason that young men have been forced to the right/far right groups by reacting to mostly leftists/democrats calling them sad angry incels. even leftists like Hasan Piker admitted they have failed to persuade the young male demographic
Absolutely not, he’s needs to stay in his lane. His MUSIC lane. Let’s keep the movie takes to the real film buffs. Edit: Joker 2 was as fun as the explosive diarrhea the movie gave me.
Melon's takes on films are very out of step and focused on d8fferent aspects than at least most of the film reviewers I'm aware of. He's much more of a normie in that respect, so that makes his reviews like this shallow but charming imo
They didn't need to rape The Joker out of Fleck. But they did it anyway. They didn't need to shit on Nolan's wishes re the Ledger Joker. But they did it anyway. Philips is an unhinged weirdo. The fact that he let the online discourse shape this is pretty on brand
The rape was a turning point for the character. That's when he decides he doesn't want to be the Joker anymore. It did need to happen. And the guy cutting himself at the end literally has nothing to do with Heath Ledger-people need to stop bringing that up.
@@PatowtowWhy would he decide he doesn't want to be the Joker anymore because he was raped? The only message you are transmitting is that rape is a great tool to strip someone of their will, strip away of their sense of self and into submissiveness. If anything in movies after sexual assault a character is driven by more anger and revenge, not losing their will.
@@meciocio Because it came from the prison guards, who were the closest thing he'd ever had to a friend. He betrayed the only people who had ever showed a little bit of respect and concern for him, just to get a bit of attention from his fans. And it backfired horribly. By pretending to be someone he was not (Joker), he completely lost their trust, and they punished him in a way that brought back his childhood trauma (it's implied that his mom's bf sexually abused him as a child). Then he understands that Joker is a toxic persona, who ultimately does more harm than good (himself included) and it's not who he really is; so he chooses to distance himself from that.
The sequel doesn't even understand the own message of the original. This is just one example of it. The point of the Joker masked individuals was not to represent some sort of cult. They simply used Joker as an example of their own insatisfacción living in Gotham. It's a deeper, more interesting social setting than a simple "Joker cult". A world building of Gotham that we had never before seen in Batman movies.
@@cyjanek7818 It wasn't a cult following the Joker, it was different people using an icon for their own motives. If you want a "benign" example there's the Guy Fawkes masks. From protesting against Scientology, for free speech during Arab Spring, to show public dissatisfaction for stuff like hiking gas taxes when you need a motor vehicle to get to work every day, etc people donned the mask inspired by the movie V for Vendetta. There's also the "gotcha" of people protesting during Occupy and some bringing up that they're paying a big corporation to buy film merch - not that intelligent of a counter as they think it was, but it does partially raise the issue that people just wore Guy Fawkes masks without even knowing why he wanted to do ths gunpowder plot. There isn't a Guy Fawkes cult, sites like 4chan just popularized wearing a mask worn by a cool guy doing cool things in a movie. Want a "worse" example? Hawaiian shirts. From liberty minded people shaking hands with BLM in the streets, to extremists just one step removed from being tomestic derrorists, people wanted to emulate the Boogaloo memes. It wasn't a cult of people following Wendigoon or whatever, it was tens of thousands of individuals all doing the same thing based on completely different reasons.
@@cyjanek7818ever hear about revolution? America was created through violent revolution in order to gain freedom from Britain. Were the revolutionaries cultist to you? What about the Civil rights movement? Or French revolution? Those are cults to you?
I'm convinced the "toxic incel fandom" was largely a fabrication of the media. I have zero interest in comic book films (or most Hollywood output for that matter), but I really enjoyed the first Joker film - I appreciated the character study and narrative arc, the atmosphere, music, and the acknowledgement of complexity in human behaviour and motivation. And of course, Phoenix's performance. A billion dollar box office suggests that most people who enjoyed it *weren't* toxic incel fanboys. But in making this dumb sequel that nobody asked for, Philips has now disenfranchised everyone who enjoyed the first film - not just his mythical minority of basement-dwellers.
It's a movie for the deplorables. But then again so is Taxi Driver. Second movie is probably shit. It's a bad idea in the first place. I just don't see why Fantano just doesn't say it's shit. It's a musical, it can't be good. Musicals suck. Bam! Instead he turns it into a political statement.
I think the worst part about this movie was the insincere nature of it. Hundreds of millions of dollors were spent to...make fun of people who have obvious mental illness. Im not a fan of incels either but it feels like punching down to make fun of people who cant even get a girlfriend. The first movie was great because most people could relate to the feeling of being unimportant in our modern world. That is actually an important thing that art can address. I doubt many incels were actually true fans of the first film as the deeper meanings probably flew over their heads.
Incels aren't people who *can't* get girlfriends, they are people who won't because they are too busy clinging to outdated and bizarre ideas about gender.
Honestly, I think the whole incel conversation around the first film only made things worse. The film wasn’t out yet and the media were already reporting on how it would be a pro-incel/pro-school shooter film, which inevitably caused those types to seek out the film in the first place.
@@8bitdiedie People don't understand that an existing theme in art is to provide insight as to why people with these mindsets have them in the first place, and that that's not the same thing as endorsing them.
it's very weird to hear people say that you have to be an incel to like it -- do people not realize that they're literally just self-owning by admitting they don't really have a lot of empathy? Why can't you go into the mind of a person you despise? Why can't you both understand someone's motivations and the causes of their insanity AND completely disagree with it and/or not at all live it? To say people that like it are all incels is basically saying "i can only understand people if they are exactly like me" (also backed up by the fact that you're not able to empathize that other people might be able to empathize in the first place, confirming you indeed have no empathy).
This is precisely the problem with modern society. The group screaming the loudest for "inclusion, acceptance, and tolerance" is the group least wiling to practice those values.
I loved this movie. Eveyone hates that its a musical. It worked for me. I cried, fell in love and got my heart broke. I don't recommend it because nobody likes it. Makes me sad. I cant deny that i am an angry sad incel. 😢
I love film and I am so confused about this whole Joker situation in general. Dont people know the original Joker movie is based on the 1982 movie "The King of Comedy" which stars Robert Deniro as the lead and this is why in the Joker Deniro plays the role of the host as a callback.
I actually think this was a far more interesting take on this story than the first. In an American city like Gotham with its depraved prison system and lack of funding for social services, there are no hero tales. You do not ‘become immortal’ by putting on the mask like in The Dark Knight, there is just you, the things you do, and your circumstances. Putting that story into the world of Batman where the solution has, up until this point, been a rich guy doing vigilante justice, I think just enriches it.
joker 2 completely tainted the mythology and iconography of the first. which is the worst thing a sequel can possibly do. what we all saw was the vision from the start, that movie had no potential. but the concept had all the potential in the world. it should have been a rightful successor as a dark psychodrama romance with pinches of music used in moderation. joker and harley as characters were failed as was the franchise, and one of the most notable psychological phenomenons “folie a deux” was failed.
12:07 Hey, ya know what, they were portrayed and called criminals for decades. That's actually where "paddy wagon" came from. So as far as I'm concerned, that's social progress, hahaha
The idea the movie was admired by “incels” is crazy since joker isn’t an incel and the movie journalists were so convinced it was gonna start a new shooting that they got upset when it didn’t
I can’t read lips but that video of Joaquin (supposedly) saying “it’s horrible” after watching the premier breaks my heart for some reason. It’s bad, and everyone knows it, and no one can do anything about it. I liked Beau is Afraid, but there’s a good argument that it’s awful too. Joaquin’s had a rough year.
There is a courtroom anti-musical by Lars Von Trier called Dancer in the dark. It stars Bjork. It was wonderful. They could have just done something like that. I think they didn’t because yeah, this movie has nothing but contempt for itself and its audience. What a vile, reactionary piece of media. Not even Dada, more like Duh Duh.
this movie is anti audience. Todd philips didnt hide that at all. The first movie is about arthur becoming the joker. This one is mostly about the implications of identifying with the joker character and deconstructing the joker persona. The script feels like todd hates the audience lol. arthur flip flops during the movie between joker and arthur, which invalidates the entire arc of the first movie. The very last shots in joker 1 is ""arthur"" running across the arkham hallway after being implied to have killed the psychiatrist. That's not arthur fleck anymore. That's the joker now. Besides, this one is very over the top. I cant buy that arthur is the first to get hit by a major blast and harvey, sitting further from him, is the one with the messed up face. Also, the courthouse seemed way too over the top for a movie trying to be a serious "realistic" one. People's laughs seemed like soundbites. I can somewhat "believe" the first movie. Seemed like a cautionary tale and i could see someone that mentally commiting a murder on live TV or some shit like that. I can't buy any of the concepts joker 2 is trying to tell me. And i can't stress enough over how arthur's """grape""" scene is such a cheap move to get arthur to come to terms with the fact that he isn't really the joker. They couldnt have any other way to make that point, i guess. Todd philips is known for these shitty sequels. Hangover part 3 had a full 180 genre shift (became an actual crime movie) and it quite literally had no actual "hangover", just like this one has no "joker". He tends to overestimate himself instead of coming to terms that he's fine for one off movies (just like i think his first hangover is actually good, much like the first Joker) Best things? cinematography, phoenix, the opening animation and gaga's singing voice, even though she was absolutely wasted in the role as her character has very little to chew on. The musical bits fucking sucked tho for most of the time. I thought it would go for a dancer in the dark concept and every song would be imaginary but there's actually a lot of music thats meant to be irl in the movie. Pick one or the other. It also felt like it was built around the music first. Literally feels like a clip show at points with how they interject the music. Did todd philips get random jukebox songs and thought he could write a script around them? Also, the ending? low hanging fruit to pick on imo. Too on the nose. I never seen a sequel try to say "fuck you" to the audience that passionately. Sorry for the rant, i really fucking hated this one. And i'm used to bad sequels. My favorite genre is horror so this is just routine. This one is just a sequel that i never thought would be this bad.
Didn’t know about your channel except for searching for Joker 2 reviews. You should review more movies. An angry guy with a thick mustache and clear voice who makes really good points about bad movies is something I would love to see more of
I feel like 2024 is the year the rest of us reject the terminally online. That the director focused the sequel entirely on engaging on hot twitter takes and incel weirdos is wild.
SAME. I don't get it. I'm straight up getting into video essay making just to respond. How is this film supposed to hate the ppl who liked the first???
I'm so glad I'm not the only one. This video helped me understand the negative perspective a bit more, but I'm still confused. I enjoyed the first one, and I didn't feel offended by this movie. I thought him not wanting to be Joker anymore was an interesting evolution, one that made sense given his failed romance and the testimony from Puddles. I can clearly see that this movie is a rebuttal of its incel fan base, but why should I be offended by that? Why should I take that as a "fuck you"? You can say that the musical numbers aren't the best or that the movie is drawn out (I don't know if I agree with either of those points), but that doesn't explain the ferocity of the hate. I'm seriously perplexed!
@@TheHenranManim in the same camp. I can understand SOME criticism like it being too long, it being a bit too slow and flabbergasting people who didnt think it was going to be heavy on the music numbers. Like i get it but those still didnt make the movie bad in my opinion, i never felt like i was swindled by it
Its not that bad, but it is slow tbh, the music was extremely forgettable, and the ending just didn't work despite accepting what he was going for( it lacked a certain emotional je ne sais quoi)
movie so bad he changed careers temporarily
Silence you plebiscite
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Who on their right might turned a DC character into a musical?! fuck outta here and go to Disney. Stupid director
he’s giving NOT GOOD’s to movies now 💀
Also people, Diddy is NOT GOOD.
Cool bro
Counterpoint, it’s actually a masterpiece
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Fantanos divorce is costing him
"Why so serious?" - Jokethony Twotano
Why so feinious?
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HELP
_"Why so bad of a movie"_
@@fav0ur1te_r3gretI'm not helping you
I'm a Joker 2. I'm a smoker 2. I'm a midnight toker 2
I’m a midnight stroker too otherwise those two tokens go blue
@@midsolisbro is not funny ☠️
@@BadGirlTayTayNow thx for the feedback 😚
@@BadGirlTayTayNow Bro is ten times more original than the average fantano fan
I'm a hawker 2
I preferred the first one, Scooby a Deux.
Lol
Where are yeux?
Preferred
@@christianhartman1298We got some work to deaux now
Dammit. 😂
Internet’s busiest movie critic
And it’s time for a review of the new Todd Phillips movie “Joker: Folie à Dux!”
Yeah so this new Todd Phillips movie… IT’S NOT GOOD. **boom**
I review it so you don’t have to
“Hello~ I’m the Music Critic; I listen to it so _you_ don’t have to!”
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fantano should review more musicals like Grease and others.
Finally, a classic review of Fall Out Boy’s Folie à Deux!
Kind of wish he would do that now even if just to keep riding the algo 😅 I'd be interested in what his thoughts are on it as a pop-rock record over a decade later and with Fall Out Boy's...patchy output since then
@@itscjhey it’s one of the best things they ever made (when taken in the context of everything since)
Would be SO incredibly deserved. That album is a classic to me at least
From Under the Cork Tree...
Infinity on High...
Folie a Deux...
What a three album run!
I'd love a classics review on these albums!
Thank you
My man wore an ICP shirt to talk about the Joker 2 and im here to say i appreciate that effort.
What a good catch!
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Oh YT made "Joker 2" blue text in your comment! They wanna be tt soooo bad 😆😩
another win the for party
I'll tell you why Joker dies in this movie. Halfway through the movie he realized he was in a musical and by the end of the movie he knew there was no bouncing back from that. Might as well just die.
So you weren't a fan of "Westside Story", *Grease", "Singing In The Rain", "The Wizard Of Oz", "Chicago" or ", Les Miserable"?
Realistically why would anyone like a musical@@dhenderson1810
@@dhenderson1810 they were joking ❤️ hope this helps you relax a little
@@dhenderson1810 but also, there are PLENTY of people who don’t like any of those movies…. 😂
@@dhenderson1810all 🗑️ 🌽 🏀 movies
a guy next to me legit walked out of the theater by the time they started singing. How does one recover from this lmao
Ouch! Rough
Reminds me of when I went to see the 2010s Les Miserables, and there were soft groans in the crowd when we realized the cast was singing every line. 😂
My mom took me out of the nutty professor 2 cuz it was getting too nasty
You're laughing. Fantano was forced to see Joker 2, and you're laughing
Gumball pfp spotted
Cops and Prison guards are portrayed as Irish constantly because of cultural history.
Theres an old joke in New York City.
“If it werent for the Irish, we wouldnt have a police force, but without the Irish; we wouldnt need one.”
The Irish were treated extremely poorly by private businesses and struggled to find work when they immigrated here; however Law Enforcement welcomed any hands willing to work.
The Irish took that offer.
thanks for the context i hate it 💀
Interesting! Didn't know that
Truth is, it was an Irish Papist plot to gain control of law enforcement so they could one day enforce Catholic law over the population.
They turn the Chicago river green every year. Never forget what the Irish menace did to this great nation.
There was a huge organizing effort in the Irish community to enlist as cops to raise their image as trustworthy public servants instead of drunk dancers with no work ethic
I finally understand why some of the police and detective characters in some old Disney shorts have an Irish accent.
If it had Doug Walker instead of Lady Gaga, you would’ve given it a 10.
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Change the NeedleDrop?
You wouldn’t?
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How's the day going, Mr Cowell?
Who wouldn't
You know what's NOT so bad and DOESN'T make fun of its audience with sweeping generalised statements? TRANSFORMERS ONE, IN CINEMAS NOW!!!!!!!
It’s honestly a great movie
Transformers 1-3 unironically still being cinema's most underrated slop
Hahahahahah its an advertiskent for toys …. Your willingly watching 2 hour long ad..
@RealAICCl i would watch an ad for toys over a Joker 2, and it speaks to the quality of Joker 2 more than it does anything else
incorrect way of spelling Venom
3:03 bro really missed the chance to say ''I like some of Gaga songs..''
But what the fck does she know about cameras?
This😭😂😂😂
Fantano on his kanye persona
But what the fuck does she know about acting??
Cuz Gaga sucks
What the fuck does she know about cameras?
What if instead of reviewing albums melon reviewed movies and he gave the godfather a light 3
that's too high the godfather sucks
@@oatmeal710i see you everywhere defending diddy 😢
His reason would be that it insists upon itself
@@oatmeal710I'm gonna touch you
Time traveler moves one chair
I think we can chalk this horrible movie up to the fact that The King of Comedy and Taxi Driver didn't have sequels, so when it came time for Phillips and Co. to come up with a Part 2, they didn't have any work to cheat off of.
That’s exactly it
They could’ve cheated with Chicago since it’s a dark comedic court musical. Maybe they weren’t creative enough to even think up a third option.
Instead they ripped off Freddy Got Fingered and the Nostalgia Critic’s The Wall Review.
Joker2: Bad incels view bullies as worse than victims!!1!
Wasn't even that bad, I enjoyed it
I love how the two reactions to this movie have been: "It's bad [not incel way]" and: "It's bad [incel way]"
who would've guessed that making a whole movie to "own" 10% of your fanbase and nothing else would end up just pissing everyone off
@@robertonome2448 truly x, the everything app, has made everything better and discourse is so normal.
@@robertonome2448can safely say this is not what the movie was about whatsoever
@@deeplightv880 insert pretentious tangent about deconstructing the joker etc etc
@@robertonome2448I think Todd Philips is just sniffing his own farts. Joker 1 felt like am elseworlds' joker, but with Joker 2, any idea that this was a comic Joker was thrown out the window. Sorry, no one's going for a movie that's ashamed of what it's supposed to be
“[The director] allowed the outside world to seep into the movie storyline when he really shouldn’t have.” - Mr Plinkett 2010
@0:49, genuinely appreciate the spoiler warning. I can't wait to be disappointed the same way as everyone else
😂😂😂😂😂 guy
So youre a sheep
I don't know if I'd call screaming "I'm the Joker" for 13 minutes a movie review...
He did say "Baby" for the remaining 24 seconds
I wouldn't call hours of it a movie either, yet here we are
It's the review we deserve while also being the one we need
HOO HOO HOO HEE HEE HEE SUCH A FUNNY JOKE !! TAKE MY UPVOTE
I love Dan too
The musical element of this movie was so poorly done that I completely forgot it was a musical and was confused why Fantano was talking about it
" I think I succeeded with this because people immediately tie the song to the movie. If you do a musical film and people see it as a film and don't even remember the music that's failure "
Billie Eilish
@@BrandonAyongWas she talking about No Time To Die? That song is crazy good and fits the movie so well. Might be my favourite Bond theme of all time.
@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep How do you make a musical so bad the Internet’s busiest music nerd barely mentions it? My shameful inner band kid was weeping in the theater.
@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZepYep . And I agree it's one of my favourite bond theme. Maybe 2nd behind skyfall by Adele
Honestly same. It was so weird and awkward at times. Especially the scene when he starts singing in the TV room.
A musical with boring setpieces and a lead who can’t sing, a courtroom drama with a cut and dry case that our main character can’t win, a romance with an uncompelling couple and actors with no chemistry, a character study where we don’t learn anything new and he doesn’t change between the beginning and ending scene, and a sequel that undoes the conclusion of the original and has nothing but contempt for anything associated with the original.
How can the lead not change from beginning to end and also undo the original? Saying Joaquin Phoenix cant sing is an interesting choice
@@PandaMontage because at the end of the last movie, he had gained confidence, but at the beginning of this movie, he’s back to his shy former self.
Phoenix isn’t the worst singer, but he wasn’t trained and that fact was more noticeable than it should’ve been, given that he had the most songs.
@@PandaMontageHe can’t
He could win with an insanity plea that is the basis of the plot have you watched the movie?
Phoenix objectively can sing. Walk the Line includes him singing entirely and he outdoes Cash on a few occasions
6 thrusts, he's just like all of us
It's Lady Gaga I'm surprised he lasted that long
no movie musical can beat the muppets , thats a good one
This comment speaks nothing but truth!
Facts!
I thoroughly dislike that mental health-focused films or films about people struggling with mental illnesses only tend to theatricalize the really bad aspects of someone clearly living a disadvantaged life. I had this problem with the first film where there was almost no uncertainty Arthur was going to become apathetic because they literally show him getting beat up by kids, by people on subways, and even made fun of by not-Rupert Pupkin on the talk show, but the scene where the guards at Arkham who are basically the alpha male Heathers clique drag him into a bathroom stall and literally SA the Joker out of him felt so especially cynical, and him shouting the movie's moral undertone verbatim in a really overdone monologue to boot, it really removed any semblance of nuance or tension from the courtroom stuff which was easily the low point narratively
they strip him, beat him up and kill his friend... none of those officers sa joker, are you dense?
@@MechaMonkeyz They definitely implied SA. The three guards circling him while Brendan Gleeson literally tells them to force his clothes off while they kneel down and you hear Arthur screaming was pretty obvious. If it was them just beating him up they wouldn't have cut away from it like they did almost immediately, because you can get away with showing that at an R rating. They were perfectly fine showing him getting shoved and thrown into the urinals in that same scene
@@MechaMonkeyz 1) It was 1000% implied SA, 2) It doesn't matter anyway, iced's point stands with or without the SA point
As someone who liked the movie, I agree that that part of the movie was weaker, but mostly because it was too heavy handed. I liked what actually happened plot wise, in the sense that, arthur kinda gives up the farce, but the sort of "inciting" event being SA and the manner in which it happened was kinda weird. But afterwards having him escape off and be rejected by everyone who once idolized him was good, and his death was also good.
@@icedcapplord710 they were tearing away the joker persona from him, they removed his make up and tear at his clothes before he even tells them to strip him. the part where they take him to the shower is to do just that, he appears wet in the scene following.
I liked the part when the Joker said "ain't no party like a Joker party".
And the part he says "it's joking time" and jokes all over
**licks lips**
When joker says he wanna party, you gotta tell him *NO*
@@HITANSH_JEE2😂
🎼🎵🎶"Hello Harley, let's go party!" 🎶🎶
I thought this was just gonna be a funny roast but it was actually a real good discussion, never let public perception of a work or the perception of those who typically like said work stop you from liking it. Also pretty interesting perspective on what could've been going on in the minds of the people making the movie, and how that mindset hurt the movie
Yeah glad someone who knows about music is talking about Joker 2. It’s not that the movie is bad because it’s musical, but because it’s a BAD musical and actively seems to hate musicals.
As a DC fanboy, I don't understand why they slapped the names of very well established characters onto characters that have nothing in common with them. Arthur Fleck isn't the Joker, Lee isn't Harley Quinn. Throwing in a mention of Lee having a psychology degree is almost insulting. Imagine if they'd actually used the real Joker/Harley origin story, where she is his psychologist in Arkham. Instantly a more interesting dynamic. Instead, Gaga was saddled with a mess of crazy girl stereotypes. People need to stop treating comic book characters as something to fix.
I can get behind loose adaptations if only because DC in particular has been so synonymous with completely separate takes on characters with no real overlap because of stuff like Elseworlds. The problem is there's nothing actually identifiable to anything within the Batman mythos and lore in these films outside it taking place in Gotham City, which is essentially just 80's New York but with different signage. You can remove the named characters from the comics like young Bruce/Alfred, Thomas Wayne, Harvey Dent and Harleen and just substitute all OCs like what they do with the good majority of the supporting cast and nothing would change
I was half expecting a homage to Dark Knight Returns when I heard of the first movie having a talk show scene but clearly they were more interested in riffing off King of Comedy than actual source material
@@icedcapplord710I hope this is a step away from the obsession with wanting comic book movies to be as realistic as possible. These Joker movies went so far into that realm that they have nothing to do with comic characters whatsoever. So much that I get confused when people in the comments even bring up batman or other elements of actual DC comics lol
I thought the first film was whatever for 2 reasons. One, it was a painfully derivative of a film called The King of Comedy. Two, I never felt like Fleck transformed into “The Joker” in the first film. He was just mostly the same. I also felt that being a “joker” film, hurt the story. If they had just done their own story, man they could have gone in any direction. Instead, they kind of had to have certain things happen to make it fit the “Joker” title.
Arthur wasn’t the Joker in the first movie either, but fanboys loved it anyway. Why is it only a problem when the movie is bad?
@@kevinc8955 whatever response you're looking for, I can't give you - I hate the first one as much as the second. I'm a DC Comics fan, not a fan of anything WB have done with the characters in the last decade plus. Based on what I said, why would you assume I liked the first one?
Honestly, the worst part of the movie is the truly tedious amount of smoking.
😂😂😂😝😝I so agree
Cal shows up at 2:22
Hell ya we need more Cal
Thanks. Almost watched the video.
😂 bruh that would be mean if they weren’t the same person, allegedly
If it was called 2 pimp a Joker you would've given it a 10
If it was called Gotham's hottest clown he would've gave it an 8
As he should, No Round 2s
To Pimp a Jokerfly was right there...
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i think the biggest reason the sequel was not as impactful was because in the first joker we see arthur get beat down repeatedly to a point where when he fights back it is cathartic, his awful actions feel justified, there is a grim satisfaction.
in joker folie a deux there is no “fight back” there is no release, just beat downs, i think the musical element was supposed to help with that, but they feel too detached from the story, arthur is just beat down to the very end, i liked the harley arc of being created by joker, it’s probably the most interesting part but also too under developed because the movie doesn’t show much beyond arthur’s pov. this could’ve worked if harley had her story and her pov, and if the joker actually did something besides suffer.
LITERALLY I CAME FOR A JOKER MOVIE AND GOT NO JOKER LMAO 😭
@@jeanbutinfrench the movie had a lot of weird cuts when Harley was around. You could tell they just completely removed parts of scenes. Dunno why, but i feel like Lady Gaga got the shaft in this movie
@@luischaboii8990 it’s was really frustrating, there was only joker in imaginary scenes
@@gesi7072 true, there are a lot of scenes missing, but i don’t know if putting them back would fix it, i think there is an essential structural problem of too much music and too little story, it’s a bummer because all the elements to a great movie are there, just not being used.
@@gesi7072It wasn’t Gaga that got the shaft, it was the writers. Phoenix, Gaga and the director would re-write entire scenes on the spot just cause they didn’t like the original writer’s vision which is insanely disrespectful.
in a suffocating world of sequel culture and memberberries, i was actually pleased that the film took risks and tried new things. it was more artistic than most sequels in the last 10+ years...
This is still a film made by a multi-million dollar corporation, that only exists because the studio wanted more money. This isn't some “artistic film” its an emotionless cold sequel to film that didn't not need a sequel.
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i’m a woman who resonated deeply with Joker (i was bullied as a kid & have AuDHD). i understand the “toxic incel fanbase” argument for Joker 2 being bad, really i do. but Joker 2 just felt flagrantly disrespectful to ANYONE who enjoyed the first film, for ANY reason. there’s definitely a way to stick it to weirdos in the audience without tainting the entire franchise.
Excuse me, women aren’t allowed to like Joker, please hand in your woman card.
On a more serious note, it really sucks. Gotta love a movie made with nothing but contempt for its audience.
Or the filmmakers could just tell a solid story in a sequel (like Aliens and Terminator 2) and not define any of their storytelling decisions by “sticking it to the toxic side of the fanbase” cuz muuhhh the moral attitudes of the day
or better yet, stop being self aware to the point of self handicap out of spite for your audience. i mean joker was a movie that *said* something, it had a reason to exist outside of just telling a joker origin story. joker 2 is just a movie about joker
And that’s why it was great 😂
I don't know who even says "toxic incel fanbase" as any valid argument apart from leftist freaks who call everyone an incel to feel better
Just watched it today, holy shit the movie never fucking ends
I did, I haven't been this flabbergasted since The Last Jedi, but this one is worse in that it was a chore to sit through as it wasted my time with bad writing and half-a§ed music numbers.
You know what does end and leaves you feeling satisfied when you leave?
Transformers One. Go see it this weekend!
@@edwardweaver6869we got like 20 transformer movies in last 15 years. Im tired from it , even if its good
bro said folly a doo
😂😂😂😂😂
0:57 for all the years of people saying Cal Chuchesta is just a “character” played by Anthony, explain this
2:15 Skip Ad.
Doing gods work
ANTHONY AND CAL IN THE SAME FRAME??? WHAT KIND OF GIFT IS THIS
Cal also shows up at 2:21, but he's wearing Fantano's shirt.
i guess we doin movies now
*Musicals
@@TriggyGMT it's a movie musical, i ain't wrong
After seeing Megapolis right after this movie, Joker 2 didnt seem so bad
MegaJoker is this years Barbenheimer
So go back to the cluuuuub
Are you ok? Do we need to do a welfare check on you?
@@alexjaybradyMegajokerlis
Jokerlopolis
Can we talk about how calling a group of people "angry sad incels" pushes that group of people further away even tho they already feel ostracized? It's like a self fullfilling prophecy.
It's for this reason that young men have been forced to the right/far right groups by reacting to mostly leftists/democrats calling them sad angry incels. even leftists like Hasan Piker admitted they have failed to persuade the young male demographic
Portishead - Dummy is a masterpiece of the 90's. Glad to see it displayed.
"Jazz didn't deserve this" 😂
At least he got his transformation cog at the end
Fantano should honestly create a channel for movie reviews, discussions and whatnot. It’d be great to see his takes on cinema and filmmaking!
I agree honestly. I'd bring in a giant thing of popcorn for a "NOT GOOD" video for Joker 2 lol.
His takes in music are bad enough, we _do not_ need an extra channel
@@unholycrusader69 then why are you on this video?
Absolutely not, he’s needs to stay in his lane. His MUSIC lane. Let’s keep the movie takes to the real film buffs.
Edit: Joker 2 was as fun as the explosive diarrhea the movie gave me.
Melon's takes on films are very out of step and focused on d8fferent aspects than at least most of the film reviewers I'm aware of. He's much more of a normie in that respect, so that makes his reviews like this shallow but charming imo
does this mean we're not getting the harlequin album review
They didn't need to rape The Joker out of Fleck. But they did it anyway. They didn't need to shit on Nolan's wishes re the Ledger Joker. But they did it anyway. Philips is an unhinged weirdo. The fact that he let the online discourse shape this is pretty on brand
Yup
The rape was a turning point for the character. That's when he decides he doesn't want to be the Joker anymore. It did need to happen. And the guy cutting himself at the end literally has nothing to do with Heath Ledger-people need to stop bringing that up.
Hrs just a bad writer
@@PatowtowWhy would he decide he doesn't want to be the Joker anymore because he was raped? The only message you are transmitting is that rape is a great tool to strip someone of their will, strip away of their sense of self and into submissiveness. If anything in movies after sexual assault a character is driven by more anger and revenge, not losing their will.
@@meciocio Because it came from the prison guards, who were the closest thing he'd ever had to a friend. He betrayed the only people who had ever showed a little bit of respect and concern for him, just to get a bit of attention from his fans. And it backfired horribly. By pretending to be someone he was not (Joker), he completely lost their trust, and they punished him in a way that brought back his childhood trauma (it's implied that his mom's bf sexually abused him as a child). Then he understands that Joker is a toxic persona, who ultimately does more harm than good (himself included) and it's not who he really is; so he chooses to distance himself from that.
"Poopoo im the toilet bowl, no individual care. Poopoo in spaghetti, everyone upsetti." -The Jonker
"i give Joker 2 a decent 1. Go watch Transformers One instead"
Thank you Fantano
"Jazz didn't deserve this." - Anthony Fantano
Put it on the f'ing blu-ray cover lol
As a french, "folie à deux" pronouciation by Anthony is hurtful😄
As a not french. I'll allow it out of sheer ignorance
As a French person, you mean? Your grammar is hurtful. 😂
@@Lindenrd25 French construction. The same word in french (français) does both the noun and adjective.
The sequel doesn't even understand the own message of the original. This is just one example of it.
The point of the Joker masked individuals was not to represent some sort of cult. They simply used Joker as an example of their own insatisfacción living in Gotham.
It's a deeper, more interesting social setting than a simple "Joker cult". A world building of Gotham that we had never before seen in Batman movies.
what is the difference between "some sort of cult" and large group of people doing the same thing that causes harm and more chaos in your opinion?
@@cyjanek7818 It wasn't a cult following the Joker, it was different people using an icon for their own motives. If you want a "benign" example there's the Guy Fawkes masks. From protesting against Scientology, for free speech during Arab Spring, to show public dissatisfaction for stuff like hiking gas taxes when you need a motor vehicle to get to work every day, etc people donned the mask inspired by the movie V for Vendetta. There's also the "gotcha" of people protesting during Occupy and some bringing up that they're paying a big corporation to buy film merch - not that intelligent of a counter as they think it was, but it does partially raise the issue that people just wore Guy Fawkes masks without even knowing why he wanted to do ths gunpowder plot. There isn't a Guy Fawkes cult, sites like 4chan just popularized wearing a mask worn by a cool guy doing cool things in a movie.
Want a "worse" example? Hawaiian shirts. From liberty minded people shaking hands with BLM in the streets, to extremists just one step removed from being tomestic derrorists, people wanted to emulate the Boogaloo memes. It wasn't a cult of people following Wendigoon or whatever, it was tens of thousands of individuals all doing the same thing based on completely different reasons.
@@cyjanek7818ever hear about revolution? America was created through violent revolution in order to gain freedom from Britain. Were the revolutionaries cultist to you? What about the Civil rights movement? Or French revolution? Those are cults to you?
fantano characterising himself as 'well adjusted' is the real plot twist in joker 2 .
The real joker 2 was us all along
2 joke or not 2 broke
1:53 anyone else waiting for them to kiss?
The socks or the anthonys?
You should watch the Wild Robot to cleanse your pallet.
This movie is amazing
Transformers One as well
I did that with The Substance
Sooo great
yknow, theres this hype guy, for ONE movie, that TRANSFORMS your thinking..
I'm convinced the "toxic incel fandom" was largely a fabrication of the media. I have zero interest in comic book films (or most Hollywood output for that matter), but I really enjoyed the first Joker film - I appreciated the character study and narrative arc, the atmosphere, music, and the acknowledgement of complexity in human behaviour and motivation. And of course, Phoenix's performance. A billion dollar box office suggests that most people who enjoyed it *weren't* toxic incel fanboys. But in making this dumb sequel that nobody asked for, Philips has now disenfranchised everyone who enjoyed the first film - not just his mythical minority of basement-dwellers.
It's a movie for the deplorables. But then again so is Taxi Driver. Second movie is probably shit. It's a bad idea in the first place. I just don't see why Fantano just doesn't say it's shit. It's a musical, it can't be good. Musicals suck. Bam! Instead he turns it into a political statement.
You now what, you may be quite right there. The "toxic incel fandom" was a huge worry for journalists before the first Joker movie was even released.
Eh i kinda disagree with the 'mythical' part
I think the worst part about this movie was the insincere nature of it. Hundreds of millions of dollors were spent to...make fun of people who have obvious mental illness. Im not a fan of incels either but it feels like punching down to make fun of people who cant even get a girlfriend. The first movie was great because most people could relate to the feeling of being unimportant in our modern world. That is actually an important thing that art can address. I doubt many incels were actually true fans of the first film as the deeper meanings probably flew over their heads.
Incels aren't people who *can't* get girlfriends, they are people who won't because they are too busy clinging to outdated and bizarre ideas about gender.
This honestly
Honestly, I think the whole incel conversation around the first film only made things worse. The film wasn’t out yet and the media were already reporting on how it would be a pro-incel/pro-school shooter film, which inevitably caused those types to seek out the film in the first place.
@@8bitdiedie they were expecting another dark knight
@@8bitdiedie People don't understand that an existing theme in art is to provide insight as to why people with these mindsets have them in the first place, and that that's not the same thing as endorsing them.
You know it’s bad if Fantano is making a movie review
fr😂 actually got me interested in that movie. Is it that bad?
He also positively reviewed Beau is Afraid,
maybe he just like to only review
Joaquin Phoenix movies
Melon should review musicals
it's very weird to hear people say that you have to be an incel to like it -- do people not realize that they're literally just self-owning by admitting they don't really have a lot of empathy? Why can't you go into the mind of a person you despise? Why can't you both understand someone's motivations and the causes of their insanity AND completely disagree with it and/or not at all live it?
To say people that like it are all incels is basically saying "i can only understand people if they are exactly like me" (also backed up by the fact that you're not able to empathize that other people might be able to empathize in the first place, confirming you indeed have no empathy).
This is precisely the problem with modern society. The group screaming the loudest for "inclusion, acceptance, and tolerance" is the group least wiling to practice those values.
0:25 so you're a magician?
Lol
This is why the best Joker portrayal will always be the one in the 90s cartoon.
Imagine if this video ended with somebody shivving Anthony only to reveal that he was never the real Fantano
Cal was available, so they could've done it.
Not Knuckles from Paddington 2 transitioning into an abusive cop...nooooo Knuckles...
If it was called To Pimp a Joker: Folie à Deux, you would've given it a 10
Is Anthony wearing a Juggalo Shirt? Way to reject Social Norms, Melon, truly you too are like The Flecker.
Nice shirt
If you pretend the movie is called "The Jonkler" and not Joker 2 then it's actually pretty good
Shadyovoxk nigga who u support I'm so confused
i bet if it was called “To Pimp a Joker” you would have loved it
EEERRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!! 😠
Joker kinda did get pimped tbh
Better title
You fail
I loved this movie. Eveyone hates that its a musical. It worked for me. I cried, fell in love and got my heart broke. I don't recommend it because nobody likes it. Makes me sad. I cant deny that i am an angry sad incel. 😢
I love film and I am so confused about this whole Joker situation in general. Dont people know the original Joker movie is based on the 1982 movie "The King of Comedy" which stars Robert Deniro as the lead and this is why in the Joker Deniro plays the role of the host as a callback.
I actually think this was a far more interesting take on this story than the first. In an American city like Gotham with its depraved prison system and lack of funding for social services, there are no hero tales. You do not ‘become immortal’ by putting on the mask like in The Dark Knight, there is just you, the things you do, and your circumstances. Putting that story into the world of Batman where the solution has, up until this point, been a rich guy doing vigilante justice, I think just enriches it.
joker 2 completely tainted the mythology and iconography of the first. which is the worst thing a sequel can possibly do. what we all saw was the vision from the start, that movie had no potential. but the concept had all the potential in the world. it should have been a rightful successor as a dark psychodrama romance with pinches of music used in moderation. joker and harley as characters were failed as was the franchise, and one of the most notable psychological phenomenons “folie a deux” was failed.
12:07 Hey, ya know what, they were portrayed and called criminals for decades. That's actually where "paddy wagon" came from. So as far as I'm concerned, that's social progress, hahaha
The idea the movie was admired by “incels” is crazy since joker isn’t an incel and the movie journalists were so convinced it was gonna start a new shooting that they got upset when it didn’t
Melon just mad the Jokester has a gf now and he's still a Virgo in his 50s
I got more enjoyment off a 4 second I'm the Joker Baby meme.
coming from the same guy who directed the hangover trilogy, wonder what went wrong.
Personally liked when Arthur Fleck said "It's Joker Time" and Joker'd everywhere.
Turns out his film reviews are as mainstream as his music ones.
"I am not Joe Kerr." - Joeking Phoenix
if it was called "Kids See Ghosts 2:Ghostie a Deux" you would give it a 10
No
Just because Joaquin Phoenix sings like a dying goat doesn't mean it was a 0/10, Melon
Mountain goat
I can’t read lips but that video of Joaquin (supposedly) saying “it’s horrible” after watching the premier breaks my heart for some reason. It’s bad, and everyone knows it, and no one can do anything about it.
I liked Beau is Afraid, but there’s a good argument that it’s awful too. Joaquin’s had a rough year.
The biggest sin this movie committed was releasing in a time when slightly enjoyable movie stocks are at an all time low
If it was called "To Pimp a Joker" you would give it a 10/10.
There is a courtroom anti-musical by Lars Von Trier called Dancer in the dark. It stars Bjork. It was wonderful. They could have just done something like that. I think they didn’t because yeah, this movie has nothing but contempt for itself and its audience. What a vile, reactionary piece of media. Not even Dada, more like Duh Duh.
is it on any streaming services or is it available on dvd/bluray? this sounds awesome and i need to see it
this movie is anti audience. Todd philips didnt hide that at all. The first movie is about arthur becoming the joker. This one is mostly about the implications of identifying with the joker character and deconstructing the joker persona. The script feels like todd hates the audience lol. arthur flip flops during the movie between joker and arthur, which invalidates the entire arc of the first movie. The very last shots in joker 1 is ""arthur"" running across the arkham hallway after being implied to have killed the psychiatrist. That's not arthur fleck anymore. That's the joker now.
Besides, this one is very over the top. I cant buy that arthur is the first to get hit by a major blast and harvey, sitting further from him, is the one with the messed up face. Also, the courthouse seemed way too over the top for a movie trying to be a serious "realistic" one. People's laughs seemed like soundbites. I can somewhat "believe" the first movie. Seemed like a cautionary tale and i could see someone that mentally commiting a murder on live TV or some shit like that. I can't buy any of the concepts joker 2 is trying to tell me.
And i can't stress enough over how arthur's """grape""" scene is such a cheap move to get arthur to come to terms with the fact that he isn't really the joker. They couldnt have any other way to make that point, i guess. Todd philips is known for these shitty sequels. Hangover part 3 had a full 180 genre shift (became an actual crime movie) and it quite literally had no actual "hangover", just like this one has no "joker". He tends to overestimate himself instead of coming to terms that he's fine for one off movies (just like i think his first hangover is actually good, much like the first Joker)
Best things? cinematography, phoenix, the opening animation and gaga's singing voice, even though she was absolutely wasted in the role as her character has very little to chew on. The musical bits fucking sucked tho for most of the time. I thought it would go for a dancer in the dark concept and every song would be imaginary but there's actually a lot of music thats meant to be irl in the movie. Pick one or the other.
It also felt like it was built around the music first. Literally feels like a clip show at points with how they interject the music. Did todd philips get random jukebox songs and thought he could write a script around them?
Also, the ending? low hanging fruit to pick on imo. Too on the nose. I never seen a sequel try to say "fuck you" to the audience that passionately.
Sorry for the rant, i really fucking hated this one. And i'm used to bad sequels. My favorite genre is horror so this is just routine. This one is just a sequel that i never thought would be this bad.
hey at least it’s not non reviewable
Unreviewable Folie a Deux
Didn’t know about your channel except for searching for Joker 2 reviews. You should review more movies. An angry guy with a thick mustache and clear voice who makes really good points about bad movies is something I would love to see more of
I feel like 2024 is the year the rest of us reject the terminally online. That the director focused the sequel entirely on engaging on hot twitter takes and incel weirdos is wild.
The only way they can save this is to make a 3rd movie where Arthur wakes up and the second movie was all a dream 😂
Ahhh....the old fuck you, and fuck you again method of sequels
& it's really Dallas
I need the socks 🧦 1:32
I seriously need it explained to me how this movie is so horrible because I thought it was on par with the first
SAME. I don't get it. I'm straight up getting into video essay making just to respond. How is this film supposed to hate the ppl who liked the first???
I'm so glad I'm not the only one. This video helped me understand the negative perspective a bit more, but I'm still confused. I enjoyed the first one, and I didn't feel offended by this movie. I thought him not wanting to be Joker anymore was an interesting evolution, one that made sense given his failed romance and the testimony from Puddles. I can clearly see that this movie is a rebuttal of its incel fan base, but why should I be offended by that? Why should I take that as a "fuck you"?
You can say that the musical numbers aren't the best or that the movie is drawn out (I don't know if I agree with either of those points), but that doesn't explain the ferocity of the hate. I'm seriously perplexed!
@@TheHenranManim in the same camp. I can understand SOME criticism like it being too long, it being a bit too slow and flabbergasting people who didnt think it was going to be heavy on the music numbers. Like i get it but those still didnt make the movie bad in my opinion, i never felt like i was swindled by it
Its not that bad, but it is slow tbh, the music was extremely forgettable, and the ending just didn't work despite accepting what he was going for( it lacked a certain emotional je ne sais quoi)
Not bad. Just boring
“I love the Joker sequel, it’s so bad”
- Lucas, The Wizard.
This video made Cal calnonically neurodivergent. Always remember that
First time I heard about a Joker sequel that was a musical, I thought it was a joke. I guess I was wrong and right at the same time.