Yep I couldn’t agree more. It actually raises flags to me when someone says they arnt a subwoofer person. It absolutely changes the whole thing. Even with full range speakers.
@@tolgadabbagh1877 most people set their crossovers way too high on sub. I start low around 40-50 to get seamless blend. Crossover and level of sub tweaked until just right.
It makes a massive difference. I’m currently running two RELs in my setup, and I can turn them off with the push of a button. I’ve done this while demoing the subs for friends, and the difference is truly night and day.
I have always believed that the best way to compare the impact of audio gear is to start with the full presentation and then remove an element vs adding it. So I appreciate how John demo'd this, and feel it was very effective. I love Rel so much I put four 1003 mk2 in my home theater. Tight, punchy, clean, and can still hit good and deep.
Well done! This can be very helpful for someone who is looking to hear the difference a great REL subwoofer can make in the spectrum of music. Need more videos like this! PS: 4k please
Great video and hope it does the job of not only convincing folk to have a dedicated sub in their music/theatre system, but to definitely go demo a REL. I’ve had REL subs for 20+ years now - not big,expensive ones as my living rooms have never been large (similar size as to the room in this video). Q150E, Quake and during Covid, upgraded to a pair of T/5i and wow .. having a stereo pair made such a difference. So go get one (preferably two), you won’t regret it! 👍🏻
Great idea to do this John. Technically excellent job of recording the difference. This is exactly what I've been experiencing for several years but had taken it for granted. Good to be reminded of life before REL.
Great to hear! We have a commitment to making gorgeous sounding and looking subwoofers and for many it’s hard to experience the difference. This was our shot at attempting to bring the demo home in a free and easy way.
Clearly it's fuller sounding...I'd love it if you would pull the mics to the listening position and (not) mic the sub directly. That said, I own a REL sub and do like appreciate how it gracefully extends the range.
Love my two REL T-Zero MKIII so much. They are fast enough to fully complement my legendary BBC approved LS3/5A monitors for a very emotional musical experience in my all tube (single ended) system. Great demo.
I'm about a month into incorporating dual T/9x's into my system. Just as John alludes to here, the soundstage opened up, got bigger yet more precise. Awesome improvements from everything to the mellowest track all the way to mind blowing pressurization and power in something like old school Genesis....could not be happier, unless I had more budget...LOL.
i was a non believer at first and thought the REL is all marketing. But after comparing it with SVS, the REL is so much better!! ALL i heard from the SVS is just one note BASS. no matter what setting i input into the SVS app.. Brought the 510 and tune it with REW. as what John said many time, people tune the sub to high and output too low. when the tuning is too high, there is a cancellation in the bass region around 80 to 120 hz with my main speaker.
Thanks for the comment... we've been at this for a long time fighting the good fight for sound and hearing customer testimonials like this warms our hearts. SO glad you able to experience what a REL can do for you.
Great video, definitely shows the difference between subwoofer on and of ,yes makes a huge difference when on , but some may say with any subwoofer you would get this result, I have rels myself, and using the high level cable the speakers and subwoofer are in perfect time with each other,
Just ordered my T-zero it was sitting in my cart for a couple of months hoping for a Black Friday deal, no luck heh. I am looking forward to seeing what difference it will make for me
Wow. Great difference. But my speakers already have good bass, Wilson Alexia 2, will that sub improve the sound? It will be fast as my speakers bass is?
The bass on those speakers are great. Our subs can keep up with those speakers and will definitely improve your bass response. Email us at contactus@rel.net if you are considering a recommendation.
The only difference is in the drums. More impact with the sub. The piano and guitar sound just about the same. Could you also do one with one of Yo-Yo Ma’s cello recordings? I’d like to know if a sub makes a difference in classical music? Cellos, double bass, the organ, etc.
Good Question! A REL subwoofer will 100% improve a Classical recording, not only the low end instruments but also the space where they were recorded. We often use tracks without bass to show how there is bass even when you don't think so. In one of our famous demos, we use a piccolo solo to highlight how much the space opens up when adding a REL is added. We strongly suggest heading to a dealer and listening in person. You can bring your own music or make a request. A REL dealer is going to able to perform the exact same REL in, REL out, REL in demo and in person it's even more dramatic and tactile than what this video produces. To find a local dealer visit this link rel.net/dealers
Great demo thank you! Do most high end amplifiers both tube and solid state have connections for two sub connections or just one? Also do you recommend two or just one for the best sound? Thanks!!
Thank you for watching. When possible we do recommend running two subwoofers in a stereo pair configuration, though you can still get great performance when using a single subwoofer. Most amplifiers have RCA pre-outs which can be used for connecting to a single or pair of subwoofers, though to get the best possible performance we recommend using our High Level input to connect the subwoofer, which is a proprietary speaker-level connection. The High Level input allows a single or pair of subwoofers to connect to practically any amplifier, since it connects to the same output terminals as your main speaker wire is connected to.
@ thank you for taking the time to reply! One last question in your S series you have a model that is a double stack, is that as good as two individual subs or works differently because it’s in one chassis? Thank you!
Dear John, thank you indeed. I wonder if you can upload these tracks or alternatively provide the link for the original file. It is really not so easy to locate it at amazon or/and apple music.
The track used in this video is called "On my Mind", by Pierre Antoine Sylverstre, Frederic Dubois & Alvin Amaizo. It's track 7 on their album "Soul Taste".
..I’ve owned many prs of full range speakers and have always run parallel subs. Properly positioned with reasonable levels improve the soundstage immensely..
A Bass Line Blue cable will improve the sound quite a bit however will not improve an vibrations, that has to do with the construction of your home. We're good but not that good. If you are talking about the feet of the subwoofer simple blue tact under the feet works wonders if on a hard surface.
I lent a friend my JLs and he did a recording/, demo of 1 of my JLs against his 510 using "Pilliars 1" by Andy Akiho and Sandbox Percussion, and the JL did the REL things you talk about all the time, better than the 510. And the REL was in the better location.
@@RELAcoustics He still very much prefers his S510. Just for that track, the JL won. For all others, it's the REL. In his recording, the JL brought the venue into the room better. It was quite interesting. I still need to experience a REL. My JLs get a little heavy handed at times with delicate passages and miss out on some tonality. They served me well for many years, but are the weak link after I upgraded my speakers a couple of years ago. I think I need to try a pair of 812's if I try REL in the future. My speakers are flat to 26hz, so I need the sub to go down to at least 20. I'd prefer flat to 18 for music.
I don't quite understand the parameters of that test. If you just unplug the subwoofer without changing the setting on the crossover, you loose the whole frequency spectrum, the subwoofer was playing, so of course it would sound incredibely thin. Or was there no crossover implented whatsoever? So the sub actually played the same signal as the speakers, which were operating full range? Could be of course but it sure sounds like there was a XO implemented and they just didn't bother to let the speakers play full range. Also, was there another mic recording at the listening position? Because if you take the sound from right up against the speakers, like the mics we see, it won't capture what you'd hear at the listening position sinec bass frequencies are vastly different depending on where you are in the room realtive to the speakers(subwoofers).
@@floz9718 That is correct, the audio you hear in this video was recorded at the same time as the picture/video, using the microphones shown in front of the speakers and subwoofer.
Maybe a stupid question from a beginner, but how do you tell if the Rel isn't just adding bass to a track that should not have that much bass in it? Perhaps the recording is not supposed to sound that full and heavy?
Thank you for reaching out. A subwoofer isn't able to add low-frequency content that isn't already present in the recording, we do recommend tuning a REL using reliable and familiar reference tracks so that it is set to be equal in output level with your system's main loudspeakers. Once this has been set using a known reference, you will be able to trust that the subwoofer is not unnecessarily adding bass when you play a new recording.
I am not against subwoofers at all but do not feel they are necessary with better tower speakers like my Martin Logan XT F100s. I tried adding a sub and found that all it did was add room vibrations, and yes, I know how to properly dial in a subwoofer. I think a lot of people prefer exaggerated bass. I prefer a neutral sound.
I have old Rel Q50 and after listening this, my impressions are the same;- Soundstage gets more open and bigger and overall sound gets a little bit rounder/softer. Same thing With stand speakers and with floor standers.
Can a REL subwoofer be added to a system that is comprised of a pair of Klipsch AL5 LaScalas powered by a PrimaLuna EV 300 integrated tube amplifier? I am unsure given how little power is being used by the system to play music. I am not sure enough watts are being sent out of the EVO 300 to sufficiently trigger the REL and, in turn, power the LaScalas. Might anyone know because we would choose to run a pair of REL subs with one for each speaker/channel if they could work in this highly efficient, low watts system. The LaScalas would certainly benefit from a REL subwoofer. Thanks!
I have 2 REL S510's in my system and am wowed by their presentation. That being said, I do not feel the demo was realistic. Ideally, there should be two mics at the listening position to mimic what the sweet spot would hear. So all would understand the contribution the makes or takes away from the sound. Placing the mics directly in front of the drivers only tell us what the speaker output is.
Thanks for the feedback. The goal is to show the difference in the cleanest way possible. Maybe we'll pick up the correct mics for room recording and do it again.
Pairs are definitely better than a single and one is better than zero but the best is 6 🤪. Space is often a limiting factor but for those fortunate enough to have a room that'll accommodate a pair I'm sure will all agree the leap up from a single to a stereo pair is dramatic.
I have a much cheaper (but still good and musical) subwoofer than a REL, and I can never go back to 2-channel listening without a sub. Everything in the sound is improved with a good sub.
ok, now, let's do the opposite. Bring in some quality speakers with 15 inch woofers and see if you can add to those. I'm not doubting REL subs or pushing another brand I just want to see what it can add to a more advanced system.
idiot quality speakrs, 15 inch woofer, price sky rockets, sure better SQ, ... but here normal day to day speakers with simple amp plus basic rel sub... great sound.. half price of ur idiotic idea.
@@vinoheart "Idiot quality speakers" What in the hell does that even mean? My comment wasn't about someone with MORE MONEY than you, so stop "jumping the gun" and taking things personally! Maybe think before you type (if you can even think.) In fact, one can buy a low cost quality speaker with 15 inch woofers in the used market even if that speaker was built 35-40 years ago. You automatically think I must be talking about speakers that cost $200,000 dollars or more. *You are wrong!* I do not have the money for those speakers! You are the one showing your idiotic thoughts!
@@GBatya Not at all true. Just because a speaker has a 15 inch woofer that does not mean you will get the lows of a sub-woofer. It doesn't work that way. Sub-woofers work in a completely different manor. In fact, the 15 inch woofer is slowly going away in these very high priced speakers (you haven't noticed?) They're still out there, but as I said disappearing. 15 inch woofers were the norm for floor standers for many decades, and yes, there's a big difference in floor standers and bookshelf. Today, most (not all.) of what were called bookshelf are now on speaker stands, Not at all common back in the day.
Meh! Sorry, not a true in room demo. Mics less than 1 meter from drivers in a well acoustically treated room does not equate to what the system would sound in a "budget" conscious room. REL subs are excellent for music, that is unquestionable. The demo itself is nonetheless misleading, in my opinion.
Thanks for the feedback. Another thing to note is the impact and feeling can't be felt like a real demo. This is a basic attempt to highlight the difference a REL makes to a system showing an A/b comparison, this is nothing like a true demo in a store or a friends home.
Didn’t mean to anger the REL cultists, but now that it’s done… you do know that REL subs are a joke right? Overpriced jewelry that doesn’t perform. Step outside your echo chamber and you will see that many groups laugh at REL owners and tell them to get a real sub. Can’t play loud or low without sounding like a mess. I guess they work for listening to vinyl at 70db haha
As a sound engineer I don't know why the terms small and compressed are being used when the subwoofer is unplugged. Nothing is being compressed. If those floor standing speakers roll off at say 45hz -3db , when the sub is added the system probably extends down to around 25hz -3db. If those speakers used were larger with bigger bass divers, the sub would have less of an impact in the frequency response. That sub being a design for home , is a very small cabinet, with a large drive unit. So the speaker will have to be forced to work harder at low frequencies with electronics that boost those lower octives. Nothing clever going on here.
Yep I couldn’t agree more. It actually raises flags to me when someone says they arnt a subwoofer person. It absolutely changes the whole thing. Even with full range speakers.
it interferes the with the bass of the full range speakers in a bad way . i like the sub sound but the speaker bass must be filtered out .
@@tolgadabbagh1877 most people set their crossovers way too high on sub. I start low around 40-50 to get seamless blend. Crossover and level of sub tweaked until just right.
@ it’s just a matter of dialling it in correctly. I have always preferred with a sub or multiple subs
there are a lot of bad subs out there that I am sure put a lot of people off, I like RELs approach which is what convinced me
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. ❤
It makes a massive difference. I’m currently running two RELs in my setup, and I can turn them off with the push of a button. I’ve done this while demoing the subs for friends, and the difference is truly night and day.
Thanks for sharing your experience ❤
I have always believed that the best way to compare the impact of audio gear is to start with the full presentation and then remove an element vs adding it. So I appreciate how John demo'd this, and feel it was very effective. I love Rel so much I put four 1003 mk2 in my home theater. Tight, punchy, clean, and can still hit good and deep.
Well said!
Just bought a Rel S812 last week, just stunning!
Enjoy it
Well done! This can be very helpful for someone who is looking to hear the difference a great REL subwoofer can make in the spectrum of music. Need more videos like this! PS: 4k please
Glad it was helpful and noted on the quality. 4k doesn’t really matter for mobile but I’ll mention it to the production team.
Great video and hope it does the job of not only convincing folk to have a dedicated sub in their music/theatre system, but to definitely go demo a REL. I’ve had REL subs for 20+ years now - not big,expensive ones as my living rooms have never been large (similar size as to the room in this video). Q150E, Quake and during Covid, upgraded to a pair of T/5i and wow .. having a stereo pair made such a difference. So go get one (preferably two), you won’t regret it! 👍🏻
Couldn't agree more
Great idea to do this John. Technically excellent job of recording the difference. This is exactly what I've been experiencing for several years but had taken it for granted. Good to be reminded of life before REL.
Great to hear! We have a commitment to making gorgeous sounding and looking subwoofers and for many it’s hard to experience the difference. This was our shot at attempting to bring the demo home in a free and easy way.
I love companies like REL that focus on one product line. They're the best in the industry.
Same here. I usually try to purchase from companies with one product line
We’ve been at this a long time and appreciate your consideration
I have a REL and know how good they sound!
Great demo, thank you John! 👍
Rock on!
It’s a full sound with a full body!
❤❤❤
Clearly it's fuller sounding...I'd love it if you would pull the mics to the listening position and (not) mic the sub directly. That said, I own a REL sub and do like appreciate how it gracefully extends the range.
We need better mics for that kind of recording but I’ll let the production team know 🎉
Love my two REL T-Zero MKIII so much. They are fast enough to fully complement my legendary BBC approved LS3/5A monitors for a very emotional musical experience in my all tube (single ended) system. Great demo.
Thanks for giving us a chance and is happy you are loving the REL Experience
Great demo. That’s exactly the same experience I have when disconnecting and reconnecting my T9i to demonstrate to friends 👍
I have 80k n a 2-channel system...two T/x9's and it finally makes sense.
So glad you found us.
Incredible difference.
Glad you could experience it. Thanks for watching.
I'm about a month into incorporating dual T/9x's into my system. Just as John alludes to here, the soundstage opened up, got bigger yet more precise. Awesome improvements from everything to the mellowest track all the way to mind blowing pressurization and power in something like old school Genesis....could not be happier, unless I had more budget...LOL.
Thanks for your business and we are very glad you are able to experience the difference our subwoofer can make to a system.
Cool demo. HiFi UA-camr Creators should take notes on your recording technique.
i was a non believer at first and thought the REL is all marketing. But after comparing it with SVS, the REL is so much better!!
ALL i heard from the SVS is just one note BASS. no matter what setting i input into the SVS app..
Brought the 510 and tune it with REW.
as what John said many time, people tune the sub to high and output too low.
when the tuning is too high, there is a cancellation in the bass region around 80 to 120 hz with my main speaker.
Thanks for the comment... we've been at this for a long time fighting the good fight for sound and hearing customer testimonials like this warms our hearts. SO glad you able to experience what a REL can do for you.
Great video, definitely shows the difference between subwoofer on and of ,yes makes a huge difference when on , but some may say with any subwoofer you would get this result, I have rels myself, and using the high level cable the speakers and subwoofer are in perfect time with each other,
The High Level connection just makes logical sense.
@ yes it’s just the perfect match, no messing about
There is not much discussion here, a subwoofer is a subwoofer and nothing can replace it.
I love my two REL’s
Just ordered my T-zero it was sitting in my cart for a couple of months hoping for a Black Friday deal, no luck heh. I am looking forward to seeing what difference it will make for me
Thanks John, enjoying that demo track and the album on Quobuz 👍
well done , it makes a huge difference
Thanks for watching.
My Rel G2 brings a phenomenal change to my bookshelf Troels gravessen iluminator, which sounds big with fantastic low quality 🎉
Wow. Great difference. But my speakers already have good bass, Wilson Alexia 2, will that sub improve the sound? It will be fast as my speakers bass is?
The bass on those speakers are great. Our subs can keep up with those speakers and will definitely improve your bass response. Email us at contactus@rel.net if you are considering a recommendation.
The only difference is in the drums. More impact with the sub. The piano and guitar sound just about the same. Could you also do one with one of Yo-Yo Ma’s cello recordings? I’d like to know if a sub makes a difference in classical music? Cellos, double bass, the organ, etc.
Good Question! A REL subwoofer will 100% improve a Classical recording, not only the low end instruments but also the space where they were recorded. We often use tracks without bass to show how there is bass even when you don't think so. In one of our famous demos, we use a piccolo solo to highlight how much the space opens up when adding a REL is added. We strongly suggest heading to a dealer and listening in person. You can bring your own music or make a request. A REL dealer is going to able to perform the exact same REL in, REL out, REL in demo and in person it's even more dramatic and tactile than what this video produces.
To find a local dealer visit this link rel.net/dealers
This article is a good one rel.net/blog/2018-03-30/reconsider/the-best-subwoofer-for-music/
Great demo thank you! Do most high end amplifiers both tube and solid state have connections for two sub connections or just one? Also do you recommend two or just one for the best sound? Thanks!!
Thank you for watching. When possible we do recommend running two subwoofers in a stereo pair configuration, though you can still get great performance when using a single subwoofer. Most amplifiers have RCA pre-outs which can be used for connecting to a single or pair of subwoofers, though to get the best possible performance we recommend using our High Level input to connect the subwoofer, which is a proprietary speaker-level connection. The High Level input allows a single or pair of subwoofers to connect to practically any amplifier, since it connects to the same output terminals as your main speaker wire is connected to.
@ thank you for taking the time to reply! One last question in your S series you have a model that is a double stack, is that as good as two individual subs or works differently because it’s in one chassis? Thank you!
So well done. Many thanks, John.
The difference is night and day. Nice demo. What were the models used? Speakers and sub?
They look like my Sonus Faber Toy Towers! I run mine with a pair of T/7x and it's such an enjoyable full-sounding, complete system.
@@craigforeman903 toy towers and a s/510
Dear John, thank you indeed. I wonder if you can upload these tracks or alternatively provide the link for the original file. It is really not so easy to locate it at amazon or/and apple music.
The track used in this video is called "On my Mind", by Pierre Antoine Sylverstre, Frederic Dubois & Alvin Amaizo. It's track 7 on their album "Soul Taste".
..I’ve owned many prs of full range speakers and have always run parallel subs. Properly positioned with reasonable levels improve the soundstage immensely..
Totally agree
i cant go back to my system listening without a pair of REL
Same here. Even the most expensive speakers benefit from a pair of REL subwoofers.
Will an upgraded high level input cord improve the sound, also vibration control under the feet?
A Bass Line Blue cable will improve the sound quite a bit however will not improve an vibrations, that has to do with the construction of your home. We're good but not that good. If you are talking about the feet of the subwoofer simple blue tact under the feet works wonders if on a hard surface.
@ ok thank you. I really wanna maximize my two rail subs running into my integrated.
The demo starts at 4:28 You’re welcome to
🤣thanks for the quick link
Great Demo!
Thanks you
I lent a friend my JLs and he did a recording/, demo of 1 of my JLs against his 510 using "Pilliars 1" by Andy Akiho and Sandbox Percussion, and the JL did the REL things you talk about all the time, better than the 510. And the REL was in the better location.
i looked up the song, impressive bass :) thanks for commenting.
In my opinion, they are the two big players in the subwoofer market.
Listening is like eating, everyone has different tastes even when it’s the same dish
@@RELAcoustics He still very much prefers his S510. Just for that track, the JL won. For all others, it's the REL. In his recording, the JL brought the venue into the room better. It was quite interesting. I still need to experience a REL. My JLs get a little heavy handed at times with delicate passages and miss out on some tonality. They served me well for many years, but are the weak link after I upgraded my speakers a couple of years ago. I think I need to try a pair of 812's if I try REL in the future. My speakers are flat to 26hz, so I need the sub to go down to at least 20. I'd prefer flat to 18 for music.
@@dicmccoy Serie S is the line to go for that’ll get you down to 20hz.
I don't quite understand the parameters of that test. If you just unplug the subwoofer without changing the setting on the crossover, you loose the whole frequency spectrum, the subwoofer was playing, so of course it would sound incredibely thin.
Or was there no crossover implented whatsoever? So the sub actually played the same signal as the speakers, which were operating full range?
Could be of course but it sure sounds like there was a XO implemented and they just didn't bother to let the speakers play full range.
Also, was there another mic recording at the listening position? Because if you take the sound from right up against the speakers, like the mics we see, it won't capture what you'd hear at the listening position sinec bass frequencies are vastly different depending on where you are in the room realtive to the speakers(subwoofers).
The speaker are playing a full rang signal. The rel came in underneath and extended the range. That’s what we were trying to highlight
@@RELAcoustics Thx for the explanation. So the mics we see in the video are the ones which recorded this track?
@@floz9718 That is correct, the audio you hear in this video was recorded at the same time as the picture/video, using the microphones shown in front of the speakers and subwoofer.
Next time do it with two RELs with none/one/both in.
great idea!!!
Maybe a stupid question from a beginner, but how do you tell if the Rel isn't just adding bass to a track that should not have that much bass in it? Perhaps the recording is not supposed to sound that full and heavy?
Thank you for reaching out. A subwoofer isn't able to add low-frequency content that isn't already present in the recording, we do recommend tuning a REL using reliable and familiar reference tracks so that it is set to be equal in output level with your system's main loudspeakers. Once this has been set using a known reference, you will be able to trust that the subwoofer is not unnecessarily adding bass when you play a new recording.
I am not against subwoofers at all but do not feel they are necessary with better tower speakers like my Martin Logan XT F100s. I tried adding a sub and found that all it did was add room vibrations, and yes, I know how to properly dial in a subwoofer. I think a lot of people prefer exaggerated bass. I prefer a neutral sound.
I have old Rel Q50 and after listening this, my impressions are the same;- Soundstage gets more open and bigger and overall sound gets a little bit rounder/softer. Same thing With stand speakers and with floor standers.
don't forget the added extension. 🤗
Can a REL subwoofer be added to a system that is comprised of a pair of Klipsch AL5 LaScalas powered by a PrimaLuna EV 300 integrated tube amplifier? I am unsure given how little power is being used by the system to play music. I am not sure enough watts are being sent out of the EVO 300 to sufficiently trigger the REL and, in turn, power the LaScalas. Might anyone know because we would choose to run a pair of REL subs with one for each speaker/channel if they could work in this highly efficient, low watts system. The LaScalas would certainly benefit from a REL subwoofer. Thanks!
The HT predator as a pair connected low level or a pair of 212/sx is the way to go
If you feel that a pair of 212/sx subs would work with so few watts, that would be fantastic. Thank you!
@@Tnapvrvideo you should contact the office by emailing contactus@rel.net
Very noticeable.
I have 2 REL S510's in my system and am wowed by their presentation. That being said, I do not feel the demo was realistic. Ideally, there should be two mics at the listening position to mimic what the sweet spot would hear. So all would understand the contribution the makes or takes away from the sound. Placing the mics directly in front of the drivers only tell us what the speaker output is.
Thanks for the feedback. The goal is to show the difference in the cleanest way possible. Maybe we'll pick up the correct mics for room recording and do it again.
Subwoofers should be used in pairs. My 2 SVS SB-16 Ultras produce live performance BASS with visceral impact.
Pairs are definitely better than a single and one is better than zero but the best is 6 🤪. Space is often a limiting factor but for those fortunate enough to have a room that'll accommodate a pair I'm sure will all agree the leap up from a single to a stereo pair is dramatic.
I sold my REL, just doesn’t do it for me.
thanks for the demo. wouldn't it be a more fair demo with stereo mic setup in the listening position instead of near field recording.
Thanks for the feedback... maybe something like that might happen in the future.
Anemic 20.7s couple years
2/Rel Carbon Specials center
I have a much cheaper (but still good and musical) subwoofer than a REL, and I can never go back to 2-channel listening without a sub. Everything in the sound is improved with a good sub.
A Ferrari and a Honda civic both get you to point B. However both provide a different experience
@RELAcoustics I am on your side of the argument here.
The best subwoofer is a second subwoofer.
ok, now, let's do the opposite. Bring in some quality speakers with 15 inch woofers and see if you can add to those. I'm not doubting REL subs or pushing another brand I just want to see what it can add to a more advanced system.
Agree
idiot quality speakrs, 15 inch woofer, price sky rockets, sure better SQ, ... but here normal day to day speakers with simple amp plus basic rel sub... great sound.. half price of ur idiotic idea.
You are right, with the right size speaker sub is not necessary. Mostly the integration is better too.
@@vinoheart
"Idiot quality speakers" What in the hell does that even mean? My comment wasn't about someone with MORE MONEY than you, so stop "jumping the gun" and taking things personally! Maybe think before you type (if you can even think.) In fact, one can buy a low cost quality speaker with 15 inch woofers in the used market even if that speaker was built 35-40 years ago. You automatically think I must be talking about speakers that cost $200,000 dollars or more. *You are wrong!* I do not have the money for those speakers! You are the one showing your idiotic thoughts!
@@GBatya
Not at all true. Just because a speaker has a 15 inch woofer that does not mean you will get the lows of a sub-woofer. It doesn't work that way. Sub-woofers work in a completely different manor. In fact, the 15 inch woofer is slowly going away in these very high priced speakers (you haven't noticed?) They're still out there, but as I said disappearing. 15 inch woofers were the norm for floor standers for many decades, and yes, there's a big difference in floor standers and bookshelf. Today, most (not all.) of what were called bookshelf are now on speaker stands, Not at all common back in the day.
Meh! Sorry, not a true in room demo. Mics less than 1 meter from drivers in a well acoustically treated room does not equate to what the system would sound in a "budget" conscious room.
REL subs are excellent for music, that is unquestionable. The demo itself is nonetheless misleading, in my opinion.
Thanks for the feedback. Another thing to note is the impact and feeling can't be felt like a real demo. This is a basic attempt to highlight the difference a REL makes to a system showing an A/b comparison, this is nothing like a true demo in a store or a friends home.
Cringy demo..
Thanks for the feedback. Would love to hear your thoughts on how we can improve.
For those shopping, any reasonable sub does this.
I had many good subs in the last 25 years but no others sub sounds like a Rel🤙
Couldn’t be more wrong
I have had a few different subs and they are not all the same 🤣
Didn’t mean to anger the REL cultists, but now that it’s done… you do know that REL subs are a joke right? Overpriced jewelry that doesn’t perform. Step outside your echo chamber and you will see that many groups laugh at REL owners and tell them to get a real sub. Can’t play loud or low without sounding like a mess. I guess they work for listening to vinyl at 70db haha
As a sound engineer I don't know why the terms small and compressed are being used when the subwoofer is unplugged. Nothing is being compressed. If those floor standing speakers roll off at say 45hz -3db , when the sub is added the system probably extends down to around 25hz -3db. If those speakers used were larger with bigger bass divers, the sub would have less of an impact in the frequency response. That sub being a design for home , is a very small cabinet, with a large drive unit. So the speaker will have to be forced to work harder at low frequencies with electronics that boost those lower octives. Nothing clever going on here.
Awesome❤❤❤ demo, I am convinced 😃