@@NewZeroland I keep on dipping my toes into editing, then get tired of it and prefer just riding. Hell, I barely shoot video with my drone anymore since I enjoy stills so much more. I get ya.
Haha so cool vid again. 😂 Really fun to watch. Espacialy in the beginning. It's so satisfying to see how i inspired someone else on the opposite hemisphere. This really means a lot to me 👍🏼 Thanks for mention my vid and the + 🔋
More drag in winter because the air is more dense. Great range test, it's really handy to be able to directly compare both bikes. Such amazing scenery in NZ even in winter.👍
Ahh, makes sense! Thanks :D I can't wait to get out on more rides as soon as it warms up. Since most people aren't able to come visit NZ, I might as well share video of what it's like here!
@@NewZeroland great for ICE engine's as you get more oxygen to burn to create power, but more drag as the air is heavier as it's cold so sinks nearer the ground, basically it's "thicker". Look FWD to more content and senary.⚡🏍️
Your channel have a small niche following but it has awesome content and very detailed information for Zero fans and enthusiasts. Always looking forward for your next video.
Great video! That was tons of fun. I’d have to watch it a few times to be able to comment on all the fun aspects. I totally respect you not wanting to test the traction control. It’s your brand new bike. The amount of work you went through to get it is enough to make anyone want to baby the bike. Or maybe it just seemed like more work from this end because of all the suspense you were building up about it. The tunnel acceleration noise was sweet. Thanks for sharing and be as safe as fun allows. :-)
Thanks bro! Eventually I'll build up the courage to do a blast with traction control off. That'll be a video in the near future, actually. I feel like TC and regen are both limiting my power, but have to test it out to confirm. Expect more tunnel accelerations very soon haha.
Another Sam classic! Great video… Informative and funny! 👍😊 And you're spot on about about when it comes to riding further, of course. Even if you hadn't neutered the Zero by removing its dangly parts, it still can't beat a bit of juicy CCS on the Energica.
Thanks bro! I'll be honest.. I miss having fast chargers on the Zero, but it's only used for commuting now and Jenn likes how light it is. Until Zero comes out with CCS, we'll keep our little Hyosung 250 for longer trips. I feel like one is coming soon!
Great range I thought Sam and loved the video of the journey, another amble down memory lane. I always love the journey along by the sea awesome. Thanks for the video. I went via Paramata last year across to Haywards. Take care from London!
Nice! I love that ride. I'm hoping to get out again this weekend for a quick ride over to Martinborough, so get ready for more scenic travel videos haha.
I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm definitely going to give that route a try this weekend. Look forward to more battles between the Energica and Zero.
Loved the "Lex" Intro nice 😂 Great video Driving without a charger on would REALLY give me range anxiety for sure though 🤣 Your winter is still summer to other people so you got NO excuse to not go out and ride some more... We still haven't seen all of New Zealand
Agreed! I’m getting tired of Wellington 😂. I think you need to make a trip up to Auckland and ride around there for a while. Or the South Island. Dang. I need to get back there and ride it myself! 🏍🏍🏍🏞🌄🌌😢
@@JediLeba haha definitely man. As soon as things warm up I'm hoping to do a day trip to Auckland (to see if I can do it in a day) and I'm definitely planning a South Island trip soon.
Such a practical use of the two electrics! Why has it taken so long for a head-to-head like this??! Cheers for giving the public what they wanted and needed! I was hunching that our new Energicas were more efficient at speed, but seeing it compared in the apps sealed that result :) As you said, it's 100% more power needed to move more weight at low speed! I can also confirm that the route you took is very mixed, so although not scientifically accurate, it's very common for a pleasure ride. All these short clips, segues, trolls, and animations really make your vids fun to watch as well as informative...thanks mate!
Dude, thanks so much! That means a lot. Now I need to find out what the "realistic" range is in a whole day of riding, and compare that to a super fuel-efficient gas bike ;) And of course.. a full-power run on the Energica!
@@NewZeroland i am so happy our brake lights flashhhhh! I had no idea too. I figured you might have mentioned about the brake light functioning when you were following me around Coro, but new bikes and wet weather and new scenery meant there were other things vying for your attention. I'll ask someone next time to confirm it, but assume it happens whenever regen is actuated? So cool!
@@octopusenvy I never noticed! Actually I think it's only on level 3 and 4 regen, when the regen is strong enough to slow you down like brakes. It lasts as long as the regen is going, but stops pulsing at a certain slow speed. So cool!
Colder air makes more drag since it is denser (p V= n R T). If the bikes use speed sensors (instead relying on gps) then distance measured will depend on how close tires are pressurised to the referent value.
Nice haha it's cool to see how much the plastic makes them that much more aerodynamic! Cant wait to see the real range on the sr/s I just got to find a dealer that will let me take one out.. I'm getting a sr/ just want to compare the f and s I loved the f so we shall see when I take out the s
Excellent review. I wonder how the SR/S with the full fairing compares to the Energica. And dude, you need a disclaimer saying that people can't drink while watching the video. Do you have any idea what kind of mess the cat on the speedo caused? ;)
HAHA thanks man. The SR/S gets more range than my smaller-battery Energica (and slightly more than my Zero SR). It doesn't beat a newer Energica though.
Couple questions: were you in an upright or tucked position on your bike at 100 K’s when you took the kilowatt reading ? Also, I have a also taken my back license plate fender off my DS. If I go through a puddle my back gets all wet. It’s sucks. I take it the same thing happens with your zero? Your wife must not like that. I need a fix for it. I’m not going back to the stock fender though.
When I recorded the kW readings I was sitting upright on both bikes, so all I can think is that the naked bike used more energy because I was getting hit head-on by the wind. Regarding the water spray.. what about using something similar to an SR/F? One of those swingarm-mounted fenders. That might work, but I'm not sure if anyone makes them for Zeros.
I don't have to worry about shiny road surfaces around here; the grit, furrows and pot-holes break up the light. It's all very thrilling and makes me glad I got a DSR :D
Great video Sam. You should have mentioned the total lack of traction control on the old Zero though - and still now, on all the new ones, (apart from the new-generation SR/F and SR/S) - the cause of many, many spills. FWIW, my friend Carla and I did a long-distance comparison between an Energica Eva and a Zero DSR way back in 2016, from Birmingham to Anglesey (UK). Also, it would be good if you could open your mouth just a little bit more when you speak to improve your enunciation. You speak as if you're trying to foil all the lip-readers! :-)
Haha sorry, my accent is all over the place and I have that American mumble. I think I remember seeing that test you did! Both bikes are great in their own ways, but for distance, the Energica is king.
nice vid as always, fun and with useful info. what was the tuck-in protocol for the highway energy usage ? on my sr it makes an insane difference, in terms of live wh/km I do like 80 sitting normally and 50 in full tuck-in with nothing sticking out at 110kph.
I have the Zero touring windshield, and I think it makes an appreciable difference in efficiency on the highway. Really the biggest part of the drag is your body shaped just like a parachute to catch the air, and a windshield alone makes a big difference in deflecting the air away from that. I take the windshield off in the summer, though, for better cooling and less wind noise in the helmet. Most of my riding up to this point has been city at 80 kmph and less because of the charging situation, so aero drag hasn't been an issue. Now that I can recharge in less than an hour, I do think it may be worthwhile designing a real fairing. That might make it more efficient than the Energica even at high speed, as well as a bunch of other benefits that apply to touring but not commuting.
Absolutely! I've heard great things about the Hollywood Electrics fairing, but if you want to go even further with a dustbin style fairing, the potential for doubling your range is pretty high. I'm so glad Zero finally designed something with the SR/S. If they can get their charging speeds higher, it'll be an amazing bike!
Good video. Surprising result on the speed test I didn't expect the difference to be that large. High tire pressure means less tire flex. That means less rolling resistance, cooler tires, and importantly *less traction* At a track day running lower tire pressure heats tires more quickly while giving a larger contact patch, *more traction*
Great point! No wonder I felt uneasy on those wet roads haha. As soon as it warms up over here I really want to hit the track. I need to learn how to ride this thing. It's so different from the Zero!
This was a cool comparison I would love you to revisit because of two things. Was Jen tucking during the ride as you were? What if you put the official commuter or or other universal windshield? I think those two things would male a more interesting head to head battle.
Thanks! Yep, Jenn was tucking the same amount as I was, and when I measured with the apps, I wasn't tucking on either bike. One huge thing I forgot to check was how many kWh's each bike used to go that distance.
Hi m8 I've got a question. So when emergency braking in a manual car or an ice bike I would usually always pull the clutch and go full braking power. When on an ICE bike this makes the throttle input irrelevant as you might mess up your hand movements while pulling the front brake. How does that work with zeros or energicas since there is no clutch. Does the front brake disengage the engine? Or could you pull the front brake and add throttle at the same time . So kinda a burnout situation? 🤔 Would love to know. Did anything like that ever happen to you while emergency braking? Greetings musicbreaker ✌🏻
Hey thanks for the comment. Electric motors are only running when you're on-throttle, so when you let go, it's either coasting or slowing you down with regen. It acts very similar to a gas engine most of the time, but with adjustable engine braking. The physical brakes are separate to the motor though, so if you wanted to do a burnout you totally could 😛
@@NewZeroland thx for your reply :) I know about regen and adjustable engine breaking and you answered my question by confirming burnouts are possible. But what I was thinking is - if you're breaking in an emergency and at the same time you pull the throttle because of panic wouldn't that be an issue?
@@musicbreakerlp I guess you should hit the kill switch if you're worried about the motor still moving. That's one way to "pull in the clutch" if you want to coast.
Hey NZ, I now you have an in with Zero. Have you heard whispers about backwards compatibility? You know like being able to buy a higher kilowatt battery for an old SR? Or being able to retrofit an existing SR to use DC fast charging?
I don't 😂 and I haven't heard anything. You can definitely upgrade your battery if you want to spend a few grand to do it, but DC charging isn't a thing yet. I feel like that'd require a complete battery redesign 😳
@@NewZeroland Well, it would seem a huge advantage of elec moto, is the ability to design the current gen battery to fit in a certain size box. Then every 10 years, replace it with a new battery, all they have to do is make the new battery fit in the same box...
"Especially without a charger," that's a legit trollface, sir. 🤣 80 miles range on a standard battery in winter still seems pretty good, assuming you aren't trying to go on an unplanned adventure.
awesome video as always. Obvious choice is still the Energica. I'd sacrifice 9% battery to be able to fast charge a bike (without adding thousands of dollars of charging gear to do so). I hope Energica or Zero releases something super cool in about 2 years, just sold my SR/F and will be travelling for a while. I'd like to see a new and improved battery on the zero along with DC fast charging. Not sure what I'd like to see from Energica that is realistic in 2 years.
Whoa, travelling? Right now?? I was under the impression most of the world was shut down! I'm with ya on battery tech. There seems to be a huge leap forward every 5 years, so Zero is due for one. Energica upgraded their street bikes to have the big race batteries, so we'll see how those go and if they do something else in the next few years.
Love your winter scenery. Totaly fine by me. Think the extra gearing on Ego adds to the kW difference on slow speeds. Before aerodynamics take over for the high speed win. Make next intiro a more German voice to do Lex 😂
I'm satisfied with the Energica range. If you consider that you now have 21.5 kWh batteries on new motorcycles. I did 250 km tours with my Esseesse9 + with mixed driving (without reload). Although I never drive in sport mode.
I think the Energica's transmission robs some power, and that reduces its efficiency vs Zero's direct drive. Also, don't you think removing the charger from the Zero helps save in energy consumption a bit?
Hey, yeah totally. If you can find a Zero with a power tank (the extra battery in the tank area) it would be no problem. The normal Zero might be right on it's range limit though.
WAIT! The + is a lot more $$$$ and it will also nearly DOUBLE your charging time. Also, it will take longer to go on a distance trip due to the longer charging. So there's merit in getting the 2020MY like Sam and I have...but if you are only commuting, it might be easier to just spend more and get the + model. But in good Cali weather, the 2020 will do your 75miles at 60-70mph.
one thing is that the energica is using it's italian-built readings and the zero on it's american-built readings (not sure how i feel about italians and the quality of their own computers to begin with lol). But everything from battery percentages to even the most accurate measurement of distance is really up to the discretion of the display between each manufacturer (it's up to the quality of the guys who made the electronics). If it had to be something sorta scientific, i'd be using an independent app with GPS to calculate both, and then to eliminate discrepancies in displayed "range" and battery %s, inevitably we'd have to run them both dry. As you've seen forever with anything electric, % means little. the very last % can give you 800% the average range of each of the other 99 or it can go from 10% to 0 in a mile each.
High performance clocks! Yeah that makes sense. I wonder if the riding lines we took made a difference as well, or if that would be too subtle to notice.
Dealership? What’s that?! 😉 Always nice but due to the low maintenance of these bikes, and the great support of the e-mbike community; I’d say if you want one, get one! I did, in the same situation, and it’s been a breeze.
Seriously though, this is really useful stuff. Nice to see some ~steady state numbers. Ego+ is looking better and better for my needs. Best start saving my pennies...
@@jrevillug thanks! The + models all blow my mind and I wish I had one. Finally electric motorcycles have reached a place where buying a gas bike doesn't make sense :D
Interesting! So in average you got 9kwh/100km or 90wh/km which is exactly the same amount I’ll get from my Esse Esse 9 through the alps. And I tried the same route with a zero srf and got a little bit more than 80wh/km. Both got 80kw motor, but the zero is much lighter. So I would say - it is the weight. Unless you will be going 200km/h on a German Autobahn. Then … you’ll get very high numbers 😅
Every owner of an Italian motorcycle will confirm that its clocks are going faster. On my 1976 Moto Guzzi i was cruising at 120kph feelin great until i looked in the mirror noticing several trucks piling up behind me. Only older Tesla chargers switched to Legacy mode will charge Type 2......sadly.
@@NewZeroland When you think about it its the same 14.3 kWh battery but bike is heavier and has fatter tyres so it all makes sense. Also the motor is much bigger on the SRF so twist that throttle to the max (with everything set 100%) and eat those electrons. However give me the performance and grip of the SRF anytime, with more delicate use of the throttle speeds would be down to the DSR and 100 miles possible.....Ive not got the self control so never managed to find out!
@@NewZeroland I run GSXR 1000 K5, Cagiva Raptor 1000 and some classics like Honda CB750 K0. The SRF is same weight as the CB at 220Kg, more pulling power than the V twin Raptor and more rolling acceleration than the GSXR any speed between 40 to 85 mph (pretty much where you always end up) on the road, the SRF has the ideal performance envelope for me
@@slartybartfarst9737 The real game-changer is when the 2021 Zero bikes (SRF & SRS) come out with a >20kwh battery...charging will be an issue but range will be BIG BIG BIG compared to what we've all been used to. I'd have to guess that assuming their historical pattern, 2021 SRF/SRS will just be slight adjustments and other colours, and maybe 2022 might get DCFC? But a bigger battery in 2021 if they have it, would really make sense to release on the leading 'commuter' bike.
So is it just mine or does anyone else's zero drop 1KM of range every 10 seconds once you get past 20%? It's really frustrating that it seems like you should have about 140-160KM of range but once you get much past 120 it starts dropping really quick down to an effective 130KM range in my experience. Yes I'm in the USA so riding about 120KPH most of the time which I know kills the range but it's consistence until it isn't. Took the RSV4 out the other day, it's a really different bike different from everything I've ever ridden and boy I did not miss the heat of an ICE bike in the summer here.
I've experienced that too.. the last 20% drops crazy fast! I'm not sure why. Then again, it also drops on my gas bike 😂 I feel like I have another 20 miles but the dash is freaking out saying the tank is empty. Mysteries of the universe, man.
Yes, in my experience you have to ride *really* gently to get more than 80 miles/130kms on a Zero (2018 DSR). 100miles/160kms is possible, but you have to pussy-foot a lot of the time to achieve it.
Damn after looking at the battery specs I see why there's a drastic difference in range. One is 300V and the other is 100v output lol that Energica has a massive output and larger motor. Big motors are better on high speed due to their size but suck on low speed dud to their size lol
It is a pity you did not enter the average speed during the test. I assume it was about 50 km/h. A bit ridiculous for a motorcycle that looks like it could go 300.
That is not so difficult if we consider the percentage scale being lineair. Zero 12.5 has net capacity of 11kWh. 74% used is 8.14 kWh on 110km is 74Wh per km. Energica has 11.7 kWh nominal capacity and 83% used is 9.7 kWh on 110km is 88Wh per km.
Got a question. Ever thought about adding insulation into the battery itself to reduce the cold.. Not sure what type would be ideal for your application, but this stuff is ideal for confined spaces and comes in varying thicknesses so you could encapsulate the cells and slide the case back onto the battery or line the case and slide the cells back into the case. bellis.com.au/bellis-and-aspen-aerogel/ The insulation I think has also come down in price too.
@@garystinten9339 someone was experimenting with a neoprene cover to wrap the battery in, and it seemed to work really well. I guess the issue is when you need to charge fast, the battery heats up, so you wouldn't want the insulation then. Some kind of active cooling/heating to keep it the same temperature would be amazing, but that adds more weight, so it's always a trade-off.
@@NewZeroland Wouldn't get far at -30C on a Zero, according to the owners manual power is cut off at -30C to prevent battery death. Not that it affects us here in NZ, lowest ever recorded temp -26C in 1903. How low can the Energica go? 🥶🧊
@@NewZeroland 🤣 traveling that short of a distance for double the price for an insane recharge time? If I want to go on the highway I don't want to stop every 70 miles to recharge... also, do you hear yourself talking about a 30 minute charge? 30 minutes when you can refill and not have to stop nearly as often with a regular bike.
@@aronmiller7648 yeah it takes way longer than gas bikes. I think the appeal of electrics is that you can charge them at home, so most of the time you'd never wait for them to charge. Every morning they're 100% fueled up and ready to go. On road trips they're still limited, but the riding experience is better. No vibration, no shifting gears, no waiting for the power to kick in. I know it's convenient to fill up in 2 minutes but it's not worth compromising ride quality for me. I can't go back to a gas bike haha.
@@NewZeroland Nothing against it whatever makes you happy. But, the shifting gears part to me is part of the experience. I will saying riding around town would not be bad at all for an electric bike. Around town would be pretty fun for me at least.
@@aronmiller7648 yeah you're totally right. Range is up to 120-130 miles on the new bikes but charging is still too slow. It shouldn't take too long though. Electric motorcycles have only really existed for ~8 years and they're improving fast.
@@NewZeroland peace to you, brother. I have to check but you should do a video on comparing New Zealand to USA. more excuses to ride! hahah it’s a win win.
“We saw a a chicken and wondered why it wanted to cross the road...” OMG that killed me.
Really good range though on both bikes.
Haha thanks man! Yeah, plenty of range for what we need them for. For as short as that ride was, it took about 2 hours.
"whoaaaaa clickbait" gave a good chuckle, thanks for mixing in fun stuff. Great video as always.
Thanks man! It took 2 hours to ride and like 2 weeks to edit haha. Here's hoping I can speed things up soon.
@@NewZeroland I keep on dipping my toes into editing, then get tired of it and prefer just riding. Hell, I barely shoot video with my drone anymore since I enjoy stills so much more. I get ya.
@@bradk6172 I'm jealous of your drone! I crashed mine in the water too many times and I'm not allowed to buy another one 😂
@@NewZeroland Oh noes! I'm sorry to hear that! Mega bummer.
Haha so cool vid again. 😂 Really fun to watch. Espacialy in the beginning.
It's so satisfying to see how i inspired someone else on the opposite hemisphere. This really means a lot to me 👍🏼
Thanks for mention my vid and the + 🔋
Absolutely, bro! Thank you for making such fun videos and getting me more interested in Energicas :D
You two crack me up, especially with all the nods to eachother. 👍
@@NewZeroland Whoops i am guilty 🙄
Meme game is getting better and better :P
Bwahaha thanks :D
More drag in winter because the air is more dense.
Great range test, it's really handy to be able to directly compare both bikes. Such amazing scenery in NZ even in winter.👍
Ahh, makes sense! Thanks :D I can't wait to get out on more rides as soon as it warms up. Since most people aren't able to come visit NZ, I might as well share video of what it's like here!
@@NewZeroland great for ICE engine's as you get more oxygen to burn to create power, but more drag as the air is heavier as it's cold so sinks nearer the ground, basically it's "thicker". Look FWD to more content and senary.⚡🏍️
Your channel have a small niche following but it has awesome content and very detailed information for Zero fans and enthusiasts. Always looking forward for your next video.
Thanks man! I love electric motorcycles and hopefully by making these videos, people can see how fun they are and want to ride them too 😁
Man, I hadn’t watched your videos in a while and so happy I came back.
Thanks Kaze! Things got pretty crazy this past year. You have a whole south island road trip to binge if ya want 😂
Great video! That was tons of fun. I’d have to watch it a few times to be able to comment on all the fun aspects.
I totally respect you not wanting to test the traction control. It’s your brand new bike. The amount of work you went through to get it is enough to make anyone want to baby the bike. Or maybe it just seemed like more work from this end because of all the suspense you were building up about it. The tunnel acceleration noise was sweet. Thanks for sharing and be as safe as fun allows. :-)
Thanks bro! Eventually I'll build up the courage to do a blast with traction control off. That'll be a video in the near future, actually. I feel like TC and regen are both limiting my power, but have to test it out to confirm. Expect more tunnel accelerations very soon haha.
Another Sam classic! Great video… Informative and funny! 👍😊
And you're spot on about about when it comes to riding further, of course. Even if you hadn't neutered the Zero by removing its dangly parts, it still can't beat a bit of juicy CCS on the Energica.
Thanks bro! I'll be honest.. I miss having fast chargers on the Zero, but it's only used for commuting now and Jenn likes how light it is. Until Zero comes out with CCS, we'll keep our little Hyosung 250 for longer trips. I feel like one is coming soon!
@@NewZeroland I have a similar feeling. They must be pig-sick of hearing us electro-nuts whinging on about it! 😂
Glad you’re making videos again! I love your Zero videos!
Thanks man! Expect more Zero content soon :D
Great range I thought Sam and loved the video of the journey, another amble down memory lane. I always love the journey along by the sea awesome. Thanks for the video. I went via Paramata last year across to Haywards. Take care from London!
Nice! I love that ride. I'm hoping to get out again this weekend for a quick ride over to Martinborough, so get ready for more scenic travel videos haha.
Loved this one. I about fell put of my chair at work laughing while I watched it. Btw if you didn't know, it got posted up on rideapart.
It did??? 😮😵😳 Whoa man! And thanks 😁
Miles translates to "Muricas". You're awesome, Sam! Thanks for another excellent vid. 😁
Bwahaha thanks 😁
I don't know about anyone else here, but I'm definitely going to give that route a try this weekend. Look forward to more battles between the Energica and Zero.
Nice!! It's a fun one. Really narrow, and the road quality is sketchy, but I guess that sums up most roads here :P
Loved the "Lex" Intro nice 😂
Great video
Driving without a charger on would REALLY give me range anxiety for sure though 🤣
Your winter is still summer to other people so you got NO excuse to not go out and ride some more... We still haven't seen all of New Zealand
Hahaha great point! I'm going on a ride today so get ready for a video of more cool places!
Best Intro ever 👍🏼
Agreed! I’m getting tired of Wellington 😂. I think you need to make a trip up to Auckland and ride around there for a while. Or the South Island. Dang. I need to get back there and ride it myself! 🏍🏍🏍🏞🌄🌌😢
@@JediLeba haha definitely man. As soon as things warm up I'm hoping to do a day trip to Auckland (to see if I can do it in a day) and I'm definitely planning a South Island trip soon.
Great video, Sam. Your editing chops are muy bueno. Chant: Zero, Zero, Zero, Zero, Zero! That's what I was doing while watching this video.
Hahha thanks bro! Even a 5 year old Zero can go further than a 2020 Energica. Who woulda thought??
@@NewZeroland It is interesting. Definitely an indicator of quality for Zero.
First video ever watched on this channel, and you sir have a new subscriber. :)
Whoa nice! Thank you sir 😁
Great test, data, jokes, great everything.
Wow, thanks so much!
Such a practical use of the two electrics! Why has it taken so long for a head-to-head like this??! Cheers for giving the public what they wanted and needed! I was hunching that our new Energicas were more efficient at speed, but seeing it compared in the apps sealed that result :) As you said, it's 100% more power needed to move more weight at low speed! I can also confirm that the route you took is very mixed, so although not scientifically accurate, it's very common for a pleasure ride. All these short clips, segues, trolls, and animations really make your vids fun to watch as well as informative...thanks mate!
Dude, thanks so much! That means a lot. Now I need to find out what the "realistic" range is in a whole day of riding, and compare that to a super fuel-efficient gas bike ;) And of course.. a full-power run on the Energica!
@@NewZeroland i am so happy our brake lights flashhhhh! I had no idea too. I figured you might have mentioned about the brake light functioning when you were following me around Coro, but new bikes and wet weather and new scenery meant there were other things vying for your attention. I'll ask someone next time to confirm it, but assume it happens whenever regen is actuated? So cool!
@@octopusenvy I never noticed! Actually I think it's only on level 3 and 4 regen, when the regen is strong enough to slow you down like brakes. It lasts as long as the regen is going, but stops pulsing at a certain slow speed. So cool!
Colder air makes more drag since it is denser (p V= n R T). If the bikes use speed sensors (instead relying on gps) then distance measured will depend on how close tires are pressurised to the referent value.
Yep, for sure. That makes sense!
Nice haha it's cool to see how much the plastic makes them that much more aerodynamic! Cant wait to see the real range on the sr/s I just got to find a dealer that will let me take one out.. I'm getting a sr/ just want to compare the f and s I loved the f so we shall see when I take out the s
That'll be really interesting to find out. Apparently the SR/S is way more efficient.
“Winter, 17C. 🤣
That’s pretty close to ideal temperatures for an EV
HAHA I dunno if that temp gauge is correct. We rode in sub-zero weather and it still said 12C.
Excellent review. I wonder how the SR/S with the full fairing compares to the Energica.
And dude, you need a disclaimer saying that people can't drink while watching the video. Do you have any idea what kind of mess the cat on the speedo caused? ;)
HAHA thanks man. The SR/S gets more range than my smaller-battery Energica (and slightly more than my Zero SR). It doesn't beat a newer Energica though.
Couple questions: were you in an upright or tucked position on your bike at 100 K’s when you took the kilowatt reading ? Also, I have a also taken my back license plate fender off my DS. If I go through a puddle my back gets all wet. It’s sucks. I take it the same thing happens with your zero? Your wife must not like that. I need a fix for it. I’m not going back to the stock fender though.
When I recorded the kW readings I was sitting upright on both bikes, so all I can think is that the naked bike used more energy because I was getting hit head-on by the wind. Regarding the water spray.. what about using something similar to an SR/F? One of those swingarm-mounted fenders. That might work, but I'm not sure if anyone makes them for Zeros.
NewZeroland NewZeroland One guy on the Zero FB group had a swing arm one fabricated for his SR. I would love one. Thanks for the reply!!
@@Tothefloor oh nice!! Yeah, that'd totally be the way to go. Good luck!
WooHoo New video!
Thanks for your effort and educating the people.
Hey thanks for watching! Glad ya liked it :D
I don't have to worry about shiny road surfaces around here; the grit, furrows and pot-holes break up the light. It's all very thrilling and makes me glad I got a DSR :D
I'm so jealous 😂😭
Great video Sam. You should have mentioned the total lack of traction control on the old Zero though - and still now, on all the new ones, (apart from the new-generation SR/F and SR/S) - the cause of many, many spills. FWIW, my friend Carla and I did a long-distance comparison between an Energica Eva and a Zero DSR way back in 2016, from Birmingham to Anglesey (UK). Also, it would be good if you could open your mouth just a little bit more when you speak to improve your enunciation. You speak as if you're trying to foil all the lip-readers! :-)
Haha sorry, my accent is all over the place and I have that American mumble. I think I remember seeing that test you did! Both bikes are great in their own ways, but for distance, the Energica is king.
And...
...STILL, the eMotorcycle video champion of the world, New Zeroland.
Bwahaha thanks so much! 😂😁
nice vid as always, fun and with useful info. what was the tuck-in protocol for the highway energy usage ? on my sr it makes an insane difference, in terms of live wh/km I do like 80 sitting normally and 50 in full tuck-in with nothing sticking out at 110kph.
Thanks! I should have posted about that, but tucking shaved off 2-3kW. It was really impressive!
I have the Zero touring windshield, and I think it makes an appreciable difference in efficiency on the highway. Really the biggest part of the drag is your body shaped just like a parachute to catch the air, and a windshield alone makes a big difference in deflecting the air away from that. I take the windshield off in the summer, though, for better cooling and less wind noise in the helmet. Most of my riding up to this point has been city at 80 kmph and less because of the charging situation, so aero drag hasn't been an issue. Now that I can recharge in less than an hour, I do think it may be worthwhile designing a real fairing. That might make it more efficient than the Energica even at high speed, as well as a bunch of other benefits that apply to touring but not commuting.
Absolutely! I've heard great things about the Hollywood Electrics fairing, but if you want to go even further with a dustbin style fairing, the potential for doubling your range is pretty high. I'm so glad Zero finally designed something with the SR/S. If they can get their charging speeds higher, it'll be an amazing bike!
Good video. Surprising result on the speed test I didn't expect the difference to be that large.
High tire pressure means less tire flex. That means less rolling resistance, cooler tires, and importantly *less traction*
At a track day running lower tire pressure heats tires more quickly while giving a larger contact patch, *more traction*
Great point! No wonder I felt uneasy on those wet roads haha. As soon as it warms up over here I really want to hit the track. I need to learn how to ride this thing. It's so different from the Zero!
That was very helpful! Thanks again for a great video!
Cheers bro!
This was a cool comparison I would love you to revisit because of two things. Was Jen tucking during the ride as you were? What if you put the official commuter or or other universal windshield? I think those two things would male a more interesting head to head battle.
Thanks! Yep, Jenn was tucking the same amount as I was, and when I measured with the apps, I wasn't tucking on either bike. One huge thing I forgot to check was how many kWh's each bike used to go that distance.
@@NewZeroland Aww man. Well that will make a pt 2 all the more interesting.
Hi m8 I've got a question.
So when emergency braking in a manual car or an ice bike I would usually always pull the clutch and go full braking power. When on an ICE bike this makes the throttle input irrelevant as you might mess up your hand movements while pulling the front brake.
How does that work with zeros or energicas since there is no clutch. Does the front brake disengage the engine? Or could you pull the front brake and add throttle at the same time . So kinda a burnout situation? 🤔 Would love to know. Did anything like that ever happen to you while emergency braking?
Greetings musicbreaker ✌🏻
Hey thanks for the comment. Electric motors are only running when you're on-throttle, so when you let go, it's either coasting or slowing you down with regen. It acts very similar to a gas engine most of the time, but with adjustable engine braking. The physical brakes are separate to the motor though, so if you wanted to do a burnout you totally could 😛
@@NewZeroland thx for your reply :)
I know about regen and adjustable engine breaking and you answered my question by confirming burnouts are possible.
But what I was thinking is - if you're breaking in an emergency and at the same time you pull the throttle because of panic wouldn't that be an issue?
@@musicbreakerlp I guess you should hit the kill switch if you're worried about the motor still moving. That's one way to "pull in the clutch" if you want to coast.
Don't forget this Zero is 12.5kWh battery and old motor. In 2017 new 13.0kWh battery and more power and efficiency motor. 2018+ 14.4kWh battery.
Yep! The range would be even better on newer Zeros.
Hey NZ, I now you have an in with Zero. Have you heard whispers about backwards compatibility? You know like being able to buy a higher kilowatt battery for an old SR? Or being able to retrofit an existing SR to use DC fast charging?
I don't 😂 and I haven't heard anything. You can definitely upgrade your battery if you want to spend a few grand to do it, but DC charging isn't a thing yet. I feel like that'd require a complete battery redesign 😳
@@NewZeroland Well, it would seem a huge advantage of elec moto, is the ability to design the current gen battery to fit in a certain size box. Then every 10 years, replace it with a new battery, all they have to do is make the new battery fit in the same box...
Great video! ...thanks for making it 😎👍
Cheers! Glad ya liked it.
lol the mighty boosh clip earned you a sub and like
Bwahaha cheers 😁 I loved that show!! Thanks for the sub!
"Especially without a charger," that's a legit trollface, sir. 🤣 80 miles range on a standard battery in winter still seems pretty good, assuming you aren't trying to go on an unplanned adventure.
LOL thanks, and yeah! Not too bad, especially when there are DC stations all over the place. I guess next I'll have to see how far I can go in a day.
@@NewZerolandcan yo explain the mod you did to zero for fast charging...?
@@SniperSnake50BMG look up "diginow chargers" on youtube. That's what I used, but there are a lot of options.
I think if a mod that the zero can go from low to 70 or 80 in about 25 to 30mins would make the zero much more appealing!!
@@SniperSnake50BMG the factory charge tank should be able to do close to that!
awesome video as always. Obvious choice is still the Energica. I'd sacrifice 9% battery to be able to fast charge a bike (without adding thousands of dollars of charging gear to do so). I hope Energica or Zero releases something super cool in about 2 years, just sold my SR/F and will be travelling for a while. I'd like to see a new and improved battery on the zero along with DC fast charging. Not sure what I'd like to see from Energica that is realistic in 2 years.
Whoa, travelling? Right now?? I was under the impression most of the world was shut down! I'm with ya on battery tech. There seems to be a huge leap forward every 5 years, so Zero is due for one. Energica upgraded their street bikes to have the big race batteries, so we'll see how those go and if they do something else in the next few years.
I know exactly what I’d like to see from Energica; only one thing missing from the new + range is a halving of the prices, and it’ll be job done!
@@NewZeroland going to afghanistan. I bet I'll get stuck there longer because of covid
@@Amnpaterson oh no 😳 Good luck bro!
This was great, thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Love your winter scenery. Totaly fine by me. Think the extra gearing on Ego adds to the kW difference on slow speeds. Before aerodynamics take over for the high speed win.
Make next intiro a more German voice to do Lex 😂
THAT is a great point! The gearbox would definitely steal some power.
Great video you even got baby Yoda in lol
Haha thanks, had to 😂
I'm satisfied with the Energica range.
If you consider that you now have 21.5 kWh batteries on new motorcycles.
I did 250 km tours with my Esseesse9 + with mixed driving (without reload).
Although I never drive in sport mode.
Oh dude, the + models are amazing! I'm super jealous of your range 😁💪🔋
@@NewZeroland Because of the video
I always think they're driving on the wrong side of the road 🤣 🤣 🤣
I think the Energica's transmission robs some power, and that reduces its efficiency vs Zero's direct drive. Also, don't you think removing the charger from the Zero helps save in energy consumption a bit?
Yep, absolutely. That makes a lot of sense!
I am looking at Electric bikes currently but need one that can go from Waikanae to Wellington CBD (round trip)? can the Zero manage that trip? Thanks
Hey, yeah totally. If you can find a Zero with a power tank (the extra battery in the tank area) it would be no problem. The normal Zero might be right on it's range limit though.
@@NewZeroland perfect, thanks .. now i'm on the lookout for one!
The funny thing is that's about the same range as a Sportsters with one of those peanut tanks.
Oh wow O_O
I was looking at buying an energica in the states and was wondering if I went 75 miles at average 60-70mph, would I make it? Or do I need the plus?
You'd make it, but just barely. Get the plus, for sure. The weight difference alone is worth it!
WAIT! The + is a lot more $$$$ and it will also nearly DOUBLE your charging time. Also, it will take longer to go on a distance trip due to the longer charging. So there's merit in getting the 2020MY like Sam and I have...but if you are only commuting, it might be easier to just spend more and get the + model. But in good Cali weather, the 2020 will do your 75miles at 60-70mph.
If you want to copy Lex you gotta have more electronic music. When you said "but why" and Ryan Reynolds popped up it made me chuckle lol.
Haha truuuue. Lex is a character XD
one thing is that the energica is using it's italian-built readings and the zero on it's american-built readings (not sure how i feel about italians and the quality of their own computers to begin with lol). But everything from battery percentages to even the most accurate measurement of distance is really up to the discretion of the display between each manufacturer (it's up to the quality of the guys who made the electronics). If it had to be something sorta scientific, i'd be using an independent app with GPS to calculate both, and then to eliminate discrepancies in displayed "range" and battery %s, inevitably we'd have to run them both dry. As you've seen forever with anything electric, % means little. the very last % can give you 800% the average range of each of the other 99 or it can go from 10% to 0 in a mile each.
True! Really I should have measured how many kWh's each bike used, to find out the true efficiency of both.
@evmotocycle if thats a good indicator in relation to what each motorcycle's motor demands for range.
I have noticed Zero's odometer reads about 1-2% high. This has been true across multiple Zeros I've owned. Their clocks run fast too.
High performance clocks! Yeah that makes sense. I wonder if the riding lines we took made a difference as well, or if that would be too subtle to notice.
@@NewZeroland unless Jen does A LOT of weaving, I suspect not.
Really wish Energica would open a dealership in Canada 🇨🇦
Yeah!! I'm sure it's on the way. They have a dealer in Indonesia, so surely Canada will get one 😂
Dealership? What’s that?! 😉 Always nice but due to the low maintenance of these bikes, and the great support of the e-mbike community; I’d say if you want one, get one! I did, in the same situation, and it’s been a breeze.
@@jezthomas4402 well said, Jez! It's totally worth the risk :D
Jez Thomas I don’t need the dealership for maintenance, i need it to avoid high import and duty fees.
A+++ content, would subscribe again.
LOL you're awesome
Seriously though, this is really useful stuff. Nice to see some ~steady state numbers.
Ego+ is looking better and better for my needs. Best start saving my pennies...
@@jrevillug thanks! The + models all blow my mind and I wish I had one. Finally electric motorcycles have reached a place where buying a gas bike doesn't make sense :D
Awesome comparison. I wonder if if you guys switched bikes would it be different.
Thanks! Sadly Jenn can't ride the Energica (it's too tall and heavy!) and our weights aren't different enough to change much.
@@NewZeroland it's strange to realize that the sr you have is. 12.5 and it's still ticking like a clock.
@@250MotoMark Zero builds really solid bikes! Then again there are only like 15k miles on mine haha.
@@NewZeroland Im just over 16k now. And the bike still feels like it's new
@@250MotoMark you're hardcore, man! You ride way more than me XD
Thanks!
Interesting! So in average you got 9kwh/100km or 90wh/km which is exactly the same amount I’ll get from my Esse Esse 9 through the alps. And I tried the same route with a zero srf and got a little bit more than 80wh/km. Both got 80kw motor, but the zero is much lighter. So I would say - it is the weight. Unless you will be going 200km/h on a German Autobahn. Then … you’ll get very high numbers 😅
Ohhh man I'm jealous of your trip through the alps. You picked a great bike for it!
Air density is why, colder air is heavier than hot.
Oh wow, good to know! That makes sense then.
Every owner of an Italian motorcycle will confirm that its clocks are going faster. On my 1976 Moto Guzzi i was cruising at 120kph feelin great until i looked in the mirror noticing several trucks piling up behind me. Only older Tesla chargers switched to Legacy mode will charge Type 2......sadly.
Haha, Italians just wanna go fast.
@@NewZeroland La velocità è molto bella
Excellent review! Thank you 🙏🏻
Thanks for watching!
Ouch 80 miles range.... i live in Dallas Texas ..80 miles is one way to the coffee shop !! I will have to charge at every stop :(((((
The bigger battery Energicas would be a must then!
Great back to back test Ive run Zero DSR range 100 miles and now SRF id say realistic range 80 miles 129km
Thanks, and yeah I've heard that too. The SR/F apparently doesn't get the same range as older Zeros. Still a cool bike though :D
@@NewZeroland When you think about it its the same 14.3 kWh battery but bike is heavier and has fatter tyres so it all makes sense. Also the motor is much bigger on the SRF so twist that throttle to the max (with everything set 100%) and eat those electrons. However give me the performance and grip of the SRF anytime, with more delicate use of the throttle speeds would be down to the DSR and 100 miles possible.....Ive not got the self control so never managed to find out!
@@slartybartfarst9737 hahaha I guess the real determining factor with range is the rider XD It's so hard NOT to go fast on these.
@@NewZeroland I run GSXR 1000 K5, Cagiva Raptor 1000 and some classics like Honda CB750 K0. The SRF is same weight as the CB at 220Kg, more pulling power than the V twin Raptor and more rolling acceleration than the GSXR any speed between 40 to 85 mph (pretty much where you always end up) on the road, the SRF has the ideal performance envelope for me
@@slartybartfarst9737 The real game-changer is when the 2021 Zero bikes (SRF & SRS) come out with a >20kwh battery...charging will be an issue but range will be BIG BIG BIG compared to what we've all been used to. I'd have to guess that assuming their historical pattern, 2021 SRF/SRS will just be slight adjustments and other colours, and maybe 2022 might get DCFC? But a bigger battery in 2021 if they have it, would really make sense to release on the leading 'commuter' bike.
So is it just mine or does anyone else's zero drop 1KM of range every 10 seconds once you get past 20%? It's really frustrating that it seems like you should have about 140-160KM of range but once you get much past 120 it starts dropping really quick down to an effective 130KM range in my experience. Yes I'm in the USA so riding about 120KPH most of the time which I know kills the range but it's consistence until it isn't.
Took the RSV4 out the other day, it's a really different bike different from everything I've ever ridden and boy I did not miss the heat of an ICE bike in the summer here.
I've experienced that too.. the last 20% drops crazy fast! I'm not sure why. Then again, it also drops on my gas bike 😂 I feel like I have another 20 miles but the dash is freaking out saying the tank is empty. Mysteries of the universe, man.
Yes, in my experience you have to ride *really* gently to get more than 80 miles/130kms on a Zero (2018 DSR). 100miles/160kms is possible, but you have to pussy-foot a lot of the time to achieve it.
Ooooo... so envy of that charge rate :D
It's a game changer!
Damn after looking at the battery specs I see why there's a drastic difference in range. One is 300V and the other is 100v output lol that Energica has a massive output and larger motor. Big motors are better on high speed due to their size but suck on low speed dud to their size lol
Yeah it's mostly the weight difference. Energicas are 100kg (220lbs) heavier.
It is a pity you did not enter the average speed during the test. I assume it was about 50 km/h. A bit ridiculous for a motorcycle that looks like it could go 300.
The average probably was, yeah. The most I've done on this bike was 160km's, and the least was around 40km's (at the race track).
How many kWh did each bike use on the ride?
THAT is a good question. I don't know why I didn't check! I guess that would be the real test of which one was more efficient.
That is not so difficult if we consider the percentage scale being lineair. Zero 12.5 has net capacity of 11kWh. 74% used is 8.14 kWh on 110km is 74Wh per km. Energica has 11.7 kWh nominal capacity and 83% used is 9.7 kWh on 110km is 88Wh per km.
Is the zero lighter than the energico i mean it is smaller
Yep, like 200lbs lighter!
But doesn’t cold make thermal throttling a non issue? Coming from the computer world it seems to make sense.
Yeah for sure. The Zero motor won't overheat as easily in winter, but the battery will still have slightly less range.
Got a question.
Ever thought about adding insulation into the battery itself to reduce the cold..
Not sure what type would be ideal for your application, but this stuff is ideal for confined spaces and comes in varying thicknesses so you could encapsulate the cells and slide the case back onto the battery or line the case and slide the cells back into the case.
bellis.com.au/bellis-and-aspen-aerogel/
The insulation I think has also come down in price too.
@@garystinten9339 someone was experimenting with a neoprene cover to wrap the battery in, and it seemed to work really well. I guess the issue is when you need to charge fast, the battery heats up, so you wouldn't want the insulation then. Some kind of active cooling/heating to keep it the same temperature would be amazing, but that adds more weight, so it's always a trade-off.
I wish I could go places with that short of range 😥 80 miles is nothing in the flat sparse land of New Mexico and the Texas Panhandle
Sounds like the Energica+ models are a must out there.
damn your new zealand winter weather... 17c why dont u come to wisconsin and experience that good old -30c! =D
LOL it wasn't 17C.. I have no idea what was going on there. The Energica seems a bit off lol. But... no thanks on that -30C haha.
@@NewZeroland Wouldn't get far at -30C on a Zero, according to the owners manual power is cut off at -30C to prevent battery death. Not that it affects us here in NZ, lowest ever recorded temp -26C in 1903. How low can the Energica go? 🥶🧊
@@SimonMargrett good question! Probably the same lol. I think I would cut my own power before even getting on the bike at that temp 😂
ROUND FIRST! FIGHT!
Look at this Guile 😂
@@NewZeroland Almost expected myself to make a Cammy "Oh!" 😮
@@pinaero until you hit the gas and yell "Bison!"
@@NewZeroland Well, I'm so glad you review electrics. I can't wait for you to post a video of you riding an E Honda 🇯🇵
@@pinaero review a car?? Sir, you are mistaKen.
top speed??
240km/h 😁
🤣 this is priceless such a low range just to go the speed limit on the highway and then pay insane prices plus waiting so long for the full charge.
You know this is an old video about an old bike, right? It still fully charged in 30min and accelerated faster than any gas bike though 😂
@@NewZeroland 🤣 traveling that short of a distance for double the price for an insane recharge time? If I want to go on the highway I don't want to stop every 70 miles to recharge... also, do you hear yourself talking about a 30 minute charge? 30 minutes when you can refill and not have to stop nearly as often with a regular bike.
@@aronmiller7648 yeah it takes way longer than gas bikes. I think the appeal of electrics is that you can charge them at home, so most of the time you'd never wait for them to charge. Every morning they're 100% fueled up and ready to go. On road trips they're still limited, but the riding experience is better. No vibration, no shifting gears, no waiting for the power to kick in. I know it's convenient to fill up in 2 minutes but it's not worth compromising ride quality for me. I can't go back to a gas bike haha.
@@NewZeroland Nothing against it whatever makes you happy. But, the shifting gears part to me is part of the experience. I will saying riding around town would not be bad at all for an electric bike. Around town would be pretty fun for me at least.
@@aronmiller7648 yeah you're totally right. Range is up to 120-130 miles on the new bikes but charging is still too slow. It shouldn't take too long though. Electric motorcycles have only really existed for ~8 years and they're improving fast.
Charging Energica with Tesla plug.
Dreams come true...
It's the best!
I wonder if he’s from New Zealand. He sounds like he’s from Cali. Either way, I prefer the lighter bike 😆
Yep, from Cali :D
@@NewZeroland peace to you, brother. I have to check but you should do a video on comparing New Zealand to USA. more excuses to ride! hahah it’s a win win.
@@theethicalhacker7271 that's a great idea! I should totally do that haha. Thanks for watchin :)
OK so who is the cat?
Haha that cat shows up with the lights on my dash. It came with the bike :D
So 1h, 1h30 of riding for 30 minutes of charging, seems reasonable
Kiiiinda.. an hour of riding is usually only 70 or 80km, so my charging stop will be about 20min.
Ice flow, nowhere to go...
Look deep into the parka
Slug ya from the States...
Charging advantage & cooling is marginal. That was interesting.
The next test will be to see how far the Ego can go in a day, and the DC charging will make that a game changer.
@@NewZeroland really looking forward to this one !
Whoa whoa whoa, is that a diagram showing how the earth's tilt creates the seasons? Can you please stop putting SCIENCE and LEARNING into these videos
ROFLMAO yep, just in case people thought it was summer everywhere, wondering where my riding videos were :P
Man, i hate that hat so much.
It's called a beanie.