CHARGING // AC vs DC // How long does it take to charge the Energica?
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Just found your channel, and I have to say the content and production of the videos is excellent. Subscribed and rakeing through your past content with interest. 👍
Hey Jimmy, thanks so much! Glad ya like it 😁👍
Your troll faces are actually perfect.
Haha thanks :D
I'm so glad I subbed to your channel, I have to get my Energica going! Good stuff, keep it up!
Thanks man! I wish I had an Energica now 😂 Hopefully you can get your bike upgraded soon!
Great video (editing, content, sound), focused and informative as usual. I also didn't know about how widespread the DC charging infrastructure is in New Zealand and your Energica choice is making sense indeed.
Thanks! Yeah, to be honest it was less about the top speed and the power, and 90% about the charging ability.
Enjoyed the video and your enthusiasm. Looking forward to more.
Thanks Eric! Glad ya liked it.
Thanks for the clear explanation. Really helped my understanding.
No problem! Thanks for watching :D
Man your videos are still such a source of knowledge and point of reference for ev two wheel info that I’ve come back too multiple times. Not even because I have one. Just cause your content is just straight forward. Lite humor. Can’t beat itb
Thanks so much! That means a lot 😁 I'm glad you like my videos. Anything to help people see that electrics can be just as fun as gas bikes.
@@NewZeroland yea man no doubt much love. If your ever in the states. And near Rhode Island. Come down la creperie and I’ll hook you up
One of your best videos yet! So glad to see you made it over the charging obstacle to ride fast and free. I hope Zero will make DC charging possible on the DSR someday soon, once the DC network in the states will develop, to allow for a true adventure bike...
Thanks! Only a matter of time. Soon it won't be an issue and we'll have tons of electric options 😁
Getting excited about taking my loan zero sr/f out tomorrow but trying to get as much info as possible about the charging of it. Thanks for the upload. Subbed
Cheers man!! I'm excited to watch your vids on the SR/F!
Very nice explanation sir. Thank you for the lesson.
Thanks! Everybody's experience will be different depending on the bike and the country, but it's getting way easier to replace gas with electric.
So awesome! This is the best channel for Ebikes!!!
Aw thanks bro 😁 Glad ya liked this video! I can't wait for the weather to get better so I can shoot some actual riding videos.
Can’t wait!!! Take care and brrraap! I mean ziiinnngg!!!
Love the way you explain 🎉🎉🎉
Thanks man!
Okay, that timing did in fact blow my mind. That's incredibly fast. Thanks for another super solid video. It will be interesting to see how charging fees evolve over time. Right now they seem somewhat expensive. I'm hoping with infrastructure build out they drop dramatically and maybe you only get charged a lot if you hog it after your vehicle is done charging.
Did you get a new mic? The quality in this video seemed better.
Thanks! I really wanted to use that gag at the end so I had to fill that 12 minutes as best I could. Actually I just used my phone to record the audio, but caught a cold half way through so some of the narration sounds different than other parts. Random behind the scenes info there haha. You're right that charging is expensive. The majority of AC charging is free, but I'm willing to pay any amount of money to charge this fast. I'm planning to make a video comparing the price to gas soon, to see how surprising that is.
Great video! I definitely appreciated your take on DC charging stations in New Zealand vs the USA because that really is the core issue. The thing I really dig about the Zero SR/F and SR/S is that you can achieve 12kW charging with widely available AC chargers. That's not quite as nice as the 20kW DC charge rate of the Energica, but it's really not that far off in the grand scheme of things. It boils down to about 30 minutes of charge time using your 20%-80% charging strategy. Just enough time to stretch my legs and grab a drink. If DC fast chargers were common in the USA (especially in rural areas where it's more fun to ride), the Energica would be a no-brainer. Until we grow that network though, it really is a tough decision... 12kW of charging everywhere? or 20kW of charging in some metro areas. If Energica had an option to achieve 12kW (or even 7kW to get the most out of typical J1772 stations) of AC charging in addition to DC charging, that would be a game changer for sure. Anyway, thanks for another great video! I hope someday you get to ride that beautiful bike without rain!!! :-)
Thanks man! Yeah I totally agree. My Zero could charge in an hour like the SR/F when it had all it's chargers installed, but I didn't have the infrastructure. We have the totally opposite problem haha. It would be sweet if Energicas had 6kW chargers though, just to slow-charge for free on an AC station while doing some shopping. The 3kW charger is perfect for campsites here, but not for campsites in the US. We really need to get some global standard so all these bikes work for all countries!
Zero seem to very firmly prioritising the US market over becoming a leading player on the world stage. Unless they act quickly, they run the risk of becoming the next Harley (failing motorcycle company) or even worse the next Nokia. It would be a real shame if that happened considering their pioneering roots. They should be the Tesla of the motorcycle world with everyone playing catch up.
In Europe it is not a issue to charge with 12kW. During the last 9.000km I have to wait less then 30 Minutes at a Typ2 charging-station. This are very common here. A dc charger is more problematic to find in a remote area.
Wow! That is so much faster. I’m happy for you.
Thanks bro!! It really is a game changer. I included Jez's reaction because it was hilarious, but also because his Zero has a charge tank on it. So he's used to charging quickly and was STILL blown away :D
I am so, SO terribly jealous of all the CCS fast charging in NZ. If we had that here in Colorado, USA, I too would have bought an Energica. :-) Thanks for the great video -- enjoy the ride!
Thanks man! I feel ya. I wish it was like this everywhere. Then we could ride around the world, fast charging the whole way!
That was fast! ⚡️💨
Another great video with quality content. Test riding the Energica Eva Ribelle this Saturday. Have it narrowed down between that bike and the Zero SR/F. Will be pulling trigger on one or the other within a week. (I know, I know, get both you’re saying, but I’ve already got a Yamaha in the garage and I really only have room for one more bike, so.. ) 🤔 Decisions decisions.
Hahaha it really depends on what your needs are. If you have lots of DC charging stations around your area, go for the Eva. If it's all AC and you like the idea of a quieter bike, Zero is the way to go. Good luck and have fun!
Your enthusiasm for electric bikes, and the Energica in particular, is pretty contagious.
I definitely haven't just checked what changing stations there are around here...
Thanks! I appreciate it :D I really love these things. It's the year 2020 and we should have sci-fi futuristic bikes. Look around plugshare and see what's around. If there are enough DC stations, an Energica might work for ya ;)
Much of the UK seems pretty well supplied with CCS DC.
I've been considering a Zero for commuting while keeping my 600rr for other stuff, but this is food for thought. :)
@@jrevillug haha I feel ya.. Zeros are perfect commuters, and it'd be hard to give up a sweet CBR.
thanks! nicely done informative videos 🙂
Cheers man!
Your DC charging network in NZ is so far ahead of Oz. Thanks for this informative video. Also thank you for connecting me with Australian Electric Motor co. Happily their HQ is just down the road in Burleigh Heads and I am now in touch with Tobin.
Nice!! I'm hoping to make a whole video about them soon. The more electric motocycles we get down here, the better!
I love L3 fast charging for motorcycles. Great videos!
i saw the energica motorcycle recently at a local motorcycle dealership. that is a beautiful and amazing motorcycle in every way.
i love how energica is leading the way with their future proof technologies. which means that energica is a great investment.
Thanks! I agree. These motorcycles are amazing 😁
His reaction... just GOLD 👌🏼🤣 ILMAO haha such a good video 👍🏼 could not explain it better.
Haha thanks bro! And that guy has a charge tank on his Zero, so he's used to fast charging!
@@NewZeroland i think Jez should be a regular feature of your vids (of course he will as an electric riding buddy) so we can relive those reactions we once had through his...but also, he will probably curse you and begin planning his own ascent to our lofty heights of emoto DC fast-charging! Let me know when he's ready lol
@@octopusenvy HAHA, great idea. I definitely plan on having him and the DSR in a video in the near future to talk about his charging setup. We made some new cables so I wanna see if they work.
@@octopusenvy I am a very slow eater, and it also takes me a long time to go to the toilet. This is why an Energica will never suit my lifestyle needs and I'm much better off with my DSR. And I'm not at all jealous of the Energica's DC fast-charging ;-p
All these say Energica and I was only worried about how to find a better charger for my zero. I don't know how I miss these though. It's a cold and rainy day here today so it's perfect to sit around and watch all the videos of yours I didn't see yet.
Whoa awesome! Hey that means a lot 😁 Enjoy!
WOW! I figured the charge was fast, but damn! I would've guessed 20min +
How long did you drive for on 80%? Time and distance?
Totally! For 20-80% it's usually 15 minutes.. most of the time I stop for about 20 minutes to get a bit more range, but it's possible to just top up for 12 min :D I get around 120km on a full charge (highway speed) and stop to charge every ~70km. It works out to about 1hr of riding and 15-20min of charging.
@@NewZeroland still needs way too long for a charge (should be 10 minutes or close to 5) and the range on a 80% is almost ridiculously low.
Honda Africa Twin Sports Adventure DCT ES : 500km on a fill (2 minute to refill) and 3.5 liters for 100km, being also more reliable and durable.
For naked bikes the Eva has to compete with KTM Super Duke R, Ducati Streetfighter V4S, Aprilia Tuono V1100, Yamaha MT-10 and MT-10SP, BMW S1000R, Kawasaki Z H2, Kawasaki Z1000, Ducati monster 1200S, etc
The Ego plus has to compete with Aprilia RSV4, BMW S1000RR, Honda Fireblade, Ducati Panigale V5S, Yamaha R1, Kawasaki Ninja H2, Kawasaki ZX-10RR, aka real tough competition that is often better and way cheaper
@@THEREALZENFORCE I'd still put the Ego and Eva into mid-range sportbike status. They have crazy power but way more weight, so on the track they're more comparable to 600's. The Ego's top speed is limited to 150mph so it is't a liter bike killer yet. You're right about the charging times though. They're getting better but still have to come down, same as the price. I don't see it taking very long though. Gas bikes are making insane power these days but struggling to meet emissions standards, so I either the big companies like Honda/Yamaha/Ducati need to make the shift to electric or they'll won't be allowed on the roads. That's the moment when battery tech will speed up.
@@NewZeroland Yes other main companies have to make EV bikes too.
In the meantime they will probably bring turbos and superchargers into 400 and 650cc bikes to still have power and keep emissions low like they did with small displacement cars in the last years.
You also have Kymco who makes EV scooters since some time and will soon bring the Revonex to the market.
To be fair, for emissions EV bikes should be rated on the emissions made to create the batteries and also to recycle the batteries.
And as long as electricity creation is not near 100% green you still have an environmental problem.
@@THEREALZENFORCE
Only turbochargers (turbine like energy harvesting systems, like on old napier fighter aircraft engines) increase fuel efficiency, superchargers increase power at the price of efficiency.
Absolutely 👏 amazing, super indepth content 👌
Thanks man!! Had to fill that 12 minutes with as much info as I could :P
Perfection! Great video, Sam! I want to rub this in the faces of all bike manufacturers. Energica have this just right.
I agree that Zero have been understandably U.S.-centric, but from what I understand, they've sold more bikes in Europe in any case. Perhaps they also look at the majority of journeys people make and decided that AC rather than DC rapid charging fits most cases.
For those of us with the need to travel further afield though, this isn't an option, and as much as I loved all the effort you put into making the fastest possible charging set-up for the Zero, that's an option very few people can consider.
The Charge Tank was the best fit for me, once able to retrofit the 6kW one last year, but the Energica approach is just perfect.
Your queuing experience at DC chargers is familiar to me from my LEAF and more recent MG ZS EV experience, but rollout of DC chargers has ramped up here in the UK quite heavily. It was reasonably static for a few years.
The U.S. will certainly have to catch up on that count and it certainly will, no doubt. Zero have to consider this.
Just a thought… Do you have the option to unplug at 80% and plug into an AC charge point at some locations? We have locations in the UK where both are installed - a DC rapid unit and then a 6kW AC unit nearby. These aren't super common, but are helpful if stopping for a longer period, and of course free up the DC for other users.
"Are you aware of the environmental impact of lithium ironing?" made me properly LOL.. 😂
Great work! 👍
Thanks again! Yeah I think you're right about Zero selling more in Europe. Definitely a good amount. From what I've heard, AC charging in a lot of places in Europe is free (same as NZ), so that could be a huge incentive to go with Zero. And yep, there are some stations here that have AC and DC together, but they're rare. That's a great idea though. Nice trick to save money! I'm still excited about the AC stations set up at the big shopping centers, but campsites are too far in the middle of no where. If that's where you're staying, they're perfect, but I'd pay any amount of money to charge fast and not ASK if I can plug in 😂
@@NewZeroland Zero is perfect for Europe, not because AC is free, but AC chargers are at places where you ride and stop with a motorbike (secondary roads, towns), even on a tour. DC chargers are mainly placed along the highway. Which most riders avoid because it is boring. Many quickcharge locations along the highway also have AC (at least here in the Netherlands). I just bought a Zero SR/S premium (6 kW internal charger). That's slow for quickcharging, but fast enough for a coffee or lunchbreak.
Been watching your videos lately and they are so well made and edited! So informative and fun to watch :D
I want to buy the Zero FXS and i am therefor eager to learn more about the electric motorcycle world, and this is where your channel is perfect! :D
Keep up the good work, it is appreciated! Greeting from Norway.
Wow, thanks so much!! I really appreciate it. A Zero FXS sounds like a blast. If you have a short commute or just want it for the electric wheelies, that's a perfect choice 😎
@@NewZeroland It would be cool if you got to test the FX/FXS in the future and make a video about it :D
I think for my use, the FX/FXS will be perfect for at least 80% of my rides, which I not bad. Although rides in the epic Norwegian fjords will be a challenge considering the range.
@@Ayzill Yeah!! I think there are only 2 of them in NZ but I'd love to find one and shoot a video on it. The DSR might be a better solution for longer range, but it's a lot heavier.
@@NewZeroland Do you know any other YT channels doing kinda the same think as you? "representing" the electric motorcycle world?
@@Ayzill yeah for sure.. Lex Summer, Brandon Nozaki Miller, and pinaero have lots of electric motorcycle videos. Or Electrek for overall EV news.
5:24 Hahaha, exactly, brilliantly said! The same questions over and over :D I still enjoy meeting people and seeing their reaction, but am also looking forward to be just another motorcyclist one day. Upside on AC charging: I visit a lot more towns these days, especially on longer tours. Type 2 takes me three quarter of an hour to charge fully (20-100%) - 14.6 kWh SRF and after two hours on the bike that's exactly what I need ;)
10:45 Not really the same, since you can go get a jerry can of fuel but doing that with electricity is a bit different.. Plus, often I have to rely on a mobile app to get the charging started instead of a RFID chip, so I have to keep the mobile phone charged, which seconds as my navigation - even more difficult if I have to keep the brightness up to max to see something in sunshine weather...
Still, wouldn't want to miss the experience!
Great points! I remember Elektrogirl's trip on an old Zero with 100km's of range and ONLY slow charging, and how it changed the way she did road trips. You're able to spend more time in the place you're charging at, to find out more about the town and the people. Maybe I need to slow down lol.
12 minutes from 30 to 80%? This is where Energy just owns it. Great video once again!
YEP! And actually, the bikes are capable of charging at 23kW so it should be faster. The stations here aren't giving me the full 75A for some reason.
Mind blown! 🤯
Bwahaha NICE! Yeah man, it seriously took 12 minutes. It was more of a struggle to fill 12 minutes worth of video to make the gag work!
nice video bro!
Thanks! Glad ya liked it.
Just took my Zero SR for a 300 mile trip last week. Level 1 charging ... felt like I was traveling from NY to LA. Unfortunately, DC fast charging wouldn't have helped. Most of the trip was through Amish country. The Amish are way behind on their charging infrastructure.
Whoaaa! Hey I know how hard 300 miles is. Do you have a charge tank? Or is that Level 2 charging? How long did it take you to cover that distance? I managed to do 326 miles in a day once but it took me 13 hours haha. That's a serious journey on an electric motorcycle. Well done :D
@@NewZeroland It was definitely more of an event than a ride. No charge tank. I stopped at campgrounds to charge. Either taking nature hikes or staying overnight in a tent I was carrying. I think I spent more time planning the trip than I did riding.
Wow! Dude that is hardcore. It reminds me of Elektrogirl's big road trip around Europe. Slow-charging allowed her to see more of the places she was riding through. I like that. Maybe I need to slow down lol.
The furthest I've ridden my DSR in one day was about 180 miles, call it 290 km. I have a two-module SC2.5 on mine. I spent a total of about two hours charging. Departure was at 100% from home, I made a "safety stop" on the way out and charged from about 40% to 90% before I hit the mountains, then when I got to my destination (with about 50% charge remaining) I put it on charge while I got lunch. Did some noodling round town, and then headed home; safety stop on the way home (with about 55% remaining) for another half hour, then arrived at home with something like 40% charge.
If I'd been willing to ride more conservatively I could have done it easily with a single charging stop, but where's the fun in that? In total I put about one and three quarters of a charge into the bike from ChargePoint stations on that trip. It cost me about three bucks.
I'm not saying I don't want the option of DC fast charging- obviously I do- but the energica's slow 3 kW on board charger is really not great for those of us who like to charge on the cheap.
I feel ya. DC charging costs definitely add up. It woulda been nice if the AC charger was 6kW, but I think even then I wouldn't use it out on the road. The only places that are missing DC stations here have campsites, and without custom wiring to use 2 diginows individually, I'd still be limited to 3kW. At the end of the day, different bikes suit different needs. Zeros are still amazing where there's no DC infrastructure.
Great videos Sam as always. What is stopping Zero from putting dc charge in?
Thanks man! The voltage is too low on Zeros. I think that's the main thing holding them back, but the batteries would also overheat.
@@NewZeroland It definitely would need a cooling system.
"My own personal firsty!" -Olaf, lover of warm hugs, and NewZeroland videos
Let it charge, let it charge!
@@NewZeroland the cord never bothered my anywaaaaaay
Great Info. In Germany we have IONITY they have in minimum 4 Stationen at location but you pay around 70 to 80 cent they are super but very comfortable. I drive a Tesla and now I would like to buy my first bike, I plan to start with Zero ( S or DS , beginner 😊) and when I like it Properly I will look for something with Fastcharging. Greetings Hartmuth
Awesome! Zeros are great beginner bikes. Really easy to ride 😁👍
Great explanations! I'd be ruined by DCFC too. Ride on!
Thanks, Karl! I'm so excited :D
That is amazingly fast. Energica should start paying you big bucks. You have me all charged up for the Ego!
Haha thanks! They've already been hugely helpful. I'm really loving the bike and the company so far :D
Hi Sam
Those cables you made up,is it easy to put a three pin plug socket(UK domestic plug socket) on a type 2 cable( so I can charge my FXS on type 2,for free)??
Ahh I didn't make the type 2 cable but in general it's pretty straight forward. I've put together a few caravan cables. That's a good idea 😁
@@NewZeroland I hav never cut open a type 2 cable,how many wired are in there? I would need to connect three,live, neutral and earth only?
@@alanrobinson2229 not sure 😂 You'd just need a single phase cable, so yeah probably 3 wires.
Most of the DC chargers in Auckland (Vector) have two chargers at every location.
Nice!! Time for a trip to Auckland.
I still think the solution lies in a program similar to the one they use for propane tanks: You remove your battery and give it to the attendant who then gives you back a fully charged battery for a small fee. Not only would you have a full charge every time, but the whole process would take less than 5 minutes, and you could apply that to everything that takes rechargeable batteries: Phones, tools, cars, etc. No waiting times or fear that someone else is using the charger.
That's the easy part (though expensive to start up), where it gets hard is convincing manufacturers to standardize the batteries and make them hot-swappable.
Great video.
I agree! That's a future I'd love to see. Modular, too.. so you can use a small part of your big car battery in your bike (when not driving the car, or when you don't need much range). They just need to get to a point where battery tech is at it's peak and no technological advancements are coming. And then yeah, everybody would have to agree to use the same ones. Whoever develops that battery will rule the entire industry.
@@NewZeroland Exactly! And BTW, excellent video. Can't imagine a better ad for electric bikes in NZ. Hell, I can't wait to get one of my own. Only thing that frustrates me is the fact that electric vehicles actually get worse mileage on the highway than in the city.
@@DuncanJimmy Thanks man! Yeah, the faster you go, the more energy it takes. I guess that's where a gearbox comes in to help the efficiency, but I really don't want to shift anymore :P
I know it was for the video, but that bit where you're finished...
When it's getting to the end of the charge, boots on, helmet on, gloves on, ready to go. Unplug and then go! Keep the mucking about with stuff to the charging time. It might only be 5 minutes wasted at the beginning and end of the charge, but over 6 or 8 charges on a day, you're wasting hours.
Soooo true! You're totally right. That adds up. On a serious road trip, I don't even take my helmet off until the charging has started. I'll mention that in a future video. Thanks!
That fast charging is awesome. And I like that it does not allow it to get hot
Dude I love it. It's soooo much easier :D
It's awesome that you said something about the charging and that is super correct.
The issue with the Zero bikes is their battery voltage. They did develop DC fast charging, but it didn't work in the real world because of non compliant chargers.
Although the Chademo standard was meant to work down to 50v, in reality very few EVs that could actually benefit from fast charging have battery packs that low. Chademo is limited to 125 amps and at 50 volts, that's only around 6Kw anyway! Most of the installed chargers only work down to 200-250v and the Zero is well below that. The CCS standard is meant to work down to 200v, but often doesn't. Accommodating a very wide voltage range makes the power electronics design much harder and there really aren't any cars being built that need it. Most EV's have battery packs around 300-400v, with CCS able to serve the new higher voltage systems up to 800v.
Zero bought charger for development that was fully compliant with the standard, but customers then found most of the public chargers wouldn't work. Their only solution would be to re-engineer the whole bike around a higher system voltage.
Yeah true. I was really hoping they'd take the opportunity to raise the voltage when building a completely new bike (the SR/F) but it seems to be the same 14.4 battery, just repackaged. We'll have to see what they do eith their future bikes.
Is the DCFC standard on all Energica?
I'm sick of my DSR 1.3 kW charger. :( Love the ride, no more slow charging!🤦♂️
Yep! All of them 😁👍 It's a total game changer.
I have a 2018 energica ego that was not charge for like 2 years and now it does not want to charge
Anything I can do?
Oh maaan! Take it to an Energica dealer.. you'll probably need a new battery. If it was in Long Period Rest mode the whole time it would have been fine, but it sounds like it might be dead.
I’m from downtown Toronto in Canada. My custom electric motorcycle runs on a 20kw motor hub and 120ah battery giving me about 300km city range. Takes about 6 to charge with 1 charger or 3hrs with my 2 charger setup. Regen is also awesome too, but for me and my friends we just charge up an hour here and there as we go about our day. We never really ran into situations of being stranded except for times where we forget to charge it the day before or something. However DC fast charging would change the way I travel for sure. I would consider venturing further if I had something like that.
Holy cow, a 300km range is insane! That sounds like the perfect city bike.
NewZeroland how much range do you get with your bike? I was going to buy a 200ah battery and get 500-600km range.
@@TheFlatEarthChannelcom Man in the city I only get like 200km. What size is your battery in kWh?
NewZeroland I have a 72v 120ah battery system. Gives me 300km city range. It turns in to 8.64 kWh. If I had a 200ah battery setup it will be 14.4 kWh setup. 500km range if I do city
NewZeroland what size is your battery? On what bike is the city?
Tirau has a double as well and the Bombay service are a is getting a quad 350kw. Agree we need more double or triple DC units Taupo for instance. I do wish a non Tesla could use the Tesla units. I understand why not but I'd pay.
Ohhh nice!! Thanks for letting me know. I need to get out there and explore all these stations :D
Bombay service will be good, as it's often been a detour on my Energica or the leaf to reroute to Pokeno. Bring on more DC stations!
How much does a battery pack weigh? (carry a fully charged one in a backpack... as a "reserve cannister")
It depends on the bike.. Energica batteries are something like 180kg. Zero batteries are about 100kg. Definitely not small enough to fit in your backpack. The battery % gauge is so accurate though that if you run out, you know you're running out for about 50 miles.
I went to the Zero dealer and was kinda surprised by how high the FX was but the deal killer was the hight of the receiver mounted rack I wanted to use to carry it. I’m going to go to a larger dealer who is more interested in working with me on lowering the bike a couple of inches and find a welder who can build or modify a rack so it’s low enough that I feel confident loading the bike by myself. The FX has almost 900 mm of travel in the rear, I only weigh 59 kilos and I am thinking I could lose some travel to lower the bike. I have a rack I carry my SurRon on and am comfortable with it. It’s been dropped about 200 mm, it’s probably not strong enough but I haven’t any problem with it scraping on drive ways. My truck is a4X4 so it’s pretty high already. So until I work out a couple little problems I’m going to be riding my SurRon. I put a basket on it so I can take the dog to wherever we’re going to walk her. Anyway, I just thought I’d bring you up to date on my quest to follow in your footsteps and join the electric motorcycle community. Thanks for the videos.
Hey nice! I've heard the same thing about the FX vs. the Sur-ron. I really want to ride a Sur-ron now. There's also a huge weight difference. Price difference, too. Have you thought about upgrading the battery or modifying the controller to get more power?
Do you usually keep your bike battery percentage cycling from 80% to 20% ? So every day that you leave your house, it's at 80%? I am just wondering because I just bought an ego 2020 & I am super excited, but I want to respect the battery.
Btw thank you for your videos. They are the reason why I bought this bike. I sold my Zero DS and bought an Ego!
Wow, congrats on the new bike! Yeah unplugging at 80% will make your battery last longer. In the end it will do more charging cycles than the manufacturer predicts. If you need a full charge though, it's totally fine to go all the way to 100% if you ride it everyday. If it sits on 100% for a long time, it's not terrible, but not the best way :) Enjoy your Ego!!
NewZeroland thank you very much!!!
The map of ac to dc is like, the inverse in California.
Something I'm worrying about is there has been a big drop in destination chargers being installed. If there isn't a charger at that far beach, I just can't hang out there. Every ev can use a destination j-plug with the right adapter, so...
Oh no! Are they focusing more on superchargers? I guess that makes sense, and destination chargers are more popular at flashy hotels where you have to stay there to use them. Hopefully we get some kind of standard in the future that everyone uses and puts on every street corner :P Or inductive charging parking spots! That's a future I wanna live in.
can someone turnup ( in a car or bike ) and just unplug your bike if your not there ? or does it lock in when charging ? sorry if this is a noob question
It locks until it's finished charging, and then they can unplug you.
@@NewZeroland thanks for the info that takes 1 more step forward
I rode someone else's energica, and went to go charge it up for him. I didn't even have time to run in the store for a drink and snack before it was done charging. 55%-95% in 8 minutes 20 seconds at 23kW IIRC. I timed it. Absolutely mind blowing. I will own an energica one day
Bwahaha that's quick. For some reason I can't get the stations here to give me 23kW. They're limited to 67A and it kinda bugs me haha.. but it's still way faster than what I'm used to :D
You've sold me on the Energica. Seeing Zero's lineup for 2021 without any DC charging is embarrassing. I don't want them to become another Nokia.
Nice! I know Zero will eventually have DC charging.. it's the way everything is going.. but Energica is leaps and bounds ahead of them now.
I am so tempted by the Energica to complement the Leaf I own.
You won't be let down. These things are amazing!
Do you have to setup the DC charging station to match your battery voltage or is it automatically compatible?
It's automatic. The bike is limited to 75A no matter what, but the station communicates with it first.
Thanks, keep it up with the videos!!
Great content. Greetings from Paraguay.
@@Sreckziegel500 thanks man! Glad you liked it :D
Nice...
I see an Energica in my future...once I move to europe in a few years. Elon has said that he doesn't want anything to do with electric motorcycles because of how dangerous they are, but that is true for any motorcycle compared to a car. We just need to keep using the various DC fast charging companies to up the need for more stations. Thanks for the video.
Hey thanks for the comment! I agree 100%. The charging infrastructure is so important for road tripping. Still 90% of charging will happen at home overnight though, so it's still wayyy more convenient than gas 😁
DC charing is awesome and Zero should get on board, but be sure to compare apples to apples: SR/F or SR/S with 12kw charging at Tesla Destination Chargers vs DC charging on Energicas. Thanks!
Oh totally. Well my old Zero could charge in 1 hour, same as the SR/F. The Energica charges in half the time.
@@NewZeroland Also, the 12kw charger doesn't require a bunch of aftermarket chargers obviously like on your old Zero. Just comes installed from the dealer.
so energica can charge at any ccs/sae plug correct? is it possible to use other types with adapter?
Yep, CCS for high speed DC charging, and whatever AC is in your country (J1772 or Type 2), which you can combine with tons of adapters to charge up anywhere.
@@NewZeroland oh it can use type 2? plugshare tells me that incompatible. but type 2 would open up quite a few charge points for me. (im in australia)
@@miniscribbler7638 oh yeah for us down on this side of the world the bikes have CCS2 and Mennekes Type 2 for AC charging. Dunno about Australia, but a lot of AC charging in NZ is free! It's just slow.. 3kW charging takes hours 😂
@@NewZeroland yeah seems to be plenty of ac charge points. mostly at hotels and camp sites. could be good for emergency. or to fill up overnight if i book a room. cheers man thanks for info. im new to the e-moto scene.
@@miniscribbler7638 no prob! You can't find a better bike than Energica 😁 The new ones are insane. Australian Electric Motor Co on the Gold Coast has a bunch of them.
Where can you buy one in New Zealand
Sadly the only option is importing one yourself, but it isn't that hard 😁 I've imported 3 electric motorcycles so far.
Some Comments: The charge rate does impact on the degredation (= loss of capacity) a lot. On Teslas you can read out how much AC and DC (=fast) charging was done and you can read out the remaining usable capacity. An ok ratio of AC/DC is 3/1 but if it is the other way round or worse you double the degredation. On Teslas rule of thumb is: You loose 5% after the first 50000km and then 1% for every other 50000km. Only charge your battery to 100% if you intend to use it straight away. Do not leave the discharged battery, charge it to 20% quickly. Next comment is those Tesla Destination charger used to be able to switch from Tesla (CAN based protocol) only to Tesla and other EV (Type 2 protocol). Thats done with moving DIP switch 2 from up to down to Legacy mode in Tesla speak. Unfortunately for some if not all markets Tesla removed that option. Next comment: Those Tritium fast chargers are actually designed and made in Australia (yes i know you are NZ but we are brothers). Isn't that amazing? We can actually make HiTech things?? Not just growing cotton, coal and fat sheep??? Final comment: Great video, top editing, not too short, not too long, entertaining, funny.....just make sure you actually move your mouth when talking for some you might be hard to understand otherwise. BTW: Was that beanie no 1 or no 2 ?
There is an app www.plugshare.com and if people use it and check-in when charging you would be able to see if a station is available. I have my mobile no displayed when charging so other people can contact me about using/sharing a station.
HAHA that was beanie #1. About my voice, half of the narration was done when I had a sore throat, so sorry about that! I've been sick for about a week but didn't want to wait to upload another video. Cool about the Tritium stations! I didn't know those were from Australia. I would LOVE to ship my bike over and do a road trip around Aus and Tasmania.. just need to look into how possible that would be with the infrastructure. I'm so spoiled over here. About DC charging, your 3 to 1 ratio is a good idea. Energica suggests plugging in to 100% to balance cells at least every 2 weeks. I haven't heard anything about fast charging degrading batteries though. There seem to be so many factors involved... temperature, cycles, age. I figure the charging algorithm keeps it safe enough not to worry about it, and unplugging at 80% should extend it's life. Anyway, a guy could get used to these 12 minute top ups :D
@@NewZeroland I would take it seriously. When it comes healthy charge /discharge rates you need to know the system voltage (in V) and rated capacity (in kWh) of your battery to calculate the discharge Amperage (Amp hours in Ah) . For example my E-Ninja has a 6.5kWh battery and a system voltage of 72V which gives 6500Wh/72V = 90Ah. Then you can apply the recommended charge/discharge rate which is 0.5C for my battery: 90Ah * 0.5/h=45A max. recommended charge rate.1C is typically the maximum and may require thermal management which would be 90A charge current or 6.5kW charge power.
A Tesla with a 85kWh battery and a system voltage of 400V has 212Ah cells (or 74 cells of 2.9Ah in parallel to be precise). Supercharging at 120kW gives 300A which gives a rate of 1.5C which is high and only possible due to the very good thermal management and Cobalt in the cells.
The Hyundai IONIC classic even did 1.7C but had batteries with a very high Cobalt content. Interestingly the IONIC Facelift with a much bigger battery has a greatly reduced charge rate (Hmmmmmmmm........).
Anyhow I do not know the system voltage of your Energica and the thermal management but do your maths and then make your informed decision of how to treat your battery.
With cars there is a strong correlation between Amps in/out and the lifetime of the battery and I cannot see how that should be different with bikes.
For sure, and thanks for breaking that down. Energicas are 300V, so at one of these 125A DC stations they COULD potentially charge at 30kW+, but the're limited to 75A, or 23kW. I haven't been able to get over 21kW for some reason, but it's fast enough for now. I'm not sure what the battery amp hours are though, so it's hard to calculate what the C-rating is. Definitely over 1C, but it seems to be safe. I'm just gonna go with the maximum of what Energica engineered the bike for and see what happens :P
@@NewZeroland To get the Ah for your Energetica is easy: The nominal capacity is 18.9kWh and you say the system voltage is 300V. 18900Wh / 300V = 63Ah. Charging with 21kW gives a ratio of 21 / 18.9 = 1.1C for DC fast charging which is the border for a battery without thermal management. Interestingly the warranty is for 1200 cycles which is the low end of cycle life for a Li battery. Treated well you get >5000 cycles.....so it is worth it!. BTW the battery needs to have a certain temperature to receive the fastest charge rate, around 35°C. Teslas actually pre-heat the battery when you navigate to a Supercharger for that reason. Will be interesting to see what happens in Summer. Your Energetica will have an OBD2 type of service port. Try to get the required cables (or Blutooth?) and scanning software to get a real inside view of what is happening with battery and drive.
thats pretty cool but like you said.. lol whats a dc charger..... heck in my area its like whats an EV lol I have noticed with the installation of Tesla's supercharger right down the road I have seen an increase of Teslas in the area.. its cool that you have time to do big road trips. I used to but now i work 10+ hours a day 6 days a week so when I have off I have to do things around the house or run to a stor so that really limits the riding time I get plus I have to make a video of off roading on the GS and then a dirt bike video posting 2 times a week... My plan is to get an Ev MC and post 3 videos a week haha
Haha, I feel ya on the struggle for free time. You'd think this whole pandemic + working from home would help, but I'm busier than ever. It's hard to even upload a video every 2 weeks lol.. but I'll try harder. That's really cool to hear that more EVs are popping up in your area. It'll only get easier I think :D Which electric motorcycle do you wanna get??
@@NewZeroland still leaning to the Zero sr/s it sounds like it would suit my needs and the cost to own is cheaper to insure.. I could see needing better chargers if I had the time to go places but even the last few years on the gs a 100+ mile ride is pretty rare.. perhaps a few years later down the road get something "faster" when I have more time and could do some track days
Here in Spain we have from 0.35€ to 0.55€ prices per 1 kWh (50 kW DC Chargers)
If you use an Ionity UltraFastCharger (up to 250 kW), the price is 0.79€ per 1 kWh.
WOW that's a lot!!
@@NewZeroland Of course there are tricks to have a lower price.
If anyone is interested I can provide more information in private.
Ah yes... fond memories of throwing away my Sony Betamax collection... transition from 8-track to cassette was less painful (good luck finding a new CD boombox at the store)
FWIW, how much does a backpack "reserve cannister" battery weigh?
I think that's the big change that DC charging brings to the table. When you can charge so quickly, and there are stations all over the place, the chances of "running out" or needing a rescue are gone.
come on Japan, get in the game. I want my Yamaha MT-e
RIGHT??
I'm trapped with slow charging until my warranty runs out. My slow charger has started cutting out with only 89% charging completed. I dont know if the problem is the charger or the battery, but it might soon be time to upgrade and maybe the speed controller as well.
Oh nooo! Definitely the charger. The same thing happened to me and just about every other Zero owner. Eventually the charger will just stop working. Hopefully your warranty can replace it! Getting a charge tank installed would be a sweet upgrade though 😎
Wow..that's fast..
Actually zero wanted to add chademo for their bikes but chademo has 200v low cutout point in most places. Sometime I want to build electric motorcycle with 43 kw charging with lithium titanate cells. First I build smaller 576 wh battery and test if I can charge it 0-80% in 4-5 minutes.
Sounds possible. A full charge on this 11.7kWh pack takes 30 min, so a 576Wh battery would be super quick!
Craziest thing for me is the fuel prices on the display board in the back. Ahh those were the good ol days :(
Right?? How is it $3 now? 😵
@@NewZeroland I really gotta change the game plan or I'm gonna keep getting the same results. Lots of solutions out there are just bandaids that don't really solve the problem. A fully electric car is my ultimate solution but they're out of my price range. I might be able to find a second-hand plug-in hybrid. On the other hand, there are some really capable dual-motor e scooters and e-bikes (eg 60kph - 85km range) out there as personal commuters that really perk my interest due to the much smaller upfront cost, not having to license or register it for the road, no wof or road user charges or ACC levies every year.
Could you give me any advice on what or where to start when researching what's out there in terms of EV motorbikes?
Nice snap fact at the end!
I did hear that Tesla has plans for a bike.
Thanks! A Tesla dirt bike would be sweet. If it can use supercharging stations, hoooo boy!
@@NewZeroland I'm hoping for a street bike. That actually would make better sense for Tesla.
@@michaelvadney5803 That'd be amazing, but Elon said he had an accident on a bike when he was a teenager so he doesn't want to build one. I guess it makes sense why Teslas are so safe.
"..at the warehouse" and my thoughts "which warehouse wtf?" haha
😂 some shady building down at the docks
Our Energica are certainly leading the way, but there's a long way further to go! I absolutely can't wait for 10-15min charging for hundreds of kms of range at speed! The 2021 MY are halfway there, and our 2020 MY are halfway there. Combine the two advantages (longer range and 15min charging respectively) and that is like breaking the charge barrier again, just like how DC destroyed AC. That said, a very [Sam]wise friend once told me to enjoy the benefits of electric riding now, rather than miss out and just wait on the sidelines for the ideal combo. So glad we get to ride these future machines today!! P.S. thank you chargenet.co.nz!!
Well said, bro! This is a huge step forward but we need to keep walking. All new bikes should have DC charging as the base, and we should crank it up as far as possible. Teslas are charging at 350kW so we should too! And when 350kW isn't enough, the next battery design will take over. I just hope we can swap those into our bikes :D
@@NewZeroland meh, by then we will be sponsored by the newest million-mile hypercharging, 1000mile range, 180kg, 300hp, 0-100kph in 1.5sec, TRON-BIKES ;)
When I get an electric motorcycle I plan to avoid all that charging shenanigans by riding until 1/2 range is used up then go home to charge, and use gas for anything else. I love motorcycles but on a long trip you can't deny the utility and comfort factor of a car is exponentially greater.
Oh totally.. especially in winter, I'd love the comfort of a car haha. I actually kept my gas bike for about 2 years after I bought the Zero, but eventually stopped riding it. The Zero was way more fun, so I bought some chargers and took it on trips. Now with DC the whole charging thing is a million times easier.
I can deny the "comfort" of a car. I can't sit in one position for hours. Cars force you to do that. Being able to stand up for a few minutes every half an hour or so is what let's me do long trips.
Heated clothing, good wet weather gear, phase change cooling vests. I'm dry and comfortable no matter what the weather.
Lithium to Graphene would be nice. Fixes most Lithium issues. Sadly it's still under R&D.
I'm excited for the next range of battery tech. Hopefully we can swap those in.
I wouldn't buy a fully electric bike.(electricity is a problem in my country) But I wish manufacturers would at least make hybrid bikes. That would be a good transition bike.
What country do you live in? A generator charging up a battery might be an interesting way to go. Sounds really complex and heavy though.
Uganda. Somewhere in East Africa.
It's actually going to take a while for electric to get into the third world.
I ride an ice sportbike for now. But honestly, running so much of the world on oil was a bit of a mistake.
I love the idea of your own solar panels powering your house and your car. Independent life. XD
Cheers
Mind Blown... 12 minutes, just wow. Although it seems significantly more expensive, what with the charge per minute. You said 20-80% was $5. Can you convert to gas and price with that? I.e. how far did you go with that charge, what would it have cost to drive a gas moto that far? (I'm thinking you went 70 miles, a normal moto gets 35mpg, so 2 gallons of gas, at $2.50 a gallon that's $5 - or therabouts... Which is sad that the electric company has figured out how to charge you as much for electricicty as the gas companies charge you for gas)...
Thanks man, and that's a great point. I'm hoping to do a gas vs. electric road trip comparison soon, now that we also have a super-efficient 250cc. Gas is way more expensive here (close to $6/gallon USD) but these DC stations might still be more expensive. Charging at home or at free stations is totally the way to go.
Hahahah everyone always wants to talk about my bike too. It's annoying sometimes 🤣
It never ends, so you find funny responses for them, like the battery explodes after 5 years and it's more toxic than diesel 😂
@@NewZeroland haven't heard that yet lol. How much will your battery cost to replace?
@@molifehacks5258 good question.. probably around the $6k mark. I know a few people who've had to replace Zero batteries, but no Energicas yet.
@@NewZeroland dam that's hella expensive! Mine just cost 3k. The price of my bike is 4k so I could just buy another bike for that price instead of just the battery 😂
@@molifehacks5258 wow that's cheap! Pretty impressive man. But at the same time.. the motor, frame, wheels, and all other electronics only cost $1K?? That's nuts!
My mind = explosion.webm (because can we just kill gif already?) But yeah, The thought that you could charge your vehicle in the time it takes to watch a youtube video is darn cool.
Haha thanks! It was more of a struggle to fill the 12 minutes worth of video to use that gag, than it was to charge the bike. I'm so spoiled now :D
That's crazy! 50% in just 12 minutes?! Gah, I want an Energica even more now
HAHA oh I know. It's such a game changer! If there are enough DC stations around, and you can find a used Energica (there's an Eva going for $12.5k I think) then it might be the way to go ;) Not to sway your decision haha.
@@NewZeroland Honestly, I'm really heavily leaning towards the Energica, even after your recommendation for the SR... Maybe not a new Ego but a used one or even an Eva? There's a lot of DC chargers here if I'm going to need them, and I'd much rather have peace of mind with multiple options for charging, especially fast charging. I'm more concerned about usability than price, so if yout think a secondhand Eva fits the bill better than an SR, I'd rather go for that
@@LynnXternal it's a tricky one. Zeros get better range, so that alleviates some anxiety while riding, but the charging is so much faster, and it comes as a standard on the bike. Without the added charge tank, Zeros are really difficult to road trip with. It comes down to personal preference, though. I really liked the Eva (and Ego, but the Eva is easier to ride), but they're a lot heavier than Zeros. You get used to the weight pretty fast, but it's really up to which one feels better to you :D
NewZeroland happen have a link to that Eva? Hoping it’s a Ribelle but doubtful at that price, and not an SS9(not the right rider position for me). Super close in buying a Zero or Energica within a week and narrowed it down to an EVA Ribelle or an SR/F. Had hoped to get a Lightning but they’re taking way too long to build. Kept an eye on Evoke but not seeing a bike from them yet that is on the level of Energica or Zero yet. Your videos have been helpful with answering several of my e-moto questions and enjoyable to watch for the sheer entertainment value and beautiful NZ scenery as I shop for my next bike. Huge thanks!
Amazing what fast charge can do, really wish Zero would upgrate to fast charge, my dream bike growing up was a Zero S, by the time I can afford a zero they should have fast charge anyway 🤣
The prices for used ones are coming way down. It's totally possible! Fast charging is pretty huge though, depending on how many stations are around you.
@@NewZeroland a cheap used one might totally be worth it even without fast charge
Ooof. 100km/h is highway speed in NZ?
While here in the EU we have better chraging infrastructure than in the US - even here in the eastern parts - the highay speed limit is 130km/h, and police doesn't ticket till 145 km/h. That suggests to me that your range figures are simply not applicable, if you want to go with the flow of the traffic.
Yeah at those kinds of speeds you'd need the new 21.5 Energicas with way better range.
I need to find a DC charge controller and female plug, so I can DC quick charge my homemade electric or modified electric motorcycles.
Absolutely! If your pack is over 200V and you're able to safely charge this fast, it's a total game changer.
@@NewZeroland
Do you know of a company that makes dc charge controllers, or do I have to salvage from a wrecked production EV?
I'm ok with the many Active Balancer/Equalizer connections, for that many batteries in series, and I always wanted the highest voltage posible, ever since I learned higher voltage means higher top-speed and rate-of-acceleration.
...But 200volts...the highest voltage traction motor-controller I have bookmarked, is 144v. I have to look again.
And now I'm worried if I have enough room in my Goldwing frame, to have enough batteries in parallel for capacity & torque.
I have to see, when I start that conversion project.
So your $5 = how many kilometres?
Roughly 70km I'm guessing. Or $2-3 at home to get 130km of range.
Tesla + Energica would be great ❤️
Yesssss!! And imagine if Energica took the limits off and allowed us to charge at 350kW hahaha. Recharge in minutes O__O
@@NewZeroland And imagine if Energica could equipe thier bike with a more energy dense bike so that they weights less!
A man can dreams...
😱what!..12:20s now that is charging fast
RIGHT?? Jez has a charge tank on his Zero, so he's used to charging fast, but even he was shocked at the speed. Total game changer.
Check my Bamboo Ebike. It's super fast ua-cam.com/video/mS6sWHoZQqo/v-deo.html
If they ask about lithium mining carbon pollution topic opinion, you should say "It is true lithium mining produce a lot of pollution at first but the more you ride and recharge the battery the more you offset that pollution compared to refueling fossil fuel."
So true! Way better than burning the battery and putting in a new one every couple hundred miles, eh? 😂
I get it but DC bikes are a tough sell right now, your just shy of buying a Tesla. Zero could finally decide to use liquid cooling and equip all bikes with Quick Charge allowing anyone to use a Tesla super charge station which is way more common than DC. You also maintain the ability to plug in anywhere with AC bikes. I get it but 20k is a hard pill to swallow when I can have just as much fun on my Zero not planning on any road trips. How does Energica charge at home? Their website is not very clear on that.
Energicas also have an AC charger (in the tail). You can use those at campsites and stuff too, but they're only 3kW. That's what I use to charge at home, but it takes ~5 hours. I'd compare Energicas to the newer Zeros (the SR/F and SR/S). Once you upgrade to the premium charging option on a Zero, the prices are the same.
@@NewZeroland that's good to know.
You’re fucking killing me here dude. This is awesome. Why do I live in the dumb country and how come fucking Florida means I can’t leave? Sign. Me. Up on this Energica life man.
HAHA thanks man :D It really has changed everything. Get your ass over here to hobbit land and we'll ride electric!
I’m trying. The world keeps saying duck you, USA- you dumb. Kinda can’t fault them but it suuuucks.
Yeah, that's the thing that the "100 miles & 50 kW is enough" mindset people just don't get. It's about charging at *your* convenience, not being forced to plan ahead and work your travel around the vehicle's speed. Also, waiting for other people to finish charging sucks. And that's not even mentioning the battery longevity increase of reducing the number of charge cycles for the same distance travelled. So no, there is no such thing as enough range or charging speed, even for a "city car".
Well said! That makes me think about the old floppy disks, and people who would ask "why would you need more than 1.4mb?" haha. Here I am thinking 50% in 12 minutes is fast, but future electric riders will laugh about that.
I'm of the opposite mentality. I feel that DC is the flash in the pan, but AC is the future.
Once technology comes far enough, the convenience of a 20 minute charge at the grocery store, cafe, or at the job, will far outweigh having to make a dedicated trip to the "gas station" even if you can get a 30 second charge. At least that's how I see it for the lower capacity batteries on motorcycles...
That's a good point. When you're going shopping, 20 minutes is totally fine. Even an hour charge over lunch at a restaurant is excusable. On a road trip though, when you're already driving or you're in a rush, pulling in for a sub-5 minute charge would be amazing.
@@NewZeroland yeah, I thought to myself that fast charger would still be a thing at highway rest stops and such, guess I forgot to write that.
Also, fast charger stations will still be a thing for cars, since they have a much bigger battery. My girl wants a Tesla but here in the states (south florida) I don't think it's realistic with there being 2 tesla spots at the mall and... that's all.
I really feel like ss batteries are what's gonna bust the ev market open! Maybe I'm over hyping them in my head, but I see so much coming just from the weight and space savings alone!
@@RemingtinArms depending where you live, if you have the ability to charge at home, a Tesla would still be amazing. The range is insane and the charging network is all over (not just Tesla superchargers, but you could use CCS stations too). Goooo for it!! Haha
That is expensive! Per minute? Holy..
Yeah, it ends up costing roughly 3x what it would to charge at home. Still cheaper than gas though.
You seem to be getting ripped off in NZ compared to the UK. It costs me about £5 for 40kWh of charge at 50kWh rated station here. There is no standing charge until you stay more than 90min and then you are hit with a £10 per hour overstay fee on the largest charging network here.
Wow, that's a great deal!
Really love the bike, honestly I would love one. It’s gorgeous, but it’s still 3 times slower to charge than I can gas up, and the price is creeping up and up.. I can see price parity with gas before too long. This coupled with the inevitable tax hammer that will come crashing down on ev’s when all the lovely gas tax revenue is gone and the hilarious price of these bikes is gonna keep me on a gas bike till the bitter end.. I’m genuinely sad about that, but it’s the way it is!
Eh, I'm not too worried. Battery prices and tech will keep improving, so the new EVs will be cheaper and charge faster.. and there will be an even bigger used market with even cheaper options. There will be something for you to ride if you want it 😎👍🔋⚡
I am sooo jealous... Nearly all charging stations where I live (France), whether AC or DC, charge per minute and not kWh. Frankly, this is stupid. And BY LAW they cannot charge per kWh which is cretinity squared.
Aw man! I guess that's better than being charged for both kWh AND by the minute 😂
@@NewZeroland My bad, I didn't understand at first that both were charged at the same time... *sigh*
How NOT to promote EV driving... But then the solution is really simple:
* charge per kWh...
* ... except when you charge below a certain power, in which case you charge at that power...
* ... and finally, if plugged in after the charge is complete (with a grace delay), charge an outrageous amount per minute to discourage people from hogging charging points.
Job done!
Example: a 150 kW charger:
* floor power 40 kW;
* when charging at or above 40 kW, charge per kWh;
* when charging below 40 kW, charge just as if the vehicle charged at 40 kW;
* when charging is complete and after a 5 minute delay, charge just as if the vehicle was charging at 5 times the peak power, ie 750 kW.
Damn $5 to charge, geez! I'm trying to keep it at $1, LOL.
Yeah electricity in NZ is pretty pricey :[
Electricity vs Gasoline:
25 cents per kwh for 60% of a 12kwh battery. Charged in 12 minutes for an additional 25 cents per minute.
That comes down to about 5 dollars.
50% of the battery gets you ~40km (timestamp 01:05). So 60% will get you ~48km.
So you're paying 5 dollars for about ~48km.
1 liter gasoline costs ~2.14 New Zealand Dollars.
Assume 20 km per 1 liter of fuel.
That gets you ~47km for the same 5 dollars.
Driving this electric motorcycle costs the same in fuel as a fuel-efficient gasoline powered car.
This doesn't take into consideration other costs such as cost to buy, cost to maintain, comfort, or anything else where gas powered vehicles blow electrics out the water.
This is what I dislike about the marketing around electrics. They sell it as a "more expensive to buy, but saves money in the long run" type of investment deal. It's not. If you're going to be charging your car using fast chargers next highways you're paying premium prices for electricity on top of additional fees that when added up will cost about the same as gas.
Either electric powered vehicles become much more comfortable to use, and then I'm willing to pay the same amount of $$$ for the same amount of comfort I have with gas powered today.
Or, the price comes down drastically to compensate for the loss of comfort.
These stations are only for road trips, when you really need to charge fast. Most EV charging happens at home overnight, where my bike costs about $2.50 for a full battery. My average range is about 130km, so that's better than any gas bike I know of. BUT THEN there are a bunch of FREE charging stations. They're just not as fast. Those take 3 hours vs. 30 min, so it's a compromise, but I haven't heard of any free gas stations 😎
Your accent is not kiwi?
Nope, I'm from California. My wife and I moved here about 8 years ago.
Zero dealers are NOTORIOUS for talking shit about DC fast charging. It is one of the many things I hate about Zero. Paying money for DC fast charging and paying more for maintenance are dealbreakers for me in getting an Energica right now (along with having no DC network near me anyway)
I've heard whispers of Zero integrating DC charging options into their next bikes, but we'll have to wait and see. I hope they do! I'm jealous of Lex Summer's free DC stations in Switzerland. The cost really adds up, but it's totally worth it to me.
@@NewZeroland That could be a game changer for zero. I'm not knocking anyone for being fine with the cost, electric vehicles are definitely worth it...just kind of dulls the sparkle for me.