I'd rather have a screen behind the steering wheel vs in the back seat. Any family that can afford a Tesla will have a tablet for each child. They aren't going to watch an awkwardly placed screen for 3 hours on a road trip.
I feel like my neck would hurt after a bit watching on that screen. Looks cool, functionally unnecessary. If they wanted to add entertainment systems, the classic screen in the back of the seat would make sense.
It’s more than a screen to watch movies or videos. It controls the AC etc for the back seat occupants. You can use your own iPads or laptops as there are ports for these also. You have options.
@@alastairhatt360but how much more? I mean, does it make more sense to simply put those controls up front, then allow an app to give people rear seat controls? Then use that money to, let’s say, put in a turn signal stalk? Or perhaps a driver’s instrument cluster.
@@alastairhatt360 You don't need a screen to control. Nobody was asking for a screen there. Just like nobody is asking for push button turn signals. A lot of people want a screen behind the steering wheel, even a very basic one.
@@cheezeandcrackers People love the entertainment screen in the rear; plus it's functional - what other mfg has that? As far as tablets for kids? NO. Do your job, it's a road trip. Ford, Jobs and Elon got to be where they were/are because they know people don't know what they want and literally proved it. I think there is a Kia for you though.
I am kind of tired of Tesla fans telling everyone to adopt. "You will adopt to the stalkless/buttons/screen/OPD/whatever in a day/week/month. Elon is always right." If Musk is a smart businessman he would LOWER the barriers because that would bring more sales/profit/market share with higher stock prices. I guess he has too much money already and does not want more.
@@LordHarryWotton I rest drove a model 3, drove it for a day. There were many occasions when I needed to use the turn signal, but the steering wheel was not straight, because of the angle of the road and or vehicle, I had to look to see which button to use. Several times, the steering wheel was nearly upside down and I had to guess which one was correct. Innovation should be an improvement, not a styling statement. Form should always follow function.
yes too much is on the screen now. EU test data shows that fiddling with the screen makes your response time on par with a stoner driving. Give me stalks, some buttons for the A/C and lights & ill keep my eyes on the road in front.
Wiper function is probably the worst feature of the car - especially in the dark. It is dangerous in some poor weather conditions where you need to concentrate fully on driving - not fiddling with wiper speed/auto all the time. Bring a rain sensor back for $1 and would happily pay for the fitting!
@@jcevans6934 Yes, and of course automatically turning on when it's not raining and turning itself back on constantly, even when you keep turning auto wipers off. 5 years and they still haven't fixed this.
First time I rented a Tesla, it started raining during my drive and I had to stop in the middle of the road in traffic when it was impossible to see out of the windshield and there were no buttons or stalks to turn on the wipers. Then I had to stop again in the road a few blocks later because the front windshield had fogged up and there’s no button for front defrost.
Tesla are going to have a tough time. A lot more competition and Musk behaving like an idiot on social media. There's a lot of people who are going to boycott the brand.
2:09 Honestly after driving the new Tesla model 3 in the UK it was down right dangerous when trying to use the indicator on the wheel when exiting Roundabouts. I definitely didn't like it compared to having the indicators on the storks.
This actually is seen in the road allready. There are some Teslas, who do not indicate when leaving roundabout even it is mandatory safety thing. When seeing Tesla is not indicating the turn from roundabout I usually see what it was and most often it is a new model 3. Model Y's indicate normally so it must be the stalks.
You can retrofit them, you'll then get the worlds best vehicle (and keep the stalks some really want) * It'll only take you less then 1/1.5 hours and cost about 200 - 250 usd ( Google for it )
“Almost all input is error” is about the most stupid statement I ever heard. It explains a lot of the bad design decisions Tesla has made and still makes. If you want to know what happens when you don’t have manual override procedures when the tech gets it wrong you can just look at the two 737-MAX accidents. With that attitude Elon should not be allowed within 100 feet of the design of any safety critical system.
True story here. A friend of mine hopped in to my brand new m3 and was so impressed he ordered one a couple a week later. However he didn’t know that my M3 was the last batch to have stalks. No prize for guessing right. He cancelled his order after he clarified with me that his model won’t have stalks. There you go Elon!
I bought my Tesla in September 2023. I had planned on buying the refreshed Model 3 but when I saw at the beginning of September that the stalks had been removed I got hand on one of the last original Model 3.
My big gripe is the removal of ultrasonic sensors and failure to add a rain sensor. Sensors are still more effective that Tesla Vision, and their return would suppliment Vision as a corroborative input (similar to Boeing's solution for the 737 Max). Vision still isn't good with depth while parking - it's like us walking around with one eye closed - and I regularly get dry swipes by wipers when shadows or sunlight hits the camera.
I may be a minority, but my car has USS, and I turned it off to gain vision based functionality including auto-park (I have FSD). Been using it ever since it was introduced and I don't miss USS anymore. I do admit I missed USS initially.
Yeah I get the dry wipe a lot on my 2023 Tesla Model Y LR AWD. It also goes way too fast on the wipes most of the time, so I frequently put the wipers on manual mode. No parking sensors or front camera is annoying as I have to get out of the car to see how close I am to objects when parking. I plan on getting the new 2026 Toyota RAV4 plug-in hybrid which has all the traditional sensors and over 500 miles of range. I can use the electric mode for daily commuting.
@@Sal3600 On the Tesla homepage in the Model 3 2024 owners manual Driving->Steering Wheel is an info-box stating: "Note Some controls on the steering wheel are capacitive buttons, meaning they do not have a physical switch, but respond to touch and provide haptic feedback (as a vibration). Do not rest your fingers on them unless intended. Unintentionally touching these buttons can enable or disable them. If a button is mistakenly enabled, remove your fingers from the switches for several seconds to resume normal operation." In the picture above there is no indication that the indicators are real buttons.
@@sandmehlig I have a 2024 tesla model 3 highland. I can confirm there are zero capacitive touch buttons. Note: I said "now" in my original comment meaning newer models.
@@Sal3600 How are stalks unsafe? I can't wrap my head around that. I can ALWAYS find the stalks with my hand in the dark or while I'm turning hand-over-hand. I can find the buttons in the dark, too, but it's a lot harder to find them when the wheel isn't aligned straight ahead. That said, I don't use the turn signals when I'm already turning, so there's that. With steer-by-wire, as in the CT, I can get used to the buttons. Test drove one last week and didn't have much trouble. Would really like to see SBW in the MY refresh.
Radar has bad resolution and cant make out features of things ahead and cant provide context. Dont run into that car! Oh wait the road turns...Ultimately its the software that decides on courses of action and if the situation and object ahead cant be determined, having the sensor is counter productive. The best solution is to simply drive at a speed that allows for safe actions given the visibility and that can best be achieved by vision alone.
If you can’t see through it drive accordingly. Don’t rely on the systems to do it for you all the time, you are still in control so use the cars tech as a assistant not the solution.
@@alastairhatt360 Well obviously but the cars should see way more than we do and seeing through fog or heavy rain is what sensors would do. But I say forget radar and use FLIR.
Radar is good when moving slow, when going fast there a bunch of problems introduce. Their range resolution, and their accuracy fall off the cliff. It require a lot of processing power to recalibrate for errors. Also to have 2 systems competing and contradicting each other wouldn't be so productive for the Ai while trying to figure how to drive.
I like the stalks, I like instrument clusters, I like mechanical doors and I like physical gear shifter. why I will never buy a tesla if im looking for an ev
Same here (tho not that specific car due to lame tariffs). No gear shift stalk is potentially deadly if you're trying to do an emergency turnaround. Most idiotic decision ever by Elon and that's saying a lot. Okay, maybe not the most idiotic, but it's up there.
A software update removed defrost for the main screen and buried it under menus. Their excuse was they were cleaning the interface and no one used defrost(in southern California) so they removed it. Digging through menus when one cant see out of the windshield was a bad idea for a company which prioritizes safety. They added it back a few months later (probably after a NHTSA investigation).
The defroster options can be displayed as your favorites on the screen without going to the menu. I also have the wipers as a favorite to access them more easily. In addition, one commenter illustrated these controls can be done via voice commands.
@@Endangered-Barking-Toad Thanks, sometimes it is hard to find the exact phrasing, Grok will be welcomed as it should understand any phrasing. I think voice command requires cell connectivity, they should move it into onboard compute. unfortunately Grok will probably need the cloud.
No stalks, no mobile connector, no radar, no passenger lumbar support, no rear cargo cover, no home link, no buttons…what’s next? 🤔 I’m really surprised there’s no regulation against removing turn signal stalks
Not having a rain sensor is my biggest complaint. The wiper in the cybertruck sucks. It often turns on when it's not raining and doesn't turn on when it is raining. Because it's sometimes doesn't turn on when it's raining hard, it's dangerous. I have to constantly press the button to make it wipe once. NHTSA should issue a recall and force Tesla to install rain sensors.
A month ago I leased my 2nd EV. I have stalks, sensors, radar, full time blind spot monitoring, rear cross traffic alert, and all around view camera display, and homelink. My wife's favorite feature, she can open the door with one finger, either hand. Lumbar support for the passenger seat is included. Throw in wireless Apple Carplay, Android Auto, SiriusXM satellite and AM radio. Yeah, it's not a Tesla.
And it won’t OTA update or last as long or have a battery range last as long or supercharge or give you the future option to self-drive. What a wonderful car you didnt buy
@@BongoWongoOG You are right, it won't self drive like a Tesla with FSD. I do however have access to V3 and V4 superchargers. It does get OTA updates although they are not on the order of Tesla's. One Tesla feature it does not have is Phantom Braking. My first test drive of the 2024 M3 on 2 lane hwy it phantom braked. I have a relative with a 2018 M3 he bought new. He can't use Autopilot because it Phantom Brakes to the point of distraction. He paid for FSD and feels cheated because it never lived up to the promises made at the time. And of course his paid for radar was disabled. My Autopilot function follows the road with adaptive cruise control and automatic speed adjustment if desired. I can correct the steering to go around a pothole without disengagement. Not one instance of phantom braking after 800 miles.
@@samwarren1429I’ve had the 2024 m3p since it released over 4k miles and haven’t had any phantom breaking. I’m pretty sure they fixed it in newer models and software. Also what car did u get, I’m guessing lucid?
@samwarren1429 I had a Mach E for over a month as a loaner...Even though it was a glitchy mess, I wanted one, but the ongoing high voltage battery junction box issues had me skipping on the purchase. I dont trust Ford to support it in any sort of long term. I do hope I'm wrong for your sake.
Removing features that customers buy because of sparse usage is like removing lifeboats from a cruise ship because they seldom get used. Oh, they tried that once. Can you spell T-I-T-A-N-I-C?
From someone who has driven a Model 3 Highland for six months the gear shifting on the screen actually isn't much of a problem. It works ok and most of the times (although far from always) it will correctly select the right gear when you get in the car and press the brake pedal. The indicator buttons on the other hand are a nightmare. I still often fail to indicate when I exit smaller roundabouts and it removes my attention from the road every time I have to find the right button while turning the steering wheel. This solution should not be legal. It also drives me nuts when the car suddenly feels the need to take over braking or steering for no apparent reason. And I can't even turn that crap off. By the way Elon Musk has also been a huge source of frustration for me since I bought the car (our second Tesla btw.) so I can confidently say that I'm buying a different brand next time.
The braking issue I have in a 2022 honda CRV as well. Typically when someone is turning off the main road, I have room to pass but the car still brakes. Super frustrating, and im sure in 10 years the software/hardware will be so faulty its going to cause a lot of issues making the car virtually undriveable. Now Tesla does run updates so they might not have the same issues but frustrating none the less.
Elon only cares about his own opinion, not mine or yours. About cars, about Mars, about education, about marriage and fidelity and what it means to be a good dad, about Ukraine, about Germany, about Democracy....
I traded my 21 MYLR AWD for a 24 MYLR AWD and noticed a number of downgrades on the exact same model vehicle. The audio fidelity was way better on the 21. Also, the acceleration is very noticeably different (slower) on the 24. Even with the acceleration boost upgrade, it is still slower than the stock 21 and the rated Range is 30 miles less. I can't drive 40 miles in the 24 without my back hurting. I never had lower back issues in the 21; seats were way more comfortable and adjustable. Honestly, I miss the ultrasonic sensor accuracy and was hoping to see more benefits and upgrades in the 24, instead, it feels like I down graded going to the 24. At this juncture, I would be happy with any vehicle that had a roof sunglasses holder; even the cheapest vehicles have a dedicated place for sunglasses and garage door openers, not Tesla? Don't even get me started on the horrible auto wipers... Sad.....very sad how Tesla vehicles are going in the wrong direction for features, owner satisfaction and comfort...😌
Calling the single USB port inside the glove box "still pretty good" is ludicrous. That port needs to be dedicated to dashcam/security video storage, which means it's pretty useless for just about anything else. The hoops I had to jump through to get my music collection available at the same time was insane. Plus, the fact that it's inside the closed glove box (with no simple way to open) makes it incredibly inconvenient, especially since the software fails to mount the partition with the music when you start the car about 10% of the time (meaning you have to physically unplug it and plug it back in). I'm still pissed about it two years later.
The new turn signal is an annoyance but the badly working wiper is a major security risk especially for rental cars. This is once again a case where you think that Teslas are created for California weather and large streets but not some cold and foggy countries where turn signals and wipers are of much more importance and streets are smaller.
For me removal of the stalks is the worst and outright dangerous. I had FSD pull out into an intersecton and then abandon driving while cars were coming at me from both sides. Frantically I was trying to shift into reverse so as to get out of there and the shift slider on the screen was having none of it. Here in New England there are lots of quick alternating turns, good luck quickly trying to find the right blinker button as the wheel reorients during this navigation. Has the feel of one of those "brilliant engineer" ideas I've seen so much of in my career. And then there is the wiper saga ..
The removal of the stalks was a MAJOR BONEHEAD MOVE. With stalks, I can operate lights and wipers by feel ... now I have to take my eyes off the road to search for the respective steering wheel "buttons" (not really buttons). Now I'll have to resort to the aftermarket to fix this error. Bummer!!! 👎 ☹️ Just to be clear, I do not have "mixed" feelings on this issue. Let us go to FIRST PRINCIPLES. TOUCH SCREEN CONTROLS ARE NOT AN APPROPRIATE CHOICE FOR CONTROLS IN A MOVING VEHICLE!! TACTILELY IDENTIFIABLE PHYSICAL CONTROLS ARE THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE OPTION.!!! On this issue Elon and Franz need to get their heads out of their respective asses and get a clue. Minimalism is the fundamental fatal flaw in Tesla's design ethos. Also, the 3 and Y need to incorporate either the driver oriented instrument panel of the S & X or they need to incorporate a HUD. Period. Full stop. This is not a debate, it is a statement of fact!
I have a plaid and see no value in the stalks. I operate everything just fine with the wheel controls and voice. Plus, I rarely have to even change gears. Stalks ARE NOT needed, and I see that now. Been driving this way for 3 years now.
It’s more fun when you use a car that HAS stalks and switch back and forth. I have a 2017 Nissan Leaf and an M3, and when I switch between the two I find myself instinctively reaching for stuff in the M3 that isn’t there.
In beginning of tesla the need to save $ in production was main reason tesla didn't give sound reduction material / glass/stalks good stereo and ride quality was all sacrificed to sell cheapest possible . Most people want hud and stalks because of years of conditioned driving experience. The only real reason people want tesla is hope of fsd that is not yet complete...less is not more and alot of interior living is. Bad compared to compared 40k car. I truly believe Tesla may 1 day deliver a true autonomous car but has over promised and under delivered for decade or more .
Removal of what is left of muscle memory switches and stalks will prevent me from buying another tesla no matter how much I like the car. Its been a year and a half and 35,000 perfect electric miles but I still miss the controls my BMWs had. Less is better should only go so far and in the case of new Teslas its gone too far.
@@freddymax5256 Driving should be an enjoyable experience. That depends on the individual, it's not a question of right or wrong. Everyone's brain and body is different. Some people prefer the muscle memory, as it feels good. I would guess that athletic people go for the muscle memory, nerds don't care so much.
Stalk removal, lack of USS, or at least a 360 camera setup. Even a Bolt EV has 360 cameras and USS in the rear bumper at least. The stalks are a deal killer for me... use my signals 500 times per day... drive 300 miles per day in the city.. Why should I have a lesser car that is a pain to drive just so Tesla can save a couple bucks.. If there is an aftermarket fix. I would consider it.
@rickrademacher7522 When FSD can drive 300 miles in the city for 10 hours a day in and out of parking lots picking up passengers you will be correct.. until then I want stalks that I need to use .
The number of times you said "but removing this was justified because it increased Tesla's margins"... as though that should be a concern of the car-buying public, was a bit alarming.
When a company stops listening to its customers, they typically fail. Nobody likes everything in a screen. It's dangerous until full self driving is 99.99 % fail safe. Then you can ditch them, not before.
Love to see them doubling down on stupid design choices. Vehicle ergonomics have been optimized for over a hundred years. Turn signal stalks just do it the best.
If they want to cut costs and improve quality, they should ditch the stupid frameless windows. Frameless windows are a terrible idea in cars where there is no convertible option. They increase costs and offer inferior sealing. Also, for a car that will supposedly offer unsupervised self-driving in future.... where's the right foot dead-pedal? There's one for the left foot... why not the right? Finally, at least offer an optional HUD (I think it should be standard). Oh, and a three-motor option for the 3P please!
AVs and FSD relying solely on images will fail in dazzling sunlight, dense fog, smoke, dust, snow, spray etc.. There has to be a fall-back system in place to avoid cars simply stopping so adding to the hazard. Regulatory authorities will likely look hard at this issue. This has to be addressed by Tesla in the near future, if only for piece of mind of those in the vehicles.
It should be made illegal for a car manufacturer to remove features from a vehicle (software wise) if you purchase with the particular features. If they added, then it’s a different story, but taking away on something you own, is really a form of stealing?
I’ve found that it’s easy to get confused with the turn signals when you have the steering wheel upside down or if you aren’t paying conscious attention. I once made a left turn while inadvertently signaling right at the time.
@@tylerdurden6917No, he makes a good point. Humans are less prone to make a mistake if the turn signal mechanism doesn’t change in positioning. Same thing with the dumb horn button…that could get someone killed. Don’t be defensive based on brand identity. Think critically. Same goes for politics, religion, etc.
@@georgewashington3012 bud I was able to adapt pretty easily, I never once made that same mistake which means it’s a u problem, if I can adapt to it so can u & if u don’t like it then tough
Left and right button of steering wheel is a bad design as majority of other car makers continue use lever. Creating a frustrating users switching between Tesla and non-Tesla vehicles.
I switch frequently with no issues. But I get it. Imagine moving to another country and you have to adapt to the steering wheel on the wrong side ;) Just takes a couple weeks to get used to.
Can someone explain what was wrong with the turning stalk? It’s the perfect design; intuitive, always in position and doesn’t need to be looked at to operate. EVs have enough challenges without creating solutions to non-existent problems.
Re stalk removal. Turning buttons just bearable but not as good as stalk. I stuck a luminous dot next to left turning signal ( RHD model ) to reduce confusion when the steering wheel is upside down leaving a roundabout Gear selection without a stalk is pretty good , especially for automatic forward or reverse selection but in an emergency when you need reverse quickly ( car in front rolling back towards you at traffic lights ) it is much slower. Access to high and low beam is not as good as a stalk and often requires you to divert your vision from the road. With stalks the controls are always in the same accessible spot , unlike buttons which change with the movement of the steering wheel. You get used to no stalks , but in many situations it is not as good and is a distraction to safe driving. Still love my M3 P though.
When an accident happens it always: -is totally unexpected; -happens VERY quickly. Every millisecond counts, and no one has time to look down to a screen....
They should at least offer "standard" and then a "high" regen offering. After driving a Bolt, particularly when engaging the added regen pedal by the blinker stalk, it makes me want more regen in Teslas.
Has anyone had to parallel park while shifting on the screen? Seems like it would be ridiculous. I live in a city. I rapidly shift back and forth from reverse to drive as I slide my car into tight spots. I feel like I would be getting honked at if I had to fumble around on the touch screen.
Tesla's minimalism was attractive but, lately, I find it going too far. The stalks are especially a dealbreaker for me. I can not afford a Tesla, but if I ever come into some money, a Tesla as it is now won't be my choice.
Yes, a lot of elderly people were unable to adapt from dial and push-button landline desk phones because they were unable to figure out how to operate a buttonless smart phone.
@@dvader3263 You don’t need three arms and hands to operate a buttonless smart phone whereas to turn a Tesla’s steering wheel under control according to the Highway Code and be able to indicate at all times you would do. It’s kinda obvious really, trying to make out it’s an age thing, presumably implying your young and can learn quickly is just dumb.
While I don't like it, no stalks isn't a dealbreaker for me. What is a bigger issue is Elon's childish behavior on social media and now his nose all into politics. A CEO needs to run their company and stop acting like an idiot for the world to see. If he can't focus on Tesla then he needs to let someone else run it.
Euro NCAP have added requirement to get 5 star safety score from 2026 that cars need to have physical buttons for horn, blinkers, whipers, horn and SOS. Based on pictures on juniper it going to have stalks, I am pretty sure this is also a reason why tesla bringing it back.
removing option for regen braking is safety downgrade. During icy conditions, regen braking with RWD is outright dangerous, causing the rear of the car to be unstable during braking and with in experienced driver can cause the vehicle to spin. Tesla should add some "winter mode" that has regen braking disabled in cold weather conditions.
Just as I predicted a few years back Tesla is turning into just another car company! No more cutting edge innovation making the other companies panic. Nope now its just another exercise in how much can we remove and charge more money for the car! I was on the fence about buying a Tesla but the more I hear about this, plus the crappy service and build quality, the more I say I'll take a hard pass on Tesla.
As an avid gamer, even I think the Steam integration was a ridiculous feature. Very small audience and would be obsolete in a few years unless you were able to upgrade the GPU.
I like my new (to me) 2020 M3. The parts I like least are the ones that Tesla is doubling down on. I want more regen options, not none. I want conventional controls fro lights, wipers and turn signals, and a physical control for shifting. Can't afford physical controls but can afford to put a screen in the back seat that no one will ever use? Hopefully other manufacturers will up their game without mindlessly following Tesla's lead on this stuff. For me, the sum total of these changes would be a deal breaker for me buying a new Tesla.
@@Sal3600 You are nuts. The buttons are just plain stupid. Tesla controls are terrible and everyone knows it. Consumer Report summed it up nicely: "It may have spectacular performance, but this car is an ergonomic nightmare."
Hard to trust FSD with only cameras when the system disables simple things like park assist whenever it rains. All of the FSD demonstrations you see are in full sunlight. I wonder why....
Glad Ii bought my Model Y before the parking sensors were removed. The passenger lumbar isn’t adjusted much, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t used, as my usual passenger (my wife) has it adjusted where she prefers it. I can’t believe we put up with awful automatic wiper function for $1/car cost saving.
"Glad Ii bought my Model Y before the parking sensors were removed." While you may still have the USS, they are no longer used by the vehicle's software. As far as the lumbar, most people only need to set it once and then they never fiddle with it again. Of course there are exceptions and cases where different people use the same seat and require different adjustments.
@@jdudleyh My brother bought a sensor less Model Y in 2023. I often drive it. I assure you my software is using the sensors. My car accurately displays the distances as I pull into my garage. His car is surrounded by a swirl of colors and less accurate numbers. What stopped being used by the software is radar.
Another downgrade: Rear Brembo brakes on Model Y Performance, downgraded in 2023 to Mando brakes with a cheesy cover plate to look performancey. Model 3 Highland steering now slower and more vague on center.
The removal of stalks, parking sensors and rain sensor were important factors for me to move away from Tesla. Although a cars feature set is always a balancing act for any manufacturer Tesla seems to eager to me to prioritize cost cuts at the expense of the driver experience.
I just want to say that at present I drive a 2021 Model 3 SR+ and have test driven a refresh Model 3 2024. As of right now, I would not consider "upgrading" to the new trim, for the simple reason that the stalks are gone. I went from driving manual "stick shift" in the UK my whole adult life, to American Auto style stalk shifting on the M3 and the upgrade was incredible; being able to whip into reverse without my hand leaving the wheel was an incredibly nimble feeling way to drive and park - now that this is gone with the new M3 and the soon to be released Juniper Model Y, I just don't think I'll drive any new Teslas, it's completely put me off and yes I have considered all the other amazing features.
Tesla just removed the “Minimize lane change” feature for FSD. This sucks cuz FSD is so aggressive with lane changes, and I almost don’t feel comfortable using FSD now
Good video. How about they add CarPlay? Also, like the early Model S and X cars, add in a driver's console. As for the turn signal stalks, I've yet to see a Tesla use a turn signal. Obviously, they won't be missed.
The best thing about physical controls is that the manufacturer can't keeping moving them around with every update. They are also more intuitive in my experience, I definitely fumble about more and take my eyes off the road more trying to use display screen controls.
Another degrade, for cars with indicator stalks, is that when going to "automatic indicator cancellation" they removed the half indicator deflection functionality (where it would flash a few times then stop, versus full deflection where indicator stays on). While not super huge, it is annoying when doing things like merging as you now have to cancel indicators every time (previously you could use the half indicate which would stop after a few flashes). In NZ you spend quite a bit of time merging lanes so the previous functionality was appreciated. BTW I won't be buying one without indicator stalks (watching 3rd party options).
@@tshd4B2ZNWS Thank you captain obvious. I was talking about the NVH.. suspension, ride quality, interior quality.. it's all really nice in the new model. It goes over bumps and rough roads with ease and keeps things very quiet inside.
Worst move, in my opinion, is moving to Tesla Vision. It's just not as good as previously and I'm afraid they won't make "real" FSD happening without additional sensors. Cost optimisation is more than fine for me, but it seems they are started to save money on the back of their customers...
Of all minor gripes I have with my Y, the windshield wipers suddenly turning on with not a cloud in the sky is the worst. No real world impact it just looks stupid and is annoying. I have to take my eyes off the road and futz around with the screen to turn them off or actually activate them with my left side stalk so that the interface is displayed allowing me to use the thumb wheel to set the wipers to off. Truly a case of high tech being worse than the old tech. I could use voice commands, but I find that works about 1 in every 3 tries, which turns a stupid situation into a Saturday Night Live sketch.
I bought a 2023 M3 with FSD in November of 2022. It did not have the ultrasonic sensors, relying on the improved camera system. The software for the cameras did not arrive by the time I got rid of the car the following March. It was highly disappointing to know that I lost a feature that I would have had if I had got a late 2022, since the price of the car was the same. Elon doesn't understand the human brain. If you piss off the customer enough, the customer might say F you and never return. Of course, he loves to F off everyone, so it doesn't matter to him. There were other unresolved issues with the car and I learned that have a car-like thing to drive was not as satisfying as having an actual car. My sound system had speakers that weren't connected: you could buy aftermarket harnesses and re-connect them, but again, a 2022 had the wires and the 2023 did not. Completely messed up thinking. But Elon is on drugs and doesn't think like a human being. Hopefully he will have fun on Mars, and as they say, distance lends enchantment. Life is too short to waste on messed up thinking, so I'm gone.
if they only got rid of the glass roof, or made it an upgrade. worst feature in terms of efficiency in the summer and massively uncomfortable. my roof its tinted, insulated, and covered and its still so damn hot from the roof area.
I lost my love of my 2018 Model 3 when Tesla shrank the map to map the cartoon of the car driving larger. I really felt how little they cared about my safety and sold it within the year.
I know hardcore Tesla fans harp on this guy for what sounds like negative talk. But you're paying the same price for a car that 4 years ago had every feature for the same price that is now gone in the current model(s). If Tesla is saving money in cost cutting features then why shouldn't the buyer see the same in return? Less costs for Tesla should mean less cost for me too, right? But no, it's not the same for the buyer. So yes, some critical feedback should be heard.
@@Diablodelsol the modern cars have more powerful hardware, better cameras, thicker glass, quieter cabins, better stereos, and better fit/finish. They added heated steering wheel, power trunk, better suspension, back seat screen, blind spot led, better screen, better headlights etc etc. fact is, you're getting a lot more for your $ these days, and you lose parking sensors, radar, and stalks. Seems like a fair trade to me to keep the cost down in a time where everything is skyrocketing in price.
There are a lot more market factors involved in pricing (interest rate, inflation, supplier pricing/logistics, ...). Real-time, regional supply and demand is the primary determinist for pricing. Cutting costs can also be to benefit the margin/company.
@@jeremyventurino9481 its also important to note, your losing the hardware, but not the features any of it was capable off, the car still detects objects, the car still parks itself, the car still has indicators obviously.
Honestly I don't see the issue with these changes. I purchased a standard range model 3 in October of 2020, and recently upgraded to the 2025 long range model 3 and as @jeremyventurino9481 said, it's an improvement across the board. Not only that, but the 2025 version was less money out the door despite inflation, though offset by the tax credit which wasn't around in 2020. So not only is it a superior car, but it also has 140 more miles of range for less, which is pretty wild considering the average new car price in the US has increased from 39k in 2020 to 48k this year. If it was the exact same car as it used to be you'd have a point, but the new models 3s are greatly improved.
@@platniumdrThat's true they did add in more power and it's cheaper due to the tax breaks and increased competitiveness of it's rivals overseas. My question is now that Elon has Trump's right arm will he keep up the tax before or let them be drawn back. Otherwise gas cars look good again
Removing Creep mode is bad news for those of us who drive in winter weather. That mode definitely helps the cars remain stable and not slip from starting from a complete stop. Ugh.
Sometimes Ryan, you appear to excuse Tesla's behavior due to its need to make a bigger profit. We have noticed that you often side with it or minimizes the impact of charges in its 😮products. It's a pattern to look at as Tesla doesn't need a pass when it comes to its failure to meet a customer centered approach.
Thus it does not give an objective point of view. It's getting hard to listen to you as you are more Tesla aligned and not given the customer centered advice or guidance
People in the comments from the Tesla community are exactly what makes it hard to be a proud owner. There is nothing wrong with Ryan posting this video, it is informational and some people may not know. And to say he has been negative to Tesla is a lie, his channel is mainly based on Tesla content and he has always had a clear bias for Tesla. Which I have never been the most fond of! You guys are ridiculous.
I can see why companies like BYD will continue to have a large market, because most of their cars HAVE proper physical controls and driver facing instruments and not just cumbersome to use screen in the middle of the car.
Removal of the stalk for indicating is dangerous especially when exiting a roundabout. Could you also make it a voice control (indicate left or indicate right) I’m glad I still have ultrasonic parking sensors but I’m amazed how poor the Tesla parking display is compared to my wife’s BYD Atto 3 which has a superb 360 degree camera system and sensors. This is a much more serious issue than the ability to play video games or making Fart noises. I still love my 2021 Model 3 Long Range and will probably change to a Model Y Long Range when the Juniper refresh is available in the UK if it is as good as the hype is suggesting but there are a few other options to look at now.
I have been using auto park for months now, and my USS is off. It is the best auto-parking system right now, nevermind 15 years ago. My MY is probably my 4th car during the past 15 years, and none of them are close, including the recent BMW X3. Current auto-park works really well!
I'd rather have a screen behind the steering wheel vs in the back seat. Any family that can afford a Tesla will have a tablet for each child. They aren't going to watch an awkwardly placed screen for 3 hours on a road trip.
I feel like my neck would hurt after a bit watching on that screen. Looks cool, functionally unnecessary. If they wanted to add entertainment systems, the classic screen in the back of the seat would make sense.
It’s more than a screen to watch movies or videos. It controls the AC etc for the back seat occupants. You can use your own iPads or laptops as there are ports for these also. You have options.
@@alastairhatt360but how much more? I mean, does it make more sense to simply put those controls up front, then allow an app to give people rear seat controls? Then use that money to, let’s say, put in a turn signal stalk? Or perhaps a driver’s instrument cluster.
@@alastairhatt360 You don't need a screen to control. Nobody was asking for a screen there. Just like nobody is asking for push button turn signals. A lot of people want a screen behind the steering wheel, even a very basic one.
@@cheezeandcrackers People love the entertainment screen in the rear; plus it's functional - what other mfg has that? As far as tablets for kids? NO. Do your job, it's a road trip. Ford, Jobs and Elon got to be where they were/are because they know people don't know what they want and literally proved it. I think there is a Kia for you though.
I am kind of tired of Tesla fans telling everyone to adopt. "You will adopt to the stalkless/buttons/screen/OPD/whatever in a day/week/month. Elon is always right." If Musk is a smart businessman he would LOWER the barriers because that would bring more sales/profit/market share with higher stock prices. I guess he has too much money already and does not want more.
ADAPT
Go buy a Kia
I love my Tesla. Elon Musk is an idiot. I’m definitely going to be taking a good, hard look at the competition in a few years.
This is what happens when you kick out the original founders and let a salesman take over
@@iowa_don Yeah. Alternatively wait for FSD and dont use them at all. That's where Elon is heading. No controls at all.
I personally like the stalks
Everyone liked them… except Tesla!
I test drove my first EV and Tesla the other day, it was stalk-less. It really just took a few minutes to get used to and then it wasn't an issue.
I was happy my 2025 Model Y had the stalks. For someone going from a Prius to a Tesla, it made a smaller change.
@@LordHarryWotton I rest drove a model 3, drove it for a day. There were many occasions when I needed to use the turn signal, but the steering wheel was not straight, because of the angle of the road and or vehicle, I had to look to see which button to use. Several times, the steering wheel was nearly upside down and I had to guess which one was correct.
Innovation should be an improvement, not a styling statement. Form should always follow function.
yes too much is on the screen now. EU test data shows that fiddling with the screen makes your response time on par with a stoner driving. Give me stalks, some buttons for the A/C and lights & ill keep my eyes on the road in front.
The wipers in my Model Y *suck*. Come on, Tesla. You've had a decade of this. The vision doesn't work. Put the $1 sensor in the car until it does.
Wiper function is probably the worst feature of the car - especially in the dark. It is dangerous in some poor weather conditions where you need to concentrate fully on driving - not fiddling with wiper speed/auto all the time. Bring a rain sensor back for $1 and would happily pay for the fitting!
I agree - I frequently have to press the wash/wiper button on the stalk for a quick wipe - not sure what the stalkless alternative is...
@@jcevans6934 voice command now, vs having to mess with the screen.
@@jcevans6934 Yes, and of course automatically turning on when it's not raining and turning itself back on constantly, even when you keep turning auto wipers off. 5 years and they still haven't fixed this.
What happened to pushing the button and saying turn on windshield wipers. voice command. Worked on my 2018 and 2024.
First time I rented a Tesla, it started raining during my drive and I had to stop in the middle of the road in traffic when it was impossible to see out of the windshield and there were no buttons or stalks to turn on the wipers.
Then I had to stop again in the road a few blocks later because the front windshield had fogged up and there’s no button for front defrost.
Tesla are going to have a tough time. A lot more competition and Musk behaving like an idiot on social media. There's a lot of people who are going to boycott the brand.
Not nearly as many as who are falling in love with it.
2:09 Honestly after driving the new Tesla model 3 in the UK it was down right dangerous when trying to use the indicator on the wheel when exiting Roundabouts.
I definitely didn't like it compared to having the indicators on the storks.
No indicator stalks is a horrible move.
I actually prefer no stalks. After one day it's better. used to it now
Indicator stalks are a stupid move.
This actually is seen in the road allready. There are some Teslas, who do not indicate when leaving roundabout even it is mandatory safety thing. When seeing Tesla is not indicating the turn from roundabout I usually see what it was and most often it is a new model 3. Model Y's indicate normally so it must be the stalks.
Have you tried it? I just got a model 3, it's fine, got used to it in days.
You can retrofit them, you'll then get the worlds best vehicle (and keep the stalks some really want)
* It'll only take you less then 1/1.5 hours and cost about 200 - 250 usd
( Google for it )
Removal of stalks is a serious safety issue. Try to find the turn signal button on the wheel while going through a traffic circle, for example.
I will say it the other way, if Tesla can't make auto wipers work reliably, it will never make FSD fully autonomous.
Well, yes - if the car is to operate as a Robotaxi while the owner is at work, it needs to be able to reliably keep its cameras clean independently.
What's ironic is I think FSD might already be better than their auto wipers, smh
unrelated issues. But FSD is decades away based on Tesla failings.
What about the Sunroof?
“Almost all input is error” is about the most stupid statement I ever heard. It explains a lot of the bad design decisions Tesla has made and still makes. If you want to know what happens when you don’t have manual override procedures when the tech gets it wrong you can just look at the two 737-MAX accidents. With that attitude Elon should not be allowed within 100 feet of the design of any safety critical system.
Well said Tomas !!
I can't stand his pontificating
What about the Sunroof?
While you’re probably right, you’re naming two incidents over who knows how many the opposing view could name
@@equiles What opposing view? That it’s ok for to crash? 😂
True story here. A friend of mine hopped in to my brand new m3 and was so impressed he ordered one a couple a week later. However he didn’t know that my M3 was the last batch to have stalks. No prize for guessing right. He cancelled his order after he clarified with me that his model won’t have stalks. There you go Elon!
I bought my Tesla in September 2023. I had planned on buying the refreshed Model 3 but when I saw at the beginning of September that the stalks had been removed I got hand on one of the last original Model 3.
My big gripe is the removal of ultrasonic sensors and failure to add a rain sensor. Sensors are still more effective that Tesla Vision, and their return would suppliment Vision as a corroborative input (similar to Boeing's solution for the 737 Max). Vision still isn't good with depth while parking - it's like us walking around with one eye closed - and I regularly get dry swipes by wipers when shadows or sunlight hits the camera.
No there not! FSD is better than ever with Tesla vision!
@@kazz1896 I wasnt referencing FSD... Regardless, you're welcome to your opinion.
Tesla uses stereoscopic vision for depth perception.
I may be a minority, but my car has USS, and I turned it off to gain vision based functionality including auto-park (I have FSD). Been using it ever since it was introduced and I don't miss USS anymore. I do admit I missed USS initially.
Yeah I get the dry wipe a lot on my 2023 Tesla Model Y LR AWD. It also goes way too fast on the wipes most of the time, so I frequently put the wipers on manual mode. No parking sensors or front camera is annoying as I have to get out of the car to see how close I am to objects when parking. I plan on getting the new 2026 Toyota RAV4 plug-in hybrid which has all the traditional sensors and over 500 miles of range. I can use the electric mode for daily commuting.
With capacitive buttons on the steering wheel most user input is error - so Elon's prediction was a self-fulfilling prophecy.
they're actually real buttons now. much safer than stalks.
@@Sal3600 On the Tesla homepage in the Model 3 2024 owners manual Driving->Steering Wheel is an info-box stating: "Note
Some controls on the steering wheel are capacitive buttons, meaning they do not have a physical switch, but respond to touch and provide haptic feedback (as a vibration). Do not rest your fingers on them unless intended. Unintentionally touching these buttons can enable or disable them. If a button is mistakenly enabled, remove your fingers from the switches for several seconds to resume normal operation."
In the picture above there is no indication that the indicators are real buttons.
@@sandmehlig I have a 2024 tesla model 3 highland. I can confirm there are zero capacitive touch buttons.
Note: I said "now" in my original comment meaning newer models.
@@Sal3600 I wonder why Tesla would not update their Model 3 owner's manual.
@@Sal3600 How are stalks unsafe? I can't wrap my head around that. I can ALWAYS find the stalks with my hand in the dark or while I'm turning hand-over-hand. I can find the buttons in the dark, too, but it's a lot harder to find them when the wheel isn't aligned straight ahead. That said, I don't use the turn signals when I'm already turning, so there's that. With steer-by-wire, as in the CT, I can get used to the buttons. Test drove one last week and didn't have much trouble. Would really like to see SBW in the MY refresh.
Might as well make tires an upgraded option
I hardly ever use my left rear passenger door. Get rid of that
Airbags are used by less than 1% of Tesla drivers. Cost savings!
They should have kept the radar, a vision system cannot see through fog.
Radar has bad resolution and cant make out features of things ahead and cant provide context. Dont run into that car! Oh wait the road turns...Ultimately its the software that decides on courses of action and if the situation and object ahead cant be determined, having the sensor is counter productive. The best solution is to simply drive at a speed that allows for safe actions given the visibility and that can best be achieved by vision alone.
If you can’t see through it drive accordingly. Don’t rely on the systems to do it for you all the time, you are still in control so use the cars tech as a assistant not the solution.
@@alastairhatt360 Well obviously but the cars should see way more than we do and seeing through fog or heavy rain is what sensors would do. But I say forget radar and use FLIR.
Radar is good when moving slow, when going fast there a bunch of problems introduce. Their range resolution, and their accuracy fall off the cliff. It require a lot of processing power to recalibrate for errors. Also to have 2 systems competing and contradicting each other wouldn't be so productive for the Ai while trying to figure how to drive.
@@Tien1million and yet aircraft radar is extremely accurate.
I like the stalks, I like instrument clusters, I like mechanical doors and I like physical gear shifter. why I will never buy a tesla if im looking for an ev
Bye, Felicia. Doubt Tesla cares. Actually, it’s obvious they don’t care, that’s why they removed it?
@@barrybena1336Tesla cared enough to reinstate the stalks
Stalk removal: it's for this reason that I'll be moving on to a BYD Seal as my next EV when I change my Tesla M3.
Same here (tho not that specific car due to lame tariffs). No gear shift stalk is potentially deadly if you're trying to do an emergency turnaround. Most idiotic decision ever by Elon and that's saying a lot. Okay, maybe not the most idiotic, but it's up there.
@@heathclifs8417you have buttons on the roof lol
@@HyperVegitoDBZ nah still have a stalk.
A software update removed defrost for the main screen and buried it under menus. Their excuse was they were cleaning the interface and no one used defrost(in southern California) so they removed it. Digging through menus when one cant see out of the windshield was a bad idea for a company which prioritizes safety. They added it back a few months later (probably after a NHTSA investigation).
press the voice command button and say "turn on rear defroster"
And nobody use turning lights… I supose….
What they remove next… steering wheel? You can drive with touch screen if needed?
They forget that their cars are operated in climates that are different to California or Texas.
The defroster options can be displayed as your favorites on the screen without going to the menu. I also have the wipers as a favorite to access them more easily. In addition, one commenter illustrated these controls can be done via voice commands.
@@Endangered-Barking-Toad Thanks, sometimes it is hard to find the exact phrasing, Grok will be welcomed as it should understand any phrasing. I think voice command requires cell connectivity, they should move it into onboard compute. unfortunately Grok will probably need the cloud.
No stalks, no mobile connector, no radar, no passenger lumbar support, no rear cargo cover, no home link, no buttons…what’s next? 🤔
I’m really surprised there’s no regulation against removing turn signal stalks
No steering wheel, no pedals.
There should be.
our future doesn't look very safe with trump and Elon removing safety regulations to increase the bottom line.
as if you were going to buy fsd package lol. btw it's better than ever without radar.
The one regulation that actually exists is the hazards button had to be an actual button. Otherwise everything else is fair game
It’s NOT OK to remove features from my car after I’ve bought it
All of this.
Not having a rain sensor is my biggest complaint. The wiper in the cybertruck sucks. It often turns on when it's not raining and doesn't turn on when it is raining. Because it's sometimes doesn't turn on when it's raining hard, it's dangerous. I have to constantly press the button to make it wipe once. NHTSA should issue a recall and force Tesla to install rain sensors.
A month ago I leased my 2nd EV. I have stalks, sensors, radar, full time blind spot monitoring, rear cross traffic alert, and all around view camera display, and homelink. My wife's favorite feature, she can open the door with one finger, either hand. Lumbar support for the passenger seat is included. Throw in wireless Apple Carplay, Android Auto, SiriusXM satellite and AM radio.
Yeah, it's not a Tesla.
And it won’t OTA update or last as long or have a battery range last as long or supercharge or give you the future option to self-drive. What a wonderful car you didnt buy
@@BongoWongoOG You are right, it won't self drive like a Tesla with FSD. I do however have access to V3 and V4 superchargers. It does get OTA updates although they are not on the order of Tesla's. One Tesla feature it does not have is Phantom Braking. My first test drive of the 2024 M3 on 2 lane hwy it phantom braked. I have a relative with a 2018 M3 he bought new. He can't use Autopilot because it Phantom Brakes to the point of distraction. He paid for FSD and feels cheated because it never lived up to the promises made at the time. And of course his paid for radar was disabled. My Autopilot function follows the road with adaptive cruise control and automatic speed adjustment if desired. I can correct the steering to go around a pothole without disengagement. Not one instance of phantom braking after 800 miles.
@@samwarren1429I’ve had the 2024 m3p since it released over 4k miles and haven’t had any phantom breaking. I’m pretty sure they fixed it in newer models and software. Also what car did u get, I’m guessing lucid?
@@MrGunner121 2024 Mach-E. Eruption Green, a close color match to our long gone 1967 Dark Moss Green Mustang.
@samwarren1429 I had a Mach E for over a month as a loaner...Even though it was a glitchy mess, I wanted one, but the ongoing high voltage battery junction box issues had me skipping on the purchase. I dont trust Ford to support it in any sort of long term. I do hope I'm wrong for your sake.
Removing features that customers buy because of sparse usage is like removing lifeboats from a cruise ship because they seldom get used. Oh, they tried that once.
Can you spell T-I-T-A-N-I-C?
From someone who has driven a Model 3 Highland for six months the gear shifting on the screen actually isn't much of a problem. It works ok and most of the times (although far from always) it will correctly select the right gear when you get in the car and press the brake pedal. The indicator buttons on the other hand are a nightmare. I still often fail to indicate when I exit smaller roundabouts and it removes my attention from the road every time I have to find the right button while turning the steering wheel. This solution should not be legal. It also drives me nuts when the car suddenly feels the need to take over braking or steering for no apparent reason. And I can't even turn that crap off. By the way Elon Musk has also been a huge source of frustration for me since I bought the car (our second Tesla btw.) so I can confidently say that I'm buying a different brand next time.
The braking issue I have in a 2022 honda CRV as well. Typically when someone is turning off the main road, I have room to pass but the car still brakes. Super frustrating, and im sure in 10 years the software/hardware will be so faulty its going to cause a lot of issues making the car virtually undriveable. Now Tesla does run updates so they might not have the same issues but frustrating none the less.
@@van_alan_folk My 2016 ICE Tiguan exactly the same. It's radar, not visual. And if it rains heavily, I have no auto braking at all.
Gears on a Tesla?
What about Elon ?
Elon only cares about his own opinion, not mine or yours. About cars, about Mars, about education, about marriage and fidelity and what it means to be a good dad, about Ukraine, about Germany, about Democracy....
Agree with you on the indicator stalk… bring it back until self-driving isn’t supervised.
also fix it, the indicator stalks are terrible...i can never tell whether the indicator has engaged.
I traded my 21 MYLR AWD for a 24 MYLR AWD and noticed a number of downgrades on the exact same model vehicle. The audio fidelity was way better on the 21. Also, the acceleration is very noticeably different (slower) on the 24. Even with the acceleration boost upgrade, it is still slower than the stock 21 and the rated Range is 30 miles less. I can't drive 40 miles in the 24 without my back hurting. I never had lower back issues in the 21; seats were way more comfortable and adjustable. Honestly, I miss the ultrasonic sensor accuracy and was hoping to see more benefits and upgrades in the 24, instead, it feels like I down graded going to the 24. At this juncture, I would be happy with any vehicle that had a roof sunglasses holder; even the cheapest vehicles have a dedicated place for sunglasses and garage door openers, not Tesla? Don't even get me started on the horrible auto wipers... Sad.....very sad how Tesla vehicles are going in the wrong direction for features, owner satisfaction and comfort...😌
Calling the single USB port inside the glove box "still pretty good" is ludicrous. That port needs to be dedicated to dashcam/security video storage, which means it's pretty useless for just about anything else. The hoops I had to jump through to get my music collection available at the same time was insane. Plus, the fact that it's inside the closed glove box (with no simple way to open) makes it incredibly inconvenient, especially since the software fails to mount the partition with the music when you start the car about 10% of the time (meaning you have to physically unplug it and plug it back in). I'm still pissed about it two years later.
The car can drive itself but you have to manually wipe.
The new turn signal is an annoyance but the badly working wiper is a major security risk especially for rental cars. This is once again a case where you think that Teslas are created for California weather and large streets but not some cold and foggy countries where turn signals and wipers are of much more importance and streets are smaller.
For me removal of the stalks is the worst and outright dangerous. I had FSD pull out into an intersecton and then abandon driving while cars were coming at me from both sides. Frantically I was trying to shift into reverse so as to get out of there and the shift slider on the screen was having none of it. Here in New England there are lots of quick alternating turns, good luck quickly trying to find the right blinker button as the wheel reorients during this navigation. Has the feel of one of those "brilliant engineer" ideas I've seen so much of in my career.
And then there is the wiper saga ..
Removing stalks is crazy. I would rather have smaller wheels with stalks to make up for the expense of the stalks.
The removal of the stalks was a MAJOR BONEHEAD MOVE. With stalks, I can operate lights and wipers by feel ... now I have to take my eyes off the road to search for the respective steering wheel "buttons" (not really buttons). Now I'll have to resort to the aftermarket to fix this error. Bummer!!! 👎 ☹️ Just to be clear, I do not have "mixed" feelings on this issue. Let us go to FIRST PRINCIPLES. TOUCH SCREEN CONTROLS ARE NOT AN APPROPRIATE CHOICE FOR CONTROLS IN A MOVING VEHICLE!! TACTILELY IDENTIFIABLE PHYSICAL CONTROLS ARE THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE OPTION.!!! On this issue Elon and Franz need to get their heads out of their respective asses and get a clue. Minimalism is the fundamental fatal flaw in Tesla's design ethos. Also, the 3 and Y need to incorporate either the driver oriented instrument panel of the S & X or they need to incorporate a HUD. Period. Full stop. This is not a debate, it is a statement of fact!
Why are you buying a car that can drive for you if you're gonna complain about needing to drive?
I have a plaid and see no value in the stalks. I operate everything just fine with the wheel controls and voice. Plus, I rarely have to even change gears. Stalks ARE NOT needed, and I see that now. Been driving this way for 3 years now.
It’s more fun when you use a car that HAS stalks and switch back and forth. I have a 2017 Nissan Leaf and an M3, and when I switch between the two I find myself instinctively reaching for stuff in the M3 that isn’t there.
What you say is a “statement of fact” is not a statement of fact. Also, “period” and “full stop” are redundant.
In beginning of tesla the need to save $ in production was main reason tesla didn't give sound reduction material / glass/stalks good stereo and ride quality was all sacrificed to sell cheapest possible . Most people want hud and stalks because of years of conditioned driving experience. The only real reason people want tesla is hope of fsd that is not yet complete...less is not more and alot of interior living is. Bad compared to compared 40k car. I truly believe Tesla may 1 day deliver a true autonomous car but has over promised and under delivered for decade or more .
I won’t be buying another Tesla. No stalks, no purchase. Has no one in the company driven outside the US?
New model Y still has blinker stalks
Removal of what is left of muscle memory switches and stalks will prevent me from buying another tesla no matter how much I like the car. Its been a year and a half and 35,000 perfect electric miles but I still miss the controls my BMWs had. Less is better should only go so far and in the case of new Teslas its gone too far.
You gotta use that muscle between your ears.
Are you still driving a stick shift then? That was more of an adjustment for me than the blinker controls.
@@dbradley65 One of my cars yes but thats not even close to the same thing.
using your thumbs is also muscle memory. it's safer too. you dinosaurs are clinging to the past.
@@freddymax5256 Driving should be an enjoyable experience. That depends on the individual, it's not a question of right or wrong. Everyone's brain and body is different. Some people prefer the muscle memory, as it feels good. I would guess that athletic people go for the muscle memory, nerds don't care so much.
Lumbar support does make a huge difference in passenger comfort once it is adjusted. Normally you don't need to change it...
Exactly. How can they say it’s not needed when it’s set and forget. Primary passengers don’t change much but the driver might switch a bit more.
Stalk removal, lack of USS, or at least a 360 camera setup. Even a Bolt EV has 360 cameras and USS in the rear bumper at least.
The stalks are a deal killer for me... use my signals 500 times per day... drive 300 miles per day in the city.. Why should I have a lesser car that is a pain to drive just so Tesla can save a couple bucks.. If there is an aftermarket fix. I would consider it.
In Europe we have a lot of turnarounds!
The stalks are really ”usefull” and essential when there are several turnarounds one after another…
Yeah, I have a 360 camera on my Rivian. It virtually eliminates the need for USS.
When using FSD, you , as a human don't need to use the turn signals as FSD does it for you.
@rickrademacher7522
When FSD can drive 300 miles in the city for 10 hours a day in and out of parking lots picking up passengers you will be correct.. until then I want stalks that I need to use .
What about the Sunroof?
The number of times you said "but removing this was justified because it increased Tesla's margins"... as though that should be a concern of the car-buying public, was a bit alarming.
He has stock holder mind set.
When a company stops listening to its customers, they typically fail. Nobody likes everything in a screen. It's dangerous until full self driving is 99.99 % fail safe. Then you can ditch them, not before.
You forgot one: They removed the outside temperature sensor with the highland model 3. It now relies on weather data.
Really? Ridiculous. The weather can be different 100 yards away.
@@lopezb You two probably are the only ones who need this sensor, for the rest of us it's useless 🤣
@@DeividasRudokaswhat if the internet is down? Redundancy is never a bad thing.
@@MrGunner121 Weather data would still be available for that session
that is really a bad idea.
Love to see them doubling down on stupid design choices. Vehicle ergonomics have been optimized for over a hundred years. Turn signal stalks just do it the best.
If they want to cut costs and improve quality, they should ditch the stupid frameless windows. Frameless windows are a terrible idea in cars where there is no convertible option. They increase costs and offer inferior sealing.
Also, for a car that will supposedly offer unsupervised self-driving in future.... where's the right foot dead-pedal? There's one for the left foot... why not the right?
Finally, at least offer an optional HUD (I think it should be standard).
Oh, and a three-motor option for the 3P please!
AVs and FSD relying solely on images will fail in dazzling sunlight, dense fog, smoke, dust, snow, spray etc.. There has to be a fall-back system in place to avoid cars simply stopping so adding to the hazard. Regulatory authorities will likely look hard at this issue. This has to be addressed by Tesla in the near future, if only for piece of mind of those in the vehicles.
It should be made illegal for a car manufacturer to remove features from a vehicle (software wise) if you purchase with the particular features. If they added, then it’s a different story, but taking away on something you own, is really a form of stealing?
I’ve found that it’s easy to get confused with the turn signals when you have the steering wheel upside down or if you aren’t paying conscious attention. I once made a left turn while inadvertently signaling right at the time.
🙄 that’s a you problem not Tesla bud
For that, you're going to hell.
@@tylerdurden6917No, he makes a good point. Humans are less prone to make a mistake if the turn signal mechanism doesn’t change in positioning. Same thing with the dumb horn button…that could get someone killed. Don’t be defensive based on brand identity. Think critically. Same goes for politics, religion, etc.
@@georgewashington3012 bud I was able to adapt pretty easily, I never once made that same mistake which means it’s a u problem, if I can adapt to it so can u & if u don’t like it then tough
People here have given up signaling completely. Tesla's are pretty hated for that.
They also removed the lights in front bumper Model3.
Left and right button of steering wheel is a bad design as majority of other car makers continue use lever. Creating a frustrating users switching between Tesla and non-Tesla vehicles.
I switch frequently with no issues. But I get it. Imagine moving to another country and you have to adapt to the steering wheel on the wrong side ;)
Just takes a couple weeks to get used to.
No biggie… used to it quickly. Plus, the car does 97% of my driving for me now. 🤷🏻♂️
yea I don't get it. took a drive or two to get used to. and car does most of the driving anyhow. certainly will accelerate in the future.
Can someone explain what was wrong with the turning stalk? It’s the perfect design; intuitive, always in position and doesn’t need to be looked at to operate.
EVs have enough challenges without creating solutions to non-existent problems.
@@snowkie Cost and to be different. I'm not sure which was it, but between Ferrari and Lambo there are some models with buttons too.
Imagine bot having a rain sensor in a modern car. This is a standard feature in 2012 cars.
Re stalk removal.
Turning buttons just bearable but not as good as stalk.
I stuck a luminous dot next to left turning signal ( RHD model ) to reduce confusion when the steering wheel is upside down leaving a roundabout
Gear selection without a stalk is pretty good , especially for automatic forward or reverse selection but in an emergency when you need reverse quickly ( car in front rolling back towards you at traffic lights ) it is much slower.
Access to high and low beam is not as good as a stalk and often requires you to divert your vision from the road.
With stalks the controls are always in the same accessible spot , unlike buttons which change with the movement of the steering wheel. You get used to no stalks , but in many situations it is not as good and is a distraction to safe driving.
Still love my M3 P though.
When an accident happens it always:
-is totally unexpected;
-happens VERY quickly.
Every millisecond counts, and no one has time to look down to a screen....
They should at least offer "standard" and then a "high" regen offering. After driving a Bolt, particularly when engaging the added regen pedal by the blinker stalk, it makes me want more regen in Teslas.
Has anyone had to parallel park while shifting on the screen? Seems like it would be ridiculous. I live in a city. I rapidly shift back and forth from reverse to drive as I slide my car into tight spots. I feel like I would be getting honked at if I had to fumble around on the touch screen.
Yeah, the removal of the radar meant an increase in phantom braking. We don’t use the system anymore it’s so bad.
Tesla's minimalism was attractive but, lately, I find it going too far. The stalks are especially a dealbreaker for me. I can not afford a Tesla, but if I ever come into some money, a Tesla as it is now won't be my choice.
Yes, a lot of elderly people were unable to adapt from dial and push-button landline desk phones because they were unable to figure out how to operate a buttonless smart phone.
@@dvader3263 You don’t need three arms and hands to operate a buttonless smart phone whereas to turn a Tesla’s steering wheel under control according to the Highway Code and be able to indicate at all times you would do. It’s kinda obvious really, trying to make out it’s an age thing, presumably implying your young and can learn quickly is just dumb.
Totally agree. Put the stalks back in Tesla. What a bonehead move.
While I don't like it, no stalks isn't a dealbreaker for me. What is a bigger issue is Elon's childish behavior on social media and now his nose all into politics. A CEO needs to run their company and stop acting like an idiot for the world to see. If he can't focus on Tesla then he needs to let someone else run it.
Euro NCAP have added requirement to get 5 star safety score from 2026 that cars need to have physical buttons for horn, blinkers, whipers, horn and SOS.
Based on pictures on juniper it going to have stalks, I am pretty sure this is also a reason why tesla bringing it back.
removing option for regen braking is safety downgrade. During icy conditions, regen braking with RWD is outright dangerous, causing the rear of the car to be unstable during braking and with in experienced driver can cause the vehicle to spin. Tesla should add some "winter mode" that has regen braking disabled in cold weather conditions.
Or just several options… $10 feature?
@@haukikannel it's literally $0 and 10 seconds for a Software developer to add options for adjusting the regen level.
So, everything what is being removed from a budget Model 3/Y is still staying in premium models S/X?
Just as I predicted a few years back Tesla is turning into just another car company! No more cutting edge innovation making the other companies panic. Nope now its just another exercise in how much can we remove and charge more money for the car! I was on the fence about buying a Tesla but the more I hear about this, plus the crappy service and build quality, the more I say I'll take a hard pass on Tesla.
As an avid gamer, even I think the Steam integration was a ridiculous feature. Very small audience and would be obsolete in a few years unless you were able to upgrade the GPU.
I like my new (to me) 2020 M3. The parts I like least are the ones that Tesla is doubling down on. I want more regen options, not none. I want conventional controls fro lights, wipers and turn signals, and a physical control for shifting. Can't afford physical controls but can afford to put a screen in the back seat that no one will ever use? Hopefully other manufacturers will up their game without mindlessly following Tesla's lead on this stuff. For me, the sum total of these changes would be a deal breaker for me buying a new Tesla.
I'd rather a screen in the back than old people's stalks.
@@Sal3600 You are nuts. The buttons are just plain stupid. Tesla controls are terrible and everyone knows it. Consumer Report summed it up nicely: "It may have spectacular performance, but this car is
an ergonomic nightmare."
Hard to trust FSD with only cameras when the system disables simple things like park assist whenever it rains. All of the FSD demonstrations you see are in full sunlight. I wonder why....
Glad Ii bought my Model Y before the parking sensors were removed. The passenger lumbar isn’t adjusted much, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t used, as my usual passenger (my wife) has it adjusted where she prefers it. I can’t believe we put up with awful automatic wiper function for $1/car cost saving.
"Glad Ii bought my Model Y before the parking sensors were removed."
While you may still have the USS, they are no longer used by the vehicle's software.
As far as the lumbar, most people only need to set it once and then they never fiddle with it again. Of course there are exceptions and cases where different people use the same seat and require different adjustments.
@@jdudleyh My brother bought a sensor less Model Y in 2023. I often drive it. I assure you my software is using the sensors. My car accurately displays the distances as I pull into my garage. His car is surrounded by a swirl of colors and less accurate numbers. What stopped being used by the software is radar.
yes, really Tesla.... $1 fix for the wipers!!!!
Another downgrade: Rear Brembo brakes on Model Y Performance, downgraded in 2023 to Mando brakes with a cheesy cover plate to look performancey.
Model 3 Highland steering now slower and more vague on center.
The removal of stalks, parking sensors and rain sensor were important factors for me to move away from Tesla. Although a cars feature set is always a balancing act for any manufacturer Tesla seems to eager to me to prioritize cost cuts at the expense of the driver experience.
The rain sensor never works in 2024 model Y
Parking sensor removal was stupid!
I just want to say that at present I drive a 2021 Model 3 SR+ and have test driven a refresh Model 3 2024. As of right now, I would not consider "upgrading" to the new trim, for the simple reason that the stalks are gone. I went from driving manual "stick shift" in the UK my whole adult life, to American Auto style stalk shifting on the M3 and the upgrade was incredible; being able to whip into reverse without my hand leaving the wheel was an incredibly nimble feeling way to drive and park - now that this is gone with the new M3 and the soon to be released Juniper Model Y, I just don't think I'll drive any new Teslas, it's completely put me off and yes I have considered all the other amazing features.
Tesla just removed the “Minimize lane change” feature for FSD. This sucks cuz FSD is so aggressive with lane changes, and I almost don’t feel comfortable using FSD now
Why not use Chill mode instead of Standard or Hurry?
I agree. The damn car changes lanes for no reasons and it is really irritating at times.
@@CarlBlackit still wants to change lanes when in Chill.
@@CarlBlack he probably doesn't have FSD v13.
@@Resist4 Minimize Lane Change is still available on FSD v12, so idk what they're talking about.
Good video. How about they add CarPlay? Also, like the early Model S and X cars, add in a driver's console. As for the turn signal stalks, I've yet to see a Tesla use a turn signal. Obviously, they won't be missed.
Worth mentioning the removal of ultrasound sensors (USS). Even on cars that have them, they disabled them via software
I have a Model S from 2018 and the ultrasonic sensors still work.
The ultrasonic sensors on my 2018 Model 3 still work fine.
Maybe mine were disabled because I had FSD? I’ll have to check again
When is it getting the gauge cluster update?
Thats why i bought a hyundai ioniq instead bc of teslas constant downgrades, but a car interior should ALWAYS have physical buttons
The best thing about physical controls is that the manufacturer can't keeping moving them around with every update. They are also more intuitive in my experience, I definitely fumble about more and take my eyes off the road more trying to use display screen controls.
Tesla vision makes FSD unusable with weather >= light mist at highway speeds.
What exactly makes this a luxury vehicle?
I keep waiting for a Tesla that is just a battery on wheels. No cameras, no auto clever stuff, small or no screen, etc.
not happening
Amazing somone pointing out the Downgrades
Its horible tesla Downgrade to keep price low and giving no option to add
A rain sensor would be nice :)
I'm still driving a 2013 VW Golf. It has adjustable passenger lumbar support and a cargo cover. Yes, I use them a lot.
Tesla cutting corners while other manufacturers are stepping up their game.
Another degrade, for cars with indicator stalks, is that when going to "automatic indicator cancellation" they removed the half indicator deflection functionality (where it would flash a few times then stop, versus full deflection where indicator stays on). While not super huge, it is annoying when doing things like merging as you now have to cancel indicators every time (previously you could use the half indicate which would stop after a few flashes). In NZ you spend quite a bit of time merging lanes so the previous functionality was appreciated. BTW I won't be buying one without indicator stalks (watching 3rd party options).
Button turn signal isn't a big deal at all. Just drove it today. It's fine. After 1 day you won't care. Beautiful car, super quiet.
all EVs are quiet
@@tshd4B2ZNWS
Thank you captain obvious.
I was talking about the NVH.. suspension, ride quality, interior quality.. it's all really nice in the new model. It goes over bumps and rough roads with ease and keeps things very quiet inside.
Worst move, in my opinion, is moving to Tesla Vision.
It's just not as good as previously and I'm afraid they won't make "real" FSD happening without additional sensors.
Cost optimisation is more than fine for me, but it seems they are started to save money on the back of their customers...
Of all minor gripes I have with my Y, the windshield wipers suddenly turning on with not a cloud in the sky is the worst. No real world impact it just looks stupid and is annoying. I have to take my eyes off the road and futz around with the screen to turn them off or actually activate them with my left side stalk so that the interface is displayed allowing me to use the thumb wheel to set the wipers to off. Truly a case of high tech being worse than the old tech. I could use voice commands, but I find that works about 1 in every 3 tries, which turns a stupid situation into a Saturday Night Live sketch.
I bought a 2023 M3 with FSD in November of 2022. It did not have the ultrasonic sensors, relying on the improved camera system. The software for the cameras did not arrive by the time I got rid of the car the following March. It was highly disappointing to know that I lost a feature that I would have had if I had got a late 2022, since the price of the car was the same. Elon doesn't understand the human brain. If you piss off the customer enough, the customer might say F you and never return. Of course, he loves to F off everyone, so it doesn't matter to him.
There were other unresolved issues with the car and I learned that have a car-like thing to drive was not as satisfying as having an actual car. My sound system had speakers that weren't connected: you could buy aftermarket harnesses and re-connect them, but again, a 2022 had the wires and the 2023 did not. Completely messed up thinking. But Elon is on drugs and doesn't think like a human being. Hopefully he will have fun on Mars, and as they say, distance lends enchantment. Life is too short to waste on messed up thinking, so I'm gone.
if they only got rid of the glass roof, or made it an upgrade. worst feature in terms of efficiency in the summer and massively uncomfortable. my roof its tinted, insulated, and covered and its still so damn hot from the roof area.
Only caveat is that the glass is a structural part of the car. Take that away, and the cars will have to be completely redesigned for a metal/cf roof.
I lost my love of my 2018 Model 3 when Tesla shrank the map to map the cartoon of the car driving larger. I really felt how little they cared about my safety and sold it within the year.
I know hardcore Tesla fans harp on this guy for what sounds like negative talk. But you're paying the same price for a car that 4 years ago had every feature for the same price that is now gone in the current model(s). If Tesla is saving money in cost cutting features then why shouldn't the buyer see the same in return? Less costs for Tesla should mean less cost for me too, right? But no, it's not the same for the buyer. So yes, some critical feedback should be heard.
@@Diablodelsol the modern cars have more powerful hardware, better cameras, thicker glass, quieter cabins, better stereos, and better fit/finish. They added heated steering wheel, power trunk, better suspension, back seat screen, blind spot led, better screen, better headlights etc etc. fact is, you're getting a lot more for your $ these days, and you lose parking sensors, radar, and stalks. Seems like a fair trade to me to keep the cost down in a time where everything is skyrocketing in price.
There are a lot more market factors involved in pricing (interest rate, inflation, supplier pricing/logistics, ...). Real-time, regional supply and demand is the primary determinist for pricing. Cutting costs can also be to benefit the margin/company.
@@jeremyventurino9481 its also important to note, your losing the hardware, but not the features any of it was capable off, the car still detects objects, the car still parks itself, the car still has indicators obviously.
Honestly I don't see the issue with these changes. I purchased a standard range model 3 in October of 2020, and recently upgraded to the 2025 long range model 3 and as @jeremyventurino9481 said, it's an improvement across the board. Not only that, but the 2025 version was less money out the door despite inflation, though offset by the tax credit which wasn't around in 2020. So not only is it a superior car, but it also has 140 more miles of range for less, which is pretty wild considering the average new car price in the US has increased from 39k in 2020 to 48k this year. If it was the exact same car as it used to be you'd have a point, but the new models 3s are greatly improved.
@@platniumdrThat's true they did add in more power and it's cheaper due to the tax breaks and increased competitiveness of it's rivals overseas.
My question is now that Elon has Trump's right arm will he keep up the tax before or let them be drawn back. Otherwise gas cars look good again
So by how much has the price of the car decreased after all these "savings"? I guess poor Elon needs more money...
Less gimmicks, lower prices. That’s what we need as long as the quality and the reliability is improving.
and lower quality
less gimmicks like ventilated seats and screens in the back? Oh and quality.. right, still rattles everywhere.
Removing Creep mode is bad news for those of us who drive in winter weather. That mode definitely helps the cars remain stable and not slip from starting from a complete stop. Ugh.
Doesn’t help for winter driving with full regen on slippery roads.
Use slip start. It reduces regeneration and softens power delivery
My main problem with Tesla is that now I'm being charged an extra insurance premium for driving to my job at night.
Sometimes Ryan, you appear to excuse Tesla's behavior due to its need to make a bigger profit. We have noticed that you often side with it or minimizes the impact of charges in its 😮products. It's a pattern to look at as Tesla doesn't need a pass when it comes to its failure to meet a customer centered approach.
Thus it does not give an objective point of view. It's getting hard to listen to you as you are more Tesla aligned and not given the customer centered advice or guidance
I wish I could drive a model y with the ultrasonic sensors. Tesla vision really sucks at showing you how close you are to curbs when parking
People in the comments from the Tesla community are exactly what makes it hard to be a proud owner. There is nothing wrong with Ryan posting this video, it is informational and some people may not know.
And to say he has been negative to Tesla is a lie, his channel is mainly based on Tesla content and he has always had a clear bias for Tesla. Which I have never been the most fond of!
You guys are ridiculous.
He’s simply reporting what is. If these people have a problem with Tesla, they should call them…oh, wait. You can’t.
i haven't read a single comment off what you're implying??? you are all wrong about stalks though.
I can see why companies like BYD will continue to have a large market, because most of their cars HAVE proper physical controls and driver facing instruments and not just cumbersome to use screen in the middle of the car.
I love most thing about Tesla, but I will NEVER EVER buy such crap minimalist crap!
I love most thing about Tesla, but I will NEVER EVER buy such crap minimalist crap!
they need to improve in their interior quality. I've already visited Tesla 4 times to fix rattles and noises. It's so frustrating
Removal of the stalk for indicating is dangerous especially when exiting a roundabout. Could you also make it a voice control (indicate left or indicate right)
I’m glad I still have ultrasonic parking sensors but I’m amazed how poor the Tesla parking display is compared to my wife’s BYD Atto 3 which has a superb 360 degree camera system and sensors. This is a much more serious issue than the ability to play video games or making Fart noises. I still love my 2021 Model 3 Long Range and will probably change to a Model Y Long Range when the Juniper refresh is available in the UK if it is as good as the hype is suggesting but there are a few other options to look at now.
Bumper USS absolutely needed to bring Tesla's parking features up to the standards of 15 year old ICE vehicles
I have been using auto park for months now, and my USS is off. It is the best auto-parking system right now, nevermind 15 years ago. My MY is probably my 4th car during the past 15 years, and none of them are close, including the recent BMW X3. Current auto-park works really well!
21:45 minor correction auto pilot speed functionality hasn’t been fully restored, using the radar was able to go 90 mph not 85