Well at least most fans can agree on rings of power was only bad fanfiction and should be ignored as we have the old but superior lord of the rings movies and the books
"We went back to the books for everything even the colour of the armour": yet when this one dude asked them why Galadriel had a Feanorian star on her armour they could not answer. The only thing you could get from the books is that Galadriel hated Feanor. She'd never have dreamed of wearing his symbol.
"the first woman to be a dwarf in Tolkien", I distinctly remember seeing quite a few female dwarfs at the beginning of The Hobbit, I think it was at the beginning of the desolation of Smaug. the beard might have confused them but I think the dress and the boobs would have been a dead giveaway
Yeah, fans were quick to call that one out. Her statement in and of itself is very telling of the whole production's hubris and ignorance. It's clear there wasn't a conversation where people honestly asked and found the answer to the question, have female Dwarves ever been depicted in any Rings media before? and then some intern spent five minutes online to find out. Worse still, it's not like she was put on the spot, like some actor who doesn't know jack about the source material and just says whatever their agent would tell them to say. Nope, she makes a point of proudly proclaiming something, not because it's true but because it fits the narrative she and co. are pushing. She could've said something like, I don't know enough about all that stuff, so maybe female Dwarves have been depicted before, but I'm pretty sure this is the first time in official media there's been a named character who's a female Dwarf, so that's really exciting and a privilege for me... etc. That would've been fine, but it wouldn't serve the narrative as well. Anyway, it's just another wee detail. We were riled up when it first aired and in the run-up with all the fan-bashing, but the show turned out like we expected it would, and even the media stopped shilling to turn around and actually look at it more sincerely. Now, nobody's talking about the next season, and the show is only remembered in postmortems like this video. tl;dr: I ain't even mad.
@@Jeartozer The. Movies. Are. Not. Canon. They were disowned by CRT and the rest of the Tolkien Estate: "“They eviscerated the book by making it an action movie for young people aged 15 to 25,” -- CRT on the LOTR.
This was a combination of the Tolkien being one of the fiercest fandoms, with a lore that has been well established, combined with audiences sick of watching all their favorite franchises go down hill before they knew what was up and now doing their homework ahead of time. Loved being part of the defense. For Tolkien!
Arda, as it has ever done, shall weather this blight upon it's lands. For though Middle Earth bears the many scars of who have sought to undo it, from the lofty heights of Taniquetil, to the deepest pits of Utumno, this too shall pass.
They never tried to appeal to everyone. They just label themselves, the freaks they are, as "normal" and claiming that the rest of the globe is actually like them.
I'd like to say in advance that this is in no way ment disrespectful toward you as a person or a memester. However, in i more disgruntled manner, i must ask. WHEN WILL THE "ITS MORBIN TIME" JOKE END? IT WASN'T FUNNY, AND IT NEVER WILL BE FUNNY! Thank you, and once again, many apologies.
Talking of ethos, I encountered a woman on social media (probably worked for Amazon), who legitimately tried to compare the costume designers on Rings of Power spending a couple of days sewing fabric scales onto rubber armour with the costume designers on the PJ movies, who famously said they spent the better part of two years making indivudual rings for the chain mail *by hand*. She seemed to think the former required as much time and effort as the latter, and should get the same amount of recognition.
It almost doesn't feel like an hour and thirteen minutes. Excellent work Jellyfish! There is certainly a pattern when a studio starts attacking fans for their shoddy products. No, the assholes don't deserve the time of the day, but like. Something attracted fans to the franchise. What exactly is there to gain going tossing it aside and changing things? It's also really funny how that one interview was like "Women. Yes. Black Women." as if "I am no Man" isn't one of the film's most iconic moments.
Thanks mate, I was concerned about pacing. Also - yes, “look how progressive we are” at the cost of the entire fandom. “That’s not criticism, that’s just internet trolls being racist!”
This era of ruin is a serious reason for why I have begun writing my own stories and attempt to create an epic at the scale of such things. For George Lucas, for JRR Tolkien, for Christopher Tolkien, for Robert Jordan, for Sapkowski, for all the kingdoms of myth and story! We must not only hold but retake the land!
The astro turfing by RoP defenders on all the Tolkien subreddits was unreal. These people were coming out of the woodwork to shame those who had negative opinions about the show and explain convoluted reasons why the Rings of Power wasn't actually lore breaking and why all the changes were actually good. Now it's a year after the show's release and most RoP defenders are mysteriously absent and plenty of people are still expressing their negative opinions of the show on Reddit but with little opposition. It just goes to show that the true fans have stuck around but the gaslighting astro turfers trying desperately to convince everyone RoP was any good have moved on... for now.
Thunderstruck was the song they played when we finished our field test for US infantry basic training. It was at the end of a sorta long ruck march, never felt so pumped up in my life hearing that song in the distance
While I do think some people blow this out of proportion - after all Rings of Power wasn't that popular and I think or fear will not be significant in the grant scheme of things - I do appreciate the purity of Tolkien's writing. Here is a guy who mostly wrote this for himself, and Christopher Tolkien did. so much to catalogue and preserve his father's writings even in a state that might not be for the average reader, it's remarkable how genuine and pure this universe seems compared to all other recent franchises. Against that the primarily financially motivated creation of this show, it's such a stark contrast, that most Tolkien fans just have had it 😅 I personally could forgive The Hobbit, because ultimately PJ did a good job with the rushed schedule and studio demands he probably had to work with and Martin Freeman, Richard Armitagr and the dwarves and Bard and most of what was actually in the book was just perfect. 😊
Well put together and voiced! Being fisted with a cactus is less painful then those interviews with the ROP members.. Looking forward to seeing more long form content
Chris really was the best son, protecting his father's legacy well. Not a Wheel of Time fan, but Amazon butchered that franchise too. Fantasy has taken a mighty blow.
Since rings of power has caused more appreciation for the hobbit trilogy, i recommend everyone go find a reedit of the hobbit, theres seceral cuts that remove the unnecessary scenes, a lot of poor cgi, unneeded plot points, etc. And after all the cuts, it does feel like LotR. I always watch a 3 and a half hour cut of the hobbit along with my LotR marathons
I think I've watched like 5 videos on this channel and I literally just now realized that thing around the Jellyfish's tie is a collar. Until now my brain has interpreted the tie as dangling from a toothy, triangular grin, since the collar is located directly on the face in the general location one would expect to find a mouth. I feel dumb.
The comment about the round cart wheels being like the round hobbit doors...is one of the most insane, ridiculous things I've ever heard :) and that's saying much haha. I mean the Harfoots, aside from the fact that this clan of early Hobbits is described as one of the three clans (still in Third Age mostly) others being Fallohides and Stoors, the Harfoots were actually per Tolkien lore THE hole builders :). "Before the crossing of the mountains the Hobbits had already become divided into three somewhat different breeds: Harfoots, Stoors, and Fallohides. The Harfoots were browner of skin, smaller, and shorter, and they were beardless and bootless; their hands and feet were neat and nimble; and they preferred highlands and hillsides. The Stoors were broader, heavier in build; their feet and hands were larger, and they preferred flat lands and riversides. The Fallohides were fairer of skin and also of hair, and they were taller and slimmer than the others; they were lovers of trees and of woodlands. The Harfoots had much to do with Dwarves in ancient times, and long lived in the foothills of the mountains. They moved westward early, and roamed over Eriador as far as Weathertop while the others were still in the Wilderland. They were the most normal and representative variety of Hobbit, and far the most numerous. They were the most inclined to settle in one place, and longest preserved their ancestral habit of living in tunnels and holes." Lotr prologue The Harfoots being "browner of skin" also does not denote African ancestry especially since they would be more rather like the mediterranean-like olive skinned or at best middle eastern for sure as they also in-universe came from the EAST, all the hobbit peoples migrated from the East, the Fallohides were the northern branch so paler of skin and fairer of hair (basically what one would expect) and so on and they were the first to build hobbit holes :). " _Hobbit_ was the name usually applied by the Shire-folk to all their kind. Men called them _Halflings_ and the Elves _Periannath._ The origin of the word _hobbit_ was by most forgotten. It seems, however, to have been at first a name given to the Harfoots by the Fallohides and Stoors, and to be a worn-down form of a word preserved more fully in Rohan: _holbytla_ 'hole-builder'." Lotr appendix F So the Harfoots are "more inclined to settle" so no nomadic cart drivers (err not even drivers...they PULL them without the beasts of burden even haha so stupid :)) BUT they also DIG HOLES TO LIVE IN :) and the holes surprise surprise ARE ROUND :). As for the cultural influences the fragment of Tolkien letter says it best: "I have always with me: the sensibility to linguistic pattern which affects me emotionally like colour or music; and the passionate love of growing things; and the deep response to legends (for lack of a better word) that have what I would call the North-western temper and temperature. In any case if you want to write a tale of this sort you must consult your roots, and a man of the North-west of the Old World will set his heart and the action of his tale in an imaginary world of that air, and that situation: with the Shoreless Sea of his innumerable ancestors to the West, and the endless lands (out of which enemies mostly come) to the East. Though, in addition, his heart may remember, even if he has been cut off from all oral tradition, the rumour all along the coasts of the Men out of the Sea." --Letter to W.H. Auden, 7 June 1955
@@workingjellyfish thing is they more wanted to tell what they wanted, show of THEIR creativity instead of following the established lore, problem is their creativity is rather poor and always will come short when compare it to such giant of worldbuilding, storytelling and creative genius of Tolkien :). Thing is they don't work with their own creative ideas, but artistic vision of someone else and they should just respect it and delve into it deeper to understand the intricacies, but if they wanted to make up stuff of their own...they chose the wrong thing to do...they should have just pitched their own idea of new fantasy world. It's hard to say what the Tolkien experts input they had...the rumors claiming the Shippey was fired may or may not be true but whatever his involvement they clearly didn't care for it, any fan that knows the stuff could point out and do better research than the writers of Amazon it seems :).
you know what I have always wanted to know about Middle Earth and Arda as a whole. whats happening with the people in the east and the south and the people in the frodwaith there are thousands of untold stories and untapped lore just waiting there not to mention the darklands and walls of the sun two entirely different continents
There was this unfinished, fan-made campaign on Neverwinter Nights 2 that is set on the eastern parts of Middle Earth. It was unfinished, but it was better than Rings of Power.
Amazon shill: You're gatekeeping! Tolkien fandom: You shall not pass! Salke really is just terrible as a studio head. Just look into how she spent tens of millions of dollars "contracting" writers and directors for "first pick". Then they just never produced anything at all and she STILL renewed the contract. She spends money hand over fist and is more concerned with status and how she is perceived by the industry than actually producing a product of quality. Buying exclusive rights to an unproven niche film for 150 million dollars is another blunder.
Can't hear the dialogue on that section with Simon Tolkien: and honestly, I think that man is a backstabber. He's now denoucning Jackson and saying he hates his work? He expects us to just forget that he previously worked closely with Jackson on the movies and never said anything to suggest he didn't like the movies before. He also expects us to forget his previous statements: where he said that he believed Tolken's work needed to be changed. If he's distancing himself from Jackson, its purely a cynical ploy to make sure he's on board with Amazon.
Great video sir ! Happy to have stumbled upon your channel! Obviously put a lot of effort and love into this. Hope you get more recognition in this space in the future. All the best to you in 2024 and beyond.
Mr. W. Jellyfish, this is the second work of yours that I have listened to, and it also meets with my general approval. I quite had to laugh at seeing so many other creators that I follow with pleasure referenced, these included but are not limited to, DDay Cobra/Jeremy of Geeks & Gamers, Ryan of RK Outpost, Gary from Nerdrotic, Critical Drinker, and others whose content I have enjoyed but whose names I have forgotten. Surprisingly, with creativity, the barely referenced Second Age might actually contain enough lore for a faithful creator to craft a work of art. I would recommend Tolkien Untangled's treatment of what a more faithful plan could do. This mess, coming so quickly after Rise of Skywalker, found many of us ready to declare our undying enmity against it, so the battle was already uphill. Those fans that had enjoyed Game of Thrones were also angered, and those connected to Marvel or other Disney properties were wary seeing the same tropes appearing in the MCU starting with Captain Marvel. Amazon just happened to choose the one series that might honestly be called "the Nerd Nexus". I was aware of transpiring events because I have long enjoyed reading and practically read Lord of the Rings and Star Wars jointly, and have long followed with interest the developments surrounding them. I knew of and appreciated the work of Christopher Tolkien since my adolescence when I discovered The Book of Lost Tales, and his death was the largest warning that this project was doomed. I am not a prognosticating practitioner of divination, but an ovbserver of systems and people within them, and his death was a harbinger of disaster. As Ian Malcom of Jurassic Park might say, "They did not take into consideration the inherent instability of a complex system." I have introduced my eight year old sister, I am much more advanced in years than she, to The Chronicles of Narnia, following which I intend to enspell her senses with other quality novels and by ten to have her reading Tolkien and the Star Wars EU, a bargain I made with our mother. My apologies for such a lengthy and incoherently meandering comment. So let me summarize briefly: I loved the content and I subscribed after the first video I watched, this being the second.
The main trouble with nerddom is that we had all these cool worlds and heros but we were so desperate to be accepted that we let in all those people who were rejected based on there personality disorders and now they are the vocal minority and us nerds cant speak up about anything because we let the hyenas in
Indeed, to paraphrase Richard Taylor, Amazon did not treat ROP like it was the most important task of their lives - therefore they were not worthy of the task.
It warms my cold dead heart that a fandom can still unite and stand as one against such evil. The kingdom of man is far stronger than Amazon the great estimated.
Its always interesting how Rings of Power fans say "the series stays faithful to Tolkien's themes and tone". Roughly translated, it actually means "the series isn't fauthful to what Tolkien wrote in any way, shape or form but we don't want to say that because Amazon is paying us, and so we say its faithful to these abstract, ill-defined concepts to try and fool people. When we use the word "faithful" people who have not read the books think it sticks close to the books and they won't check out what Tolkien actually said about his themes, so we're ok"
Having this show up in my feed, I have not yet watched it and will do so with some trepidation. NB, I am an unabashed, unapologetic hard-core Tolkien nerd. The kind who agrees with his son about the movies. The kind who goes so far as to read the entire, bleeding History of Middle-Earth, footnotes and all. All 12,000 pages of it (in my complete 3-volume edition apparently made of tissue paper and which needs to be read with the care of an ancient manuscript 🙄). I enjoyed the first movie, was appalled by the second, thought the third mostly followed that ones vein but was somewhat rescued by the well-done ending. The less said about the execrable Hobbit movies, the better. Corporate Hollywood indeed. To me, Jackson laid the ground work of abomination that Amazon then went to build on. I'll almost certainly never watch the ROP series. Will I need strong drink to watch your video? I'm already hung over from an Aussie Day part. Sorry, do I now have to say "invasion day"? I can't keep up. PS: the irony of showing Hollywood's version of the Battle of Midway, where we see a squadron of B-26, rather than the actual 4, is delicious. PPS: I also once worked for the Evil Empire (Amazon/AWS, not Hollywood!), before I escaped that hell-hole, so I'm really not charitably inclined towards that mob, feel free to consider me biased there as well. PPPS: now watching it, so disappointed to see mega-nerd Colbert being part of the shill panel. He could have been an advisor who knows both Tolkien and been able to navigate Hollywood. The knee-jerk calling fans evil and, of course, racist, is laughable for a work that, as you pointed out several times, is a global phenomenon translated into 38 languages. Just looking at that list shows TRUE diversity, not virtue signalling: among them Arabic, Bengali, Hebrew, Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Turkish. Though I would concede a definite dearth of African languages. PPPPS: done now, an amazing piece of work and research. Hat off to you! But for some reason, my brain is in frozen orbit around one fact you mentioned almost in passing: they never even licensed the works that actually provide significant info on the Second Age? Not the Silmarillion, not Unfinished Tales? Why not?! Are these people insane? With the name given to the series, I had foolishly presumed they would have use the last chapter in the S. at the very least, despite massively diverting. Not even having that source material is just beyond ludicrous.
Not gonna lie, i mostly comment to make you some engagement for the algorithm, but anyway, really nice video mate, already watched it a few times since it released !
I'm actually not allowed to review anything on Amazon anymore because I reviewed Rings of Power after watching the first Episode and didn't give it a good review because....I just couldn't....I just...For someone who likes writing/characterization/storytelling/Tolkien....I just couldn't. Trying to adapt a work from years ago to match with the current age shouldn't happen regardless of how we feel. Taking a look back is important, critical look at works is also important. New work for modern times is important but adapting OLD stories for the new age is lazy and annoying.
7:37 the point about how LotR has been translated numerous times and widely circulated around the world, becoming the most popular book series aside from the bible, was a great one. 0bviously, it could only have done so if it already appealed to the widest and most diverse audience possible.
@1:51 Yes true, but I fear that Bezos is committed to The Desolation of Tolkien, but it seems the fandom is prepared to wage The Battle of the Five Seasons to the bitter end.
@@workingjellyfishArtistically this thing is as rancid as they come, I certainly hope it doesn't make it past its second. But, I was merely trying to make the joke/analogy work. lol
Bucket list item checked: a LotR video with an Event Horizon clip includeing several Friday Night Tights crew references. That's a tough one to get! Cheers!
Off topic but related, the biggest problem with the hobbit trilogy, at least for me, is twofold: overuse of cgi, and the bloated story. The book is only 300 pages, not anywhere close to enough to stretch to a trilogy. A lot of stuff was added that didn't need to be there, but the story from the book is still there. Which is lucky, because you can cut almost all of the added fluff and poor cgi out of the film, and have an actual decent movie. There's several recuts of the hobbit that cuts the three films down to a single 3-4 hour movie, and I actually deem that recut good enough to include in my LotR marathons
Love the attention to detail, you can see this trainwreck at all its glory. Like any beloved idea, they cant take the original away from us. For Tolkien.
Thank you, this was my first hour long video and gave birth to one of my channel's defining principles: the video takes as long as the subject demands. Tolkien's work is important, and it deserved the best I could give it.
Nice video man! At first I saw 3mil subscribes and wondered how I have not come across this amazing channel before. 😅 I have watched couple of these videos and like them a lot. Subscribed! They obviously do not owe me anything, and they can do whatever the fuck they want (within limitations of what they payed for ofc) but man I felt so betrayed, and still do. I remember when I first heard the rumors of something new being made. First thought was huge excitement and half a second later fear and dread. I remembered in what world we live in and how they do things these days. I am still waiting for someone to come out and say it was all a joke fellas . . . I mean it indeed was a joke . . .
@workingjellyfish thanks! I can't say I was a HALO fan since I've never played it but as a gamer I was more than aware of it and was looking forward to seeing the series. Unfortunately it was horrible. I didn't even finish it. I mean it was obvious even without the opinions of the fans themselves.
I personally liked the show but yes, it was a shameless cash grab. I disliked how the did Galadriel, made the elves have short hair, how Elrond was just this immature fool, and how they seemed to just try to fit too much into one show. I don’t mind that they used POC, but I hate when they just tried to fill a quota. It is a disservice to Marginalized peoples when you just check a box and they are given half-assed roles, it fails them too.
I could not agree more with your comments about IP's being bought and paid for and not earnt. This is why I am so concerned about the adaption of one of my favourite fandoms, 40K. I just hope Cavill is allowed to keep his manhood intact. But you know, in this kiwi's point of view, it's no longer about the story, it's about what ever political bollocks modern hollywood wants to jam into it. I hate modern media because of that crap!
Amazon: "Tolkien's works are about people coming together"- Tolkien himself in Letter 131 where Tolkien wrote about the Second Age "the theme of his part of the story is fall, corruption and the machine". Of course that is a paraphrase, but its adequate to show that what Tolkien said about the themes and meanings of his work is greatly at odds with what Amazon said.
Liked the Hobbit myself guys. Is it lore trilogy good? No, but for what it is. I like it. It's underrated imo. Hot take I'm sure... But rings of power. Well 🤮
Thanks, mate. LOTR is incredibly important, not only in film but also in the literary canon. I wanted to make sure I did the source material justice with this video.
I am what you can call "a casual fan". I love the LOTR books and the movies, but I didn't read Silmarillion and other Tolkien works, and I don't even conside Tolkien my favourite wrighter (this title goes to H.P.Lovecraft and C.A.Smith), but I absolutely detest and despice "Rings of power", forced "diversity" and "modernisation" of old works of art in general. BTW all this "diverse cast" doesn't represent the modern world, it only represents modern USA (and I suspect - not even the whole USA) I stand with purists! Gatekeep, bothers and sisters, this is the only way!
They want diversity in color and not diversity in thought. Big difference and it doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive. Mainstream treats it like they are.
LOVE how woman never buy into women owned buisnesses...The exclusionary (By their assumption) versions have attracted male and female's alike, yet female created content rarely attractes either, aside from the Man/Woman/Race haters...
True empowerment: "No man can kill me!" *Rips off helmet* "I'm no man!" False empowerment: I'm a tomboy, respect me!!!! According to modern hollywood never existed. I can relate with any man, REGARDLESS of skin color, you know who i can't relate with...women...despite being raised by a single mother with a sister...Father NOWHERE to be found, yet i relate MORe to men than I do to the sex that raised me...hmmm...
The more and more i watch about how the rings of power qas periecved and fought against by the fans, the more I start to think I was just alone in my fight against the bullshit disney did to starwars. It almost felt like being surrounded, out gunned, and out numbered, but still upholding my lightsaber. I was Ima gun di, and they were the droid army. How and why this happened but the lord of the rings fans wouldn't allow it to happen to their franchise completely baffles me. Me watching this happen felt like being a war veteran entering a brand new war but being put in a logistics position, encouraging those about to go off into battle that the fight is in fact worth it. There were some like myself in the starwars community, but none were so untied againat the drivel. I told anyone in the internet i cane across, "not to let it happen to them, don't let them ruin it for you." And i cheered as i aaw WAVES of people destorying the absolute crap that was the rings of power. But i also felt, and atill feel, sadned by auch unity, i could not find this kind of comradery in my own community, we were divided against ourselves, and so we fell despite out best efforts. And now? Im just tired. Which is where i assumed eveyone else went when it felt as if i was alone and surrounded, they were simply tited of the fight, that had to be it. Now, however, im uncertain. In any case, i emplore fans everywhere to stand up for what you like, stand up for your franchise and it's creative direction. Dont let them corrupt it. Don't let them win. And don't faulter. Once, i was so desperate for good starwars i had convinced myself that rushed and sub par content was good. That kenobi was actually a good series. Dont let desperation feed these monsters. Kenobi had good moments, but they were over shadowed by idiocy, and i was too blind to see it until it was too late.
What was hilarious to me was the trailers and interviews. The only thing that was shown and talked about was the diversity and wokeness... instead of the show, story, character moments and the "passion and dedication" it would've took to make it.
That's the problem. The show didn't touch us at all!!!! I do remember wondering when I was going to see anything to do with Tolkiens story. What we got was so poorly written and cobbled together. I don't see where that billion dollars went? Jackson should've been a part of this.
Its shame modern media has To Carry a Message based on The World Today rather than Be creative with The source material. In The mess that is TROP There is Good stuff In The Series its a shame that Overalli its wrong. If it Was edited diffrently it would Be less shit but still Bad. They needed The rights To The silmerilian And unfinisded tales. The appendces In the LOTR is Not enough To cover the 2nd Age
I just stumbled on your channel but absolutely agree and I may be a bit of a casual but what Amazon has done no true fan of tolkin or peter Jackson can sit idle for as long as this show runs we shall be the bastion that holds back the filth they spew forth so at last all I can say is FOR TOLKIN!!
Well at least most fans can agree on rings of power was only bad fanfiction and should be ignored as we have the old but superior lord of the rings movies and the books
Agreed, ROP just makes the Jackson Films shine all the more.
Not only fans can agree, but all people who love cinema and/ or movies. This series is unbelievable bad writing, not even in the perspective of a fan.
@@workingjellyfish great use of Midway footage in you video
"We went back to the books for everything even the colour of the armour": yet when this one dude asked them why Galadriel had a Feanorian star on her armour they could not answer.
The only thing you could get from the books is that Galadriel hated Feanor. She'd never have dreamed of wearing his symbol.
"the first woman to be a dwarf in Tolkien", I distinctly remember seeing quite a few female dwarfs at the beginning of The Hobbit, I think it was at the beginning of the desolation of Smaug. the beard might have confused them but I think the dress and the boobs would have been a dead giveaway
Are you assumeing there's gender!? Blasmephy of the highest order!
Yeah, fans were quick to call that one out. Her statement in and of itself is very telling of the whole production's hubris and ignorance.
It's clear there wasn't a conversation where people honestly asked and found the answer to the question, have female Dwarves ever been depicted in any Rings media before? and then some intern spent five minutes online to find out. Worse still, it's not like she was put on the spot, like some actor who doesn't know jack about the source material and just says whatever their agent would tell them to say. Nope, she makes a point of proudly proclaiming something, not because it's true but because it fits the narrative she and co. are pushing.
She could've said something like, I don't know enough about all that stuff, so maybe female Dwarves have been depicted before, but I'm pretty sure this is the first time in official media there's been a named character who's a female Dwarf, so that's really exciting and a privilege for me... etc. That would've been fine, but it wouldn't serve the narrative as well.
Anyway, it's just another wee detail. We were riled up when it first aired and in the run-up with all the fan-bashing, but the show turned out like we expected it would, and even the media stopped shilling to turn around and actually look at it more sincerely. Now, nobody's talking about the next season, and the show is only remembered in postmortems like this video.
tl;dr: I ain't even mad.
Gimli even in the Jackson trillogy mentions them, so.... yeah... but lets forget actuall canon and focus on the thrill of being "the first"
@@Jeartozer The. Movies. Are. Not. Canon. They were disowned by CRT and the rest of the Tolkien Estate: "“They eviscerated the book by making it an action movie for young people aged 15 to 25,” -- CRT on the LOTR.
@@michaelhoffmann2891 so female dwarves dont exist cos they wernt mentioned in the Trillogy, got it
_"The lore was dear to thee, I see. Know that it suffered greatly at the hands of its host."_
This was a combination of the Tolkien being one of the fiercest fandoms, with a lore that has been well established, combined with audiences sick of watching all their favorite franchises go down hill before they knew what was up and now doing their homework ahead of time. Loved being part of the defense. For Tolkien!
For Tolkien.
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I'm doing my part! Baruk Khazad ! KHAZAD AI MENU !
I never thought i would fight besides a causal Fan but I'm happy to call you a friend
excellent synopsis of this disaster
For Tolkien.
for Tolkein
For Gondor
United we stand, diverse, I mean, divided, yes, divided. Divided we fall
Arda, as it has ever done, shall weather this blight upon it's lands.
For though Middle Earth bears the many scars of who have sought to undo it,
from the lofty heights of Taniquetil, to the deepest pits of Utumno,
this too shall pass.
The great lesson of 'modern' story telling is, if you try to appeal to everyone you end up appealing to no one.
They never tried to appeal to everyone. They just label themselves, the freaks they are, as "normal" and claiming that the rest of the globe is actually like them.
No, the great lesson of "modern" story telling is that its evil, can't create of anything new and just corrupts that which is good.
I loved the part in Rings of Power where Galadriel said “It’s morbin’ time” and then morbed all over Sauron. Truly epic.
I'd like to say in advance that this is in no way ment disrespectful toward you as a person or a memester. However, in i more disgruntled manner, i must ask.
WHEN WILL THE "ITS MORBIN TIME" JOKE END? IT WASN'T FUNNY, AND IT NEVER WILL BE FUNNY!
Thank you, and once again, many apologies.
@@blackopskiller1996 It will never end. that meme and it's variations will last until the end of time.
For Tolkien
For Tolkien
There's a theory that Rings of Power Galadriel is a self-insert of Jennifer Salke. Honestly, I think there's something in it.
@@zogwort1522 No, she just seems like the type who would want herself put in.
Talking of ethos, I encountered a woman on social media (probably worked for Amazon), who legitimately tried to compare the costume designers on Rings of Power spending a couple of days sewing fabric scales onto rubber armour with the costume designers on the PJ movies, who famously said they spent the better part of two years making indivudual rings for the chain mail *by hand*. She seemed to think the former required as much time and effort as the latter, and should get the same amount of recognition.
In all fairness to Rings of Power, it has provided my friends countless hours of speculating if and how it could've been worse.
It almost doesn't feel like an hour and thirteen minutes. Excellent work Jellyfish!
There is certainly a pattern when a studio starts attacking fans for their shoddy products. No, the assholes don't deserve the time of the day, but like. Something attracted fans to the franchise. What exactly is there to gain going tossing it aside and changing things?
It's also really funny how that one interview was like "Women. Yes. Black Women." as if "I am no Man" isn't one of the film's most iconic moments.
Thanks mate, I was concerned about pacing.
Also - yes, “look how progressive we are” at the cost of the entire fandom. “That’s not criticism, that’s just internet trolls being racist!”
I didn't even bit torrent watch it. Not a single episode.
This era of ruin is a serious reason for why I have begun writing my own stories and attempt to create an epic at the scale of such things.
For George Lucas, for JRR Tolkien, for Christopher Tolkien, for Robert Jordan, for Sapkowski, for all the kingdoms of myth and story! We must not only hold but retake the land!
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“I never thought I’d die fighting side by side with a casual”
“What about side by side with a friend?”
“Aye, I could do that.”
The astro turfing by RoP defenders on all the Tolkien subreddits was unreal. These people were coming out of the woodwork to shame those who had negative opinions about the show and explain convoluted reasons why the Rings of Power wasn't actually lore breaking and why all the changes were actually good.
Now it's a year after the show's release and most RoP defenders are mysteriously absent and plenty of people are still expressing their negative opinions of the show on Reddit but with little opposition. It just goes to show that the true fans have stuck around but the gaslighting astro turfers trying desperately to convince everyone RoP was any good have moved on... for now.
Don't worry, they'll ramp up around S2.
@Olivia-W Yeah, just around the time, it comes back into the focus of media outlets and then to disappear again once the focus is gone.
My heart sank when I heard Tom Shippey was out of the RoP .
Especially when the reports were he was unhappy with the adherence to Tolkien’s lore.
@@workingjellyfish yes, exactly. I knew it would be bad.
Holy crap this is so well done, a clear time-line of the making of this mess. Thank you so much, I wish I'd found this sooner.
Thanks for drifting by.
My favorite part from Lord of Ring: Ring Power was when Galadriel said "it's Elf time" and elf'd all over Sauron.
If Bezos is a Tolkien fan, I'm a ninja turtle
Farout man, this is amazing! This is Mauler or the Little Platoon tier quality. Loving these long form videos you've done so far, keep it up!
Thunderstruck was the song they played when we finished our field test for US infantry basic training.
It was at the end of a sorta long ruck march, never felt so pumped up in my life hearing that song in the distance
While I do think some people blow this out of proportion - after all Rings of Power wasn't that popular and I think or fear will not be significant in the grant scheme of things - I do appreciate the purity of Tolkien's writing. Here is a guy who mostly wrote this for himself, and Christopher Tolkien did. so much to catalogue and preserve his father's writings even in a state that might not be for the average reader, it's remarkable how genuine and pure this universe seems compared to all other recent franchises. Against that the primarily financially motivated creation of this show, it's such a stark contrast, that most Tolkien fans just have had it 😅
I personally could forgive The Hobbit, because ultimately PJ did a good job with the rushed schedule and studio demands he probably had to work with and Martin Freeman, Richard Armitagr and the dwarves and Bard and most of what was actually in the book was just perfect. 😊
That montage was pure genius.
Thank you.
The "road so far" bit with supernatural was great
Well put together and voiced!
Being fisted with a cactus is less painful then those interviews with the ROP members..
Looking forward to seeing more long form content
Chris really was the best son, protecting his father's legacy well.
Not a Wheel of Time fan, but Amazon butchered that franchise too.
Fantasy has taken a mighty blow.
I got led here by RandomFilmTalks' Discord Server and hey, that was a good summary and a neat video. Well done =)
Thanks mate.
I loved the part in rings of Power where Tom Bombadil deleted the entire series from my memory
Since rings of power has caused more appreciation for the hobbit trilogy, i recommend everyone go find a reedit of the hobbit, theres seceral cuts that remove the unnecessary scenes, a lot of poor cgi, unneeded plot points, etc. And after all the cuts, it does feel like LotR. I always watch a 3 and a half hour cut of the hobbit along with my LotR marathons
I think I've watched like 5 videos on this channel and I literally just now realized that thing around the Jellyfish's tie is a collar. Until now my brain has interpreted the tie as dangling from a toothy, triangular grin, since the collar is located directly on the face in the general location one would expect to find a mouth. I feel dumb.
Don’t stress mate, a few people have drawn the same conclusion. It is indeed a tie, but perhaps I could tweak the design.
The comment about the round cart wheels being like the round hobbit doors...is one of the most insane, ridiculous things I've ever heard :) and that's saying much haha. I mean the Harfoots, aside from the fact that this clan of early Hobbits is described as one of the three clans (still in Third Age mostly) others being Fallohides and Stoors, the Harfoots were actually per Tolkien lore THE hole builders :).
"Before the crossing of the mountains the Hobbits had already become divided into three somewhat different breeds: Harfoots, Stoors, and Fallohides. The Harfoots were browner of skin, smaller, and shorter, and they were beardless and bootless; their hands and feet were neat and nimble; and they preferred highlands and hillsides. The Stoors were broader, heavier in build; their feet and hands were larger, and they preferred flat lands and riversides. The Fallohides were fairer of skin and also of hair, and they were taller and slimmer than the others; they were lovers of trees and of woodlands.
The Harfoots had much to do with Dwarves in ancient times, and long lived in the foothills of the mountains. They moved westward early, and roamed over Eriador as far as Weathertop while the others were still in the Wilderland. They were the most normal and representative variety of Hobbit, and far the most numerous. They were the most inclined to settle in one place, and longest preserved their ancestral habit of living in tunnels and holes." Lotr prologue
The Harfoots being "browner of skin" also does not denote African ancestry especially since they would be more rather like the mediterranean-like olive skinned or at best middle eastern for sure as they also in-universe came from the EAST, all the hobbit peoples migrated from the East, the Fallohides were the northern branch so paler of skin and fairer of hair (basically what one would expect) and so on and they were the first to build hobbit holes :).
" _Hobbit_ was the name usually applied by the Shire-folk to all their kind. Men called them _Halflings_ and the Elves _Periannath._ The origin of the word _hobbit_ was by most forgotten. It seems, however, to have been at first a name given to the Harfoots by the Fallohides and Stoors, and to be a worn-down form of a word preserved more fully in Rohan: _holbytla_ 'hole-builder'." Lotr appendix F
So the Harfoots are "more inclined to settle" so no nomadic cart drivers (err not even drivers...they PULL them without the beasts of burden even haha so stupid :)) BUT they also DIG HOLES TO LIVE IN :) and the holes surprise surprise ARE ROUND :).
As for the cultural influences the fragment of Tolkien letter says it best:
"I have always with me: the sensibility to linguistic pattern which affects me emotionally like colour or music; and the passionate love of growing things; and the deep response to legends (for lack of a better word) that have what I would call the North-western temper and temperature. In any case if you want to write a tale of this sort you must consult your roots, and a man of the North-west of the Old World will set his heart and the action of his tale in an imaginary world of that air, and that situation: with the Shoreless Sea of his innumerable ancestors to the West, and the endless lands (out of which enemies mostly come) to the East. Though, in addition, his heart may remember, even if he has been cut off from all oral tradition, the rumour all along the coasts of the Men out of the Sea."
--Letter to W.H. Auden, 7 June 1955
If only Amazon had conducted similar research.
@@workingjellyfish thing is they more wanted to tell what they wanted, show of THEIR creativity instead of following the established lore, problem is their creativity is rather poor and always will come short when compare it to such giant of worldbuilding, storytelling and creative genius of Tolkien :). Thing is they don't work with their own creative ideas, but artistic vision of someone else and they should just respect it and delve into it deeper to understand the intricacies, but if they wanted to make up stuff of their own...they chose the wrong thing to do...they should have just pitched their own idea of new fantasy world. It's hard to say what the Tolkien experts input they had...the rumors claiming the Shippey was fired may or may not be true but whatever his involvement they clearly didn't care for it, any fan that knows the stuff could point out and do better research than the writers of Amazon it seems :).
I can’t believe I only just found this video! Bravo, Mr. Jellyfish Man!
you know what I have always wanted to know about Middle Earth and Arda as a whole. whats happening with the people in the east and the south and the people in the frodwaith there are thousands of untold stories and untapped lore just waiting there not to mention the darklands and walls of the sun two entirely different continents
Better to let the deep lore fans make something of it rather than a greedy, lack luster company taint those possibilities
There was this unfinished, fan-made campaign on Neverwinter Nights 2 that is set on the eastern parts of Middle Earth. It was unfinished, but it was better than Rings of Power.
Love the channel broski! Happy the algorithm allowed me to stumble upon it finally… More content please
Welcome to the sheltered harbour, mate. New content is in the pipeline.
Amazon shill: You're gatekeeping!
Tolkien fandom: You shall not pass!
Salke really is just terrible as a studio head. Just look into how she spent tens of millions of dollars "contracting" writers and directors for "first pick". Then they just never produced anything at all and she STILL renewed the contract.
She spends money hand over fist and is more concerned with status and how she is perceived by the industry than actually producing a product of quality.
Buying exclusive rights to an unproven niche film for 150 million dollars is another blunder.
Considering many of those shills are trans, that's super effective!
Good work my dude. Can't believe this has less than 2k views at the time I watched this. You've earned much more than that.
Thanks for your support mate. The views will come in time.
Can't hear the dialogue on that section with Simon Tolkien: and honestly, I think that man is a backstabber. He's now denoucning Jackson and saying he hates his work? He expects us to just forget that he previously worked closely with Jackson on the movies and never said anything to suggest he didn't like the movies before. He also expects us to forget his previous statements: where he said that he believed Tolken's work needed to be changed.
If he's distancing himself from Jackson, its purely a cynical ploy to make sure he's on board with Amazon.
Great video sir ! Happy to have stumbled upon your channel! Obviously put a lot of effort and love into this. Hope you get more recognition in this space in the future. All the best to you in 2024 and beyond.
Mr. W. Jellyfish, this is the second work of yours that I have listened to, and it also meets with my general approval. I quite had to laugh at seeing so many other creators that I follow with pleasure referenced, these included but are not limited to, DDay Cobra/Jeremy of Geeks & Gamers, Ryan of RK Outpost, Gary from Nerdrotic, Critical Drinker, and others whose content I have enjoyed but whose names I have forgotten.
Surprisingly, with creativity, the barely referenced Second Age might actually contain enough lore for a faithful creator to craft a work of art. I would recommend Tolkien Untangled's treatment of what a more faithful plan could do.
This mess, coming so quickly after Rise of Skywalker, found many of us ready to declare our undying enmity against it, so the battle was already uphill. Those fans that had enjoyed Game of Thrones were also angered, and those connected to Marvel or other Disney properties were wary seeing the same tropes appearing in the MCU starting with Captain Marvel. Amazon just happened to choose the one series that might honestly be called "the Nerd Nexus".
I was aware of transpiring events because I have long enjoyed reading and practically read Lord of the Rings and Star Wars jointly, and have long followed with interest the developments surrounding them.
I knew of and appreciated the work of Christopher Tolkien since my adolescence when I discovered The Book of Lost Tales, and his death was the largest warning that this project was doomed. I am not a prognosticating practitioner of divination, but an ovbserver of systems and people within them, and his death was a harbinger of disaster. As Ian Malcom of Jurassic Park might say, "They did not take into consideration the inherent instability of a complex system."
I have introduced my eight year old sister, I am much more advanced in years than she, to The Chronicles of Narnia, following which I intend to enspell her senses with other quality novels and by ten to have her reading Tolkien and the Star Wars EU, a bargain I made with our mother.
My apologies for such a lengthy and incoherently meandering comment. So let me summarize briefly: I loved the content and I subscribed after the first video I watched, this being the second.
Thanks for the sub, mate. I’m glad you’re enjoying your time in the sheltered harbour.
The main trouble with nerddom is that we had all these cool worlds and heros but we were so desperate to be accepted that we let in all those people who were rejected based on there personality disorders and now they are the vocal minority and us nerds cant speak up about anything because we let the hyenas in
Throughout the whole thing is the unmistakable touch of amateurism.
Indeed, to paraphrase Richard Taylor, Amazon did not treat ROP like it was the most important task of their lives - therefore they were not worthy of the task.
It warms my cold dead heart that a fandom can still unite and stand as one against such evil. The kingdom of man is far stronger than Amazon the great estimated.
"There is a tempest in me" will never not make me laugh....
Teenage-level writing. Like 13 years old.
Well made and well said, you deserve more subs, just found the channel yesterday and I look forward to seeing it grow, good luck mate.
Thanks mate.
Its always interesting how Rings of Power fans say "the series stays faithful to Tolkien's themes and tone". Roughly translated, it actually means "the series isn't fauthful to what Tolkien wrote in any way, shape or form but we don't want to say that because Amazon is paying us, and so we say its faithful to these abstract, ill-defined concepts to try and fool people. When we use the word "faithful" people who have not read the books think it sticks close to the books and they won't check out what Tolkien actually said about his themes, so we're ok"
Having this show up in my feed, I have not yet watched it and will do so with some trepidation. NB, I am an unabashed, unapologetic hard-core Tolkien nerd. The kind who agrees with his son about the movies. The kind who goes so far as to read the entire, bleeding History of Middle-Earth, footnotes and all. All 12,000 pages of it (in my complete 3-volume edition apparently made of tissue paper and which needs to be read with the care of an ancient manuscript 🙄). I enjoyed the first movie, was appalled by the second, thought the third mostly followed that ones vein but was somewhat rescued by the well-done ending. The less said about the execrable Hobbit movies, the better. Corporate Hollywood indeed. To me, Jackson laid the ground work of abomination that Amazon then went to build on. I'll almost certainly never watch the ROP series. Will I need strong drink to watch your video? I'm already hung over from an Aussie Day part. Sorry, do I now have to say "invasion day"? I can't keep up.
PS: the irony of showing Hollywood's version of the Battle of Midway, where we see a squadron of B-26, rather than the actual 4, is delicious.
PPS: I also once worked for the Evil Empire (Amazon/AWS, not Hollywood!), before I escaped that hell-hole, so I'm really not charitably inclined towards that mob, feel free to consider me biased there as well.
PPPS: now watching it, so disappointed to see mega-nerd Colbert being part of the shill panel. He could have been an advisor who knows both Tolkien and been able to navigate Hollywood. The knee-jerk calling fans evil and, of course, racist, is laughable for a work that, as you pointed out several times, is a global phenomenon translated into 38 languages. Just looking at that list shows TRUE diversity, not virtue signalling: among them Arabic, Bengali, Hebrew, Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Turkish. Though I would concede a definite dearth of African languages.
PPPPS: done now, an amazing piece of work and research. Hat off to you! But for some reason, my brain is in frozen orbit around one fact you mentioned almost in passing: they never even licensed the works that actually provide significant info on the Second Age? Not the Silmarillion, not Unfinished Tales? Why not?! Are these people insane? With the name given to the series, I had foolishly presumed they would have use the last chapter in the S. at the very least, despite massively diverting. Not even having that source material is just beyond ludicrous.
This is hands down the best synopsis of where it all went wrong
What an appalling failure
“There is no curse in Elvish, Entish or the tongues of Men for this treachery”
Oh wow, this video came out on my birthday last year!
I’m a bit late, but Happy Birthday 🥳 🐙
Not gonna lie, i mostly comment to make you some engagement for the algorithm, but anyway, really nice video mate, already watched it a few times since it released !
Thank you - I’m glad you’re enjoying my work. 🐙
my god man. Your essays and movie quote commentary is absolutely brilliant.
Thanks mate. I aim to please.
I'm actually not allowed to review anything on Amazon anymore because I reviewed Rings of Power after watching the first Episode and didn't give it a good review because....I just couldn't....I just...For someone who likes writing/characterization/storytelling/Tolkien....I just couldn't. Trying to adapt a work from years ago to match with the current age shouldn't happen regardless of how we feel. Taking a look back is important, critical look at works is also important. New work for modern times is important but adapting OLD stories for the new age is lazy and annoying.
7:37 the point about how LotR has been translated numerous times and widely circulated around the world, becoming the most popular book series aside from the bible, was a great one. 0bviously, it could only have done so if it already appealed to the widest and most diverse audience possible.
@1:51 Yes true, but I fear that Bezos is committed to The Desolation of Tolkien, but it seems the fandom is prepared to wage The Battle of the Five Seasons to the bitter end.
Financially yes, but given the failure of season 1, I doubt they’ll get 5 seasons.
@@workingjellyfishArtistically this thing is as rancid as they come, I certainly hope it doesn't make it past its second. But, I was merely trying to make the joke/analogy work. lol
Bucket list item checked: a LotR video with an Event Horizon clip includeing several Friday Night Tights crew references. That's a tough one to get! Cheers!
I thought that was an Event horizon clip.
I was playing a game and the Gandalf deepfake made me do a double take. Actually, had to rewind that one.
Damn you deserve so many more views. I was really entertained here. Thank you!
Thank you, the views will arrive exactly when they mean to. *laughs in Gandalf*
Off topic but related, the biggest problem with the hobbit trilogy, at least for me, is twofold: overuse of cgi, and the bloated story. The book is only 300 pages, not anywhere close to enough to stretch to a trilogy. A lot of stuff was added that didn't need to be there, but the story from the book is still there. Which is lucky, because you can cut almost all of the added fluff and poor cgi out of the film, and have an actual decent movie. There's several recuts of the hobbit that cuts the three films down to a single 3-4 hour movie, and I actually deem that recut good enough to include in my LotR marathons
"Evil does not sleep, it only waits"
Did she really just steal a Chuck Norris joke?
33:48 This is the first time I've seen this clip... I feel a great sense of revulsion and horror.
How could I have missed this video?
Merci.
Love the attention to detail, you can see this trainwreck at all its glory. Like any beloved idea, they cant take the original away from us. For Tolkien.
Thank you, this was my first hour long video and gave birth to one of my channel's defining principles: the video takes as long as the subject demands.
Tolkien's work is important, and it deserved the best I could give it.
Nice video man! At first I saw 3mil subscribes and wondered how I have not come across this amazing channel before. 😅
I have watched couple of these videos and like them a lot. Subscribed!
They obviously do not owe me anything, and they can do whatever the fuck they want (within limitations of what they payed for ofc) but man I felt so betrayed, and still do. I remember when I first heard the rumors of something new being made. First thought was huge excitement and half a second later fear and dread. I remembered in what world we live in and how they do things these days. I am still waiting for someone to come out and say it was all a joke fellas . . . I mean it indeed was a joke . . .
I understand, mate. I felt the same way after the Halo series. Regardless, welcome to the Sheltered Harbour.
@workingjellyfish thanks! I can't say I was a HALO fan since I've never played it but as a gamer I was more than aware of it and was looking forward to seeing the series. Unfortunately it was horrible. I didn't even finish it. I mean it was obvious even without the opinions of the fans themselves.
Expect Amazon to cut their losses after the second season and cancel the show.
I personally liked the show but yes, it was a shameless cash grab.
I disliked how the did Galadriel, made the elves have short hair, how Elrond was just this immature fool, and how they seemed to just try to fit too much into one show.
I don’t mind that they used POC, but I hate when they just tried to fill a quota.
It is a disservice to Marginalized peoples when you just check a box and they are given half-assed roles, it fails them too.
I could not agree more with your comments about IP's being bought and paid for and not earnt. This is why I am so concerned about the adaption of one of my favourite fandoms, 40K. I just hope Cavill is allowed to keep his manhood intact. But you know, in this kiwi's point of view, it's no longer about the story, it's about what ever political bollocks modern hollywood wants to jam into it. I hate modern media because of that crap!
I too have hope for Cavill’s 40k series, I just hope it’s not a fool’s hope.
Loved the use of the Midway film
Only 939 subs? Thank you algorithm, this is top tier!
Amazon: "Tolkien's works are about people coming together"-
Tolkien himself in Letter 131 where Tolkien wrote about the Second Age "the theme of his part of the story is fall, corruption and the machine". Of course that is a paraphrase, but its adequate to show that what Tolkien said about the themes and meanings of his work is greatly at odds with what Amazon said.
Liked the Hobbit myself guys. Is it lore trilogy good? No, but for what it is. I like it. It's underrated imo. Hot take I'm sure... But rings of power. Well 🤮
Liked this, but with tears in my eyes.
Absolutely excellent video!!!!
Thanks, mate. LOTR is incredibly important, not only in film but also in the literary canon. I wanted to make sure I did the source material justice with this video.
Mr. Bezos, your son warned you not to “f” it up. You shoulda listened. $1B down the toilet 🚽.
That’s one expensive flush…
@@workingjellyfish Indeed 🤔
And he used the sidepages of simarillion to wipe his ass with
Outstanding work, good Sir Jellyfish!
Thank you kindly!
I am what you can call "a casual fan". I love the LOTR books and the movies, but I didn't read Silmarillion and other Tolkien works, and I don't even conside Tolkien my favourite wrighter (this title goes to H.P.Lovecraft and C.A.Smith), but I absolutely detest and despice "Rings of power", forced "diversity" and "modernisation" of old works of art in general. BTW all this "diverse cast" doesn't represent the modern world, it only represents modern USA (and I suspect - not even the whole USA)
I stand with purists! Gatekeep, bothers and sisters, this is the only way!
the hobbit movie fans, now is our time
hard to believe but there are people out there who still have Amazon Prime lmao
You give me hope
Thanks mate.
Atleast Tolkien's world wasn't assrsped like Disney did to Star Wars
How does this only have slightly over 2k views... Its criminal how few views this has.
Thanks for your support. By all means share and recommend the video. For Tolkien!
They want diversity in color and not diversity in thought. Big difference and it doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive. Mainstream treats it like they are.
There was noi way this show was going to win awards outside of the turker and rasberry awards.
LOVE how woman never buy into women owned buisnesses...The exclusionary (By their assumption) versions have attracted male and female's alike, yet female created content rarely attractes either, aside from the Man/Woman/Race haters...
True empowerment:
"No man can kill me!"
*Rips off helmet* "I'm no man!"
False empowerment: I'm a tomboy, respect me!!!!
According to modern hollywood never existed. I can relate with any man, REGARDLESS of skin color, you know who i can't relate with...women...despite being raised by a single mother with a sister...Father NOWHERE to be found, yet i relate MORe to men than I do to the sex that raised me...hmmm...
very sound over-view. great work!
Thanks mate, it was a lengthy endeavour.
Excellent, thank you for your work on this.
Great work
Thank you
The more and more i watch about how the rings of power qas periecved and fought against by the fans, the more I start to think I was just alone in my fight against the bullshit disney did to starwars.
It almost felt like being surrounded, out gunned, and out numbered, but still upholding my lightsaber.
I was Ima gun di, and they were the droid army.
How and why this happened but the lord of the rings fans wouldn't allow it to happen to their franchise completely baffles me.
Me watching this happen felt like being a war veteran entering a brand new war but being put in a logistics position, encouraging those about to go off into battle that the fight is in fact worth it.
There were some like myself in the starwars community, but none were so untied againat the drivel.
I told anyone in the internet i cane across, "not to let it happen to them, don't let them ruin it for you."
And i cheered as i aaw WAVES of people destorying the absolute crap that was the rings of power.
But i also felt, and atill feel, sadned by auch unity, i could not find this kind of comradery in my own community, we were divided against ourselves, and so we fell despite out best efforts.
And now? Im just tired. Which is where i assumed eveyone else went when it felt as if i was alone and surrounded, they were simply tited of the fight, that had to be it.
Now, however, im uncertain.
In any case, i emplore fans everywhere to stand up for what you like, stand up for your franchise and it's creative direction.
Dont let them corrupt it.
Don't let them win.
And don't faulter.
Once, i was so desperate for good starwars i had convinced myself that rushed and sub par content was good.
That kenobi was actually a good series.
Dont let desperation feed these monsters.
Kenobi had good moments, but they were over shadowed by idiocy, and i was too blind to see it until it was too late.
working jellyfish makes such good videos.... if only amazon had learned from him.
What was hilarious to me was the trailers and interviews. The only thing that was shown and talked about was the diversity and wokeness... instead of the show, story, character moments and the "passion and dedication" it would've took to make it.
*Sniff * Right here :(
Whadup jellylad. New sub here but I love your videos
Thanks for the sub, welcome aboard skipper.
Lol a labor of love bravo!
I wish Wakanda had been shown to reflect the world we live in today, instead of the racist ethno state it had always been. Sad.
That's the problem. The show didn't touch us at all!!!!
I do remember wondering when I was going to see anything to do with Tolkiens story. What we got was so poorly written and cobbled together. I don't see where that billion dollars went?
Jackson should've been a part of this.
Its shame modern media has To Carry a Message based on The World Today rather than Be creative with The source material. In The mess that is TROP There is Good stuff In The Series its a shame that Overalli its wrong. If it Was edited diffrently it would Be less shit but still Bad. They needed The rights To The silmerilian And unfinisded tales. The appendces In the LOTR is Not enough To cover the 2nd Age
If it was a different story entirely people would enjoy it more but LOTR is “sacred”
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No, because it's just bad. The characters are boring, the plots are terrible. It will not survive.
Great work, keep it up.
I just stumbled on your channel but absolutely agree and I may be a bit of a casual but what Amazon has done no true fan of tolkin or peter Jackson can sit idle for as long as this show runs we shall be the bastion that holds back the filth they spew forth so at last all I can say is FOR TOLKIN!!
Welcome to the sheltered harbour, mate.
For Tolkien!
@@workingjellyfish also you most definitely deserve my sub and many many more absolutely love your content!!
I made it 4 or 5 episodes of Rings of Power. Then checked out.
For Tolkien!
For Tolkien.