A senator and a queen have their child kidnapped. They want to contact someone to hunt down the kidnappers and get the daughter back. Perhaps paying for this service, a bountiful payment no doubt... would this be better for Boba fett a litteral bounty hunter or Kenobi? Another story about a man staying on tatooine, dealing with different threats on that planet. Swoop gangs, drug dealing Pike, added lore about the Tusken Raiders, and so on. Would this be a story for Obi-Wan, who has pledged to deal with threats to Luke based on Tatooine? Or a Bounty hunter Boba Fett?
@@workingjellyfish It would be so funny if in a few years a random member of the Lucasfilm staff says in an interview that they sent the wrong scripts to the directors, only noticed after they recorded both series, and just rolled with it to keep the shows on schedule.
It's funny that your suggestion for how the Kenobi show should've been, already more or less, exists in the EU/Legends by a novel named ironically enough, Kenobi.
That’s pretty much how I deal with most of Disney Star Wars, if it’s good, like Andor and Rogue One, I treat it as canon. If it sucks and damages characters or the world, like almost everything else, it has no attachment to the canon.
Also remember when light sabers cut through living beings like a hot knife and weren't bats. There is a scene were Obi-wans light saber bounces of a stormtroopers armor like it was a bat.
Yeah, I remember when one of the newer (and therefore canon!) Thrawn books was exploring how much worse order 66 could be if the clones had cortosis armor. The metal that's by itself not hard enough to serve as armor but it's ability to deflect Star Wars weaponry would have changed the landscape. Now, if regular Stormtrooper armor can do this, what stakes would there be for that book? And that book serves as the new reason for Thrawn to be acknowledged as a genius by the emperor. And not only that: If regular armor can deflect a lightsaber, it would also deflect blaster bolts. Fighting would need to change as a result. And that's kind of what annoys me about Disney canon. It's "make shit look cool", instead of "does this meaningfully add to the story?".
Here is a simple idea: They should have swapped the Boba Fett show and Obi Wan show. Have Obi Wan STAY on Tatooine exclusively, spending his exile tormenting himself over the past, trying to reach Qui Gon through the force, and helping to hide Luke from the Empire (by interacting with other local characters and factions similar to Boba Fett's show). Then with the Boba Fett show you have him climb out of the sarlac pit, adjust his helmet, and go accept a bounty to rescue a missing girl. Boba is the hunter and he should be travelling the galaxy to redeem himself while Obi Wan is the Jedi who should be keeping the peace and meditating on the past.
I disagree. I don't see how both shows could have stayed on Tatooine and not been well told stories that expand both characters in new and interesting ways. The problem with Book of Boba Fett, besides bad scripts and terrible cinematography, was that it (much like most of the scrapped movies turned into TV shows) rushed the story it wanted to show and blew its load all in one season instead of stretching out and giving it time to breathe and become it's own story. Imagine if the whole first season was a flashback showing us how Boba went from crawling out of the Sarlacc pit to sitting on Jabba’s throne and then next season was learning the intricacies of being a crimeboss while fending off those two Hutts like a proper mafia story?
@@Lobsterwithinternet Ofcourse a story where Boba stays on Tattooine could have worked, but it just seems so strange that they would deliberately reverse these characters and place them in scenerios where the other belonged. Yes a story where Boba stays on Tattooine and slowly becomes a proper mafia boss could have worked regardless of the Obi Wan show, but the disney writers didn't even seem like they wanted to do that. In the end Boba's career as a mafia boss consisted of him helping gaggles of poor street urchins and other "dasdardly good deeds" like that. Just a huge waste of potential all around.
When Bail Organa asked Obi Wan to go after Leia, Obi Wan should have said, "With the Inquisitor activity on Tatooine, I cannot leave, Senator. Sorry." The series should not have happened. Bail could have called Ahsoka instead. Ahsoka was helping Bail in Rebels.
@@memebrain2177 how is it when it was literally explained why he chose to contact Obi-Wan as he was one of the only people who had any idea about Leias true heritage and that it must be continued to be kept a secret. Also another thing is that Obi-Wan is literally Bails Jedi friend so it only seemed right to go to him for an urgent situation as this was.
@@adamtorske9236That reasoning is why Obi-Wan shouldn't have gone as his very presence would have outted the Organas as jedi collaborators and have them all arrested and executed. The best outcome would have been to bring it up with the Imperial Senate. Then it would become an Imperial matter and, since Reva did this highly illegal thing off the books and without authorization against one of the most powerful members of the Empire, she would be hunted down and killed like a dog by her own bosses including Vader. Obi-Wan wouldn't have had to lift a finger. Just stay where he was and let her plan fail all on its own.
Yeah sure I agree that involving Obi-Wan could make things worse for him and Bail, but that's why Obi-Wan was also trying so hard to basically keep the rescue a secret while also keeping his identity hidden. When he found Leia it was more her that was being so kinda adventurous in a way and not being so secretive. For example, that's why he even said, "You have no idea what I'm risking being here your Highness". It was clear that Obi-Wan was not very willing to help Bail and Breha either as he probably didn't believe in himself really anymore and that his duty was to watch over Luke only, but again, as I said before Obi-Wan was Bail's Jedi friend and in a way the only one he actually trusted with this rescue mission, even probably with risking themselves, another reason could be is that he could have maybe thought it would help give Obi-Wan some much needed closure about losing Anakin and the mistakes they both had made leading up to this point, with essentially encouraging Obi-Wan to get back in the fight. Another thing is that what literally happened to their homeworld with Bail and Breha on Alderaan 10 years later, the Empire probably had actually did figure it out, and that why its also probably one of the reasons why they had chosen Alderaan for the first test of the Death Star. With your supposed best outcome, honestly, I think that would not even have been an option to ask the Imperial Senate and make it an Imperial matter because the one main reason, Emperor Palpatine, if he were to essentially tell the Imperial Senate, that would also get Palpatines attention and with seeing how he is, he would probably piece it all together and discover that Leia is actually Anakins daughter. Also, it was pretty evident that Bail didn't have much trust in the Imperial Senate, and thought that they probably wouldn't even care, as they don't care about anything else that doesn't affect them and their Galatic Empire, so why would he go to the Senate for help when he was also one of the members who was actively trying to take down the Empire hence the Rebellion. It was very important to keep Leia's true identity a secret, as the only three people who truly knew were, of course, Bail, Yoda, and Obi-Wan when she was born, having her identity be discovered could have been good at all, so who better to go to than one of the only people who know who she truly is, probably the most capable one, and finally the one who kinda needed the closure and peace from losing and essentially failing Anakin, as Bail basically said to Obi-Wan you couldn’t save Anakin, so go help and save his daughter. There are many reasons that I could go on about, and explain your questions, but sometimes I wonder if you had actually even watched the show and also simply understood the whole state of the Galaxy at that point@@Lobsterwithinternet
Comparing Galen Marek to Rey is rediculous for 1 major reason, whilst Galen from forced unleashed was OP but made so for gaming purposes, he was trained by his father and then by Vader from a young age until adult hood! Rey was not! She gained powers because of plot not training! She was good with the force because VAGINA! Galen was powerful because he trained his entire life!
Not only that Galen was so strong in the Force he could pull Vader's blade from his hand mid swing, AT 5! and Vader thought he was a master. He could sense him but he couldn't tell he was only around the corner and then just right behind him? Plus like 15 or so years of constant training and straight up torture by Vader, Proxy and whatever else, with the goal of taking out Jedi Masters with ease? Who wouldn't be OP. Also both Lucas and Sam say Vader was holding back in both games so either Starkiller isn't all that OP or Vader is more OP than he should be.
@@OG-ColorfulAbyss.well it’s from legends have you seen the shit Vader can do in comics? I still think that’s a cop out to keep Vaders status though full potential he’d wipe starkiller but he’s so retardedly broken I think he’d be at least on par with Vader
I've been a star wars fan when i was a kid. Isn't Galen the scientist from rogue one, I'm so confused and Disney ain't making this easy to get back into it...
In a new hope the stormtroopers were "allowing" the gang to escape the death star in order to track the falcon to the rebel base this is why their accuracy was questionable , Leia even says after the escape that they were allowed to escape
Obi-Wan letting Vader live hurts Luke’s story. Obi-Wan keeps telling him that he needs to kill Vader and that there is nothing of his dad left. So it makes the scene so much more powerful when Luke spares him and Vader kills the Emperor. In the extended universe they even talk about how this makes Obi-Wan feel so guilty for abandoning Anakin so long ago. Some really great character writing that is not moot.
Twice now Obi Wan has let Vader live: afaic he's responsible for everything Vader did for the 13 years after that series is set. Vader was even begging Obi Wan to kill him: if he had, he'd have spared the galaxy much pain. What is his excuse the *second* time....
@@englishlady9797 disney has made obi wan a selfish hypocrite that spared vader while not believing there to be anything good in left left only for obi wan to turn around and plan for luke to one day kill his own father.
@@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk Yeah, I know. If Kenobi really believed there was no good left in Vader then sparing him makes no sense whatsoever. It would have been better for everyone for him to finish the job then and there, instead of allowing his evil to continue and more people to be hurt. IDK whether they did it because they thought they were making Kenobi look good and "merciful" or something, but it doesn't do that at all. It only make him appear selfish, cowardly and downright irresponsible to have spared Vader *yet again*, and allowing him in the process to wreak more chaos.
That scene in Mandalorian where the two troopers are shooting, would have been so much better if they were actually hitting their targets. To actually bring back the fact that they are indeed accurate when they want to.
They were supposed to be the Galactic SS, superbly trained and ruthlessly competent, and utterly terrifying. There was a REASON they were called Stormtroopers, to evoke that word's specific real world weight into an unknown in 1977 fictional setting. The SS was nothing to joke about, and the Imperial Stormtroopers were never meant to be a joke. Well, until 1983 and Endor.
I hate when people use the arguments that the dialogue was never good, the acting was always cheesy….. the thing is, it could all be great. When Lucas started the franchise he had no money. When the originals were wildly successful there was plenty of money to hire fantastic writers to shape what George envisioned. George was not a writer or even a good director. He had a vision. Kirschner did a great job bringing it to life. But George didn’t like that. It’s the many extended universe stories and the Disney+ options we have , you can construct different story flavors to match an audience. Silly for kids. Deep and dark for us adults who have been enjoying it since 1977.
George wrote the whole thing and most of the changes were on the fly and were a result of the actors, thus the prequels more wooden dialogue as the actors weren't as willing to go against George due to how massive Star Wars was
I feel like I strongly remember the "Close the blast doors!" half of that stormtrooper exchange being added with the Special Edition, as well. It was not originally played for a joke at all.
The corridor scene in Rogue One didn't even need the data drive containing the plans being passed along in hectic Hollywood fashion. They could simply have been sent to the Tantive IV via wifi, and Vader was fighting his way to it before it could undock and escape.
Holy shit. I had watched/listened to the "Ahsoka and the crimes of Dave Filoni" video and then started playing this one, having it run on the side while I do other stuff. So I wasn't giving it my full visual attention, but when I heard a comment mentioned I went back to pause on it so I could read the full comment. In order to get the full comment and not just whatever is used in the video. And then I realize it was mine when I saw the name. As a massive fan of Star Wars since I was a kid and played with the Kenner toys, growing up with great EU stories and buying Star Wars merchandise (Just bought the Deagostini Falcon today to add it), it makes me proud to be featured in an Anti-Disney Star Wars video. I agree that the Rogue One ending isn't as bad when it comes to breaking canon. Especially considering all the other shit they've done. You could say the same thing about Rogue One in it's entirety actually. Among Disney Star Wars best work.
The line ¨Evertime I watch, I hope they miss, but they never do¨ hits close to home, I was a teenager, and Star Wars Ep III was the first Star Wars I saw in theaters, it broke my heart and I cried seeing the Jedi die like dogs.
There’s the theory that stormtroopers were told to take it easy on the OG New Hope front because the plan was to let them leave so they could be tracked.
I can see that theory holding water. “Are they away? Are you sure the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship?” It’s an older theory but it checks out.
This isn’t even a theory, it’s outright stated in the film that they were let go. Of course the stormtroopers would not want to kill them. They don’t know which one of them is the pilot, for example, so they can’t really risk killing anyone if they want to find out where they take Leia and the plans.
@@Silveiriasalso there is a scene where Han chases two stormtroopers around a corner and there is a whole company there just trying not to be seen by the rebels. If you pay attention Stormtroopers always stomp the rebels, the only times they don't they are letting the Rebels win. In a new hope it was to let them escape and in Jedi it was to draw them into a trap.
@sidnew2739 which scenes? The hero characters obviously have some amount of plot armor. If you actually check the assault on the tantive iv, the stormies are trashing the rebels while also being more accurate than them
Kenobi letting Vader live is like Guyladriel finally discovering Sauron, then letting him walk away, THEN not telling the other elves who that Halbrand guy really is. All the death and destruction at the hands of Vader and Sauron is now due to negligence by characters who are supposed to be the heroes. Thanks for the video! 🙏😎
Technically everything Vader did since Mustafar is on Obi-Wan for not finishing the job plus somehow never hearing about Vader for 10 whole damn years.
@@OG-ColorfulAbyss. Yep. Yep. Thanks for saying this. Disney then also tried to make Vader as sloppy as Obi Wan, but having him just walk off and leave an injured Reva (who was obviously going to survive- I mean come on he stabbed her in the same place before and she lived...) I mean say what you like about Vader, but he was *never* sloppy like that. If he thought a person posed a potential threat, he would kill them and make absolutely certain they would not be back. Leaving an enemy injured was not Vader's style: he'd have killed them. He'd make sure he finished the job.
I couldn't get through the first episode of this show, I saw the shaky cam when Riva threatened the people on Tatooine, the camera was shaking like the operator was having an epileptic fit. and the only thing that is happening in that scene is that Riva is walking around slowly and threatens the populous in general and Uncle Owen in particular. is just thought to myself, "If the camera work is this bad already then why should I subject myself to the rest"
8:09 I feel like this scene could work with just a small tweak. Make the second guy hit it on his first shot. And then a patented Marvel quip or a deadpan stare.
5:26 Ok so in my opinion there’s an in universe reason explanation as to why stormtroopers are so inaccurate (besides rarely, if ever, actually looking down the sights). The E11 blaster, from my understanding, isn’t a laser rifle but a plasma rifle, firing a bolt of superheated plasma at the target (please let me know if I’m wrong this is just my understanding of it) and given that, it is implied to have recoil. The E11 also has, believe it or not, a folding stock, WHICH NOBODY FRICKING USES. So I believe these guys are just trying to body the recoil with their arms instead of actually using the brace.
Things I don't understand for this show are (besides being mostly the entire show) 1. Why would you have Obi-Wan meet Darth Vader at all. It demininshes the scene in A New Hope 2. At this point I'm so sick of the "ugh I've lost touch with the force ugh". Like why would Obi-Wan stink at using the force when his whole point is to look over and train Luke. Kinda a stinky let down of a teacher if you ask me. 3. Reva 4. Why would Bale hire Obi-Wan when he knows he's hiding in secrecy. Like bruh how'd you get this number? 5. I always assumed Leia and Obi-Wan never met. Like Leia was told about Obi-Wan and how he could help her with the empire, but never actually met her 6.. Why copy the scene with Ahsoka from Rebels 7. I also feel like Reva coming into contact with Luke and exposing him to the fact the force is real also ruins things
12:50 Most of the stuff Palpatine is throwing benefits from gravity also making them falling objects, so I have no problem with this. Similarly, TFU scene always criticised i.e. Starkiller “pulling” down a Star Destroyer, in the book (which afaik is the canon version of events rather than the gameplay) is him just trying to manoeuvre an already falling Star Destroyer.
Agreed, I had no issues with episode three in that regard, as there was both a narrative and symbolic reason for the scene. I’ve not read TFU novel, but I am also forgiving of the game, because it’s a game.
@@Kalmera6238 It's pretty crazy though, still. Galen Marek is a wonderful character but if he was actually pulling the star destroyer down, a ship 1.6km long, it'd be OP. He's young as Hell! Guiding it makes more sense. At least in the EU, the ancient Sith Lords who could pull that off were at the height of their power. Tulak Hord pulled down a ship from orbit, but he's a figure of legend and the ship was only the size of a small frigate in comparison. Honestly tho, it's mostly because Starkiller fanboys can be really annoying, they do NOT shut up about the star destroyer scene😭
Well another thing to remember is that if you're for example using the force to stop an incoming car (humor me) you could use the force entirely to stop the mass of the car a no doubt deeply exhausting though possible exercise, or you could use the force to engage the breaks. Maybe the secret isn't that figures like Starkiller pulled down the whole mass of a Star Destroyer against it's own power of suspension, but rather that they used the force to interfere with the native suspension of the craft. Edit AKA why size doesn't matter.
The discussion of stormtrooper accuracy reminded me of a major complaint I had about s2 of The Mandalorian (never actually watched s3). And that's that the bad guys can never hit any of the good guys, *except* for the one dude wearing blaster-proof armor, who they can hit all the time. Some level of plot armor is normal, even unavoidable in heavily action-based series, but doing that really brought it to the forefront in a way that rubbed me the wrong way.
I know I'm probably in the minority, but I liked the series overall and did enjoy seeing some of Leia as a child. For me Obi-Wan's state of mind comes from the idea that everything he knew had been destroyed by his own apprentice and the guilt he felt over that. As for his mission with Luke, to me it's easy to understand that many people have plans but then fall far short of it, or even altogether. Obi-Wan living on a world like Tatooine, and hearing year by year of the atrocities of the Empire on people he once swore to protect, could little by little eat away at his resolve to be the trainer of the galaxy's salvation. I will concede, that him burying his lightsaber and closing himself off to the Force completely is an odd thing to put in there, because as you said, what would he have done if Luke did actually face a threat that needed Jedi intervention. That being said, there were a couple of things I would've liked to see, some of it pulled from written works: 1. Conversations between Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon where he assures him Luke will be safe because Vader can't bring himself to return to Tatooine because of it forcing him to face his past. Vader, deep down, knows he made terrible choices but has to live under the delusion that he was correct because facing the truth would be extremely overwhelming for him. That and Qui-Gon saying that while he and Kenobi could communicate, there were reasons why Qui-Gon did not tell him about certain events from Anakin's past, like his slaughter of the Tusken Raiders. 2. The homeless clone Obi-Wan saw, I think it could've been interesting if the clone recognized him, but now no longer under the control of the inhibitor chip, felt tremendous guilt over his role in the destruction of the Jedi. He could've been used to as a way for Obi-Wan and Leia successfully escaping the planet from Reva and the others by sacrificing himself as a way of atoning for the past. 3. More of Sideous telling Vader his obsession on hunting Jedi, Kenobi in particular, was a waste of time and doing nothing to further his growth as a Sith. I enjoyed the fight between Kenobi and Vader because it demonstrates that Vader's emotions while fighting Kenobi ultimately cause him to lose. Compared to when he fought Reva, he didn't even break a sweat because she is nothing to him. Enjoying your channel, look forward to more.
I love to see that "Obi-Wan, the negotiator" as Grievous called him once, who's Venator was literally called The Negotiator forgot how to negotiate I just don't care about the rest, I don't consider these newer shows canon anyway
I’d always expected Kenobi would be show following a battle scared man coming to terms with his life as a former child soldier, having maimed his best bud in a battle to the death and now descended into isolated alcoholism and occasional self reflection + meditation on Tatooine. 30 years later, he’s recovered somewhat and gained some perspective on his actions, both good and bad. As with all these Disney wars shows, there’s no respect for the characters; they do what the plot demands. It’s should be the other way round.
I hate the argument that we shouldn't care about the quality of movies made for kids. Shouldn't we care even more that kids are seeing quality stories with good morals and life lessons? Also, who is going to be watching the movie with the kids? What do they think PG means? Mostly, it annoys me because most of the mistakes being made are mistakes I've seen film students be embarrassed to make. If someone doesn't want to put the effort into their job to do it well, just step aside and let someone with respect for the art do it. I don't think I've seen many modern filmmakers or writers accept that they just made something that wasn't well liked. That alone would go far in fixing the reputation of Star Wars.
Man, I consume Star Wars very passively, I have no emotional stake in it, but had this show playing in the background and SEVERAL times I squinted at it like "Wait... But why?" or "You can't just...walk around?" or "That makes the actual opposite of sense". The only impactful thing I took away from the entire show was the fact someone was keeping dead padwans as wall decorations.
28:00 I literally made zero comparisons between those two things... This might just be a you thing i dont know. Firstly i want to be clear, i liked this show... But its kinda crap. It was my first experience in actually liking crap so i didn't have the knowledge to see that it was, in fact, crap. 😂 Now, the one major problem i have with the idea that obiwan wouldn't be in this deshelved state, is that kind of assumes a man who has lost everything can't question himself for a period of time. It assumes obiwan has to react rationally to a situation that is otherwise irrational. Which is the same argument people make for Luke skywalker in the sequel trilogy, the difference being that luke was supposed to be a person who never gave up despite the odds, a represtnation of the very concept of hope. Hence the title of the first film, a new hope. Whereas obiwan is, has, and always will be the good old boy. Well, maybe not has always been, but since the prequels came out, he's the standard for what a jedi should be. Or at least as is defined by his era, his generation of jedi. In the originals obiwan is supposed to be the grizzled old war veteran going on his last mission. And also a mentor. My point is, the reason luke can and should continue in despite of eveything and obiwan might not, is because their concepts have always been fundamentally different. Obiwan is the valiant knight, a representation of a bygone era, a war veteran who's here to teach the next generation. Luke is the next generation, and a symbol of hope. One can fall, the other should not, at least not without SHOWING ME the fall. And even then there should be a bounce back, since the idea has always been hope. And surrounded by darkness, only hope shines through. So I can see obiwan falling into this position of desperation but not luke, because of the intentions behind their characters. Obiwan isn't an optimist. He isn't a symbol of hope. Even in the original triology you can see he's pretty cynical. Of all the characters in starwars, I can see obiwan falling into this trap, becomming desperate and disheartened. He's a man who's lost eveything he's ever known. And has now been tasked with a mission. Now, completely cutting himself off from the force doesn't make sense. But, struggling to maintain that connection due to something like PTSD would be very interesting. We see this in canon even, with a charcater by the name of cal kestis. That's what they should've done, given the show more time to show the effects of the war on his mind and even his connection to the force. Which could also explain another reason as to his hesitancy in using the force. Problem is, THE SHOW DOESN'T BOTHER TO. Also, I honestly dont have any problem with the concept of the force being like riding a bicycle, once you learn how you never fully forget, even if you don't do it for years. And are you genuinely saying obiwan lifting and moving rocks around is power creep? I, I just don't understand this complaint and I really probably never will. Teleknisis is one of the most basic forms of force power. And is in fact one of the easiest to learn. Despite learning it still being difficult. Luke can do it without finishing his training for gosh sakes, obiwan has had jedi training his entire life. Just because you haven't seen it before doesn't mean the character can't do it. It just means they've chosen not to for some reason. R2d2 suddenly has rockets in the prequels he didn't have before in the original trilogy, heck guy is practically a swiss army knife, where were all those fancy gadgets in the originals? Are you going to compain about that too? I don't know, it just seems like a non issue to me. Anyway, that's just my 2 cents you didn't ask for. 😂
Someone correct me if im wrong but in terms of raw force power wasn't Obi-Wan considered one of the weakest masters of all time but he was accepted as a master because of how skilled he was at using his abilities and his skills in lightsaber combat witch was a highly defensive form whare he slowly wore down his opponents.
i dont care what some officials say, it's NOT Pronounced "Tan-Te-Vee" !!!! It's "Tan-Tiv"!!! Always been! For 40 years! Just because some new dork among lucasfilm doesnt know his shit it doesnt make this pronounciation canon!
As a lifelong Dark Forces fan, I simply can't acknowledge Rouge One. George at least hand a hand in it's creation (A story regarding blasting stromtroopers, an old game interview), he gave Lucasarts his approval on it's story. Ph, and funny thing people forget: Stormtroopers are average, regular humans under that armor, not the highly skilled killing machines bred for only war like the Clones were. So take that into mind when judging their accuracy.
@@workingjellyfishI know I’m late to the discussion but they are even going out of their way to add additional scenes, which gives me hope for them making the “film” better
Wait...people remember that there was a tracking device on the falcon right? That they were SUPPOSED to escape? Stormtroopers were instructed to miss, this entire escape was meant to look realistic so they were essentially "selling it" like in WWE match.
Worth noting with the 11:16 power levels, Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes is a pay-to-win mobile game where, at the time of the introduction of a new ultra-powerful "rarity" of character TROS was just released, so Rey and Supreme Leader Kylo Ren were the first to have such positions. Grand Master Yoda, meanwhile, is a character who is, in the game, more easily obtainable and older, and as such weaker. Since then, several older characters have been given similar higher power levels, including ROTS Jedi Master Kenobi and ROTJ Leia Organa.
5:55 I think it's three unrealated things that initially gave stormtroopers their bad aim...in A New Hope we have the scene with Ben talking about how the blaster shots were to accurate for raiders, it had to be stormtroppers...second, in The Phantom Menace we see the raiders bulls-eyeing POD-RACERS with SLUG rifles...third, there must be allowances made for plot armor when you have so many blaster bolts flying around all the time...so it ends up seeming like a big joke...but most of the movies also follow force users who can deflect and evade blasters, when we see troopers during The Clone Wars, they're actually pretty damn good shots (partially related to the plot armor point, poor AAyla)... 12:17 What are you talking about? They're just having a round-table discussion...
The entire premise for this movie-turned-show was Vader's line in RotJ saying "Obi-Wan once thought as you do." That's it. That's what got this story greenlit when denied in the past. Nobody questioned the fact that Kenobi and Anakin had a preexisting relationship that would give Vader his insights. Everything about this show is wrong. None of the character actions or motivations make any sense, and it breaks the continuity in ways that could've easily been avoided. Had they simply adapted the Kenobi book by JJM, throwing in a couple scenes from the current SW comics that featured Obi-Wan's Journal, this show would've been great.
That sequence with Irvin Kershner is THE reason why empire is widely regarded as by far the best sw. One more lesson that Disney didn't bother to learn. SW is dead Long live Andor.
I think Obiwan should never have left tatooine. This should have been a show about the problems Obiwan solved and dealt with ON TATOOINE. Defending Owens farm from Asharad hett and the sand people. Saving Luke from a sand storm. Speaking with Quigon. Reacting to news of what the empire is doing. Nearly going mad because of the solitude. Becoming the old wise Jedi master we saw in A New Hope.
I have always been of the opinion that Obi-Wan, like Han Solo, didn't need any added story to them. Solo was useless because the main character development of Han Solo happens in A New Hope. Before that he was a good for nothing nerf herder smuggler. We don't really need to see what the Kessel Run actually is, because it was mostly part of his mythos. With Obi-Wan he was in a "hiatus" between the two trilogies. He had one mission: Watch over Luke. And since Luke was never in any danger, there was nothing for him to do. That's really the can of worms George Lucas opened upon the world with the prequels - now everything can be "told" as a story. There's no more mythos. Just look at how almost any tie in show to anything these days is some form of prequel. That way you don't need to invent new things. The issue is - sometimes telling the story about a "thing from the past" ruins the mystery, replacing it with actuality. It's a Schrodinger's cat. Before you make a prequel, the story is undefined. Everyone can have an idea about what actually happened. Once you make the prequel, all those thoughts become obsolete - now there's only ONE correct story... no matter how good it might be.
@@davidanderson4748 Exactly. For the longest time the Prequels were quite loathed by the Star Wars fandom. That's why ultimately any form of prequel is so damned difficult to pull off. I'm trying to think of a prequel to an established franchise that's actually good.
I haven't seen the show, but I think there are interesting things to be done with a "Kenobi" show/movie. First is the hunt for Jedis, reintroducing Sith inquisitors from the EU was nice, and since the rule of 2 exists, they can be weaker than a actual Sith. As for a Vader/Obiwan confrontation, have the primary plot be about Obiwan trying to assassinate Vader, so as to finish the job. Maybe Luke/Leia could be what draws out Vader, which could give Obiwan a bit of a ruthless side. Of course, Obiwan will fail, and whatever buddies he brought with him(maybe even another fugitive Jedi) would all die. It would be a somber ending, but it would at least show Obiwan doing all he can to hurt the empire, and essentially acts as his final hurrah before going quiet on Tatooine. As for gaining more powers, they could show Obiwan looking into the ancient mysteries of the Jedi and Sith, again using the EU as reference. This would allow him to kill all of Vader's inquisitors in the final fight, but after losing to Vader, he loses these power-ups. I really liked Rogue One, so this might sound a bit similar
3:49 I may not be a SW fan, I only like the reviews and passion behind fans, but arguing that you should not take something seriously because "Movie about space wizards" is extremely dumb, should I not take Avatar the last airbender seriously because is a series about a bald kid playing with pebbles and water against evil fire dude? There are so many silly things going on in the entire series, or what about Infinity Train? It's a series about a bunch of people in a weird train going through a fart wagon, a silly dog kingdom, a gorilla with tubas on her back, etc. Or One Piece, you know, the series that deals with slavery, government corruption, dictatorships, rewriting of history, brainwashing, revolution, and being real to one's ideals, is the same series where a stupid monkey gum, guy is the mc, a big nose guy is scared of everything, and a green haired idiot cannot walk in a straight line without getting lost, you should not take Hiruluk's suicide seriously because is a silly show about magic pirates doing silly things like catching a giant monster with their bare hands just to eat it.
Kinda weird that you're so critical of Disney's errors, but then just kinda laugh off the errors Lucas made in the prequels. He created a weak foundation to start with.
Original trilogy stormtroopers were a force clearly spread thin with supply issues. They were good enough to meet a base standard and overwhelm their enemies. Now they are an absolute joke. As far as jokes and light heartedness, Lucas always balanced the seriousness with the light heartedness. Like a good writer and movie creator should.... Hacks are hacks, meaning they are about fan service and not about the stories.
Ok here's a question I have. Why does everyone get upset at Luke going into exile when Obi-Wan and Yoda did the same thing after the fall of the Jedi Order? Yoda and Obi-Wan (some of the greatest Jedi) cut themselves off from the Force and hid on remote planets. The only reason I can think of is that we already knew where they were going to end up in the OT so it didn't bother people. Would love to hear the other side of this argument
Obi-Wan and Yoda went into hiding for a very good reason: the empire took over the galaxy and were hunting down Jedi. After ROTJ that was no longer the case.
@@donovangomez9489I don't think people automatically disliked the fact that Luke was in exile. The problem is that his reason for going into exile was so disappointing. If he was hiding from the First Order or some other more legitimate reason it would have been better received.
So a few major lore breaking or just downright stupud moments in Kenobi - For a start Qui Gon's Force Ghost should not have been there. The prequels and The Clone Wars made it clear that Qui Gon *could not* manifest as a FG and they even told us why (he never completed his training before his death). According to Revenge of the Sith, only his voice could be heard, but he could not actually appear. - Leia knew ObI Wan and yet never mentioned it to Luke (or anyone else). Like not even once: even when Luke was visibly mourning and would have been comforted by the realization she had known him too. - Luke himself seems to forget he met Kenobi as a child, and that Kenobi gave him the toy x-wing. - Vader's true identity was meant to have been a very closely gaurded secret known to few within the Empire. Yet Reva discovered it easily. Also, why would Vader accept as an Inquisitor a person who knew his true identity? He's more likely just kill her. - Also, how on earth did Reva discover the connection between Leia, Vader and the Organas? This also was meant to be top secret information known only to Yoda, Bail and Obi Wan. It was not recorded and was not a matter of public record. - Vader allowing Reva to just escape, with her being privy to sensitive information which could hurt the Empire? Why did ht just not make sure he killed her? Vader is not sloppy. - Kenobi dropping a commlink with a secret message from the Organas and revealing Luke's location in the middle of an Imperial facility. The only reason Luke doesn't die as a result of Kenobi's incompetence here is because of the oh so convenient plot device of Reva suddenly having a change of heart. - Purely on the basis of this incomptetent negligence, Kenobi should never have been trusted with protecting Luke thereafter. Even without considering the fact he abandoned his post *twice*, at the behest of the Organas. .... speaking of which. - If Bail and Breha were so concerned about people finding out Leia was not in fact, their biological child (as is implied in the series_ why did they adopt a girl who grew up to be the spitting image of Padme, in the first place? Why did they allow her to become involved with the Rebellion, an action which not only drew attention to her but endangered them. - If they wanted someone to find their daughter without drawing attention to themselves, why not just hire a bounty hunter?
Oh, so basically Kenobi was a Macguffin and a puppet given the role of the protagonist. 1:11 so basically, it has to at the very least match the same level of respect Hayao Miyazaki gave to Lupin the 3rd. Got it.
Oh no, for you see, the show explains away why Obi-wan and Leia seem oblivious of each other. Because at the end, Obi wan says they have to pretend that they never ever saw each other because...reasons. It's fine and Disney Star Wars gives me boners...is what some fanboy would say. Lol
It's like that episode of _Star Trek: Enterprise_ when Starfleet runs into the Ferengi two centuries before the supposed first contest in _Star Trek: The Next Generation._ The Ferengi never said the word "Ferengi" so it totally makes sense.
@@BiggieTrismegistus yes. Kenobi was as a larger affront to Star Wars fans than Acolyte was. At least you can basically just ignore ALL of the Acolyte. Kenobi? Just RUINED one of the best characters in the Star wars galaxy. Kenobi is the worse star wars series.
I think at this stage the actors are just happy to act together and at least Ewan and Hayden got to do that, which the three OT actors didn't. Reva and Leia are okay in the series but there is a bit too much of them. This is what I think should have happened No prequel recap at the beginning, that's just lazy Obi wan sees a poster of Darth Vader and this brings back memories, which causes him to have bad dreams, but one of those dreams is of him being pulled into a fire by Vader, so that could be a prediction. Now he understands how Anakin felt when Anakin had dreams about his mother and Padmé, this is flashbacks should be used. He goes to see Organa (leaving Luke unprotected) because he needs a friendly face. Also other Jedi are being killed by the inquisitors so he needs to get away for his sake and Luke's protection. While Obi wan is visiting Organa, Leia is kidnapped by Reva's gang, because of Organa, not Obi wan and it is all just a coincidence Organa asks Obi wan to help him rescue Leia and Obi Wan goes to rescue Leia undercover, and this is why he needs the help of the rebels. At some point Obi wan needs to use the force while rescuing Leia realises that he is a Jedi, but not Obi Wan. Reva recognises Obi wan and works out there must be a connection to Leia and eventually works out that Leia is Vader's daughter. She goes to tell Vader but is overcome with emotion that she cannot control and when she see's Vader's back to her, she attempts to kill him and this is where we get the battle between Reva and Vader, and also we see her flashbacks to order 66. Vader kills Reva and her last word to Vader is Leia. Vader doesn't think any more of it, but he senses Obi wan. Vader knows Obi wan is close by because of other events and then we get the scene between them, which is the first time they meet for real.
I'm willing to bet Obi-wan did develop Alzheimer's after not remembering Leia in Episode V either... Almost like she was never supposed to be Luke's sister to begin with...
Obi Wan series was bad. I watched 3 episodes and stopped. Book of Boba Fett was bad. I eeked through the whole thing thinking it would get good. These two shows were directly responsible for me cancelling my Disney+ ( and that Pinocchio show) so I didn’t see Andor. Was it good? I doubt it. Didn’t see Mando season 3 but have seen reviews and glad I didn’t waste my time. Lucasfilm and Star Wars need new leadership and honestly Felloni is not it.
Today the "filmmakers" don't even care to make series, movies consistent with existing ones. Look at the brain dead Marvel films and the 3232 spiderman films with no clues or connection even with in the same variant or version of them .
this is the most half assed lazy show ive ever had the mis fortune to watch i think a gang of 5 year olds wrote the story and certainly the action scenes . i mean the whole barrier is the dessert that out hero never noticed he could just walk around was pathetic beyond belief plus i could write a novel on all its other problems
Well just like George they can just change rogue one with correct name, they could just change the whole last 3 movies and just replace them with something good
Hmm, I know the point you're trying to make is that you shouldn't make the bad guys too incompetent because that destroys any possible tension and it also carries a lot of other problems, so there's not really any requirement for the bad guys to be stormtroopers as opposed to some other thing, but I just want to point out that those guys gently putting the jedi to sleep at 10:36 are in fact clones, not stormtroopers. Those two things are even more different than stormtroopers and snowtroppers(as I'm sure you probably know), and I think the general consensus is that clones are a lot more capable than stormtroppers. Feels weird to even comment this because I agree with everything that's said so far, just thought that specific example was a bit out of place.
oh and i do love OP force powers if they are earned but Darth was an OP dualist more than a force user and his powers were more physical enhancing himself than anything using his rage and the pain his suit gave him to crush any and all challengers
The amount of people who know of "Kenobi" yet NONE of the so called "Jedi Killers" tried to annihilate (Thanks Google search auto-correct and not retarded PC built-in Google auto-correct missing the mark by planets...) him is absolutely fucking sad...EVEN DARTH VADER IN HIS PRIME sucks at fighting a guy who does nothing but run away, at least the younglings didn't run away...Maybe why Anakin slayed them so easily, because the Jedi were always trash and couldn't protect shit, much like EVERY GODAMN SURVIVOR of order 66...
Star Wars was already family friendly. Making it more family friendly makes it lose any and all relevance. And don't worry Diney writers. Even when you overexplain everything to make sure even the doofy people get it, we all still hate the stories anyway, so good job. lol
Lets face it, the only true star wars is George lucas star wars, everything else is just imitation. Apart from rogue one, and fallen order video game, as they dont contradict Geoege Lucas vision. Its why i stay away from Disney star wars movies, tv series, and merch.
@@workingjellyfish Congrats on hitting 1000. I'm going to suggest you for EFAP (if you're interested) because I think you'd be a great voice on a guest spot and it'd put much deserved eyes on you and your content.
@@yagamifire7861 Thanks mate, I'd be very humbled to get a guest spot on EFAP. Those lads (particularity Mauler) have been a bit of an inspiration for me.
The biggest way Rogue One breaks canon is obvious. Mon Mothma says it was Bothan spies who stole the Death Star plans, not some ridiculously hot brunette from the UK. In my book, that alone makes it non canon.
A senator and a queen have their child kidnapped. They want to contact someone to hunt down the kidnappers and get the daughter back. Perhaps paying for this service, a bountiful payment no doubt... would this be better for Boba fett a litteral bounty hunter or Kenobi?
Another story about a man staying on tatooine, dealing with different threats on that planet. Swoop gangs, drug dealing Pike, added lore about the Tusken Raiders, and so on. Would this be a story for Obi-Wan, who has pledged to deal with threats to Luke based on Tatooine? Or a Bounty hunter Boba Fett?
By the Devines… you’re absolutely right! Perhaps they mixed up the scripts?
Kenobi and The Book of Boba Fett should've probably switched plots.
@@chocov1233 Oh dang! Maybe you're right, I actually think it could have been pretty good this way (sans ridiculous slapstick).
@@workingjellyfish It would be so funny if in a few years a random member of the Lucasfilm staff says in an interview that they sent the wrong scripts to the directors, only noticed after they recorded both series, and just rolled with it to keep the shows on schedule.
It's funny that your suggestion for how the Kenobi show should've been, already more or less, exists in the EU/Legends by a novel named ironically enough, Kenobi.
Forget this show exists and it doesn't change a thing.
“I wish that were so,” Qui-Gon Jinn.
That’s pretty much how I deal with most of Disney Star Wars, if it’s good, like Andor and Rogue One, I treat it as canon. If it sucks and damages characters or the world, like almost everything else, it has no attachment to the canon.
Watching the Leia child chase scene and very suddenly remembering that blasters have a stun setting.
There's also wrist mounted nets and grapples.
The first instance of the stun setting being used was even on leia on the tantivee 4.
She is also 9-10 there is no way she could run away from the kidnappers.
There's also grown men with long legs running and bending under a very visible tree branch lol that shit is brutal to watch
Also remember when light sabers cut through living beings like a hot knife and weren't bats. There is a scene were Obi-wans light saber bounces of a stormtroopers armor like it was a bat.
Yeah, I remember when one of the newer (and therefore canon!) Thrawn books was exploring how much worse order 66 could be if the clones had cortosis armor. The metal that's by itself not hard enough to serve as armor but it's ability to deflect Star Wars weaponry would have changed the landscape.
Now, if regular Stormtrooper armor can do this, what stakes would there be for that book? And that book serves as the new reason for Thrawn to be acknowledged as a genius by the emperor. And not only that: If regular armor can deflect a lightsaber, it would also deflect blaster bolts. Fighting would need to change as a result.
And that's kind of what annoys me about Disney canon. It's "make shit look cool", instead of "does this meaningfully add to the story?".
Here is a simple idea: They should have swapped the Boba Fett show and Obi Wan show.
Have Obi Wan STAY on Tatooine exclusively, spending his exile tormenting himself over the past, trying to reach Qui Gon through the force, and helping to hide Luke from the Empire (by interacting with other local characters and factions similar to Boba Fett's show). Then with the Boba Fett show you have him climb out of the sarlac pit, adjust his helmet, and go accept a bounty to rescue a missing girl. Boba is the hunter and he should be travelling the galaxy to redeem himself while Obi Wan is the Jedi who should be keeping the peace and meditating on the past.
I disagree.
I don't see how both shows could have stayed on Tatooine and not been well told stories that expand both characters in new and interesting ways.
The problem with Book of Boba Fett, besides bad scripts and terrible cinematography, was that it (much like most of the scrapped movies turned into TV shows) rushed the story it wanted to show and blew its load all in one season instead of stretching out and giving it time to breathe and become it's own story.
Imagine if the whole first season was a flashback showing us how Boba went from crawling out of the Sarlacc pit to sitting on Jabba’s throne and then next season was learning the intricacies of being a crimeboss while fending off those two Hutts like a proper mafia story?
@@Lobsterwithinternet Ofcourse a story where Boba stays on Tattooine could have worked, but it just seems so strange that they would deliberately reverse these characters and place them in scenerios where the other belonged.
Yes a story where Boba stays on Tattooine and slowly becomes a proper mafia boss could have worked regardless of the Obi Wan show, but the disney writers didn't even seem like they wanted to do that. In the end Boba's career as a mafia boss consisted of him helping gaggles of poor street urchins and other "dasdardly good deeds" like that.
Just a huge waste of potential all around.
When Bail Organa asked Obi Wan to go after Leia, Obi Wan should have said, "With the Inquisitor activity on Tatooine, I cannot leave, Senator. Sorry." The series should not have happened.
Bail could have called Ahsoka instead. Ahsoka was helping Bail in Rebels.
The reason that why Bail only contacted Obi-Wan and not Ahsoka is actually stated in the show.👍
@@adamtorske9236it's still bad writing regardless
@@memebrain2177 how is it when it was literally explained why he chose to contact Obi-Wan as he was one of the only people who had any idea about Leias true heritage and that it must be continued to be kept a secret. Also another thing is that Obi-Wan is literally Bails Jedi friend so it only seemed right to go to him for an urgent situation as this was.
@@adamtorske9236That reasoning is why Obi-Wan shouldn't have gone as his very presence would have outted the Organas as jedi collaborators and have them all arrested and executed.
The best outcome would have been to bring it up with the Imperial Senate. Then it would become an Imperial matter and, since Reva did this highly illegal thing off the books and without authorization against one of the most powerful members of the Empire, she would be hunted down and killed like a dog by her own bosses including Vader.
Obi-Wan wouldn't have had to lift a finger. Just stay where he was and let her plan fail all on its own.
Yeah sure I agree that involving Obi-Wan could make things worse for him and Bail, but that's why Obi-Wan was also trying so hard to basically keep the rescue a secret while also keeping his identity hidden. When he found Leia it was more her that was being so kinda adventurous in a way and not being so secretive. For example, that's why he even said, "You have no idea what I'm risking being here your Highness". It was clear that Obi-Wan was not very willing to help Bail and Breha either as he probably didn't believe in himself really anymore and that his duty was to watch over Luke only, but again, as I said before Obi-Wan was Bail's Jedi friend and in a way the only one he actually trusted with this rescue mission, even probably with risking themselves, another reason could be is that he could have maybe thought it would help give Obi-Wan some much needed closure about losing Anakin and the mistakes they both had made leading up to this point, with essentially encouraging Obi-Wan to get back in the fight. Another thing is that what literally happened to their homeworld with Bail and Breha on Alderaan 10 years later, the Empire probably had actually did figure it out, and that why its also probably one of the reasons why they had chosen Alderaan for the first test of the Death Star.
With your supposed best outcome, honestly, I think that would not even have been an option to ask the Imperial Senate and make it an Imperial matter because the one main reason, Emperor Palpatine, if he were to essentially tell the Imperial Senate, that would also get Palpatines attention and with seeing how he is, he would probably piece it all together and discover that Leia is actually Anakins daughter. Also, it was pretty evident that Bail didn't have much trust in the Imperial Senate, and thought that they probably wouldn't even care, as they don't care about anything else that doesn't affect them and their Galatic Empire, so why would he go to the Senate for help when he was also one of the members who was actively trying to take down the Empire hence the Rebellion. It was very important to keep Leia's true identity a secret, as the only three people who truly knew were, of course, Bail, Yoda, and Obi-Wan when she was born, having her identity be discovered could have been good at all, so who better to go to than one of the only people who know who she truly is, probably the most capable one, and finally the one who kinda needed the closure and peace from losing and essentially failing Anakin, as Bail basically said to Obi-Wan you couldn’t save Anakin, so go help and save his daughter.
There are many reasons that I could go on about, and explain your questions, but sometimes I wonder if you had actually even watched the show and also simply understood the whole state of the Galaxy at that point@@Lobsterwithinternet
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Thanks mate, we aim to please.
Not if I can help it!
Comparing Galen Marek to Rey is rediculous for 1 major reason, whilst Galen from forced unleashed was OP but made so for gaming purposes, he was trained by his father and then by Vader from a young age until adult hood! Rey was not! She gained powers because of plot not training! She was good with the force because VAGINA! Galen was powerful because he trained his entire life!
Not only that Galen was so strong in the Force he could pull Vader's blade from his hand mid swing, AT 5! and Vader thought he was a master. He could sense him but he couldn't tell he was only around the corner and then just right behind him? Plus like 15 or so years of constant training and straight up torture by Vader, Proxy and whatever else, with the goal of taking out Jedi Masters with ease? Who wouldn't be OP. Also both Lucas and Sam say Vader was holding back in both games so either Starkiller isn't all that OP or Vader is more OP than he should be.
@@OG-ColorfulAbyss.well it’s from legends have you seen the shit Vader can do in comics? I still think that’s a cop out to keep Vaders status though full potential he’d wipe starkiller but he’s so retardedly broken I think he’d be at least on par with Vader
Rey was OP because
V E G A N A
Not as ridiculous as your spelling! Ohhh!
I've been a star wars fan when i was a kid. Isn't Galen the scientist from rogue one, I'm so confused and Disney ain't making this easy to get back into it...
In a new hope the stormtroopers were "allowing" the gang to escape the death star in order to track the falcon to the rebel base this is why their accuracy was questionable ,
Leia even says after the escape that they were allowed to escape
Obi-Wan letting Vader live hurts Luke’s story. Obi-Wan keeps telling him that he needs to kill Vader and that there is nothing of his dad left. So it makes the scene so much more powerful when Luke spares him and Vader kills the Emperor. In the extended universe they even talk about how this makes Obi-Wan feel so guilty for abandoning Anakin so long ago. Some really great character writing that is not moot.
Twice now Obi Wan has let Vader live: afaic he's responsible for everything Vader did for the 13 years after that series is set. Vader was even begging Obi Wan to kill him: if he had, he'd have spared the galaxy much pain. What is his excuse the *second* time....
@@englishlady9797 disney has made obi wan a selfish hypocrite that spared vader while not believing there to be anything good in left left only for obi wan to turn around and plan for luke to one day kill his own father.
@@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk Yeah, I know. If Kenobi really believed there was no good left in Vader then sparing him makes no sense whatsoever. It would have been better for everyone for him to finish the job then and there, instead of allowing his evil to continue and more people to be hurt.
IDK whether they did it because they thought they were making Kenobi look good and "merciful" or something, but it doesn't do that at all. It only make him appear selfish, cowardly and downright irresponsible to have spared Vader *yet again*, and allowing him in the process to wreak more chaos.
That scene in Mandalorian where the two troopers are shooting, would have been so much better if they were actually hitting their targets. To actually bring back the fact that they are indeed accurate when they want to.
They were supposed to be the Galactic SS, superbly trained and ruthlessly competent, and utterly terrifying. There was a REASON they were called Stormtroopers, to evoke that word's specific real world weight into an unknown in 1977 fictional setting. The SS was nothing to joke about, and the Imperial Stormtroopers were never meant to be a joke. Well, until 1983 and Endor.
I hate when people use the arguments that the dialogue was never good, the acting was always cheesy….. the thing is, it could all be great. When Lucas started the franchise he had no money. When the originals were wildly successful there was plenty of money to hire fantastic writers to shape what George envisioned. George was not a writer or even a good director. He had a vision. Kirschner did a great job bringing it to life. But George didn’t like that. It’s the many extended universe stories and the Disney+ options we have , you can construct different story flavors to match an audience. Silly for kids. Deep and dark for us adults who have been enjoying it since 1977.
Indeed, the canvas is wide enough to cover all sorts. They just need a clear vision and talent to execute it.
Clear vision and talent are precisely what Disney lacks
You really don't know what you're talking about do you
George wrote the whole thing and most of the changes were on the fly and were a result of the actors, thus the prequels more wooden dialogue as the actors weren't as willing to go against George due to how massive Star Wars was
I think the acting and dialogue in the Original trilogy was top tier 10/10
Stormtroopers being actually deadly in Andor is such a breath of fresh air
I feel like I strongly remember the "Close the blast doors!" half of that stormtrooper exchange being added with the Special Edition, as well. It was not originally played for a joke at all.
The corridor scene in Rogue One didn't even need the data drive containing the plans being passed along in hectic Hollywood fashion. They could simply have been sent to the Tantive IV via wifi, and Vader was fighting his way to it before it could undock and escape.
No no no Star Wars has a disney problem
Holy shit.
I had watched/listened to the "Ahsoka and the crimes of Dave Filoni" video and then started playing this one, having it run on the side while I do other stuff. So I wasn't giving it my full visual attention, but when I heard a comment mentioned I went back to pause on it so I could read the full comment. In order to get the full comment and not just whatever is used in the video.
And then I realize it was mine when I saw the name.
As a massive fan of Star Wars since I was a kid and played with the Kenner toys, growing up with great EU stories and buying Star Wars merchandise (Just bought the Deagostini Falcon today to add it), it makes me proud to be featured in an Anti-Disney Star Wars video.
I agree that the Rogue One ending isn't as bad when it comes to breaking canon. Especially considering all the other shit they've done. You could say the same thing about Rogue One in it's entirety actually. Among Disney Star Wars best work.
Someone get this man to 1M Subs
Cheers mate, if I reach 1M Subs I'll buy a nuclear powered sub to celebrate.
Does anybody else keep seeing Working Jellyfish's collar and tie as his smile and tongue?
I didn't but I can see it now.
Welp. Can't unsee it now 😂
The line ¨Evertime I watch, I hope they miss, but they never do¨ hits close to home, I was a teenager, and Star Wars Ep III was the first Star Wars I saw in theaters, it broke my heart and I cried seeing the Jedi die like dogs.
“Execute Order 66” and John Williams’ score still haunt me. It’s brilliant.
There’s the theory that stormtroopers were told to take it easy on the OG New Hope front because the plan was to let them leave so they could be tracked.
I can see that theory holding water.
“Are they away? Are you sure the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship?”
It’s an older theory but it checks out.
This isn’t even a theory, it’s outright stated in the film that they were let go. Of course the stormtroopers would not want to kill them. They don’t know which one of them is the pilot, for example, so they can’t really risk killing anyone if they want to find out where they take Leia and the plans.
@@Silveiriasalso there is a scene where Han chases two stormtroopers around a corner and there is a whole company there just trying not to be seen by the rebels. If you pay attention Stormtroopers always stomp the rebels, the only times they don't they are letting the Rebels win. In a new hope it was to let them escape and in Jedi it was to draw them into a trap.
So what's the reason again that the Stormtroopers can't aim in ALL THE OTHER SCENES?
@sidnew2739 which scenes? The hero characters obviously have some amount of plot armor. If you actually check the assault on the tantive iv, the stormies are trashing the rebels while also being more accurate than them
Kenobi letting Vader live is like Guyladriel finally discovering Sauron, then letting him walk away, THEN not telling the other elves who that Halbrand guy really is.
All the death and destruction at the hands of Vader and Sauron is now due to negligence by characters who are supposed to be the heroes.
Thanks for the video! 🙏😎
Technically everything Vader did since Mustafar is on Obi-Wan for not finishing the job plus somehow never hearing about Vader for 10 whole damn years.
@@OG-ColorfulAbyss. Yep. Yep. Thanks for saying this. Disney then also tried to make Vader as sloppy as Obi Wan, but having him just walk off and leave an injured Reva (who was obviously going to survive- I mean come on he stabbed her in the same place before and she lived...) I mean say what you like about Vader, but he was *never* sloppy like that. If he thought a person posed a potential threat, he would kill them and make absolutely certain they would not be back. Leaving an enemy injured was not Vader's style: he'd have killed them. He'd make sure he finished the job.
My two cents for what its worth: I think the whole Leia storyline was created purely to account for why Leia named her son Ben in the sequels.
That could be. I also think it's likely that Kathleen Kennedy insisted Leia was in it because she think Star Wars is a girl brand now.
I couldn't get through the first episode of this show, I saw the shaky cam when Riva threatened the people on Tatooine, the camera was shaking like the operator was having an epileptic fit.
and the only thing that is happening in that scene is that Riva is walking around slowly and threatens the populous in general and Uncle Owen in particular.
is just thought to myself, "If the camera work is this bad already then why should I subject myself to the rest"
Sometimes I think that epilepsy is now a requirement to become a Hollywood operator.
8:09 I feel like this scene could work with just a small tweak. Make the second guy hit it on his first shot. And then a patented Marvel quip or a deadpan stare.
Great video! Its wild that this only has 2.9K views. You're on the verge of exploding man, keep it up. I'm subbed! ❤
Welcome to the sheltered harbour, and thank you.
5:26 Ok so in my opinion there’s an in universe reason explanation as to why stormtroopers are so inaccurate (besides rarely, if ever, actually looking down the sights). The E11 blaster, from my understanding, isn’t a laser rifle but a plasma rifle, firing a bolt of superheated plasma at the target (please let me know if I’m wrong this is just my understanding of it) and given that, it is implied to have recoil. The E11 also has, believe it or not, a folding stock, WHICH NOBODY FRICKING USES. So I believe these guys are just trying to body the recoil with their arms instead of actually using the brace.
That actually makes a lot of sense. Good one.
Yay, The Jellyfish is back!
I was always here, you just weren’t ready to see me. Not really, that’s stupid.
Things I don't understand for this show are (besides being mostly the entire show)
1. Why would you have Obi-Wan meet Darth Vader at all. It demininshes the scene in A New Hope
2. At this point I'm so sick of the "ugh I've lost touch with the force ugh". Like why would Obi-Wan stink at using the force when his whole point is to look over and train Luke. Kinda a stinky let down of a teacher if you ask me.
3. Reva
4. Why would Bale hire Obi-Wan when he knows he's hiding in secrecy. Like bruh how'd you get this number?
5. I always assumed Leia and Obi-Wan never met. Like Leia was told about Obi-Wan and how he could help her with the empire, but never actually met her
6.. Why copy the scene with Ahsoka from Rebels
7. I also feel like Reva coming into contact with Luke and exposing him to the fact the force is real also ruins things
When Jabba The Hut's Niece and Nephew were paraded in like the Garfield Balloon at the MACY'S THANKSGIVING DAY PARADE it was GAME OVER.
12:50 Most of the stuff Palpatine is throwing benefits from gravity also making them falling objects, so I have no problem with this.
Similarly, TFU scene always criticised i.e. Starkiller “pulling” down a Star Destroyer, in the book (which afaik is the canon version of events rather than the gameplay) is him just trying to manoeuvre an already falling Star Destroyer.
Agreed, I had no issues with episode three in that regard, as there was both a narrative and symbolic reason for the scene.
I’ve not read TFU novel, but I am also forgiving of the game, because it’s a game.
There's two kind of Star Wars fans, those who listen to Yoda, and those who think you couldn't pull a Star Destroyer out of orbit with the force.
@@Kalmera6238 It's pretty crazy though, still. Galen Marek is a wonderful character but if he was actually pulling the star destroyer down, a ship 1.6km long, it'd be OP. He's young as Hell! Guiding it makes more sense. At least in the EU, the ancient Sith Lords who could pull that off were at the height of their power. Tulak Hord pulled down a ship from orbit, but he's a figure of legend and the ship was only the size of a small frigate in comparison.
Honestly tho, it's mostly because Starkiller fanboys can be really annoying, they do NOT shut up about the star destroyer scene😭
Well another thing to remember is that if you're for example using the force to stop an incoming car (humor me) you could use the force entirely to stop the mass of the car a no doubt deeply exhausting though possible exercise, or you could use the force to engage the breaks.
Maybe the secret isn't that figures like Starkiller pulled down the whole mass of a Star Destroyer against it's own power of suspension, but rather that they used the force to interfere with the native suspension of the craft.
Edit AKA why size doesn't matter.
@@MarikHavair The book version of TFU clarifies that the Star Destroyer is already falling down.
The discussion of stormtrooper accuracy reminded me of a major complaint I had about s2 of The Mandalorian (never actually watched s3). And that's that the bad guys can never hit any of the good guys, *except* for the one dude wearing blaster-proof armor, who they can hit all the time. Some level of plot armor is normal, even unavoidable in heavily action-based series, but doing that really brought it to the forefront in a way that rubbed me the wrong way.
Jonathan Frakes at 30:44 was great, you watch TNG at all?
I know I'm probably in the minority, but I liked the series overall and did enjoy seeing some of Leia as a child. For me Obi-Wan's state of mind comes from the idea that everything he knew had been destroyed by his own apprentice and the guilt he felt over that. As for his mission with Luke, to me it's easy to understand that many people have plans but then fall far short of it, or even altogether. Obi-Wan living on a world like Tatooine, and hearing year by year of the atrocities of the Empire on people he once swore to protect, could little by little eat away at his resolve to be the trainer of the galaxy's salvation. I will concede, that him burying his lightsaber and closing himself off to the Force completely is an odd thing to put in there, because as you said, what would he have done if Luke did actually face a threat that needed Jedi intervention. That being said, there were a couple of things I would've liked to see, some of it pulled from written works:
1. Conversations between Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon where he assures him Luke will be safe because Vader can't bring himself to return to Tatooine because of it forcing him to face his past. Vader, deep down, knows he made terrible choices but has to live under the delusion that he was correct because facing the truth would be extremely overwhelming for him. That and Qui-Gon saying that while he and Kenobi could communicate, there were reasons why Qui-Gon did not tell him about certain events from Anakin's past, like his slaughter of the Tusken Raiders.
2. The homeless clone Obi-Wan saw, I think it could've been interesting if the clone recognized him, but now no longer under the control of the inhibitor chip, felt tremendous guilt over his role in the destruction of the Jedi. He could've been used to as a way for Obi-Wan and Leia successfully escaping the planet from Reva and the others by sacrificing himself as a way of atoning for the past.
3. More of Sideous telling Vader his obsession on hunting Jedi, Kenobi in particular, was a waste of time and doing nothing to further his growth as a Sith. I enjoyed the fight between Kenobi and Vader because it demonstrates that Vader's emotions while fighting Kenobi ultimately cause him to lose. Compared to when he fought Reva, he didn't even break a sweat because she is nothing to him.
Enjoying your channel, look forward to more.
the flicker of sheer terror in the lead Rebel trooper (in Rogue One) before he grits his teeth and opens fi.. then dies. Amazing....
I love to see that "Obi-Wan, the negotiator" as Grievous called him once, who's Venator was literally called The Negotiator forgot how to negotiate
I just don't care about the rest, I don't consider these newer shows canon anyway
I’d always expected Kenobi would be show following a battle scared man coming to terms with his life as a former child soldier, having maimed his best bud in a battle to the death and now descended into isolated alcoholism and occasional self reflection + meditation on Tatooine. 30 years later, he’s recovered somewhat and gained some perspective on his actions, both good and bad.
As with all these Disney wars shows, there’s no respect for the characters; they do what the plot demands. It’s should be the other way round.
I hate the argument that we shouldn't care about the quality of movies made for kids. Shouldn't we care even more that kids are seeing quality stories with good morals and life lessons? Also, who is going to be watching the movie with the kids? What do they think PG means? Mostly, it annoys me because most of the mistakes being made are mistakes I've seen film students be embarrassed to make. If someone doesn't want to put the effort into their job to do it well, just step aside and let someone with respect for the art do it. I don't think I've seen many modern filmmakers or writers accept that they just made something that wasn't well liked. That alone would go far in fixing the reputation of Star Wars.
Man, I consume Star Wars very passively, I have no emotional stake in it, but had this show playing in the background and SEVERAL times I squinted at it like "Wait... But why?" or "You can't just...walk around?" or "That makes the actual opposite of sense". The only impactful thing I took away from the entire show was the fact someone was keeping dead padwans as wall decorations.
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I literally made zero comparisons between those two things...
This might just be a you thing i dont know.
Firstly i want to be clear, i liked this show...
But its kinda crap.
It was my first experience in actually liking crap so i didn't have the knowledge to see that it was, in fact, crap.
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Now, the one major problem i have with the idea that obiwan wouldn't be in this deshelved state, is that kind of assumes a man who has lost everything can't question himself for a period of time.
It assumes obiwan has to react rationally to a situation that is otherwise irrational.
Which is the same argument people make for Luke skywalker in the sequel trilogy, the difference being that luke was supposed to be a person who never gave up despite the odds, a represtnation of the very concept of hope.
Hence the title of the first film, a new hope.
Whereas obiwan is, has, and always will be the good old boy.
Well, maybe not has always been, but since the prequels came out, he's the standard for what a jedi should be.
Or at least as is defined by his era, his generation of jedi.
In the originals obiwan is supposed to be the grizzled old war veteran going on his last mission. And also a mentor.
My point is, the reason luke can and should continue in despite of eveything and obiwan might not, is because their concepts have always been fundamentally different.
Obiwan is the valiant knight, a representation of a bygone era, a war veteran who's here to teach the next generation.
Luke is the next generation, and a symbol of hope.
One can fall, the other should not, at least not without SHOWING ME the fall.
And even then there should be a bounce back, since the idea has always been hope.
And surrounded by darkness, only hope shines through.
So I can see obiwan falling into this position of desperation but not luke, because of the intentions behind their characters.
Obiwan isn't an optimist.
He isn't a symbol of hope.
Even in the original triology you can see he's pretty cynical.
Of all the characters in starwars, I can see obiwan falling into this trap, becomming desperate and disheartened.
He's a man who's lost eveything he's ever known.
And has now been tasked with a mission.
Now, completely cutting himself off from the force doesn't make sense.
But, struggling to maintain that connection due to something like PTSD would be very interesting. We see this in canon even, with a charcater by the name of cal kestis.
That's what they should've done, given the show more time to show the effects of the war on his mind and even his connection to the force.
Which could also explain another reason as to his hesitancy in using the force.
Problem is, THE SHOW DOESN'T BOTHER TO.
Also, I honestly dont have any problem with the concept of the force being like riding a bicycle, once you learn how you never fully forget, even if you don't do it for years.
And are you genuinely saying obiwan lifting and moving rocks around is power creep?
I, I just don't understand this complaint and I really probably never will.
Teleknisis is one of the most basic forms of force power. And is in fact one of the easiest to learn.
Despite learning it still being difficult.
Luke can do it without finishing his training for gosh sakes, obiwan has had jedi training his entire life.
Just because you haven't seen it before doesn't mean the character can't do it.
It just means they've chosen not to for some reason.
R2d2 suddenly has rockets in the prequels he didn't have before in the original trilogy, heck guy is practically a swiss army knife, where were all those fancy gadgets in the originals?
Are you going to compain about that too?
I don't know, it just seems like a non issue to me.
Anyway, that's just my 2 cents you didn't ask for.
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Someone correct me if im wrong but in terms of raw force power wasn't Obi-Wan considered one of the weakest masters of all time but he was accepted as a master because of how skilled he was at using his abilities and his skills in lightsaber combat witch was a highly defensive form whare he slowly wore down his opponents.
Yup!
i dont care what some officials say, it's NOT Pronounced "Tan-Te-Vee" !!!! It's "Tan-Tiv"!!! Always been! For 40 years! Just because some new dork among lucasfilm doesnt know his shit it doesnt make this pronounciation canon!
As a lifelong Dark Forces fan, I simply can't acknowledge Rouge One.
George at least hand a hand in it's creation (A story regarding blasting stromtroopers, an old game interview), he gave Lucasarts his approval on it's story.
Ph, and funny thing people forget: Stormtroopers are average, regular humans under that armor, not the highly skilled killing machines bred for only war like the Clones were. So take that into mind when judging their accuracy.
there's gonna be a edit version of kenobi by the team behind andor who are turning it into a full length film.
I’m not sure even the Andor team could save that show. But given that is was meant to be a movie, I guess there’s no harm in trying.
@@workingjellyfishI know I’m late to the discussion but they are even going out of their way to add additional scenes, which gives me hope for them making the “film” better
Where you hear this from, source? I follow many SW content channels and I've never heard this?
Wait...people remember that there was a tracking device on the falcon right? That they were SUPPOSED to escape? Stormtroopers were instructed to miss, this entire escape was meant to look realistic so they were essentially "selling it" like in WWE match.
As a former UFC world heavyweight champion I can confirm after 10 years of retirement I have completely forgotten how to throw a punch.
Are you Tim Sylvia?
Worth noting with the 11:16 power levels, Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes is a pay-to-win mobile game where, at the time of the introduction of a new ultra-powerful "rarity" of character TROS was just released, so Rey and Supreme Leader Kylo Ren were the first to have such positions. Grand Master Yoda, meanwhile, is a character who is, in the game, more easily obtainable and older, and as such weaker. Since then, several older characters have been given similar higher power levels, including ROTS Jedi Master Kenobi and ROTJ Leia Organa.
26:15 Correction, not telling that there is even a plan.
5:55 I think it's three unrealated things that initially gave stormtroopers their bad aim...in A New Hope we have the scene with Ben talking about how the blaster shots were to accurate for raiders, it had to be stormtroppers...second, in The Phantom Menace we see the raiders bulls-eyeing POD-RACERS with SLUG rifles...third, there must be allowances made for plot armor when you have so many blaster bolts flying around all the time...so it ends up seeming like a big joke...but most of the movies also follow force users who can deflect and evade blasters, when we see troopers during The Clone Wars, they're actually pretty damn good shots (partially related to the plot armor point, poor AAyla)...
12:17 What are you talking about? They're just having a round-table discussion...
The negotiations were short
The entire premise for this movie-turned-show was Vader's line in RotJ saying "Obi-Wan once thought as you do." That's it. That's what got this story greenlit when denied in the past. Nobody questioned the fact that Kenobi and Anakin had a preexisting relationship that would give Vader his insights. Everything about this show is wrong. None of the character actions or motivations make any sense, and it breaks the continuity in ways that could've easily been avoided. Had they simply adapted the Kenobi book by JJM, throwing in a couple scenes from the current SW comics that featured Obi-Wan's Journal, this show would've been great.
That sequence with Irvin Kershner is THE reason why empire is widely regarded as by far the best sw. One more lesson that Disney didn't bother to learn.
SW is dead Long live Andor.
I think Obiwan should never have left tatooine. This should have been a show about the problems Obiwan solved and dealt with ON TATOOINE. Defending Owens farm from Asharad hett and the sand people. Saving Luke from a sand storm. Speaking with Quigon. Reacting to news of what the empire is doing. Nearly going mad because of the solitude. Becoming the old wise Jedi master we saw in A New Hope.
I have always been of the opinion that Obi-Wan, like Han Solo, didn't need any added story to them.
Solo was useless because the main character development of Han Solo happens in A New Hope. Before that he was a good for nothing nerf herder smuggler. We don't really need to see what the Kessel Run actually is, because it was mostly part of his mythos.
With Obi-Wan he was in a "hiatus" between the two trilogies. He had one mission: Watch over Luke. And since Luke was never in any danger, there was nothing for him to do.
That's really the can of worms George Lucas opened upon the world with the prequels - now everything can be "told" as a story. There's no more mythos. Just look at how almost any tie in show to anything these days is some form of prequel. That way you don't need to invent new things. The issue is - sometimes telling the story about a "thing from the past" ruins the mystery, replacing it with actuality. It's a Schrodinger's cat. Before you make a prequel, the story is undefined. Everyone can have an idea about what actually happened. Once you make the prequel, all those thoughts become obsolete - now there's only ONE correct story... no matter how good it might be.
True! And wasn’t everything we imagined the prequels to be for 20 years infinitely better than what we got!
@@davidanderson4748 Exactly. For the longest time the Prequels were quite loathed by the Star Wars fandom.
That's why ultimately any form of prequel is so damned difficult to pull off.
I'm trying to think of a prequel to an established franchise that's actually good.
I haven't seen the show, but I think there are interesting things to be done with a "Kenobi" show/movie.
First is the hunt for Jedis, reintroducing Sith inquisitors from the EU was nice, and since the rule of 2 exists, they can be weaker than a actual Sith.
As for a Vader/Obiwan confrontation, have the primary plot be about Obiwan trying to assassinate Vader, so as to finish the job. Maybe Luke/Leia could be what draws out Vader, which could give Obiwan a bit of a ruthless side. Of course, Obiwan will fail, and whatever buddies he brought with him(maybe even another fugitive Jedi) would all die. It would be a somber ending, but it would at least show Obiwan doing all he can to hurt the empire, and essentially acts as his final hurrah before going quiet on Tatooine.
As for gaining more powers, they could show Obiwan looking into the ancient mysteries of the Jedi and Sith, again using the EU as reference. This would allow him to kill all of Vader's inquisitors in the final fight, but after losing to Vader, he loses these power-ups.
I really liked Rogue One, so this might sound a bit similar
Sooo just completely ignore and act like the OT never happened and doesn't exist?
They stole from fallen order.
They stole from more than that.
TBH: The only scene I consider Vader's true OP scene was his hallway slaughter in Rogue one.
A well written medium makes you want to ask questions of wonder and curiosity
Not ask why some aspect don't make any sense
3:49 I may not be a SW fan, I only like the reviews and passion behind fans, but arguing that you should not take something seriously because "Movie about space wizards" is extremely dumb, should I not take Avatar the last airbender seriously because is a series about a bald kid playing with pebbles and water against evil fire dude? There are so many silly things going on in the entire series, or what about Infinity Train? It's a series about a bunch of people in a weird train going through a fart wagon, a silly dog kingdom, a gorilla with tubas on her back, etc. Or One Piece, you know, the series that deals with slavery, government corruption, dictatorships, rewriting of history, brainwashing, revolution, and being real to one's ideals, is the same series where a stupid monkey gum, guy is the mc, a big nose guy is scared of everything, and a green haired idiot cannot walk in a straight line without getting lost, you should not take Hiruluk's suicide seriously because is a silly show about magic pirates doing silly things like catching a giant monster with their bare hands just to eat it.
in the scene of Leia getting shot i never noticed before Harrison Ford grabs Carrie Fishers boob
I've never pronounced Tantive IV either of the ways presented in this video. It's always just been "tan-tiv" in my head.
I say that Disney turned Obi Wan into Peter Pan: apparently Force powers work through Happy Thoughts.....
I loved those two things too sir. That show was over for me when they blew them up.
Maybe some of those clumsy stormtroopers should see a space optometrist! 😎✅
Kinda weird that you're so critical of Disney's errors, but then just kinda laugh off the errors Lucas made in the prequels. He created a weak foundation to start with.
His ultimate mistake was making them out of order
I love the one or two people who try to blame the prequels for Disney Star Wars. Not understanding the difference.
Because it's comparing a spill to a building wreckage
@@memebrain2177 The prequels were very much considered a wreckage as well. I’m strictly an OT fan.
How did they create a "weak foundation"?
Original trilogy stormtroopers were a force clearly spread thin with supply issues. They were good enough to meet a base standard and overwhelm their enemies. Now they are an absolute joke. As far as jokes and light heartedness, Lucas always balanced the seriousness with the light heartedness. Like a good writer and movie creator should.... Hacks are hacks, meaning they are about fan service and not about the stories.
Patterson cut make a lot of justice for what in the really bottom this story could have try to tell, that my canon version right now
Ok here's a question I have. Why does everyone get upset at Luke going into exile when Obi-Wan and Yoda did the same thing after the fall of the Jedi Order? Yoda and Obi-Wan (some of the greatest Jedi) cut themselves off from the Force and hid on remote planets. The only reason I can think of is that we already knew where they were going to end up in the OT so it didn't bother people. Would love to hear the other side of this argument
Obi-Wan and Yoda went into hiding for a very good reason: the empire took over the galaxy and were hunting down Jedi. After ROTJ that was no longer the case.
Yeah but the First order was a thing too. They were also hunting Force sensitives and actively looking for Luke
@@donovangomez9489I don't think people automatically disliked the fact that Luke was in exile. The problem is that his reason for going into exile was so disappointing. If he was hiding from the First Order or some other more legitimate reason it would have been better received.
So a few major lore breaking or just downright stupud moments in Kenobi
- For a start Qui Gon's Force Ghost should not have been there. The prequels and The Clone Wars made it clear that Qui Gon *could not* manifest as a FG and they even told us why (he never completed his training before his death). According to Revenge of the Sith, only his voice could be heard, but he could not actually appear.
- Leia knew ObI Wan and yet never mentioned it to Luke (or anyone else). Like not even once: even when Luke was visibly mourning and would have been comforted by the realization she had known him too.
- Luke himself seems to forget he met Kenobi as a child, and that Kenobi gave him the toy x-wing.
- Vader's true identity was meant to have been a very closely gaurded secret known to few within the Empire. Yet Reva discovered it easily. Also, why would Vader accept as an Inquisitor a person who knew his true identity? He's more likely just kill her.
- Also, how on earth did Reva discover the connection between Leia, Vader and the Organas? This also was meant to be top secret information known only to Yoda, Bail and Obi Wan. It was not recorded and was not a matter of public record.
- Vader allowing Reva to just escape, with her being privy to sensitive information which could hurt the Empire? Why did ht just not make sure he killed her? Vader is not sloppy.
- Kenobi dropping a commlink with a secret message from the Organas and revealing Luke's location in the middle of an Imperial facility. The only reason Luke doesn't die as a result of Kenobi's incompetence here is because of the oh so convenient plot device of Reva suddenly having a change of heart.
- Purely on the basis of this incomptetent negligence, Kenobi should never have been trusted with protecting Luke thereafter. Even without considering the fact he abandoned his post *twice*, at the behest of the Organas.
.... speaking of which.
- If Bail and Breha were so concerned about people finding out Leia was not in fact, their biological child (as is implied in the series_ why did they adopt a girl who grew up to be the spitting image of Padme, in the first place? Why did they allow her to become involved with the Rebellion, an action which not only drew attention to her but endangered them.
- If they wanted someone to find their daughter without drawing attention to themselves, why not just hire a bounty hunter?
A bounty hunter like Boba Fett?
I do say sir do not compare Austin powers to this show that trilogy had consistently
Yoda and i Cry with you little jellyfish, you and us wish they missed
It is tough but me and my brother go back and forth at eachother cuz i think Kenobi is the worst Star Wars show, but he thinks Book of Boba is
Oh, so basically Kenobi was a Macguffin and a puppet given the role of the protagonist.
1:11 so basically, it has to at the very least match the same level of respect Hayao Miyazaki gave to Lupin the 3rd. Got it.
Oh no, for you see, the show explains away why Obi-wan and Leia seem oblivious of each other. Because at the end, Obi wan says they have to pretend that they never ever saw each other because...reasons. It's fine and Disney Star Wars gives me boners...is what some fanboy would say. Lol
It's like that episode of _Star Trek: Enterprise_ when Starfleet runs into the Ferengi two centuries before the supposed first contest in _Star Trek: The Next Generation._ The Ferengi never said the word "Ferengi" so it totally makes sense.
She literally slapped a guy with a helmet … and stunned him…. Is she a dnd monk?
“Is it possible to learn this power?”
@@workingjellyfish “ Not from a Jedi…”🤣
Kenobi was the singular WORST thing to be slapped with the star wars label since the year 2000
I vaguely recall screaming at the TV when I first watched it.
Even worse than The Acolyte? I don't consider The Acolyte just a bad Star Wars show but one of the worst TV shows period.
@@BiggieTrismegistus yes. Kenobi was as a larger affront to Star Wars fans than Acolyte was. At least you can basically just ignore ALL of the Acolyte. Kenobi? Just RUINED one of the best characters in the Star wars galaxy. Kenobi is the worse star wars series.
To be fair if you’ve read the various books and comics, Anakin has the power to stop a starship bigger than a CR-90 with ease.
I think at this stage the actors are just happy to act together and at least Ewan and Hayden got to do that, which the three OT actors didn't.
Reva and Leia are okay in the series but there is a bit too much of them. This is what I think should have happened
No prequel recap at the beginning, that's just lazy
Obi wan sees a poster of Darth Vader and this brings back memories, which causes him to have bad dreams, but one of those dreams is of him being pulled into a fire by Vader, so that could be a prediction. Now he understands how Anakin felt when Anakin had dreams about his mother and Padmé, this is flashbacks should be used.
He goes to see Organa (leaving Luke unprotected) because he needs a friendly face. Also other Jedi are being killed by the inquisitors so he needs to get away for his sake and Luke's protection.
While Obi wan is visiting Organa, Leia is kidnapped by Reva's gang, because of Organa, not Obi wan and it is all just a coincidence
Organa asks Obi wan to help him rescue Leia and Obi Wan goes to rescue Leia undercover, and this is why he needs the help of the rebels. At some point Obi wan needs to use the force while rescuing Leia realises that he is a Jedi, but not Obi Wan.
Reva recognises Obi wan and works out there must be a connection to Leia and eventually works out that Leia is Vader's daughter. She goes to tell Vader but is overcome with emotion that she cannot control and when she see's Vader's back to her, she attempts to kill him and this is where we get the battle between Reva and Vader, and also we see her flashbacks to order 66. Vader kills Reva and her last word to Vader is Leia. Vader doesn't think any more of it, but he senses Obi wan.
Vader knows Obi wan is close by because of other events and then we get the scene between them, which is the first time they meet for real.
I'm willing to bet Obi-wan did develop Alzheimer's after not remembering Leia in Episode V either... Almost like she was never supposed to be Luke's sister to begin with...
Omg stellar opener
Obi Wan series was bad. I watched 3 episodes and stopped. Book of Boba Fett was bad. I eeked through the whole thing thinking it would get good. These two shows were directly responsible for me cancelling my Disney+ ( and that Pinocchio show) so I didn’t see Andor. Was it good? I doubt it. Didn’t see Mando season 3 but have seen reviews and glad I didn’t waste my time. Lucasfilm and Star Wars need new leadership and honestly Felloni is not it.
Believe it or not, Andor was good. A bit slow and overindulgent with some of its side characters, but based on my metric “a fine addition”.
Hey those were clones not storm troopers
They're completely different armies
One are precise shooters
The others are good soldiers who follow orders
While I agree with just about everything you're saying I would caution against the "because George did it" line of reasoning.
Today the "filmmakers" don't even care to make series, movies consistent with existing ones. Look at the brain dead Marvel films and the 3232 spiderman films with no clues or connection even with in the same variant or version of them .
Digging your content, top notch.
Awww, shucks. 🐙
this is the most half assed lazy show ive ever had the mis fortune to watch i think a gang of 5 year olds wrote the story and certainly the action scenes . i mean the whole barrier is the dessert that out hero never noticed he could just walk around was pathetic beyond belief plus i could write a novel on all its other problems
Amazing review
Well just like George they can just change rogue one with correct name, they could just change the whole last 3 movies and just replace them with something good
Hmm, I know the point you're trying to make is that you shouldn't make the bad guys too incompetent because that destroys any possible tension and it also carries a lot of other problems, so there's not really any requirement for the bad guys to be stormtroopers as opposed to some other thing, but I just want to point out that those guys gently putting the jedi to sleep at 10:36 are in fact clones, not stormtroopers. Those two things are even more different than stormtroopers and snowtroppers(as I'm sure you probably know), and I think the general consensus is that clones are a lot more capable than stormtroppers. Feels weird to even comment this because I agree with everything that's said so far, just thought that specific example was a bit out of place.
I appreciate the distinction, that clip was inserted for comedic effect.
can't believe losers complained about that bad ass scene from rogue one with vader
i just realized the heroes miss a lot in the original movies to. yet we arnt making jokes about them not hitting crap.
oh and i do love OP force powers if they are earned but Darth was an OP dualist more than a force user and his powers were more physical enhancing himself than anything using his rage and the pain his suit gave him to crush any and all challengers
The amount of people who know of "Kenobi" yet NONE of the so called "Jedi Killers" tried to annihilate (Thanks Google search auto-correct and not retarded PC built-in Google auto-correct missing the mark by planets...) him is absolutely fucking sad...EVEN DARTH VADER IN HIS PRIME sucks at fighting a guy who does nothing but run away, at least the younglings didn't run away...Maybe why Anakin slayed them so easily, because the Jedi were always trash and couldn't protect shit, much like EVERY GODAMN SURVIVOR of order 66...
Star Wars was already family friendly. Making it more family friendly makes it lose any and all relevance. And don't worry Diney writers. Even when you overexplain everything to make sure even the doofy people get it, we all still hate the stories anyway, so good job. lol
putting andor on there is evil
Lets face it, the only true star wars is George lucas star wars, everything else is just imitation. Apart from rogue one, and fallen order video game, as they dont contradict Geoege Lucas vision. Its why i stay away from Disney star wars movies, tv series, and merch.
“TAN-tiv 4” ;)
I’m going to keep calling it the blockade runner. 🐙
Think your video title has it backwards, star wars has a disney problem!!
100th like so I had to also become your 800th sub. Great vids
Thanks for the look, like and sub. 🐙
@@workingjellyfish Congrats on hitting 1000. I'm going to suggest you for EFAP (if you're interested) because I think you'd be a great voice on a guest spot and it'd put much deserved eyes on you and your content.
@@yagamifire7861 Thanks mate, I'd be very humbled to get a guest spot on EFAP. Those lads (particularity Mauler) have been a bit of an inspiration for me.
Star wars ended with ROTJ
The biggest way Rogue One breaks canon is obvious. Mon Mothma says it was Bothan spies who stole the Death Star plans, not some ridiculously hot brunette from the UK. In my book, that alone makes it non canon.
Your confusing the scenes in A New Hope and Return of the Jedi, as it's in RotJ that Mon Mothma mentioned the Bothans.
@Lobsterwithinternet I never referenced the movie, and its irrelevant regardless. Bothans stole the plans, not Sexy Rogue One Girl
@@MrAweeze My point is that comment about Bothan spies dying was about the second Death Star, not the first.
@@MrAweezeBothans stole the plan for the SECOND Death Star, not the first one.
It's really not that hard to understand, is it?
@@sidnew2739 nope