Quick Overview MX4SIO - For Use with PS2 and OPL (English, 2022)
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- Опубліковано 3 січ 2022
- Today's video is a quick overview of MX4SIO, where if you have a ps2 that can boot special build of OPL, then you can boot games off a sd to microsd adapter that is inserted into slot 2. The project does require some soldering, see link below for a reference schematic.
Enjoy!
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Music track "Happy Rock": www.bensound.com
MX4SIO schematic: imgur.com/elpocuf
OPL 1629 build: www.psx-place.com/threads/mx4...
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What better way to start the new year than with a new PS2 project? If you have done MX4SIO yourself, please let us know how you like it and hopefully the project will get better as time goes on. Enjoy!
Thank you for taking the time to make these videos for the community, grear work as always!
I've also seen they already sell the memory cards with everything soldered and everything, in case someone has no experience.
@@Angel-jv5zv good to know, where like aliexpress?
@@Angel-jv5zv The official adapter would be available when the software development has more progress and the hardware development is finished. Don't buy the unfinished adapters. Instead wait until it's finished and buy an official one to support the devs.
@@Anakin94 There's a video that has covered those memory cards, with no issues.
Yes, the best would be to buy an official one from the Devs.
what format does the sd card have to be in? this is amazing!
Dude, thats awesome! You did a pretty good job soldering too! I'm glad the PS2 community are getting some more attention. I really enjoy OPL!
i love all your ps2 videos. been watching for years. this is another really good one thanks.
Sounds neat! Thanks for this video man :)
thank you for making this video. i followed your instructions and also had 2 tries before i got it to work. i used an sd module instead as its easier to solder vs the sd adaptor
Thanks for hooking me up with those MX4SIOs, they work great!
PS2 is timeless, I really appreciate how the AetherSX2 emulator has come out, HDMI mods and now stuff like this, Sony needs to get their shit together and have good backwards compability running emulation on the PS5 or something..
sadly the ps5 can only ps4 and ps5 games only
Get a series X & ps3 cfw modded & your done . You can all play gen games like i did i even had ps2 modded & ps1
Better still, they could just release a PS123 for retro-gaming and universal compatibility. Sadly, Sony is run by whackjobs who will never allow it.
@@azurekite3870 the p4 has a hidden p1 p2 and psp emulator, i wouldent put it past sony to have that, besides when the p5 hack drops u should be able to play old disk on the disk version
PS2 modding is getting better and better
No PCSX2 is getting better and better 🤣😂😂
i did mine too 3d printed the shell and made a custome circuitboard and it worked amazing thank you :)
Great tip on the Pademu. I had this problem with MvC2 and this fixed it right up!
beautiful work i love it!
I have been wanting to do this for a while now. Good to see in english
Yes, glad to make it myself too.
Wow I never thought you could just plug an adapter card on the ps2 men slot with just a resistor amazing thank you
Nice work!
Man this is so awesome.
Dude it’s awesome you made your own brah
I am intrigued... Love a good soldering project too.
This is incredible.
Awesome. I just might pull out my old ps2 for this.
This is something that could definitely be made into a PCB and 3d printed shell. Hmmmmmmm
Which the original MX4SIO *IS* !
China will copy this ,and then will sell on aliexpress
@@albertasandruskevicius9683 Yes... We know...
@@albertasandruskevicius9683 when that happens, everyone can enjoy its benefits. Although the creator should have the credits
if this fixes the fmv then it'll be really cool anyways thanks versatile as always ❤️
Dude I'm so glad u were able to get this built. I don't understand how this is not talked about more. I speak Spanish so I understood perfectly all the other tutorials. The comparison vs the USB slot is a huge difference
Probably because it's much better to use a raspberry pi via the ethernet port/network adapter or a hard drive.
Congratulation!!! Awesome!!!
This is amazing. 2022 and we still can see another cool stuff that came out for PS2! Such potential, still not exhausted after two decades after release, PS2 continue tosurprise me time and time again!
I 100% want to buy one.
way cool project. Guess I will give it a go.
Is that a PS1 memory card you used?
Yeah....Any card will do. Only that there are contacts is important. But 2MB/s is faster than USB/Ethernet but still kind of a joke and only for PS/2 slim. The DVD Drive is 3x faster and HDD is far away....
@@AmstradExin I think PS2 has 100 Mbps Ethernet which is pretty fast, 2x faster than its 4x DVD drive.
@@47KRoman Ah! You are right......But still USB and Memory Card slot.....too slow
@@AmstradExin That is the CURRENT speed, because 48MHz-Mode doesn't yet work reliably, whereas 24MHz-Mode DOES! ;)
On another note: I *think* that the speed could be even faster on DECKARD-PS2s, utilizing the PPU-Side for the transfer, but that needs quite some work on the software and we are just at the beginning, except for BDM being quite evolved.
@@tnaplastic2182 I didn't expect this to be such a rabbit hole....
Thanx master ♥️
Just found your video .. whoop I’m so doing tomorrow when my son Phoenix falls asleep 🤟🏼
Good luck!!
Damn that a brilliant method to overcome the slow usb on the ps2 slim
I have this thingy and make 256GB mSD card from Verbatim to work, loading speed is great but compatibility is poor at this moment however I didn't notice hanging or anything, if the game will start it'll work well. :D
Great!!
No shame for the soldering, some of the most genius electrical engineers could not make a clean board.
I think you saved a lot of hdds getting from scrapped with this one
I’d love to see a portable PS2 made using this! Most use USB and deal with the slow speeds. I think a couple use a built-in raspberry pi as a “game server” over the network interface. This method is nice and compact, and would speed things up a bit.
SMB/LAN doesn't work with playing online though... MX4SIO DOES!
Network load is as slow as USB basically. It would waste power by running a Pi
@@Vans_WW??? SMB is WAY faster than USB on the PS2!
@@tnaplastic2182 While maybe true in benchmarks, what you get is still slower than the DVD drive speed and only a margin faster than USB. Network loading becomes bottlenecked by the CPU in handling the network interface. Even in best case scenario (copy only) it was recorded to be around +- 3.3 MB/s. During gameplay, this penalty can be higher, at which point you are 1:1 with USB transfer speeds. Not enough to alleviate FMV stutter in some games, and not enough of a noticeable improvement over USB to consider sacrificing power to “run a raspberry pie server”.
Benefit is in storage size by hosting games on a server. Just my 2 cents.
@@Vans_WW Yes, 28MBit/s on a video on my channel... I know... ;)
Yes, the bottleneck is the IOP.
"In best case scenarios..." You forgot to mention "in-game", but it seems obvious that you talk/write about that!
UDPBD is less dependent on the IOP and could yield 12.5MiB/s (100MBit/s)!
Access times are faster on any storage compared to discs though and that IS very noticeable!
I agree, that "SMB" puts a lot of "load" on the IOP and that it can even dive a game's performance BELOW that of any of the other devices!
That usually doesn't occur on FMVs though!
It rather sounds like your setup (or the setup where those issues were present) is running in 10MBit/s mode!
Awesome video. I just finished doing something similar with FreeMCBoot and a hard drive, but this is much better because it's swappable and quieter. HDD is a bit noisy because I haven't found a solid state that works with the PS2. Just curious, does the donor memory card need to be a MagicGate card? I could not tell if it was MagicGate in the video. I know FreeMCBoot requires it.
Donor card is any ps1 or ps2 card and we reuse it for the contacts. Doesn't care if MagicGate or not
I found someone on eBay selling mx4sio this project looks interesting
Круто! Очень полезная разработка, молодец!
You could do it internally. Nice video mate. Thanks.
That is NOT the goal of the project and it would need more additional Hardware.
@@tnaplastic2182 It's technically easier to do... RELAX it's just an idea...
@@vaaz_rodriguez I AM relaxed?! 🤷♂️
What about it is "technically easier to do"?
cant wait for afull guide
Short answer is assuming you have a modded ps2 or a way to boot OPL, then on the SD card make a folder called "DVD" and put all your iso files in there. Use a program like OPL Manager V21.8 to rename the files easier and scrape cover art.
Would like to test it out but unfortunately I'm not really good at soldering, hoping for Chinese manufacturers to provide SD to PS2 memcard adaptor for that.
Indeed!!!
Just found someone from Spain selling these on eBay
@@timsievers2067 priced up/reasonable?!
@@castries $21 usd
Where can I find these listings? I've tried searching on ebay
I'd be down to buy one, Hopefully someone gets on it, could be some good extra money.
How do load times compare to a SATA hard drive with the network adapter? I use the independence exploit to load HDLoader FP 0.8c from my main memory card, but if this is comparable, it might be a good alternative with my slim.
Internal hard drive is way faster for sure. Memory card interface has about max speeds of 1.8 megabytes per second is what I was told
i need to learn how to solder now
is it faster than SMB loaded games or at least have a differing compatability in that some games that don't work with SMB will work with this? and if so, is it closer/a replacement of USB loaded games?
YES, some games which don't run via SMB, or have problems because of the IOP running on 100% via SMB occasionally, run better via MX4SIO.
The bandwidth is slower than on SMB, so an FMV *might* stutter via MX4SIO, while it doesn't via SMB.
It is way better than USB in pretty much any case/regard.
Wowww! Does fmv stutter fix? Thanks for this men. Love the ps2
I need to test more games that work, but so far no.
@@ProjectPhoenixMedia its okay sir. You did a great job so far 👏👏 gonna buy that stuff someday
Clever bastard wow. That's a compliment by the way
I'm thinking about making a more polished, donorless version of this with a custom PCB + a SD card slot and a 3D printed shell. Where should I post it when I'm done?
We can post it on video notes when ready
can a female usb connector be soldered instead of a sd card adapter? to use an external hard drive through usb, and would it provide the 5 volts needed to power a 2.5" hdd?
Thanks a lot for the video ! Is there any game compatibility list ?
There are but nothing official posted online. I'm trying to get the dev group to make an online google spreadsheet to assist with the information.
@@ProjectPhoenixMedia Great to hear ! Thanks again.
Nice. What would be good though is a permanent cfw bios flash to get rid of all security checks on Bois chip via update plenty of dumped biases out there to use .
Unfortunately the BIOS is a read-only chip.
The closest we've currently got to a software solution is Mechapwn.
Otherwise, if you're handy with a soldering iron, a modchip is the way to go.
hey..his back!
ohh this finally happened huh, i remember reading into it, wonder if it will ever be implemented into the master build. i remember hearing this was the endgame for loading games on a slim ps2^^
I think in long run yes, but mx4sio is still very new from software standpoint from what I read and discussed
Keep going...
What BT adapter do you use? Btw I hope this SD mod gets mainstream, so that we can order it from everywhere.
Check the video he uploaded before this one, he shows which one it is
It's the UnoRetro one. It's currently sold out
That looks too experimental to me, in the end I ordered the one from Brooks and it arrived this week.
It works perfectly, vibration and all, and I cannot sense any input lag with my ps3 controller.
What wattage soldering iron did you use?
60
Think about internal-izing your sd card reader. Use the card detect pin on some SD readers to disable the memory slot. Or just don't use that alot when loading games from the SD card. I'll have to dust off my PS2 to try this.
Hey, I was wondering if you could help me with something. So I updated OPL to the latest version and I noticed that the "Check game fragmentation" option is gone, now I can't play some of my games because it says that they are fragmented, if you know a way to fix this, please let me know!
Also I'm using an usb HDD to load games.
Not sure why it's gone, told to copy all files to pc, format drive, then copy all files back
On the scematics I see some pin also needs to be connected to ground, how does that work? Or don't I need to bother if I just solder the wires normally?
I've just been following the wiring schematics online and all is well. Is one of the pins indirectly connected to ground? Maybe I guess but so far everything has been good.
I have a quick question. Is it possible to go back to the game selection screen with my MX4SIO while in game?
No need to restart ps2 basically or maybe see if IGR works
Ps2 king UA-camr like him
wayyy faster for ps2 slim users.
Still best to go with the ethernet adapter for the fat model but nice job!
Nice , I want to do this. Just dont have the time yet. would pay for one ... but I it would be fun to make my own too. now that I see that works so much better for ps2 slims.
Curious if one was for sale, what is a reasonable price (before shipping)?
@@TheOriginalVersatile $28
@@TheOriginalVersatile 15$ (currently) in a good quality. Bulk... Just the adapter.
I made some if you want to buy
@@anyaimlle Cool thanks $$$ .. :) your work looks clean.
How's the speed compared to the USB speed and network adapter hdd speed of PS2 games?
Faster than usb but slower than network adapter
What format do the games need to be on the memory card? Is it just a bunch of ISOs or do they need to be in separate folders?
ISO into the DVD folder, or can use usb util 2.0 to rip the games to root of the usb.
@@ProjectPhoenixMedia Thanks. Could you do a video on setting up the card? I don't seem to get it to show anything, even after enabling it in the menu. I created a DVD folder, and then I put the file "Simpsons, The - Hit & Run.iso" in the folder but nothing shows up.
Hello i have 2 questions:
1. Which PS2 Slim Version did u used ? Does MCSX4IO works with 90001 version using Funtuna?
2. How to setup PS2 Console game with upsclase configuration using LED monitor ?
1) I have tested on slim 75001 and 90001 model. MX4SIO works well on both versions. Although I use Fortuna rev 2, Funtuna should work 2. 2) That I have no idea, unless look into GSM, which I don't really use.
There's an eBay listing for them from a seller in Spain (international shipping)
Update: Sold out
If i understand, the Savegames can not saved on the Second MemoryCard Port as a Virtual MemoryCard? And at this Time some Games will not Work, that work on USB 1.0?
The development is pretty much at the beginning on the software-side.
It DOES work on the build he used ("BDM3"), but not on the current Betas.
On another note: The PS2 has USB1.1...
what sd cards work with the mx4sio? I have a sandisk 128 that doesn't work but a generic 16gb that does.
Can you format the SanDisk as 16k clusters? That may help
was the background music of the game cutting in and out?
No, it's my audio editing software that messed it up a tiny bit
Is it posible, if i just solder a usb port or otg wire, so i can connect an external hard drive instead a micro sd card? Plz respond
It doesn't allow you to save games to the memory card you turned into an SD reader? Or doesn't let you save games at all? Can you save with a second memory card at all?
Not at this time, must save to first memory card with opl v1.1.0 beta 1629
Do the Sd card still work if you format it NTFS format?
Sorry must be fat32
What Bluetooth adapter do you use for connecting your ps5 controller?
It's a ps uno retro
very cool project, I guess you can just mod the console itself and add sd card holder
It's possible I know a guy on reddit who did an internal SD card mod
Only for ps2 fat not slim
gracia por el equema del adaptador pero una cristica lanzate el juego por USB en open loader se nota : USB GAMey tambien por el cable USB que se ve contetado al PS2, cuando se lanza por el adaptado dice BDM Game.
I am wondering if it is possible to use an usb 3 instead for an fast read/write speed..
Won't matter, limited by usb 1.1 bus
Can you have multiple games on the SD card and have artwork?
FYI, I just tested art work and it does work. Yes, you can have multiple games on the SD card.
If you make any more to sell please consider international shipping. I'll buy a bunch of them (I'm in Australia).
Check ebay, good quality ones are being sold there.
do cut scenes lag like they would on usb ?
Shouldn't based upon testing I've done so far
at the end of the video, it sounded like the game's audio was cutting in and out, maybe it was from the camera's mic as you were talking?
Possibly or something going on with audio editing software. I'll keep an eye on it in future videos
Gonna sound super nerdy but can this be used with a soft modded PSX DESR (the ones that only cam out in Japan)? Thanks
I don't see why not but good question to ask on the mx4sio forum
@@TheOriginalVersatileI'll try my luck asking the guys. Thanks man :)
Do the games load just as fast as the FAT PS2s with hard drives?
Internal hard drive is faster for sure
@@TheOriginalVersatile what about fmv skipping?
@@TheOriginalVersatile what about smb, is that gonna be fast as smb?
It is slower than smb but quicker than usb. Although SMB is quicker, it does have more hassle in setting it up.
@@ProjectPhoenixMedia SMB also has a higher chance of failing due to internet dropouts / slowdowns
This should be a great alternative for those who can't use hard drives or USBs drives . Does it work with PS1 and PS2 multi CD/DVD games? Because that would make or break the project.
Ps2 games only. Multi disc i don't see it wouldn't, just load the specific disc with save game and continue progress
@@TheOriginalVersatile Thank you for the answer. It's a shame that PS1 games are a no-go for now. Oh well, I guess it's better than nothing. Happy new year!
@@krazycharlie Well... Support for MX4SIO can be added to POPStarter! ;)
Are the loading times as fast as an HDD?
The HDD is faster, but so far its quick enough that in game movies are not lagging based on limited games I've tested so far.
Hi! I am always using 2 memory cards in my ps2. First card is 128mb, and it has all my savegames on it, second one is original sony 8mb that has only fmcb on itself.
My question is, if i buy multitap will i be able to use all 3 cards at same time (128, fmcb and mc4sio)?
I am not sure about that, and mc4sio is only for 2nd slot. Never heard of it working in multistep yet...
I am sure soon we will be able to buy ready made version from EBay
wich file system do I have to format the sd card? in wich folder structure do I have to put the games ?
FAT32, and put the games in DVD folder or CD folder depending on file size.
Hello, help me, is it possible to install FMSB on the MX4SIO card and boot the console using it?
That functionality doesn't exist at this point in time.
i have all the equipment, skill, and no actual soldering tutorial/image set..... please link
Looks amazing, but since I'm not very used to soldering, I'll think I'll wait somebody to actually make and sell them, if that happnes.
I was thinking of making some more out of a few extra ps1 and ps2 memory cards that I have. It won't be as clean as an official pcb with 3d print case, but I think there is some demand xD
The Game.
I wish there was something like this for the PS1
Yea me too, for now I use tonyhax
Should we use one 47Ohm resistor or 2 Ohms??
One 47 ohm is needed
Hi
Do you happen to know what’s the best version of OPL
1.1.0 stable or 1.2.0 beta, not the daily builds
Are you saving save data on your fmcb card?,
Yes that's correct
I'm curious if I could 3d print the shells for these and manufacture them on the side for people to buy. If anyone is interested maybe i'll create the stl files.
Looks like a very simple PCB could be designed to mount a SD card slot plus the resistor(s). Order a pile of them through one of those cheap Chinese companies then sell them with the parts as a kit. If you really want to go into production on kits and ready to use ones, learn how to make a multi cavity silicone mold and do urethane resin pressure casting.
Can i use this as a regular memory card?
Im wondering how the capability is like.
Hey put more games on it that i couldn't fit onto the drive.
Is there a way to transfer the games to the drive or to this?
Wonder if they can now load real ps1 games and use the ps1 chip on the ps2. Pop's i read is just a decent emulator. Hope they do something about it.
At this point in time, it is a storage device for your PS2 game files, not PS1 files. Cannot save game files to it, so you need another memory card in slot 1 for example. Maybe one day we can also boot PS1 games from this, but not today. It is a relatively new project.
yes one day i mean.
It's another way. They said not possible with the drive.
Whatever. Pops is decent really.
How are the loading times compared to DVDs?
Comparable, maybe DVD is slightly faster? But at expense of carrying around a binder of DVD's and wearing out your laser in the long run possibly.
@@ProjectPhoenixMedia Can you make a video comparing DVDs to SD card?
Hi! Does the game storage using Fat32?
Yes that's correct just like usb method
@@TheOriginalVersatile Still Fat32 like USB? Hm. Still have to cut 4gb ISOs into 2 pieces. But still, this memory card thing is easier, since the microSD is read directly from Slot 2, and faster too. The only thing that is harder, is the soldering.
In terms of config, this memory card is way easier than LAN, although I prefer LAN, since no cutting ISOs required.