Differences between the Hyundai Ioniq Electric 28kWh and 38.3kWh models
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- Опубліковано 30 лис 2020
- This video shows you the differences between the generation 1 Hyundai Ioniq Electric 28kWh (2016-2019) and the generation 2 Ioniq 38kWh (2020-2022). The 38kWh model came out in summer 2020 in the UK.
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We have a leased, 2019 Ioniq Limited, 28 kw. We only drive a few miles each day, here in Oregon, so the battery size was not an issue. Our son lived 80 miles away, which was the farthest we drove, and we both installed level 2 chargers at home, so even that wasn’t an issue, we just charged at his house. Then our son moved 50 miles farther away and we became concerned the battery was too small, we had never charged it on the road.
Fortunately, there is a Walmart supercharger 90 miles from home, right on the way to his house. Charged in about 17 minutes, barely enough time to stretch, walk our dog, bathroom, and get coffee to go! It was super easy too. We didn’t have the app, so we just plugged it in, swiped our C.C., and charged, just like a gas station, at a fraction of the price!
Didn’t even need to re-charge at our sons house. We had enough range to get back to the same Walmart and charge!
The lease will be up in October. We are definitely going to buy it at lease end.
As an Ioniq owner, I can say that this is a very acurate and honest review. 👍
I have the Classic model and I am very happy with it.
Thank you, thank you. This is the first time I’ve ever seen a car review that covered, side-by-side, all the changes in a model year refresh !!! Love it. Please do more (electrics!)
Glad you liked it. There's quite a few Ioniq videos on the channel, see ua-cam.com/users/GoGreenAutossearch?query=ioniq
Also over 450 EVs on the channel too..ua-cam.com/users/gogreenautos
The DC rapid charging capabilities of the first generation actually are a huge advantage over the later version. I have a 2017 and on a 100+ kw charger it can get from 10-80% in under 20 minutes, a second generation car takes more than double that time (which is really sad).
That is not completely right. Things are often confused here that were different at the beginning.
When the Ioniq facelift 38 kWh came out there was a problem with the BMS, on the first models.
These first cars were tested everywhere back then. An average charging speed of 10-80% of 34kW was determined.
That was of course a step backwards compared to the 28th Battery pack. The 28 kWh battery charges at an average speed of 64kW from 10-80%.
But the old BMS and batteries were later replaced during a recall.
There were also always BMS updates in the individual production years.
However, these updated IONIQ 38 kWh were no longer tested at that time, but I have a newer BMS in my late 2021 model.
It still doesn't charge above 50kW, but keeps its charging speed above 40kW for longer.
The old BMS has already reduced to 35kW at 53% and from 68% it was then reduced to 25 kW.
With the new BMS this no longer happens so much.
At 68% I still have 35 kW and at 75% it throttles down to 25 kW.
This is why you usually charge from 10-75% with the new BMS.
With the new BMS you have an average charging speed of 40 kW from 10-80%.
And yes, I know that it still doesn't come close to the 64 kW of the 28 kWh battery, but it's not as bad as people remember from the old comparison tests. Of course also an improvement of 6kW average charging speed from 10-80% compared to the first 2019 models of the IONIQ 38kWh.
I have had a look at the Ioniq PHEV; however, I like the EV -- thanks for differentiating these two variants. I actually rather like the 'sealed' grille of the earlier model - just looks a bit more streamlined.
Thank you so much this and generally any information about the Classic Ioniq 😃👍
Really helpful & comprehensive comparison. I agree I think the older model front looks better
Excellent comparison. I'll be seriously considering a used Ionic electric next year, when we are finally done with towing our folding camper, so will visit you. It seems to be mainly about whether I need the extra range to justify the extra cost and also need to consider charging speed on (rare) long journeys.
Always enjoy your videos thank you for taking time to do these
Thanks. Glad you like them.
This video is very helpful, thank you.
An excellent review thank you so very much
I have the classic model, from 2018, but bought second hand middle least year.
Quite happy with it. To collect the car I drove almost 200km straight on the belgian highway at a reasonable 90-95kmu speed, late August that was.
I didn't have to work about range 😃
Just what I needed. Great video. Thanks
Glad it helped
Great video! Excellent information and well delivered. Keep up the good work!
Thank you
Very useful - thanks. Considering one of these as they are getting affordable now.
Thanks for this great video. I was looking exactly after such an explanation
Glad it was helped
I had a classic ioniq for 2 years and I changed it 2 months ago with an ioniq facelift. At first I really thought the classic was better thanks to its recharge speed. In fact, hyundai has made its facelift progress everywhere.
Good video
Could you go a bit deeper on "everywhere"? Recharge speed is not I guess
Dear Sir,
Thank you so much for your very detailed video. I've enjoyed a lot and it played a significant role in my decision on buying an Ioniq (probably the first version).
Cheers
Nice comparison, thanks :)
As a potential Hyundai Ioniq buyer, this is a very helpful and informative video - well done, and thanks.
Glad it helped. See the Ioniq playlist too for other videos which might help - ua-cam.com/play/PLW0oq-rvufntC8Qk6ONQjJ7nncwqhp9LL.html
Great video as always Matt ....keep it up ....what do you think of the new Corsa e ??
Thanks. Not tried the Corsa-e yet. I guess it could be a while yet until I'm buying these in.
I like your voice and your explanation for the method.
Thank you! 😃
Charging speed on the new Hyundai Ionic electric is alot slower than the old one. On a 50kw charger i can only get about 12kw at best (at 20-30% battery) and its quickly slows to single digits when it gets to 50%. 20%-80% on a 50kw charger now takes over an hour where the old one would take alot shorter time making longer journeys more possible. Maybe this was a deliberate act to have now phased out the Ionic electric? Anyone looking to get a second hand one, I'd recommend the older generation, simply because charging is soo much quicker.
Thanks for the review, we now have an update to the new ioniq entertainment system which is great and you can do it yourself
Is there? Maybe you can share a video?
@@GoGreenAutos update.hyundai.com/AU/EN/navigationUpdate check this URL out I hope they have an update for your location
I drive the 38kw car , amazing quality .
I'd have appreciated an on-road comparison - performance, handling, range, refinement etc.
(i think you didn't mention) The new one has liquid battery cooling, so therefore are the vent flaps in front. Also the new model software care more about battery (so it doesn't charge so fast, rapidgates, coldgates etc.). If someone is interested, check Bjorn Nyland videos about it, so you get a vision about it.
Personally I don't like this touch (non-button) design in new cars - I think it's even dangerous...
Touchscreen controls on some of the chinese cars are used for even basic drive functions, which seems crazy. I really like analogue switches and knobs for functions that you are going to use all the time. Touchscreens or haptic buttons are only good for those occasional settings only IMO.
Hi, what is the maximum and minimum voltages of the pack when it's fully charged and fully discharged?
The soundsystem in the new one is better then in the old one. I now have a 2020 mod, but also got an 2019 mod, and just sold my 2017 mod. The new one has more base, and sound better.
Hi mate;
Thabks for the informative video, due wondering if we have information about the cost of scheduled maintenance of this car, as I am planning to buy one. Please advise if you have information on this.
The modern EVs like BYD and Hyundai have relatively higher maintenance cost.
You can look up servicing costs here onlinebooking.hyundai.co.uk/
Use the number plates of these vehicles in the video.
The servicing is annually or 10,000 miles. The fourth service is expensive as it includes a coolant change, but all other services are pretty cheap.
Thak you, I´m now shure to prefer the older model...
What's you 'realistic' view on the lower charging speed for the 38 v 28? I'm looking at leasing an new 38, and will need to do a quick 'splash and dash' for 10mins (below 40% battery), for my 2 x weekly round commute of 180mls. between Oxford and Cambridge.
I own a 28kWh Ioniq and but have never driven a 38kWh version long enough to require DC rapid charging. A lot comment on the speed of the rapid charging, but I'm less worried about it. In reality, you rarely charge at maximum speed anyway and there's many factors that can effect the charge speed at the given time. Plus if you can charge at home, DC charging will be a very small percentage of your charging. Personally, I wouldn't worry about it. Go with the larger battery and enjoy the longer range. If the 28kWh didn't charge so fast (and faster than Hyundai quoted) then it wouldn't have been such an issue.
@@GoGreenAutos That makes a lot of sense, and it's the charging time that is important, not the speed, which for me will be about 10 mins on the return journey, so not that bothered. I was looking a ID3/4's and Model 3's up to this point, and whilst they are different cars of course, you cannot overlook the value you get from the Ioniq, in terms of price, equipment and efficiency......great channel btw, and not too far from you in West Oxford, so good to know for the future!
@@GreggCastree Yes the Ioniq is fantastic value. You get a lot of car and equipment and its sooo much better than you'd expect, yet sort of goes under the radar.
You've got your finger over the lens in the top right hand corner, hence focus issues. Aside from that, good video, thanks.
No, its the lens shield. Needed to protect the lens from water as I'm often filming in the rain.
Good Luck
DC charging speed went from fast to practically useless for long trips. 70kW up to 77% and 30 min to 94% on the 28kWh. Newer model charges 40kW up to 40% before it tapers off. Takes hours longer to do a 1000km trip.
I purchased one recently the newest model, the car had 20,000 miles on it but the battery was bad it’s going to take a couple of months to get it back since Hyundai is backed up with ev’s needing new batteries. I enjoyed driving the Ioniq and it’s the best investment I have purchased despite my car waiting on a new battery, it’s till on warranty and it’s like getting a brand new car. The traffic in the Seattle area sucks and I would pay $80 in gas just to drive 4 days before haven’t to fill up again on day 5 and gas at $4.79 a gallon isn’t fun not even if you have a small car.
A great side-by-side, what were Hyundai thinking with the Mk2 alloys?! Awful, they look like poundshop hubcaps 😆
Great video. I am seriously considering one of the newer models,a 20 reg. Can you tell me how long roughly it takes to charge from say 10% to 80% from a rapid charger and a fast charger. Thanks
~40 mins
@@GoGreenAutos thanks. I assume that’s a rapid charger so a fast charger would be longer. Sorry I’m just learning about this.
@@davidadams5116 Yes. The terms "rapid", "fast" etc can be misleading. Far better to just remember DC or AC power. DC (rapid) charging is via public chargers which are huge 6ft cabinets. The actual charge rate is dictated by the car. The Ioniq 38kWh charges at 44kWh peak, so takes 45 mins to go from 0-80%.
When charging on AC power, it will take 6 hours (0-100%) if using a 7kW wall charger or in other terms, it adds about 28 miles of range per hour of charging. If using the portable charger on a normal mains socket, charging is limited to 10 amp (2.3kW), so it adds about 10 miles of range per hour. Or a 0-100% charge will take 19 hours.
@@GoGreenAutos thanks for that perfect answer
Lovely cars
I've heard that the headlights on the new one are considerably better than the old one. Any chance of doing a comparison?
I will do when I get in another 38kWh Ioniq. This one has sold now, so I'm not going to take it back out.
But the headlights on the 28kWh are excellent and LED, so I can't see its a big issue.
@@GoGreenAutos ah right I see, no worries. I think it was just the main beam on the older car that people complain about as I believe it's halogen.
@@mrmuds8624 Yes it is. Dipped is LED and main beam is halogen. The main beam gets drained by the brilliant white LEDs so doesn't feel much of a benefit. Its not that its no good..its just because the LED dipped is so good.
@@GoGreenAutos
Exactly !
Even Byorn Nyland has mistaken a Hyunday Ioniq Classic (driving from the opposite lane at night) with a car with Led Bar in one of his videos.
On slow motion replay you can see it is just a regular dipped headlight beam 😃
I have a 2020 Ioniq car,do all my charging at home that so fast charging does matter. the older Ioniq does give me enough kms for winter driveing
I want to see 2021 modle please
Hi, qq, does the refresh have the ability to limit the charge to like for example 80%? I know the 28kwh model just charged to 100% and you couldn't limit it.
Yes it does, for both AC and DC charging.
@@GoGreenAutos thanks for the response 👍
Really enjoy your videos, so informative and real life - keep producing!
Regarding the 38.3kWh. I am seriously considering buying one of these (I have the hybrid ATM, and love the car, but would like to go electric).
My daily commute is 130 miles (65 each-way). Using ABRP, it says the car will not do the round trip without a 10-15 minute charge. Would this be because of the ideal 20-80 battery usage range. So 4.5m'kWh x 38 x 80% = 137miles? Annual mileage for me 20-25K.
Would using nearly the entire battery range most days (having to charge 10-90%), seriously degrade the battery overtime, maybe too much for the Ioniq?
An Ioniq 38kWh would do your 130 miles VERY easily, even in the coldest winter and on the fastest roads, with no charging needed. In fact, even a 28kWh would do it, but you'd have to drive pretty economically in the winter as it would be tight.
Using all the pack as zero effect. Lots will tell you otherwise, but in the real world (I see lots of used EVs), its not measurable. The BMS looks after the battery for you, so let it do its job. You charge to 100% every day and it will be fine. Our Ioniq 28kWh has been charged to 100% every night and its now done 102,000 miles and the battery is still as good as new with no range loss whatsover. Plenty of videos on this here www.youtube.com/@GoGreenAutos/search?query=ioniq
The old one goes about 130 miles, and the new one goes 170 miles, but with the slower charging, during a road trip, they will be around the same speed
You say the charging speed makes such a difference but what if you have to wait because all of the chargers are being used ? (This has happened to us a lot) You would have an extra 50 miles left in the new 38kwh ioniq so you could drive to the next charger because let's be honest your not going to drive the full 170 miles without needing to stop for the toilet or a walk or a Greg's.
my 2020 gets 325 or more in summer time driving
km, presumably..? @@user-yc5de5pr7i
I don’t have one but I’m pretty sure the new one can do over 200 miles if it’s warm
A bit late to the party on this but I am thinking of going EV and an Ioniq would be my choice but I am torn between the 28 and 38kwh. I know that the 28Kwh charges much faster than the 38 but that has a better range. Most of my journeys will be local but occasionally I make a 200 mile trip so what would be your recomendation, the 28Kwh or the 38.
The reality is that for a 200 mile trip, the older 28kWh model could be slightly faster as for that distance, both the 28 & 38kWh would require only one charge stop.
With the 38kWh model, the range you can achieve with a full battery at different average driving economies are:
6.0 mpkWh (super efficient city driving) = 228 miles
5.5 mpkWh (efficient summer driving) = 209 miles
4.5 mpkWh (average driving) = 171 miles
4.0 mpkWh (efficient winter driving) = 152 miles
3.5 mpkWh (very cold winter driving) = 133 miles
With the 28kWh model,
6.0 mpkWh (super efficient city driving) = 168 miles
5.5 mpkWh (efficient summer driving) = 154 miles
4.5 mpkWh (average driving) = 126 miles
4.0 mpkWh (efficient winter driving) = 112 miles
3.5 mpkWh (very cold winter driving) = 98 miles
@@GoGreenAutos Thanks Matt for your informative reply. My 200 mile journey will be mainly motorway so possibly another stop or two. I'm leaning towards a 28kWh Ioniq.
The charge curve was brutally nerfed, to the point where the facelift is actually slower on road trips given you have enough range with the older car to get from charger to charger.
Old 28kWh gets up to 75kW charging speed and holds 50kW until 80%, new 38kWh gets only 50kWh and already starts dropping at 50%, similar to Bolt.
Why they made this big step backwards is simply beyond me.
Heat probably, because they've squeezed an extra 10kWh capacity in the same size battery enclosure. This is why they also added water cooling on the 38kWh model. But you'd have thought with the addition of water cooling, they'd manage to keep faster charging.
Does the 38kwh car have active thermal management or liquid cooling for the battery?
The 28kWh has forced air cooling (which does an excellent job) and the 38kWh has liquid cooling.
would you get a set of golf clubs in the boot without lowering the back seats?
Don't know. How long is it? I suspect so. Have a look at the brochure here as I suspect the dimensions are in there....
www.gogreenautos.co.uk/buyers-guide/manufacturer-brochures
No. I drive a classic Ioniq and also play golf. I always fold the seats for golf bag
You also see the charging speed on the new ionic, too bad they not implement it in the 28kwh with an software update
There’s more data accessible via the obd2 interface & app
Forgive my ignorance, I'm not familiar with some of the descriptions. When you say "drive more efficiently" are you talking about using an eco mode or do you mean drive at slower speeds or is it something else entirely?
ECO mode can help some drivers, but to drive an EV efficiently, the drive mode doesn't matter. Its all about how you press the accelerator pedal, just like in an ICE vehicle. So light acceleration and light deceleration, using the regen only to slow you down and not touching the friction brakes. Coasting is key, which is very easy in the Ioniq has you can set the regen to 0. Drive as if you had no brakes and it will reward with great efficiency, just like it would in an ICE vehicle too.
@@GoGreenAutos would you use regen in town only and try to coast as much as possible on faster roads then?
@@iainmorrison1592 For best efficiency, you adjust it depending on road speed, gradients etc. But most people probably don't bother. Once you're used to it, you'll probably keep regen at its maximum for all driving and then just feather the accelerator pedal very lightly and rarely take your foot off it completely. You can achieve the same efficiency if you get good at this and holding the accelerator at the point it coasts. You use the power meter to show you this.
But yes, generally, 0 regen when on fast roads like motorways or when taking advantages of gradients and max regen when town driving.
New one 45kw rapid if your lucky due to BMS limited the charge due to coldgating
Not coldgating, its the battery that makes it charge so slow. They used the same pack as the Kona 40 kwh. It also charges slowly. It has something to do with the density of the battery pack. They had to keep the temperature down, if it charges faster it would been too hot.
Fast charging on the old model actually rises gradually up to a maximum at 75% SOC, so "if the battery is flat enough" is wrong.
Also, one-pedal driving has no effect on brake dust as the car still uses regenerative braking when you use the brake pedal. Only if you really stand on the brakes it uses the mecanical brakes (or if the ABS kicks in, as this disables regenerative braking).
Do they still produce it? They discontinued the hybrid...
Still on the UK Hyundai website.
Hi Matt - don't know if you'll still be able to pick-up this comment but here goes . . . just to confirm, you mentioned that there is a weight difference between the 28kwh premium and the premium SE models - is it really 55kg? Seems like that it's a rather large difference given that the 38kwh difference between the two models is only 3kg . . . thank you!
Just checked this again using the Hyundai sales brochures at the time and the weight difference between the 28 and 38kWh models is 100kg. I'm not sure where I got the 55kg from at the time, but the kerb weights in brochures, V5, websites etc is often wrong. I see mistakes so many times in manufacturer's own spec lists and brochures. Anyway, 100kg seems about right. That will be due to the 10kWh of additional battery cells and the extra coolant.
Thanks for responding Matt! Sorry to be a pedant, but I actually meant between the trim levels within each model - you mentioned that the weight between the 28kwh Premium and the 28kwh Premium SE varies 55kg whereas between the trim levels in the 38kwh it's only 3kg? Hardly a riveting enquiry but just interested . . . my mind tends to focus on the most obscure facts!
@@howardfrancis1292 Oh right, sorry. I should have watched my video again before responding. The 28kWh models have a weight difference of 55kg between the Premium and Premium SE specs. On the 38kWh models this is 48kg. So maybe the brochures were incorrect at the time of making this video. Its something I see a lot. At least the figure seem correct now.
What does the SOS button do ?
A lot of vehicles have had these for around 5 years or more. Even the Peugeot iOn has one. In an accident, you can press the button to speak to a call centre and they know your location and can call the emergency services.
They say 28kw and 22.4kw usable vs 39.2kw and 31.3kw usable. Why is yours different?
How does the car perform in highways at about 100-120 kmph speed?
Very well. I've got a video coming on this channel in 3 weeks time about motorway/highway driving efficiency in these Ioniqs.
The new model have bigger wheels. Old have 205/55/16 New one have 205/60/16
Assuming you’ve driven the same amount of kilometres the new one is not going to take longer to charge simply because it has a bigger battery (talking about type 2 here). It will still charge slightly faster than the old one. Very detailed comparison and well done apart from the camera focusing problem.
Lol I actually accidentally cleaned my own lens cause of your focus issue
Hi just to point out the 'motor' you were referring to was merely some fake plastic cover and not the motor itself, you need to remove that to unveil the actual 'motor' (same with the engine cover on most of ICE cars these days)
No dual zone A/C on new model 😔
Slower charging does not ruin the car, Bjorn is no god of EVs - it protects the battery. His 1000km Race is totally pointless as a test for a UK driver, that would be like driving from Southampton to Inverness in a single non-stop trip : who would realistically do that as a regular trip.
15,000 miles on mine and only had to rapid charge about 5 times, and even then only for about 1/2 hour at a time. Almost all charging is either on my home or office charger at 7kW. I can easily get over 6 miles/kWh in the summer and just under 5 in the winter (UK). The Ioniq is the most efficient EV made. Even at motorway speeds you will get over 4.5miles/kWh.
One the coolant goes through the battery the other doesn't 👍
You forgot the handbrake, it was on the floor in the older model but in the new model its between the seats.
Not on these electric models - the same.
Oh i thought it was, dont know where i got it from.
@@Mr_Seppo The Leaf has a foot brake on the floor.
@@Mr_Seppo Hi i think the Hybrid and the PHEV model of the Ioniq might have the old FootBrake. The Electric model is much higher spec with Electronic Hand Brake.
Those plastic covers over the grills should be called cope covers.
Old one looks so much better
Same with the movies. Original Die Hard is better than Die Hard 2. 😉
Removing buttons and knobs is an upgrade.
I suggest anyone with a brain will strongly disagree.
'You get used it it' yes but even then it's slower, less instinctive and working on the principle that driver distraction is a bad thing, it is actually creating a hazard.
This issue displays bewildering flawed thinking and not just in Hyundai.
It's weird some kind of stupidity design disease.
The new wheels look awful
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OH GREAT HALF of your video is OUT OF FOCUS LOL. Wait actually IT'S CLOSER TO 90% OUT OF FOCUS