MASSIVE DEBATE w/ Tim Pool Fan - LGBT Kids, Woke Mobs, BLM, CRT & More!
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#BLM #HormoneBlockers #CriticalRaceTheory
"Conservatives are racist"
"No, they're just preserving racism as a by-product to other traditional values!"
... so they're racists.
well...racism is a traditional value
He unironically thought that was legitimate grounds to criticize people who dare to call conservatives racist. While basically agreeing that the outcome was still racist. Amazing
The problem in his argument is why are they preserving it. He’s acting as if they are just cavemen going “Me must preserve!!!” People aren’t conservative because they NEED to conserve, they are doing it because the system helps them in some way and they want to keep it even if it discriminates, which is bigoted.
Nooo! they're just conserving culture, they're not racist!
I kept wanting Vaush to point out that conservatives still seek to uphold old values despite knowing that they cause harm.
They know what they're doing hurts minorities, yet they do it anyway.
"Trans people are valid"
"I disagree"
"So you're saying Trans people aren't valid?"
"No"
Lol
slippery weasel wouldn't commit to any point.
@@gsd4104 He's just another life wasted on impotent rage directed by propagandists like Tim Pool, toward some nebulous boogeymen of "BLM postmodern marxist horde". I bet the kid was a big Jordan Peterson fan circa 2017-18.
Fundamentally, if we want to cut through the noise and get to the "eigenvector" of this kid's problem, is that he's a daddy's boy, just mimicking his daddy's far-right opinions and infusing them with the language coming out of youtube neo-fascist pundits and grifters.
That’s how literally everything he said went. Except his constant needling about ‘castigating’
He disagreed before basically giving deliberately impossible huddles and saying transition is self harm. I guess it's valid to feel trans but not acceptable, valid, or humane to do anything or feel like you can do anything. That's waaaaaayyy too progressive.
He's a very brave young man for debating Vaush and himself at the same time. He also taught me not to call conservatives racist, calling them conservative should be insulting enough.
Bingo
"debating Vaush and himself at the same time" killed me omg
LMAOO. He really was debating himself, true.
Miss BloopTart
Oh the fucking irony with you lol!
This guy near the end of the debate: “I don’t think you’ve demonstrated that my beliefs are inconsistent at all.”
Vaush literally, like, five minutes ago: pointing out how his beliefs on trans issues and climate change are word for word contradictory (we should listen to the plurality of data on climate change even though some disagree, we shouldn’t listen to the plurality of data on trans issues because some people disagree)
Some great quotes from this debate
“Marxist only want to talk about policy and not culture war”
“I don’t have any arguments on policy”
breadpilled debate god
"define bad" was a great one
@@mudlarkcacophony3115 How much time did you waste making this?
@@mudlarkcacophony3115 Your extremely obsessed with vaush, its unhealthy
I'm not nonsensical
Actual quote: "It's funny that all the Marxists I talk to want to direct the conversation to policy instead of culture war" - guy who thinks he's being smart, 1:07:30
BuT MarX Is tHE FouNdER oF bLm
Why don't people want to argue about this thing the right propagandised into existence instead of unimportant things like things that actually matter to everyone? Bastards
It only gets worse from there.
Typical disciple of Dim Fool.
When he grows up, he'll look back on this debate with embarrassment.
51:51 "I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't have many policy arguments"
Trump supporters summarized in a single statement.
@Hemanth kamana Lol
@Hemanth kamana Maybe not in the MAGA sense but I do think its safe to say he voted Trump. Its the same argument that Vaush made when he talked about approval rating. If you vote for trump that inherently means you support trump. Especially when the argument that "its the lesser of two evils" is demonstrably willfull ignorance.
Now he may have turned on Trump now as many have since January 6th or even maybe before that; frankly he didn't commit to a position long enough to really know where he stood. However he has not reached a point of 'self awareness' I guess, for lack of a better word. He may consider himself a "libertarian" but that is in direct contrast to his defense of policies and administrations that support policies which, maliciously or not, have been proven to increase racism and oppress minorities.
He may say that "What x Republican..." or "what x policy did was obviously bad, racist, etc" when backed into a logical corner where his position is indefensible but only with a flair of "Well if what you say is true" and "Isnt that a matter of opinion?" When he has been faced with any sort of valid scrutiny he resorts to calling into question the validity of the scrutiny, without being able to provide any grounds himself on which to place *his* argument. Alternatively when he doesn't feel backed into a corner he resorts to whataboutism to deflect having to answer the questions. Often times even after having the whataboutism answered whether through condemnation or exoneration he will still not go back and defend his point; opting instead to move on or "Get back to what I was saying."
At the end of the day whether he vocally supports trump or not; if you vote trump and actively defend his policies and the actions of the system as whole what is really the difference? Actions speak louder than intentions especially when the intentions are ill-informed.
this time stamp is a beat down !!
But but but the economyyyyyy 🥺 and black unemploymentttttt 🥺🥺🥺🥺
"So anyways, I started pontificating with no evidence."
this entire "debate" felt like the wallet scene from spongebob dragged out for 3 hours.
Looked that scene up. And yeah, that's a great analogy, hah.
spot on!!!!
Damn this is uncanny
2:05:00 really exemplified this for me.
@@albertjohnston1026 so true lol
He votes on feelings. Establishment is a vague term for feelings. Culture is a vague term for feelings. Facts are just feelings. The guy is a jellyfish.
His entire 2 hr rambling can be summed up by the Isaac Asmirov quote: There is a cult of ignorance in the US..The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread..nurtured by the false notion that democracy means “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge”
i think he's more of a worm than a jellyfish. maybe a sea sponge.
DOn't do jellyfishes this dirty. This guy is a planarian
@@henriquepacheco7473 heh they can do good work regrowing Into two two different organisms. This guy bearly has enough brains for one creature
"snopes makes bad article"
"like what?"
"theres this imaginary snopes article I just made up and its bad"
"Ok but the Snopes article you were alluding to literally exists and it elaborates further than that and says nothing about "it's actually bins not suitcases""
"It was just an example bro mediabiasfactcheck said the same thing"
This is actually kind of scary to me. The idea that you can be so confident in your own rationality and even laugh at climate change deniers for being crazy yet still be this removed from reality...
Yes. It actually kind of disturbed me.
Cognitive Dissonance is a truly terrifying thing to behold
@Sinister Quiver Did you not watch the video?
Literally. This guy is an NPC
@@kiatorrette5631 and every time vaush twanged the blade of cognitive dissonance shrapnel protruding from his skull, he makes the same noise: "THAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaAAAaaAaAaaAaaa..."
We’re not racist, we just want to conserve the institutions that have historically been racist. Lmaooo
Yo you can visibly see the stroke inbound on Vaush so many times. I was legitimately scared for him 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
I mean yes its a racist institution but they dont percieve it that way, Its more to do with ignorance than more of an actual racist attempt.
@@demo0831 That just makes them stupid and racist.
@@artisticcannibalism1350 No that makes them ignorant
“Wait what ...uh... is the sedition?”
- He has a 90% approval rating among republicans.
- And you assume that means they LIKE what he says?
me: yes?
This truly reminded me of a religious debate where it came down to, "Well, you can't really know anything, but...( assertions & special pleading)."
Also, alt. facts.
AMONG??!?!??!?!
Leftist: says something demonstrably correct
Tim Pool Fan: stop shoving your beliefs down my throat
yep...
2+2=4
Tim Pool: That's declaring a civil war
There is something oddly homoerotic about someone that keeps repeating "shoving it down my throat".
@@phanatic215 yes
@@austinhernandez2716 don't you think in the future a study could come out that debunks '2+2=4'? I think you should stop shoving things like that down people's throat and stop peddling that misinformation.
This conversation accelerated my cognitive decline
Try watching it backwards to reverse the effects 👍
@@LuckyBoyNelson holy fuck you're creating superhumans with this idea
@Knuckle Suckle shh don't tell them, they'll start to turn into leftists too, but probably tankies.
It hurts a lot
🤣🤣🤣
Dudes like this is why I can’t stop laughing when conservatives call someone else an NPC
The free thinker collective is a very prolific hivemind
A Tim Pool fan castigated himself in this debate.
I'm gonna castigate you're are mom lib
@@RequiemOfSolo ...what?
@@RequiemOfSolo Kinky
For real. Like 14 minutes in, I came down here just to see who else noticed.
@@lydiafayre9806 typical lib can't understand facts
It’s honestly infuriating how he insists he disagrees with the right, but is incapable of acknowledging their racism. He is so willing to play defense for them and make excuses but tries to take this detached enlightened centrist route- it’s mental gymnastics to avoid admitting he is functionally a reactionary
God I hate Tim Pool
This is all in the playbook. These people know that they would never consider ideas from what they call "The left", and so they naturally assume that the other side won't listen to their ideas if they present themselves as being aligned with "The right". So they try to come off as being "A classic liberal", or maybe a libertarian, or maybe just a centrist free-thinker... But 99 times out of 100, they're just a conservative who's gaslighting you. If you ever find yourself in a debate with these people (which I don't recommend because you'll probably just get bogged down in a swamp of semantics) you have to make sure to constantly call them on that bullshit. Steer the debate in ways that will make them acknowledge that they pretty much agree with every conservative talking point. (thus making them a conservative, whether they admit it or not)
@Darth Bane The kind of German who in '46 insists that they didn't know any Nazis.
aye very true
One of my favourite videos from Vaush to his day was his video about enlightened Centrists.
Talking to a centrist is more infuriating than talking to an open-nazi.
@Darth Bane Nah, at that point he'd shut up and be a Good German.
This is a classic debate. Honestly one of the best ones on this channel. It's one of the most honest depictions of the conservative brain I've ever seen. Quentin Tarantino dreams he can write this dialogue.
Tim pool’s not sending his best. He doesn’t have any.
Damn I like vaush and tim so i guess I don’t count
Plot twist, this is his best.
@Bro9650 nah, i just like to take his perspective into account, see how people who don’t understand how leftism works think so you can better argue for your position ya know? And plus i think he’s just a generally likeable guy. Not that that makes him any more correct or not
@Bro9650 im confused hold up
If he can send anyone and they have some degree of ‘goodness’, there logically has to be a ‘best’ too
This kid has his priorities inside out and upside down. He'll probably look back in 2 years and cringe at this video
I'm not convinced this isn't just a Vaush fan acting real hard after his explicit request for fans not to pose as right wingers to get on the show.
@@g___________v6850 I doubt anyone would waste three hours pretending to do this shit
@@Jayday12345678910 have you SEEN the internet? 😏
@@Jayday12345678910 I'm not criticing Vaush fans in particular( I am one), but 300k subs is probably enough to attract some fanatics. Plus if he goes as far as to ask his audience repeatedly not to fake being right wing and then just agree with half his talking points I think some skepticism is warranted.
Stop castigating the poor guy
You can't argue with this guy cause any time you corner him he says "well that's your perspective, other people disagree" and thinks that that's a valid counterargument.
It's such a weak argument. Just say you disagree and explain why.
@@Fragenzeichenplatte
They can’t do it. For how often they claim to stand convicted in their values, conservatives are spineless cowards who will never own up to the natural consequences of their prescriptions and behaviors, or answer questions about them directly.
@@Fragenzeichenplatte does he even know why he disagrees?
@@Gloomdrake No one knows ;)
The second he brought up "well my side has studies too" I immediately thought of climate change deniers, I'm glad Vaush brought that up. The fact that he made Vaush's exact argument for trans healthcare (the plurality of scientific evidence) against climate change deniers but then in the next sentence made the climate change denier argument (but we have a few doctors who disagree) against trans healthcare and sounded so confident doing it blew my mind. How couldn't he see how inconsistent his logic was? The only difference was how he felt about each subject intuitively. That's so much of conservative thought.
“Conservatives are holding us back as a species”?
Vaush
💯 correct.
Ah but remeber, we need them to pull on the reins to hold back the left from implementing change. Much like you need someone to hold you back when fleeing a burning building y know
@Knuckle Suckle everybody’s talking about fit babies or fat babies but no one is saying how babies 😞😞
@Knuckle Suckle facts simply do not care for their feelings
You leftists all simp for a conservative religion (Islam), so you're actually part of the problem.
We are always "moving forward" as a species...all that matters is what direction you want it to move in
This guy is literally just "everyone has an agenda but me and agendas are all bad reeeeee"
This mentality is peak cringe .
His insistence on avoiding “shoving BLANK down our throats” amounted to him just not wanting laws. Smooth brains like him think that’s what libertarianism is. Not wanting laws
@@samseymour7004 he just thinks everyone should care as little as he does. Its peak privilege.
@Lauren Ems "huh, I'm a poet, and I didn't know I was rhyming those words" -Captain Raymond Holt
@Kyle Kyle Who's authoritarian?
The amount of backpedaling this guy did is INSANE. If I were Vaush, I would have left the call halfway through.
As soon as he said he had no tangible policy positions from Trump he could cite it should’ve been over
I'm a Trans Woman and I'm much happier since transitioning. So you can add me to the overall study/percentage of happy Trans People :)
seems like it should be a pretty easy concept to understand, people are happier when they’re allowed to be who they truly are. Congrats to you!! ❤️
@@littlelordfuckleroy3822 Thanks Bailey :)
docs.google.com/document/d/1Le70f0hs5ZDSGlP13YQaa5k_YjD27VaxOHB9g1J0X6g/edit?usp=drivesdk
I don't know if this is vaush's or not, but those are actually good. Enjoy and congrats 🧧🧧
@COMMIES ARE TRASH you’re not even throwing out good bait rn. Gotta up the ante, we’ve heard these ones before!
@COMMIES ARE TRASH
ua-cam.com/video/sGtY1aPrOMQ/v-deo.html
I lost brain cells hearing this guy going talking in circles and bodying himself with his own arguments
Same.
Same, omg.
So an average Tim Pool video
I'm actually worrying if I have irreversible damage on my brain now; I'm honestly considering wether it's ever a good idea to watch any debate from now on... no dawg, I think I'll skip them from now on jesus fucking christ.
It's important to know when to take a break or tap out.
God these “enlightened centrists” are just insufferable.
They're the worst!!!
@Hemanth kamana That's not wokescolding. Also, if anyone calls themselves a "right-wing libertarian" or a " centrist" they are 99% of the time just traditional conservatives trying to repackage the same pseudointellectual nonsense by trying to give off the false notion that they are unbiased.
@Hemanth kamana Neoliberal Democrats are nowhere near being far left. If you want someone in the middle, support establishment Democrats like Joe Biden
Such pros at fence-sitting, the fuckin’ lot of ‘em.
hearing or reading civility-centered enlightened centrist arguments is the only political content that gets under my skin and makes me actually angry because I used to be just as much of an insufferable pedant and can't stand the memories of my reasonings coming back to me lmao
"Conservatives gonna conserve" is this guys strongest argument.
can't even get that right. If you look at reality instead of vague misinformed concepts of positions, conservatives have been pushing for regressing laws to exclude people they already include.
The real conservatives nowadays are these diseffected "centrists" that try to maintain/conserve the status quo. The regressives being labeled conservative, if anything, only serves as a euphemism for their actual policies.
@@99sins small c conservatism seems pretty incoherent as an ideology when viewed through that lense, I agree. Innuendo Studios' video on the origins of Conservatism reframes what they're trying to conserve in a way that it makes a lot more sense.
ua-cam.com/video/E4CI2vk3ugk/v-deo.html
(Spoilers though, neofeudalism has been the goal the entire time)
RACISM IN A CAN
“I’m a libertarian”
Also,
“the culture war is the most important thing I care about”
Yeah he spent the whole time going "People have the right to different opinions, but people who don't hold my opinions should just stop trying to win, whereas people who do hold my opinions, but that I don't REALLY admit I support, can do whatever."
@Kyle Kyle Are you the dude debating Vaush?
@Kyle Kyle i almost fell for this account. Nice memes
@Kyle Kyle no life nazi troll
@Kyle Kyle weak bait
"I'm going to be honest with you... I dont have very many policy arguments."
Ladies and Gentlemen... most Trump supporters in a nutshell.
This guy is like:
"I mean, I don't disagree, but..."
*literally disagrees in the most pedantic way possible rinse and repeat for 3 hours*
I’ve never seen someone be such a massive fuckin debatelord while simultaneously being atrocious at debating as this dude was
@@UncleBeerus the pure, unadulterated aesthetic of intellectualism has unironically made millions of people around the world infinitely stupider
This is like, a whole conservative archetype honestly. Constantly say that you're actually fairly left and that you 'for the most part' agree with the left despite disagreeing on basic fundamentals particularly in regards to treating people in a humane way.
@@mitchellhoward3209 100% agree. And what's worse is that I don't know if they're doing it on purpose as faithless actors or that they're just too simple minded to recognize what they're doing. Either way its infuriating talking to these people because it goes nowhere. They won't change their position on an issue no matter how much evidence you provide for them but want to continue to debate endlessly on settled science.
@@Israel-nb7ip I think it's more than being simple minded. Conservatives fundamentally disagree with being thought of as a bad person, even though they support bad policies. They work backwards, so they de facto have to justify their actions, ("I'm not bad, so the things I support must not be bad.") It's a lack of nuance. Even leftists can recognize when those they support advocate for bad laws and can change their minds. Conservatives can't, because their identity as conservative is more important than being ethically good.
This guy loves to say castigate like he just learned it
he probably did
It was Sesame Street's word of the day
@@avalus6 and the numbers 13 50.
To be fair it is a good word
Five times in thirteen minutes lmao
Take a shot every time he says "Castigate(s)" or casually pats himself on the back, as he alludes to how much research he does and how nuanced he is.
"I always seek out content that challenges my believes" yet he had to make up a Snopes article to explain why he doesn't like it.
But I like living 😂
So much research except when it comes to literally any policy
This dude kept saying how researched he was, then when Vaush asked him a question on something he disagreed with he would, un ironically, say “uh gestures broadly” then laugh like he thinks he just did something big brained. This fucking moron made me want to cry
He keeps saying "that's your opinion, that's your perspective... anyway here's an anecdote".
Tim Pool says a billion things and dude agrees instantly
Vaush says that this one instance of a twitter banning was justified, dude with absolutely no contradictory evidence to suggest otherwise challenges Vaush to a fight to the death over it.
@@bradm6287 once again, the burden of proof is not supposed to be an *actual* burden!
@@bradm6287 I don't think at any point this dude really *thought* about what he was saying here.
Its not even about who had what evidence, or that he had none and Vaush had an article. Its that he was so brazenly confident about this particular situation going in, barely even knew who the person was, then when Vaush was like "eh, article suggests it targeted harrasement" and this dude legit fights the article on the basis of "well its clearly an op-ed and its got an agenda". Bro you watch Tim Pool; news podcasts are basically verbal op-eds, calm the fuck down.
@@gsd4104 The caller clearly lacks personal integrity and intellectual honesty. Completely duplicitous.
I refuse to believe the kid is too dumb to be aware of their apparent self-contradictions and hypocritical debate posturing. He's definitely got a huge case of "little man syndrome" when it comes to his wanting to pretend to know more about politics than his peers. He's basically a redditor.
This guy: I like republicans
Vaush: Here are all the reasons republicans suck
This guy: Whoah I didn't say republicans are GOOD
kill me
@Kyle Kyle Lmao I see you everwhere on Vaush's comment section, do you have nothing better to do with your life?
@@no-kn3ho i can field this one for Mx. Kyle. *ahem*
No.
Ok but have you considered that Trump is actually anti-establishment and that up is down and green is purple because fuck it, words don't actually mean anything to these dumb chuds
@Kyle Kyle For you it's Vouwsh
@Kyle Kyle no u
I swear to God, I hope I never hear another person say the phrase “shoving their beliefs down someone else’s throat” ever again
This is what my mom says when she has no arguments but still disagrees. I honestly think some people live based on vibes and primal instincts, so they don't care about anything you say.
This guy was insufferable; he's uninterested in policy; claims you can't infer that Republicans are racist, then admittedly infers that Dems are just virtue signaling; uses "Fallacies" to dodge examples; regards any opposition to his view as "biased"; can't accept logical conclusion or hypotheticals by saying its "reductive" while reducing a mountain of historical context to "just a different opinion." He can't provide examples or evidence for anything he says, and just refers to people imposing "wokeness" on how people "live their lives".
This was so frustrating to listen to. 🤣
Yes i almost had as many strokes as Vaush. He really doesn’t have a position. He is going on feelings rather than facts. He’s a ben Shapiro fan with the opposite saying. He’s very feelings over facts. He knows the facts don’t align with his ideals. So he has to go for feelings, thats all he has 🤣🤣🤣
The sad thing is, this kid probably think he "owned" in this debate
He seems to take skepticism WAAAY too far by appearing to assume that nothing is objectively true outside his own experience.
This reply is actually brilliant because it can broadly apply to modern conservatives.
@@geekaleek Well, he pretty much said so at the end.
"What if a conservative didn't want to integrate schools"
"That's a reductio ad absurdum"
That literally happened when my dad was 21
a whole ass state GOP gets caught red handed trying to disenfranchise black people for (checks notes) not the first time and this dude is all "one bad apple (the size of a state) doesn't spoil the bunch (of similar apples around it who also have done it since the 50s)
@@KissMyConverseFool Btw a reductio ad absurdum is literally a formally valid type of argument. This kid is just painfully ignorant in all ways.
@@Disentropic1 Right? It's just a way to get someone to explain where the line is. This kid never tells us where his line on racism actually is
Both you and vaush don't understand what a reductio ad absurdum is. It's so fucking cringe looking at you two assume that you do and then complain that it was mentioned. Please fix your shit.
@@greensquare6235 Vaush's reaction pretty clearly showed that he didn't know the guy he was speaking to was misusing the term. Yours suggests the same.
This entire debate could be summed up as “Vaush you don’t understand there was an all female Ghostbusters once.”
Vaush shoved this debate down my throat. And then he castigated me.
thats rough buddy
in minecraft
"they're not racist, they're just conserving policies which happen to be racist."
@Hemanth kamana Wait the Southern strategy was racist by design, even conservative politicians admitted that it was.
Dog whistling is just racism lol
What that dumbfuck argued was that conservatives defend racism, because they like tradition; which, unconsciously, correctly implies that conservatism is inherently racist within a racist system
He gave a bad argument. But by vaushs logic I could say Dems are conserving racist policies since they wanna conserve the minimum wage law.
@@vcalv9354 how is minimum wage racist
@@superspartan7709 causes higher teen unemployment impacting minorities the most.
@@vcalv9354 yeah but how does a minimum wage result in unemployment
Him: emails vaush and consents to coming on stream to debate
Vaush: begins debating him
Him: LeFtIsT sHoViNg BeLiEfS dOwN mY tHrOaT
THIS IS LITERALLY THE PATRICK AND MANTA RAY MEME 🤣🤣🤣
So, logically, this must be, your *[WORLDVIEW]* !
TLDR: the “guest” is a literal walking parody of “you’re just a conservative that likes weed”
This guy has perfected Tim Pool's technique of nonresponses.
"Ok well a lot of people disagree."
"Well that's your opinion."
"Yeah we'll just say both sides are bad"(after failing to refute any criticism of republicans)
The fact that this dude started saying "*gestures broadly*" out loud in lieu of having actual answers to Vaush's questions AS A FLEX is beyond parody.
His awkward laugh and“it’s a joke” excuse around 1:53:19 was especially funny -
It's interesting to me that people think that is a flex and not a clear joke. I took it as "I have nothing to say so I am going to joke about it instead of being embarrassed"
@@mudlarkcacophony3115 not even subtle lmao
It was definitely a joke but that makes it so much worse.
@@AlmarWinfield it was a joke in that he realized that he didn’t have specific examples but also felt like he didn’t need them. Like they were self evident.
He was being jokingly self aware.
"I consider myself a Libertarian"
"I agree with the right on social issues"
So you agree with the conservatives on the economic issues and the social issues?
Sounds like you're conservative to me, dawg
Right Libertarianism is just Conservatism with extra steps
@@dinofacedindividual9462 without the extra steps
@@chickenfeed6272 no steps. Just libertarian in name only
Pretty sure "Libertarian" just means "Conservative that smokes weed."
@@chickenfeed6272 wrong! right libertarian is when conservatism plus weed, conservatism is when no weed.
This guy just wants to say the n word, let’s be real
This guy just doesn’t understand what inductive reasoning is
hey, at least he knows what castigate means
I suspect he knows what deductive reasoning is, but played dumb to avoid acknowledging certain inconvenient facts
And Vaush doesn't understand what a reductio ad absurdum is. We all have flaws. Vaush's flaw is assuming he understands a phrase by looking at individual words. He thought the caller was calling him absurd. That's very autistic. He needs to do better.
@@greensquare6235 what exactly brings you to that conclusion?
@@greensquare6235 bro huh
This guy just thinks evidence is whatever he says that he likes
His evidence of snopes being unfair (their "framing") was a hypothetical example that, hilariously, already existed and didn't support his claim. But then he continues to claim he provided an "example". Amazin
In Nickelback: 🎶 Look at this evidence! 📊
@COMMIES ARE TRASH except he does tho.
did he seriously try and argue that Trumps suburbs comment wasn’t a dog whistle? i don’t even know if i want to watch the video anymore...
“He’s fear mongering not dog whistling”
👁👄👁
It got drastically worse from there anyway..
@@forteeve3355 Yea I'm watching these debates to try and learn more but I watched 30 minutes of this normally, watched the rest in 2x speed and I don't think I gained any except for a headache.
For someone so utterly opposed to post-modernism, this guy REALLY enjoyed calling literally everything a "perspective".
Basically for him everything ends up being the same, Devra Soh with dumbfuck studies os the same as medical consensus with multiple well researched studies so we shouldnt do shit
Ikr the projection was AMAZIN!!!!
I think you are giving him too much credit thinking he knows even a single point of post-modernism
This kid is the Patrick Wallet Meme gaining sentient life.
This is it. The perfect comment to sum this all up
Once we got to the transitioning thing I started to feel this hard
"A large portion of the conservatives today are pretty racist" -Vaush
"They *may* be racist, but that might be due to their culture." - Guy
"The reasoning doesn't matter, it's just that they are consequently racist." -Vaush
"Conservatives conserve, so it's understandable." - Guy
"Then... they're racist..." - Vaush
"No, they're not racist." - Guy
My brain almost got an aneurysm when that happened.
Said the same fucking thing about another debate
Facts.
This guy the whole time: “I totally agree, but in a much more real sense, I actually disagree.”
How to destroy your credibility in a debate - Step 1: Cite anything from Debra Soh.
He sourced youtube chat at one point LMAO
Soh wishes she was Blanchard lbr
Wasnt that the Asian TERF lady on Joe Rogan?
@@industrialalliance9905 Yeah, the lady who said that gender isn't on a spectrum and followed up by describing where her gender is on a spectrum. Absolute lolcow.
after 3 hours, I still don't know what this dude believes
I believe the academic term for his ideology is “Vaush Bad”
He believes in anti-establishmentness, which means he heard trump say he would drain the swamp and bought it
Watch the alt right playbook: the card says moops
Essentially: progressivism bad because bad, tradition good because good.
@@aby110 So essentially he is a Conservative.
"I'm more left than you"
* proceeds to defend Trump *
So, do I understand this correctly?
The dude was arguing that maybe, conservatives don't really care about the outcomes of their policies, they just want to keep things the way they are and whatever consequences this might have are simply (un)fortunate side effects?
So if someone gets angry about people protesting against police brutality against black people, we shouldn't assume that they dislike black people, maybe they just don't like change and if the police stopped mistreating blacks that would be change, and we can't have that ?
Yes
Sounds about right
@@macmcskullface1004 I feel like calling the guy out on a "stupid argument" is a bit of a low blow, though. He's a conservative, they don't have anything else than those.
I think another take of his arguments could be he wants other people to stop bitching about problems
@@macmcskullface1004 I agree with most of what u said but, regarding the racist part, "whats in your heart is irrelevant, what matters is what u say and do".
This guy is a creation of the UA-cam right wing algorithm. Hoooly shit
Wow exactly
Lol 100%...walking talking meme.
He literally sounds like what would happen if you took a computer program that randomized sentences from all the Tim Pool, PJW and Sargon videos.
"trying to teach kids woke progressivism in school." I was forced to read Anthem by Ayn Rand. Is that ideology being shoved down my throat? I think so. This is so weird
@David Lentzner are you just stupid op is talking about being forced to read Ayn Rand and you being of social justice.
@David Lentzner dude what? I don’t think you’ve read the comment
You can really hear when his brain breaks.
His logical brain just doesn’t stand up to criticism or being proven wrong.
I know a girl like this. Whenever I present information with data she says hold on gimme a second! Or can you stop shoving this down my throat?! She just sits in silence stunlocked.
When she was so confident mere seconds before the counter argument.
Fucking infuriating.
thats how most of these authoritarian and authoritarian-thrall personalities go, they so rarely leave their feedback loop they go leaps of time without ever being challenged or introduced to any resistance. its funny you can hear in his voice he is kinda aware how insane hes coming across but wont buckle because he doesnt want to lose- esp when vaush repeats his words back to him
@@GHOSTPLANEtable he can't even say "I misspoke" or something, it always HAS to be the case that he's correct.
Watching this debate was painful. Jesus Christ. Vaush has the patience of a stone.
He's argued with nazis. He'd have to have that kind of patience.
Yea, he should’ve ended it an hour and a half sooner imo. I hope he doesn’t waste so much valuable streaming time like this in the future.
@@austinfox5268 Same here, that was way longer than it should be.
I think Vaush just really enjoys debating.
@@andrerobertson3151 I mean, he's dirrectly said as much so unless he's both lying and putting on a very convincing act we can take that as fact.
"Any fact that doesn't help my argument is just an opinion and any opinion that helps my argument is a fact" - Every conservative
Science: “Homosexuality is a mental disorder”
Cons: “Science says homosexuality is a mental disorder!”
Scientists: “Wait nevermind that’s not correct”
Cons: “Well that doesn’t matter! Gen Z just hijacks everything!”
This video almost gave me a stroke. Tim Pool is a blight upon politics
I've been waiting a half hour for this dude to explain why he's against teaching children about gender
I’ve been waiting for 2hrs
@@johndoa4839 I've been waiting for a month...
@@TheBioshocksnake i’ve been waiting for 2 months
@@baconbitz7937 I've been waiting for 3 months
@@ananousous four months in, dude, still waiting.
"Trump hasn't said he's racist, so therefore he isn't racist"
The Dankula Effect
Well have you considered Hitler was actually an Austrian so he couldn't be a German supremacist?
- nuanced centrists are the best, I swear
As a post Marxian neo-post modernist communist Leninist anarchical socialist, I must say this Vausćhtź guy makes some nice points
As a eqauli-egali-liberty-communist, I must concur.
ngl reading the weird letters with a polish pronunciation is really fun :))
Jreg is that you
@@mudlarkcacophony3115 By hate fans, you mean?
@@mudlarkcacophony3115 nice Nazi playlist, fam
50 minutes in when you got pissed off that this guy finally admitted he has no clue about Trump policy other than being "anti-establishment" was great. You gave him all the chances in the world, but this Tim Pool-ites are just so empty headed
I know, i hate when people talk about an issue like they know everything under the sun about it. But when it comes down to it the couldn't care less or/know any damn thing about it.
"We should only teach truth!"
"Ok let's look at what's true."
"No one can say what's true."
(And repeat for 2 hours.)
0:20 - Introductions
0:41 - Inferring Racism
3:18 - "Conservative Ideology" vs Racism (Round 1)
6:12 - Acknowledging Biases vs Defending Racism
7:19 - Affirmative Action vs Equality of Outcome (Round 1)
8:50 - Outlier Researchers Don't Invalidate Entire Fields of Research
11:46 - Black Lives Matter/Dog Whistling
18:42 - Are Conservatives Bad?
23:26 - Big Tech Censorship
32:18 - Narrative Bias
38:57 - Is Trump Anti-Establishment?
54:54 - Culture War
1:03:58 - "Conservative Ideology" vs Racism (Round 2)
1:14:58 - Discriminatory Voter ID Laws
1:20:25 - "Wokeplace" Seminars
1:24:20 - Republican vs Democratic Castigation
1:26:45 - Abortion
1:31:38 - Snopes Article on "Voter Fraud" Video
1:45:49 - Affirmative Action vs Equality of Outcome (Round 2)
1:53:12 - Woke Mobs
1:54:22 - Acceptable School Curriculums
1:56:08 - Early Childhood Sex & Gender Education
2:10:20 - People Being Peer-pressured into Medically Transitioning?
2:21:40 - Medical Transition Regret: Epidemic or Outliers?
2:25:11 - "How would *YOU* handle medical transitions?"
2:32:34 - Alternative Treatment(s) for Gender Dysphoria?
2:35:20 - Climate Change Denial vs Medical Consensus Denial: Internal Consistency Litmus Test
2:39:51 - Flat Earth Master Meme
2:41:49 - Right vs Left on Legislating Morality that Infringes on Rights
2:44:17 - "Patriotic Education"
2:51:53 - Good Riddance.
Rhetorical Questions: 3:08, 17:40, 1:36:36
What-about-isms: 6:12, 58:14
Clippable Memes:
1:00:32 - Biden's supporters are more racist than Trump's? Yes, he actually said that.
1:02:49 - "Are you racist?"
1:18:32 - BUILD. THE. WALL. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
1:44:59 - Shove it Down Eachother's Throats! XOXO
2:37:19 - "NO YOU!!! >;( "
omg this needs to be PINNED lol
You're the timestamp hero we need but don't deserve.
Yeah good job! Commenting to bookmark this for reference but Vaush needs to pin this.
Thank you.
Bookmark
I’m the one who wrote in chat that Vaush should mention the relation between trans science consensus denialism and Climate change denialism. And also the 1776 Project
Praise me!
put on your crown, king
Praises you shall receive 🙏
PRAISE TO TAREK E!!! \o/
The climate thing fucking broke me, how in the fuck can that guy end the conversation by saying Vaush straw manned him jesus
Thanks m'loardy!
The Republican argument about abortion didn’t age well.
God I'd love too see what that guy says now
Kid memorized one high school vocab word and thinks he talks real sophisticated. cAstiGaTe caStIgAtE CaStiGaTe
Take a shot every time he mentions "Shoving your beliefs down my throat"
@@RabiesVariant01 You trying to kill people? Shoving alcohol down their throats!!!
I've seen this many times. It's a type of newspeak.
People who complain about this kind of thing are insecure about their own limited vocabulary. He knows one more word than you and you lose your shit. That's really sad.
@@greensquare6235 lmao ok
vaush got castigated in this debate
Castigate got castigated by the castigator who castigated whilst castigating in the castigation
That sucks. I heard that exlax and coffee help with that.
"Do you think people can lie?"
"Why would you ask that? Its a pointless rhetorical question."
"I don't really disagree"
God, I remember being a Dim Fool fan. I unironically thought I was in the center even though his comments were packed with almost only right wingers. I know they're all right wing chuds. Dusty Smith, Vaush, Hasan, Contra, Kyle K, and David P really pulled me out of that cesspool of loonies
Edit: Sam Cedar, and sometimes TYT lol Dusty Smith (CultofDusty on UA-cam) pulled me out of religion (alongside other UA-camrs) when I was a teenager, and he later pulled me out of the alt-lite when I was an adult. I actually used to be a James Allsup, Lauren Southern, Rebel Media, Steven Crowder, Andy Warski, Tommy Sotomayor, Ben Shapiro, Ashton Birdie etc. Then I transitioned to Dave Ruben, Tim Pool, SomeBlackGuy, ChrisRayGun, TheQuartering, etc thinking that was an improvement to being "less bias." Then I found actual left tube
I have a very similar story man. I never watched Tim Pool though, but I used to watch Dave Rubin and thought I am a cLaSsIcAl LiBeRaL who is joining the fight against the regressive left. I would unironically say things like "ehm I am not a feminist, I am an egalitarian because I believe in equality between men and women".
Don’t forget Sam Seder and Destiny.
Vaush helped me from becoming a neolib and I thank him 💕
I was pretty far right but Vaush, Contra, Philosophy Tube, Hbomber, Shaun, Xan, and Re-Education helped me a lot.
Being stupid is like being dead it’s only painful for others
I should've made this my senior quote
This is a jewel lol
Apparently talking about policy is a "tangent" to this guy. Ok dude.
Tim Pool is a millionaire, think about that for a minute.
It really pays off to be on the right, but you have to sell your soul and humanity.
But if you're dumb it's pretty easy to convince yourself you're still a good guy.
@Optics First you would be held upon a pedestal for a few years as the token "brown one" then tossed for a new model so its great for a short term grab and go scheme but long term you should put the money into a college education or something
@Optics First Easy money. Just stick to the script and the money will come pouring in
No he has a brand and makes money off UA-cam
@@josephhsu3221 lol dude yeah he makes money grifting to reactionaries on youtube
Why are so many things being castigated
This guy literally just learned All the buzz words
The "irreversible damage" book has done nothing but "irreversible damage" to a bunch of completely innocent trans guys on the internet :(
yup u_u
Ah a “libertarian” transphobe.
@TMNT Fan84 you're right. He's a bigot towards trans people. A trans hater, possibly.
@TMNT Fan84 except it has other meanings. May wanna look up hydrophobic and then realize that "phobia" has more than one meaning.
@@jonnystorms3310 also fear and hatred are kinda 2 sides of the same coin so....
@@dynamicworlds1
"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."
Master Yoda
@@RandomPerson-yq1qk I mean I was thinking more psychologically with the fight or flight response working fundamentally on the same wiring in the brain, but you could take a philosophic interpretation as well. That is legitimate.
I rewatch this occasionally just to watch him struggle to make real arguments. It's insane how far he'll reach to find harm and how much he'll ignore real harm.
If you take a shot every time this guy says "castigate," you'll die 20 minutes in.
^True statement I am in the hospital right now with liver failure.
@@Alaskan-Armadillo looks like someone only got 15 minutes in before calling an ambulance
"I don't trust snopes since they frame things badly. I don't have any examples though."
Man, the climate change thing really hammered home how crazy this guy is to me. Like, it was already painful to listen to, but surely that's an obvious contradiction? The comparison of "most scientists agree that transitioning is the best treatment for gender dysphoria, but some people disagree, so I guess there's no right answer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" to "most scientists agree that climate change is real and caused hy humans, but some people disagree, so I guess there's no right answer ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" is extremely 1:1. But this guy just kinda hand-waves and says the evidence for climate change is just...better somehow? And doesn't even point to any specific arguments, he just says other people disagree
I can explain the first part for anyone who didn't get it: He was implying that the racist was not the racist racist race and he was arguing that race racist races raced the racist to the racist race. So he wasn't saying the race racist was a race racer racist, but in actuality the racist race was racist for racing race. in summary, the racist is racist
bruh I understand everything now
I am physically twitching now, thanks for this
Wait so is the racist a racist in a racist way or non racist way
you forgot “castigating”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
“Marxists want to discuss policy instead of the ‘culture war’ and that’s bad.”
-this guy
4:44 When conservatives really get cornered, they just admit that left-wing ideas are correct. Happens every time
the trans part of this discussion is so frustrating. how can he not understand that trans kids are just getting the treatment they need. its that simple
@Marcus Thomas Maybe because conservatives tend to have extremely controlling conservative parents who they can see plausibly trying this kinda shit? I sure hope they're not that bad. Bet I'd love 'freedom' too if I grew up under that bullshit.
It's the age old attempt to demonize trans and other non-binary people
Gotta admit though, Vaush trying to explain a simple concept and him not understanding it and this happening for like 30 minutes is highly entertaining.
@Marcus Thomas dude I WISH it was that simple, make my life so much easier
i feel like i've lost 46 brain cells listening to him and i don't think that I'm joking
78% of my Brain 🧠 was lost because how smooth Brian was the Tim pool fan was
Tim Pool was born without a brain that why he always wears a beanie to hide his small head.
@Knuckle Suckle only those stupid enough to believe his nonsense . Actually smart rational people are immune.
@@justinjones7411 trueee
Thoughts and prayers.
I feel like I should be payed a $50 minimum wage for each of the three hours I sat through this agonizing performance of mental gymnastics.
I see so much of my past thought process in this guy with his bothsides-ism and I don't like it.
Love your icon
もしかしてアンタのプロフィールはロースじゃないかと思った。
@Optics First could you imagine in 2024 all the leftie youtubers bring back the "centrist" and right wing people they interviewed in 2020 and see if they have changed.
@@BlGDaddyRob oh my god i cant wait.
What got through to you?
My brain oxygen levels started to decline precipitously after hearing TP-Fan defend Trump as "anti-establishment" but couldn't identify what was anti-establishment about him or why it was a good thing.
Trump supporters like the idea of Trump, but then need to post-hoc justify the things Trump does in order to avoid the cognitive dissonance.
Instead of viewing his words and actions from an objective stand point, they start out from a position of being pro trump and then try to rearrange the facts like puzzle pieces to match with the conclusions that they had already come to in the first place. I've never seen anything like it.
You know the establishment dude like Nancy Pelosi and uhmm... CNN?... Uuhhh decency?
The pause he had to go through to try and explain how bernie us more establishment than trump was hilarious.
"Why do you have to call everyone on the other side racist?!"
"Well are they doing something racist?"
"Listen, we all have different perspectives..."
Me: "So they probably did something pretty racist then."
I think this guy choked on all the opinions Vaush forced down his throat
Actually it just struck me how conservatives lean so heavily on projection, and suddenly everything made sense. EVERYTHING. EVERY SINGLE FUCKING THING HE ACCUSES "THE LEFT" OF, he's unwittingly confessing "this is actually what I'm trying to do TO 'the left', but accusing them of it gives me a motive to preemptively hit them back first."
HE'S trying to jam HIS ideas down OUR throats and Vaush isn't letting him even spit them out. Hence the choke. He's choking on his own vomit.
caught this live. smooth brains are always entertaining
Tim Pool wears a beanie to hide the fact that he has a small head due to lack of a brain.
I had to leave the live because I didn’t know this level of stupid existed.
Cmon he was pretty intelligent and fairly reasonable compared to the vast majority of people vaush speaks to. He just has lost his way down the right wing rabbit hole. Hopefully he can realise how wrong he was down the line
@@legendarylitening spot on. He explained himself relatively articulately compared to the masses that flock to debate vaush.
@@legendarylitening what was annoying is that he was unwilling to say what his beliefs truly meant. It's the most annoying stage of the rabbit hole. They don't actually display any of the core beliefs of the alt-righ but they use every single one of their goddamm talking points and line of argument.
It's so frustrating because when you call them out on it, their answe goes along the way of "typical leftist, calling everyone a nazi". And then, once they reach the end, they actually become a nazi.
The problem is my dude is more comfortable with any degree of absurdity than actually facing up to systemic racism.
Truly, a practitioner of the Tim Pool school.
“This is my opinion.”
“Well, that’s just like, your opinion man.”