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This engagement reminds me of an interview I saw with a pilot who was one of the initial fighters to engage with the first German jet. Immediately seeing they were outclassed on speed he said, “All we could do was just try to get in their way.” The only advantage they could exploit was the great difference in speed. Wow.
Now if longshot was flying a P47 Thunderbolt then you would of wasted all your ammo trying to shoot him down with no success. Those P47 were built like tanks. P51 were kind of flimsy when taking damage.
They actually got a few unconfirmed kills (didn’t see it go down but found the crash landing later) during the war when the Migs tried to turn with them. I assume they weren’t the Russian pilots.
The MiG 15's agility for an early jet is what really kick started the jet age into full gear. Because earlier even with early jets like the Me 262 or the Gloster Meteor, the speed edge didn't count. So old props like the P-51 still has a chance to come out on top. Indeed, dogfights like this was the start to an iconic cold war jet rivalry that would birth legends like me.
It wasn't that the speed edge "didn't count", but rather that for that extra 100mph in top speed you got literally half the climb rate of WW2 props because the thrust in those engines was absolutely pathetic compared to what you could get from a 2000HP propeller. So in a turning engagement your turn rate (closely related to climb rate) was something pathetic. Your options were limited to straight line hit and runs. With the thrust developed by jet engines steadily going higher and higher, the F86s and MiGs were probably the first gen of jet fighters that had peak climb rates definitively higher than their propelller-driven brethren, and thus competitive turn rates, if not turn radii.
@@KevinJDildonik Your argument is lacking one small yet crucial factor: how many nations out there are actualky at war, using significant portions of their air forces to engage in air combat? Close to zero... You'll have to wait until the next big, nation state war to find out if dogfighting is actually dead or not.
@@weasle2904 Yeah and I don't understand why you would even want to get into the merge if you could kill end the engagement and go home with an AIM-120 to there face.
@@KevinJDildonik And that's why most air superiority jets are giant bomb and missile trucks these days. The average F-22 or Su-35 dwarfs the sheer size of me alone
@@1joshjosh1 Thing is bi planes would turn (with radius not with energy) so good it’s almost like standing still, therefore would be a good slow target for a missile if you could even track it which would be harder than the missile hitting it. There’s a reason energy maneuverability is a thing. A slow wwi plane couldn’t dodge a thrust vectoring or high speed missile of a any kind by today standards. I don’t even think a Aim 9B would miss it.
@@1joshjosh1 it wont matter... even if u try to turn on the last second, its too slow to get out of the way, so BOOM. its like hmm... have you played tag before? u cant just walk slowly and jink on the last second someone tryies to tag you, you need to jink fast enough to dodge the hand... WW1 planes cant do that, not to mention the missile would be so fast i doubt you can jink fast enough with human reflex
@@1joshjosh1 imagine stepping on an ant, right before your foot comes down it changes direction, it won't be out of the way of your shoe, just 0.5mm more to the left. Similar how a missile would hit the slow plane
@@1joshjosh1 the missile calculates where the target will be at the moment of interception. If you are moving fast a slight change in direction will move the intercept point by a lot. When moving slow the same change in direction will cause a very minor difference in intercept point.
When I started playing in 2012 you had all plane in arcade, there was match making back then. So you would see Me-262 with 4x30mm against by planes. The 30mm was a 1 shot kill even against the toughest fighter back then, it was wild.
@@JETZcorp Something similar happened in Vietnam, when they tried to see how the OV10 could hold up against an enemy fighter. Even though the OV10 was way faster than a Sopwith, participating fighters described the "dogfight" as like strafing a ground target with some wind. A Sopwith would just suffer more of the same.
@@georgesakellaropoulos8162 I just learned about the actual meaning of the word. And I think I now understand the reason it's used as derogatory slang for.... other things. Also using it to name a jet is a great insult. It's like calling it a fire waiting to happen 🤣
im gay and me and my boyfriend call each other mig-15s sometimes. ive looked up a few times what the actual reason behind calling it a fagot was and ive turned up blank each time, i really wanna find out though because its very funny
4:54 Yeah, the Mig had some cannons. The problem was they had much different ballistics. There were pilots who talked about how they'd see 23MM flying past them and they'd turn around and see 37mm falling short. The Mig just wasn't designed to shoot fighters out of the sky. It was designed to take out those nuclear-armed B-29s. Those big guns have a low rate of fire so it was a real pain in the ass to hit a fast-moving jet but when it actually connected, game over. whereas the sabre had a good sight and rate of fire but 50 cal just didn't do enough damage, unless they hit the pilot.
One thing that could make this even better but not currently possible would be an H model P-51. It was a later version of the mustang that was produced, had better performance overall than the D model.
I've noticed in quite a few of these videos Longshot tries to increase his angles before the merge by breaking early. This only works is you cross your opponents flight path behind them. If you cross in front of them you give them the angular advantage. He needs to calm down and wait a split second to make sure he crosses behind your aircraft.
Thing is in War Thunder the Mig would be kind unbalanced if played well enough. Their just hard to get guns on. Mig guns should kill at least 70-85% of the time so if they fix its guns it should be better. Overall 50 cals should be nerfed but also some damage models should aswell, on top of this some damage models need to be stronger than others like the Mig, Thunderbolt, 190, etc based upon construction, and historical data. I find that when I go against friends in duels when their the P 51 it makes it very unforgiving if they get the slightest of a shot. I agree they should tone it down, but it shouldn’t be impossible to get a kill, and a pilot shouldn’t feel robbed if they worked hard to get shots in, and got back nothing in return.
Make no mistakes my friend DCS does it’s fair share of unhistorical “balancing” I’ve already talked about how they made the mustangs engine boost settings wayy too low in comparison to the real life counterpart was running, especially in 44-45 which is the era of German planes it sees in DCS. DCS has it set to around 61” manifold pressure Meanwhile, during war time, and the time period it fights in DCS it ran 72”-75” of manifold pressure for the US, and 81” for the Brits. They did this for “balancing” reasons but I still don’t find it exactly balanced. Why not just let it run at very least 67” manifold which was the factory “re”set setting. So I don’t want you think Gaijin should just copy DCS as the balancing so very different across both games and both games have extremely unhistorical things about them.
@@BARelement No they didnt, they did it because thats what TFC has in their fleet of aircraft. The Mustang we have in DCS is modeled after Miss Velma before it became a 2 seater TF-51 which is ALSO in DCS as a free module.
That was one of the more interesting fights in a long while. Quite different manoeuvrability characteristics, not the best guns for either side for dogfighting, difficult lighting conditions... Felt a lot more messy than the usual fights you get in. And then the way he died at the end there.
My friend's father shot down a Mustang in the Korean War. He flew Mig15, he said that it was difficult, the Mustang maneuvered very sharply .. In total, he shot down six American planes, the fight with the Mustang was one of the most difficult.
@@b.elzebub9252 Russian He flew over 40 sorties on a MiG-15 jet fighter, fought about 20 air battles, shot down 6 American aircraft (2 B-29 Superfortress strategic bombers, 2 F-86 Saber jet fighters, 1 F-80 jet fighter " Shooting Star ", 1 piston fighter P-51" Mustang ") His squad shot down 36 American planes and lost 4 of their planes ........
that was done in real life in a war many call the football war but really would be soccer if you are an us resident. the war happened in 1969 it only lasted four days between Honduran forces against El salvadorian forces a Honduran pilot enganged a mustang in a corsair shooting it down he went on to kill two more salvadorian planes this time two salvadorian corsairs. This is thought to be the last piston on piston air combat.
Those first jet fighters were amazing.....Imagine being one of those pilots. You are basically strapped onto a rocket. Take off the wings, stand that sucker straight up, and it looks just like a damn rocket lol.
I hate to see a P-51 go down. Out of all the small prop fighters, the Mustang was my Pappy’s favorite plane to fly in WWII. So, this mashup was a bit beyond his flying days. He offered all kinds of stories about his Army Air Corps and Air Force experiences, but he nary shared about his dogfight.
In real life: The P-51 would be able to defend itself from the MiG, but it would never be able to be the attacker. The MiG would have the performance to leave the fight at will, and reengage at will on it's own terms. Regard a former fighter pilot.
I saw this and thought it would be good to add to this video: " Unlike the newer jet fighters, the F-51D was more tolerant of the rough, improvised air fields typical to Korea - so they didn’t have to spend flying back and forth from air bases in Japan. In addition to its six .50 caliber machine guns, the Mustang could sling a respectable array of napalm, bombs and anti-vehicle rockets under its wings."-Warren Thompson. "After the Americans’ successful amphibious assault on Inchon, the North Korean Yakovlev Yak-9s fighters were more manageable
Watching the vid, I disagree with Tacview saying there was a collision. My thoughts are, maybe you somehow broke the Mustang, with your Jet wake/wash? The variance between your airspeed, and his was significant.
I dont know where one can place suggestions, but if possible might be fun for you to recreate a scenario from the movie Final Countdown, A6M2 Zero vs the F14 Tomcat. ^^
I hope we'll have the A6M one day in DCS for that. I've seen several tries on this with FW-190s wearing a Zero paintjob, but that totally doesn't catch it.
As one sided as it looks, there was at least 1 time recorded that a Mig fell to a Mustang's guns. I'm not sure of where, but I seem to remember that it was near the beginning of the "police action"'.
My Son retired Navy N.F.O. met a North Korean Mig-15 pilot at a air show that said he did not like fighting the P-51 Mustang, but did like fighting the Navy Corsair.
0:31 As a Bangladeshi viewer I wasn't aware of the meaning of the NATO Designation of Mig-15, and thought of it as something badass. Now I know thanks to you lol ...
In a fight like this? The Mig-15 has the advantage of speed and fire power. The P-51, is a lot more maneuverable. It's a mistake for the P-51 to go too fast. Make the Mig-15 repeatedly over shoot, so the P-51, can turn inside. Take the snap shots. Also the P-51 could fly closer to the ground. So the Mig-15 rolling scissors tactic, can result in a crashing over shoot.
"In real combat, speed is life. If you go slow, you die." - Sergeant "dead-eye" Unther. Mechwarrior 2 Mercenaries videogame Your advantage in a Mig-15 is that you can climb, and you can get out of range. If you match speed, you are playing in P-51 terms, so from that point the only advantage you would have is the difference of acceleration rate between both planes. Else you will see all the disadvantages of a Mig-15. If you see the female squadron nicknamed "night witches", they had obsolete biplanes in WWII. So they used slow speed and high turning rate of biplanes to evade enemies, but an experienced pilot would not be easy to evade. But their core advantage had to be stealth. As they approached their target, they turned engines off and did a glide run at night to deliver ordnance, to remain silent.
Gotta give it up for that slippery Longshot (claps) he might have a chance...the skilll...get it man....oh!, and now I gotta pour a little liquor. R.I.P. Longshot.
6 50s are no joke. The same armament package that the saber had, and we all know how it performed against the mig 15. With a 200 mph advantage, zoom and boom would have been the way to go.
The NATO designation is a bit behind the times! I remember reading that name playing Chuck Yeager's Air Combat on the family PC after we got Windows '95 when it came out. That was a fun game back in the day by the way.
@@jimdavis8391 I find bundles of wood and meatballs to both be extremely offensive. Though meatballs can be delicious and bundles of wood convenient when you need to start of fire.
they should have cannons with an adjustable bore axis on the jets... that way you don't have to have your nose in complete alignment with the other plane. say a 30 degree radius of adjustment.
If you want to do something that brings out the best in 2 aircrafts I would use the A-10 warthog against the P-51 mustang the same measures of speed in a FOX one battle ! Those aircraft are very similar and that would really be a test of skill. Thumbs up
Imagine you're a NATO AWACS radio operator, you see a pair of N.Korean MIG-15s show up on radar, and now you have to call them out and identify them to everybody else. What do ya do? Do you get on the radio like: "Heads up, I see a couple ******* heading your way."
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So I duno about you guys but the P-51 put up a better fight than I thought it would, Big thank you to Longshot for helping with this video don't forget to checkout his channel here: ua-cam.com/channels/szke4C7G1THhlh0puHWZ1g.html if there is a fight you would like to see put it in the comment section below and I'll see what we can do about it. Thanks for watching guys and I hope everyone is staying safe.
This engagement reminds me of an interview I saw with a pilot who was one of the initial fighters to engage with the first German jet. Immediately seeing they were outclassed on speed he said, “All we could do was just try to get in their way.” The only advantage they could exploit was the great difference in speed. Wow.
wasn't it P51H by the time of korean war?
Thank you for the amazing fight. This is what I wanted to see. But I know modren day fighter aren't as manuverable as WW2 fighter aircraft.
@@Anarchy_420 me 263 vs Mig 15
Now if longshot was flying a P47 Thunderbolt then you would of wasted all your ammo trying to shoot him down with no success. Those P47 were built like tanks. P51 were kind of flimsy when taking damage.
Next video: P-51D Mustang vs F-22 Raptor | BVR Combat | DCS
fokker eindecker vs F-22 when?
Maybe, with I-16?
@@timothybayliss6680 Obviously the A-10 loses, kinda like this isn’t really interesting. We know what will beta what with what advantage.
@@timothybayliss6680 the F-22 is done if the A-10 got crosshair on it lol.
@@timothybayliss6680 that would be perty kool. Ngl
War thunder uptiering be like
They actually got a few unconfirmed kills (didn’t see it go down but found the crash landing later) during the war when the Migs tried to turn with them. I assume they weren’t the Russian pilots.
Beat me to it 😂
Hit where it hurts the most.
@@saucejohnson9862 i mean, PO-2 shot down an F-94 (probably by stalling it), so anything Is possible
This is just after the new compression announcements as well!
Next up, 1800's French Wingsuit Dude versus a Tie Fighter.
That fight would be over as soon as 1800’s French wing suit dude tries to fly.
The French wingsuit guys would definitely win
No, a 1800s French baloon versus Tie Interceptor.
The MiG 15's agility for an early jet is what really kick started the jet age into full gear. Because earlier even with early jets like the Me 262 or the Gloster Meteor, the speed edge didn't count. So old props like the P-51 still has a chance to come out on top.
Indeed, dogfights like this was the start to an iconic cold war jet rivalry that would birth legends like me.
It wasn't that the speed edge "didn't count", but rather that for that extra 100mph in top speed you got literally half the climb rate of WW2 props because the thrust in those engines was absolutely pathetic compared to what you could get from a 2000HP propeller. So in a turning engagement your turn rate (closely related to climb rate) was something pathetic. Your options were limited to straight line hit and runs.
With the thrust developed by jet engines steadily going higher and higher, the F86s and MiGs were probably the first gen of jet fighters that had peak climb rates definitively higher than their propelller-driven brethren, and thus competitive turn rates, if not turn radii.
@@KevinJDildonik Your argument is lacking one small yet crucial factor: how many nations out there are actualky at war, using significant portions of their air forces to engage in air combat? Close to zero...
You'll have to wait until the next big, nation state war to find out if dogfighting is actually dead or not.
@@MrAlepedroza Look at modern conflicts like the gulf war then, literally all kills are by missiles rarely ever resulting in a merge.
@@weasle2904 Yeah and I don't understand why you would even want to get into the merge if you could kill end the engagement and go home with an AIM-120 to there face.
@@KevinJDildonik And that's why most air superiority jets are giant bomb and missile trucks these days. The average F-22 or Su-35 dwarfs the sheer size of me alone
Next up Wright flyer vs the mystery 6th generation fighter.
@@1joshjosh1 Thing is bi planes would turn (with radius not with energy) so good it’s almost like standing still, therefore would be a good slow target for a missile if you could even track it which would be harder than the missile hitting it.
There’s a reason energy maneuverability is a thing. A slow wwi plane couldn’t dodge a thrust vectoring or high speed missile of a any kind by today standards. I don’t even think a Aim 9B would miss it.
@@1joshjosh1 it wont matter... even if u try to turn on the last second, its too slow to get out of the way, so BOOM. its like hmm... have you played tag before? u cant just walk slowly and jink on the last second someone tryies to tag you, you need to jink fast enough to dodge the hand... WW1 planes cant do that, not to mention the missile would be so fast i doubt you can jink fast enough with human reflex
Knife taped to a kite vs an X-wing ?
@@1joshjosh1 imagine stepping on an ant, right before your foot comes down it changes direction, it won't be out of the way of your shoe, just 0.5mm more to the left. Similar how a missile would hit the slow plane
@@1joshjosh1 the missile calculates where the target will be at the moment of interception. If you are moving fast a slight change in direction will move the intercept point by a lot. When moving slow the same change in direction will cause a very minor difference in intercept point.
Gaijin went balistic with those BR changes
More compression for depression.
When I started playing in 2012 you had all plane in arcade, there was match making back then. So you would see Me-262 with 4x30mm against by planes.
The 30mm was a 1 shot kill even against the toughest fighter back then, it was wild.
@@007999999999999999 They should bring that back and just have it as an extra mode for those looking for something more interesting and laid back.
@@Viviana088 RB EC, battle rating whateverthefuckyouwant
P-51 makes weird screams when it dies. 8:53
turned into a Star Wars droid for a moment
That is the sound of the squirrel 🐿 in the tree
Phew
I do think that's the engine breaking off, glitching and yeeting into space like Growling saw in the Tacview, hence the high pitch Doppler shenanigans
The sound of the first merge from the outside view was also a very odd sound.
Next week:
"Alright so today we have the Sopwith Camel against the F22-Raptor."
I mean, the Sopwith would annihilate the one-circle, and you'd have the Devil's own job getting Sidewinder tone on it...
@@JETZcorp Something similar happened in Vietnam, when they tried to see how the OV10 could hold up against an enemy fighter. Even though the OV10 was way faster than a Sopwith, participating fighters described the "dogfight" as like strafing a ground target with some wind. A Sopwith would just suffer more of the same.
If it was just guns. The 22 would have a hard time killing a Sopwith
I think the Wright Flyer is the way to go.
@@josephgitau5000 If you have something that can fly well way under your stall speed, it's going to be a lot of work.
I don't think I have rooted so hard for someone facing GS than I did for Longshot in this video.
I didn't know what the Nato Designation for the Mig-15 was so I googled it. Probably a good choice to just stick with "Mig-15"
Yeahhhhh.......,
After playing enough F-86A-5 warthunder the MiG-15 deserves worse
I had to look it up. Had to pause the video while I ROFLOL'd
A bundle of sticks for starting a fire.
@@georgesakellaropoulos8162 I just learned about the actual meaning of the word. And I think I now understand the reason it's used as derogatory slang for.... other things. Also using it to name a jet is a great insult. It's like calling it a fire waiting to happen 🤣
the first two minutes accurately describe how all of my dogfights start, and usually end
0:31 UA-cam censors: *puts away the banhammer*
lolol
@@GrowlingSidewinder could have said Cigar instead xD
@@loafywolfy could've said bundle of sticks too
Mince and offal meatballs are ban worthy now? 😭
im gay and me and my boyfriend call each other mig-15s sometimes. ive looked up a few times what the actual reason behind calling it a fagot was and ive turned up blank each time, i really wanna find out though because its very funny
4:54 Yeah, the Mig had some cannons. The problem was they had much different ballistics. There were pilots who talked about how they'd see 23MM flying past them and they'd turn around and see 37mm falling short. The Mig just wasn't designed to shoot fighters out of the sky. It was designed to take out those nuclear-armed B-29s. Those big guns have a low rate of fire so it was a real pain in the ass to hit a fast-moving jet but when it actually connected, game over. whereas the sabre had a good sight and rate of fire but 50 cal just didn't do enough damage, unless they hit the pilot.
14:51 that was the soul of a Packard built Merlin V12 Departing for the pearly gates.
I remember playing this scenario in Chuck Yeager's Air Combat. We certainly came a long way in PC simulation :D
I had no idea abouth the NATO designation for the Mig 15, kinda funny ngl
Yeah, its not what you would assume though. The word actually means “bundle of sticks” (or iron apparently) and also can be slang for a cigarette.
@@shatteredskies8292 Had absolutly no idea abouth the other meanings. Nice to know tho :D
@@deyx18 difference between one and two “g”s in the word:)
Otan?
@@aytoad Ah, srry its how its called in Spanish, didnt realise
Can you do this from the reverse? I'd love to see a P51 aspect of this battle.
It’s like you can read my mind. I was just thinking yesterday that I wanted to see an early Korean War dogfight between a P-51D and a Mig-15.
One thing that could make this even better but not currently possible would be an H model P-51. It was a later version of the mustang that was produced, had better performance overall than the D model.
I've noticed in quite a few of these videos Longshot tries to increase his angles before the merge by breaking early. This only works is you cross your opponents flight path behind them. If you cross in front of them you give them the angular advantage. He needs to calm down and wait a split second to make sure he crosses behind your aircraft.
I wish gaijin could hear this: .50 cal aint doin a big damage on the MIG
They have the 20mm Sabre too
Thing is in War Thunder the Mig would be kind unbalanced if played well enough. Their just hard to get guns on. Mig guns should kill at least 70-85% of the time so if they fix its guns it should be better.
Overall 50 cals should be nerfed but also some damage models should aswell, on top of this some damage models need to be stronger than others like the Mig, Thunderbolt, 190, etc based upon construction, and historical data.
I find that when I go against friends in duels when their the P 51 it makes it very unforgiving if they get the slightest of a shot. I agree they should tone it down, but it shouldn’t be impossible to get a kill, and a pilot shouldn’t feel robbed if they worked hard to get shots in, and got back nothing in return.
Make no mistakes my friend DCS does it’s fair share of unhistorical “balancing” I’ve already talked about how they made the mustangs engine boost settings wayy too low in comparison to the real life counterpart was running, especially in 44-45 which is the era of German planes it sees in DCS.
DCS has it set to around 61” manifold pressure Meanwhile, during war time, and the time period it fights in DCS it ran 72”-75” of manifold pressure for the US, and 81” for the Brits. They did this for “balancing” reasons but I still don’t find it exactly balanced. Why not just let it run at very least 67” manifold which was the factory “re”set setting.
So I don’t want you think Gaijin should just copy DCS as the balancing so very different across both games and both games have extremely unhistorical things about them.
@@BARelement Fake
@@BARelement No they didnt, they did it because thats what TFC has in their fleet of aircraft. The Mustang we have in DCS is modeled after Miss Velma before it became a 2 seater TF-51 which is ALSO in DCS as a free module.
That was one of the more interesting fights in a long while. Quite different manoeuvrability characteristics, not the best guns for either side for dogfighting, difficult lighting conditions... Felt a lot more messy than the usual fights you get in. And then the way he died at the end there.
My friend's father shot down a Mustang in the Korean War. He flew Mig15, he said that it was difficult, the Mustang maneuvered very sharply .. In total, he shot down six American planes, the fight with the Mustang was one of the most difficult.
Cool! Was/is he Russian, or Korean, or Chinese?
@@b.elzebub9252 Russian
He flew over 40 sorties on a MiG-15 jet fighter, fought about 20 air battles, shot down 6 American aircraft (2 B-29 Superfortress strategic bombers, 2 F-86 Saber jet fighters, 1 F-80 jet fighter " Shooting Star ", 1 piston fighter P-51" Mustang ") His squad shot down 36 American planes and lost 4 of their planes ........
@@championknife - thank him for his service 😀
@@championknife I don’t think ur dad’s friend shot down 2 B29, because only 16 were shot down, meaning he shot down 12.5% of all the B29…..
@@Gedisaure I don't understand what you're implying. 57, not 16, B29s were shot down over Korea. Someone had to shoot them down.
I’d love to see a P-51D vs. F4U Corsair match-up.
Corsair would win!
that was done in real life in a war many call the football war but really would be soccer if you are an us resident. the war happened in 1969 it only lasted four days between Honduran forces against El salvadorian forces a Honduran pilot enganged a mustang in a corsair shooting it down he went on to kill two more salvadorian planes this time two salvadorian corsairs. This is thought to be the last piston on piston air combat.
I am liking amount of uploads we are getting.
Apparently, Taiwanese P-47s fought PLA Mig-15s to a standstill! Historical fact! (Fuel/endurance was exploited in this.)
Those first jet fighters were amazing.....Imagine being one of those pilots. You are basically strapped onto a rocket. Take off the wings, stand that sucker straight up, and it looks just like a damn rocket lol.
It's the MiG-15 vs F-86 video all over again
F-22 vs P-51? 🤣
Maybe 15 P-51s
I think NoDak has a video of that
Edit: nvm it's a f-35
I hate to see a P-51 go down. Out of all the small prop fighters, the Mustang was my Pappy’s favorite plane to fly in WWII. So, this mashup was a bit beyond his flying days. He offered all kinds of stories about his Army Air Corps and Air Force experiences, but he nary shared about his dogfight.
The mix of jet and propeller sounds during the merch is awesome
me swiping of the dust on my screen P-51 be like
In real life: The P-51 would be able to defend itself from the MiG, but it would never be able to be the attacker. The MiG would have the performance to leave the fight at will, and reengage at will on it's own terms. Regard a former fighter pilot.
I saw this and thought it would be good to add to this video:
" Unlike the newer jet fighters, the F-51D was more tolerant of the rough,
improvised air fields typical to Korea - so they didn’t have to spend flying
back and forth from air bases in Japan. In addition to its six .50
caliber machine guns, the Mustang could sling a respectable array of
napalm, bombs and anti-vehicle rockets under its wings."-Warren Thompson.
"After the Americans’ successful amphibious assault on Inchon, the
North Korean Yakovlev Yak-9s fighters were more manageable
Had to google the Mig-15 NATO code real quick - yeah better not say that on UA-cam xD
@@searchengine27 The more you know, thanks
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I'd love to see more of these early jet dog-fights!
Him: there he is
Me: I can’t see a thing
Gotta try out P-51 vs Spit to see who's the king of dogfighting on the Allied side.
8:46 Imagine the reaction of the pilot at that moment, like "Oh what the fu-"
8:03 That was literally the definition of _close_ :)
Jester actually calls the 15 by it's NATO name and breaks into laughter.
also a little mind-bending to think these two fighters were only a few years apart from each other
Watching the vid, I disagree with Tacview saying there was a collision.
My thoughts are, maybe you somehow broke the Mustang, with your Jet wake/wash? The variance between your airspeed, and his was significant.
2:07 That's what camouflage for, you can bare see the plane when you look down.
I dont know where one can place suggestions, but if possible might be fun for you to recreate a scenario from the movie Final Countdown, A6M2 Zero vs the F14 Tomcat. ^^
I hope we'll have the A6M one day in DCS for that. I've seen several tries on this with FW-190s wearing a Zero paintjob, but that totally doesn't catch it.
The next should be the Royal Navy Sea Fury v Mig 15 which also got confirmed kills on them during the Korean War
As one sided as it looks, there was at least 1 time recorded that a Mig fell to a Mustang's guns. I'm not sure of where, but I seem to remember that it was near the beginning of the "police action"'.
The best maneuver in this video, was avoiding to say what you were sitting on... XD
Go Longshot! Go Longshot!
8:54 that "scream"...
Do one in which you pilot the P51!! Cool vid btw
My Son retired Navy N.F.O. met a North Korean Mig-15 pilot at a air show that said he did not like fighting the P-51 Mustang, but did like fighting the Navy Corsair.
Again, I'd like to see the outcome with you in the P-51 and Longshot in the Mig
There were instances where the MiG-15 fought against the Mustang over Korea. It didn't end well for at least one Mustang pilot.
I think the jet fighters had a problem with dealing with the Mustangs slow speed.
P-51 was renamed to F-51 after WWII. P=pursuit, F=fighter
This is a pretty good example of how the jet-engine closed the door on the piston-engine aircraft.
0:31 As a Bangladeshi viewer I wasn't aware of the meaning of the NATO Designation of Mig-15, and thought of it as something badass. Now I know thanks to you lol ...
I usually am on your side. Not this time, I would have loved to see that P51 chew you up
good stuff, had him sky writing.
Thanks for the Tac View homie.
Hey, I made something similar with the P47. A P-47 vs MiG-15 cinematic.
Hey! I saw that. Nice video
@@tuningobd5371 Thank you!
I'm surprised in the end when you zoomed past the 51 he didn't let you have it since he was close and on your six!
P-51 weirdly has the advantage. Dogfights are typically determined by the slowest forward velocity when its guns only.
Next up SU57 vs Sopwith camel | BVR Combat | DCS
Oh god no
Camel would walk away easily!
@@kingquackie7284 exactly, walk, not fly LOL
SU57 vs Wright Flyer..."oooh! I tore his wings off flying past in the merge. Good kill!" 😆
Longshot did great keeping that Mustang trucking.
Watching the tacview makes me realize that dogfighting looks a lot like a dance
In a fight like this? The Mig-15 has the advantage of speed and fire power. The P-51, is a lot more maneuverable. It's a mistake for the P-51 to go too fast. Make the Mig-15 repeatedly over shoot, so the P-51, can turn inside. Take the snap shots.
Also the P-51 could fly closer to the ground. So the Mig-15 rolling scissors tactic, can result in a crashing over shoot.
That “ooooohhhhhhhhhh” had me laughing so hard! Great vid as always.
2:33
GS, no playing with your food
You had a considerable amount of trouble fighting against a propeller plane with that F-Word plane
When in doubt, follow the tracers...😂
Someone needs to link that Iron Eagle 3 clip where the pilot shoots down a fighter jet from his Spitfire with a grenade launcher. :V
Production quality of the MiG-15 was remarkably uninspired, but they did slap together a lot of them.
Mig looks deadly and beautiful especially with her colours.
0:31 he was going to talk about war thunder harrier pilots
*me looking up nato mig-15 name*
Me: oh....
Hope you can tell the difference in spelling.
"No! Don't look up the NATO code for the Mig-15!"
- Insert image of Peter from Family Guy running from strafing plane here -
"In real combat, speed is life. If you go slow, you die." - Sergeant "dead-eye" Unther. Mechwarrior 2 Mercenaries videogame
Your advantage in a Mig-15 is that you can climb, and you can get out of range. If you match speed, you are playing in P-51 terms, so from that point the only advantage you would have is the difference of acceleration rate between both planes. Else you will see all the disadvantages of a Mig-15.
If you see the female squadron nicknamed "night witches", they had obsolete biplanes in WWII. So they used slow speed and high turning rate of biplanes to evade enemies, but an experienced pilot would not be easy to evade. But their core advantage had to be stealth. As they approached their target, they turned engines off and did a glide run at night to deliver ordnance, to remain silent.
0:28 I only recently found out what the NATO designation for the Mig 15 was, now this is a lot more funnier.
Cool, My grandfather flew the F84 Thuderjet in the Danish airforce. Could you include that some time? :)
These fights are much more interesting. Killing long rang with missiles gets old.
Gotta give it up for that slippery Longshot (claps) he might have a chance...the skilll...get it man....oh!, and now I gotta pour a little liquor. R.I.P. Longshot.
The P-51 screams when it died! Great fight.
Ok. it's time to pull the Bell out. Bell Helicopter Dogfights. You can take a copilot if you want.
cool video. Keep up the good work.
How did the Hawker Fury fare against the MiG-15? Being the second fastest prop job to the beast of a TU-95?
I've always thought the mig 15 style body was a awsome looking plane
6 50s are no joke. The same armament package that the saber had, and we all know how it performed against the mig 15. With a 200 mph advantage, zoom and boom would have been the way to go.
Please make a rafale vs jf 17
The NATO designation is a bit behind the times! I remember reading that name playing Chuck Yeager's Air Combat on the family PC after we got Windows '95 when it came out. That was a fun game back in the day by the way.
You have an issue with tied up bundles of firewood or spiced beef meatballs?
@@jimdavis8391 I find bundles of wood and meatballs to both be extremely offensive. Though meatballs can be delicious and bundles of wood convenient when you need to start of fire.
they should have cannons with an adjustable bore axis on the jets... that way you don't have to have your nose in complete alignment with the other plane. say a 30 degree radius of adjustment.
8:05 No more ammo? No, Problem! We can do a Kamikazi Splash! 😄
If you want to do something that brings out the best in 2 aircrafts I would use the A-10 warthog against the P-51 mustang the same measures of speed in a FOX one battle ! Those aircraft are very similar and that would really be a test of skill. Thumbs up
this reminds me of that mirage 2000 vs f-5 video. this mustang pilot is very good.
I would think as close as that last pass was, jet blast could cause damage to another plane, especially if it is already weakened by cannon fire.
Next video: Wright flyer vs F-35B
Imagine you're a NATO AWACS radio operator, you see a pair of N.Korean MIG-15s show up on radar, and now you have to call them out and identify them to everybody else.
What do ya do?
Do you get on the radio like: "Heads up, I see a couple ******* heading your way."
Now do F-94 vs PO-2 (2-OP)
8:54 the scream of a cat