A C- for the security guard?... What would he have to do to get an F, gun the journalist down? ... Obviously the sidewalk was OPEN, because it was not barricaded! ... PERIOD!
how can you disregard what is clear to see, the portion of the sidewalk where the photographer was standing had nothing todo with a closed area or the authority of security
@@dimbusjenkins if you don't know the proper definition of " redneck " you shouldn't use the term . and it's obvious you don't know . . .which is ironic considering the machine you used to post your idiotic comment could have been used to look that up easily yet you chose ignorance over common sense . here's your sign . . . L
Did you notice all the while the 3 security guards were forcing Mr. Sidewalk to the end of the block claiming they had secured the sidewalk for their event, a skateboarder and a man walking his dog used that same sidewalk? Seems the camera was the issue.
He was asked not to film or photograph the attendees at a private event, sponsored by a private institution, at a private location. This isn't like going to the DMV or city hall and filming the public events there. He might as well have been taking pictures of people without their consent in their own homes. The reason security is hired is to keep freaks like Mr. Sidewalks away.
Just goes to show that if you given even a tiny amount of authority to prove, they will abuse it and use it to harm others. That rent-a-cop should be charged
"you have bad breath, man" "That's...mildly interesting." Listen- even professional comedy writers can't produce that kind of naturally hilarious interaction.
I think the biggest issue here is that the security supervisor was making claims not supported by the setup on the ground. Why would anyone think the 50 feet ahead of the actual signage was also closed? Or think they couldn't stand outside the barricade and watch people enter the event? If they wanted the full sidewalk closed, they should have closed it. I suspect the permit area was only where the physicial barricade was set up and the security supervisor was lying.
@@corneilcorneil yessir not worth a fight or a lawsuit. while every security company is different, mine does not pay or encourage us to get involved in any scuffles or situations ultimately because it’ll come back down on the company. Our company doesnt want to have to pay for medical expenses or law suits and I’m so fine with that lol
@@soyjeffe__ my uncle is bouncer for a night club in Philly, he says if you constantly find yourself getting in physical altercations or shouting matches you're doing the job wrong. Your presence and demeanor should be enough to handle 90% of situations you'd find yourself in (ie being a 6'3 280 lbs bodybuilder keeping a calm and professional attitude making it clear that the patron doesn't have a choice in the matter while implying possible physical harm that will in actuality never happen) for the 10 percent that's too stupid to get what's happening just call the cops. By his own words the only time you should ever put your hands on someone is when you reasonably believe you or a customer might be in danger and need to defend yourself, the guys who stay calm and clear headed are the ones who can make a nice career for themselves while the insecure aggressive guys who gotta prove how tough they are get booted within a year or two
The one that put his hands on him was wrong and the second guard was trying to calm him down and get him to leave, so was the third one. The first one should have just called the cops
A "C-" for the security supervisor is a little bizarre. I've seen you give police officers an "F" grade for less. This guy assaulted a citizen for essentially no reason and under very dubious justification. Mr. Sidewalks didn't pass the marked barriers and wasn't aggressive. He made no attempt to trespass. Security supervisor was aggressive, assaulted an innocent person, and was belligerent the whole time, even screaming like a child throwing a tantrum at one point. Regardless of if the law might let him skirt any sort of punishment for his assaulting a citizen, he deserves an "F" here, easily.
@@canucanoe2861 From the sample of videos I've seen, it seems inconsistent to me. Possibly a strategy to play both sides and gain more viewers, who knows. But giving the security guy a C- is stunningly outrageous. Even if it was 100% confirmed that MrSidewalks was on private property, he should get an F. The signs need to be placed accurately to mark the boundary, period.
Glad it wasn't just me hating this guy, I'm a peaceful person- but i want to get into it with him. And what is up with the guy with badge and uniform just watching the assault? Even guy's subordinates seem ashamed of him and almost look like they've apologized for inappropriate behavior before.
Yeah he was cool AF. I doubt he has problems with people complying with him because the way interacts shows mutual respect. That first guy was a total bag of douche.
Security guard needs a dental plan if he wants to act like that. Not for his bad breath caused by gingivitis but the teeth he would have lost trying to man handle someone like that.. Everyone thinks they're a rock star these days..
@@Ivarr.Bergmann.Alaska litteraly starts barking when all he had to do was call the cops and if they had their papers in order it would have been an arrest
That security guard had 0 right to do what he did. "Mr sidewalk" did not pass the boundaries that were clearly marked. The authority of a security guard, as you read, is only lawful on private property, not public property. If they truly had a permit that gave them private use of the sidewalk to the area the security guard stated, then they would have had those sidewalk closed barriers at that point. I hope "Mr sidewalk" did follow up and even press charges on the security guard for assault.
I agree, that guard was very aggressive. Also, I think their main issue was that their barriers were not blocking the sidewalk at the point where they claimed it was closed. He never crossed the barriers but was asked to go back to the fire hydrant, so they should have put a barrier at the fire hydrant if that's where the line was.
Maybe the club did have the right to put up barriers near to the fire hydrant but didn't want to needlessly inconvenience the rest of the public? It seems like a fairly busy area. Considering how your actions effect others is basic decency, something Mr. Sidewalks knows nothing about.
@@jasonlongton1876 that's bullshit. They could have put a sign with a copy of the permit from the city authorizing the closure. That doesn't take much or impede anyone. PS I worked armed security.
@@SirStanleytheStumbler lmao not bad training it’s that they ignored the training in the class. I took the class it’s pretty thorough on what u can and can’t do. They decide that being a security guard is basically a cop in there own head. When I’m reality all they are supposed to do is observe and report to the police 🤦♂️
He, the auditor, wasn't trespassing at all, because he never passed behind the sign they had put up. If they didn't want anybody that close by, they should have put their signs next to the fire hydrant, period.
@@MrTaylorfenoglio That is incorrect. As Auidit the audit showed, part of the permit was the requirement for the sign/barrier to alert the public of the proper closed off area. It did not allow for a verbal warning instead.
Apologizing for the guy’s behavior doesn’t mean a damn thing. That guy won’t change his behavior at all unless he faces significant negative consequences. I give the security supervisor an F minus.
I can almost guarantee the security guy was an ex COP that got fired for excessive force. Most COPs take it personally if you do not obey anything they say whether it's a crime or legal it's just a control thing. I had a COP do nearly the same thing to me for me saying "hey dude" when he walked up to my car after pulling me over for a headlight out. He was screaming like that, made me get out of the car, and got in my face screaming "call me dude one more time"...
@@dickgozenya1542 Dewitte is a one in a million exception. This security supervisor had former cop written all over him, and was one who very likely had temper problems in the past.
Whether the security guard was "legal" or not, at least the first push appears to push Mr. Sidewalk towards the street, which was not closed. Had Mr. Sidewalk lost this balance or tripped due to that push, he could have fallen into the street, into oncoming traffic. I also have a problem with the sidewalk being closed and pedestrians being directed to cross a busy, multi-lane street without the aid of a traffic signal or police officer. It also appears that they didn't close the entire width of the sidewalk. On camera, it looked like there was enough room to pass the restricted area without entering the restricted area. As noted, other people who were not filming were milling about past the "sidewalk closed" signs, unimpeded. I also thought I heard the security supervisor say they closed a bus stop. Even if they had a permit for the sidewalk, did that permit really extend to taking down a stop on bus route? I have lots of issues with this whole situation, no matter how you slice it.
It appears that there was a crosswalk for pedestrians where the sign was telling them to cross. Likely because of the bus stop and the entrance to the Ebell
Not to mention that 99% of security companies will instantly terminate you for just touching somebody and most of those will also get your security license revoked or suspended for a Time at least for that company in particular this is coming from somebody who's been in the security business for 4 years I know it's not a long time but that's my experience with it
This is the communist state of California where the laws are made up by the entitled against the common people. I’m guessing the shitbag security ahole was someone who gets off thinking he is a tough guy. He should not be employed in this job. He is a liability to who ever hires him. Some advice to Mr. security be careful who you push, someday you may push the wrong guy and get hurt or worse.
Head of security gets an "F" in my book. He had zero clue of the marked areas and pushed Mr. Sidewalks several times in order to get his way. Which was unfounded. He deserves nothing higher with my grading scale.
@@Kyle-pj2vc Nah the grading scale of a dumbass security guard getting emotional and pushing someone who was standing on public property. You okay Kyle?
This is why I enjoy his videos, he doesn't base his ratings on feelings but cold hard case law and in this scenario regardless of how we feel about the security guard he had legal avenues to argue he was in the right.
I was a security guard for roughly three years, and I never was told to yell at or shove people. Security is absolutely a customer service position. You speak with people and tell them what they can or cannot do on the property you’ve been assigned to. In a recertification class I had to take, they played a video of one of our own guys, who I knew, video’d by an auditor just like this, trying to calmly explain that the sidewalk is not public property. We were told NEVER to do that. Never ever try to tell people what the law is, because we don’t know the law. All we know is our post orders, and in those orders you’ll always find that the jurisdiction of the guards ends at the sidewalk. If you see a crime or accident out on the sidewalk you can call the police from your post, but you can’t leave your post. Observe and report is the motto for security as a profession. Observe and report are not synonyms for shove and shout. To protect yourself legally, we were always told that if someone wasn’t complying with a trespass, to call the cops. Basically 99% of the time, unless it’s a Karen, the person will listen once the cops show up. And then it’s in their hands after that.
Mr. Sidewalk is just as much of a clown as the security supervisor in my opinion. It is obvious that the person filming is purposely antagonizing and pushing boundaries. I’m a newcomer to the whole concept of auditing like this, and I have to admit that these videos are entertaining. I know folks who would have lost their cool and probably taken things a step further with this particular sidewalk fellow simply for him being a nuisance. Thankfully, those people are not in the security business 😂. Sure, he might have a right to walk over to the edge of the closed off area and film, but should he be doing it? Both individuals in this situation are in the wrong here, I think. Both are acting irresponsibly.
@@kevinbradley8613 By no means was I intending to defend the guy. I actually didn’t even watch this video. I listened to it while I was at work. So I have no clue what the dude was doing beyond his words. My whole point was not about him, just the guard. It simply doesn’t matter how belligerent someone is, as a security guard it’s imperative that you keep your cool. You aren’t a cop, you don’t know and can’t enforce the law, you are there to establish boundaries set forth by the business’ requirements, with clarity and respect. If they are not followed, the biggest threat you make is “I’m going to call the police.” And I worked at an OC spray certified site. Never needed to even mention it to somebody. If you have ever played the new Hitman games, when you are caught trespassing, the security guards don’t stand there and interrogate you, or shout or push you. They escort you back to where you’re allowed to be. They’re very chill about it. That may be a superhuman, unrealistic standard. I certainly think so. We can’t ask cops and security guards to be flawless human beings, no such person exists. Sometimes people will lose their cool. Some people may not be right for the job and they only find out once they’ve worked the job a bit. The biggest problem people in security, it should be no surprise, were those who abused their authority, made up random rules, got people in trouble for little things, acted like it was security versus the people we were there to help. A high number of guards were former police, fire, EMT, and military. Those guys were almost always whip smart, chill, and professional. Even this really grim dude who I thought had PTSD was generally pretty good. They were often retired and liked having a less intense position. The problems were everyone else. The me’s. I had no prior experience in any field related to security. I needed a job. The people like me, who got security jobs because it was what was available, those people stood a much higher chance of overestimating their power. Teenagers can be in security. It’s kind of stupid.
@@silverlightsinaugust2756 no, I totally understood what you were saying lol. I’m simply agreeing with you in my own way I guess. I thought you put it very well too!
@@kevinbradley8613 If your response to someone “antagonizing” you by not breaking the law is to initiate contact with them, then you’re the problem. Stop being such a weird, little bootlicker that you have to side with even fake police when the real thing aren’t around for you to grovel.
I know there are so many other places to audit that affect more pressing rights than the ability to use a sidewalk out of convenience for an event. I literally wouldn’t have thought twice if I had been directed to cross the street here lol. But he did say he wanted to take pics of the people entering the event (Idk how important this was to him in reality or if this was an audit to audit) so technically he did have good reason to contest security re: his rights to be on the sidewalk 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
Should have gotten an F! Mr. Sidewalks never went past the barrier and even if he did, the security guard had no right to put his hands on him. The security guard is acting like he’s the Secret Service protecting the President of the United States or something. It’s not that serious!
City of LA code doesn't allow for blocking the sidewalk with anything. Hence the event barrier protruded only a little into the sidewalk. They had to get a permit for that and that permit has a time limit.
I work as a armed vault guard and this dude got an F your channel is amazing and I agree with everything you guys say but there is zero reason for us to put our hands on people even if they are being difficult. Just call the cops and let them deal with it. Now if dude hand a gun or was attacking someone or forcing his way in that's different but dude needs to be fired before he hurts someone or someone hurts him.
I'm in the events industry and this security guards behavior against a dude just standing there is ridiculous. If you want the sidewalk closed then you get the permit to close the whole sidewalk. To me it looks like they HAD PREVIOUSLY been allowed to permit the whole sidewalk until regulation refused, and they are still told to treat it as business-as-usual
Wrong. You're not speaking of legality. You're speaking about your companies, or your personal protocol. By the way if it was my vault you were guarding I would immediately terminate your contract and find a different company. How absurd to pay good money for armed guards at my vault who are literally just going to stand back and call police and do nothing like any random citizen could. Even unarmed bouncers at bars and clubs are not pussies like you and will throw people out on their ass if they don't leave when told to.
technically the first security guard that he asked said he could film from the signs but he couldn't go past them at the beginning of video so he wasn't trespassing
Then shouldn’t it be open UP TO the barriers? The security guards should have a copy of the permit available to show the public. Otherwise, they can make up anything.
@@Magjee roughly 10 feet inside? Perhaps even further? While this auditor is an idiot, the security supervisor is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Dude gets way too angry, way too fast.
As someone who did security for years, you almost never have those documents given to security. The promotions people have a copy in the office and that is it.
I'd bet the security guy was lying about the entire sidewalk being closed from the fire hydrant. If that were the case, that is where the "Sidewalk Closed/Cross Here" sign would have been placed and not up near the entrance to the building.
It honestly does not matter if it is or not. Regardless, it is public property up to the point of the signs and barricade. If they wanted the sidewalk private they have to cordon
Dude needs to be fired. Even if he had the right to trespass this guy he had no reason to push him. The fact that they felt the need to apologize for him says a lot.
Did you pull the permit? Barriers are barely regulated I permit pulling in LA I think people’s misunderstanding of this arena tends to build confidence in their ignorant answers. Security guard didn’t do a great job, but was WELL within his rights.
Shouldn't the issuer of the permit be responsible for placing the barriers up and taking them down in a public area that they essentially rented out to a private party and maintaining their proper location?
Pushing a guy around the kerb and full-on *SCREAMING* into his face at 6:15 should be automatic grounds for an F grade for that guy who was granted a tiny amount of authority over a bit of concrete.
Honestly, I just wish there were "auditors" that had the purpose of using their right to self defense. They be as respectful as possible within their rights, and when some nobody abuses their authority, like this guy, at assaults [or batters] them then they beat the fucker down. I mean, I know that how self-defense laws are written that such people would likely not be able to successfully make a self-defense case that often (as they are purposely being an agitator), but it would be some of the most fun content to watch.
This channel does great work bringing incidents like this to life, but their "rating" system is a joke. See the video where a young woman is assaulted on the beach by police and get's an F rating for being "emotional".
@@travisking9895 It does feel arbitrary and it weighs different things more heavily in different circumstances, it seems. If a person is a victim of police violence, the best thing for that person to do is generally to verbally invoke the 5th and then remain calm. Not doing so gives the police more "ammo" to use force or charge you for more nonsense. So, if that's the reason, I can see why they'd give her an F if she kept talking and resisting. Other times, the channel praises individuals for remaining calm, but explaining their rights and behavior to police. Then there are times where I just can't figure out why so-and-so doesn't get an F or is given an F. They could just drop the rating system and instead do a summary of the good and the bad actions performed by individuals in these videos.
@@travisking9895 that case the woman assaulted the cop prior to them getting violent. Audits ratings are based on the legality of the situation. Legally speaking, this isn't a clear cut case. He has legal defenses here in this case. His rating isn't based on morality, its based on law.
@@MeTaLISaWeSoMe95 Yea, but most of these kids don't want to hear that. Always being a victim absolves them of responsibility for themselves or their actions. IMO, Mr. Sidewalks went in to this looking for a fight and some of these "auditors" are hoping for a payday on your tax dollar. Sometime the cops in these videos are over the top wrong, this Glen Beck cosplayer is definitely not totally innocent, but, to act like sidewalks didn't do everything he could think of to goad a response is also wrong.
That security supervisor had ex-cop written all over him, and I wouldn't be surprised if he has had previous job problems with his temper. He made no attempt to deescalate the situation, but instead behaved in a questionable legal fashion.
So they have permission to close off the entire sidewalk to the corner. Why isn't the sidewalk closed sign at the corner? Wouldn't that make more sense?
Most likely they had a permit for the entire sidewalk, but someone later deemed that was a better place to let pedestrians pass. However, they didn't want someone standing there to film. The legality of that is questionable, but anyone but an auditor would have left upon request.
He had every right to push and shove the arrogant SOB. These frauditors say they're "Press" and "journalists" but real journalists from recognized news outlets, those I like and even those I can't stand, don't dick with security and cops just to try and make a moot point. On his WORSE day, Fox's Peter Ducey doesn't conduct himself like this cornhole. I'm from Charleston, SC and EVERY WEEKEND there's likely a special event we have to work around in terms of parking, detours, traffic cops and event staff. We have the Citadel and two other major colleges with events downtown, games, concerts "from Rock to Bach", graduations, alumni reunions, weddings and receptions of every religion...this dude needs to accept life in the big city or move to the farm...and I don't see him on a farm. What's under my skin more than ever these days is how The Young Turks/Rebel HQ has fallen tits-over-teakettle in love with "auditors" over a few videos that shows the cops going hands-on. TYT/RHQ never seems to notice when the public employees on the receiving end of their arrogant conduct are social workers, librarians and postal officials. I lean left and I hate seeing left-leaning media fawn over a more right-leaning idea that one person's rights as a mere technicality outweigh whether the exercise of those rights is or isn't in keeping with getting along with others. One "auditor" David Schuster of RHQ fell for was a Jan6 MAGA rioter.
I would be interested to see if they did have the proper paperwork to close the sidewalk. Probably not. They just probably put signs up and did not file paperwork. I agree sue the security guard. They can’t enforce laws in the first place. If they had a problem they should have called police. That’s the other thing that tells me they didn’t file paperwork.
@@apriljk6557 That is actually not really true. Security can use physical force to remove a trespasser from a property. This physical force is usually something like escorting the trespasser from the property and not actual violence unless the trespasser uses violence himself. It is common practice in clubs or casinos. Citizens can arrest criminals if a crime had occured in their direct presence.
@@bomber9912 anybody can physically remove anybody from their private property and or higher somebody else to do it for them. Guards have no special privileges.
The security was well in his authority to give this annoying guy a little push. You should see what bouncers do on the daily😂. Mr side walk deserves a D+ in my book
@@steventcheouafei174 lots of things used to happen. Bouncers operate in clearly, unmistakable private domain. I’ll give the flag the old turned back with arms crossed if this turns out to be a persistent attitude of Trumpers and commies.
This is also what happens when you give any douche with little understanding of law and rights a video camera and tell them they can't be wrong when harassing people.
Securitxy guards have 0 authority and 0 rights reserved for them. Everything a security guard can do a normal citizen can do as well. The uniform is for identification and professional image of the company and not because they actually have these rights lol
those were uniformed security guards, I think. Just like the fella he walked up to at the beginning of the video who was giving him directions on how to enter. Same uniform and you can see it says security on the shoulder patch. Sunglasses was a supervisor - so he was in a suit.
"you are under arrest" - So, mall cops just can arrest you. I'm a certified security guard, and I can tell you, that a security guard has no more rights than Average Joe. :)
idk about the US, but here in brazil a normal citizen can technically make an arrest. you can arrest someone as long as you catch them red-handed and there's no cop in sight. then you can restrict them until authorities arrive.
@@thatmaninblack But in some countries you can actually make a citizens arrest. We also have a law for that, here in Denmark - although i've never heard about anyone having done it. However, i've seen security guards putting handcuffs on thieves and then call the police to handle it from there.
”Average Joes” DO have the ability to arrest you. You can arrest people…I can arrest people. However, the caveat is that you open yourself up to false arrest, kidnapping and other charges because you don’t have qualified immunity like the police.
I was hoping the legal code AtA went through would have stipulated the permit would have to be on display or made available on request but I'm sure that was expecting too much from a Los Angeles municipal code.
IMHO because that part of the sidewalk was still open to the public as a thoroughfare he is allowed to be there even if they have that section permitted. I’m willing to bet the security supervisor used to be a cop . He is over aggressive. Check his wife for bruises. He obviously has anger issues.
Honestly...just knock him out. The idea that you can talk to someone like that and walk away from it repulses me. Add on the pushing and chasing and that's a free beating, tee up.
@@tbecker403 Same here BUT i wouldn't mind any jail time for putting that freak down with minimal injury. No one ever put that guy down before or he wouldn't be acting like that. Can always tell the disrespectful people in life that never had their bell rang. Best wishes T
And even if it was, this could be seen as unnecessary harassment, because every pedestrian would plan to use it and then have their intentions foiled. That is one reason why signs exist.
You're seeing the security supervisor peaking in life. He gets to play Secret Service and fancies himself protecting VIPs. He's a good boy. So it made him feel insecure when Mr. Sidewalks came along questioning his authority. He thought, "Don't you see the suit and my cool shades? Did you miss the earpiece I'm using? I always thought these items were cool and implied absolute authority. Why don't you? How can I get you to immediately grovel to me? I'M WEARING A SUIT!"
The venue isn’t giving up on their stance. Said Mr. Sidewalk “harasses” people for viral content. The only harassment I see is a man vilifying another man’s protected right to free press. Despicable venue
@@brittnymturk9338 if you look at 1:50, you can clearly see the square metal sign on street's left. then look at the layout in several places (2:22 for example, after he has backed up a bit) you can see that sign is well past the street closed signs. he was past those signs for an indeterminate amount of time between edits before the security head came to deal with him. Not saying the head was justified in all his actions, but this guy absolutely was past the closed sidewalk signs.
I'm so glad I found this channel, I've learned so much of what I should and shouldn't do if I ever interact with law enforcement. Thanks for the great content and analysis of these interactions.
He was told by the first guard not to go beyond the barrier and he didn’t. That’s it. The fault is on the security team for not having a clear understanding of where the sidewalks are closed. Mr Sidewalks should have pointed this out.
As a little kid I would get autographs in front of hotels on the sidewalk. Security would do the same thing where they would yell, intimidate, and push people. They certainly didn't have permits to shut down the public sidewalk but they acted like it. This guy should be in jail.
If you wanted to sneak in there, just get someone to distract all the security guards like this guy did. Pretty big gap in security when all of them will pursue one guy.
Dang. I wanted to react just watching the video. Mr. Security guard would have understood stand your ground and what the ground feels like after the second assault. This man has serious issues. What about the ruckus he raised for his employer? Holy cow! He successfully freaked out all the guests within earshot as well doing exactly the opposite of what he was hired for! Sorry for stating in the obvious but man it’s hard not to comment on these foolish grown men.
This took place in California, even if he were to hit your nuts with a hammer and you beat him to a pulp. YOU would be found guilty and they would say you caused the issue in the first place
He was not trespassing as they did not maintain a sign, fence, or indication that the area in question was being used per the standard. The signage actually says cross here so it is open to the public per their signs. They got it wrong again. It is an F and a A- because of lack of follow thru.
Agreed, even if they did get a permit, due to where they placed the signage, they in essence gave up the sidewalk from the signage outward. You can't have signage for the public to rely on, then act as if your signage was incorrect.
Devil's advocate - It's a moot point once he verbally trespassed him from the part of the sidewalk he claimed he had authority over. The crux of the argument is whether or not the event was permitted as he stated or if the closure was only lawful up to where they put barriers up. Not devil's advocate - I'm dubious as to the accuracy of security's claim. Why post the barriers where they did and not where his permit allowed? Unless they were providing access to a crosswalk or something through their space...
I'm sorry, if I had been in that position the moment dude put hands on me he would have caught hands. He isn't a cop, he has no authority past where the barricade is. He's a glorified rent-a-guard. I definitely think that the filmer should sue the venue and whoever rented it out for the event.
Did you watch the video? Audit the Audit clearly explained exactly why, and pointed out exactly which laws make it a bad idea to attempt a lawsuit, not only would be a waste of money, it would be a huge waste of time.
@@theendofthestart8179 Not really, he failed to notice/point out the the senior supervisor apologized for the outdoor supervisors behavior and said the sidewalk on the face side of the barriers was open to the public. This means that the Outdoor supervisor had no authority to act as he did and was in the wrong for getting violent both verbally and physically. His Authority ended when he crossed the barrier.
@@robertfergusson5367 Whether or not stupid security guard was in the right or wrong is somewhat irrelevant in this scenario, of course if you must know, he is obviously in the wrong, and while I believe that any reasonable jury could see that, it would be very hard for sidewalks to convince said jury that he is owed anything for the injustices he face. often, in fact more often than not, auditors such as sidewalks have to spend months and months of time to see a court hearing anyway.
@@theendofthestart8179 file battery charges first. After hes convicted then file suit. Easier to get settlement from rent a sh*t or the venue that hired him. Or the company that hired him. Like spaghetti. Throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. Plenty of blood thirsty lawyers out there someone would take case with payment pending the win/settlement
As an In-Service Security Supervisor, I do NOT condone this Supervisor’s actions, plus if the whole sidewalk is close(with the right permits ofc) the sign should be at the start of the sidewalk
Exactly. They closed it off at the appropriate points for entry into the building. I do love how there were other people walking and crossing the street while all this was going on.
Yeah, clearly this security fool needs to be fired, sued, and the company that neglected to train him regarding the law also needs to be sued. They only learn lessons through pain.
This frauditor needs to be fired, sued and thrown into prison. The judicial system needs to train him to follow laws and not harass people. They only learn lessons through pain.
@@the_last_ninja9592 I wish I had even more sense, maybe I could figure out why all these kids are brainwashed to think it's okay to fuck around but refuse to find out.
I have a security license I've been security for around 4 years giving this guy a C- is way too generous every security company I've worked for if you is much as Touch Somebody then you're instantly terminated most of the time with your license being revoked at the same time if you start yelling at somebody most companies will send you home for the day at least although that one does depend on the company every company I've worked for and most of the security guards I've worked with hate it when I say this but as a security guard you are literally a glorified camera that's all you are you see a crime being committed in front of you you can tell them to stop but you can't touch them you call the police and stay away from them this guy deserves a z -
What's the point of being a security guard if you can't touch people? In Sweden it's very different, we are allowed to use force to detain people and frisk in search of dangerous objects, weapons and stolen goods.
@@timmagnusson7017 It very much depends on the state you’re operating in. Generally security guards are only authorized to use force when force has been used by the offending party first. Ultimately, it must be done only on the private property that you are charged with protecting. No exceptions on this rule. In this case, the security guard was in no way allowed to touch the man in this video as he was on public property.
If security can't use force or even touch anybody without the risk of termination then the question must be asked, wtf is security there for? I can not imagine large scale events being held under control simply by words or suggestion, that is ridiculous!
As security, you're job is to observe and report. Once the person is breaking the law by trespassing (misdemeanor in California), you need to call "law enforcement" because that's what they're paid to do and they get to have the fun of telling the event coordinator whether they're right or wrong regarding the permit. I'm a security supervisor for a huge shopping plaza in Los Angeles. Typically, when I start calling police, the person leaves because surprise, they also don't know the law and are just there to instigate like that guy was clearly doing. Security took an L on this one by verbally assaulting the guy and committing battery.
It's interesting how American security guards are allowed to wear uniforms that are very similar to police. This is a big no no in the UK, use of fluorescent paint, paisley checker, or any other police uniform feature is highly illegal.
private owners own the United States. generally, a privately owned business has more rights than a person, and the state. and when a security personnel is privately employed, they basically are like robocop meets the wolf of Wall Street. it's really sad
I would beg to differ. Thousands of vids from the UK, showing security, dressing similar to the police. Its only when you get closer can one tell the difference. Same as PCSOs and the so called Enforcement people operating in town centres.
@@NathanHedglin It varies from state to state, some laws only explicitly prohibit reproduction of specific badge designs as that is, legally speaking, the proof of office/power.
Honestly this guy was very patient with the security guard, I would have punched him full force in the face after the second push when he started yelling.
That's what I've been saying. That area of the sidewalk was clearly not closed and after the first battery by Mr security guy he needed to be knocked out cold.
I actually just got a job as a security officer at a hotel. There's a lot of people who keep telling me to be a hardass with people, but I believe if I maintain a friendly conversation with people while also stopping them from doing what they're not supposed to do, that it'll be much better than just constantly yelling and pushing people around like this this security guard did.
@@MrJackal43 I was more referring to my job, and not this guy. This security guard was just abusing his "authority" because he has nothing else in his life.
@@Tinkuwu “nothing else in his life” yup totally! I could def see this security guard as one of those type guys who just goes walking around on sidewalks and creepily filming people and barking shit like “it’s my rights! It’s my rights!” lol it’s like, get a life, you weirdo security guard guy! haha lol
In Mr sidewalks defence he did not actually cross that barrier and at the time of the assault by the supervisor he was still stood on public land to which he was lawfully allowed to stand upon.
What are you even talking about. The guy was on a public sidewalk, standing IN FRONT of the sign. Behind the sign is the private sidewalk. He could do whatever he was doing.
It's just like no matter what you do....if you are a cop or cop adjacent, you can do whatever you want and there is always a law to get you out of a charge.
On any property a designated agent may enforce the owner / renter's rights. IF they had a permit, then the security guard may enforce that closure. The problems are in the way the sidewalk was closed and their failure to call police to enforce it.
He did, if the area was closed he was 100% within his authority to ask the guy to leave, he was NOT within his authority to push the guy towards the street.
If he is an agent of the party in lawful possession of the sidewalk, he can order anyone to leave it. The question is whether there really was a permit and if it granted possession of that area.
If they had a permit to closed the sidewalk, it was clearly marked in the wrong spot. The signs should have been placed where the security said it was closed.
There's a few lads who need a hard lesson in respect. The photographer would have been justified, imo, in defending himself after the clown with the sunglasses shoved him. The first guard told him he could walk up to the barricades. That was clearly public sidewalk and was not closed. Mr. sidewalks should have called the police at least.
I work in film where we close down entire streets, sidewalks, and alleyways all the time. I'm often one of the people manning those barricades to direct people and ask them not to take photographs. One of the important differences is that we're well aware that we have no real power, but if we fail in our duties then there's a chance of not being hired on the next show. Because of this I just straight up tell people that. Being polite and honest does a hell of a lot better job than screaming in each other's faces
@@jimmyjupiter8887 Could you imagine the unbelievable amount of waste that it would create to build a set for every single scene of every single movie/show/commercial? Why build an entire cafe for 1 scene when you can just rent a local one out for the day? Plus this way, WAY more people get free money. Immensely better for the economy
@@jimmyjupiter8887 I think it's simply economics. If permit costs are lower than building a set then go with the permit. I would agree it's less ethical because of public nuisance but then again movie ticket prices are already insane.
Amen man. Just say "I'm gonna get my ass chewed out if you go this way do you mind going around?"... Works a lot better as we all deal with asshole bosses.
Time mark 2:14 shows the important information here. The barricade was never crossed. If the whole side walk was closed from the fire hydrant then the signs should have been at the fire hydrant. No trespass was committed.
Allowing access to a closed area for the explicit purpose of enabling access to a street crossing. No "right of passage" established, trespassing confirmed when ordered to leave. Too bad the fuckboi started petty insult throwing because he wasn't being allowed to film random people on the street for the crime of "attending an event on his turf".
@@Reinforce_Zwei while I agree his behavior wasn't the best you can clearly see on the video that he never crossed into the closed area. He only stood at the edge.
@@Anton-tu8gi Imagine if he was permitted to be a cop? The trainees probably saw something dangerous in him and sent him home. He would be a huge liability to fellow LEO’s. He’d get a lot of people killed and or murder a lot of innocent civilians. He probably was ab used as a child. Get him out of the protection business all together. I’m an army veteran, I’ve been on protection mode all my life since I was 14yrs old. I know a problem and a threat when I see one.
@@Anton-tu8gi it’s one thing to have aggression and no fear of criminals and problem situations but you have to have the basics down and know how to problem solve and know rights. Every situation does not require 0 to 100 every time. Imagine going down a street at 120mph on a 35mph street with cars on both sites. What do you think is going to happen? That’s this guy. Somebody is going to put him down or he is going to do it to himself.
The "security supervisor" 🤣 in shades is a perfect example of, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. If the entire sidewalk was blocked, signs should have been placed as such. They weren't. The brown shirt security cretin couldn't take that Mr Sidewalk "didn't respect my authoritah" From me he gets an, F U.
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A C- for the security guard?... What would he have to do to get an F, gun the journalist down? ... Obviously the sidewalk was OPEN, because it was not barricaded! ... PERIOD!
how can you disregard what is clear to see, the portion of the sidewalk where the photographer was standing had nothing todo with a closed area or the authority of security
It's always funny when people walk up to you and then accuse you of being too close to them.
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Practice short head-butts, works wonders
Similarly funny when they say "you got a problem? I'm right here." While backing up.
@@danieljones2936 it's called being a redneck, it knows no geography or class
@@dimbusjenkins if you don't know the proper definition of " redneck " you shouldn't use the term .
and it's obvious you don't know . . .which is ironic considering the machine you used to post your idiotic comment could have been used to look that up easily yet you chose ignorance over common sense .
here's your sign . . . L
Did you notice all the while the 3 security guards were forcing Mr. Sidewalk to the end of the block claiming they had secured the sidewalk for their event, a skateboarder and a man walking his dog used that same sidewalk? Seems the camera was the issue.
And that will certainly hurt their argument in court.
@@ianbattles7290 nope
@@ianbattles7290 Not really.
He was asked not to film or photograph the attendees at a private event, sponsored by a private institution, at a private location. This isn't like going to the DMV or city hall and filming the public events there. He might as well have been taking pictures of people without their consent in their own homes.
The reason security is hired is to keep freaks like Mr. Sidewalks away.
@@dusknalos9545 He means it's hurt the security guard's argument in court for allowing the other people on that part of the sidewalk
Just goes to show that if you given even a tiny amount of authority to prove, they will abuse it and use it to harm others. That rent-a-cop should be charged
This is a humanity problem, not a rent a cop problem, especially since the exact same can be said about auditors everywhere lmao
@@PANDAXD001 lol good point!
@@PANDAXD001 no. In this case the original statement holds accurate.
Works both ways, but most of you don't want to know that...
@@PANDAXD001 you 100% right
"you have bad breath, man"
"That's...mildly interesting."
Listen- even professional comedy writers can't produce that kind of naturally hilarious interaction.
😂😂😂😂😂
Facts! That was comedy gold right there.
I am stealing this phrase.
Don’t forget the “uuuggghh” right after he said it😂
I’m a security officer and I can tell you, I am not arguing with anyone about anything. If you don’t want to leave, the cops can handle it.
I think the biggest issue here is that the security supervisor was making claims not supported by the setup on the ground. Why would anyone think the 50 feet ahead of the actual signage was also closed? Or think they couldn't stand outside the barricade and watch people enter the event? If they wanted the full sidewalk closed, they should have closed it. I suspect the permit area was only where the physicial barricade was set up and the security supervisor was lying.
So, you are just a camera/phone on legs?
@@corneilcorneil yessir not worth a fight or a lawsuit. while every security company is different, mine does not pay or encourage us to get involved in any scuffles or situations ultimately because it’ll come back down on the company. Our company doesnt want to have to pay for medical expenses or law suits and I’m so fine with that lol
@@soyjeffe__ my uncle is bouncer for a night club in Philly, he says if you constantly find yourself getting in physical altercations or shouting matches you're doing the job wrong. Your presence and demeanor should be enough to handle 90% of situations you'd find yourself in (ie being a 6'3 280 lbs bodybuilder keeping a calm and professional attitude making it clear that the patron doesn't have a choice in the matter while implying possible physical harm that will in actuality never happen) for the 10 percent that's too stupid to get what's happening just call the cops. By his own words the only time you should ever put your hands on someone is when you reasonably believe you or a customer might be in danger and need to defend yourself, the guys who stay calm and clear headed are the ones who can make a nice career for themselves while the insecure aggressive guys who gotta prove how tough they are get booted within a year or two
Which is what your brief is meant to be not escalating like this asswipe who decided to be judge jury and executioner.
The gentleman who came to talk after the jerk, knows how to handle a situation. He has class, and got a point across politely.
Definitely. I think he should be the real security supervisor.
The one that put his hands on him was wrong and the second guard was trying to calm him down and get him to leave, so was the third one. The first one should have just called the cops
That's Mr. Miyagi.😂
true og
It's how the jerk should have acted. if he had there'd probably have been no issue at all.
A "C-" for the security supervisor is a little bizarre. I've seen you give police officers an "F" grade for less. This guy assaulted a citizen for essentially no reason and under very dubious justification. Mr. Sidewalks didn't pass the marked barriers and wasn't aggressive. He made no attempt to trespass.
Security supervisor was aggressive, assaulted an innocent person, and was belligerent the whole time, even screaming like a child throwing a tantrum at one point. Regardless of if the law might let him skirt any sort of punishment for his assaulting a citizen, he deserves an "F" here, easily.
Security supervisor should get arrested. He should have gotten an F. I think you are getting too generous.
@@Vick--1052 I agree hes possibly homosexual.
Audit the Audit repeatedly shows it's bias in favor of authority.
@@canucanoe2861 From the sample of videos I've seen, it seems inconsistent to me. Possibly a strategy to play both sides and gain more viewers, who knows. But giving the security guy a C- is stunningly outrageous. Even if it was 100% confirmed that MrSidewalks was on private property, he should get an F. The signs need to be placed accurately to mark the boundary, period.
@@morelhunter3966 what dose someone's sexual orientation have anything to do with this?
Head of security deserves an F. You are too kind. He was completely wrong and made my blood boil. I hope he doesn’t still hold a position of power.
This channel always grades cops and security high. This is a bootlicker channel but they hide it pretty well.
…AND his dental hygiene apparently needs revision!
Glad it wasn't just me hating this guy, I'm a peaceful person- but i want to get into it with him. And what is up with the guy with badge and uniform just watching the assault?
Even guy's subordinates seem ashamed of him and almost look like they've apologized for inappropriate behavior before.
I give the narrator a grade of D- for his pronunciation of "trespass". Why does he keep saying "truspass"?
He never did.
The second security guard deserved an A+ for successfully deescalating the situation.
He was super cool about it, clearly didnt like what he saw
Yeah he was cool AF. I doubt he has problems with people complying with him because the way interacts shows mutual respect. That first guy was a total bag of douche.
He probably got fired for undermining the supervisors authority
"I don't know his name, I just know he's my supervisor"
lol
@@GoErikTheRed usually with this kind of job security guards are hired specifically for that event and haven’t met each other before
This "security guard" looks like he's trying to look like a secret service agent.
That's what I about to say to
None the less, the guy filming is an obvious asshole who just wants to provoke.
haha he has proper material for FBI or CIA agent, no one could really tell he would be a secret agent 🧐🤣
es un pobre perdedor que se aprobecha de cualquier oportunidad para sentir lo que es "poder" jaja
Oh, You mean 'SnaggleTooth?'
Smelly Guard: The sidewalk is closed!!!
Kid casually riding his scooter down the “closed” sidewalk in question at 8:08 : NOPE
And the dog pees on the pole later.
This proves that he was only targeted because of his camera. Every other pedestrian is being ignored.
@@ianbattles7290 and that he acted like he worked for inside edition confronting them with a bunch of questions
@@MultiGemgirl questions are not illegal, or even impolite.
@@MultiGemgirlas long as he is not impersonating law enforcement, lying/acting like you’re part of a group is not illegal.
The way the second guy came to him and talked is how cops need to learn to talk to people and act towards
I was a security officer for over 20 years. Use of force in this situation is completely unjustified.
Security guard needs a dental plan if he wants to act like that. Not for his bad breath caused by gingivitis but the teeth he would have lost trying to man handle someone like that.. Everyone thinks they're a rock star these days..
@@Ivarr.Bergmann.Alaska litteraly starts barking when all he had to do was call the cops and if they had their papers in order it would have been an arrest
@@youdontknowme3935 Yup, the shouting was just showing off his imagined authority and tough-guy persona.
No way, really?
Are you aloud to use force whatsoever when having the title security guard?
That security guard had 0 right to do what he did. "Mr sidewalk" did not pass the boundaries that were clearly marked. The authority of a security guard, as you read, is only lawful on private property, not public property. If they truly had a permit that gave them private use of the sidewalk to the area the security guard stated, then they would have had those sidewalk closed barriers at that point. I hope "Mr sidewalk" did follow up and even press charges on the security guard for assault.
They also did not stop others from using the sidewalk. So the sidewalk was closed only to mr sidewalks
Battery* not assault. But yeah, I agree.
@Calvin H. Exactly point on!
@@KellyMurphy That was just perfect for "Mr. Sidewalks" defense filming as someone rode a scooter right by the security guard.
Indeed. The man recording kept acting like a victim instead of stating that point.
I agree, that guard was very aggressive. Also, I think their main issue was that their barriers were not blocking the sidewalk at the point where they claimed it was closed. He never crossed the barriers but was asked to go back to the fire hydrant, so they should have put a barrier at the fire hydrant if that's where the line was.
Very aggressive!!!! Understatement of the year. The mother-f***** is fucking crazy. Wow lock him up in a straightjacket.
Also, did you notice other people were walking back and forth on the same stretch of sidewalk??
Maybe the club did have the right to put up barriers near to the fire hydrant but didn't want to needlessly inconvenience the rest of the public? It seems like a fairly busy area.
Considering how your actions effect others is basic decency, something Mr. Sidewalks knows nothing about.
@@iamherefortheshow699 Yeah, I noticed that as well. That was the real funny part.
@@jasonlongton1876 that's bullshit. They could have put a sign with a copy of the permit from the city authorizing the closure. That doesn't take much or impede anyone. PS I worked armed security.
"You have bad breath man"
"That's...mildly interesting" LOL
The guy who handles the situation like a adult should be the supervisor.
He did. The guy filming was a child like mentality.
The situation was handled. He was already removed. That's what he's calm about it.
Why do rent-a-cops think they have any power? They are basically like a safety patrol back in grade school.
bad training.
Tiny peepees
@@SirStanleytheStumbler lmao not bad training it’s that they ignored the training in the class. I took the class it’s pretty thorough on what u can and can’t do. They decide that being a security guard is basically a cop in there own head. When I’m reality all they are supposed to do is observe and report to the police 🤦♂️
"I am.....THE HALL MONITOOOR!! >:D"
“hall monitors”
He, the auditor, wasn't trespassing at all, because he never passed behind the sign they had put up. If they didn't want anybody that close by, they should have put their signs next to the fire hydrant, period.
And the city likely required the sign to be placed there, so people could access the crosswalk
There doesn't have to be a sign because he verbally told him and showed him. But they definitely should have a sign
@@MrTaylorfenoglio NO a sign IS requred by the city, to be place in the proper position.
@@MrTaylorfenoglio That is incorrect. As Auidit the audit showed, part of the permit was the requirement for the sign/barrier to alert the public of the proper closed off area. It did not allow for a verbal warning instead.
@@MrTaylorfenoglio jesus dude did you even watch the video
Apologizing for the guy’s behavior doesn’t mean a damn thing. That guy won’t change his behavior at all unless he faces significant negative consequences.
I give the security supervisor an F minus.
I give him a G
agreed
I can almost guarantee the security guy was an ex COP that got fired for excessive force. Most COPs take it personally if you do not obey anything they say whether it's a crime or legal it's just a control thing. I had a COP do nearly the same thing to me for me saying "hey dude" when he walked up to my car after pulling me over for a headlight out. He was screaming like that, made me get out of the car, and got in my face screaming "call me dude one more time"...
I don’t think it’s safe to make assumptions. Look at Jeremy Dewitt.
@@dickgozenya1542 Dewitte is a one in a million exception. This security supervisor had former cop written all over him, and was one who very likely had temper problems in the past.
I wish the security guard had a gun. And used it
@@549BR haha, the point is, assumption.
Reminds me of the discourse between Hamilton and Washington: "Call me son one more time!"
Whether the security guard was "legal" or not, at least the first push appears to push Mr. Sidewalk towards the street, which was not closed. Had Mr. Sidewalk lost this balance or tripped due to that push, he could have fallen into the street, into oncoming traffic.
I also have a problem with the sidewalk being closed and pedestrians being directed to cross a busy, multi-lane street without the aid of a traffic signal or police officer.
It also appears that they didn't close the entire width of the sidewalk. On camera, it looked like there was enough room to pass the restricted area without entering the restricted area. As noted, other people who were not filming were milling about past the "sidewalk closed" signs, unimpeded.
I also thought I heard the security supervisor say they closed a bus stop. Even if they had a permit for the sidewalk, did that permit really extend to taking down a stop on bus route?
I have lots of issues with this whole situation, no matter how you slice it.
i doubt they got the sidewalk permit
It appears that there was a crosswalk for pedestrians where the sign was telling them to cross. Likely because of the bus stop and the entrance to the Ebell
Oh right, if the "sidewalk closed" sign isn't physically blocking the sidewalk then the sidewalk isn't actually closed.
Not to mention that 99% of security companies will instantly terminate you for just touching somebody and most of those will also get your security license revoked or suspended for a Time at least for that company in particular this is coming from somebody who's been in the security business for 4 years I know it's not a long time but that's my experience with it
This is the communist state of California where the laws are made up by the entitled against the common people. I’m guessing the shitbag security ahole was someone who gets off thinking he is a tough guy. He should not be employed in this job. He is a liability to who ever hires him. Some advice to Mr. security be careful who you push, someday you may push the wrong guy and get hurt or worse.
Head of security gets an "F" in my book. He had zero clue of the marked areas and pushed Mr. Sidewalks several times in order to get his way. Which was unfounded. He deserves nothing higher with my grading scale.
The grading scale created in your head from negative emotions, got it.
@@Kyle-pj2vc Nah the grading scale of a dumbass security guard getting emotional and pushing someone who was standing on public property. You okay Kyle?
@@Kyle-pj2vc Put yourself behind bars in an attempt to do your job = F no emotions. Get your ego in check.
@@victoriapollard6995 I'm not the one with the make believe grading scale.
Press F to pay respects for Kyle's completely lost cognitive abilities to reason.
A C-??? Come on Audit. That's a clear F.
This is why I enjoy his videos, he doesn't base his ratings on feelings but cold hard case law and in this scenario regardless of how we feel about the security guard he had legal avenues to argue he was in the right.
@@MrWhiteytidy 2 other people used the sidewalk....the ONLY thing wrong was the camera in the morons eyes..
I was a security guard for roughly three years, and I never was told to yell at or shove people. Security is absolutely a customer service position. You speak with people and tell them what they can or cannot do on the property you’ve been assigned to.
In a recertification class I had to take, they played a video of one of our own guys, who I knew, video’d by an auditor just like this, trying to calmly explain that the sidewalk is not public property. We were told NEVER to do that. Never ever try to tell people what the law is, because we don’t know the law.
All we know is our post orders, and in those orders you’ll always find that the jurisdiction of the guards ends at the sidewalk. If you see a crime or accident out on the sidewalk you can call the police from your post, but you can’t leave your post.
Observe and report is the motto for security as a profession. Observe and report are not synonyms for shove and shout. To protect yourself legally, we were always told that if someone wasn’t complying with a trespass, to call the cops. Basically 99% of the time, unless it’s a Karen, the person will listen once the cops show up. And then it’s in their hands after that.
Mr. Sidewalk is just as much of a clown as the security supervisor in my opinion. It is obvious that the person filming is purposely antagonizing and pushing boundaries. I’m a newcomer to the whole concept of auditing like this, and I have to admit that these videos are entertaining. I know folks who would have lost their cool and probably taken things a step further with this particular sidewalk fellow simply for him being a nuisance. Thankfully, those people are not in the security business 😂. Sure, he might have a right to walk over to the edge of the closed off area and film, but should he be doing it? Both individuals in this situation are in the wrong here, I think. Both are acting irresponsibly.
@@kevinbradley8613 By no means was I intending to defend the guy. I actually didn’t even watch this video. I listened to it while I was at work. So I have no clue what the dude was doing beyond his words.
My whole point was not about him, just the guard. It simply doesn’t matter how belligerent someone is, as a security guard it’s imperative that you keep your cool. You aren’t a cop, you don’t know and can’t enforce the law, you are there to establish boundaries set forth by the business’ requirements, with clarity and respect. If they are not followed, the biggest threat you make is “I’m going to call the police.” And I worked at an OC spray certified site. Never needed to even mention it to somebody.
If you have ever played the new Hitman games, when you are caught trespassing, the security guards don’t stand there and interrogate you, or shout or push you. They escort you back to where you’re allowed to be. They’re very chill about it.
That may be a superhuman, unrealistic standard. I certainly think so. We can’t ask cops and security guards to be flawless human beings, no such person exists. Sometimes people will lose their cool. Some people may not be right for the job and they only find out once they’ve worked the job a bit.
The biggest problem people in security, it should be no surprise, were those who abused their authority, made up random rules, got people in trouble for little things, acted like it was security versus the people we were there to help.
A high number of guards were former police, fire, EMT, and military. Those guys were almost always whip smart, chill, and professional. Even this really grim dude who I thought had PTSD was generally pretty good.
They were often retired and liked having a less intense position. The problems were everyone else. The me’s. I had no prior experience in any field related to security. I needed a job.
The people like me, who got security jobs because it was what was available, those people stood a much higher chance of overestimating their power. Teenagers can be in security. It’s kind of stupid.
@@silverlightsinaugust2756 no, I totally understood what you were saying lol. I’m simply agreeing with you in my own way I guess. I thought you put it very well too!
@@kevinbradley8613 If your response to someone “antagonizing” you by not breaking the law is to initiate contact with them, then you’re the problem.
Stop being such a weird, little bootlicker that you have to side with even fake police when the real thing aren’t around for you to grovel.
@@kevinbradley8613 if had walked past the “sidewalk closed” sign he would have been antagonizing otherwise he was perfectly within his rights.
As soon as the guard laid a finger on him, all bets are off. Sue that rent-a-cop!
You are the definition of a coward.
That is assault, and an actual police officer witnessed it and did nothing, so I'd sue the city of Los Angeles as well.
@@TheFett79 It was not an actual police officer XD Was a security guard with a badge on his shoulder ;)
Yep! I would have f*cked dude up!
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The female security deserves an F, for failing to remove the fly from her eyeball
And for inability to pick out a shirt in a correct size for her.
It was pink eye
Lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ethiopian eye fly
That wasn't a fly, she has a raging case of pink eye.
I love that there's a random guy just auditing people's knowledge of sidewalks
He's enforcing that people respect our rights to use sidewalks.
I know there are so many other places to audit that affect more pressing rights than the ability to use a sidewalk out of convenience for an event. I literally wouldn’t have thought twice if I had been directed to cross the street here lol. But he did say he wanted to take pics of the people entering the event (Idk how important this was to him in reality or if this was an audit to audit) so technically he did have good reason to contest security re: his rights to be on the sidewalk 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
@@A_ndrea He's auditing. That means the only reason he's there is to test whether they'll violate his rights.
@@A_ndrea he needs no reason. the fact that he has the right to be there is the only thing that is relevant.
Giving a C- for someone who assaulted a citizen is crazy
Should have gotten an F! Mr. Sidewalks never went past the barrier and even if he did, the security guard had no right to put his hands on him. The security guard is acting like he’s the Secret Service protecting the President of the United States or something. It’s not that serious!
It's aruagble he wasn't assaulted. did you watch the video?
i totally agree. whether he was in the right or not, he clearly lost all emotional control. I also feel surprised that he didn't get an F.
@@MichaelGallagher97 do you know what counts as assault/battery? any unwanted contact counts
Exactly
Normally the permit must be posted. You can’t trespass if sidewalks are open.
Bingo!
City of LA code doesn't allow for blocking the sidewalk with anything. Hence the event barrier protruded only a little into the sidewalk. They had to get a permit for that and that permit has a time limit.
Yes a copy of the permit should be on display as well with the barricades.
I work as a armed vault guard and this dude got an F your channel is amazing and I agree with everything you guys say but there is zero reason for us to put our hands on people even if they are being difficult. Just call the cops and let them deal with it. Now if dude hand a gun or was attacking someone or forcing his way in that's different but dude needs to be fired before he hurts someone or someone hurts him.
I'm in the events industry and this security guards behavior against a dude just standing there is ridiculous.
If you want the sidewalk closed then you get the permit to close the whole sidewalk. To me it looks like they HAD PREVIOUSLY been allowed to permit the whole sidewalk until regulation refused, and they are still told to treat it as business-as-usual
100%
I have to raise it from an F to a D- because when accused of having bad breath his response was "that is mildly interesting."
yeah im pretty sure he was in violation of the law and the other guy had every right to defend him self
Wrong. You're not speaking of legality. You're speaking about your companies, or your personal protocol.
By the way if it was my vault you were guarding I would immediately terminate your contract and find a different company. How absurd to pay good money for armed guards at my vault who are literally just going to stand back and call police and do nothing like any random citizen could.
Even unarmed bouncers at bars and clubs are not pussies like you and will throw people out on their ass if they don't leave when told to.
technically the first security guard that he asked said he could film from the signs but he couldn't go past them at the beginning of video so he wasn't trespassing
Then shouldn’t it be open UP TO the barriers?
The security guards should have a copy of the permit available to show the public. Otherwise, they can make up anything.
Exactly, isn't the whole point of the barrier to mark the EDGE of a prohibited zone?
@@ianbattles7290 usually you set the barrier just inside the zone, so you have some leeway. (At least we did when we had events.)
@@Magjee roughly 10 feet inside? Perhaps even further? While this auditor is an idiot, the security supervisor is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Dude gets way too angry, way too fast.
@@tiktokjourney8472 no problem with anger - but physical contact?
As someone who did security for years, you almost never have those documents given to security. The promotions people have a copy in the office and that is it.
I'd bet the security guy was lying about the entire sidewalk being closed from the fire hydrant. If that were the case, that is where the "Sidewalk Closed/Cross Here" sign would have been placed and not up near the entrance to the building.
Pretty clear
It's quite likely they had no permit at all. Just a few signs and friends at City Hall.
yes exactly, it is solely on hime ebcause of his filming yet all the others allowed through
It honestly does not matter if it is or not. Regardless, it is public property up to the point of the signs and barricade. If they wanted the sidewalk private they have to cordon
I think so too. And for safety purposes, it makes more sense that crossing the street should be done at the appropriate "pedestrian crossing" location
Dude needs to be fired. Even if he had the right to trespass this guy he had no reason to push him. The fact that they felt the need to apologize for him says a lot.
He needs to be criminally charged
He wasn't trespassing, he was on public property.
Basically a grown child throwing a rage tantrum because he wasn't getting his way.
Lmao😂
I give the guard an F in this case. Even if the barrier was not placed properly, the auditor stayed outside of it.
Did you pull the permit? Barriers are barely regulated I permit pulling in LA
I think people’s misunderstanding of this arena tends to build confidence in their ignorant answers.
Security guard didn’t do a great job, but was WELL within his rights.
@@misledprops I don't need to know what the permit said, The location of the barrier is all I need to know.
Ha. Nope.
Shouldn't the issuer of the permit be responsible for placing the barriers up and taking them down in a public area that they essentially rented out to a private party and maintaining their proper location?
@@rogerm3708 That's how I look at it. They put the barrier in some spot. Everybody else is free to stand behind the barrier.
Pushing a guy around the kerb and full-on *SCREAMING* into his face at 6:15 should be automatic grounds for an F grade for that guy who was granted a tiny amount of authority over a bit of concrete.
Curb lol
Kerb
Honestly, I just wish there were "auditors" that had the purpose of using their right to self defense. They be as respectful as possible within their rights, and when some nobody abuses their authority, like this guy, at assaults [or batters] them then they beat the fucker down.
I mean, I know that how self-defense laws are written that such people would likely not be able to successfully make a self-defense case that often (as they are purposely being an agitator), but it would be some of the most fun content to watch.
@@philosophicaljay3449 Srsly... this is why auditors should carry pepper spray, like Amagansett Press
CURB!
Unbelievable, try proof reading and use proper spelling
Funny the security guard wants the man to have a permit to stand on a public sidewalk, all while being a pretend-cop with no real authority.
That security guard is a Barney Fife.. 😂
The Security supervisor had the authority to tell the nobody to crawl his insignificant ass away. Dees is pubbbleeek probity.
@@troyevitt2437 yeah. Public property. Sorry Russian bot that you hate rights and freedoms but that's America
Bruh😂😂😂😂
I would caution the self-absorbed security supervisor. One of these days he's going to cross the wrong guy, and likely get his ass kicked.
Or killed. It IS california after all. /shrug
Would do him good.
Mark I think you put a comma in your statement, but that comma does not belong there.
@@spaceexploration4169 who cares about a comma in the wrong place besides a english teacher grading papers? you must have a very lonely life.
I hop it’s televised
"The man who committed the assault gets a low, passing grade... The man who obeyed the law gets a slightly higher grade."
This channel has some weird logic from time to time
This channel does great work bringing incidents like this to life, but their "rating" system is a joke. See the video where a young woman is assaulted on the beach by police and get's an F rating for being "emotional".
@@travisking9895 It does feel arbitrary and it weighs different things more heavily in different circumstances, it seems. If a person is a victim of police violence, the best thing for that person to do is generally to verbally invoke the 5th and then remain calm. Not doing so gives the police more "ammo" to use force or charge you for more nonsense. So, if that's the reason, I can see why they'd give her an F if she kept talking and resisting. Other times, the channel praises individuals for remaining calm, but explaining their rights and behavior to police.
Then there are times where I just can't figure out why so-and-so doesn't get an F or is given an F. They could just drop the rating system and instead do a summary of the good and the bad actions performed by individuals in these videos.
@@travisking9895 that case the woman assaulted the cop prior to them getting violent. Audits ratings are based on the legality of the situation. Legally speaking, this isn't a clear cut case. He has legal defenses here in this case. His rating isn't based on morality, its based on law.
@@MeTaLISaWeSoMe95 Yea, but most of these kids don't want to hear that. Always being a victim absolves them of responsibility for themselves or their actions. IMO, Mr. Sidewalks went in to this looking for a fight and some of these "auditors" are hoping for a payday on your tax dollar. Sometime the cops in these videos are over the top wrong, this Glen Beck cosplayer is definitely not totally innocent, but, to act like sidewalks didn't do everything he could think of to goad a response is also wrong.
That security supervisor had ex-cop written all over him, and I wouldn't be surprised if he has had previous job problems with his temper. He made no attempt to deescalate the situation, but instead behaved in a questionable legal fashion.
Either ex-cop, or ex-military officer. Not used to people that don't immediately just comply with his orders.
It’s worth saying that SideWalks22 was being super annoying
And he is likely to be making wayyy more money than he ever did as an officer.
@@mckernan603 Patrick, do you have bad breath?
I immediately thought he was a cop before
Rent-a-cops are held to a lower standard, sure, but my god, this is unreal.
yeah they aint cops. lol if i was that security guard i woulda beat that mr sidewalks ass in/
Not in th4e republic of CA. They are held one step above cops there.
the guard ASSAULTED guy with bad breath, and battered the guy with shoves
Oh nooooooooopoooooo! Oh this is awful! Terrible. Oh the humanity! Oh nooooooooo!
@@smilebehappy6102 wow. How the fuck would you know.
So they have permission to close off the entire sidewalk to the corner. Why isn't the sidewalk closed sign at the corner? Wouldn't that make more sense?
This is america you know,..
they are afraid their signs will get stolen :)
Most likely they had a permit for the entire sidewalk, but someone later deemed that was a better place to let pedestrians pass. However, they didn't want someone standing there to film. The legality of that is questionable, but anyone but an auditor would have left upon request.
I don't know how this guy kept his cool. I would have caught an assault charge.
would have been self defense
personally i wouldnt let it slide
A good pepper spraying should have been used. Give him something to cry about
He had every right to push and shove the arrogant SOB. These frauditors say they're "Press" and "journalists" but real journalists from recognized news outlets, those I like and even those I can't stand, don't dick with security and cops just to try and make a moot point. On his WORSE day, Fox's Peter Ducey doesn't conduct himself like this cornhole.
I'm from Charleston, SC and EVERY WEEKEND there's likely a special event we have to work around in terms of parking, detours, traffic cops and event staff. We have the Citadel and two other major colleges with events downtown, games, concerts "from Rock to Bach", graduations, alumni reunions, weddings and receptions of every religion...this dude needs to accept life in the big city or move to the farm...and I don't see him on a farm.
What's under my skin more than ever these days is how The Young Turks/Rebel HQ has fallen tits-over-teakettle in love with "auditors" over a few videos that shows the cops going hands-on. TYT/RHQ never seems to notice when the public employees on the receiving end of their arrogant conduct are social workers, librarians and postal officials.
I lean left and I hate seeing left-leaning media fawn over a more right-leaning idea that one person's rights as a mere technicality outweigh whether the exercise of those rights is or isn't in keeping with getting along with others. One "auditor" David Schuster of RHQ fell for was a Jan6 MAGA rioter.
Because you are a child. You haven't absorbed the "No hitting" rule yet 🙄
I would be interested to see if they did have the proper paperwork to close the sidewalk. Probably not. They just probably put signs up and did not file paperwork.
I agree sue the security guard. They can’t enforce laws in the first place. If they had a problem they should have called police. That’s the other thing that tells me they didn’t file paperwork.
exactly, they're supposed to observe and report. They're not trained peace officers and have no more right to arrest someone than any citizen.
Even security guards have to follow the law themselves. 👁️👮♂️📛💯%facts.
Facts
@@apriljk6557 That is actually not really true. Security can use physical force to remove a trespasser from a property. This physical force is usually something like escorting the trespasser from the property and not actual violence unless the trespasser uses violence himself. It is common practice in clubs or casinos.
Citizens can arrest criminals if a crime had occured in their direct presence.
@@bomber9912 anybody can physically remove anybody from their private property and or higher somebody else to do it for them.
Guards have no special privileges.
"you have bad breath man"
"that's...mildly interesting"
the only W response by this security guard
Guy was a complete ass but that line got me giggling.
For me the assault means an automatic F.
The security was well in his authority to give this annoying guy a little push. You should see what bouncers do on the daily😂. Mr side walk deserves a D+ in my book
@@steventcheouafei174 lots of things used to happen. Bouncers operate in clearly, unmistakable private domain. I’ll give the flag the old turned back with arms crossed if this turns out to be a persistent attitude of Trumpers and commies.
@@larryjeffryes6168 😂
@@steventcheouafei174 "A little push" is battery.
This channel always gives good grades to the ones who deserve an F.
“You have bad breath”
“Oh Well That’s mildly interesting”
😭😭🤣
This is what happens when you give people who love the sound of their own voices and imagine they have actual power any authority.
This is also what happens when you give any douche with little understanding of law and rights a video camera and tell them they can't be wrong when harassing people.
Securitxy guards have 0 authority and 0 rights reserved for them.
Everything a security guard can do a normal citizen can do as well.
The uniform is for identification and professional image of the company and not because they actually have these rights lol
Are we talking about the security guard or the auditor?
@@FiveeastmansThe security guard
Based on the permiting law you read, it seems pretty clear that Mr. Sidewalks was not trespassing and the unnamed guard committed battery.
Love how the police officer just let's the security guy push him around. Stay classy PD.
those were uniformed security guards, I think. Just like the fella he walked up to at the beginning of the video who was giving him directions on how to enter. Same uniform and you can see it says security on the shoulder patch.
Sunglasses was a supervisor - so he was in a suit.
You think that the security supervisor doesn't know the police? I bet you he's a moonlighting cop.
the police was afraid for their lives
true. The police guy and security guard both need to be tazed !!
@Ryan Trott “they was, was they?” Jesus bro take a 3rd grade English class. I can smell the Busch heavy and Copenhagen through UA-cam
"you are under arrest" - So, mall cops just can arrest you. I'm a certified security guard, and I can tell you, that a security guard has no more rights than Average Joe. :)
If mall cops could arrest actual criminals then I can bet you that a places like Wal-Mart would grab them by the dozens.
idk about the US, but here in brazil a normal citizen can technically make an arrest. you can arrest someone as long as you catch them red-handed and there's no cop in sight. then you can restrict them until authorities arrive.
@@GraveUypo Holding back is ok, that's a thing in the US too. Probably not in the UK though, but I'm not sure about their laws. :)
@@thatmaninblack But in some countries you can actually make a citizens arrest.
We also have a law for that, here in Denmark - although i've never heard about anyone having done it.
However, i've seen security guards putting handcuffs on thieves and then call the police to handle it from there.
”Average Joes” DO have the ability to arrest you. You can arrest people…I can arrest people. However, the caveat is that you open yourself up to false arrest, kidnapping and other charges because you don’t have qualified immunity like the police.
Shouldn’t the permit have to be displayed? Particularly because it’s on public property
I was hoping the legal code AtA went through would have stipulated the permit would have to be on display or made available on request but I'm sure that was expecting too much from a Los Angeles municipal code.
IMHO because that part of the sidewalk was still open to the public as a thoroughfare he is allowed to be there even if they have that section permitted. I’m willing to bet the security supervisor used to be a cop . He is over aggressive. Check his wife for bruises. He obviously has anger issues.
Probably still a cop.
Check his wife for bruises? Go get right fucked.
Completely agree! She probably wont press charges because she knows he will get away with it!
Probably jumping the gun a bit there.
Need to check his blood for Coke or Amphetamine too. Definitely a wife beater though.
What was unnecessarily antagonistic? "You have bad breath" is an effective way to tell someone they're standing far to close to you
Honestly...just knock him out. The idea that you can talk to someone like that and walk away from it repulses me. Add on the pushing and chasing and that's a free beating, tee up.
Yes just knock this auditor out. They are parasites !
Exactly !! Not a tough guy here BUT i def. would've put that ego freak DOWN ......just saying
I miss the old days, when you could handle shit like this.
@@tbecker403 Same here BUT i wouldn't mind any jail time for putting that freak down with minimal injury. No one ever put that guy down before or he wouldn't be acting like that. Can always tell the disrespectful people in life that never had their bell rang. Best wishes T
@@shanghunter7697 we've git a tough guy over here.
theres no doubt there was no permit extended to the end of the sidewalk.
And even if it was, this could be seen as unnecessary harassment, because every pedestrian would plan to use it and then have their intentions foiled. That is one reason why signs exist.
Holy shit, this security guard was out of control. What a joke. What a bruised ego.
Assault and battery. I hope the guy brings criminal and civil suits against him
You're seeing the security supervisor peaking in life. He gets to play Secret Service and fancies himself protecting VIPs. He's a good boy. So it made him feel insecure when Mr. Sidewalks came along questioning his authority. He thought, "Don't you see the suit and my cool shades? Did you miss the earpiece I'm using? I always thought these items were cool and implied absolute authority. Why don't you? How can I get you to immediately grovel to me? I'M WEARING A SUIT!"
That earpiece with the squiggly wire says it all.
Perfect analysis, he's definitely a big shot
@@valentinius62 Haha yes the squiggly wire is the bee's knees!
@@TurdFurgeson571 dat name lm fao
The venue isn’t giving up on their stance. Said Mr. Sidewalk “harasses” people for viral content. The only harassment I see is a man vilifying another man’s protected right to free press. Despicable venue
I mean, he probably does. Just because you're right doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
You clearly don’t have any knowledge of paparazzi and their disgusting, morally and ethically void practices. They’re parasites.
He walked up to where the first security guard told him he could and the barricade was. He had every right to question the 2nd security guard.
@@brittnymturk9338 if you look at 1:50, you can clearly see the square metal sign on street's left. then look at the layout in several places (2:22 for example, after he has backed up a bit) you can see that sign is well past the street closed signs. he was past those signs for an indeterminate amount of time between edits before the security head came to deal with him.
Not saying the head was justified in all his actions, but this guy absolutely was past the closed sidewalk signs.
I'm so glad I found this channel, I've learned so much of what I should and shouldn't do if I ever interact with law enforcement. Thanks for the great content and analysis of these interactions.
A bunch of other pedestrians used the sidewalk without incident so the fact they had an issue with this guy was definitely a filming issue
After seeing the interaction with the second officer who apologized. The first officer/supervisor definitely seemed unreasonable
The fact that the other guard apologized supports the claim that Mr. Sidewalk was unnecessarily and illegally assaulted.
Good cop/bad cop......its damage control after the fact.
“If you touch me again I will defend myself”. One warning. Then he woulda ate some spray or his teeth. His choice
He was told by the first guard not to go beyond the barrier and he didn’t. That’s it. The fault is on the security team for not having a clear understanding of where the sidewalks are closed. Mr Sidewalks should have pointed this out.
The sidewalk was never closed.
As a little kid I would get autographs in front of hotels on the sidewalk. Security would do the same thing where they would yell, intimidate, and push people. They certainly didn't have permits to shut down the public sidewalk but they acted like it. This guy should be in jail.
If you wanted to sneak in there, just get someone to distract all the security guards like this guy did. Pretty big gap in security when all of them will pursue one guy.
Exactly, this guy proves how easy it is be sneak in.
Dang. I wanted to react just watching the video. Mr. Security guard would have understood stand your ground and what the ground feels like after the second assault. This man has serious issues. What about the ruckus he raised for his employer? Holy cow! He successfully freaked out all the guests within earshot as well doing exactly the opposite of what he was hired for! Sorry for stating in the obvious but man it’s hard not to comment on these foolish grown men.
Sure thing. Everybody believes you.
This took place in California, even if he were to hit your nuts with a hammer and you beat him to a pulp. YOU would be found guilty and they would say you caused the issue in the first place
Is the man seriously deranged to act like this? Is he a harm to society?
He was not trespassing as they did not maintain a sign, fence, or indication that the area in question was being used per the standard. The signage actually says cross here so it is open to the public per their signs. They got it wrong again. It is an F and a A- because of lack of follow thru.
Agreed, even if they did get a permit, due to where they placed the signage, they in essence gave up the sidewalk from the signage outward.
You can't have signage for the public to rely on, then act as if your signage was incorrect.
Devil's advocate - It's a moot point once he verbally trespassed him from the part of the sidewalk he claimed he had authority over. The crux of the argument is whether or not the event was permitted as he stated or if the closure was only lawful up to where they put barriers up.
Not devil's advocate - I'm dubious as to the accuracy of security's claim. Why post the barriers where they did and not where his permit allowed? Unless they were providing access to a crosswalk or something through their space...
@@madmardagan2059 you can’t ban someone from a public side walk esp if you aren’t a police officer
@@myallucky3569 According to the video you can be trespassed from a sidewalk under that code.
@@madmardagan2059 not without some sort of signage or barrier. Allowing some through and some not violates that.
That guy deserves an F. He pushed Mr Sidewalks into traffic!!!
I'm sorry, if I had been in that position the moment dude put hands on me he would have caught hands. He isn't a cop, he has no authority past where the barricade is. He's a glorified rent-a-guard. I definitely think that the filmer should sue the venue and whoever rented it out for the event.
Did you watch the video? Audit the Audit clearly explained exactly why, and pointed out exactly which laws make it a bad idea to attempt a lawsuit, not only would be a waste of money, it would be a huge waste of time.
@@theendofthestart8179 Not really, he failed to notice/point out the the senior supervisor apologized for the outdoor supervisors behavior and said the sidewalk on the face side of the barriers was open to the public. This means that the Outdoor supervisor had no authority to act as he did and was in the wrong for getting violent both verbally and physically. His Authority ended when he crossed the barrier.
@@robertfergusson5367 Whether or not stupid security guard was in the right or wrong is somewhat irrelevant in this scenario, of course if you must know, he is obviously in the wrong, and while I believe that any reasonable jury could see that, it would be very hard for sidewalks to convince said jury that he is owed anything for the injustices he face. often, in fact more often than not, auditors such as sidewalks have to spend months and months of time to see a court hearing anyway.
@@theendofthestart8179 file battery charges first. After hes convicted then file suit. Easier to get settlement from rent a sh*t or the venue that hired him. Or the company that hired him. Like spaghetti. Throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. Plenty of blood thirsty lawyers out there someone would take case with payment pending the win/settlement
Wow you are so tough. I wish I was as cool as the keyboard warriors.
As an In-Service Security Supervisor, I do NOT condone this Supervisor’s actions, plus if the whole sidewalk is close(with the right permits ofc) the sign should be at the start of the sidewalk
Exactly. They closed it off at the appropriate points for entry into the building. I do love how there were other people walking and crossing the street while all this was going on.
Wow, mall security is getting rather uppity these days.
only a C- ??? that's clearly an F-
“You have bad breath” 😂😂
"That is mildly interesting."
Yeah, clearly this security fool needs to be fired, sued, and the company that neglected to train him regarding the law also needs to be sued. They only learn lessons through pain.
This frauditor needs to be fired, sued and thrown into prison. The judicial system needs to train him to follow laws and not harass people. They only learn lessons through pain.
@@rsap80 finally, someone with some sense.
@@the_last_ninja9592 I wish I had even more sense, maybe I could figure out why all these kids are brainwashed to think it's okay to fuck around but refuse to find out.
@@rsap80 boot licker
I have a security license I've been security for around 4 years giving this guy a C- is way too generous every security company I've worked for if you is much as Touch Somebody then you're instantly terminated most of the time with your license being revoked at the same time if you start yelling at somebody most companies will send you home for the day at least although that one does depend on the company every company I've worked for and most of the security guards I've worked with hate it when I say this but as a security guard you are literally a glorified camera that's all you are you see a crime being committed in front of you you can tell them to stop but you can't touch them you call the police and stay away from them this guy deserves a z -
Good comment, but man, you need to learn how to use a period. 😆
What's the point of being a security guard if you can't touch people? In Sweden it's very different, we are allowed to use force to detain people and frisk in search of dangerous objects, weapons and stolen goods.
@@timmagnusson7017 i suspect he means on public property a security guard should never touch someone
@@timmagnusson7017 It very much depends on the state you’re operating in. Generally security guards are only authorized to use force when force has been used by the offending party first. Ultimately, it must be done only on the private property that you are charged with protecting. No exceptions on this rule. In this case, the security guard was in no way allowed to touch the man in this video as he was on public property.
If security can't use force or even touch anybody without the risk of termination then the question must be asked, wtf is security there for? I can not imagine large scale events being held under control simply by words or suggestion, that is ridiculous!
As security, you're job is to observe and report. Once the person is breaking the law by trespassing (misdemeanor in California), you need to call "law enforcement" because that's what they're paid to do and they get to have the fun of telling the event coordinator whether they're right or wrong regarding the permit. I'm a security supervisor for a huge shopping plaza in Los Angeles. Typically, when I start calling police, the person leaves because surprise, they also don't know the law and are just there to instigate like that guy was clearly doing.
Security took an L on this one by verbally assaulting the guy and committing battery.
It's interesting how American security guards are allowed to wear uniforms that are very similar to police. This is a big no no in the UK, use of fluorescent paint, paisley checker, or any other police uniform feature is highly illegal.
private owners own the United States. generally, a privately owned business has more rights than a person, and the state. and when a security personnel is privately employed, they basically are like robocop meets the wolf of Wall Street. it's really sad
I take it you've never seen Jeremy Dewitt before
@@DurpenHeimer same in the US. Security Guard doesn't look like a police officer
I would beg to differ. Thousands of vids from the UK, showing security, dressing similar to the police. Its only when you get closer can one tell the difference. Same as PCSOs and the so called Enforcement people operating in town centres.
@@NathanHedglin It varies from state to state, some laws only explicitly prohibit reproduction of specific badge designs as that is, legally speaking, the proof of office/power.
Honestly this guy was very patient with the security guard, I would have punched him full force in the face after the second push when he started yelling.
That's what I've been saying. That area of the sidewalk was clearly not closed and after the first battery by Mr security guy he needed to be knocked out cold.
yeah? and get jumped by his goons? tough guy syndrome is real…
@@1337_bean
They wouldn't have done shit, maybe just break them apart.
Then you’d go to jail 😂
I actually just got a job as a security officer at a hotel. There's a lot of people who keep telling me to be a hardass with people, but I believe if I maintain a friendly conversation with people while also stopping them from doing what they're not supposed to do, that it'll be much better than just constantly yelling and pushing people around like this this security guard did.
A diplomatic solution can be far more effective.
Lol! Stopping people? You can’t stop anything on public property.
@@MrJackal43 I was more referring to my job, and not this guy. This security guard was just abusing his "authority" because he has nothing else in his life.
@@MrJackal43 Hotels are private property, buddy.
@@Tinkuwu “nothing else in his life” yup totally! I could def see this security guard as one of those type guys who just goes walking around on sidewalks and creepily filming people and barking shit like “it’s my rights! It’s my rights!”
lol it’s like, get a life, you weirdo security guard guy! haha lol
In Mr sidewalks defence he did not actually cross that barrier and at the time of the assault by the supervisor he was still stood on public land to which he was lawfully allowed to stand upon.
What are you even talking about.
The guy was on a public sidewalk, standing IN FRONT of the sign.
Behind the sign is the private sidewalk. He could do whatever he was doing.
What is “complicated”? He had a camera. The only reason he was asked to leave. Kid on scooter was not told to leave.
The true measure of a man is to give him authority & see what he does with it
There are much simpler methods.. no cliches involved.
@@morbidmanmusic or how others judge someone who has given authority.
I always say that I say this and watch how a person reacts in hard times it shows you who they are.
It's just like no matter what you do....if you are a cop or cop adjacent, you can do whatever you want and there is always a law to get you out of a charge.
That security guard literally has NO authority whatsoever to order anyone to do anything. A lawsuit is needed in this situation.
On any property a designated agent may enforce the owner / renter's rights. IF they had a permit, then the security guard may enforce that closure. The problems are in the way the sidewalk was closed and their failure to call police to enforce it.
He did, if the area was closed he was 100% within his authority to ask the guy to leave, he was NOT within his authority to push the guy towards the street.
@@yeetosis9097 yeah idk why the cop didn’t tell him to stop pushing him. That shit gave me mad fascist vibes
If he is an agent of the party in lawful possession of the sidewalk, he can order anyone to leave it. The question is whether there really was a permit and if it granted possession of that area.
If they had a permit to closed the sidewalk, it was clearly marked in the wrong spot. The signs should have been placed where the security said it was closed.
Is that security boss your brother? How do you justify not giving an “F” due to three counts of assault and even racial assault?
It's not the first time his scores are ridiculous. Then again, it doesn't matter, it's personal opinions that have no real-world impact.
@@zendakk What about opinions that do have a real-world impact like those of the supreme court? Do you cry about them like a little wuss?
@@SS-pq9ci it’s a youtube video.
Racial assault? Lmao stfu
because the sidewalk actually was closed. he was just harassing those guards
There's a few lads who need a hard lesson in respect. The photographer would have been justified, imo, in defending himself after the clown with the sunglasses shoved him. The first guard told him he could walk up to the barricades. That was clearly public sidewalk and was not closed. Mr. sidewalks should have called the police at least.
“You have bad breath man!”
“That’s…mildly interesting.” 😂😂
I work in film where we close down entire streets, sidewalks, and alleyways all the time. I'm often one of the people manning those barricades to direct people and ask them not to take photographs. One of the important differences is that we're well aware that we have no real power, but if we fail in our duties then there's a chance of not being hired on the next show. Because of this I just straight up tell people that. Being polite and honest does a hell of a lot better job than screaming in each other's faces
holywood shuts down sidewalks because theyre too lazy to build sets.
@@jimmyjupiter8887 Could you imagine the unbelievable amount of waste that it would create to build a set for every single scene of every single movie/show/commercial? Why build an entire cafe for 1 scene when you can just rent a local one out for the day? Plus this way, WAY more people get free money. Immensely better for the economy
@@jimmyjupiter8887 I think it's simply economics. If permit costs are lower than building a set then go with the permit. I would agree it's less ethical because of public nuisance but then again movie ticket prices are already insane.
@ There's Nothing Like a Game
> if we fail in our duties then there's a chance of not being hired on the next show.
My heart bleeds for you.
Amen man. Just say "I'm gonna get my ass chewed out if you go this way do you mind going around?"... Works a lot better as we all deal with asshole bosses.
Time mark 2:14 shows the important information here. The barricade was never crossed. If the whole side walk was closed from the fire hydrant then the signs should have been at the fire hydrant. No trespass was committed.
Allowing access to a closed area for the explicit purpose of enabling access to a street crossing. No "right of passage" established, trespassing confirmed when ordered to leave.
Too bad the fuckboi started petty insult throwing because he wasn't being allowed to film random people on the street for the crime of "attending an event on his turf".
@@Reinforce_Zwei while I agree his behavior wasn't the best you can clearly see on the video that he never crossed into the closed area. He only stood at the edge.
Imagine how the security supervisor treats his fellow officers when they don't agree with him on job related issues.
*No Remorse if those dumbasses stayed employed with him being the supervisor*
That Security Supervisor has the stink of ex cop wafting off of him in waves. It's a stench like rotten pork.
Kudos to Audit the Audit for finding all these laws and regulations. Must take serious lengths
That security gaurd is crazy. He’s probably a LEO reject. He couldn’t make the cut or pass the requirements.
I mean to be fair cops aren’t much different from this behavior as well haha
@@Anton-tu8gi Imagine if he was permitted to be a cop? The trainees probably saw something dangerous in him and sent him home. He would be a huge liability to fellow LEO’s. He’d get a lot of people killed and or murder a lot of innocent civilians. He probably was ab used as a child. Get him out of the protection business all together. I’m an army veteran, I’ve been on protection mode all my life since I was 14yrs old. I know a problem and a threat when I see one.
@@Anton-tu8gi it’s one thing to have aggression and no fear of criminals and problem situations but you have to have the basics down and know how to problem solve and know rights. Every situation does not require 0 to 100 every time. Imagine going down a street at 120mph on a 35mph street with cars on both sites. What do you think is going to happen? That’s this guy. Somebody is going to put him down or he is going to do it to himself.
Most likely wouldn't pass the mental eval
He might actually get drafted by the police now that they see he can act like they do
The "security supervisor" 🤣 in shades is a perfect example of, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. If the entire sidewalk was blocked, signs should have been placed as such. They weren't. The brown shirt security cretin couldn't take that Mr Sidewalk "didn't respect my authoritah" From me he gets an, F U.
Talk about triggered! The security guy needs major anger management help