Man, I love how cool your paint jobs look while being very achievable. Following your advice, some other peoples tips on UA-cam, but mostly this thinking of "It looks good in a unit on a table, use techniques that are quick and effective" I have actually painted minis, start to finish, for a game. For the first time. After 20+ years in the hobby. It's a super nice feeling, and your vids are such a huge help in getting there.
Really glad to hear it, Tim! I think we can easily get caught up in wanting to do the best possible job on every miniature when, really, once it's on the table it's really just there to help set the scene. I've heard it referred to as 'props for the theater of the mind,' which might be overselling it a little, but does sound about right to me. This is all set dressing for the explosions and chainsaw noises in our imagination, it doesn't have to be fine art! :D
That is a very cool effect! Makes the armour look worn and used, and for a bunch of dudes that literally spent ther entire existence fighting, that's...kind of appropriate. Such a brilliant look!
He did every aspect of the model I prioritize (gun, leather, accents) as a secondary when I do them first. the White Armor I stuggle with was so easy and holy heck am I going to try this to hasten my miniatures
Oh my god I'm glad I clicked this video. All my fears of painting white armor were dashed by how easy you made that look. And honestly, it turned out amazing!
Yeah, I have been running around trying to find the right 'White Speed Paint / White Contrast / Nuln Oil' to work with, but just thinning it down with a Medium never crossed my mind... looks so much better than the 'almost grey' effect I get otherwise... I am definitely gonna try a few testers out with this!
I've painted quite a few Praetorians thanks to your videos. I absolutely adore the dirty/grungy look when it comes to models; my Praetorians' boots are caked in Stirland Mud to give them the appearance of fighting in adverse conditions. Once I get a halfway-warm day, I've got a Leman Russ I'll be painting up in quasi-British Matilda camouflage colors to go with them.
Really great tutorial, as many have said the white armour would never stay white for long! I think you could do a couple of things with the wash for a slightly different effect. If you wanted a clean crisp look you could simply target the wash into the recesses rather than cover the whole model. This still works great with the gloss varnish and doesn't take that much longer on a marine. However my favoured approach would probably be to intentionally move the wash in a single direction heading down the model when applying it so that it looks like rain streaking. From there I'd add some simply weathering effects for dust/mud to the boots and after that you could think about some some bloodsplatter too which is super effective on white armour. If you wanted to add battle damage effects to the armour (simple patching with sponging on small amounts of dark grey followed by smaller amounts of leadblecher) I would do that BEFORE doing the gloss & wash stage.
This video was really helpful... currently helping my son paint his first batch of minis and I know for a young 'un, it helps to have an example tutorial like this. Thanks!
I like the Marine Juice wash vs. Apothecary White for this purpose. Makes the armor look a bit more Grim Dark. I'll be using this technique for a White Scars patrol that I have in my queue.
Your guides are amazing. As a begnining painter its really nice to learn some techniques to make building an army less stressful. Hopefully can apply some of these once i get the color for my soul drinkers right.
Very interesting and inspirational - as always. I used a similar method for some SWL storm troopers recently, and when I mixed my wash, I used Contrast Medium rather than Lahman Medium to improve the flow of the mix. Works well.
Now that's an idea! I'll have to give that a shot next time. I hadn't thought of using the Contrast Medium with a shade, but I can imagine how that might make things behave. Very cool.
You could try using Agrax Earthshade Gloss instead of the varnish+wash step. Specifically the Gloss version, because it pools into recesses a lot more than the regular. You could also try just using a white Contrast paint, but that might not give quite the color you want.
I've used Apothecary White to get a (very!) different result on some Stormtroopers for the channel a while back. It works pretty well, but it's a wildly different finish. Looks good, though!
Plz do a Deathwatch painting tutorial with your fantastic style fella, Your channel is a treasure, specially for lazy and dire painters like me Keep Up the Good Work :)
Oh no! And I pulled the trigger on some apothecary white for some white scars I wanted to paint! Great tutorial though, but I'm going to stick to the older techniques you showcased!
I'm not one for huge amounts of battle damage and grime, but I think Marines do benefit from looking a little 'lived in' as though they've hit the ground to fight!
Literally just bought the DOOM boardgame and there are 4 marines with white armour and different colored accents and 8 possessed soldiers with white armour that I need to paint. Will definitely be trying this technique I think ! Think I can get away with a thinned nuln oil instead of the marine juice?
If you use Nuln Oil you'll get a slightly darker finish, but that might not be a bad thing. For DOOM figures, though, I'd switch out for Agrax Earthshade and go properly grimy! :D
@@SonicSledgehammerStudio With the White armour marines I’ve been doing, I’ve been hand painting the brightest, cleanest white I’ve got onto the tops of the raised bits...the gorget, the shoulder trim, the top of the backpack etc. So when on the table the lights from above catch that crisp white and make the model appear whiter than it really is. Nuts to highlighting white.
I like both versions and this is just a great tutorial. The finish would make the figure look good on a table or simply a diorama with other figures or a vehicle. I do have a question, do you think the Marine Juice would work on the Imperial Guard as well? Thanks for sharing this very helpful tutorial.
Cheers, John! Marine juice is a tiny bit warmer and more red when compared to something like Agrax Earthshade, so depending on what colours you were planning to use, it might actually work really well on Guardsmen. Certainly it'd make for a softer shade on skin tones!
I am about to paint some Howling Banshees, if I switch the Vallejo white with Wraithbone I should get the slightly bone coloured white the banshee armour has no problem with this. Thanks for the advice!
That should actually work quite well! I might switch to Seraphim Sepia instead of the Marine juice in that case, but the basic technique will do the same job.
@@SonicSledgehammerStudio Some thinned down Seraphim Sepia or Skelton Horde was actually the original plan before I spotted the video, so will keep that in mind as well, thanks!
Have you had a go with Contrast Apothecary White? Personally haven't but it looks the goods for white armour. Pretty effective scheme here though I've got to say!
Yeah, I've done a Stormtrooper here on the channel using Apothecary White. It needs a little bit of attention to bring it up to 'white' but as a base/shade in one it works super well.
I've used this method and works perfect until the shading. I'm new to painting and trying to get a cleaner white look on my army while still highlighting the shaded areas. Would it be better then to only try and shade the areas I want specifically instead of going over the entire thing?
I only bother with the rattle cans for the most part. I figure they're a bit more accessible to most! I've got an airbrush but the compressor's a load of nonsense, so I stick with sprays instead.
@@SonicSledgehammerStudio Thank you! I don’t have an air brush yet, but started using using spray cans. White and Black for primers. Might expand my range. Just wasn’t sure if i should move to an air brush yet....(thinking about all the extras that come with it, booth, venting, on my!). Not sure I am there yet. Thanks again! 🙏😁
I am following the "speed painting stormcast" tutorial and I really like the final result but here you applied a couple of interesting techniques. You think the gloss spray and/or the new brown wash would help to get a cleaner finish on that one? They don't seem to be that time consuming if done in a batch
With the gold Stormcast armour, I think it looks a little better if there is some slight staining on the surfaces rather than going for as crisp and smooth as possible with the gloss varnish as in this case. It's a matter of personal preference, mostly; you might try it and find you like it the other way!
Gloss varnish doesn't frost, as far as I'm aware. You can spray it directly on the miniature without being worried about that. When it comes to the final matt varnish, you can either use a brush-on matt or use a spray as long as you don't live in a humid area. I just use Vallejo's matt spray or brush-on, either way.
*shows the based model* me: "That looks amazing!" video: "...and that's going to look just fine." me: "...and that's going to look just fine." tbh I like the grimy look the shade leaves in the white armor, I always thought that armor is never going to look clean on the battlefield.
There's a case to be made that Space Marines drop into battle pristine and aren't really there for very long except to smash their way to victory in a lightning assault, so they ought not to be dinged and battered. Personally, I prefer the slightly grimier, more 'lived in' appearance for them!
Not personally, though I'd not be sure about using them for anything other than display purposes, I guess. I don't tend to play games in the dark! I don't know how much they'd actually be seen to glow under usual circumstances.
You could, but painting the other colours over a gloss surface is likely to be more difficult. You aren't going to save much time by starting from gloss.
I've come close, but there's almost always something worth using a regular paint for. Metallics in particular are where I'll almost always dip back to an 'ordinary' pot!
One does not "speed painting" a white scars model unless they've done it in 10 seconds while riding a bike that was going 300km/h on the route 66 highway of America.
After seeing this "marine juice" it makes me want to repaint my whole Sons of the Pheonix army with it rather than apothecary white. Curse you Sonic haha.
you were on such a good track until you slathered that wash all over it. white armor can NOT have a wash just tossed on it like that, you gotta go in and shade the recesses and build up those shadows by hand if you want it looking good. the end product here is so strange because about half way through it looked great, then you washed it and basically ruined it. its the sign of an inexperienced painter when you see them just slather a wash over an entire model like that, it shows that you are either lacking the skill and knowledge or laziness. if you dig it thats fine but you really should fine tune how you paint these, that wash is what really kills it
You might want to take another look at the title - there's a clue there why I might use this method over the layering and highlighting you've described. As for inexperienced, this is literally how the Forge World army painting team does their bulk troops for published photos of armies, but go off.
Looks excellent to me and is a solid starting point for learning White. I'd wager the 47000 Sledge subs would agree, but you batter in, I'm sure your lone subscriber is keen to follow what you think is "lacking in skill, knowledge or laziness." Perhaps it was your people skills that were a little lacking today buddy. Looking forward to seeing what you put out into the world.
Can't go wrong with a cheeky drybrush! If you really want to finish off the armour, though, I'd even suggest that a few quick pure white panel lines wouldn't hurt - not many, just around the top of shoulder pads, helmet and pack, for example - but a drybrush would do just as much.
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"Once they've been gloss varnished, they'll survive orbital re-entry!" cracked me up that comment :)
I’ve gotta admit, I think this will be potentially even better for painting Clone Troopers than your other Star Wars “how I paint things”
Man, I love how cool your paint jobs look while being very achievable. Following your advice, some other peoples tips on UA-cam, but mostly this thinking of "It looks good in a unit on a table, use techniques that are quick and effective" I have actually painted minis, start to finish, for a game. For the first time. After 20+ years in the hobby. It's a super nice feeling, and your vids are such a huge help in getting there.
Really glad to hear it, Tim! I think we can easily get caught up in wanting to do the best possible job on every miniature when, really, once it's on the table it's really just there to help set the scene. I've heard it referred to as 'props for the theater of the mind,' which might be overselling it a little, but does sound about right to me. This is all set dressing for the explosions and chainsaw noises in our imagination, it doesn't have to be fine art! :D
That is a very cool effect! Makes the armour look worn and used, and for a bunch of dudes that literally spent ther entire existence fighting, that's...kind of appropriate. Such a brilliant look!
As someone who has been looking for a quick and easy way to paint a bunch of 30k World Eaters, let me just thank you so much for this vid!
Glad I could help! This ought to work even better on the old Mk III style armour, for sure!
He did every aspect of the model I prioritize (gun, leather, accents) as a secondary when I do them first. the White Armor I stuggle with was so easy and holy heck am I going to try this to hasten my miniatures
Oh my god I'm glad I clicked this video. All my fears of painting white armor were dashed by how easy you made that look. And honestly, it turned out amazing!
Yeah, I have been running around trying to find the right 'White Speed Paint / White Contrast / Nuln Oil' to work with, but just thinning it down with a Medium never crossed my mind... looks so much better than the 'almost grey' effect I get otherwise... I am definitely gonna try a few testers out with this!
This video was exactly what i was looking for painting white armour, the wash has come out better than i hoped thanks to this video.
Great to hear!
I've painted quite a few Praetorians thanks to your videos. I absolutely adore the dirty/grungy look when it comes to models; my Praetorians' boots are caked in Stirland Mud to give them the appearance of fighting in adverse conditions. Once I get a halfway-warm day, I've got a Leman Russ I'll be painting up in quasi-British Matilda camouflage colors to go with them.
Yes thank you, i been trying too paint white for weeks for my Legion Clones, you came at a good time.
Man im gonna do this but for my Star Wars Legion Stormtroopers and their glossy plastic white iconic armor.
I've actually done a video on painting Stormtroopers specifically, I think they might come out a little more clean than this.
Just started my white scars and I am going for this paint scheme. Looks really good and achievable!
I really like these extra simple videos
Really great tutorial, as many have said the white armour would never stay white for long!
I think you could do a couple of things with the wash for a slightly different effect.
If you wanted a clean crisp look you could simply target the wash into the recesses rather than cover the whole model. This still works great with the gloss varnish and doesn't take that much longer on a marine.
However my favoured approach would probably be to intentionally move the wash in a single direction heading down the model when applying it so that it looks like rain streaking.
From there I'd add some simply weathering effects for dust/mud to the boots and after that you could think about some some bloodsplatter too which is super effective on white armour.
If you wanted to add battle damage effects to the armour (simple patching with sponging on small amounts of dark grey followed by smaller amounts of leadblecher) I would do that BEFORE doing the gloss & wash stage.
When painting white the shade is what always gets me. Awesome video!😁👌
This video was really helpful... currently helping my son paint his first batch of minis and I know for a young 'un, it helps to have an example tutorial like this. Thanks!
Thank u so much. Truly.you are like one of the best painters for new people. Thank u
Very nice. White is a color I always have trouble painting. You make it look so easy. 👍
I like the Marine Juice wash vs. Apothecary White for this purpose. Makes the armor look a bit more Grim Dark. I'll be using this technique for a White Scars patrol that I have in my queue.
Yesss. :D Be sure and show off some pictures when you're done!
Using this as a reference for painting my necron a white. Obviously very different but lots of helpful technical tips here. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Great job on this mini. Loved the groove work you pulled off also!
Your guides are amazing. As a begnining painter its really nice to learn some techniques to make building an army less stressful. Hopefully can apply some of these once i get the color for my soul drinkers right.
Soul Drinkers are an excellent choice. :D I haven't read the original books in the longest time, but I remember them being a lot of fun.
I've been waiting a long time for this.
First! Always a treat to get a new video from yourself
Damn this is awesome ! Thank you for this speed painting white scars. I'll just paint the edge of the shoulder pads in red.
Great video. It even makes me want to have a go at white armour now.
Looks good to me. The grimy look is nice. I mean, if you e ever owned a white car you know that driving 10 feet down the road makes it look like that.
White doesn't last long in field conditions!
Very interesting and inspirational - as always. I used a similar method for some SWL storm troopers recently, and when I mixed my wash, I used Contrast Medium rather than Lahman Medium to improve the flow of the mix. Works well.
Now that's an idea! I'll have to give that a shot next time. I hadn't thought of using the Contrast Medium with a shade, but I can imagine how that might make things behave. Very cool.
That looks mint Mr hammer and no dry brushing
You could try using Agrax Earthshade Gloss instead of the varnish+wash step. Specifically the Gloss version, because it pools into recesses a lot more than the regular. You could also try just using a white Contrast paint, but that might not give quite the color you want.
I've used Apothecary White to get a (very!) different result on some Stormtroopers for the channel a while back. It works pretty well, but it's a wildly different finish. Looks good, though!
Finally, i can test to see if i like white scars
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
Plz do a Deathwatch painting tutorial with your fantastic style fella,
Your channel is a treasure, specially for lazy and dire painters like me
Keep Up the Good Work :)
Great tutorial mate 👍🏻
I love it! Thank you.
Oh no! And I pulled the trigger on some apothecary white for some white scars I wanted to paint! Great tutorial though, but I'm going to stick to the older techniques you showcased!
Well, they'll all work! It's just a matter of style and choice past a point. :)
@@SonicSledgehammerStudio Yes indeed, I am thinking of doing some experimenting and I hope I get a decent result. Great work, as always!
Great video mate!!
I've been putting off painting my apothecary because of the white, I get all shaky. Then again that might be the five cups of coffee.
Thank you , Sonic .
Good job!
Nice Looks great
I'm thinking of using the Marine wash you mentioned for some not-Stormtroopers for some of the Stargrave Troopers I have.
It should work fairly well, I'd imagine. Especially with a really high-contrast black and white scheme like that.
Nice paint job the dirty look over white looks really good not a fan of white scars but this looks really cool
Good lord! What sorcery is this!
Why do you add a varnish before adding the wash? Does the varnish allow the wash to flow easier across the surface of the miniature?
I used a product called a clay wash, over a white to do very quick dirty storm trooper.
Yes white can be a bugger to paint but I think you have cracked it.A slight grimy looking figure gives it a hard campaigning look.👍
I'm not one for huge amounts of battle damage and grime, but I think Marines do benefit from looking a little 'lived in' as though they've hit the ground to fight!
Literally just bought the DOOM boardgame and there are 4 marines with white armour and different colored accents and 8 possessed soldiers with white armour that I need to paint. Will definitely be trying this technique I think !
Think I can get away with a thinned nuln oil instead of the marine juice?
If you use Nuln Oil you'll get a slightly darker finish, but that might not be a bad thing. For DOOM figures, though, I'd switch out for Agrax Earthshade and go properly grimy! :D
Cracking tutorial as usual
Nary a drybrush in sight, even! ;D Nuts to highlighting white!
@@SonicSledgehammerStudio With the White armour marines I’ve been doing, I’ve been hand painting the brightest, cleanest white I’ve got onto the tops of the raised bits...the gorget, the shoulder trim, the top of the backpack etc. So when on the table the lights from above catch that crisp white and make the model appear whiter than it really is.
Nuts to highlighting white.
Great video once again and thank you. Any chance of some SW legion Rebel Troopers in the mix?
At some point! It'll be a little while, but I would like to dip into Legion again when I get the chance.
"Stunning"
Would a cheeky dry brush be worth the extra time do you think?
Thanks for a great video
I like both versions and this is just a great tutorial. The finish would make the figure look good on a table or simply a diorama with other figures or a vehicle. I do have a question, do you think the Marine Juice would work on the Imperial Guard as well? Thanks for sharing this very helpful tutorial.
Cheers, John! Marine juice is a tiny bit warmer and more red when compared to something like Agrax Earthshade, so depending on what colours you were planning to use, it might actually work really well on Guardsmen. Certainly it'd make for a softer shade on skin tones!
I am about to paint some Howling Banshees, if I switch the Vallejo white with Wraithbone I should get the slightly bone coloured white the banshee armour has no problem with this. Thanks for the advice!
That should actually work quite well! I might switch to Seraphim Sepia instead of the Marine juice in that case, but the basic technique will do the same job.
@@SonicSledgehammerStudio Some thinned down Seraphim Sepia or Skelton Horde was actually the original plan before I spotted the video, so will keep that in mind as well, thanks!
Have you had a go with Contrast Apothecary White? Personally haven't but it looks the goods for white armour. Pretty effective scheme here though I've got to say!
Yeah, I've done a Stormtrooper here on the channel using Apothecary White. It needs a little bit of attention to bring it up to 'white' but as a base/shade in one it works super well.
@@SonicSledgehammerStudio ah yeah possibly a whiter mini than a Whitescar! Having done both do you prefer this method or horses for courses?
Heh,
„Speed-Painting“ White Scars…
I get it.
I've used this method and works perfect until the shading. I'm new to painting and trying to get a cleaner white look on my army while still highlighting the shaded areas. Would it be better then to only try and shade the areas I want specifically instead of going over the entire thing?
Good for the trophy racks on my chaos marines
Good Morning Sir. Stupid question 🙋♂️: when you say you’re spraying the base coats are you using rattle cans or air brush or both? Thank you! 🙏😀
I only bother with the rattle cans for the most part. I figure they're a bit more accessible to most! I've got an airbrush but the compressor's a load of nonsense, so I stick with sprays instead.
@@SonicSledgehammerStudio Thank you! I don’t have an air brush yet, but started using using spray cans. White and Black for primers. Might expand my range. Just wasn’t sure if i should move to an air brush yet....(thinking about all the extras that come with it, booth, venting, on my!). Not sure I am there yet. Thanks again! 🙏😁
I am following the "speed painting stormcast" tutorial and I really like the final result but here you applied a couple of interesting techniques. You think the gloss spray and/or the new brown wash would help to get a cleaner finish on that one? They don't seem to be that time consuming if done in a batch
With the gold Stormcast armour, I think it looks a little better if there is some slight staining on the surfaces rather than going for as crisp and smooth as possible with the gloss varnish as in this case. It's a matter of personal preference, mostly; you might try it and find you like it the other way!
What is a steps to do varnishing. I want to protect the model but don't want to run the risk of ruining it with varnish
Gloss varnish doesn't frost, as far as I'm aware. You can spray it directly on the miniature without being worried about that. When it comes to the final matt varnish, you can either use a brush-on matt or use a spray as long as you don't live in a humid area. I just use Vallejo's matt spray or brush-on, either way.
*shows the based model*
me: "That looks amazing!"
video: "...and that's going to look just fine."
me: "...and that's going to look just fine."
tbh I like the grimy look the shade leaves in the white armor, I always thought that armor is never going to look clean on the battlefield.
There's a case to be made that Space Marines drop into battle pristine and aren't really there for very long except to smash their way to victory in a lightning assault, so they ought not to be dinged and battered. Personally, I prefer the slightly grimier, more 'lived in' appearance for them!
Hi there! Do you have any experience with glow in the dark paints? Thought it might look cool as a plasma effect.
Not personally, though I'd not be sure about using them for anything other than display purposes, I guess. I don't tend to play games in the dark! I don't know how much they'd actually be seen to glow under usual circumstances.
really cool but what model is that i like the running pose
He's from the Assault Intercessors kit.
Will a satin varnish work? How would it change the way the shade vs using a gloss varnish?
Satin should work fine; anything that isn't a pure matt finish will help the shade settle properly.
If you were going and even simpler route could you not just use a gloss white spray paint?
You could, but painting the other colours over a gloss surface is likely to be more difficult. You aren't going to save much time by starting from gloss.
Have you ever done a complete model just using contrast paints by any chance?
I've come close, but there's almost always something worth using a regular paint for. Metallics in particular are where I'll almost always dip back to an 'ordinary' pot!
One does not "speed painting" a white scars model unless they've done it in 10 seconds while riding a bike that was going 300km/h on the route 66 highway of America.
NO DRY BRUSHING?! LE GASP!
I'M SCARED, TOO
Looks nice no such thing as a clean marine
After seeing this "marine juice" it makes me want to repaint my whole Sons of the Pheonix army with it rather than apothecary white. Curse you Sonic haha.
Hahaha ‘bobbles’
Well, it's either bobbles or deelyboppers, and I thought the former was a bit more dignified. ;D
Citadel shade please
These are Citadel shades. The mix is explained in the video, but you'll also find it written in the description for ease of reference.
Well I tried this and failed miserably :D
you were on such a good track until you slathered that wash all over it. white armor can NOT have a wash just tossed on it like that, you gotta go in and shade the recesses and build up those shadows by hand if you want it looking good. the end product here is so strange because about half way through it looked great, then you washed it and basically ruined it. its the sign of an inexperienced painter when you see them just slather a wash over an entire model like that, it shows that you are either lacking the skill and knowledge or laziness. if you dig it thats fine but you really should fine tune how you paint these, that wash is what really kills it
Why isn’t this video called ‘How Musien87 paints things’
You might want to take another look at the title - there's a clue there why I might use this method over the layering and highlighting you've described. As for inexperienced, this is literally how the Forge World army painting team does their bulk troops for published photos of armies, but go off.
Looks excellent to me and is a solid starting point for learning White. I'd wager the 47000 Sledge subs would agree, but you batter in, I'm sure your lone subscriber is keen to follow what you think is "lacking in skill, knowledge or laziness." Perhaps it was your people skills that were a little lacking today buddy. Looking forward to seeing what you put out into the world.
Would a cheeky dry brush be worth the extra time do you think?
Thanks for a great video
Can't go wrong with a cheeky drybrush! If you really want to finish off the armour, though, I'd even suggest that a few quick pure white panel lines wouldn't hurt - not many, just around the top of shoulder pads, helmet and pack, for example - but a drybrush would do just as much.