Love those re blades. You can tell it's a laser beam just looking at it. It looked like it was just flying through the cardboard. Great results on this one👍
It’s crazy because the standard bugout is pretty thin BTW itself but these reblades have such a great heat treat and a broader blade(not to mention a sweet deployment hole) it gets it even thinner. Cardboard destroyers.
Very impressive! That 65HRC blade is clearly in M4 Territory but stainless! Will be interesting to see what a more typical HT and geometry will do. I'm betting we'll see ~62HRC and .022BTE from Spyderco and probably more in the ballpark of 130/160 FE/WE #'s
I definitely want to do a custom bugout and AD20.5 one day. Now that they have those amazing Titanium GOAT scales and Transparant knives does those sweet Magnacut RE-Blades around 64.5 HRC. They are too amazing.
Geometry of the blade and 64 -65 HRC are the big deal in the cut test. Take a good look at a utility razor blade, super thin behind the edge and low grind angle, crap steel of course, cuts like a razor... I'm looking forward to seeing what the market will do with Magnacut. Thanks for the video! Lots of hard work... Much appreciated. : )
Great video Gerald, I’m thinking they’ll probably stick to the 62-63 range as that’s what the mules are around and BBB has one PM2 at 61.6 so hopefully they up it, but I think they might keep it low to act like a stainless Cruwear in terms on toughness
Appreciate the video as always! About 10 edges into the Magnacut mule and it really is shining finally. Sharpens and deburrs slightly better and the fine edge, stability are where I like. Between it and my M390 para 3 (which seems to be with a nice heat treat) are the only stainless knives I truly enjoy for their edge performance. Still doesn't sharpen as well as cruwear, come up as nice as my K390 Delica or even 10V PM2. That all said I think you really touched on the truth of the matter in this video. This is a great stainless steel but it takes a custom heat treat to compete with its non-stainless competition like 4V. For those looking for high performance in mass produced knives I'm guessing the 4V, M4, 10V, K390V will usually be better options. You're right that we still have to see what comes out of the factories though and wait for them to optimize over time. Finally got some 4V in the St Nick's Para 3 LW. 3rd edge so far and I've been extremely surprised by how fast the steel moves on diamond. Edge breaks down like expected but the front end isn't quite there yet which I'm expecting to really start improving after a few more, less rushed edges.
Thanks for the info. I was debating getting the 4v lightweight but was disappointed in the build quality on the lightweight I had. It was uncomfortable, had sharp spots from the injection molding, and blade rub due to centering issues. How was the fit and finish on yours?
@@BenoJ3000 First para 3 lightweight I've had and am very pleased with the build quality honestly. This is coming from a guy that does like FRN keep in mind. I did have to file/sand the inside edges of the handles but I do that to all FRN so no big deal to me. Centering and action are perfect which was surprising to me
I was really primed to be disappointed with magnacut after all the hype but I have to say…the two mules I have in it are fantastic so far (~62.5). They aren’t as hard as some of the higher end, custom jobs obviously but they’re still impressive for what they are. They come up super sharp and definitely edge out my LC200N blades in edge retention. I know it’s a bit of a departure from the community’s impression of magnacut (everyone wants it to be the next Cruwear for whatever reason) but I see this as being the next hyperstainless a la LC200N (ignoring their vast differences in chemistry). On paper, I’m not really a stainless steel guy. I like M4, Cruwear, K390, 1095 and all things corrosive…magnacut still gives me that vibe despite its reputed stainlessness.
If WE/Bestech/Artisan/KAI/Benchmade/Reate/Etc. Would start getting production M390/20CV up to a minimum of 61-63 HRC it would be so nice. The number you get on Spyderco’s and custom makers that approach 63+ the numbers are staggering and you actually see the benefit of the steel. Magnacut will be similar I think. 63-64 looks like it preforms pretty great.
You mentioned other companies, but none are as surprising as CRK. I emailed them and they said when they run out of s45 they’ll be switching over to Magnacut. A company that is notorious for taking things slow are jumping on this steel fast, that’s one hell of a statement.
@@kyleoleary6082 Yeah, your right on the money. At 65 it's a bit lower. I mean, it's high for stainless at that hardness of coarse. Xhp I wouldn't classify as stainless. S35vn is though.
Thank you. Will you also be able to do some edge strength/stability tests with these (wood, brass, etc.)? I am already looking forward to you getting your hands on the Native 5 (once it is out) :)
@@EAwert42 Plenty of 8cr out there if you're not actually gonna use your knife. I'm all for safe-queens, I totally get it, but getting a 65HRC reblade and then just staring at is really dumb. Besides, thin edges make chips easier to fix!
Hogue advertised the Deka in Magnacut at 63, I've heard Spyderco will be changing the protocol they use for Magnacut as well. Other than those 2 for production knives you would have to look to custom stuff at this point. Brian, Transparent Knives offers reblades for a couple knives in Magnacut at 64 to 65.
I was expecting it to out perform CPM-M4 but it fell short by a good 20%. Not sure what comparisons can be made what with these blades being very thinly ground customs and the M4 being a stock Spyderco manix-2 but i was really expecting them to atleast match the M4. Hmmmm.......guess theres always a twist and turn to the story.
You leave some unbelievably dumb comments. That's not an insult, it's genuinely impressive that you seem to actually believe the things you say. It just shows how easily it is to interpret words totally wrong without the benefit of a bit of reason.
Outpost your still a LEGEND!!!! Thank you for still doing these after years now!!!! We are watching every vid and appreciate the info!
That’s the best looking bug out I’ve seen
Love those re blades. You can tell it's a laser beam just looking at it. It looked like it was just flying through the cardboard. Great results on this one👍
It’s crazy because the standard bugout is pretty thin BTW itself but these reblades have such a great heat treat and a broader blade(not to mention a sweet deployment hole) it gets it even thinner. Cardboard destroyers.
I have one for a bugout from Transparent and they are amazing! Mine is Magnacut and thought that's what he works with most the time.
Brian is awesome and does some killer work. His M390 is incredible.
👏 👏
What would we do without you!
Brian (transparent knives) does great work. I would def. wait a minute as far as production knives go though.
Great example of what a knife should be like. My opinion. Just awesome. 👌, love these tests to. Thank you. 👍
Great! Thanks for this testing. Excellent!
Wow, great numbers! Interesting about the sharpening.. I’m curious to know how it goes w/something a lil thicker BTE.
Very impressive! That 65HRC blade is clearly in M4 Territory but stainless! Will be interesting to see what a more typical HT and geometry will do. I'm betting we'll see ~62HRC and .022BTE from Spyderco and probably more in the ballpark of 130/160 FE/WE #'s
Great results.
Man I want that blade for my bk-4 it looks great
I definitely want to do a custom bugout and AD20.5 one day. Now that they have those amazing Titanium GOAT scales and Transparant knives does those sweet Magnacut RE-Blades around 64.5 HRC. They are too amazing.
Geometry of the blade and 64 -65 HRC are the big deal in the cut test. Take a good look at a utility razor blade, super thin behind the edge and low grind angle, crap steel of course, cuts like a razor... I'm looking forward to seeing what the market will do with Magnacut. Thanks for the video! Lots of hard work... Much appreciated. : )
Man that is pretty cool!
Can't wait to see the production Deka's
I have one to test now.
If you haven't tried the oversized washers for the Bugout they're recommended. Knife Kits has them.
Great video Gerald, I’m thinking they’ll probably stick to the 62-63 range as that’s what the mules are around and BBB has one PM2 at 61.6 so hopefully they up it, but I think they might keep it low to act like a stainless Cruwear in terms on toughness
Appreciate the video as always! About 10 edges into the Magnacut mule and it really is shining finally. Sharpens and deburrs slightly better and the fine edge, stability are where I like. Between it and my M390 para 3 (which seems to be with a nice heat treat) are the only stainless knives I truly enjoy for their edge performance. Still doesn't sharpen as well as cruwear, come up as nice as my K390 Delica or even 10V PM2.
That all said I think you really touched on the truth of the matter in this video. This is a great stainless steel but it takes a custom heat treat to compete with its non-stainless competition like 4V. For those looking for high performance in mass produced knives I'm guessing the 4V, M4, 10V, K390V will usually be better options. You're right that we still have to see what comes out of the factories though and wait for them to optimize over time.
Finally got some 4V in the St Nick's Para 3 LW. 3rd edge so far and I've been extremely surprised by how fast the steel moves on diamond. Edge breaks down like expected but the front end isn't quite there yet which I'm expecting to really start improving after a few more, less rushed edges.
Thanks for the info. I was debating getting the 4v lightweight but was disappointed in the build quality on the lightweight I had. It was uncomfortable, had sharp spots from the injection molding, and blade rub due to centering issues. How was the fit and finish on yours?
@@BenoJ3000 First para 3 lightweight I've had and am very pleased with the build quality honestly. This is coming from a guy that does like FRN keep in mind.
I did have to file/sand the inside edges of the handles but I do that to all FRN so no big deal to me. Centering and action are perfect which was surprising to me
I was really primed to be disappointed with magnacut after all the hype but I have to say…the two mules I have in it are fantastic so far (~62.5). They aren’t as hard as some of the higher end, custom jobs obviously but they’re still impressive for what they are. They come up super sharp and definitely edge out my LC200N blades in edge retention. I know it’s a bit of a departure from the community’s impression of magnacut (everyone wants it to be the next Cruwear for whatever reason) but I see this as being the next hyperstainless a la LC200N (ignoring their vast differences in chemistry). On paper, I’m not really a stainless steel guy. I like M4, Cruwear, K390, 1095 and all things corrosive…magnacut still gives me that vibe despite its reputed stainlessness.
I think what's cool is that LC200N is an ultratough stainless, but magnacut has the edge retention..very cool
Wowww I want one
Nice, I sent Larrin Thomas your way. Hopefully he likes the results
Is be lying if I said I didn’t like it! Dam I need one
If WE/Bestech/Artisan/KAI/Benchmade/Reate/Etc. Would start getting production M390/20CV up to a minimum of 61-63 HRC it would be so nice. The number you get on Spyderco’s and custom makers that approach 63+ the numbers are staggering and you actually see the benefit of the steel. Magnacut will be similar I think. 63-64 looks like it preforms pretty great.
You mentioned other companies, but none are as surprising as CRK. I emailed them and they said when they run out of s45 they’ll be switching over to Magnacut. A company that is notorious for taking things slow are jumping on this steel fast, that’s one hell of a statement.
I wonder how the toughness is at 65hrc.
At 65 Larrin's charpy tests put magnacut about twice the toughness as s30v is at 60. Or about as tough as s35vn and cts-xhp when they are at 61
@@kyleoleary6082 Yeah, your right on the money. At 65 it's a bit lower. I mean, it's high for stainless at that hardness of coarse. Xhp I wouldn't classify as stainless. S35vn is though.
Thank you. Will you also be able to do some edge strength/stability tests with these (wood, brass, etc.)? I am already looking forward to you getting your hands on the Native 5 (once it is out) :)
If it was mine I wouldnt haha, imagine it chipping on that thin edge
@@EAwert42 nothing fun in life comes without risks 😁
@@EAwert42
Plenty of 8cr out there if you're not actually gonna use your knife.
I'm all for safe-queens, I totally get it, but getting a 65HRC reblade and then just staring at is really dumb.
Besides, thin edges make chips easier to fix!
This seems to be a real supersteel. G.did you test that blade with no handles? Ouch
Are there any places where you can buy knives with Magncut at these high HRC levels. The best I have found so far is only 60-62.
Hogue advertised the Deka in Magnacut at 63, I've heard Spyderco will be changing the protocol they use for Magnacut as well. Other than those 2 for production knives you would have to look to custom stuff at this point. Brian, Transparent Knives offers reblades for a couple knives in Magnacut at 64 to 65.
@@Outpost_76 Thanks
will be interesting to see a Bark River Magnacut vs a production company like Benchmade or Spyderco
You talking Bushcraft Scout versus Mule Team#38? Cause I'm set to do that comparison, but different grinds and blade geometry
I was expecting it to out perform CPM-M4 but it fell short by a good 20%.
Not sure what comparisons can be made what with these blades being very thinly ground customs and the M4 being a stock Spyderco manix-2 but i was really expecting them to atleast match the M4.
Hmmmm.......guess theres always a twist and turn to the story.
Like Pete from Cedric and Ada!
Man, you got to drink a pot of coffee before you record your vids, otherwise must watch on double speed to get to the end in one sitting 🤗🤣
Production companies are going to do 60 to 62 per Larines video.
You leave some unbelievably dumb comments.
That's not an insult, it's genuinely impressive that you seem to actually believe the things you say.
It just shows how easily it is to interpret words totally wrong without the benefit of a bit of reason.
@@CNYKnifeNerd something got u. Cheer up.