As an owner of a 1199s, I've done endless research on the heat issue. It stems from the coolant pump barely circulating coolant when the bike is coasting or at low revs. The pump was designed to be most efficient when the engine is under high loads on track. I actually can't fault Ducati for taking this design route.
@@freedeworld it's doesn't "overheat",it's a Ducati characteristic,they're known for running hot in town and low speed,they throw out a lot of heat,the temperature gauge might read higher than a Japanese bike but they're not in the red zone, as you say the fan kicks in when the temperature does get a bit too high but nothing to worry about,it soon comes down again.
@@freedeworld It's not a setting as much as the engineering of the cooling system. You have to make design compromises, a system that flows enough GPH (or LPH in the rest of the world) to cool at low speed and low RPM would flow too much to cool efficiently at high speeds/high RPM. The water needs to be in the radiator long enough to radiate heat to the atmosphere, you can't escape physics.
This is by far the best review in the V4 I have seen. Thank you! I desperately want a V4S but it'll have to wait a few years for them to become affordable to me.
Your reviews are the best on UA-cam. For a prospective buyer it gives everything you could need, running costs, comfort, real world performance and practicability etc. Absolutely top drawer, I hope the manufacturers read the great comments you get. The professional ex racer doing a review just on the track means nothing the the typical 40 or 50 year old real world purchaser. Thanks again
Wow that’s incredible....on what basis I wonder? ....and thanks for commenting, not often I get one of the big boys commenting on my videos! All the best - TMF
Finally in my budget after six years ! I revisit this video every year to keep the faith . Had it a few weeks and picked it up on a warm (English) day . To say it gets hot is a understatement!
Re lubing/adjusting the chain: because it has a single sided swingarm, getting it on a paddock stand is a doddle, and adjusting the chain is easy peasy, as one can't get the wheel out of line. I haven't done the chain on one of these, but reckon it's much the same as it was on my 916 many years ago. Thanks for a really good review, as usual.
I've traded a 959 (which I owned for 4 years) for a V4, the standard bike without the Ohlins. Very easy to ride, compared to the other twin superbike Ducati's I've had. Yes they are expensive, then you are getting something with out standing build quality. I wanted to say thank you TMF, for your review here. It helped with the buying decision.
Had a Ducati Monster for 3 years, 13k miles. Since new its always sounded broken on start up, its like starting up an old tractor. But in 3 years its never once failed to start, I guess its just a Ducati thing. They've got the Italian temperament. Once its warmed up it sounds delicious.
You just earnt a subscriber. This is by far, the best bike review I have ever watched on UA-cam. Well done! Keep up the good work. I hope you get many more bikes to review like this :)
Great review sir! Insurance cost bit steep! But with your 9 points it's no surprise.. 😂 never mind fuel gauge I love the GSXR miles till empty indicator! Would be lost without that
Ha what a joke, i used to pay that on my R125, then when I did my A2 and got an Ninja 650 I initially paid 1600, thats CHEAP but then again, for each person, their own, mind you the insurance i'm talking about for my bikes were all with CLEAN license, no claims bonus as much as possible and in a relatively cheap area
LOL, I have traded in my Fire Blade and bought a VTR 1000 F FIRESTORM and love it:) no mamby pamby traction control or ABS just seat of the pants Thrills:)
Here is the deal. When necessary, the hidden miles to empty indicator will send a signal to the hidden gps. From then on it's hands off and the bike will ride itself the the nearest petrol station. This is the reason for the stratospheric price for this motorbike. 😂😎
Thanks to your great review TMF I have put a deposit down on a V4 today, with delivery for start of next month. Thanks again, best real world review on You Tube
I like how you hit so many of my curiosities of owning and riding. Long video but not too painful to watch hahaha. Your accent makes it pleasant I suppose
Insurance is an interesting point here. I certainly agree with TMF about being indicative. I looked at a Panigale V4 end of 2019 (eventually bought a 2019 Honda Fireblade due to £). Insurance quote for the V4 as about same as TMF; circa £1300 for the year fully comprehensive. I'm in a better financial position now, so am fortunate enough to be considering a V4 again, but as a 3rd bike alongside the Fireblade and my Ducati Monster S2R. Insurance quote is now £545 for the V4. That being said, my circumstances have also changed; I'm now 30 years old whereas I 28 back then, I'm now married, and also a homeowner too. Things like this make an enormous difference here in the UK.
Great review. Still cant warrant buying V4S Corse yet because of the insurance. £1855 lowest quote so far. Never claimed, 42 years old, live middle of nowhere in North Devon. I pay £220 a year fully comp for an MT09, BMW R65, KTM 450 EXC-F and a custom CB250, i dont understand why the insurance is so ridiclous for the V4!
Certainly couldn't use it as a general purpose in Australia with our roads. Having owned an R80GS that's the sort of bike you for touring, exploring back roads between Melbourne and Canberra.
@@Kickassdave The problem with Sports bikes in Australia is that there is no nowhere you can enjoy more than a fraction of their potential apart from track days. Owing to saturation fixed, mobile speed cameras and the like, your chances of getting caught are pretty high. That's why large capacity adventure bikes that allow you to explore Australia on road and off are a much more sensible, worthwhile investment.
Hi TMF, I'm not really into Panigale's although I agree they looks the dogs bits. This is a top review, great video. Well thought out and executed. Enjoyed watching thanks.
Never been a fan of Ducati but each to their own,a great real world review. My first bike after passing my DAS in 2006 was a CBR600F,had that for a year and then had a Super Blackbird for nearly eight years.Sold that and brought a Fireblade which was fantastic but very uncomfortable,I kept it for three and a half years before selling it and getting a Gen1 ZZR1400...kept it for 1 and a half years and now ride a 2015 ZZR1400 Performance Sport.
Puts key in ignition. 'Better go and pay' (for fuel). I really hope you didn't leave the key there on a £24k bike while paying!!! Beautiful machine. Personally I wouldn't own a sports bike as my only bike unless it was just for weekend blasts no matter how desirable.
Bb Bb 44Teeth or BaronVonGrumble...don’t they have a video titled, “Your bike will be stolen”? Always thought they were British, but being from Texas, maybe I’m mistaking the accent from somewhere up north. 😁
@@theonlyDougBlack you are right they are British. All I was saying is that it's not very common in the UK to have Bike thefts when you are just walking into a shop etc. Yes bike and car thefts happen but they are not that bad
@stan d. upnow lol 3rd world refugees have no history of Burglary in the UK. Most Burglaries are by English people. As of your girlfriends story that's very rare especially in apartments or flats .
Valid point about the insurance TMF. Insurance use to be the first thing you checked out before buying your new pride and joy but it seems nowadays it’s the thing that buyers do after they have placed their order and arranged the handover. The best (worse) example of this is the issues that BMW owners have had with insuring the R1200GS Rallye. The vast majority of insurance companies don’t recognise the model even though it has been around a while now. The nearest they get to is the R1200GSA Rallye. That one is worth checking out on line to see just how many people had issues with that. Great review Sir! David
Jesus that’s ridiculous insurance. I’ve had full A licence in Ireland since 07. I’m 40, been off bikes for 6 years. Lost all no claims bonus and it’s costing €850. The Irish market is usually ridiculous compared to the UK. I did do a rider skill assessment (axa insurance assessment to see how good a driver you are) got a grade 2. So that helped but still, huge difference.
Great review. I have the Speciale which, as you know, is a V4s with special bits and numbered. I love my bike. It is so much nicer to ride than my Desmo D16RR! That is one brutal machine. I use my Desert Sled around town.
Great video and really appreciate your thoughts on the practical considerations. I too am in love with the bike but had a niggle in the back of my mind about it being practical and maybe intimidating. You’re vid has now put me at ease on both of those so thanks so much.
Heat is a problem with all powerful bikes and cars, the more power the engine generates, the greater the amount of heat is produced. These bikes are designed to be ridden fast, so crawling around town at low speed is not going to get rid of the heat fast enough... Great bike, great review...
The point that Ducati has improved with low speeds makes it a better urban handler... Not really sure about the heat though... By the way, I like the way you deliver your insight about a bike in each one of your videos... All the best!!!
Might have been worth mentioning the lithium ion battery, which helps make the bike light but means you’ll need a dedicated charger. The tyres are nice and sticky, but you’ll probably need a new set every year, which I would have included in the likely running costs. Another great video.
Why? I have lithium batteries on all my bikes. They hold their charge much longer. That's one of the reasons for having them. If you are referring to the desulphation mode with some chargers, I just use one without the desulphation mode. But as i said they rarely need topping up.
Mine has sat in the garage for 2 months pissing oil out of the oil cooler.Its yet another recall,going to have a different cooler fitted,but god knows when,Ducati are not exactly rushing things.The cam chain tensioner need to be tightened,that’s another recall,getting fed up
Yes all I've done with mine since end of Nov is ride it to the dealer, where it's sat for 4 weeks waiting for recall parts. This review is keeping me going whilst I wait for Spring
@@TheMissendenFlyer Yes all I've done with mine since end of Nov is ride it to the dealer, where it's sat for 4 weeks waiting for recall parts. Your review is keeping me going whilst I wait for Spring 😕
A fuel gauge whatever next ? I can remember a time when a bike came with a " reserve " position for the fuel petcock. You would ride around untill the bike started stalling, then you would reach down to discover the petcock had been on reserve all along. The good old days :-)
I always just set things on a custom profile and have engine power settings all the way up but also traction control and such all the way up. One thing I’d love to try on the Ducati is the adjustable engine braking, as super sport bikes have such excessive engine braking for the track, it’s not so great for city driving.
Excellent update as always! I had a plan to save for the next year to then look at getting a V4S, might need to save a while longer as that monthly running cost is a bit steep!
What a weapon, cheers. Just to say (sort of related), if you only have a side stand there is a good little bit of kit that you put on the ground (front or back) that you roll the bike onto and it has two rollers on bearings so you can turn the wheel (front or back not both at once unless you had two). Great for fiddling and chain lubeing, cheap too, just sayin. 😊
One other note, putting a lithium battery in helps with the starting clatter as it turns over a little faster and starts quicker. I had one on my Multi and it was much better, especially when a bit colder.
Just wondering if the mirror vibration could be cured, ot at least reduced, by adding some mass to them rather like bar end weights to dampen vibrations in the handlebars? Perhaps try taping some weights (like wheel balancing weights? ) to the top? If it works the weights could then be placed inside the mirror shell, behind the glass.
Great review, practical costs and break down. Lets face it, many who buy this may well fall into two camps. 1) those that can afford it and don’t care what the costs are. 2) those that will not be able to afford it and buy it anyway. Bare that in mind when buying a second hand one guys.
TheMissendenFlyer The place does still look fairly dire, But must say that I went to St Louis and Henry Floyd schools and I've no complaints about them.
TMF...You taking it easy in the wet on that with those Supercorsa's about same pace as me on similar roads on my BT023 shod Hornet CB600S !. In my defence I don't have ANY gadget trickery & it's my 1st winter riding a proper bike since DAS passed 3 months ago. Thanks for sharing...(saw a nice V2 yesterday at a regular stop). All the best.
Thank you for your terrific review - again. Like you, i have an 899 which I regard as my dream machine (The Scalpel) - but it's nice to know what else is out there. Probably like everyone who rides - I envy Michael Neeves - lucky duck touring around Europe on a Panigale V4, and he says he's at work!
Referencing bikes you’ve reviewed, I’d like to hear you discuss engine configurations. They all have a character, but characterizing that character is a task I think you’d be able to nail.
Great review , crazy insurance quote though, im 31 , been riding 5 years , 3 years ncb and quoted £398 fully comprehensive, and considering id do alot of my own maintenance such as brakes, oil changes etc, then it makes it wayyyy more affordable than I anticipated!! Infact, my current mt10 is more expensive to insure (£439) 🤯
@@danielhicks1566 I'm with Bennetts too and even though I had an extra years NCB this year they still substantially increased my premiums - Insurance is a law unto itself....
@@TheMissendenFlyer yeah its a bit crazy to be honest, its better to cancel and get a completely fresh quote ! I think they just bump the renewals up and rely on people just being okay with it, again, great review and il drop you a sub 😎 ride safe and lets hope this year is better all round !!
Yeeeah mate, this is one of the very few ''full screen vids'' grab a special beer and enjoy the weekend. this should be a proper big brother for my 939 SP..
That insurance quote is way over the top , I phoned Carole Nash yesterday here in Ireland & I was quoted an extra € 132 until my insurance is up again next June ,I have 3 bikes with them , that was on a 2019 v4s valued at € 24 k !!
I went with Ducati Insurance and have my new Harley breakout and Ducati V4s on the same. Policy and it was only £900 I’m 39 years old and have 3 years no claims and Ducati was the only Insurance company that would insure me as the others said the bike was to new and did not come up on there computers.
This video of the vr4 with an akrapovic exhaust fitted and it sounds simply incredible, you can hear how the engine pick up is more crisp with short throllte blips. Such an amazing bike @
Another fantastic review Mr. TMF but what's wrong with the camera in the garage? I first thought it was my eyes, but no, the camera goes in and out of focus continously! Maybe it's the lovely Ducati who is to blingy? 😂😂😂
Yes it's a shame - that's a mirrorless panasonic that seems to struggle in the man cave - have recently gone back to my old Nikon DSLR in there or even the GoPro7......
Great review as always. Regarding the lack of backlit switchgear, I have this on my 1260 Multistrada so don't see why Ducati couldn't put it on the V4. Maybe they figured that most V4s riders will generally only ride in the daytime. But for a bike of that cost you could be forgiven for expecting it, along with a fuel gauge!
Excellent review, very thorough indeed and very insightful with the running/owning costs to consider. I don't get why the engine has to spin a bit at start up before it actually runs. It does look extremely fast at a standstill....!!
I considered on on offer here in Australia. I was very suspicious about the exhaust heat which is a huge issue in our summers. Also luggage makes it just a weekender spin machine. The rest ide love.
How about your cost of ownership section, looking at Depreciation after say 1 year and 2? Certain brilliant orange machines will fare badly compared with certain machines with the GS moniker ;-)
Great bike and a good honest review. Hopefully not spoiled your own Ducati for you!? Not going to happen is it:) The noise from that 899 is second to none.
Another great reviewTMF, just amazes me how every bike made has usually some simple annoying idiosyncrasies, I can accept the rattles noisy motor, clutch, but to ride this machine in warmer climates or slightly congested traffic without special protection from heat, or not be able to navigate around tighter areas would surely take the love out of owning such a machine. I love you’re honest objective reviews and would hope manufacturers take into consideration you’re comments, surely this would make for a better product and happier customers, just saying.....
To have a bike with a TFT screen with features that can probably tell you to the 1000th of a sec how much quicker you took that bend and, but not the ability to tell you if you've got enough gas to get to the next one is strange. Are Ducati aware we use motorbikes on the road, and fill them at petrol stations and not pitstops. I wonder if you can retro fit them on that fancy software behind that TFT?
Still find it odd thinking about it. I had a YZF R125 and THAT had a fuel gauge. Switched to the 899 and to be honest the fact that that bike didn't have a fuel gauge amazed me. 2018/2019 and the 24k V4S doesn't have one either? Cmon Ducati. Not good enough.
Hi TMF great video as always love the bike that would surely be a keeper. Just an observation, I noticed when you went to pay for the petrol you left the keys in the ignition probably not a good idea given the scourge of bike thieves in the UK. However keep up the good work. Cheers
I think all fuel injected bikes have to have a fuel warning light,as you have found,as running them totally empty is not ideal from a mechanical perspective.My 1198 puts on the fuel warning light on and then starts counting the milage from when light comes on,when it gets to 12 miles get ready to push it!😉😀
As I've mentioned before, the 2015 Multi was first with back-lit switches I think. However, if KTM can put them on the 790 Duke and as you say, Triumph on a lot of their models, Ducati have no excuse for not having it on their flagship, especially when they have the tech in house already! Cheapskates! ;) Ditto the fuel gauge - although Ducati's history with those is a bit poor (understatement).
My favourite thing about the panigales is that their colour is just absolutely amazing It’s like coca colas red, perfectly tailored, beautiful and couldnt be more beautiful in any other colour
Hi TMF Any chance you could review the new Ducati 1260 multistrada enduro.. As a BMW Gs owner it looks avery interesting machine.. Would be good to hear your thoughts...
Enjoyed your review, I've got a base model and it's an amazing bike, it is flawed though, it hates being ridden around town as it has a horrible,grabby clutch and gets STUPIDLY hot!, for a trackday or a blast around the countryside though what a bike, only other thing is it doesn't sound as good as the RSV4 Factory it replaced in my case.
Yes I agree on all points, the sound is a bit disappointing, my 899 sounds much nicer! All Panigales get daft hot it seems....have you thought about fitting the throttle spacer to cure the snatch at low speed? Transformed my bike and fits all Panigales I think (search for "Panigale Throttle Spacer" to see my fitting video etc).....
@@TheMissendenFlyer Thanks I will look into it, it's more the clutch at low speed and pulling away I don't like too much to be honest, think we could both agree this bike would rather be 'making progress' it really isn't a good commuter. Have you ridden the Aprilia much?, that and the generation R1s sound the best to me, not that the Panigale V4 is bad sounding, it's just not as good.
Fantastic fair review Andy! If only Ducati had sought your opinion when designing the bike. Some of those niggles (and too many for a 24k bike) should really have been addressed before launch. So much so that even if I had the cash, they would seriously make me reconsider. But I understand those who are besotted with the brand, so tolerant of failings which are unforgivable really. But now I think, I don't know a single owner of one. Perhaps the few on the road are all Demos. That's why they are so expensive! How quirky is that.
Great review MF. I liked how you considered a lot of the practical issues of riding the bike in real world conditions. You offered another perspective of bike review and brought a couple of things to my attention I hadn't considered. I test rode a V4s a few months ago and like yourself was a bit scared at the start but quickly grew in confidence and couldn't believe how easy and smooth it was at low speed, actually less jerky than my Duc Supersport. If only I could afford the bike and insurance, it has become my dream bike. Maybe if I save for 10 years I'll eventually have enough 😅
£1300 insurance to have THAT. I live in Central London and having a Ninja 300 costs more in insurance LOL! I wouldn't feel comfortable having this bike I'd expect it to get stolen even if I had it locked in a safe.
It's a beautiful looking bike I give you that, but there are two things that would stop me buying one (apart from the price) The heat that it chucks out & that sound of the stater motor. Could not live with that !
As an owner of a 1199s, I've done endless research on the heat issue. It stems from the coolant pump barely circulating coolant when the bike is coasting or at low revs. The pump was designed to be most efficient when the engine is under high loads on track. I actually can't fault Ducati for taking this design route.
Figures... it's a superbike after all, built for the track not the streets.
My 1198 is the same,it quickly gets hot and bothered in town and kicks out a lot of heat.
Graham Smith wouldn’t it be programmable if it’s a matter of cooling? Water pump and fan trigger temp stuff?
@@freedeworld it's doesn't "overheat",it's a Ducati characteristic,they're known for running hot in town and low speed,they throw out a lot of heat,the temperature gauge might read higher than a Japanese bike but they're not in the red zone, as you say the fan kicks in when the temperature does get a bit too high but nothing to worry about,it soon comes down again.
@@freedeworld It's not a setting as much as the engineering of the cooling system. You have to make design compromises, a system that flows enough GPH (or LPH in the rest of the world) to cool at low speed and low RPM would flow too much to cool efficiently at high speeds/high RPM. The water needs to be in the radiator long enough to radiate heat to the atmosphere, you can't escape physics.
This is by far the best review in the V4 I have seen. Thank you! I desperately want a V4S but it'll have to wait a few years for them to become affordable to me.
I'm still waiting :/
@@MrBoybergs I rode an Aprilia Tuono the other day and I'm selling my Panigale asap to get one.
@@gnarshread Excellent ! Id go for the Tuono over the Panigale if the choice were mine. Have a blast and stay safe :)
Your reviews are the best on UA-cam. For a prospective buyer it gives everything you could need, running costs, comfort, real world performance and practicability etc. Absolutely top drawer, I hope the manufacturers read the great comments you get. The professional ex racer doing a review just on the track means nothing the the typical 40 or 50 year old real world purchaser. Thanks again
Cheers Gareth - that has always been my thinking and why I do reviews this way....
The Pabigale V4 us actually cheaper to own than my old cbr1000rr here in Ohio. Insurance for me is just $380 a year, my cbr is 630 a year!
Wow that’s incredible....on what basis I wonder? ....and thanks for commenting, not often I get one of the big boys commenting on my videos! All the best - TMF
Finally in my budget after six years ! I revisit this video every year to keep the faith . Had it a few weeks and picked it up on a warm (English) day . To say it gets hot is a understatement!
I did say!
Re lubing/adjusting the chain: because it has a single sided swingarm, getting it on a paddock stand is a doddle, and adjusting the chain is easy peasy, as one can't get the wheel out of line. I haven't done the chain on one of these, but reckon it's much the same as it was on my 916 many years ago. Thanks for a really good review, as usual.
An excellent 'real world' and honest and relevant review as usual Flyer. Keep up the great work!
I've traded a 959 (which I owned for 4 years) for a V4, the standard bike without the Ohlins. Very easy to ride, compared to the other twin superbike Ducati's I've had. Yes they are expensive, then you are getting something with out standing build quality. I wanted to say thank you TMF, for your review here. It helped with the buying decision.
How are you liking your V4 so far?
Great video. I like how you broke down the cost of ownership to a monthly rate. More people should think this way when purchasing a motorcycle.
What a thoroughly cracking review Mr Flyer.
Thank you Phil - appreciated!
I've watched dozens of ducati V4 reviews and this is the best, most interesting and comprehensive, i've seen. Well done TMF!
Thank you!
Had a Ducati Monster for 3 years, 13k miles. Since new its always sounded broken on start up, its like starting up an old tractor. But in 3 years its never once failed to start, I guess its just a Ducati thing. They've got the Italian temperament.
Once its warmed up it sounds delicious.
Yeah exactly - mine always starts too, just sounds like it doesn't want to!
Yep every Ducati I ever owned started up like a bag of spanners!
You just earnt a subscriber. This is by far, the best bike review I have ever watched on UA-cam. Well done! Keep up the good work.
I hope you get many more bikes to review like this :)
Thanks Luke and welcome along!
Great review sir! Insurance cost bit steep! But with your 9 points it's no surprise.. 😂 never mind fuel gauge I love the GSXR miles till empty indicator! Would be lost without that
Yes why don't all bikes have that, pretty much all cars (except mine) do these days!
Ha what a joke, i used to pay that on my R125, then when I did my A2 and got an Ninja 650 I initially paid 1600, thats CHEAP but then again, for each person, their own, mind you the insurance i'm talking about for my bikes were all with CLEAN license, no claims bonus as much as possible and in a relatively cheap area
Just keep it full??
LOL, I have traded in my Fire Blade and bought a VTR 1000 F FIRESTORM and love it:) no mamby pamby traction control or ABS just seat of the pants Thrills:)
Here is the deal. When necessary, the hidden miles to empty indicator will send a signal to the hidden gps. From then on it's hands off and the bike will ride itself the the nearest petrol station. This is the reason for the stratospheric price for this motorbike. 😂😎
Thanks to your great review TMF I have put a deposit down on a V4 today, with delivery for start of next month. Thanks again, best real world review on You Tube
Lucky man Gareth - you're going to love that thing! Awesome bike....
I like how you hit so many of my curiosities of owning and riding. Long video but not too painful to watch hahaha. Your accent makes it pleasant I suppose
Thank you very much...I suppose ;0)
Insurance is an interesting point here. I certainly agree with TMF about being indicative. I looked at a Panigale V4 end of 2019 (eventually bought a 2019 Honda Fireblade due to £). Insurance quote for the V4 as about same as TMF; circa £1300 for the year fully comprehensive.
I'm in a better financial position now, so am fortunate enough to be considering a V4 again, but as a 3rd bike alongside the Fireblade and my Ducati Monster S2R. Insurance quote is now £545 for the V4. That being said, my circumstances have also changed; I'm now 30 years old whereas I 28 back then, I'm now married, and also a homeowner too. Things like this make an enormous difference here in the UK.
Another honest, descriptive and straight to the point video.This guy is probably the best along with 44th 👍👍👌
You're very kind sir!
Great review. Still cant warrant buying V4S Corse yet because of the insurance. £1855 lowest quote so far. Never claimed, 42 years old, live middle of nowhere in North Devon. I pay £220 a year fully comp for an MT09, BMW R65, KTM 450 EXC-F and a custom CB250, i dont understand why the insurance is so ridiclous for the V4!
The dark art!
Certainly couldn't use it as a general purpose in Australia with our roads. Having owned an R80GS that's the sort of bike you for touring, exploring back roads between Melbourne and Canberra.
With the Australian climate? You genuinely don't realise how much more practical a sports bike is in Australia than it is anywhere else
@@Kickassdave The problem with Sports bikes in Australia is that there is no nowhere you can enjoy more than a fraction of their potential apart from track days. Owing to saturation fixed, mobile speed cameras and the like, your chances of getting caught are pretty high.
That's why large capacity adventure bikes that allow you to explore Australia on road and off are a much more sensible, worthwhile investment.
@@MrAndrew1953 ok I'm with you. That makes sense. Thanks for the response mate!
Hi TMF, I'm not really into Panigale's although I agree they looks the dogs bits. This is a top review, great video. Well thought out and executed. Enjoyed watching thanks.
Thanks for watching as ever - haven't heard from you for a while?
@@TheMissendenFlyer I'm still watching, still enjoying. 🙂
Never been a fan of Ducati but each to their own,a great real world review.
My first bike after passing my DAS in 2006 was a CBR600F,had that for a year and then had a Super Blackbird for nearly eight years.Sold that and brought a Fireblade which was fantastic but very uncomfortable,I kept it for three and a half years before selling it and getting a Gen1 ZZR1400...kept it for 1 and a half years and now ride a 2015 ZZR1400 Performance Sport.
You've got a very reassuring voice mate. If I take up riding I'd want an instructor with the exact same patience and encouragement!
Very kind of you.....maybe it's a pilot thing....
Puts key in ignition. 'Better go and pay' (for fuel). I really hope you didn't leave the key there on a £24k bike while paying!!! Beautiful machine. Personally I wouldn't own a sports bike as my only bike unless it was just for weekend blasts no matter how desirable.
This is England mate. You don't get a lot of thieves. You must be commenting from America
Bb Bb 44Teeth or BaronVonGrumble...don’t they have a video titled, “Your bike will be stolen”? Always thought they were British, but being from Texas, maybe I’m mistaking the accent from somewhere up north. 😁
@@theonlyDougBlack you are right they are British. All I was saying is that it's not very common in the UK to have Bike thefts when you are just walking into a shop etc. Yes bike and car thefts happen but they are not that bad
@stan d. upnow lol 3rd world refugees have no history of Burglary in the UK. Most Burglaries are by English people. As of your girlfriends story that's very rare especially in apartments or flats .
@@BbBb-hw5pq You have to be kidding right, not a lot of thieves? London is like the world's capital of bike theft...
Valid point about the insurance TMF. Insurance use to be the first thing you checked out before buying your new pride and joy but it seems nowadays it’s the thing that buyers do after they have placed their order and arranged the handover.
The best (worse) example of this is the issues that BMW owners have had with insuring the R1200GS Rallye. The vast majority of insurance companies don’t recognise the model even though it has been around a while now. The nearest they get to is the R1200GSA Rallye.
That one is worth checking out on line to see just how many people had issues with that.
Great review Sir!
David
Thank you Two go Tiki Touring - cheers for watching!
Thisis the first Panigale v4 vid I've watched where it actually sounds good.
The fuel issue on my 2020 Panigale V4S, I reset the odometer to hAve a idea of fuel remaining. 🥰 I absolutely LOVE it. !
Jesus that’s ridiculous insurance.
I’ve had full A licence in Ireland since 07. I’m 40, been off bikes for 6 years. Lost all no claims bonus and it’s costing €850. The Irish market is usually ridiculous compared to the UK.
I did do a rider skill assessment (axa insurance assessment to see how good a driver you are) got a grade 2. So that helped but still, huge difference.
Great review. I have the Speciale which, as you know, is a V4s with special bits and numbered. I love my bike. It is so much nicer to ride than my Desmo D16RR! That is one brutal machine. I use my Desert Sled around town.
Definitely a Ducati man then!
Great video and really appreciate your thoughts on the practical considerations. I too am in love with the bike but had a niggle in the back of my mind about it being practical and maybe intimidating. You’re vid has now put me at ease on both of those so thanks so much.
Not intimidating at all - one of the easiest sports bikes I’ve yet ridden!
It is impossible V4s owner just have one bike. We normally have 3+ bikes and 3+ cars, and 3+ girlfriends.
Lirui Zhu could not agree more! Lol
Tick on the first two tho one girl is enough
Wait 😯
As a v4 owner, i have the right to remain silent
@@liruizhu2146 what kind of drugs are you on?
Heat is a problem with all powerful bikes and cars, the more power the engine generates, the greater the amount of heat is produced. These bikes are designed to be ridden fast, so crawling around town at low speed is not going to get rid of the heat fast enough... Great bike, great review...
By far the best review I've watched
Thank you!
The point that Ducati has improved with low speeds makes it a better urban handler... Not really sure about the heat though...
By the way, I like the way you deliver your insight about a bike in each one of your videos... All the best!!!
Thank you!
It’s improved due to it being a v4.
V twins are notoriously clunky at low revs
Might have been worth mentioning the lithium ion battery, which helps make the bike light but means you’ll need a dedicated charger. The tyres are nice and sticky, but you’ll probably need a new set every year, which I would have included in the likely running costs.
Another great video.
Why? I have lithium batteries on all my bikes. They hold their charge much longer. That's one of the reasons for having them. If you are referring to the desulphation mode with some chargers, I just use one without the desulphation mode. But as i said they rarely need topping up.
Now this is a good review. Finally
Best v4 review I have watched!
Cheers!
Mine has sat in the garage for 2 months pissing oil out of the oil cooler.Its yet another recall,going to have a different cooler fitted,but god knows when,Ducati are not exactly rushing things.The cam chain tensioner need to be tightened,that’s another recall,getting fed up
Ho forgot.The clutch needs bleeding every couple of hundred miles,think there is a recall coming to replace the clutch line,it just goes on and on
Oh dear :0( Sorry to hear of your woes - Friday afternoon machine perhaps??
TheMissendenFlyer Friday bonfire more like
Yes all I've done with mine since end of Nov is ride it to the dealer, where it's sat for 4 weeks waiting for recall parts.
This review is keeping me going whilst I wait for Spring
@@TheMissendenFlyer
Yes all I've done with mine since end of Nov is ride it to the dealer, where it's sat for 4 weeks waiting for recall parts.
Your review is keeping me going whilst I wait for Spring 😕
A fuel gauge whatever next ?
I can remember a time when a bike came with a " reserve " position for the fuel petcock.
You would ride around untill the bike started stalling, then you would reach down to discover the petcock had been on reserve all along. The good old days :-)
I remember those!
we've moved on a bit!!!
Ya make me feel old dude 😎
No good in Australia whth 80klm between stops on trips.
I always just set things on a custom profile and have engine power settings all the way up but also traction control and such all the way up.
One thing I’d love to try on the Ducati is the adjustable engine braking, as super sport bikes have such excessive engine braking for the track, it’s not so great for city driving.
Agreed that EBC is brilliant and makes the bike far more rideable....
Excellent update as always! I had a plan to save for the next year to then look at getting a V4S, might need to save a while longer as that monthly running cost is a bit steep!
Yes the most costly I've come across yet! But worth it I reckon, gorgeous bike.....
@@TheMissendenFlyer yes agreed, (, might need to sell a kidney.....or child :)
What a weapon, cheers. Just to say (sort of related), if you only have a side stand there is a good little bit of kit that you put on the ground (front or back) that you roll the bike onto and it has two rollers on bearings so you can turn the wheel (front or back not both at once unless you had two). Great for fiddling and chain lubeing, cheap too, just sayin. 😊
Yes good point!
One other note, putting a lithium battery in helps with the starting clatter as it turns over a little faster and starts quicker. I had one on my Multi and it was much better, especially when a bit colder.
Yes I have thought about that on my 899 - a bit of weight saving too....
Classic TMF
"Asbestos lined underpants"
"The M40, not a classic biker's road"
Made me lol, nice 1 👍
Great and useful review
I love your honest reviews. Thanks so much for the info/riding impressions-cheers!!!!
You’re welcome!
Just wondering if the mirror vibration could be cured, ot at least reduced, by adding some mass to them rather like bar end weights to dampen vibrations in the handlebars? Perhaps try taping some weights (like wheel balancing weights? ) to the top? If it works the weights could then be placed inside the mirror shell, behind the glass.
You shouldn't have to though right?
@@Kickassdave Absolutely, especially for £24k. But, if it helps...
Great review, practical costs and break down. Lets face it, many who buy this may well fall into two camps.
1) those that can afford it and don’t care what the costs are.
2) those that will not be able to afford it and buy it anyway.
Bare that in mind when buying a second hand one guys.
Great video. And info about the bike.
Thanks!
one of the great review for Ducati Panigale V4S
Thank you!
👍 Great review on a cool bike
I was born and went to school in Aylesbury so it was a trip down memory lane watching the beginning of your video.
Well done on your escape!
TheMissendenFlyer
The place does still look fairly dire,
But must say that I went to St Louis and Henry Floyd schools and I've no complaints about them.
TMF...You taking it easy in the wet on that with those Supercorsa's about same pace as me on similar roads on my BT023 shod Hornet CB600S !. In my defence I don't have ANY gadget trickery & it's my 1st winter riding a proper bike since DAS passed 3 months ago. Thanks for sharing...(saw a nice V2 yesterday at a regular stop). All the best.
Really great, real world review! Top video! Thanks
Thank you for watching!
Slick machine! What a very focused back road weapon.
I'd still take the Tuono and pocket the change for a holiday somewhere.
I loved the Tuono - but I'd have this over one any day....
Most negative points I've head from TMF, normally there are a few points but not like these. Lovely bike!
They all fade into insignificance though when you ride it.....
@@TheMissendenFlyer Sir you were very clear on that in your review and round up.
Another great real world review TMF. Can't help but lusting after this bike!
Yes she's gorgeous isn't she Spiros - not often a bike grabs me like this one did...
Thank you for your terrific review - again. Like you, i have an 899 which I regard as my dream machine (The Scalpel) - but it's nice to know what else is out there. Probably like everyone who rides - I envy Michael Neeves - lucky duck touring around Europe on a Panigale V4, and he says he's at work!
Referencing bikes you’ve reviewed, I’d like to hear you discuss engine configurations. They all have a character, but characterizing that character is a task I think you’d be able to nail.
Yes I have thought about that before....maybe I should....thanks!
Great review , crazy insurance quote though, im 31 , been riding 5 years , 3 years ncb and quoted £398 fully comprehensive, and considering id do alot of my own maintenance such as brakes, oil changes etc, then it makes it wayyyy more affordable than I anticipated!! Infact, my current mt10 is more expensive to insure (£439) 🤯
Wow - who was that with!
@@TheMissendenFlyer bennetts mate :)
@@danielhicks1566 I'm with Bennetts too and even though I had an extra years NCB this year they still substantially increased my premiums - Insurance is a law unto itself....
@@TheMissendenFlyer yeah its a bit crazy to be honest, its better to cancel and get a completely fresh quote ! I think they just bump the renewals up and rely on people just being okay with it, again, great review and il drop you a sub 😎 ride safe and lets hope this year is better all round !!
Wonderful in-depth review!
Cheers Pete!
Real and deep overview ever. Simple great video. Congratulation
absolutely loved the honest review, ty
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching - Andy
Yeeeah mate, this is one of the very few ''full screen vids'' grab a special beer and enjoy the weekend. this should be a proper big brother for my 939 SP..
That insurance quote is way over the top , I phoned Carole Nash yesterday here in Ireland & I was quoted an extra € 132 until my insurance is up again next June ,I have 3 bikes with them , that was on a 2019 v4s valued at € 24 k !!
Fantastic review of an awesome bike, would love to have the opportunity to ride one but will have to stick with my Supersport and Monster, Thanks TMF
Thanks for a great review. That insurance quote 😮 ouchy 😞
I went with Ducati Insurance and have my new Harley breakout and Ducati V4s on the same. Policy and it was only £900 I’m 39 years old and have 3 years no claims and Ducati was the only Insurance company that would insure me as the others said the bike was to new and did not come up on there computers.
Good tip!
Great review as always TMF - That Insurance would 'sting' !
This video of the vr4 with an akrapovic exhaust fitted and it sounds simply incredible, you can hear how the engine pick up is more crisp with short throllte blips. Such an amazing bike @
Another fantastic review Mr. TMF but what's wrong with the camera in the garage? I first thought it was my eyes, but no, the camera goes in and out of focus continously! Maybe it's the lovely Ducati who is to blingy? 😂😂😂
Yes it's a shame - that's a mirrorless panasonic that seems to struggle in the man cave - have recently gone back to my old Nikon DSLR in there or even the GoPro7......
The heat on v4 2020 from the engine is the same as this or the did something about it?
Great review as always. Regarding the lack of backlit switchgear, I have this on my 1260 Multistrada so don't see why Ducati couldn't put it on the V4. Maybe they figured that most V4s riders will generally only ride in the daytime. But for a bike of that cost you could be forgiven for expecting it, along with a fuel gauge!
I agree 100%
I am actually thinking about getting rid of my Harley Street Glide Special for this bike, I rode one and it's the best bike I've ever ridden.
Quite a change!
@@TheMissendenFlyer I was laughing like a madman riding the Panigale, and no bike has ever made me do that.
Excellent review, very thorough indeed and very insightful with the running/owning costs to consider. I don't get why the engine has to spin a bit at start up before it actually runs. It does look extremely fast at a standstill....!!
Thanks for the kind words Martin....
I considered on on offer here in Australia. I was very suspicious about the exhaust heat which is a huge issue in our summers. Also luggage makes it just a weekender spin machine. The rest ide love.
Yes all Panigale's run wickedly hot.....the heat shield I have fitted helps....
Always been a kawasaki fan, had the 2005 ZX10R, but this is a lovely looking bike, lottery ticket on, fingers crossed haha
How about your cost of ownership section, looking at Depreciation after say 1 year and 2? Certain brilliant orange machines will fare badly compared with certain machines with the GS moniker ;-)
What a great review. Incredibly comprehensive. The heat would be an issue in Sydney. I wonder if the 959 mirrors can be swapped to this?
Do they fold on the 959 then? They do on my 899 but thought they stopped doing them after that.....
Great bike and a good honest review. Hopefully not spoiled your own Ducati for you!? Not going to happen is it:) The noise from that 899 is second to none.
Exactly Simon - the V4 is beautiful and I'd have one in a heartbeat....but my 899 isn't too bad (and looks and sounds better IMO)....
Awesome review, very informative. Please review the Aprilla 1100?
I've definitely subbed.....great job.
I’d love ago on the 1100!! ...and welcome along!
Another great reviewTMF, just amazes me how every bike made has usually some simple annoying idiosyncrasies, I can accept the rattles noisy motor, clutch, but to ride this machine in warmer climates or slightly congested traffic without special protection from heat, or not be able to navigate around tighter areas would surely take the love out of owning such a machine. I love you’re honest objective reviews and would hope manufacturers take into consideration you’re comments, surely this would make for a better product and happier customers, just saying.....
Cheers Gil - appreciate the kind comments!
Can you elaborate on the fuel gauge?
Doesn't everybody sit on their bike while fueling so they can brim it?
Hi there can you tell how does it compare to honda cbr 1000rr comfort wise of cours
The Honda is more comfy (at least for me)
To have a bike with a TFT screen with features that can probably tell you to the 1000th of a sec how much quicker you took that bend and, but not the ability to tell you if you've got enough gas to get to the next one is strange.
Are Ducati aware we use motorbikes on the road, and fill them at petrol stations and not pitstops.
I wonder if you can retro fit them on that fancy software behind that TFT?
Yes it is inexcusable isn't it....
@@TheMissendenFlyer Head scratching, I don't understand their thinking.
Still find it odd thinking about it. I had a YZF R125 and THAT had a fuel gauge. Switched to the 899 and to be honest the fact that that bike didn't have a fuel gauge amazed me. 2018/2019 and the 24k V4S doesn't have one either? Cmon Ducati. Not good enough.
Hi TMF great video as always love the bike that would surely be a keeper. Just an observation, I noticed when you went to pay for the petrol you left the keys in the ignition probably not a good idea given the scourge of bike thieves in the UK. However keep up the good work. Cheers
...I didn't leave them in the ignition....
I think all fuel injected bikes have to have a fuel warning light,as you have found,as running them totally empty is not ideal from a mechanical perspective.My 1198 puts on the fuel warning light on and then starts counting the milage from when light comes on,when it gets to 12 miles get ready to push it!😉😀
As I've mentioned before, the 2015 Multi was first with back-lit switches I think. However, if KTM can put them on the 790 Duke and as you say, Triumph on a lot of their models, Ducati have no excuse for not having it on their flagship, especially when they have the tech in house already! Cheapskates! ;) Ditto the fuel gauge - although Ducati's history with those is a bit poor (understatement).
Good point!
My favourite thing about the panigales is that their colour is just absolutely amazing
It’s like coca colas red, perfectly tailored, beautiful and couldnt be more beautiful in any other colour
Hi TMF Any chance you could review the new Ducati 1260 multistrada enduro..
As a BMW Gs owner it looks avery interesting machine..
Would be good to hear your thoughts...
Enjoyed your review, I've got a base model and it's an amazing bike, it is flawed though, it hates being ridden around town as it has a horrible,grabby clutch and gets STUPIDLY hot!, for a trackday or a blast around the countryside though what a bike, only other thing is it doesn't sound as good as the RSV4 Factory it replaced in my case.
Yes I agree on all points, the sound is a bit disappointing, my 899 sounds much nicer! All Panigales get daft hot it seems....have you thought about fitting the throttle spacer to cure the snatch at low speed? Transformed my bike and fits all Panigales I think (search for "Panigale Throttle Spacer" to see my fitting video etc).....
@@TheMissendenFlyer Thanks I will look into it, it's more the clutch at low speed and pulling away I don't like too much to be honest, think we could both agree this bike would rather be 'making progress' it really isn't a good commuter.
Have you ridden the Aprilia much?, that and the generation R1s sound the best to me, not that the Panigale V4 is bad sounding, it's just not as good.
great review and a cracking machine..fair play sir
Fantastic fair review Andy! If only Ducati had sought your opinion when designing the bike. Some of those niggles (and too many for a 24k bike) should really have been addressed before launch. So much so that even if I had the cash, they would seriously make me reconsider. But I understand those who are besotted with the brand, so tolerant of failings which are unforgivable really. But now I think, I don't know a single owner of one. Perhaps the few on the road are all Demos. That's why they are so expensive! How quirky is that.
Nice review as always you are a lucky boy keep these videos coming thanks tony
I like to think of myself as fortunate rather than lucky....
Great review MF. I liked how you considered a lot of the practical issues of riding the bike in real world conditions. You offered another perspective of bike review and brought a couple of things to my attention I hadn't considered.
I test rode a V4s a few months ago and like yourself was a bit scared at the start but quickly grew in confidence and couldn't believe how easy and smooth it was at low speed, actually less jerky than my Duc Supersport. If only I could afford the bike and insurance, it has become my dream bike. Maybe if I save for 10 years I'll eventually have enough 😅
That's my plan!
£1300 insurance to have THAT. I live in Central London and having a Ninja 300 costs more in insurance LOL!
I wouldn't feel comfortable having this bike I'd expect it to get stolen even if I had it locked in a safe.
It's a beautiful looking bike I give you that, but there are two things that would stop me buying one (apart from the price) The heat that it chucks out & that sound of the stater motor. Could not live with that !
I can certainly put up with both....a fantastic bike IMO....
@@TheMissendenFlyer gonna have to try one out I guess
Excellent review, thanks man.
Thanks for watching!
2019 Model Year Wing Mirrors are rock solid ! No vibration like the 2018 model year ones ✅👍🏼
Nice....
I wonder if the starter sounding how it does is an Italian thing? My 2003 Moto Guzzi sounds exactly very similar turning over! :-)
Maybe, it's like the battery can only just turn the engine over - luckily it always starts....just you always have that moment of doubt!
it is a complete and helpful review ......good job
Thank you!