Starting Airsoft - Hop Up Basics (How a Hop Up Works: Beginners Guide)
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- A relatively quick look at the basics of getting started in airsoft: This time we look at the basics of how a Hop Up works and what effect it can have on your gun for both range an accuracy.
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So, just to piggyback on what he's saying for those of you who are more curious, the effect he's describing is known in Physics as the Magnus Effect. The Magnus Effect occurrs when backspin is applied to a cylinder or spheroid, while in forward motion. Much like a wing, the backspin causes the air above the spheroid (in this case a BB) to be of low pressure, and the air below to be of high pressure, which results in lift. As one may imagine, the friction between the air and the surface of the BB, called drag, causes the BB to slow down in velocity and rotation over time, resulting in the eventual drop. So what the hopup is actually doing is turning your BB's into little bitty wings you shoot at people.
actually its more complicated than that. the way the BB generates lift is actually the opposite of how an airplane does it. an airplane wing creates a situation in which air above the wing is traveling faster than the air below. since faster-moving air applies less, orthogonal (perpendicular) force than slow-moving air, there is a force imbalance and the plane rises.
Now, backspin on a BB actually will cause the air on top to move SLOWER relative to the BB. this is because the TOP half of the BB's surface is spinning backward "with the air" for lack of a better term. Meanwhile, the bottom of the BB is spinning "into the air" again for lack of better phrasing. this means that the BB should actually fall faster... but it doesn't, as we all know. I don't remember the specific physical principle that causes this but i know its VERY complicated math (i am a 4th year engineering student). what i do know is its the same thing that affects a curveball in baseball.
@@GhostsnypePS3 the proces of magnus effect is more as joe diskribed it that back spin make low presure on top by moving air faster and on bottom spining in to the air it is slowing down air and create high pressure.
I do know that the force that pulls a spinning bullet up and toward the direction of rotation of the projectile is called the magnus force or effect. Certainly similar but I'm not sure it's identical but I think it's great you've even heard of the magnus effect. Another pet peeve of mine is when people try telling me that 5.56mm/.223 rounds actually rise then fall. And I say no it's that the barrel is pointing upwards and your point of aim will match up at your near zero then again with far zero. It's called a parabolic and that's why the bullets "appear" to rise on their own. End rant 😆.
@@GhostsnypePS3 yes that is the primary cause of lift for airplanes but the air pressure effect also generates lift for the plane as well.
Tom Hartman Ohio
very helpful. I'm just starting airsoft and this was extremely helpful.
Yo you ride?
Is there anyone who can tell me if its possible to change a rifle from 1 joule to maybe 2 or 3 joules... so I can break glass bottles... I have intruders... I dont need a real gun... but I would love a strong airsoft gun...??
Same!!
same
@@modo7911 it's been 11 months since your comment and you had intruders while making the comment, hence the "I have intruders" its probably to late now. They either had there way with you or you figured it out in the nick of time. Hopefully the later.
Extremely detailed and highly technical, which is precisely what I like. Love it. "Good onya, boy!"
Thank you sir :)
@old man strength Could be an interesting subject, although then I'd have to explain how to r-hop lol
This isn't a weird method at all my guy. This is exactly what hands on learning looks like in private schools. Kudos to you for taking the time to lay things out for people. I know many people appreciate videos like this. People like you are exactly what makes the airsoft community so great. :)
Absolutely capitol explanation. I am an actual firearms retailer just getting into airsoft for training because of skyrocketing ammo prices. And as an engineering school drop out I’ve been researching how these things work and which are best and hop ups were one of those things that everyone mentions in videos and completely skim over in terms of an explanation. This was a brilliant explanation and now I fully understand. Thank you for making the vid.
Ive been trying to get into AirSoft, and I have been lost till I saw a few of your videos. Please make more. You haven't in 3 months.
That'a fair point.. What would you like to see covered?
w4stedspace honestly. You covered a lot. I would like to see a buying guide for a good beginner loadout. With so many guns to chose from it is really confusing to know which rifle to pick. I would like to see you opinion on which brand and which variation of rifle maybe is good for a starter. Maybe using price points. 1-200$ range, 200-300$ range.
What's the difference between certain ones, what to look for in a good rifle, the up and downs of certain types. This would be so helpful.
Also I love the detail in which you go into things. This is why I chose to ask you to make the video. I am so lost on where to start. I add a gun to my cart the. I am like well, is this the right one? Will I be happy, I should wait. I think that's what stops a lot of people from getting into the sport. It seems over whelming at time.
Also another point you could cover , should someone try to get a better gun that is second hand? Or get not as nice of a gun but brand new? I see lots of rifles for sale on my local ad apps. This also has me lost.
Thanks in advance.
I definetly agree i don't want spend too much money, but i don't want junk.
Well this ties in pretty well with a series I wanted to do.. guess I'll have to kick that off :) Kinda what you guys are suggesting except my plan is to actually buy the guns I recommend, play with them, talk about what works, what goes wrong.. how to fix it, how to upgrade later etc :)
The way the BB's spin and fly is actually called the "Magnus Effect"... Veritasium actually has a great video explaining the Magnus Effect... If you don't want to search, just add this, watch?v=2OSrvzNW9FE, to the end of the .com/ in your browser...
Your correct on the proper flight path however even in a stock AEG, with it tuned properly you should be able to easily reach out close to 200ft...
20-60ft = 0% hop
60-100ft = 5-20% hop
100-300ft = 20-100% hopThis variance allows for different builds... Poor quality or stock builds will be on the lower end and higher quality builds will be on the higher end, and extremely high performance HPA and Bolt actions being able to reach 300-350ft.
Also keep in mind BB weights. While a 0.12g bb will fly faster, its far from accurate at range and wont fly as far do to its light weight, where as a 0.30g bb will fly slower but fly farther and more accurately...
Seriously this is a good video. The explanation w4sted space gives is incorrect.
So fiddling with the hop up ISN'T black magic....who knew.
aNjaSqurl Black magic? Maybe not. Maybe juuust magic.
If magic was a science it wouldn’t be called magic.
Any sufficiently advanced technology will look like magic.
@@dmpyron2 little man inside flat light box. Must be magic. (Video on phone)
dmpyron2 that’s because you can’t define magic. True theory of magic points to magic not directly existent in our physical realm, you know, kind like 99% of things around us.
Magic is dark matter than negative energy.
Just a minor issue with the physics of the BBs in the beginning of the video. The BBs actually begin falling right after they leave the barrel. No matter how fast (or how much energy) the BB is moving, it still falls at the same rate (9.8m/s2) due to gravity.
Antoni Ip it's the backspin that's keeping the bb straight, not the speed
Been into airsofting for year but only ever learned so little. This video convinced me to go get a new barrel, hop up, n bucking. Results were phenominal thank you!
Nice, glad to help :) Those 3 combined are where 90% of 'performance' comes from, so you made a good choice!
Thank you! This was a great explanation! This really helped me out as someone who is just now getting back into airsoft and doesn’t have a clue!
Great video. I just started airsoft and my friends have been going on and on about how their hop up is ruined. Now I know what they're talking about.
Around 1:50 I’m pretty sure the backspin causes a “magnus effect” there are videos of the physics behind it. Correct me if I’m wrong.
No corrections necessary.
Dude. Stop being so hard on yourself. We're not here to get an art lesson. Your drawing was very easy to follow along and helped me tremendously. Thank you and keep em coming
So, basically it tries to make friction on the bbs to make the bbs spin and then improves the range of the bbs because of the spin. Somewhat a choke point of a bb, but can ruin its accuracy. Now it makes sense and very practical.
I am building a Airsoft gun with no knowledge and just with things I can buy from Obi (a hardwarestore in Austria) and I couldn’t get the BB‘s to feed, but thanks to you I finally know what I have to do (kind of)! Thank you for that! :3
I forgot to say, that the explanation was really detailed and just in general really good!
Love from Austria!
My son and I just ordered our first guns for backyard fun, but are thinking about trying out the sport. I play paintball, so if anything, this would be great in the colder half of the year when I don,t play. These are some great videos.
Almost died of old age when you were doing those circles :D Just draw the line instead, we can understand that. Otherwise very good and informative video.
Ondrej Unspecified was like 6 seconds
@@excellenceinanimation960 he has a short life span
@@blameusa7082 oof size: large
'A relatively quick look at the basics' = 11.5 minute video going into the detailed workings of a component.
"Relatively"
With me, that's quick! :P
I thought it was simple and well laid out, I never knew, now I do
God people are just so impatient now days. Imagine not understanding something and bitching over a 11 minute basic explanation.
@@Fo4assaultriflefan92 its a joke
I've been around airsoftguns my whole life, but I never actually knew how hop up works, except that it "spins" the bb somehow altering it's path. Thanks, I wouldn't have thought it's such a simple mechanism.
I know nothing about airsoft and saw on videos people talking about hop ups and wanted to know what it was. I looked at a few videos before your and they made no sense to me at all. Thanks for your vid , now I know what Hop Ups do and how they do it. Thanks.
I love the Magnus Affect and how its applied to shooting sports.
0:25 ahhh the fort at EAG dorking the source of much pain for me :D love this site
hehe, yeah :) It's a pretty painful but a fun area! Good spot :)
0:40 what the fuck
Great stuff, I'd love some more of this.
Try mackila.com/airsoft/atp/ . There are graphs, physics AND values were validated in real life conditions.
The MoSS
Very interesting read, thanks
This was extremely helpful man! Thanks a lot for your work. I'm new to airsoft and wasn't be able to wrap my head around the hop up mechanics!
You are welcome, glad to have helped :)
I love how much he tries to give the best explanation an visualization of the concept. Feel very genuine. Go forth this way, Mr. W.
Wanna give good info man and that means making sure people can understand what I mean too! Hopefully it worked :) Took a while to figure out how I was gonna do it and then longer to figure out how to record the damn thing heh
***** And we really feel that you tried your best, and we thank you for that =)
Also, the idea was good since even a blockhead like me understood what you explained.
Great info, we used to do this backspin in an even more generic way with our paintballs back when it was popular...once we got to sweating we'd wipe our forehead with a finger and rub it on the top inside of the exit end of our barrels . The moistness/skin oil would give a bit of top grip causing backspin.
Thank you for describing something so well. I'm personally not a major fan of airsoft, (i just didnt enjoy it personally) But i do love and enjoy my firearms, Ar-15 carbine and a Remington 870. I always wanted to know how airsoft guns worked and when i found out you had made a series on it i had to go check it out. I loved the way you illustrated it and made it simple to understand. Good job.
I have been playing for at least a year but for some reason I live watching these types of videos
I hit the like button just for how you wrote hop up at the beginning! Seriously, this was super helpful! Thanks man!
The mentioning of the “Magnus effect” would have made it educational (which I assume is the cause for the change of BB flight)
Pick up city on a gel blaster hit 30m and i could have hit a second floor sniper bit eradicate but if you got that set correctly 60m all off a sudden heavy 0.5 gel would help too .
Sry you said knurl when it was a chanfer a knurl is a series of indents onto a metal price like a a hammer handle or something to be gripped buy hands it’s like a crisscross pattern when a chanfer is like a edge cut off a sharp corner
Great video. If I only saw it 2 days earlier, before I started working on my non-adjustable sights of BB pistol. But the thing is, when you buy an airgun it doesn't say anywhere on the box about hop up system present. Anyway, thanks for the video.
Great video, I'm just starting airsoft looking to grab a kings arm P90 for my first gun I love the P90.
I have to say... the bb isn't spinning "against the gravity force"... is the friction with the air wich make it to "go up" instead of falling down right after leave the barrel...
Javier Romero you could make anything fly if you shoot it fast enough😊
But yea your right it works like a plane kinda
well i knew a lot of how the BB is supposed to fly but how the hop up actually functions this has been very informative, thanks!
Thanks for explaining that. I've just ordered my first Airsoft gun & was wondering anout hop up :)
That round button you called a bolt catch is the forward assist. And the handle on the rear is called the charging handle, just fyi.
As an airsoft beginner this was extremely helpful
Great explanation!
I never got how this actually worked, untill now. Thanks!
4:48 Its not a knurl its a chamfer (im a tool maker before everyone starts asking how I know)
I accidentally changed my hop up and adjusted my sights making my gun shoot where I wasn’t aiming and this helped, thak you very well explained
i really like these tutorials. i was planning on starting airsoft myself but im still 17 and in my country you have to be atleast 18 to do it. but that cant stop me from premptivily educating myself.
oh man, here u can shoot airgun while being 13and airsoft at any, too bad for u man...
Helpful video, but there's no way to just "spin against gravity". It's and aerodynamic phenomenon called the magnus effect, and it happens when a relatively round object rotates while moving through air or another fluid. It creates high/low pressure zones depending on which way/how fast it's rotating/moving through the fluid, and, if those created pressure zones are strong enough, can force the object against other forces at play, like gravity. To make my point a little more clear, if you somehow got an airsoft gun to shoot in a vacuum where there's no air (I guess you'd have to use a gas gun), the hop-up would do nothing to change the BB's trajectory. It would fly exactly the same as with no hop-up. It's not just the spin's "momentum", it's the spin's interaction with the air around it. The momentum you mentioned is simply angular momentum, or how much the BB wants to keep spinning despite friction with the air slowing its rate of spin, and angular momentum has no inherent effect on the trajectory of an object; only if it interacts with the fluid that the object is travelling through to create a magnus effect, off-center drag, lift like with a wing, etc.
A great help indeed. Especially as I'm buying a TM CZ61 with hop up problems (giveaway price!). I'll feed on your upgrade knowhow. Thank you
I never watch these kinds of videos, and as I got into airsoft guns and the joy of the sport, EVERYTHING IS SO INTERESTING!!! 😅😅😅
A very clear and well explaianed lesson on hop-uos looking forward to tomorrows airsoft game.
I really enjoy your few airsoft videos, perhaps the best airsoft airsoft guides/tutorials I've seen on UA-cam. I (and others) would really like it if you would make more. Even for players like me (Not brand new to Airsoft) your videos are informational and helpful. Keep up the great work!
Thanks sir! Feedback like that really makes me wanna break out the tools and record something new :)
Hey thank you for this! I've kinda come backwards into airsoft, opting to build my first rifle fully custom, and I'm at the point I'm ready to purchase my inner barrel and hop up. Understanding how they work will be a huge help for me once I get it!
Did u ever build it
@@BradFFA Oh yes! Between extra parts I bought, I had half a second one made by the time I finished the first so I went ahead and made a second too!
@@LaceCh that’s Awsome how do they shoot?
@@BradFFA They fire okay. Both could use a little more power but what they offer is already more that enough. The smaller M4 - despite the ironic name of "Problem Child" - has been surprisingly more reliable.
Detailed and easy for a simple guy like me. Much appreciated.
very helpful. im startng my first airsoft gun build. they are so much more complicated than real guns
Liked, subscribed and commented 👌🏻
I didn’t know what hop up was 10 mins ago.. now I know everything about it because of your video ha. Excellent video cheers
Thank you for the info I didn’t realize hop up was actually that important now I understand what it is.
Hello! I am new into this, as I am ''old'' in life! And this is amazing, but there is a lot to learn. Thnk you for the video! You should be a teacher, this in case you're not already!
I'm new to airsoft guns and trying to get all the information I can. Your videos are the best all around videos I've found keep up the great work!!!!
These videos were great. Really helped me gain an actual understanding of how AEGs work. I never understood the individual parts and upgrades but now that i've seen how the parts work in the gun it makes a lot of sense. Thanks!
Trying to get my rifle shooting consistently and this really helped understand what I was doing, and should be doing :)
really good to understand the hop up system, thanks
Nice illustration I didn’t really understand how the hop up practically worked but it’s very clear by your drawing and explanation thx!
Great. Video. I’ve been into airsoft for a couple of years now and want to do a custom build M16 Scarface as you can’t find them anymore.
Very clear and informative. I'm yet to start airsoft and am looking all over UA-cam for advice and guidance so I don't make some horrendous and expensive mistake. It's great to understand the mechanics rather than just see long range sniper shots, fisticuffs or watch cheaters. If anyone has good pointers for airsoft in the UK, specifically west country it would be appreciated
could you do a video on how to maybe seal hop ups better or upgrade them to have better performance than what came from the factory?
Really well described! I’ve played for a long time and just knew how to adjust one but not what it was doing to the bb. Makes sense!
Hope you make more videos like this one, about airsoft I’m going to a 3 days event next year in New Zealand because I leave in Australia I’m learning so much just by changing your videos
As you command sir! (aka, nice timing.. had one planned for release today) :)
THAT IS WHAT I CALL A GOOD EXPLANATION.......NEVER KNEW HOP UP WAS THAT INVOLVED!
Very cool, suuper helpful, thank you.
I want to build my own Airsoft Semi Automatic AEG in the style of a R-99 from the Game Apex Legends, i am going to either get, buy or make the 3D CAD files myself, then print it out in the proper dimesions to fit a gearbox snuggly and then design everything else like the mag etc around it to work flawlessly. It’s doable but I want it to be a super fast firing Semi Automatic since fullauto is not allowed in germany. 🇩🇪
I thought of using a 16:1 ratio, skim the gears perfectly, lube everything up, use a fitting aircylinder in the gearbox, a strong motor, saw one super strong in another video i watched on upgrades for umbrella arms airsoft weapons and of course i need a reliable hopup, the rest I will design as space is there, fitting everything inside the design of the weapon.
i wish i found your video sooner i bought a krytac trident 47 for about 480 euro and today i opened it for the first time, removed the rail outer barrel, inner barrel and dissembled the hop up unit, i also installed a 280mm 6.01 inner barrel with a 10 inch outer barrel i never took an airsoft gun apart before this and i think i did a good job it fires consistently and accurately bad news is the new inner barrel pushed the fps up by 35-40fps making it illegal to use in my country xD if i had of found yours videos when i took my gun apart i would have been a whole lot less nervous as i was dismantling the trident 47 along with an old lvoa so if i made a mistake it would have been an expensive one xD
best explain of hop up mechanics on the internet there is. Thanks very much!
@w4stedspace thanks for your guides on airsoft. I’m trying to get into it and these vids really simplify things (like hop-up adjustment) that seems scary to mess with. One video I’d really like to see you make is about batteries. I highly doubt all batteries are the same, but finding the right ones, plus compatible chargers for them, THAT would be super helpful too. Thanks for the guides! Keep it up!👍🏽
That's a great suggestion man, batteries are a bit of a dark art when looked at from the outside so sure there's plenty to talk about there, especially once you include chargers and lipo's etc into the mix. I'll see what I can do :)
Thanks. Helped me understand what actually controls hop up
Did I see a "Take Hart" Flashback there? :) made me smile!
and great video, good explanation of what hop up does thank you!
hehe, indeed :) Thank you sir!
Great video as I know nothing about this until now!
Mate a great vid got no idea what hop up was except that it is very important in airsoft guns. Thanks man for the information Great Vid
You're welcome :)
I’m still a little bit of a beginner still and this video really helped
Very interesting. Drawings so simple made it so clear cheers.
Very clear for someone who knows nothing about airsoft. Tho I wonder why is it not done like firearms? With grooves in the barrel to spin the projectile.
Thanks :) The rifling effect would need ammo shaped correctly, it works with bullets because of how they cut through the air, something a ball won't do. Technically they can make proper bullet shaped rounds for airsoft but it's only been done as an experitment because the cost of it is too much to ever make much sense.. making tiny little bullets that are precisely enough shaped to actually create the effect you want is expensive :) While they both work by spinning the ammo the purpose of the 2 is very different in the end, one is range and the other purely round stability and thus accuracy
Love the Tony Hart flash up. 😂
Thanks for the info. Really appreciate it. 👍
Got my respect for recognising Tony ;) Glad you found it useful!
You explained it in a way I could understand thank you
I just bought my first airsoft gun and have been sighting in my optic... this video has explained a lot about why I wasn’t hitting I adjusted my hop up and no it shoots much farther
thank you. im just getting interested in airsoft and your vids are very helpful. enough that i think you should make a playlist for them. i went through all your other vids to pick out the ones i wanted to watch but others may not
Added some info no one else has like the feet that hold the hop in makes the bb go up and down
Great information. I am just getting into these videos & I find them very interesting.
As a beginner airsofter this was an amazing video and explanation.
this is greatm really helpful.
ive not known what people meant by hopup before so didnt really tamper with it. This now gives mea better idea of what it does.
im getting my own rifle this week. going to give it a test drive down at my local range and fiddle around with the hop up a bit to see how it affects the shots!
Watched all your Airsoft vids so far, I've not even played one game yet and am looking at getting into it, your vids are brilliant and I feel like I've learnt so much already, keep up the good work, I've subscribed and look forward to future vids 👍
IT'S CALLED MAGNUS EFFECT (Physics!!) and is commonly seen in US Baseball Pitching
THANKS SO MUCH! This is why my 150ms ssg 69 p2 sniper had so bad range lol, ill adjust it right now thx
This helped big time. Wanting to get into airsoft so I'm trying to learn all I can. Great videos
was very clear. and i got the theory by only watching once. thanks
Just getting into airsoft. This was a very useful and helpful video. Thanks for making it. Cheers from Canada.
You're explanation and video was really good. Drawing stuff made a big difference.
Im a new guy at airsoft and i was wondering what the dial in my poseidon was. I have been messing with it with 2 days. Now i know not to mess with it until i have bbs to fire to determine how i should level it.
In gas and Co2 canisters there's a bit of silicone oil to maintain a guns' internals. Doesn't that lubricant, when it contacts, builds up, or coats and interacts with the hop-up, inhibit it functioning, as the oil lubricates and reduces the friction between the bb and the rubber surface of the hop-up?
Do you need to clean this off of the inside of the barrel and hop-up, occasionally?
If so, what with?
Great video! In my opinion, you did an assume job of explaining it (I'm just looking to get into airsoft). Thank👍
So, I'm sitting around researching hop-ups for a VSR-10. This video pops up in my feed. 30 seconds in, I realize I know this voice, 11 minutes in I realize I know this face and massive nostalgia sets in ^^ Hope you're doing well J.
Phille - Shadowsong.
Wow, yo man! How's it going? If u need any advice about the vsr then hit me up on Facebook/twitter or something, I have a pretty killer setup for my vsr now but went through a lot of mistakes to get there!
Good to hear from u again man :)
Super informative video! That English accent makes the video 10x better! Don’t ask me why but I just learn better with those accents.
“I’ll show you on my M4... This is not just here for candy.”
Oh but how sweet it was.
I knew your channel was familiar. Good thing we have similar hobbies.
I was explaining this to my parents and I decided that I just just look up a video instead, thanks you saved me about 700 words