woah. i tried yau5 a while ago, and quickly abandoned it because i did it the same way as yau4. you just opened my eyes, and i am currently very seriously considering switching to this now. thank you, chris
Awesome tutorial/overview, I wasn't aware of how yau 5 actually worked, and after the heartland championships I will be making the change from redux to yau.
You can solve the first 2 f2l pairs anywhere and if they are diag just do an L or R' (to put that pair into the back) then do last 4 edges Edit: nvm just watched the whole vid. My bad!
Interesting. I actually didn’t know about the last cross edge technique. From what I see, it seems that yau5 and redux seem equally effective for 5x5 - as you showed that the pros and cons really do go against each other. I think if you prefer systematic methods and can nail, yau is a better option. Well as if you prefer a more freestyle but more efficient approach, then redux is better. Personally I use redux, averaging around 55-56, primarily because I’ve trained myself on efficiency and look ahead from bigger cubes (where I think redux is definitely better). I do think yau is likely a better option for 3 and 4 solvers.
Form the start of my 5x5 speedcubing I have been using a different method which I call Yau 4, (2 centres, 3 edges, 4 centres, last cross edge, freeslice 4 edges, last 4 edges, 4 F2Ls, OLL PLL), and reduction on 6x6+, but after giving Yau 5 a try earlier this year, I found that last 4 edges was incredibly strong. It's easy to be efficient because you can almost always achieve 2 purposes with every slice-insert-slice back. Eventually I switched to Yau 5 from 5x5-9x9, and my averages dropped significantly. How I do Yau 5 is slightly different. (2 centres, 3 edges, 4 centres, last cross edge, freeslice 4 edges including 2 F2L edges, 2 F2Ls, last 4 edges, 2F2Ls, OLL PLL)
I'm regretting that I haven't switched until now but oh well. I'm still not that good and it's tempting to go back to reduction to start getting sub 1:20 again. But I think that's why so many people were hesitant to switch to the new method because why try something new when you already know that WR's (Or in my case sub 1:00's) are possible. Great overview of the method.
I actually came up with a similar method for 4x4, after I learned Yau4 I didn't like 3-2-3 edge pairing because you have to look at the back, so I solved the back F2L pairs and did edge pairing with front slots
Very interesting video! I use Hoya5 but I learnt a couple of useful tricks/new ways of solving that I didn't know about for edge pairing. Hopefully I can get sub1:10 soon thanks to that!
You can actually solve all the edges before doing f2l. Ciaran Beahan have some walkthrough solves with this method and he is the fastest. Also you can insert 3rd cross edge incorrectly, then do your centers and after that solve your last cross edge and insert it in the correct spot without messing up the centers. There are too many options!
Lev Maslov I've always solved my 3rd cross edge incorrectly. I find its way faster than solving it correctly. But I've been doing it for like 4-5 years. I definitely see why people do it correctly.
Yeah, people mention Ciaran a lot. From what I've heard, doing L4E his way is a lot more inefficient though. But right now it's just too early in the method to say which way is actually better. The incorrect cross edge is certainly another method, I just know that a lot of 4x4 solvers don't like that because of having more things to keep track of so I haven't tried it for 5x5. But who knows, maybe it's just because they aren't used to it. Lots of development still needs to happen. :)
Amanzing video :) Can you do a video for the edgepairing because I dont really get it. I know 3-2-3 on 4x4 but on 5x5 i'm really a noob :) (like 3:50min average..)
I purposely didn't do that to keep it simple. I'm saving stuff like that for future videos. There's a lot of stuff in here that I would have done differently if not for the sake of example. :)
Great video Chris! It's also very timely! Today I decided to get into 5x5 and try to get down to sub1:20. I've been 1:30-1:40 for a long time now and I just don't seem to be going anywhere fast with redux soon (pun somewhat intended). I'll be giving yau5 a try!
Used yau5 for a bit because i thought it was the same as yau4 so i abandoned it. Now using hoya on 5, it felt good and i practiced for a week and got pb. Looking at this, i wanna try switching back.
cardologist most people already know of this, but there is a lot of people saying it is less efficient, although I do the same at ciaran and I feel that it is both ergonomically better and more fluid, there might eventually be a point where this will be better. As of now the method is way to underdeveloped to know which is better
When you slice to pair an edge, the edge you put into replace the solved one needs to be correct for the other edge. I can't think of a great way to explain it in text. You're basically always solving 2 pieces instead of 1 at a time.
The specific algs are different, but the idea of combining centers and pairing edges remains. It's called the reduction method because you 'reduce' the cube to a 3x3, and the method applies infinitely for NxNxN cubes
How about the following method: solve centers and cross like shown in the video. For l8e, solve the wing edges like 3-2-3 on a 4x4. Then, solve the middle edges with another "3-2-3", but using the middle slice rather than Uw. Has anybody ever tried this?
When I got my first 4x4 I went straight to yau, no behinners. When I got my first 5x5 I didn't even look it up I just solved it like a 4x4, and I still haven't looked up a 5x5 tutorial. I just do opposite centers, then the 4 remaining centers (doing cross edges beforehand doesn't seem beneficial). After that I just solve the edges and then 3x3 stage. Is the way in the video more efficient than this?
Is there possible to do half Centers on 5x5 it is so hard for me to do Centers on normal way ( I avarage 42 on 4x4 with yau but I only use half centers)
Hey, nice tutorial! I've been enjoying trying this new method but I have a question, how do you handle the last edge parity? Because doing the algoritm to fix that kinda ruins they f2l you had already done, so do you or anyone else in the comments have a tip for this or maybe an alternative algoritm?
Just try to force it so that it's a yellow edge that had parity. Then you can do it after OLL. If it ends up being an F2L edge, you can do F or F' to put it in the U layer, do parity then undo the setup move.
I don't like doing it simply because I already usually see really good centres after the first three and solving the last one before last centre would break them up. If you don't know how to solve it after centres efficiently, then you probably aren't doing it right. If you didn't know already, you have to do inserts such as U R2 U' R2 and U' F' R' F R to insert the last cross edge if you do it after centres to preserve them (since you freeslice the last cross edge)
I got in an argument with my friend about freeslice vs. yau5, he said he’ll try one solve with yau and he’s embarrassed about how he said freeslice was better lmao Ofc freeslice is good too, but he now thinks yau is better
![Rubik's Cube: 6 Tips to Be Faster with the Yau Method! [Big Cubes]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/NO8bmSf7j4c/mqdefault.jpg)
Yay a tutorial! Missed these
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Lots coming in soon! I'm randomly motivated lately haha.
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woah. i tried yau5 a while ago, and quickly abandoned it because i did it the same way as yau4. you just opened my eyes, and i am currently very seriously considering switching to this now. thank you, chris
Awesome tutorial/overview, I wasn't aware of how yau 5 actually worked, and after the heartland championships I will be making the change from redux to yau.
This video is so freaking satisfying. The solves and turns are so smooth.
I will try to learn this method, as you make it look super easy
I got my first 5x5 today, I've learned beginners method and now I'm trying to learn this method
ikr last edge sucks
Yes! So glad you made this! Also, I finally managed to switch edge flip algs to yours, thanks!
Joshua Bloch wooo! That's the next video.
I know this is an old video, but you just converted me to Yau5. :) Thanks a lot for the crystal clear introduction!
You can solve the first 2 f2l pairs anywhere and if they are diag just do an L or R' (to put that pair into the back) then do last 4 edges
Edit: nvm just watched the whole vid. My bad!
Wait why can’t you that seems like it would make sense
Interesting. I actually didn’t know about the last cross edge technique.
From what I see, it seems that yau5 and redux seem equally effective for 5x5 - as you showed that the pros and cons really do go against each other. I think if you prefer systematic methods and can nail, yau is a better option. Well as if you prefer a more freestyle but more efficient approach, then redux is better. Personally I use redux, averaging around 55-56, primarily because I’ve trained myself on efficiency and look ahead from bigger cubes (where I think redux is definitely better). I do think yau is likely a better option for 3 and 4 solvers.
Jayden showed it off in his 4-7 wakthrough vid thats like half an hour, i find it best on 4x4
3?
Ryan Wu Like they do 3 & 4, so they use Yau. 3x3 obviously isn’t Yau.
@@jamesquinn728 can you give me the link for that video?
@@stevy2318 lol year old comment
watch?v=zXz-Nugo3i8
Form the start of my 5x5 speedcubing I have been using a different method which I call Yau 4, (2 centres, 3 edges, 4 centres, last cross edge, freeslice 4 edges, last 4 edges, 4 F2Ls, OLL PLL), and reduction on 6x6+, but after giving Yau 5 a try earlier this year, I found that last 4 edges was incredibly strong. It's easy to be efficient because you can almost always achieve 2 purposes with every slice-insert-slice back. Eventually I switched to Yau 5 from 5x5-9x9, and my averages dropped significantly. How I do Yau 5 is slightly different. (2 centres, 3 edges, 4 centres, last cross edge, freeslice 4 edges including 2 F2L edges, 2 F2Ls, last 4 edges, 2F2Ls, OLL PLL)
jesus your turning is so smooth lol you make me look like im on a vcube
I'm regretting that I haven't switched until now but oh well. I'm still not that good and it's tempting to go back to reduction to start getting sub 1:20 again. But I think that's why so many people were hesitant to switch to the new method because why try something new when you already know that WR's (Or in my case sub 1:00's) are possible. Great overview of the method.
Actually revolutionary.
Yesss you finally released this. I'm averaging like 1:10 with both yau5 and redux, hopefully I can improve a lot faster with yau
Interesting. I assumed it was just like Yau4 scaled up.
10:15 Feliks has had at least one 5-second 3x3 stage with redux (on one of his wrs)
Yeah but he's feliks
I actually came up with a similar method for 4x4, after I learned Yau4 I didn't like 3-2-3 edge pairing because you have to look at the back, so I solved the back F2L pairs and did edge pairing with front slots
Very interesting video! I use Hoya5 but I learnt a couple of useful tricks/new ways of solving that I didn't know about for edge pairing. Hopefully I can get sub1:10 soon thanks to that!
Awesome tutorial!! I usually use Redux, but I am considering switching!! Legitemenly the best/only good Yau5 tutorial.
You can actually solve all the edges before doing f2l. Ciaran Beahan have some walkthrough solves with this method and he is the fastest. Also you can insert 3rd cross edge incorrectly, then do your centers and after that solve your last cross edge and insert it in the correct spot without messing up the centers. There are too many options!
Lev Maslov I've always solved my 3rd cross edge incorrectly. I find its way faster than solving it correctly. But I've been doing it for like 4-5 years. I definitely see why people do it correctly.
Yeah, people mention Ciaran a lot. From what I've heard, doing L4E his way is a lot more inefficient though. But right now it's just too early in the method to say which way is actually better.
The incorrect cross edge is certainly another method, I just know that a lot of 4x4 solvers don't like that because of having more things to keep track of so I haven't tried it for 5x5. But who knows, maybe it's just because they aren't used to it. Lots of development still needs to happen. :)
U r the best cuber
Amanzing video :) Can you do a video for the edgepairing because I dont really get it. I know 3-2-3 on 4x4 but on 5x5 i'm really a noob :) (like 3:50min average..)
freeslice
TPS is lit in the solves!
Oh! Didnt know that Yau5 is so different. I tried to adapt Yau4 to 5 a while back which didnt really work out. Ill give it another try!
I've been using yau5 for the past few weeks and I can tell it's going to beat out reduction by a lot.
I personally think Reduction is still way better...
btw, what method does feliks use for 5x5
More videos from the legendary Chris Olsen
7:38 why didnt you solve the red/blue pair???
nothing wrong with diagonal pairs, it's literally a one move setup lol
I purposely didn't do that to keep it simple. I'm saving stuff like that for future videos. There's a lot of stuff in here that I would have done differently if not for the sake of example. :)
Great video Chris! It's also very timely! Today I decided to get into 5x5 and try to get down to sub1:20. I've been 1:30-1:40 for a long time now and I just don't seem to be going anywhere fast with redux soon (pun somewhat intended). I'll be giving yau5 a try!
I've been using yau 5 for a very long time now.
what do you mean by cycles?
Used yau5 for a bit because i thought it was the same as yau4 so i abandoned it. Now using hoya on 5, it felt good and i practiced for a week and got pb. Looking at this, i wanna try switching back.
Great video!!! Keep making great content.:)
So... why can't you just use regular Yau on a 5x5? What advantage does this have over it?
You can, but it's generally considered to be more efficient to do it this way. Many people just use normal Yau, but I'm not a fan.
note that ciaran and xuming don't do the 2 F2L pairs bit. Xuming is mid 50s and ciaran is low 50s. Just something to think about!
cardologist most people already know of this, but there is a lot of people saying it is less efficient, although I do the same at ciaran and I feel that it is both ergonomically better and more fluid, there might eventually be a point where this will be better. As of now the method is way to underdeveloped to know which is better
I don’t do yau five exactly I do a combination of yau 5 and reduction whilst solving 3 x 3 stage at the same time
This is such a great tutorial!!
What is the brand of that 5x5?
How do you keep all four cross edges intact while making the four centers? I can keep three of them intact, but I always break the 4th one.
What do you mean when you say solve the last 4 edges by using cycles? I don’t completely understand what you mean by using cycles.
When you slice to pair an edge, the edge you put into replace the solved one needs to be correct for the other edge.
I can't think of a great way to explain it in text. You're basically always solving 2 pieces instead of 1 at a time.
I am completely beginner on 5x5, and don't know what method to use, should I use Yau5 or Reduction?
Theo. Cube I’d say learn to solve with redux and then switch to Yau if you want to. Redux is easier to learn
Cool vid Chris, might try it out when I go for plat
Dang I taught yau 5 was same as yau4!!!BTW awesome tps 👍
Which cube?
What do u use to set up your 5*5?
Weight-5?
If u don't mind me asking, what cube did u use in the vid?
yau5 vs hoya5?
Can you apply 4x4 algs on a 5x5?
TonyTheAsian no
Depends. Which algs are you concerned about.
No, but the same logic applies, like for pairing up edges or making centers.
yep
The specific algs are different, but the idea of combining centers and pairing edges remains. It's called the reduction method because you 'reduce' the cube to a 3x3, and the method applies infinitely for NxNxN cubes
How about the following method: solve centers and cross like shown in the video. For l8e, solve the wing edges like 3-2-3 on a 4x4. Then, solve the middle edges with another "3-2-3", but using the middle slice rather than Uw.
Has anybody ever tried this?
When solving a 5x5 can you use 3_2_3 edge pairing like in a 4x4
Just brilliant bro
Thank you! This was very helpful!
Chris I love the logo on your 5x5 where did you get it? Great video!
From my girlfriend!
When I got my first 4x4 I went straight to yau, no behinners. When I got my first 5x5 I didn't even look it up I just solved it like a 4x4, and I still haven't looked up a 5x5 tutorial. I just do opposite centers, then the 4 remaining centers (doing cross edges beforehand doesn't seem beneficial). After that I just solve the edges and then 3x3 stage. Is the way in the video more efficient than this?
9:06
Is there possible to do half Centers on 5x5 it is so hard for me to do Centers on normal way ( I avarage 42 on 4x4 with yau but I only use half centers)
HardProo Cuber there isnt
nema
you can but I think its easier normal way (cao)
Noice. Finally have a good understanding of this
You are a king
Hey, nice tutorial! I've been enjoying trying this new method but I have a question, how do you handle the last edge parity? Because doing the algoritm to fix that kinda ruins they f2l you had already done, so do you or anyone else in the comments have a tip for this or maybe an alternative algoritm?
Just try to force it so that it's a yellow edge that had parity. Then you can do it after OLL. If it ends up being an F2L edge, you can do F or F' to put it in the U layer, do parity then undo the setup move.
cyotheking Thanks for the quick reply, really appreciate it! And yes, this doesn't ruin it, thanks!
Lit af TPS
Nice tutorial! What cube logo is that on your WuShuang?
Christian Kennedy 😂😂
Christian Kennedy I was about to write the same question
Christian Kennedy it's a sticker that he got from Sarah
For me it's just better to solve it normal like Yau on 4x4 as I am used to it. Does any 5x5 Yau solvers do the same?
People have different variations of yau5, but I would say that this is probably one of the more popular methods of doing it.
Cool video! I use ZZ on 5x5 with a similar concept :)
are you going to great lakes championship? is anyone else going?
Arjun Anand I hope I can!
cyotheking you replied!! I hope you come!
I use Hoya 5!
What about roux
what cube r using in this video??
Shihab Sahel cubicle wushuang M. I always try to put it in the description. :)
Which 2x2 would you recommend? (i am a beginner). Maybe wuxia or 249 v2, plz tell
Aayam Mathur Neither. Chuwen M or Chuwen.
cyotheking any particular reason for that?
Cyotheking is a 3-time world record holder in 2x2. He's a great person to ask.
Andrew Tyberg ikr. That is why I asked him
cyotheking fine then i will take the chuwen
Can u explain thoda slowly slowly
i watched the whole video its awesome but when i saw sub 1min solve at the end of the vid i was shocked because i cant solve a 4by4 in under 2 minutes
Nice tutorial chris
You don't need to always make the cross edge it is just one way of doing last cross edge
That's true, and something I thought about after creating this. But I personally think it is worse to do the cross edge after your centers.
Brandon Nunez i think im going to do the cross edge after just because its less i have to keep track of during my last 4 centers
Has Hoya ever piqued your interest?
Nope. I've seen it in use and I personally think it is inferior to Yau5.
cyotheking I see. Care to explain why?
Chris, what is that logo and where can I get one :)
Robot375 I was about to ask the same
I too think that it is an underused method. Will help me too much, and JPERM too. Thanks
Wow very nice 👌
this is great vid
Did you use this method for the 59 you got?
DSCubes yes he did
Yup!
Dude i need practice but yau5 is awesome
My favorite event is 17x17 OH
inSane no 17 of + bld (one foot)
Nice Video
Wait hold on, I thought only Jay uses that last cross edge technique and that it isn't common to do at all
its gud
Interesting. I feel like this is how I see most people approach it. Rob Yau does this as well.
I don't like doing it simply because I already usually see really good centres after the first three and solving the last one before last centre would break them up. If you don't know how to solve it after centres efficiently, then you probably aren't doing it right. If you didn't know already, you have to do inserts such as U R2 U' R2 and U' F' R' F R to insert the last cross edge if you do it after centres to preserve them (since you freeslice the last cross edge)
Yeah, I know how it works. I just haven't found I prefer it.
how long u been cubing??
Almost 10 years.
cyotheking you make the best quality cube videos,love them😊❤
Still using Redux
What is that cube
Cubicle WuShuang M
cyotheking is it better than the wuque M?
I Never Win Giveaways Sadly The Wuque is a 4x4, you can't compare it to a 5x5
gabriel garcés my mistake, I forgot this was a 5x5 video
I Never Win Giveaways Sadly 😂
I use Yau 5!!
I'm very bad in 5x5 hmm i will practice more
What’s that logo on your cube?
Just a sticker from my girlfriend.
Ya wee whee
Ew no Chris yau on 5x5 which means AVG edges or freeslice
What?
He looks like the bee in the bee movie
logo?
This also saved me from using redux
After nats :)
You said after heartland!
Whoops wrong comp. After heartland!
this is kinda... complicated
I'll try Yau 6 using this method
6:22
I got in an argument with my friend about freeslice vs. yau5, he said he’ll try one solve with yau and he’s embarrassed about how he said freeslice was better lmao
Ofc freeslice is good too, but he now thinks yau is better
how bout regular yau
good
Once I used yau5 then I switched to roux
Hoya5 > Yau5
Do learn both
Free slice is sueprior