Shopsmith Drive Hub Alignment: Bandsaw, Strip Sander, Jointer, Etc.
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- Опубліковано 22 кві 2024
- SHOP NOTES: How do you align your Shopsmith Special Purpose Tools to your Shopsmith headstock or "Smart Motor" if you happen to own a PowerPro? Weather we're talking about aligning a Shopsmith Scroll Saw, or 6" Belt Sander, or Bandsaw or Strip Sander or Jointer or even the 12" Planer, this video will help you set things straight. So let's talk about that.
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Much appreciated. I had noticed my bandsaw was out of alignment but wasn't sure how to fix it. Glad I came across this. One of my best UA-cam subs.
Glad it came in handy. Scott
I have been using several accessory units (bandsaw, jointer, belt sander, etc.) for many years, and this video shows that I have adjusted them in the most difficult/cumbersome way possible. This actually changes everything Scott. thanks.
Sorry to hear that, but now you know.
Handy tip I use when I did the bandsaw: A 2x4 will help lift it up and down, and is a good height that doesn't put it up too high to start.
Well, bless your heart, Scott. Thank you for teaching us on this important topic. One thing that I have found that works for me is to feel the drive and driven hubs when adjusting the alignment. It's easier for me than visually determining by itself.
That’s a very good suggestion, Mark. I agree that sometimes my sense of feel is more accurate than my sight. Scott
Very important video along with your others on Shopsmith alignment. These basics underlie the larger uses of a Shopsmith to work with wood. An improperly aligned machine diminishes all it's capabilities.
So true.
Scott, I like how you chose the lightest weight SPT's to demonstrate with. Smart move.
Yeah, would like to see you do a demo with my knock off Summit Shop 6 inch jointer.
I’m no fool!
I have two 6” Total Shop jointers and there is no way I would ever align them a second time!
Yeah, even band saws are a task getting the short eccentric tubes in position.
And yet another reason why I watch Scott. I have 2 510's that I am bringing back to life with lots of accessories, I was wondering why when I swapped attachments from one to the other why there was just a tiny bit of difference. Now I know.
I have been using the same coupler for over 40 years.
Amazing. My oldest one is only 37.
Good one Scott! There’s been many questions on the forums as of late. I second Chads cheap shot 😂
Got power to my shop (after 19 years), decided to lubricate and align the Mark V and all the accessories I inherited from my dad. He had the offset tubes in upside down. I went to correct this and remembered why he did it. The left hole inside the bandsaw body was drilled about a quarter inch out of line. Enough for the long part of the tube to not pass through. QA let one slip through in 1981, lol.
Wow, I’ve never seen that, but it sounds like he made a logical adaptation.
Ok guess I go turn my bandsaw tubes over. Tks scott
It happens. No shame.
Scott-Thanks for the very interesting review of the 10 ER and the early Mark V. The owners' manual for the jointer suggests the alignment process is a 2 person job-one to lift and hold the jointer and one to make adjustments and tighten the screws. If you have a strong back and hands you can struggle with it and get it done. I have tried to align the jointer (or bandsaw) by grabbing, lifting and aligning the 2 hubs in one hand, lifting and aligning the SPT with the other hand, then tightening one screw.(3 hands would be useful here.LOL). If I'm lucky and they are aligned then just tighten the 2nd screw; if not, loosen the screw and try again. I can usually get the bandsaw and bet sander right using this technique, but the jointer, being a lot heavier, is more of a challenge as one would expect. Recall that the coupler is an intentional weak link, intended to be sacrificed in the event of a sudden stop in the system. I have a coupler that got twisted(I forget what caused it) but no damage was done to the headstock or SPT. Thus home made couplers should be designed/used with caution, keeping this weak link concept in mind.
Thank you for another great informative video
Thanks for the compliment.
I like the solution they came up with. It's simple and solid. I can think of other ways the could've done it that would have been more fidgety and not as robust. BTW, nice outtakes.
I agree and thanks. I always debate if I should include them or not.
Great video! Thanks for comment about the alignment of the Power Station being different from the 510. That was a great tip regarding aligning the SPTs to the Power Station!
Glad it was helpful!
Great video and funny outtakes!
Glad you like them!
Thanks for another informative video. We own a jointer and a bandsaw. We always remove the tube from the bandsaw after use, but I think we will keep them mounted. Thanks again.
That’s interesting. Why do you remove them?
Scott, This video content is very coincidental in timing for me. Last week I needed to use the jointer so I took the bandsaw off and tried to put the jointer on. When I went to put the intermediate shaft on, I noticed it wasn’t aligned either vertically nor horizitaly. Believe me when I say that when it was last used and then put on my storage shelf, its was aligned. How this happened, I still have no idea. Luckily I still have the shop smith book and the pamplet that came with the jointer. It took a few minutes to figure out how to adjust the jointer for alignment (this video would have helped immensely) but after some fiddling I got it aligned. Hopefully it will stay that way in the stogarge shelf for next use….haha!
BTW, I’m not getting any younger (73) and that damned jointer has (for some odd reason) gotten a lot lot heaver! Did shopsmith or any other company make a good one that is at least half the weight and work just as well (please say yes)??
Any advise or recommendation would be appreciated. Like you I rather letting the shopsmith power head run the jointer instead of putting it on a power station stand, plus I don’y have the room for a standalone in my garage. (I’m the guy who lives on your way to the beach just down the road to the east in Durham).
Mine is getting heavier too! Must be the NC humidity. No, there hasn’t been a light jointer produced, though I designed one and proposed it to SS years ago. My advice would be to get a Power Station and leave the jointer on the Mark V full time.
Thankyou for this video. I’m not sure there are offset posts on my bandsaw or jointer but I will be looking. Very helpful indeed.
You are so welcome!
@@MyGrowthRings is there another solution for this alignment problem. My connection tubes are straight. I only see one style of eccentric tubes on the website and they don’t look right. I could always call Shopsmith for help. Thought I’d pick your brain first.
@@travisp32 What you want is the current stock posts. Take a look at the explodes view of the jointer in their site to find the correct part number.
@@MyGrowthRings got them on order. A set for the jointer and a set for the bandsaw. Bitchin!! Thanks again.
@@travisp32 Awesome!
Great. Thats how you align the lightest SPT that you can get, also get ready acces to the tubes. I had the same problem as @MRrwmac, don't know how things got out of whack on the jointer. I had to realign it with no help, yes, it is alot heavier now that I am 77 than it was when I bought it in 1990. (It can't be I'm older!) So all that being said, how about repeating this video with the jointer. Give us old farts some assistance with aligning the jointer single handed.
The jointer is a bear! Perhaps I’ll tackle it on the follow-up video.
Please!
Great video, thanks
Glad you liked it!
My Shopsmith bandsaw never leaves its position on the M5; it is driven with a old washing machine 1/3hp motor. Been using this setup for many years. Other accessories are stand alone and portable.
That’s an interesting approach. Do you ever use your M5 as a drill press?
@@MyGrowthRings yes. Both horizontal and vertical. Motor removes in seconds.
Paint! I see paint!
One feels that in 2024 a more modern coupling design could be deployed so that the precise alignment of the drive unit to the SPT is not required. Yes sunch motor couplings do exist as pretty standard off the shelf components.
I don’t disagree. The challenge for Shopsmith is that they pride themselves on making all innovation forward and backward compatible. I’m sure they could work it out. The current coupler is an improvement over the original, so they may think that they’ve just got that problem licked and have moved on. Scott.
Good video, Scott.
Thanks!
I Love the idea behind the coupling but the couplings should've been figured out by now by someone with a 3D printer to lower the price
if not by Shopsmith, then by someone else. it can't be that expensive to reproduce a break a way part in this day in age
I did a video on that topic, and had my son 3-D print me one. The problem is the way a 3-D printer will typically lay up the layers, it makes the coupling weak in its cross-section. Ironically, the original designed by Shopsmith is to act as a bit of a “fuse“, Allowing it to share if something were to suddenly stop the SPT. So far no one has cracked the code on how to print them so that they will break at the right time when needed. I’m sure someone will figure it out, and if they’re smart, it’ll be Shopsmith.
Yup
Great info, only noticed I have eccentric poles on my bandsaw because of this.
Excellent.
Hi Scott, I just learned about the shopsmith a couple days ago, and then stumbled on your channel as a result. I'm enjoying your content, and would love to get into the shopsmith world one day. How would you suggest I go about that? Have you made a video for a newbie trying to get into a shopsmith? If not, would you make a video on that? lol. I'm sure others would appreciate it too! I see you have a Mark 5, so would you suggest people get that, or go with the newer Mark 7?
Those are great questions, and you are right, the answer probably deserves a video. Let me think on it. Scott
Newbie: where are you located? If in Ohio "near" Columbus, or Cleveland, I might be able to help you. jim
@@jamespowell7196 thanks, no, I'm in NY.
You were talking about the drive coupler. You didn't mention the number of splines. 4 on the drive hub 5 on the driven. Hub. I bought (another used 510) that had the hubs reversed. The guy had to move the hub to each SPT. He even marked the coupler wrong.
I’ve seen that done too. It’s a little maddening if you are used to it being done the correct way.
Sawstop stock guide
Huh?
what is the difference between the 510 and the 520 in regards to the motor size. i have 510 and have basically changed it to a 520 with the tables and fence, double tilt accessory. .i still have the same head stock. i am sorry my question isn’t about the video
No difference. The difference is only the fence system. Same base, headstock, carriage and table, just different fence and rails. Scott
@@MyGrowthRings ok thank you Scott. enjoy your show very much
Do you find that the centerline of the head stock changes when you tighten it?
Not on this Mark V, but yes, I’ve seen it on some. It may be a result of the locking mechanism being bent. That’s my guess anyway. Scott
It does change on my Mark 5. I notice it when squaring the table to the sanding disk and it's a do over if the headstock is not tighten down. Also be sure the table is locked as well. Seems to me Scott may have mentioned it at one time but I heard it somewhere.
@@dwightl5863 Oh, you mean the headstock lock. Absolutely it matters. That and the carriage lock, as you mentioned. Sorry, I misunderstood your question.
@@dwightl5863 Check out this video, which may answer your question: ua-cam.com/video/tSpYlXFoJ10/v-deo.htmlsi=L2rwgsVjlTT09S62