Jim Cornette on Wrestling Ring Sizes & The Biggest Ring He's Ever Seen
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I'd love to see a picture of that 30x30 ring he's talking about.
Same here I got to see that
Go watch a Boxing Show. Most of their rings are 30x30
The rings used in the UK are absurdly small- they look like something children would play in
Matthew Singh-Dosanjh yup, but that is also from tradition if you look back at footage from the 70s the rings were tiny which looked super weird when big guys like Haystacks and Big Daddy were in the ring together. I think the main reason for the small rings was so they could fit on any building they visited as there wasn't major arenas back in the day here so used ballrooms and Civic centers so a larger ring wouldn't always fit.
what size were they?? Do you know? just curious
He forgot to mention the sweet spot which is the middle of the ring. The bigger the ring the larger the sweet spot is (where it has more give when taking your bump; ie; less chance of getting injured). A ring that's 20x20 has a sweet spot of 15x15, an 18x18 ring has 12x12, that TNA crap ring has a sweet spot, if you can call it that, of 5x5x5. You learned something new today kids.
Platinum Swords I really did learn something new today. Thanks dude that’s pretty cool
Who you calling a kid? Back when you were still a tadpole, swimming in your daddy’s nutsack, I was in high school… kissing your momma and then making her cry. Woooo!
Seen some old Lucha show in Mexico from the early 90s with Rey and Juvi wrestling in what literally had to have been a 30x30 foot ring
That is absolutely nuts. That is huge!
The women would definitely benefit from a smaller ring
It takes Alexa 2 minutes to go corner to corner
The Olympic Auditorium had a huge ring with an apron large enough to sleep two. It was used by boxing as well as wrestling. The ropes also were boxing ropes with the bottom room thicker than than the middle and top. Those wear scaled exponentially. I thought that it looked cooler.
I've read that the St Louis ring was an old boxing ring that was 22'x22' and had a mat about as thick as cheap pile carpeting on top of cement slab.
One of the annoying things about smaller rings is when there are multiple big guys in there. I recall seeing the NWA Power Hour show that was originally on Friday nights taped at one of the smaller Georgia gyms or halls. There was a cage match between the Road Warriors and the Samoan Swat Team. Four huge guys in what looked like an elevator. Especially with the camera man inside the ropes. Hawk doing his shoulder tackle off the top rope seemed to travel the entire diameter to the ring, almost hitting his head on the turn buckles. It looked rinky dink.
Don't forget ECW ring was also 18x18 as well
I was trained in a 20x20 and now work in a smaller ring, and the difference is crazy. Just doing rolls for warm up your placement takes a lot of adjusting
I was always amazed the actual ropes never broke when Undertaker would do "old school" and walk down the ropes, always watched how much they sagged with his 300lbs walking them, amazing they never snapped on live TV or PPV and he didn't get hurt.
One thing I can tell you as a tree climber, and 16 years dealing with ropes, and things like stretch, shock load, and overall strength of ropes, that that old school triple braid ropes which are now obsolete in my industry, are some of the strongest tensile, and lease stretch retention ropes in history of ropes.
A "1" inch triple braid rope in my industry is rated for almost 30,000 lbs of strength.
Rule of thumb is shock load retention is rated for 5-10% of rated strength, which means if I tie that rope around a huge amount of weight and drop it off a building, it's should be able to retain 5-10 % of its weighted rate, which means that rope could survive between 1500, to 3000 lbs of force no matter what application it's used for.
If undertaker weighed 300lbs, he's barely exceeding 1-2% of its strength. Even if he bounces, he would barely exceed double or triple his weight based upon tensile strength.
The welds or turnbuckle were more likely to fail, which is why you've probably never seen a rope snap in the middle.
Also the braided loops at each end still provide 75% of that strength-
Which means the giant and the undertaker combined shouldn't ever be able to break a rope, no matter the inertia or speed of which their 800lbs combined could ever achieve in a wrestling match.
Hope this helps understand rope strength.
@@marcgillen2249 that's some interesting facts. I kno pretty much every other organization uses airplane cables inside of gardn hose. I have a friend that still wrestles independent circuit and has done enhancement talent for WWE and is the stunt double in HEELZ for the "Wild Bill" character and he just made a recent post about the ropes and how one broke during a match and luckily no one was injured
@@stufrankie8332 so I can only go by my knowledge of ropes...and its part of my everyday life when I rig trees up. Nowadays we use what's called "stable braided" ropes, which means there's an outer shell of braids and a core, which consists of between 8, 12,16, and 32 braids. 32 usually has close to zero to 1% stretch, while lower braided ropes stretch more, usually because the elasticity allows less shock to the climber in the tree. So of I'm up a 100ft tree and I hang the top 25" of tree, let's pretend it's a pine tree...that stretch reduces the forces that I feel, and allows some cushion, which allows me to not get thrown from the tree from a vicious shock load. It's like a pillow to the base of the tree, and the climber that's 75' up there.
As far as rope failure goes, we are usually taught to get rid of rigging ropes after a couple years tops.
So if the ring rope is ten years old, it's wayyyy beyond its time, and the fibers will slowly wear down after every load they're given.
So imagine an under budgeted company uses the same ropes year after year, all those factors get tossed out a window.
All I can say is that a rope as thick as WWE, which appears to be an inch( the measurements are assessed under a load of weight, which is why their ropes appear to be closer to 2 Inches thick or something....will definitely degrade with moisture, traveling in the heat, probably a hot tractor trailer, etc....would fail.
We toss our shit out usually after a year.
These guys are cheap fucks, without knowledge of ropes.
I would love to see footage of a failure, so I can give a better assessment of what went wrong.
It's a very interesting topic you brought up. I appreciate your reply. 100%
Also, as far as I can talk about cable- I hang off the ball of cranes every other day- and the 1 inch cable on our lehbehr crane, which is a 40 ton crane, can intact lift 90% of its rated weight at 5-10 degrees on a 127 foot boom. Which means the cable can Infact lift 35 or more tons of weight without breaking.
That's 70,000 lbs lol !!!
I love my job :)
Why did old rings like the ICW road ring and Harey Races old ring that I saw when i visited his arena, have like a ladder on the posts? No modern rings have that.
Japanese rings are damn near solid lol I've always liked the wcw ring.
sadetwizelve WCW had the cool logo-related theme on the canvas.
Yeah, I mean they can dress it up for any event, but the ring always remains the same (ropes notwithstanding). It was fun to see a big, stylized FALL BRAWL logo in the dead center, reminding you why you were watching.
Halloween Havoc, yeah! I talked my father in law into buying that and I will also admit enjoying the Chamber of Horrors match. The talent mix alone was bizarre. I forgot about the two rings, but even seeing Spring Stampede pasted dead center was fun. Another concept they did (just not very well) was the odd pairings of tag teams. You'd get heel and face vs heel heel, etc. What was that called? They did it twice, I believe.
Lethal Lottery! That's what I was thinking. Good concept, so-so execution. And yeah, they had an interesting atmosphere, something coming down a long ramp, etc. The Clash of the Champions were fun for free TV. Little PPV's without paying.
Cant forget about the sweet advertising of the 90s either, made it seem more legit with the corporate sponsors on the mat. 10-10-321 and crap like that, when everyone wanted to be apart of wrestling and weren't worried about being pc
FWIW a lot of WWE talent who've worked elsewhere have said they prefer the actual ropes. I have to wonder if Jim's opinion has something to do with the fact that he was a manager who wasn't taking bumps off the ropes every night.
@Sasqautch Kesseler yeah cable accelerated those clotheslines, it looked so cool. The Legion Of Doom: The Road Warriors use to launch those massive clotheslines too.
30 feet by 30 feet, that's nine hundred square feet. Damn.
Does any one know which podcast or know a link where JC was talking about the ring that was on a truck that broke down? Not got time to listen all way through.
What were the dimensions of the 6 sided ring? Weren’t they 8’ each side? 7’ maybe?
I love the Corn
I can listen to this kinda stuff for hours.
Lance storm tells a story that back when he was working in Canada, He was doing this run called the “death tour” and the promoter had someone custom build him a 10’ x 10’ ring so he could run shows in nightclubs and bars
I love hearing jim he doesnt kiss ass and tell us the truth.
Jerry Jarrett couldn't figure out that 50 guys wouldn't fit in a ring at one time?
He could, that's why he had a bigger one made. 🙄
20x20 is two extra feet that really messes with your timing
The ring above the ring at wrestemania.
I love the small wrestling rings my most favorite wrestling is the hexagonal wrestling ring 👍🏽
I'm not sure the size but some of the rings used in FMW in Japan for the multi man street fights seemed HUGE. And Toryumon Japan seemed to use a rather small ring for some of their smaller shows.
Rando1975 Pretty much every ring in Japan is 20x20 feet (or 6m x 6m), except Dragon Gate's small Dragon Gate Arena ring, which is like, 14x14, or something like that, and Ice Ribbon's, which is either the same size, or a 16x16 - probably the former.
What about the 6 sided ring like TNA used to use ?
6 sides sucks trust me
Cornette doesnt even mention it cause its just stooopid
Diego Martínez Paz looks cool tho :/
@@Diego-es9yb im pretty sure you're right about why Cornette left that out.
I saw 16 ft 18 ft 20 ft include 12 ft bad ring
I've been watching some of the old Houston matches, and those ropes look like the ropes they use to line up a waiting area. So soft looking, and huge guys like Ernie Ladd and Andre bouncing off of them, I'd be shocked if they didn't break often.
I came up in an 18x18 ring. That, to me, is perfect. Three steps rope-to-rope and five steps corner-to-corner. I hated boxing rings because they didn't bump worth a shit and the top rope was WAY too high. In a ring with proper ropes I could go out over the top just like Flair and it was up to me whether I landed on my feet or bumped all crazy on the concrete.
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I liked wcw rings 18 x 18 I believe with actual cables not ropes...the women look to small in wwe rings
They are small
That's because they are small
Mick Foley lost one of his ears because of a WCW ring.
Everyone uses elevator cables, but not WWE
AWA didn't. I think memephis at times would use real rope too.
Gahl Blah ok sorry, let me rephrase, since 1996
British promotions also use rope, not steel cable.
Everyone should be using real ropes like WWE. Elevator cables are just wrong. Mick Foley lost one of his ears because WCW used Elevator Cables in their rings
@@raymonderrity1419 Technically that's not how he lost his ear. By that logic, many other wrestlers should've lost their ears by now.