Anything in wrestling is better than wrestling lately.. although I say that, I haven't watched since about 2004, it could've had a golden age resurgence for all I know.
@@stevelowe2647 You missed a few great years notably the later half of the Ruthless Aggression Era which took place between 2002-2008. The Universe Era was decent but got really stale around between the mid 2010s. The current era of wrestling is complete garbage so you didn't miss much aside from several more great years.
The thing that makes me saddest is when Jim dies,nobody will ever be this passionate about Pro Wrestling ever again. Just based on his historical knowledge,entry into the business and career, his love for it is comprised of experiences and ppl that will never exist again.
I was thinking in the same stuff the other day and was sad, guys like shawn michaels, the undertaker, mysterio, kurt angle, Dutch mantell, Paul Heyman, corny There never will be another generation of talent and lovers of the business like that golden age, but to be fair, the wrestling business will never be like it used to be either Corny said it better, the business is dead and when they are gone it will be dead an forgotten.
I’m late and only 9 minutes in but he’s not 100% correct. There’s a reason Vince pushed “sports entertainment” so strongly as opposed to “professional wrestling.” It’s a show. You don’t have to think it’s real to be entertained. That’s like asking actors why they make movies since everyone knows they’re fake lol. The problem is the product isn’t as entertaining anymore. Whether that has to do with the cultural zeitgeist, the over analyzation of the product, the creative behind the product, etc is up for debate. But the issue isn’t that the business has been exposed. That’s a very ancient way of looking at things.
@@guwopman3503thinking of "the business is exposed" as the same as "people know it's a work" is a faulty way of seeing it, and it's exactly why people like YOU don't understand what Jim is saying. YOU are the only one who is wrong here. Everyone knows it's a work. Just like everyone knows Movies didn't really happen that way... But "exposing the business" doesn't mean letting people know the winners are chosen, or that it's entertainment. "Exposing the business" means when you allow every random person to think they can be part of it. When you start letting every single person look into the ingredients and you cheapen the entire effect of the effort of wrestlers. Look at Magicians... No one EVER thought stage magic was actual magic. They know it's a trick. But is every magician running around giving out their secrets to any asshole who asks? No. Because of that mentality, we end up with garbage like AEW and Deathmatch backyard nonsense. You may wanna get a little more insight into the business before you start trying to pretend you know more than Jim Cornette, that's pretty embarrassing for you.
The modern wrestling crowd is comprised of critics. Not fans. A fan is someone emotionally invested in an outcome (they hate one side and like the other). A critic, on the other hand, watches to judge the performances and applaud or chant for the best performer even if that's the character they're supposed to boo. So you have an audience comprised largely of ppl who are there to judge the show rather than enjoy it.
It's just the day and times we live in. With the internet, everyone has access to everything and everyone has a voice. We're only now realizing that not everyone needs a public voice. It turned everyone into a bunch of keyboard warrior, ungrateful, impossible to please, narcissistic, assholes and one aunt Carol that comments "Jesus Loves You" on every post. This is why I've stayed off of the internet in a communication sense. I can comment here and never see it again, but past that, I don't have to argue about bullshit with shitty people for no gain.
@@travismcdonald6576 I'm sure they'll still GET TV deals as long as Vince is there. He's long switched to working TV execs. But going from 4 million in 2015 to 1.5-2 million in 2020, it makes you wonder how few people will be watching in 2026.
@@jesuszamora6949 The reason they got bland and lazy is because of lack of competition. They were the top dogs for like 20 years and no one could challenge them. Now that AEW is a thing and fans are leaving WWE for AEW, as well as the fucking wrestlers, WWE is being pressured to produce a better program and if they don't, AEW is likely more than happy to provide.
@@Transporter_Not_Statham Now the question becomes whether the company can keep getting TV. TV people have been brainwashed into thinking that ONLY Vince can do this for so long, what happens without the Dear Leader?
Coeny got me back into it many years ago when he launched his podcasts. Been a loyal listener ever since. I have listened to every Deive Thru and Experience since 2014
And that's the huge problem in of itself. People will bitch and whine nonstop about the product but as long as the money keeps rolling in, nothing about the product is going to change. At least with the Monday night wars you had the option of switching the channel. And there was no DVR back then so you really had to pick a side (or do what my Brother did and switch every five minutes, but that gets old really fast).
Best ran of all time! I would rather listen to James E. Corvette RIP on wrestling than watch the garbage! Thanks for telling it like it is Mr. Cornette!
It's not her voice(which is soothing), it's that to me she forces herself into the conversation instead of just flowing naturally, like Jim and Brian Last do right now. And when I listen to her, I wonder what's her connection to Cornette, or wrestling in the first place.
@@josephlascola6592Even worse in 2021. WWE might be having a hugely profitable year, they’ve figured out how to capitalize on the product better than ever. But the wrestling business in terms of popularity is down.
In ECW, the Philly fans hijacking the show was what was part of what made it great. They actually shouted out names for Shane Douglas during his legendary throwing down the NWA belt speech. The "you fucked up" chants never got old.
Same here. I spent $6000 and barely graduated wrestling school just as WCW and ECW shut down. Being 5'9" and 215lbs I knew there was nowhere to go at that point and I wasn't going to destroy my body for $30/night on the Indy's just to brag I was a "pro wrestler."
I kind of relate pro wrestling to stage magic. I knew pro wrestling was a work when I was like 10 or so. But I also knew stage magic was a work as well. Make me believe. Honestly I think the vast majority of people knew that wrestling was not truly real. People cannot be dropped on their heads. When I get punched in the face it swells, when I punch someone my hands get damaged. But an overwhelming personality can make me forget all about that shit.
Back in the 90's Monday night was family wrestling night. It would be the first hour of WCW Monday NITRO and then it was flip back and forth between Raw is Raw and Nitro (depending on main event of each show) I remember the one time ROH came to Charleston, WV and it was an amazing show and Impact/TNA when it was a house of fire held house shows in Huntington and they put on a terrific show back then.
These modern wrestlers irritate TF out of me because they dont have to sell ppvs,have logical matches,cut authentic promos,drive up the roads,get ppl to watch the show...literally everything is given and planned out for them yet they wanna talk shit on Vince or Undertaker or Goldberg who’s only even having to do this because they cant draw a rating or a dime. They’re all such whiny,entitled,spoiled little marks.
Or we just enjoy sports entertainment and don't care about the fake fighting aspect. Btw nothing on the planet earth is more pathetic than a Juggalo. Clowns are stupid and rap is is awful so mixing the two is as bad as it gets.
Nintendo Psycho Nah old man dick is not really my thing. I just find it funny how bitter some people can be over something they clearly have no interest in.
I have to disagree with Jim. People have always known it was fake. All you have to do is watch it to realise. Back in the attitude era people knew it was fake. But WWE did it's best numbers because of the PERSONALITIES. The reason why WWE doesn't draw now isn't because people know it's not real. It's because IT FUCKING SUCKS.
There's still some talent, and to be fair, if they're chanting "CM Punk!", he's a modern day wrestler with talent that they want to see. There's very few talented wrestlers left, but there are some.
@@dbcrambo1473 Not sure of the specifics, but I do know Corney is an atheist, and he likes to crap on religion and anyone who believes in God, when the topic comes up.
WWE sucks bottom line. I’m surprised anyone can even watch that garbage anymore. I literally have tried very hard to watch it but never last more than 5 minutes. I’ve been watching wcw Saturday night on the network again 😀
yeah WWE is just like a bunch random crap flashing before your eyes. AEW is a total mess right now though. Its like they have a bloated roster and thinking everyone is gonna be the rock or stone cold steve austin. Iv seen house cats that are tougher then darby allin. Championships are totally irrelevant. Wrestling in general in down the toilet.
Here we are in 2020, my daughter loved WWE back in the early 00's when she was really young and even she's done with it. She doesnt even recognize most of the names anymore.
New names isn't the problem , that's wrestling. The problem is they can't make stars with those people so why care. They just hit the red ; Brock, Rock, Cena button in emergency anyways for the last 10 years
@@Phaze718 Just about. The people OP's daughter loved were stars. Wrestlers today are interchangeable. The age of Cena was the FINAL age of watchable wrestling with people you give a fuck about.
The biggest issue with Alice is that she hates wrestling but she had to talk about it. She has said as much in her rant on working on Jim's podcast. Consequently, it made it hard for her to provide any new insight when she could not care enough to do the bare minimum of research on the subject. I hope she is happier doing other thing but she was not doing anybody any favors working with Jim.
I don't understand why people can't watch wrestling like watching a movie. We know the actors in the movie aren't really the characters they are playing but we still get involved in the story and enjoy it. People watch soap operas and know they aren't real but still get involved in the stories. I use to see wrestling on tv when I was a kid and I could see then it wasn't real. I can't understand how adults could think it was real. I'm not a follower of wrestling just a casual viewer so maybe I don't understand why it's different.
I think wrestling fans don’t care it’s fake they just want good stories that suspend their disbelief just like a movie or a tv show, but the problem is the stories aren’t good anymore.
Because the writing today is fucking terrible. Is it that difficult to understand? It has nothing to do with whether it's real or not. Everyone knows it isn't real but if the story being told (whether in the ring or through promos) is hard to follow, stupid, corny, boring, etc. then people aren't going to want to watch it. And wrestling has been all those things for a long time now. That's why people like Corny who fell in love with the business and grew up in it are so annoyed with the product today. Wrestlers used to have charisma and were often given interesting stories to tell. They also knew how to tell interesting stories through the actual matches with what they were doing. It allowed your imagination to take over a little bit so you could enjoy it.
Cos when you watch a movie, you're supposed to be quiet. Wrestling is designed to invoke a loud, natural reaction from a crowd, which is harder to do when the fact that it's fake has been drilled into you
Back in the days Cornett is referring to, there was no writing, just an idea, send 'em out to do the angle and see what happens out there on live tv. Now that's 'writing' wrestling.
I had a buddy a old wrestling teammate of mine. He was 8-0 in mma and a former all American wrestler who had a regional belt and was doing good back in 2007. I would tell him Daily if he started cutting wrestling like promos he could be a huge star in mma. He didn’t listen and about 10 years later here comes Connor cutting pro wrestling like promos and Bam he became the biggest star in mma
I mean I guess you could say Tito Ortiz started it, but he can barely string a sentence together with 10 minutes of prep time, so I would say it was Chael.
Personally, I think Vince could bring back the territories and have it set up like the NFL, you know, WWE NORTH, WWE SOUTH like that and have a territorial champ,
I don't think it will, but wrestling absolutely COULD come back like the way Jim says it was. People are subconsciously itching for something like it. Not just diehard wrestling fans either.
Thank god Alice is off the show. All she did was interrupt Jim at every turn and besides that was never a wrestling fan. I don't know why Jim had her as a co host. My guess is that he needed someone to bounce off of or whatever. Brian Last is a better fit as a co host.
This is precisely the truth about WWE. Too many "fans" of the WWE are already pandered to as it is. However.. if Vince hadn't stole so much from so many others.. the "fans" wouldn't be so smart.
It’s past loyalty isn’t it quite clearly.. people who grew up and were loyal fans during good times.. it’s like a sports fan with a season ticket... they go no matter what because they always have and it’s a part of who they are
too bad ufc is turning into sports entertainment with the crap that conor mcgregor does. he literally gets arrested on purpose to avoid defending the 2 belts that he is the champion of.
@@SAM-ru4vx McGregor also massively boosted interest in the UFC and his shenanigans sells a shit ton of tickets. UFC's biggest problem is the rampant push to have their fighters self promote, and the only way a fighter can shamelessly self promote is to smack talk and hope they can back it up. Controversy sells.
@@ChristopherJames1993 Then you don't remember his stint in UFC too well. Brock had his fair share on controversial moments as well, whether it was smack talking Mir then acting like he was reeling him in like a fish after their second fight or other in ring shenanigans like acting like he was riding a bull on top of another fighter, or nearly losing UFC their beer sponsorship at the time by saying screw that beer I'm gonna do drink another beer (cant remember the brands) then go home and get on my wife lmao. He had his moments that sold tickets too man.
@@ChristopherJames1993 Then then whole return with Mark Hunt where he was, clearly, on the juice and UFC let him fight anyway to sell tickets. He definitely had some controversy to help sell and UFC/Dana White was perfectly willing to let it slide, minus the beer sponsorship kerfuffle because that moment has basically been erased from UFC records.
wwe was near my hometown on Friday. the floor seats were $100.00 non televised event. I overheard a guy saying that floor seats for tv are $500.00 to $1,000 that's nuts.
At this point I wouldn't pay 10.0000 pesos to see raw, let alone $1000 dollars for one seat. I read somewhere that ringside seats (first ten rows) for wrestlemania go for between $5/15.000 a piece depending on the venue. I bought 4 tenth row floor seats to see AC/DC a couple of years ago and that cost me about $650 for a four hour show including two opening acts and AC/DC.
My first thought was that Jimmy should get a job with UFC to assist the competitors with their promos and trash-talking, but then I realized that the wwe basically does that with their "talent" now and those promos sound so scripted and horrible. I don't think you can make someone into a good talker; it has to be something they are born with.
Not necessarily. Just give them bullet points, not word for word promos. Austin wasnt a great talker till Heyman gave him some tips on how to channel his anger into promos. The over scripted shit sucks but if you allow a guy to talk & give him bullet points he can improve. Some just wont be able to do it but some will thrive.
Blame it on social media and all the Pro wrestling news outlets who always complain about wwe and praise indy. Fans begin to think they know it all and should decide the matches.
Jim cornette said that the fans hijack the shows because they're smart to wrestling, fans became smart to wrestling in 1986 (thanks in part to David Schultz), and they weren't hijacking shows back then, why did they wait 30 years to start hijacking shows, and this chick has a seductive voice
Jalapeño Popper I started watching in 1985 as a 6 year old. I fell in love right off the bat. Now fast forward two years later. My parents used to get home delivery of the Detroit News. Now, I had never seen the John Stossel Dr. D incident. So one day, I'm reading through the sports pages and in the back, I found a column detailing results of house shows and the writer also included events that haven't happened yet. That was how I figured out what was up. In fact, the Detroit News report, which came out every other friday, was how I found out Owen Hart was the Blue Blazer. Even knowing that and future results, it still didn't deter me from enjoying wrestling.
Look also for us who grew up in the 80s , 90s with the gimmicks and the attitude era and even then there were gimmicks just not as corny as the 80s . But this reality era is dumb . They are trying to be up there with MMA and make it seem really real . I'm sorry there top guys now Roman, KO , that yes no guy with the shaggy look Bryant or what ever his name is . They cant stand next to Austin, rock , taker , warrior , savage , early Hogan, hart , HBK and so on . Fuck the PC bullshit and take it back to the attitude era and stop forcing this outta shape , small , tiny , no personality having , cant talk , avg Joe guy .... that's another reason why its failing... and the things cornette said
@@robertt9342 I'm fairly certain my voting preference is no danger to our Democracy, and that our Republic will endure even with me ONLY voting for Republicans. Also, I'm not sure where you live, but as I said before I'm a New Yorker and I live in Queens. Right now NYC is a city on the precipice, just like many other big cities that have been traditionally governed by a super-majority of Democrat politicians. The last time I can remember New York City being a decent place to live was when Rudy Giuliani, a Republican was mayor. So we'll have to agree to disagree on politics, because I haven't seen one single good thing come from Democrat leadership on my local level. It's so bad that I bought a second home in the Poconos, Pennsylvania just so I can vote for the President there. I know my vote for the POTUS in New York doesn't count for shit, so I got a nice place in the mountains far away from the city in a battleground state where my vote actually matters. I can't wait till I have enough money that I can retire there and leave New York permanently!
What's worse are the people who pay however much for front row mania tickets just to make goofy fake reaction faces to try getting noticed by the camera crew.
I love her comparison of a magic show. You talk about UFC and I could add boxing of the days of Tyson, Sugar Ray etc, think about Why does NASCAR go over vs F1? PERSONALITY
It isn't professional wrestling. It has evolved to "choreography gymnastics competitive entertainment". Professional wrestling in the terms jim talks of, doesnt exist no more. Its over.
Brian Last is soooo much better. He's actually a lifelong fan, unlike Alice who probably would sit on Google for a couple hours prior to these recordings to try and seem somewhat knowledgeable.
I haven’t been to a live wrestling event since 2001. I still watch Raw & Smackdown hoping things will get better. Most Monday’s & Tuesday’s I turn it off after 30 minutes to an hour. In the last year I’ve watched a whole episode of Raw once or twice & a whole episode of Smackdown 3 to 4 times.
Hate watching. That's been the WWE fan base pissing and moaning for the last 18 years! The "I'm done with the WWE" group who have nothing going on in their lives, and get pissed off at every ppv, but tune in to Raw the following night and keep dragging on through life because they have nothing else to fill the void! I called it quits on the modern product in 2009. There is plenty enough pro wrestling material from the previous 30 years to watch.
When ALL the people who witnessed the Attitude Era, and ALL of their children who were TOLD about the Attitude Era, eventually die: wrestling will also die.
As someone from the northeast, I grew up with WWF. I consider myself a wrestling fan. I will always consider myself a wrestling fan What WWE barfs out these days is NOT wrestling. They (along with Bitchoff and Shitstain) have jaded me enough that I can't even be bothered to find ROH or any of the far superior promotions
The Wrestling business sucks because nobody is growing up or going out wanting to be a professional wrestler anymore. I did not know until recently that WWE is going out and soliciting ppl to be wrestlers? What in the entire fuck. The moment you have to go find ppl that you then you then have to entice into being wrestlers is phony. 90% of the guys previously WANTED to be wrestlers(except maybe Lugar,Warrior,Sable,etc) but point is you cant make an athlete and it shows.I stopped watching Wrestling when WCW died and not even because I was a WCW fan or anything but the Vince doesnt age his product with its fans,it stays juvenile. Im 30 and just now only getting back into it because of the network.
I’ve always said wrestling is an ill man kneeling at the edge of a mass grave awaking the coup de grace to the back of the head from someone who can’t stand to see it in suffering
Jim Cornette's pure rage, born out of a pure love for the wrestling business, enriches my soul.
His rage is 100% visible to the naked human eye and it's fucking beautiful.
I listen to at least one video of him a day....for strength
Amen.
@@lillagahnavich7700 ahah listening to Jim while smoking weed is pure entertainment too 😂
Damn so true hahahaha
Cornette is a living, breathing, walking, talking 24/7 promo.
Especially now. His podcast is the best thing going in the wrestling world.
Anything in wrestling is better than wrestling lately.. although I say that, I haven't watched since about 2004, it could've had a golden age resurgence for all I know.
@@stevelowe2647 You missed a few great years notably the later half of the Ruthless Aggression Era which took place between 2002-2008. The Universe Era was decent but got really stale around between the mid 2010s. The current era of wrestling is complete garbage so you didn't miss much aside from several more great years.
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The thing that makes me saddest is when Jim dies,nobody will ever be this passionate about Pro Wrestling ever again. Just based on his historical knowledge,entry into the business and career, his love for it is comprised of experiences and ppl that will never exist again.
When Jim dies, no one will have this passion for wrestling. When Brian dies, no one will even remember what pro wrestling was.
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Cringe
He died it good thing for humanity
I was thinking in the same stuff the other day and was sad, guys like shawn michaels, the undertaker, mysterio, kurt angle, Dutch mantell, Paul Heyman, corny
There never will be another generation of talent and lovers of the business like that golden age, but to be fair, the wrestling business will never be like it used to be either
Corny said it better, the business is dead and when they are gone it will be dead an forgotten.
Jim Cornette is 100% correct.
What's new?
@@j.3o21 Nothin.
I’m late and only 9 minutes in but he’s not 100% correct. There’s a reason Vince pushed “sports entertainment” so strongly as opposed to “professional wrestling.” It’s a show. You don’t have to think it’s real to be entertained. That’s like asking actors why they make movies since everyone knows they’re fake lol. The problem is the product isn’t as entertaining anymore. Whether that has to do with the cultural zeitgeist, the over analyzation of the product, the creative behind the product, etc is up for debate. But the issue isn’t that the business has been exposed. That’s a very ancient way of looking at things.
As always
@@guwopman3503thinking of "the business is exposed" as the same as "people know it's a work" is a faulty way of seeing it, and it's exactly why people like YOU don't understand what Jim is saying.
YOU are the only one who is wrong here.
Everyone knows it's a work. Just like everyone knows Movies didn't really happen that way...
But "exposing the business" doesn't mean letting people know the winners are chosen, or that it's entertainment.
"Exposing the business" means when you allow every random person to think they can be part of it. When you start letting every single person look into the ingredients and you cheapen the entire effect of the effort of wrestlers.
Look at Magicians... No one EVER thought stage magic was actual magic. They know it's a trick. But is every magician running around giving out their secrets to any asshole who asks? No.
Because of that mentality, we end up with garbage like AEW and Deathmatch backyard nonsense.
You may wanna get a little more insight into the business before you start trying to pretend you know more than Jim Cornette, that's pretty embarrassing for you.
The modern wrestling crowd is comprised of critics. Not fans. A fan is someone emotionally invested in an outcome (they hate one side and like the other). A critic, on the other hand, watches to judge the performances and applaud or chant for the best performer even if that's the character they're supposed to boo. So you have an audience comprised largely of ppl who are there to judge the show rather than enjoy it.
@Goblin GangGaming and The Invisible Man
it's sad how true you two are. ; (
How right you are. On another note, loved your match vs Cheech and Chong.
It's just the day and times we live in. With the internet, everyone has access to everything and everyone has a voice. We're only now realizing that not everyone needs a public voice. It turned everyone into a bunch of keyboard warrior, ungrateful, impossible to please, narcissistic, assholes and one aunt Carol that comments "Jesus Loves You" on every post. This is why I've stayed off of the internet in a communication sense. I can comment here and never see it again, but past that, I don't have to argue about bullshit with shitty people for no gain.
also, the shows are enjoyable & should be criticized
There would be less critics and more fans if the product was better.
I could literally listen to this guy ramble for hours...
I do.
Me too. Every night I put on a classic Corny podcast & fall asleep listening to genius.
Alice should host one of those late night soft rock shows.
she sure has the voice for it.
@@JohnBlack2345 are you guys ready to soft rock!
If she did it it'd be hard rock.
As long as she doesn't have a co-host to interrupt at every junction, I'd be down for it
Kind of remind me of Deliliah
Not a wrestling fan, but I love listening to Jim Cornette.
4 million people watched RAW in 2015... it’s like 1.5 now. This was just 6 years ago.
What happens six years from NOW?
@@travismcdonald6576 I'm sure they'll still GET TV deals as long as Vince is there. He's long switched to working TV execs. But going from 4 million in 2015 to 1.5-2 million in 2020, it makes you wonder how few people will be watching in 2026.
@@jesuszamora6949 The reason they got bland and lazy is because of lack of competition. They were the top dogs for like 20 years and no one could challenge them. Now that AEW is a thing and fans are leaving WWE for AEW, as well as the fucking wrestlers, WWE is being pressured to produce a better program and if they don't, AEW is likely more than happy to provide.
@@jesuszamora6949 ....aaaaand Vince is now gone.
@@Transporter_Not_Statham Now the question becomes whether the company can keep getting TV. TV people have been brainwashed into thinking that ONLY Vince can do this for so long, what happens without the Dear Leader?
Jim Cornette has drawn me back into wrestling. This guy knows his stuff and I learn more everyday from him about the business
Same here
Same here.
same here
Coeny got me back into it many years ago when he launched his podcasts. Been a loyal listener ever since. I have listened to every Deive Thru and Experience since 2014
I have to agree with Alice on this one. People watch WWE to hate it, especially now.
But are they cummin from the hate watching, is the question. Lol
And that's the huge problem in of itself. People will bitch and whine nonstop about the product but as long as the money keeps rolling in, nothing about the product is going to change. At least with the Monday night wars you had the option of switching the channel. And there was no DVR back then so you really had to pick a side (or do what my Brother did and switch every five minutes, but that gets old really fast).
but, they should, 'cause WWE sucks
@@Sarah_Gravydog316 Sarah I’m deeply in love with you.
@@wilfreddellschau2557 everyone should be as smart as you are!
Hated him as manager, but gosh damn. This guy knows his shit. Kudos to you Mr. Cornette.
Best ran of all time! I would rather listen to James E. Corvette RIP on wrestling than watch the garbage! Thanks for telling it like it is Mr. Cornette!
I dont mind Alice voice. Its very soothing.
True.
I fucking LOVE her voice,it contrasts Jim’s perfectly.
I've fallen In love with her voice a little . Doesn't make me a rapist so back off brother.
The woman TALKED TOO DAMN MUCH and didn't know when to STFU
It's not her voice(which is soothing), it's that to me she forces herself into the conversation instead of just flowing naturally, like Jim and Brian Last do right now. And when I listen to her, I wonder what's her connection to Cornette, or wrestling in the first place.
Vintage Alice Radley!! She definitely has a voice for late night radio!!
Love Alice's voice and Jim's spot on rants!!
Never saw her , but that's a sexy voice
@@therealnickynurotic8930 she sounds like a man
@@selfishstockton6123 a very sexy man it seems
@@sheryarahmed6331 Alice was the OP 🤷
Alice is a goddess
Here we are in 2019. And Jim was right. It's gotten worse, we've lost the good stuff.
From the future, 2020, you have no idea what's going to happen
@@josephlascola6592Even worse in 2021. WWE might be having a hugely profitable year, they’ve figured out how to capitalize on the product better than ever. But the wrestling business in terms of popularity is down.
@@josephlascola6592 damn lmao so true hahahaha
wait until 2022 happens.... hoo boy 🤯
2023 checking in from the future and I'm here to tell ya.....
In ECW, the Philly fans hijacking the show was what was part of what made it great. They actually shouted out names for Shane Douglas during his legendary throwing down the NWA belt speech. The "you fucked up" chants never got old.
Never forget the chair throwing incident. Always glorious to watch.
I wanted to be a pro wrestler when I was a kid. I would've come in when things got bad...
Same, dodged a bullet.
I'm still gonna train to be a wrestler.
Do not do it son. At least not to work in shows but for yourself.
Same here. I spent $6000 and barely graduated wrestling school just as WCW and ECW shut down. Being 5'9" and 215lbs I knew there was nowhere to go at that point and I wasn't going to destroy my body for $30/night on the Indy's just to brag I was a "pro wrestler."
Boy am I glad Brian Last does the show with Jim now.
Modern wrestling is dead in the USA but still strong In Mexico and Japan because they love pro wrestling regardless of what people think.
I kind of relate pro wrestling to stage magic. I knew pro wrestling was a work when I was like 10 or so. But I also knew stage magic was a work as well. Make me believe. Honestly I think the vast majority of people knew that wrestling was not truly real. People cannot be dropped on their heads. When I get punched in the face it swells, when I punch someone my hands get damaged. But an overwhelming personality can make me forget all about that shit.
Back in the 90's Monday night was family wrestling night. It would be the first hour of WCW Monday NITRO and then it was flip back and forth between Raw is Raw and Nitro (depending on main event of each show) I remember the one time ROH came to Charleston, WV and it was an amazing show and Impact/TNA when it was a house of fire held house shows in Huntington and they put on a terrific show back then.
These modern wrestlers irritate TF out of me because they dont have to sell ppvs,have logical matches,cut authentic promos,drive up the roads,get ppl to watch the show...literally everything is given and planned out for them yet they wanna talk shit on Vince or Undertaker or Goldberg who’s only even having to do this because they cant draw a rating or a dime. They’re all such whiny,entitled,spoiled little marks.
Cornette hit the ufc prediction perfectly
Yeah but do UFC guys have angles or personal issues with each other and do promos?
If fanboys would close their wallets for a year, they'd kill WWE once and for all.
Nintendo Juggalo some of those Fanboys are probably paid by Vince McMahon and Company
Or we just enjoy sports entertainment and don't care about the fake fighting aspect. Btw nothing on the planet earth is more pathetic than a Juggalo. Clowns are stupid and rap is is awful so mixing the two is as bad as it gets.
It'll never happen because these marks have battered housewife syndrome.
Did Pat Patterson touch u up or something and that's what ur so mad at Vince?
Nintendo Psycho Nah old man dick is not really my thing. I just find it funny how bitter some people can be over something they clearly have no interest in.
The moves in today's wrestling are more impressive, but that component, that something special is missing.
That's why Vince started the wwe network for. He knows it not going to last long and he still have money coming in.
I have to disagree with Jim. People have always known it was fake. All you have to do is watch it to realise. Back in the attitude era people knew it was fake. But WWE did it's best numbers because of the PERSONALITIES. The reason why WWE doesn't draw now isn't because people know it's not real. It's because IT FUCKING SUCKS.
Slam john cena and literally SEE him scoot into position
23:03 start there listen very very carefully for about 7 seconds. GARUNTEE LAUGH!
There's still some talent, and to be fair, if they're chanting "CM Punk!", he's a modern day wrestler with talent that they want to see. There's very few talented wrestlers left, but there are some.
The woman doing the interview is my kind of woman. She’s funny and casual as shit with it.
I thought it was Aubrey at first but it’s obviously a super chill and relaxed individual.
But she interrupts Jim too much.
She is gorgeous too
Whatever happened to Alice?
I’d like to have her with Jim on one show and Last with him on the other
They had a falling out over Jim’s comments on Muslims.
@@cjaquilino elaborate?
@@dbcrambo1473 Not sure of the specifics, but I do know Corney is an atheist, and he likes to crap on religion and anyone who believes in God, when the topic comes up.
@@DeathBringer769 Guess he Is of the few liberal atheists to say the Truth on islam.
She was a nutcase.
WWE sucks bottom line. I’m surprised anyone can even watch that garbage anymore. I literally have tried very hard to watch it but never last more than 5 minutes. I’ve been watching wcw Saturday night on the network again 😀
Jason Voorhees agreed, when I try to watch it I’m like how the fuck did it get from where it was to whatever the fuck this is now, boggles my mind.
yeah WWE is just like a bunch random crap flashing before your eyes. AEW is a total mess right now though. Its like they have a bloated roster and thinking everyone is gonna be the rock or stone cold steve austin. Iv seen house cats that are tougher then darby allin. Championships are totally irrelevant. Wrestling in general in down the toilet.
I miss kayfabe and the difference between heels and babyfaces.
That’s a big problem, kayfabe is dead and the characters have no personality!!!!!
Here we are in 2020, my daughter loved WWE back in the early 00's when she was really young and even she's done with it. She doesnt even recognize most of the names anymore.
New names isn't the problem , that's wrestling. The problem is they can't make stars with those people so why care. They just hit the red ; Brock, Rock, Cena button in emergency anyways for the last 10 years
@@Phaze718 Just about. The people OP's daughter loved were stars. Wrestlers today are interchangeable. The age of Cena was the FINAL age of watchable wrestling with people you give a fuck about.
@@jesuszamora6949 aew or wwe?
@@Phaze718 Yes.
It ain’t coming back!
#truth
The biggest issue with Alice is that she hates wrestling but she had to talk about it. She has said as much in her rant on working on Jim's podcast. Consequently, it made it hard for her to provide any new insight when she could not care enough to do the bare minimum of research on the subject. I hope she is happier doing other thing but she was not doing anybody any favors working with Jim.
Nordath1 I'll take her over the other guy Jim has on there. He's the drizzling shits.
@@cptnmrgnkid Brian is fucking smart
Alice is a goddess
I don't understand why people can't watch wrestling like watching a movie. We know the actors in the movie aren't really the characters they are playing but we still get involved in the story and enjoy it. People watch soap operas and know they aren't real but still get involved in the stories. I use to see wrestling on tv when I was a kid and I could see then it wasn't real. I can't understand how adults could think it was real. I'm not a follower of wrestling just a casual viewer so maybe I don't understand why it's different.
Truer words were never said. Yes you are right, some people are so into it that it probably does seem real to them. Thank you for your reply.
I think wrestling fans don’t care it’s fake they just want good stories that suspend their disbelief just like a movie or a tv show, but the problem is the stories aren’t good anymore.
Because the writing today is fucking terrible. Is it that difficult to understand? It has nothing to do with whether it's real or not. Everyone knows it isn't real but if the story being told (whether in the ring or through promos) is hard to follow, stupid, corny, boring, etc. then people aren't going to want to watch it. And wrestling has been all those things for a long time now. That's why people like Corny who fell in love with the business and grew up in it are so annoyed with the product today. Wrestlers used to have charisma and were often given interesting stories to tell. They also knew how to tell interesting stories through the actual matches with what they were doing. It allowed your imagination to take over a little bit so you could enjoy it.
Cos when you watch a movie, you're supposed to be quiet. Wrestling is designed to invoke a loud, natural reaction from a crowd, which is harder to do when the fact that it's fake has been drilled into you
Back in the days Cornett is referring to, there was no writing, just an idea, send 'em out to do the angle and see what happens out there on live tv. Now that's 'writing' wrestling.
I had a buddy a old wrestling teammate of mine. He was 8-0 in mma and a former all American wrestler who had a regional belt and was doing good back in 2007. I would tell him Daily if he started cutting wrestling like promos he could be a huge star in mma. He didn’t listen and about 10 years later here comes Connor cutting pro wrestling like promos and Bam he became the biggest star in mma
Yea one thing MMA lacked was charisma... Now UFC encourages trash talk and even sets up mini storylines... Now it's huge...
Conor didn't start the trash talk in MMA, that would be Chael Sonnen. Sonnen did it better too.
I mean I guess you could say Tito Ortiz started it, but he can barely string a sentence together with 10 minutes of prep time, so I would say it was Chael.
Somehow Cornettes negativity is inspirational, suppose it's cause he knows his shit
This rant is perfect.
Yeap it’s dead and clearly sucks today what’s left of it. God I’m so thankful for growing up in the 70s and 80s.
I used to watch regularly 20 years ago, now, never watch.
It was fun while it lasted folks
Personally, I think Vince could bring back the territories and have it set up like the NFL, you know, WWE NORTH, WWE SOUTH like that and have a territorial champ,
I don't think it will, but wrestling absolutely COULD come back like the way Jim says it was. People are subconsciously itching for something like it. Not just diehard wrestling fans either.
Thank god Alice is off the show. All she did was interrupt Jim at every turn and besides that was never a wrestling fan. I don't know why Jim had her as a co host. My guess is that he needed someone to bounce off of or whatever. Brian Last is a better fit as a co host.
She's got aids
This is precisely the truth about WWE. Too many "fans" of the WWE are already pandered to as it is. However.. if Vince hadn't stole so much from so many others.. the "fans" wouldn't be so smart.
Thank god for the great Brian Last.
They just aren’t over anymore 🤷♂️
I think its funny when fans at a WWE show that they paid to go to chanting AEW. It's ironic
And AEW is a overrated indie show
@@aaronperezsomarriba8504 agreed
This needs to be updated for 2021, of course the video would be 3 hours
JIM CORNETTE IS RIGHT ITS OVER AND IT WILL NEVER COME BACK THANKS FOR YHE MEMORIES
I'm possible the only one who actually likes Alice...
Also, Jim makes too much sense.
Nah. Alice is cool.
Darkmoon Gaming Glad to see I'm not the Only one!
I actually like Alice too. To me she is cool but that's just me
Hate watching is a real thing.
So Corny likes some Earth,Wind & Fire?
Who doesn’t?
Wats full name of Alice??
Alice Radley IIRC.
@@jesuszamora6949 thanks
23:07-23:37possibly the greatest thing I’ve ever heard 🤣
It’s past loyalty isn’t it quite clearly.. people who grew up and were loyal fans during good times.. it’s like a sports fan with a season ticket... they go no matter what because they always have and it’s a part of who they are
My 1st experience w a Corny podcast came w Alice as his co-host. As much as I like Brian & find him hilarious I miss hearing her sometimes.
I think the Internet, mainly Social Media, has also ruined the business and made people "smarks"
So basically he said move to MMA
too bad ufc is turning into sports entertainment with the crap that conor mcgregor does. he literally gets arrested on purpose to avoid defending the 2 belts that he is the champion of.
@@SAM-ru4vx McGregor also massively boosted interest in the UFC and his shenanigans sells a shit ton of tickets. UFC's biggest problem is the rampant push to have their fighters self promote, and the only way a fighter can shamelessly self promote is to smack talk and hope they can back it up. Controversy sells.
@@TrippyTheShroom mate, Brock sold a lot of tickets for UFC without being a twat about it.
@@ChristopherJames1993 Then you don't remember his stint in UFC too well. Brock had his fair share on controversial moments as well, whether it was smack talking Mir then acting like he was reeling him in like a fish after their second fight or other in ring shenanigans like acting like he was riding a bull on top of another fighter, or nearly losing UFC their beer sponsorship at the time by saying screw that beer I'm gonna do drink another beer (cant remember the brands) then go home and get on my wife lmao. He had his moments that sold tickets too man.
@@ChristopherJames1993 Then then whole return with Mark Hunt where he was, clearly, on the juice and UFC let him fight anyway to sell tickets. He definitely had some controversy to help sell and UFC/Dana White was perfectly willing to let it slide, minus the beer sponsorship kerfuffle because that moment has basically been erased from UFC records.
wwe was near my hometown on Friday. the floor seats were $100.00 non televised event. I overheard a guy saying that floor seats for tv are $500.00 to $1,000 that's nuts.
At this point I wouldn't pay 10.0000 pesos to see raw, let alone $1000 dollars for one seat.
I read somewhere that ringside seats (first ten rows) for wrestlemania go for between $5/15.000 a piece depending on the venue.
I bought 4 tenth row floor seats to see AC/DC a couple of years ago and that cost me about $650 for a four hour show including two opening acts and AC/DC.
My first thought was that Jimmy should get a job with UFC to assist the competitors with their promos and trash-talking, but then I realized that the wwe basically does that with their "talent" now and those promos sound so scripted and horrible. I don't think you can make someone into a good talker; it has to be something they are born with.
Not necessarily. Just give them bullet points, not word for word promos. Austin wasnt a great talker till Heyman gave him some tips on how to channel his anger into promos. The over scripted shit sucks but if you allow a guy to talk & give him bullet points he can improve. Some just wont be able to do it but some will thrive.
Blame it on social media and all the Pro wrestling news outlets who always complain about wwe and praise indy. Fans begin to think they know it all and should decide the matches.
You know my mom used to work to Sinclair so im gonna have her send this to Greg lmao
I actually dislike the the BS trash talking in UFC. It makes MMA seem fake.
I am a die hard wrestling fan then. I watch my home videos on DVD all the time.
Jim cornette said that the fans hijack the shows because they're smart to wrestling, fans became smart to wrestling in 1986 (thanks in part to David Schultz), and they weren't hijacking shows back then, why did they wait 30 years to start hijacking shows, and this chick has a seductive voice
Jalapeño Popper I started watching in 1985 as a 6 year old. I fell in love right off the bat. Now fast forward two years later. My parents used to get home delivery of the Detroit News. Now, I had never seen the John Stossel Dr. D incident. So one day, I'm reading through the sports pages and in the back, I found a column detailing results of house shows and the writer also included events that haven't happened yet. That was how I figured out what was up. In fact, the Detroit News report, which came out every other friday, was how I found out Owen Hart was the Blue Blazer. Even knowing that and future results, it still didn't deter me from enjoying wrestling.
Look also for us who grew up in the 80s , 90s with the gimmicks and the attitude era and even then there were gimmicks just not as corny as the 80s . But this reality era is dumb . They are trying to be up there with MMA and make it seem really real . I'm sorry there top guys now Roman, KO , that yes no guy with the shaggy look Bryant or what ever his name is . They cant stand next to Austin, rock , taker , warrior , savage , early Hogan, hart , HBK and so on . Fuck the PC bullshit and take it back to the attitude era and stop forcing this outta shape , small , tiny , no personality having , cant talk , avg Joe guy .... that's another reason why its failing... and the things cornette said
815revanes . The writers with an Attitude era style would be just as bad, and possibly even more cringy.
As an Italian, New Yorker that votes only for Republicans I gotta say I LOVE Jim Cornette.
ONLY... Who needs a working Democracy
@@robertt9342 I'm fairly certain my voting preference is no danger to our Democracy, and that our Republic will endure even with me ONLY voting for Republicans.
Also, I'm not sure where you live, but as I said before I'm a New Yorker and I live in Queens. Right now NYC is a city on the precipice, just like many other big cities that have been traditionally governed by a super-majority of Democrat politicians. The last time I can remember New York City being a decent place to live was when Rudy Giuliani, a Republican was mayor.
So we'll have to agree to disagree on politics, because I haven't seen one single good thing come from Democrat leadership on my local level. It's so bad that I bought a second home in the Poconos, Pennsylvania just so I can vote for the President there. I know my vote for the POTUS in New York doesn't count for shit, so I got a nice place in the mountains far away from the city in a battleground state where my vote actually matters. I can't wait till I have enough money that I can retire there and leave New York permanently!
"at least when you hate fuck something, you come..."
Dude. 😭😭🤣🤣🤣
She ain't wrong. Why hate watch a bad show? Just to be angry and bitch about it?
I was not expecting such language from someone with her voice.
@@InfiniCalendar Alice is awesome, she is sexy
What's worse are the people who pay however much for front row mania tickets just to make goofy fake reaction faces to try getting noticed by the camera crew.
It’s sad really 🤣🤣💀
Oh hey, Alice is back!
Is it just me, or did Alice always sound half-asleep when she was a part of the show?
Wrestlings back baby!
9:30-9:45 Jim Cornette I can't believe you predicted our future and now here we are in 2023 😮
"Except for the divas matches, I find it disrespectful"
Damn. Can't win for losing.
I love her comparison of a magic show. You talk about UFC and I could add boxing of the days of Tyson, Sugar Ray etc, think about Why does NASCAR go over vs F1? PERSONALITY
It isn't professional wrestling.
It has evolved to "choreography gymnastics competitive entertainment".
Professional wrestling in the terms jim talks of, doesnt exist no more. Its over.
Love jim but sooooo happy Alice isn't on the show anymore
Brian Last is soooo much better. He's actually a lifelong fan, unlike Alice who probably would sit on Google for a couple hours prior to these recordings to try and seem somewhat knowledgeable.
I haven’t been to a live wrestling event since 2001. I still watch Raw & Smackdown hoping things will get better. Most Monday’s & Tuesday’s I turn it off after 30 minutes to an hour. In the last year I’ve watched a whole episode of Raw once or twice & a whole episode of Smackdown 3 to 4 times.
If it wasn’t for the MCU, professional wrestling would be dead. Just think about it
Elaborate on this, I would love to hear your opinion on thisb
2022 and I’m sure his list of things wrong have only gotten longer and his rants louder.
i come back to this shit literally every 6 months just to laugh 😹
Damn its weird that jims mic quality is better than it is currently
2001 was the last time i watched wrestling when ecw ended i stopped watching
When they tried to push Justin Credible? Everyone hated on that
i think pro wrestling will rise again.
A-E-DUB
How about the south are they coming back too
Wrong
Lol nah.
Same can be said for the music industry. It's pretty much a travesty at this point.
Hate watching. That's been the WWE fan base pissing and moaning for the last 18 years!
The "I'm done with the WWE" group who have nothing going on in their lives, and get pissed off at every ppv, but tune in to Raw the following night and keep dragging on through life because they have nothing else to fill the void!
I called it quits on the modern product in 2009. There is plenty enough pro wrestling material from the previous 30 years to watch.
There's so much to get into. Wrestling, MMA, movies, books, gaming... Why does anyone care about modern wrestling? Literally anything is better.
Lmao😂😂😂 I stopped dead when i heard her say PWG. I knew it was coming
Brian is a way better co host
When ALL the people who witnessed the Attitude Era, and ALL of their children who were TOLD about the Attitude Era, eventually die: wrestling will also die.
As someone from the northeast, I grew up with WWF. I consider myself a wrestling fan. I will always consider myself a wrestling fan
What WWE barfs out these days is NOT wrestling. They (along with Bitchoff and Shitstain) have jaded me enough that I can't even be bothered to find ROH or any of the far superior promotions
Hilarity ensues listening to Alice say fuck it up
Since wrestling is dead you should bury it and give it its proper eulogy
Jim cornette you are absolutely correct I argue with friends all the time who subscribe to the wwe network!
The Wrestling business sucks because nobody is growing up or going out wanting to be a professional wrestler anymore. I did not know until recently that WWE is going out and soliciting ppl to be wrestlers? What in the entire fuck. The moment you have to go find ppl that you then you then have to entice into being wrestlers is phony. 90% of the guys previously WANTED to be wrestlers(except maybe Lugar,Warrior,Sable,etc) but point is you cant make an athlete and it shows.I stopped watching Wrestling when WCW died and not even because I was a WCW fan or anything but the Vince doesnt age his product with its fans,it stays juvenile. Im 30 and just now only getting back into it because of the network.
So many Alice hate'rs, she's not as knowledgeable at all as Brian but she brought a different style to the show like she was being taught as well
All I'm reading is love for Alice. Haven't seen one yet against her.
I’ve always said wrestling is an ill man kneeling at the edge of a mass grave awaking the coup de grace to the back of the head from someone who can’t stand to see it in suffering