Jim Cornette Explains What An Outlaw Show Is
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- Опубліковано 17 лис 2017
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“If he was a full grown man it woulda killed him” LMFAOOOO
“Janella, somebody” 😆 Before he was Jelly Nutella!
The first janela rant this belongs in the Cornette history books
@Joshua Sharwood get off Cornys sledgehammer, Josephina
There are so many. Any way you can help a man out and point me in the right direction. I've tried looking by date, but again, there are so many lol. Thanks in advance my friend!!
Is this jelly Nutella or whoever he mentions?
@@fernandod3510 Yes
"I hope they get hepatitis and rot from the inside out."
Jim channeling his inner New Jack here.
Jim and new Jack have retaught me that my Mr nice guy doesn't always need to be flamming out
R.I.P
I'll tell the truth, I didn't know what an outlaw show was either, but I figured it probably looked cheap with guys that were out of shape with no gear, and I was right about that.
Outlaw is meaningless in today’s terms. But while most outlaws were indeed low-to-no budget fly-by-night organizations trying to capitalize on a boom in business, some were a little higher quality. The Poffos’ ICW territory was an outlaw in the Memphis area and they had TV and lasted 6 years. The Macho Man and Leaping Lanny were the main stars since their family ran the promotion, but they had other legit stars like Ron Garvin, a young One Man Gang, Pez Whatley, Bob Orton, and Ox Baker. Some they signed from the Lawler-Jarrett CWA promotion. So ICW was a more professional outlaw operation.
Most modern outlaw mud shows are the shit you see at county fairs. There are a lot of fat out of shape shitheads in them
Joseph i was familar the concept of an outlaw mud show. Except it was called backyard wrestling. When i first saw this video. I had expected it to be something completely different.
Guys out of shape.... the kind of wrestling in the good ol days Cornette loves
@@DansBLACKFLAG its still better than anything Cornette promoted in smokey mountain
THis is why I love Jim Cornette. He hates the guy, he just finished calling him an idiot, and he calls him "one of the boys".
He still believes it's a brotherhood.
Because it is a brotherhood but you got some guys who aren't in it claiming they are and ruining it for everyone involved
So Joey Styles & Kenny Olivier and Corny are all brothers? Cool.
@@vlada eskimo brothers most likely
He called Janella "one of the boys" again later but then said "wait, no he's not", or something like that. So Janella isn't one of the boys anymore
@@jessieb9384It is for this reason that your Brotherhood will come to an end. As well as the Cult of Donald Trump. And the Cult of David Miscavage. Time to find Jesus.
It’s amazing that a few years ago jelly Nutella was “just some guy named janella”
Sadly, if I'm being honest, my whole life, in general, is an Outlaw Mudshow. :)
#METOO
It is a stupid thing where people nearly kill themselves.
At least, it’s not ECW and WCW. Great analogy.
Same
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1:53 "janela... Somebody"
CrazySkaterBoi777 Jelly Nutella
The dale mann ending had me in tears laughing
Same here @Richard Sellars. I'm here cracking up and holding back tears from that whole segment. It's about as hilarious as the supposed "Tessa Tape audio" that they reviewed.
If Jim Cornette told me that the sky was green...I wouldn't even look up and check
Bro funniest shit I read in a minute 😭
I agree
Cornette fan boys
@@jamesgentry13 you MY fan... boy
If Cornette tells you the sun won’t come up tomorrow then brother you Best Buy you a flashlight
"My whole life is an outlaw mudshow. One. Big. Outlaw. Mudshow."
Cornette's genuine "what" of confusion at the end there NEVER fails to make me laugh.
Lol he's talking about joey janella
This has to be the first time he ever referred to or seen jelly
Jelly Nutella!!😂😂😂
@@colonelrobertsjr.7882 I laugh every time he calls him that way😂😂😂
Who's that
@@jessieb9384 Joey Janella is a Indy wrestler who is currently in AEW
"I guess we'll never see eye to eye."
Well, so far so good on that one.
Funny enough, I attended a GFW wrestling show in 2015 on Fathers day in Bowling Green. This show was promoted by Jeff Jarrett and in the opening contest Chuck Taylor and Cliff Compton broke the ring. Jim Cornette would go on to appear as heel manager for Chris Mordetzky (Masters) against Shelton Benjarmin who was managed by Tony Rose. During this match, Jim became the best heel manager I have had the privilege to see live. He even threw a trash can while he and Tony Rose were having a confrontation.
I remember going to an AWA show when they were here at The Showboat in Vegas in the late 80s. Concession stand story reminded me. I went to a TV taping and that's when Jeannetty/Michaels were still there as The Midnight Rockers feuding with Doug Sommers and Buddy Rose. I don't remember seeing Sensational Sherry there, but I think she was their manager so maybe I just blocked it out. It was a TV taping, I think, because each person and team wrestled 3 times. Michaels/Jeannetty wrestled 3 times and came out to the same entrance each time. Cornette talks about exposing the business and Michaels and the clique doing what they did in MSG, but Verne having guys wrestle over and over in front of a crowd like this really exposed it. Not that it was a big crowd, and there was good reason why. AWA was boring as hell at the time, and even me as a huge fan didn't like watching it, but my grandfather was taking me out, and I didn't get to go to too many wrestling shows, so that made it fun. Well, anyways back to the concession stand, AWA was so cheap they served burned hotdogs from a small cart. I mean those hotdogs were almost as black as charcoal.
Last night's Cody vs Andrade match was outlaw mudshow material 😂
I want to hear about this hitchhiking tag team 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It all started one day in Rancho Cucamonga, about 5 miles from the Jackson family home….
I live in Georgetown, Kentucky and that Outlaw Promotion is still around. They run shows every saturday at the Bingo Hall but it's actually a lot more professional now. They're very community oriented and do a free show once a year during the Summer.
Emperor Palpatine they every do anything out of town? I live in kingsport tn
@@UziBlancoOfficial The do shows in Ohio but I'm not sure about anywhere else.
I love Jim ❤
RevPro isn't quite outlaw but it's unlikely they'd ever rise above crazy Indy.
My Local Fair Tonight Is Having Wrestling and The Ring Is Set up in The Mud.. Outalaw Mudshowwww
"That's Rev Pro!" 🤣
Dale Mann appeared on a card of Memphis wrestling at Rupp Arena. Probably around 1984-1985. He passed away in July 2017.
“Sandmartino”
There’s not enough comments on how someone was called out for being a murderer like wtf 😂😂😂😂😂
My whole life has been an outlaw mud show
The ending twist was great
They picked up a hitchhiker to fill out a tag team match? I'd pay to see that 😂
9:06 Shout out to THE FEFF!!!
Thank you for your patience, Jim. No, that was not a mistake. I worked more than ten years in public education, and I was amazed by some of the things that I took for common knowledge that were utterly foreign concepts to students - and their parents. Keep up the good work. You are much appreciated.
Whats common to me won't be to you.
Yes Burkesville is in Kentucky, I think it's in the southern central part of the state down near the Tennessee border.
I went to high school in Brooksville, KY. It is a small world
Just swapping out the name "Ian Rotten" for Joey Janela and he's been talking about this stuff for decades at this point
This is where the legendary Cornette-Jelly feud began.
Wasn't Angelo Poffo's ICW an outlaw promotion?
The meaning of the term has changed.
Yes, at the time they were considered "outlaw", but as has been pointed out, the definition has changed somewhat
Yes
My family has always called it gas station wrestling . Because for whatever reason we imagined these types of shows being ran in a gas station parking lot .
The start of Jelly Nutella hahaha
Joey Ryan shows,where Sami Callihan,Jimmy Havoc and Joey Janela worked in hardcore matches.
All outlaw talentless hacks
@@durden2480 as a Sami Calihan mark his in ring and mic work has been good in any promotion i have seen him in. weather high flying mat wrestling or hardcore
In my eyes dark matches are matches at a TV taping that are there to pop the local fans, usually with a local face going over.
I live in Georgetown, Ky! We have another Wrestling Company here called Prime Time Wrestling.
I like the Topix reads. Funny stuff.
Has Jim ever said what he thought about Andy Kaufman?
He sure has, I believe he met Kaufman a few times. Just search UA-cam for "Jim Cornette Andy Kaufman"
@@jimreily7538 I've listened to that clip and he actually had a lot of good things to say about Andy. He said he was a very quiet and soft spoken man in the locker room.
If being an outlaw show is a bad thing, don’t give it such a cool name!
The 2nd half of this was comedy gold from the ... if you do this - that's outlaw, then got better and better until the Dale Mann ending. This one should get an award, it was great.
Excuse my ignorance to modern wrestling venues... but, What is RevPro? And why should I care? Is it worth a watch?
Jim Cornette rules....the best
I feel for the folks who have to count all 10,000 thumbtacks. Not as much as the guy going into them, but still...
I had helped glue thumbtacks onto a cookie sheet for a backyard fed 18 years ago.
@@corkscrewfoley what's your business email?
@@floater5661 🤣
Links to clips of video of the subject please?
The Casual Gamer or you could do your own work and Google or UA-cam "outlaw wrestling".
It's funny how he blocked him,but still called him "one of the boys" 😆😆😆
Earnest T Bass aka Terry Landell
Nick Tucker the story about Cornette trying to kill Landell is amazing. It’s on UA-cam, I highly recommend it
@@supernovamcr how do you think I knew the name?
Nick Tucker I’m recommending it to anyone who reads the comments, not you personally. Glad you’ve listened to it though, it’s hilarious
Dale Mann, Kentucky's telfon killer.
This is EPIC!!!!
Can anybody tell me which episode of the show this is from?
Poor butch
This is where the legend of Corny first identified Jelly Janella as one of the chosen “outlaw mudshow cosplaying fucks”....
Jim sounds so innocent here...He has yet to learn about Marko or Excalibur...
Dale Mann was alive as recently as this year. He died in Juily, aged 77. www.randyspecktacular.com/2017/07/dale-mann-was-larger-than-life.html
I saw him on the cauliflower alley finishers page. I didn't know Fishman and El Apache died this year too.
Hol' up, is this Jim's very first interaction with Joey Janela
I believe so bro all the hate started here 😃
AEW is outlaw wrestling with a budget.
Naw, think more along the lines of GCW, CZW, WXW or other fucking bullshit promos past and present.
With a billionaire
@@jesuszamora6949 CZW? It's not that bad or at least at certain points it hasnt been.
GCW ok invisible man yea
Sometimes.
Maybe Jim would do better to call these shows "mud shows". As for dark matches, if a card is being taped, then student matches that are not being taped for a DVD then it would be a dark match.
resop3 that doesn't really apply to outlaw shows. The entire thing is dark matches because it isn't being broadcast anywhere and any recording being done is from someone's mom recording it for a home movie.
Or dark matches are also used as try out matches for the new guys. How else can the promoters gauge the new guy's skill? Well, pair him up with someone on your roster (usually folks who can actually go) and see how the kid holds up.
Outlaw mud shows need to be the plot to a Trailer Park Boys spinoff. GREEN BASTARD!!!
Revaluation pro wrestling it is
I look at outlaw promotions as up until about 85, any company not a member of the nwa or awa.
My favorite video on UA-cam
Jim is using an outdated term. Outlaw shows were ICW, NWF etc. Promotions who weren’t in the NWA who ran in the same territory as whatever territory was in the NWA from that town, or “territory.” What Jim is talking about is Backyard wrestling which everybody here knows what that means I’m sure.
Outlaw show meant opposition to the NWA and outlaw shows tended to be cheap endeavors with mostly subpar wrestling compared to NWA territories. He is using the term in conjunction with Mudshow which like he said were southern Outlaw shows done mostly in fairgrounds and rings set up in the mud. So when he says something is like an Outlaw Mudshow he is comparing that show to something cheap or subpar.
The outlaw mudshow thing is more aimed at things like ECW, CZW and all that deathmatch shit. Same with DDT wrestling.
@@Epsilonsama no it meant what I said, and NWF and IPW weren’t cheap
So basically most Memphis wrestling shows these days?
Yeah these days.
Dark show?? Aka warm up show??
Revpro is the ROH of the UK... not Outlaw at all lol they even have a partnership with NJPW. Shibata, Nakamura, and Okada have all made appearances there. Lmao “Outlaw” MLW is Outlaw as fuck.
And this is where it all began lol
Any promotion can put on a mudlaw show
Anybody who doesn’t know what any insider term means my question for u is, why not just google it?
agree but sometimes it's good to hear the long explanation from the experienced
I've consumed more wrestling content in the last two months than I have in the last 13 years !!!!!!! Cornette, booker t, stone cold, the rock, Kurt angle, undertaker, kane, JBL, tazz, bad news brown, Brian pillman, Owen hart, Chris Jericho , beniot, Brock lesner, Goldberg, the miz, Triple H, MVP, cm punk, big show, and even yes ROMAN reigns
combat sports like boxing and mma use the term undercard instead of preshow
Not really. The "undercard" is just what comes before the main event.
Stuff like AEW, ROH or NJPW
Hilarious in 2020 #CultofCornette
Then why the fuck do they have pre show matches before every single payperview
1980's ladies mud wrestling mwa wrestling alliance what a bunch !!!
Daughter Of Dale-Man: yeah, my Daddy killed that mANd he'Do it, agaIN a heartbeat....!
Jelly Nutella
how is Bobby doing ?
He dead
So "outlaw" means non-professional.
Outlaw doesn’t really fit in today’s landscape, the same way Indy wrestling wouldn’t be a term that fit in back in the territory days. An outlaw simply was any non-NWA promotion running in an NWA territory. Randy Savage came to prominence in his father’s outlaw promotion ICW, which competed against Lawler in Memphis. I guess you could call the promotions that ran in areas without NWA territories (like Montana, Idaho, Utah) indies since there wasn’t anyone to be an outlaw against.
Today, without a real NWA, you don’t have outlaws. At best, you could refer to the really shitty hardcore garbage fest promotions that operate out of parking lots to maybe be outlaw, but really the only thing tha separates them from slightly more professional indies is the level of talent and budget. Those sorts of “outlaws” are more akin to glorified backyard wrestling.
I think it fits more to a 3rd party term. So WWE would be 1st party, TNA and all the territories being 2nd, and Outlaw being 3rd composed of "who the fuck are they" wrestlers.
@@Seriona1 The stupid thing is, those 'who the fuck are they' wrestlers eventually become the stars in the "1st and 2nd party" organizations. Do you think wrestling stars appear out of nowhere? The guys that Cornette and other people stuck in 1983 would shit on for participating in "outlaw mudshows", are the same guys that he would praise a decade later after they got called up and made it in the bigger shows. Everyone has to start somewhere. They didn't magically develop talent when they got called up. They always had it and they always displayed it. It was just a matter of time and waiting for a spot. That's why it pains me when old irrelevant fucks try to shit on everything and everyone that's not also an irrelevant old fuck. As if every washed up old prick on a shitty NWA card from 1976 was the greatest piece of talent they'd ever seen. Get the fuck over yourselves.
@@pearcemark2 let me guess...You're an outlaw mudshow wrestler who will never make it big because you didn't go to a real wrestling school. Am I right?
@@cptnmrgnkid He's not completely wrong. There are outlaw mudshow guys but then there are ppl that actually hone their craft. look at all the guys that came out of these places
The birth of the bad boy vs cornette
jelly nutella
Sooo the term outlaw doesn't make any sense anymore after the territory days?
because ian rotten's IWA-MS is totally legit and professional and on the level....
For the first few years of IWA-MS, it could have been considered outlaw because they were still competing in what was left of a dying Memphis territory's towns.
Calling a show "outlaw" is like referring to WWE as "New York." It's a relic of a bygone era, much like Cornette himself.
meekrob no, iwa midsouth is definitely an outlaw show. If the term is from a bygone era, it makes no difference; it still applies to some "promotions", even if the meaning has changed slightly.
Funny that a bunch of gangsters running a monopoly would call those trying to break it 'outlaws'.
I gotta disagree with the comment about there being no such thing as a pre show because in UFC you have the prelim fights and they are at the same show but not on the PPV
And if you look at WWF and WCW ppt results there are dark matches listed
Cody Dunstan They can just rename it the Prelims, that would fix the problem with the name Pre-show.
@@stigrabbid589 So now you want to piss and moan about semantics? Preliminary show, pre-show, however the fuck you want to abbreviate it, it's the same concept. Guys who are not yet ready to compete on the televised broadcast, competing in contests that receive much less attention prior to the televised contests.
Geek wrestling
As a Hoosier, I would GLADLY say, Dick The Bruiser would destroy Sheik for ever and always
Who did he murder?
A guy called BUTCH!
He rt. Them low budget shows wrestlers won't make it in the big places they be skinnier than the divas 😂
Outlaw mudshow bullshit!
Getting wrestlers work and experience working a crowd and flexing their ring skills is always good
HydroArctic As long as there's proper safety and such. Backyard wrestling isn't a good idea.
What crowd?
There a lot professionally trained wrestlers that are trying to hone their craft. They work these smaller feds to improve their skills. Up until recently WWE has been the only game in town, and not a lot of spots. So you have to be really good and most of the time ya need to know someone to break through. So the "outlaw" shows(some are shit shows) are really the only way to get experience and hopefully recognized.
In 3 Letters: AEW
I just realized that these guys are DnD players and that is why they think people who don't play DnD should know what a dark match is or an outlaw show. Dude, get out your tiny world and join us out here.
Only nobody ever made a six figure deal playing D&D.
Then AEW came and decided to call a whole B show “Dark”. Wrestling is dead and those guys have helped bury it deeper into the ground
It's called 'Dark' cuz it comes on after lights out... 🤦♂️
ArcanaImperIII Yeah I get the concept, but it’s still a bastardized usage of an industry term to add to his point.
@@bobbyjackson5427
What would you call it then? 🤔
ArcanaImperIII I think the name is meh but I also didn’t say to change the name. Again, I’m pointing out another example of a bastardized wrestling term like he was explaining.
@@bobbyjackson5427
Fair enough... Take care dude. ✌
If Jim did a show with Ya Boi Zac from
Comics Matter they could burry ebery Idea anyone ever had in any business ever..
Dale Mann a great guy and great wrestler.What is the fucking shit talk about?
There's nothing wrong with a good outlaw, mud show.
Apache Phoenix that is mostly a contradiction
CZW puts on some good mud shows.
Apache Phoenix they are more of a recognized fed so I don’t really call them a mud show
CZW still puts on mud shows in Delaware from time to time.
I don't think Jim quite understands dark matches.
Jeffrey Riley he worked in wrestling at a high level. I dont think you understand.
Plenty of dark matches were filmed then broadcast on a company's weekly shows. Dark match does not necessarily mean it's not filmed. It's just not shown on a live broadcast.
Yes I'm sure you could educate Jim Cornette on the business he's been in since he was a pimply faced teenager. What a douche
That's Mr. Douche to you, pissant.
lol Russo commenting via a ghost-typer.
Jim needs therapy. Getting this worked up over a fake sport is just sad. Jim is a sad sad little liberal man.
Tony G how can you call it a fake sport when athletic abilities are required to do it well? We all know boxing matches have been fixed. Does that mean boxing is fake?
Think of a pastime you love and could talk about for hours, doesn't matter what it is. You're pathetic for caring about that particular thing, by your own logic.
Or maybe you're a sociopath and you don't care about anything. I dunno.
Getting worked up about an industry he made millions in and spent 30+ years.. how much money do you make commenting on UA-cam
😂😴
@@cptnmrgnkid what you got against blacks moron?