Ok I was just about to ask this. If Gman and The Lion have met yet. How long has it been now since Guilliman came back? 4 or 5 years now? How about for The Lion? 1 or 2? Canonically you'd think that would be priority number one for them both.
Lets remember Azraels reaction to seeing the Lion's non verbal command to save Dante after he fell to Angron. The Lion would do anything to keep Sanginius's heir alive, and Azrael would do anything to repay the dept to the Blood Angels for reuniting the Dark Angels with their Primarch.
You think he have learn his lesson by now. Even Roboute "asked" him to remove the helmet as he no longer need to hide in sanguinius image(I suspect he is also disturbed and angry but respected Dante too much to be direct with him thus the diplomatic approach ) . Unless, it is intentional to see if he is really the Lion by his reaction.
It always stuck with me in this interaction how concerned the Lion was with dante thinking he was an imposter and trying to kill him. Like he's so scarred from the heresy that he's still worried about civil war.
The survival guilt of the Lion is higher than I ever thought it would be for one known to be stone faced, emotionless, and unfeeling as a warrior. He loved Sanguinious. Even RawButt Girlyman didn’t have such a reaction when seeing Dante.
I think part of that could've been because of Guilliman basically having stuck around for longer in the setting than Johnson did. Cause I mean, Johnson did basically vanish on a planet at some point, but Guilliman wound up fighting the other primarchs at some point, until he was stabbed by Mortarion of course.
I think the reason why Gorrilaman didn’t react as strong was because he likely had reports detailing Dante and his many, many accomplishments over the course of his 1500 years of loyal servitude. He likely knew why Dante wore his gene father’s face well before hand. If the Lion had known about Dante and why he wore Sanguinius’s face, he would’ve been far more understanding during their initial meeting.
Mortarion did not hate Sanguinius. Mortarion was and is till this day and hypocrite. Mortarion claimed not to be jealous of Horus or Sanguinius, or any other brother. But he was jealous to the bone. He hate/love the emperor. And he was jealous of anyone who have the "love" of the emperor.
@@sbeaber All love Horus, (not Corvus for obvious reason, Horus was a dick to him) Horus was a charismatic weasel greaseball (but bald). He was deeply insecure, you can see that every time the emperor found a new son/primarch. He always try to hard to be the prodigal son, few see the cracks.
Mortarion is the biggest cunt among the primarches, so his hypocrisy is unsurprising. He's the only one who didn't need much of a push by weird brain implants, corrupted knives, mental fatigue/overworking a job they hate, or get boned by fucking Erebus to turn traitor.
Both mortarion and khan had the same daddy issues. Resentment. The emperor killed the necromancer lord on mortorions planet, then sent to the outskirts. Khan brought from the outskirts to.terra where he was the last returning son , so no, nothing exciting for terra. And then left to the outskirts again. Add the fact that khan literally is engineered to question everything, he resents the "imperal truth". Mort and khan have epic show down at siege of Terra.
The Lion may know Gman, he may know Dorne, but he loved Sangy. He talked him down during Secundus. Dante, favored son of the angel might have honestly decked him if the Lion tried it though.
You have to remember before the Lion disappeared, he was closed off and arrogant, even with his own sons. He was unmatched in martial skill and fleet power and his father showed him special treatment and trust. The only reason he wasn't war master was because he lacked social and political qualities required to rule his brothers. If you believe the emperor brought him back like I do(I think Vulcan made his armour and sword too) then it makes sense that he brought him back weaker, to humble him, he came back to nothing but a very old and wise fallen Dark angel, he was forced to interact with humans and live and sleep with them. Through the trials of his return he found his humanity, the humanity the emperor failed to give him when he walked amongst them. I didn't like the idea of an older, weaker Lion. But after the book I absolutely love the idea, he's so much better for it. When he reunites with Roboute he will be far too relieved and appreciative to have any serious clashes. Roboute will be happy to share the weight of his burdens responsibility, at the moment he carries the imperium on his shoulders. I can't waitn
Personally, I’m still unsure if the Lion’s weakness truly comes from his age. Seems just as likely that it was because he was in a comatose state in the warp for over 10,000 years, and that what would fix it would be some more exercise, but only exercise worthy of a demigod would be able to fix it
Would Love to see art of the lion, guilliman, and dante standing together, with a faint silouette behind dante of sanguinius. Saving the imperium together again.
It's been 10k years, and I'm still like this (hand see-sawing) about whether or not to trust the Lion. He'll never turn traitor, but will he now play nice with others? We'll have to see.
hey mate, would you do more chaos videos? maybe videos about assassins etc. I love 40k lore man and i like the format you use, would be great to see some of that from you.
No it was 2 legions providing an opening to allow a third to get through. Remember Hawkboy knew how he was going to die for years and knew HE had to be the one to make it to Terra
I know this would be out of character for The Lion, but I want his first interaction with Guilliman to be an embrace. Not a warriors handshake but a full on emotional hug. But lets face it, it's more likely to be Marty and Alex reunion, complete with Sugar Honey Iced Tea.
I really hope all of this comes to pass, but I'd like it to be Russ instead because out of the loyalists left the SW mirror the BA the most. True Savagery hiding their True Nobility and True Nobility hiding True Savagery.
The Lion: "Hey bro's, can I sleep on your couch tonight?" Sanguinious: "Sure bro, please clean my fridge, and what ever you do; don't piss in it haha." The Lion: "Haha." Later that day... The Lion: "Wow, this fridge is filfthy... you know what would make cleaning it a lot easier? IF I PISSED IN IT!" *curb your enthusiasm music plays*
Can’t really blame the lion. Never trusted anyone but himself and the emperor. Half his brothers end up traitor, it only stands to reason that anxiety over the rest of his brothers being traitor too would drive anyone else insane.
Yeah and Sangy is dead, and the Lion roars... emotiotions has no place in a war like the herecy... Thats also Russ flaw, was supposed to be the executioner, but never had the balls when it came to it... The Lion wouldnt have blinked while piercing Horus, twisting the spear until he was gone. The Lion is the greatest primarch hands down. Loyalty is its own reward.
Bro was like you want me to take this burden from you and run half of the imperium bro you crazy here have some of my more troubled sones and keep them in line I’m going to fuvk off and go crusading
Love the lore! You really have to watch on 1.5 speed though. It feels like you are talking slow and repeating parts of the story to make the video longer.
There probably wasn't a loyalist Primarch that would have been at the edge of falling so long as the Lion during the Heresy. Just waiting a nudge in the right place at the right time, one that never came. Chaos missing opportunity after opportunity to manipulate the events.
I kinda felt like that was click bait. Dante and the Lion. I appreciate the knowledge, but The Lion meeting Dante was like 2 minutes of 23. Not mad, but disappointed.
Whats your opinion on custodians being females? And what do you think about some new fans requesting for the two unspoken primarchs to be made as females?, i honestly believe that these new fans are not really fans of war hammer and just wanna make things fit their progressive agenda, but I want to know what you also think please ?😢
My opinion is I think you're an idiot. Warhammer is a mess of retcons. The existence of the primarchs was a change to the lore, then Guilliman was originally just a skeleton, now he's back. Your position is not any different than someone being missed off that space marines can be black. more characters of different backgrounds is better for everyone. There is already an issue of the sausage-fest storytelling of slabs of meat space marine #63 who is a badass same as space marines #1 through #62. Get out of here with your "Warhammer boys club" bullshit. There isn't some secret progressive agenda, the story is expanding, that's it. Does the idea that Squats/Leagues of Votann exist make you feel threatened? And no, I don't think they'll touch the 2 lost legions, but if they do then you can either like the lore and engage with it, or ignore it and move on. Same with Primaris, Tau, Sisters of Battle, Catachan Jungle Fighters, or any other part of the setting you don't like. Move on and stop trying to pretend like only people who have your narrow view on the hobby are "real fans".
Femstodes is a big old nothingburger, giving the two lost primarchs defined genders just seems to defeat the point of what they are. But eh, in the end GW will take whatever path gets them the most money at the end of the quarter like any company will. Hell the whole reason we don't have FemMarines already is simply because their models didn't sell way back when and GW Retconned them out of the setting.
@@S3Cs4uN8 Considering that we have writer confirmation from 7+ years ago that female Custodes were not happening because of managerial decisions and not lore restrictions, their introduction to the setting was long overdue. Of course GW could actually put some effort into it, but here we are.
Bro was like you want me to take this burden from you and run half of the imperium bro you crazy here have some of my more troubled sones and keep them in line I’m going to fuvk off and go crusading
Cant wait for Lion and Guilliman to meet again in about 10 years
We'll onky be on 15th edition by then...
They really are squeezing all they can I’ve wondered if this universe is worth it cause it’s going mainstream and that’ll make it worse
LMAO so right with how bad GW slow walks, no, slow crawls everything nowadays.
@@marshaledrek71 Nowadays? We were stuck in 41st millenia for 20 years with nothing new happening until relatively recently.
Ok I was just about to ask this. If Gman and The Lion have met yet. How long has it been now since Guilliman came back? 4 or 5 years now? How about for The Lion? 1 or 2? Canonically you'd think that would be priority number one for them both.
Lion really changed for the better. I appreciate his newfound knightly attitude.
Lets remember Azraels reaction to seeing the Lion's non verbal command to save Dante after he fell to Angron. The Lion would do anything to keep Sanginius's heir alive, and Azrael would do anything to repay the dept to the Blood Angels for reuniting the Dark Angels with their Primarch.
Ppp
In what book did that happen? Also, which book did the Lion reunite with his DA?
@@ravenblack725 Arks of Omen
Go listen to baldemorts reading of arks of omen: the lion. Just make sure you've got some tissues with you for all the cleanup
Seems noone want the death of Dante!
You think Dante was having flashbacks to his meeting with the Silent King when he was listening to angry Grandpa Lion?
You think he have learn his lesson by now. Even Roboute "asked" him to remove the helmet as he no longer need to hide in sanguinius image(I suspect he is also disturbed and angry but respected Dante too much to be direct with him thus the diplomatic approach ) . Unless, it is intentional to see if he is really the Lion by his reaction.
It always stuck with me in this interaction how concerned the Lion was with dante thinking he was an imposter and trying to kill him.
Like he's so scarred from the heresy that he's still worried about civil war.
It seems to me the loyalist primarchs really learned from their mistakes during the heresy
It's recent history for Lion, happened only a few years ago for him.
The survival guilt of the Lion is higher than I ever thought it would be for one known to be stone faced, emotionless, and unfeeling as a warrior. He loved Sanguinious. Even RawButt Girlyman didn’t have such a reaction when seeing Dante.
Yeah true but it's Survivor's Guilt not Survival Guilt and it's Sanguinius not Sanginious
I think part of that could've been because of Guilliman basically having stuck around for longer in the setting than Johnson did. Cause I mean, Johnson did basically vanish on a planet at some point, but Guilliman wound up fighting the other primarchs at some point, until he was stabbed by Mortarion of course.
I think the reason why Gorrilaman didn’t react as strong was because he likely had reports detailing Dante and his many, many accomplishments over the course of his 1500 years of loyal servitude. He likely knew why Dante wore his gene father’s face well before hand. If the Lion had known about Dante and why he wore Sanguinius’s face, he would’ve been far more understanding during their initial meeting.
The Lion: "WHO DARES WEARS MY BROHTERS FACE?!?!? **thunderstorm and lighting bolts**
Dante: "...its just a prank bro..."
'Chillllll bro....chill! Its just a prank bro?' 😂😂
I am fortifying this comment section for the return of Rogal Dorn.
BROTHER PASS THE I-BEAM
Brother bring the jackhammer, the heavy jackhammer!
Dorn is dead.
@@bluntblade6887 Brother bring me... THE EMPEROR'S MEASURING TAPE!
Yeah don't bother asking why I'm placing a company size of hibernated alpha legions under the fort, they're needed trust me.
Mortarion did not hate Sanguinius.
Mortarion was and is till this day and hypocrite. Mortarion claimed not to be jealous of Horus or Sanguinius, or any other brother.
But he was jealous to the bone. He hate/love the emperor. And he was jealous of anyone who have the "love" of the emperor.
He seemed to not like him but liked Horus in the Mortarion primarch book. However, I could be misremembering.
@@sbeaber All love Horus, (not Corvus for obvious reason, Horus was a dick to him)
Horus was a charismatic weasel greaseball (but bald).
He was deeply insecure, you can see that every time the emperor found a new son/primarch.
He always try to hard to be the prodigal son, few see the cracks.
He is an idiot
Mortarion is the biggest cunt among the primarches, so his hypocrisy is unsurprising. He's the only one who didn't need much of a push by weird brain implants, corrupted knives, mental fatigue/overworking a job they hate, or get boned by fucking Erebus to turn traitor.
Both mortarion and khan had the same daddy issues. Resentment. The emperor killed the necromancer lord on mortorions planet, then sent to the outskirts.
Khan brought from the outskirts to.terra where he was the last returning son , so no, nothing exciting for terra. And then left to the outskirts again. Add the fact that khan literally is engineered to question everything, he resents the "imperal truth".
Mort and khan have epic show down at siege of Terra.
Loyalty is it’s own reward.
Exactly
The Lion may know Gman, he may know Dorne, but he loved Sangy. He talked him down during Secundus. Dante, favored son of the angel might have honestly decked him if the Lion tried it though.
everyone love bird boi
Nice comment section you have here... Would be a shame if some Alpha Legionairs were to infiltrate it.
*Takes helmet off revealing Apharius' face* psst.... Did you mean 'Legionnaire's' *puts helmet back on and walks away*
Hydra Do... I mean, For the Emperor!
Who says they haven't already
I am.....dont say it....ALPHARIUS!!🧑🏼🤝🧑🏼👥️
Just finished all the videos and man you make some of the best lore videos out there keep it up
When this part came up at the end of Son of the Forest I almost lost my shit.
You have to remember before the Lion disappeared, he was closed off and arrogant, even with his own sons. He was unmatched in martial skill and fleet power and his father showed him special treatment and trust.
The only reason he wasn't war master was because he lacked social and political qualities required to rule his brothers.
If you believe the emperor brought him back like I do(I think Vulcan made his armour and sword too) then it makes sense that he brought him back weaker, to humble him, he came back to nothing but a very old and wise fallen Dark angel, he was forced to interact with humans and live and sleep with them. Through the trials of his return he found his humanity, the humanity the emperor failed to give him when he walked amongst them.
I didn't like the idea of an older, weaker Lion. But after the book I absolutely love the idea, he's so much better for it. When he reunites with Roboute he will be far too relieved and appreciative to have any serious clashes. Roboute will be happy to share the weight of his burdens responsibility, at the moment he carries the imperium on his shoulders. I can't waitn
Dante told him Roboute was alive and the Lion was really happy that he was not alone and one of his brothers lives still.
Personally, I’m still unsure if the Lion’s weakness truly comes from his age. Seems just as likely that it was because he was in a comatose state in the warp for over 10,000 years, and that what would fix it would be some more exercise, but only exercise worthy of a demigod would be able to fix it
Would Love to see art of the lion, guilliman, and dante standing together, with a faint silouette behind dante of sanguinius. Saving the imperium together again.
These guys need a hug.
It's been 10k years, and I'm still like this (hand see-sawing) about whether or not to trust the Lion. He'll never turn traitor, but will he now play nice with others? We'll have to see.
What? Are you foreal?
@@apex1615 well, when you put it like that..yes
hey mate, would you do more chaos videos? maybe videos about assassins etc. I love 40k lore man and i like the format you use, would be great to see some of that from you.
Love your videos, you go deep into the books
The Golden Angel of the Emperor has spoken to Me and said to prepare for his return
The Lion: “who are you!?”
Dante: “I…. Am…. Alpharius”
Ruinstorm is the story of 3 legions breaching a warp storm to go straight to Terra and only one of them does. And not the biggest legion.
No it was 2 legions providing an opening to allow a third to get through. Remember Hawkboy knew how he was going to die for years and knew HE had to be the one to make it to Terra
So, that's 24 minutes just for "Oi! OOS DIS? WAZZUP WIF DA SNAZZY MASK??!" "Is me, Dante" "AW AAAIGHT DEN."
Lion sees someone wearing his favourite brothers face as a mask: **BLUESCREEN INTENSIFIEIS, THE ERROR SOUNDS ARE GETTING LOUDER**
I know this would be out of character for The Lion, but I want his first interaction with Guilliman to be an embrace. Not a warriors handshake but a full on emotional hug.
But lets face it, it's more likely to be Marty and Alex reunion, complete with Sugar Honey Iced Tea.
You mean "Streamlined Heavy Imperial Taxation", good citizen.
I reckon the Lion will just text him,
'Hey Bobby, long time, no see. We'll have to have a catch-up and a brew when I'm in your area'
Vulkan has sent us to give boops to our cousin-brother friends!
*boops*
Lord Perturabo has ordered us to storm this comment section!
Just come from the part 1 of what guilliman thought of his brothers and the last picture on that was the first on this.
I really hope all of this comes to pass, but I'd like it to be Russ instead because out of the loyalists left the SW mirror the BA the most. True Savagery hiding their True Nobility and True Nobility hiding True Savagery.
The Lion: "Hey bro's, can I sleep on your couch tonight?"
Sanguinious: "Sure bro, please clean my fridge, and what ever you do; don't piss in it haha."
The Lion: "Haha."
Later that day...
The Lion: "Wow, this fridge is filfthy... you know what would make cleaning it a lot easier? IF I PISSED IN IT!"
*curb your enthusiasm music plays*
?
Can’t really blame the lion. Never trusted anyone but himself and the emperor.
Half his brothers end up traitor, it only stands to reason that anxiety over the rest of his brothers being traitor too would drive anyone else insane.
Which traitor would really care about their homeworld? Fulgrim, maybe, but not after he ascended.
How did I forget that the Lion is actually back?
Because of a plot by the Alpha Legion.
Just read this plotline it was great. Makes me want a game where I can play as Konrad on Maccrage fucking shit up.
Dante an mipshton are linked one of dark one of light . An so begins ssngi comeing back
Calgar in sm2 is good
Dante be meeting all the primarchs, huh?
Not first! Always fascinating to see brothers ruminate on each others’ losses.
Yeah and Sangy is dead, and the Lion roars... emotiotions has no place in a war like the herecy... Thats also Russ flaw, was supposed to be the executioner, but never had the balls when it came to it... The Lion wouldnt have blinked while piercing Horus, twisting the spear until he was gone.
The Lion is the greatest primarch hands down.
Loyalty is its own reward.
Bro was like you want me to take this burden from you and run half of the imperium bro you crazy here have some of my more troubled sones and keep them in line I’m going to fuvk off and go crusading
It is I, Alpharious.
I can't wait for the lion and russ to meet again. Guaranteed that they were alot closer than ppl think. They were basically the same primarch.
AVE DOMINUS NOX
Just wondering what would happen if Conrad was killed here.
If you put it on 1.25 speed its like you are listening to it at normal speed and not slow mode
Respect to the other loyal primarchs, but these 3 were the backbone of the imperium
Don’t downplay Dorn like that.
Love the lore! You really have to watch on 1.5 speed though. It feels like you are talking slow and repeating parts of the story to make the video longer.
Probably before another Primarch
There probably wasn't a loyalist Primarch that would have been at the edge of falling so long as the Lion during the Heresy. Just waiting a nudge in the right place at the right time, one that never came. Chaos missing opportunity after opportunity to manipulate the events.
If you suggest things to watch tag that shit
Personally, I still forgiven the Lion for breaking an oath he made to Russ 😤 The wolves may be barbarians, but they keep their damn oaths.
*still haven’t
I kinda felt like that was click bait. Dante and the Lion. I appreciate the knowledge, but The Lion meeting Dante was like 2 minutes of 23. Not mad, but disappointed.
Whats your opinion on custodians being females? And what do you think about some new fans requesting for the two unspoken primarchs to be made as females?, i honestly believe that these new fans are not really fans of war hammer and just wanna make things fit their progressive agenda, but I want to know what you also think please ?😢
My opinion is I think you're an idiot. Warhammer is a mess of retcons. The existence of the primarchs was a change to the lore, then Guilliman was originally just a skeleton, now he's back.
Your position is not any different than someone being missed off that space marines can be black. more characters of different backgrounds is better for everyone. There is already an issue of the sausage-fest storytelling of slabs of meat space marine #63 who is a badass same as space marines #1 through #62. Get out of here with your "Warhammer boys club" bullshit. There isn't some secret progressive agenda, the story is expanding, that's it. Does the idea that Squats/Leagues of Votann exist make you feel threatened?
And no, I don't think they'll touch the 2 lost legions, but if they do then you can either like the lore and engage with it, or ignore it and move on. Same with Primaris, Tau, Sisters of Battle, Catachan Jungle Fighters, or any other part of the setting you don't like. Move on and stop trying to pretend like only people who have your narrow view on the hobby are "real fans".
Femstodes is a big old nothingburger, giving the two lost primarchs defined genders just seems to defeat the point of what they are. But eh, in the end GW will take whatever path gets them the most money at the end of the quarter like any company will.
Hell the whole reason we don't have FemMarines already is simply because their models didn't sell way back when and GW Retconned them out of the setting.
@@S3Cs4uN8 Considering that we have writer confirmation from 7+ years ago that female Custodes were not happening because of managerial decisions and not lore restrictions, their introduction to the setting was long overdue. Of course GW could actually put some effort into it, but here we are.
@@shadearca Indeed.
@@shadearcayea suddenly. It was long time ago yea.
Bump
Put it on 1.5x speed. Youre welcome
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I don't like that Sanguinius "accepted" the visions, instead of forging his own path.
OR it could be that THIS path was the best outcome he could wrangle out of fate....
Either way it's a tragedy.
@@bmad1386 Its supposed to be. But he was still a slave to his visions, like Kurze.
They should have killed Guilliman instead so then at least the blueberries would be more interesting
You mean, just like everyone else?
@@crimsonknight7011 but papa Smurf and the smurfetes gotta protect the ultra village and bring honor to the golden toilet seat.
Nah. You always gotta have a boy scout. Its what makes everyone else so interesting. If Guilliman wasn't around, everyone else would seem normal.
People only hate the Ultramarines because some lame Facebook meme told them to.
@@nickwilliams794 No i dislike them because of how much they are shoved in your face everywhere and proclaimed to be the best.
nothing new
Bro was like you want me to take this burden from you and run half of the imperium bro you crazy here have some of my more troubled sones and keep them in line I’m going to fuvk off and go crusading