Three Reasons I Don't Believe in the Rapture (Anymore)
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- The rapture is a topic of major controversy. In this video, Dr. Matt O'Reilly explains why he gave it up.
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1 Thessalonians 4:17.... Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
You beat me to it😊 I was going to type this verse. Apostasy will increase in the last days.
This is speaking about the 2nd Coming. Take another look at the whole chapter.
There are 2 raptures pre for church post for I srael
@@kvhpkhthere's no mention of dead being resurrected at the second coming, so two events must be different
THE PRE TRIB RAPTURE IS TOO OBVIOUS NOBODY LEFT ON EARTH WOULD QUESTION ANYTHING
Rapture is not a theory! It is our blessed hope. Comfort one another with these words….
Agreed. The rapture is exceptionally clear in the scriptures 👍🏼
@@geneotrexler8246Rewritten by crazy man John Darby
Thats odd. I thought Jesus appearimg was my blessed hope. Spontaneously dissapearing kinda pales in comparison...
I am anticipating and watching for Jesus in the clouds,I can leave at any moment.
Why would his church be here during the tribulation?
Who’s coming with Jesus during Armageddon?
Everybody will believe in the Rapture when it happens~🙏👑🕊️✨
Ask the Lord to show you!! On January 25th 2024 I had the most amazing rapture vision!! I have never felt such peace & complete joy!! I didn't even know there was a rapture until I was in my 30's. I was raised New Age & Lutheran. I was lukewarm until right before the pandemic when my 6 year old son was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. I had no one to rely on but Jesus. Since then, I have slowly grown closer to the Lord. I pass out the gospel & I do my best to glorify Him in all I do. I believe the Lord is coming for His bride very soon & is letting His church know!
Don't let ANYONE steal your blessed hope!! ✝TITUS 2:13
✝REVELATION 3:10-11 "Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. 11 Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown"!
LOOK UP!! ✝MATTHEW 24 ✝LUKE 21
Maranatha!!✝🌥👑💍
Amen
I had a rapture dream too. This guy is wrong!
This is just for a specific group of people, you can’t claim to be one of them if you’re not. To the CHURCH OF PHILADELPHIA “I will make those who are of the SYNAGOGUE of Satan, who claim to be JEWS though they are not, but liars. I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.”
Dreams can be deceiving and the meaning can be different from reality. People cherry pick what they want from the Bible, God is very clear and there are 7 churches with different outcomes.
@@martdel6673 humbly if you carefully study the Revelation of Jesus Christ you will find that only Laodicea & Philadelphia are still in existence today. The church is one or the other at the end of the 2,000 year dispensation of grace.
Also, the church is not mentioned after chapter 4 unless you replace gentiles with Jews which makes old testament prophecy in PSALMS of ascents & many other places not fit anywhere else..
I would take this to the Lord. There is a severe warning in chapter 22 about taking words out or putting words in. Pastor Gary Hamrick on YT does a very thorough study on the Revelation of Jesus Christ. I highly suggest it.
Maranatha!!
What part of Revelation 3 mentions rapture? Keeping us from the hour of temptation is another way of saying, I will strengthen your faith in me whilst temptation or Tribulation surrounds you.
The wrath to come is the final judgment of Christ, his own people will always be protected from the wrath to come! The last days began just after Christ's resurrection, how many Christians have suffered for the last 2000 years excruciating terrible persecution & death? Why should a final 3 & half yrs been an exception 🤔
I still don't see a pretrib rapture, sorry but you have to be much more specific about a pretrib rapture!
We are spared from the wrath of God, which is His judgment on all unbelievers when He Returns, not the Tribulation! The Tribulation and the wrath of God are 2 separate events. No one is saying that the Rapture isn't Biblical, a pre-trib Rapture isn't, that's the point. The Rapture verses are always connected to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, not beforehand!
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
[15]For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
[16]For the LORD HIMSELF WILL DESCEND FROM HEAVEN with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the DEAD IN CHRIST WILL RISE first.
[17]Then WE who are ALIVE and REMAIN will be CAUGHT UP(RAPTURED) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Corinthians 15:50-53
[50]Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
[51]Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,
[52]in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMPET; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
[53]For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Revelation 11:15-18 confirms when the last trumpet sounds. This last - seventh - trumpet announces the coming of Christ, the establishment of God's Kingdom, the judgment upon the nations, and the rewarding of the saints. They occur simultaneously! The last trumpet sounds when Christ returns, not 3½ years before!
When does the Rapture occur??? When Jesus ACTUALLY RETURNS!!!
Follow the Text!!
Matthew 24:29-31
[29]“Immediately after the distress of those days
“ ‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
[30]“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
[31]And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and THEY WILL GATHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, from one end of the heavens to the other.
I have recently jumped ship from being a pre tribber. When people would speak of the rapture I would get an uneasy feeling in my gut. The more I would pray and ask for direction and God started leading me to research and to discern for myself, not what others were saying. I now firmly believe that we must endure not escape. Jesus endured the cross for us, so we must endure til the end for him. He never said it would be easy but that he would be with us til the end. I’ve also learned that the West is the only ones that believe in a rapture. Either way I’m ready to meet Jesus, but I’m prepared to endure if it comes to it as well.
Don't worry, our LORD promised to protect us from the wrath to come! Born again Christians don't even have to worry about the Mark of the beast because the antichrist can not come as long as the wonderful Restrainer, the HOLY SPIRIT is still here. HE will be removed at the rapture. Listen to real theologians like Dr. David Reagan. Dr John Ankerberg and their guests! Maranatha!
iF THIS IS ONLY IN THE WEST; AND I SAW WHERE THE "iNVENTION"l--OF THE "RAPTURE" BEGAN IN 1830 AND WAS "NOT" EVER SPOKE OF BEFORE THEN--THAT THE AUTHORS OF THIS "LIE" HAD TO HAVE BEEN IT'S THE SAME PEOPLE WHO CREATED ALL THE OTHER LIES, ABOUT OUR HISTORY, SPACE, SHAPE OF OUR EARTH, GENDERS, ETC. THE EVIL ONES THAT HAVE RULED THE EARTH & ESPECIALLY OUR COUNTRY FOR GENERATIONS!! ROTHSCHILDS, ROCKEFELLERS, BLACKROCK, ETC
Daniel's 70th week is fulfilled by Jesus, he ended sacrifice with his death on the cross.
I did a debate, which I posted a few weeks ago
@@chrislucastheprotestantview No, you are totally mixed up. The Gospel wasn't even preached to all the nations back then and Israel had to be back in their land, that stated to happen in the 1800s, the Antichrist wasn't there etc. etc ! Please listen to Dr. Ron Rhodes, Dr David Reagan, dr. John Ankerberg and their guests on end times chronology and get rapture ready!
@albertafarmer8638 what does that have to do with Daniel 9? Let's first focus on Daniel 9 before you start cutting and pasting a whole bunch of verses together that you misinterpret.
70 sevens are 70 sabbatical cycles, 490 Jewish lunar-solar years.
We know this because, LET'S START AT THE TOP OF THE CHAPTER, NOT THE BOTTOM, Daniel is praying about the 70 years of desolation spoken of by Jeremiah the prophet. This is because the jews did not follow what is outlined in Leviticus 25, 26.
483 Jewish years, from 458/457 bc to 26ad/27ad is 483 lunar-solar Jewish years based on their religious calendar. They would go by NO OTHER CALENDAR. Most people will agree Jesus got crucified somewhere between 26ad/27ad to 33ad/34ad
I allow for a variant of 1 year because I know many argue heavily over those two dates.
Nothing else matches the decree of artaxerxes decree in his 7th year, which was 458/457 bc.
All the other decrees make the prophecy start too soon or end too late.
I did debates on this, and I posted the last one I did. I would be willing to debate anyone in this if you think you know what you are talking about.
😂😂 - Many people did not believe the flood and then you know what happened.
Someone’s been outsourcing their sense making to Henry Morris et. al 😅
Point number two has been a red flag for me as well. In fact after I looked into the origin of rapture theology, that about did it for me. I find it so disturbing how much of the evangelical church just takes this as fact without question. Its a sacred cow for sure.
What's more perplexing to me is that even in some Reformed circles this theory is believed. No doubt John MacArthur has had a lot to do with that.
Oh my, there is a 3 part rapture! There is a pretrib rapture dear believer but not all those that believe in pretrib will go in pretrib.The Philadelphian saints are the church of BROTHERLY LOVE. The bride wants all saints to be harvested with the barley company at pretrib. The bulk of the church will reject the bridal calling. Believers will go to heaven when they are ready to be harvested. The crop must be ready before it can be harvested. Barley and wheat are both grain companies that are both planted at the same time, in the autumn. Barley matures faster than wheat and is harvested in the spring. BARLEY IS THE BRIDE, and she leaves at pretrib. Wheat is harvested in the summer. Wheat is the great multitude church gathered in Rev 7..... THE VIRGINS WITHOUT NUMBER AKA THE INNUMERABLE COMPANY! The final company, caught up at midtrib, before the open door is shut, are the grapes that are gathered at midtrib. The grapes are the 144,000 Jews. The Jews finally believe Christ is their king because they gleaned the truth from the Barley and wheat companies.
If there is a LAST TRUMP, there is a FIRST TRUMP. If there is a high calling, there is a lesser calling. The bridal remnant will be a joint heir as husband and wife. The bulk of the church will be only heirs as children.
The barley bride is taken up in Rev 4 at pretrib, where he tells John, "COME UP HERE!". This is a very small remnant of the church that leaves at pretrib. All christians are called for this HIGH AND HEAVENLY CALLING, but few will be chosen. The bulk of the church is in a DEEP SLEEP like Adam. While Adam ( the church) slept, God was forming a bride from a rib ((TAKEN OUT OF)) Adam. This is a rib portion, a very small remnant that makes up this bridal company.
The bulk of the church has spots and wrinkles in their robes that will be cleaned in the first part of the tribulation period. How do they have wrinkles in their robes? They are in a deep sleep! When you're lying down in these robes, they get wrinkled. They have spots because of false doctrines.
There is a pretrib rapture, and the bulk of the church, like yourself, will reject the truth. The Lord will use this bridal remnant to speak in these last days. This remnant will be a mouthpiece unto God. She will be rejected by the church and the world before she departs.
Hebrews 12:25
[25]See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Isaiah 1:9
[9]Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.
The truth will get many angry. It will be a stark contrast of things you learned your entire life! The verse about John being caught up at pretrib is only one verse, brother. The Lord has it beautifully woven from the Old to the New Testament. We will go to heaven by ranks, just as Paul said.
1 Corinthians 15:23
[23]But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. ORDER MEANS RANKS.
●●●There are 3 stories on Noah's ark for the 3 companies escaping through the open door by rank and order.
Go read it! The world taught us, as a child, that the ark was loaded by 2's. The truth is they first loaded by 7's then by 2's!!!
Genesis 7:2
[2]Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
●●● When Peter had the vision of the fitted sheet with all manner of beasts inside. These are saints from the 4 corners of the earth of every nation and tongue. He saw this sheet come down THRICE....3 TIMES FOR 3 COMPANIES OF BELIEVERS!!
●●● 3 companies of people will be caught up by ranks before the middle of the week....BARLEY, WHEAT, AND GRAPES. The barley company is the ONLY COMPANY that is harvested by WINNOWING. All the remaining companies need a threshing floor of tribulation to do a finishing work before they are caught up. The wheat is CRUSHED by the tribullum board, grapes are TREAD, and olives are PRESSED on the threshing floor of tribulation.
●●● There will be 3 companies of light. He is the LIGHT, and as we take in his Word, we become light. The more we consume, the brighter we become. We decrease, and he increases! The 3 light companies are Sun glory saints, moon glory saints, and star glory saints. Those bridal sun glory saints SHINE WHILE IT IS STILL DAYTIME!
Do I need to ask you when the moon and stars shine?!? The moon and star glory saints shine during the night season of tribulation.
There is so much more. This is only a glimpse of what is in the Word regarding a 3 part harvest.
StealthFlight, The disturbing history of the pre-trib rapture doctrine was faked.
A Jesuit didn't invent Futurism because Jesus taught it when he warned everyone about the future end times. And those prophecies haven't been fulfilled yet, so Jesus’ Futurists teaching is still valid.
Another Jesuit, who they claim invented the pre-trib rapture, actually described a post-trib rapture.
And the Scottish woman who they claim got the pre-trib from voices, actually also said the church goes through the great tribulation to be tested by the Antichrist.
So you are arguing that the finished work on Jesus on the cross wasn't enough? You do understand that we have the Holy Spirit, right? So any wrath we would undergo during the Tribulation, the Holy Spirit necessarily would also undergo. A Biblical impossibility. Sacred cow? One guy gives you an un- biblical and extra-biblical explanation and you jump right on it and condemn others? Perhaps it is you who should stop worshipping the UA-cam golden calf.
Actually, the Rapture theology originating with Darby is false. Look up Soothkeep (Lee Brainard) on YT. He has a lot of evidence that a pre-Tribulation Rapture view was held by early church fathers. The number of people or type believing a view does not make it false. The point of the Tribulation is that a remnant of unbelieving Israel comes to faith and declares “Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the LORD” at the 2nd Coming. This is why Israel’s rebirth as a nation in 1948 and current persecution which ramped up in Oct. 7 is a sign of the times. The church is already wed to Christ and will be in heaven during Daniel’s 70th week. Daniel was told in 9:24 that 70 weeks were determined for “his people” (Jews) and the 70th Week of Daniel is that final 7 years on God’s clock for the original chosen nation to come to faith. Research the 70th Week of Daniel. BTW, they will not all come to faith, but a remnant will. A remnant will be changed from Jacob (unbelieving state) to Israel (wrestled with the Angel of the LORD or pre-incarnate Christ & prevailed). God always preserves a remnant. This is why Romans 11:26 says “All Israel will be saved” and not “All Jacob will be saved”. Blessings!
The word rapture is not found in the Bible. However there's an event that will take place where one will be working on the field and the other be taken. I believe in this event.
My journey was much the same as yours as it never occurred to me there was any other choice but pre trib rapture OR you were just a goofball Christian. I was pretty entrenched in my position growing up Baptist and having been fortified by Hal Lindsey's wildly popular Late Great Planet Earth that came out when I was 19. It's only been since hitting 65 years of age that I began to see the problems with the silly excapism doctrine of a secret rapture. Amazingly, so many other devout Christians even mistake this as as salvation issue and remain learning resistant to any better understanding of Scripture.
That's for watching and sharing your experience
Yes those who make it a salvation issue are actually contradicting any Christian's defintion of salvation, which is by grace through faith. No one but Christians really debate this issue, I mean which non believer sits around debating whether the rapture happens or is pre mid or post trib? Really. The only salvation issue is faith in Christ. If he accepts us and we are born again that's it.
@@michaelnewzealand1888
It **IS** a "Salvation issue"
*Gal.**5:13**-*21*
*Rev.22:19-*19*
*Rev.21:*8*
*OSAS Dispensationalism is FALSE:*
Gal.5:13-*21
*Rom.**11:13**-*22*
Gal.6:7-8
Eph.5:1-7
Rev.2:5
Rev.2:16
Rev.3:5
Rev.3:16
*Rev.22:18-*19*
*****John 5:28-29*****
GOOD WORKS inherit Eternal Life and evil deeds inherit damnation, so saith JESUS CHRIST the Judge and Resurrecting Rapturer.
@@michaelnewzealand1888
To teach falsely against The Resurrection, is to preach a FALSE GOSPEL as according to Apostle Paul, 1 Cor.15:1-19 The Resurrection **IS** The Gospel and without it the cross would be in vain.
In your warped opinion, is a FALSE GOSPEL a "salvation issue" ???
Even dough Noah and his family where saved on the ark, they also had to go threw trials and tribulations while they where on the ark.
And they never left earth until they died
Noah was left behind, the ones not in the ark were swept away.
It was Enoch who represents the rapture, not Noah.
@@harktheharold4523 No. The rapture reference speaks of Noah not Enoch. Enoch has only one sentence in the Bible. The rapture us something made up to make Christians feel better about Armageddon. Very bad misinterpretation.
@@harktheharold4523 Enoch LOL
My Southern Baptist mother believes the (secret) Rapture *is* her "Blessed Hope," and not the Resurrection from the Dead that Christ became the First Fruits of. It's like she fears persecution so much (PTSD) that she *needs* to believe the Rapture is any day now in order to function normally in life. Every day, she's "studying" astrology charts using every ounce of her confirmation bias to find a modicum of meaning in how the sky matches some obscure Jewish feast description or biblical passage. In short, it's a mental disorder, and it's sad to see. She's clearly intelligent, but because she was raised on this belief, she can't accept Orthodoxy or Catholic doctrine that spans back a millenia and a half. No, somehow she believes the Church Fathers *and* the Apostles believed Christ would whisk them off into the air at any moment, *but for some reason,* they spread the Gospel unto death with the vehemence that only a Saint could have..
I guess my point here is that most often, this false Rapture doctrine deters one from living like Christ and uniting as a Church family because, *at any given moment in your life,* God's gonna break you outta the Matrix, so to speak. In short, it's religious escapism.
Catholocism is a false doctrine as are most manmade religions to divide & conquer jesus didn't want us to be Catholic, orthodox, Islamic, hindu, Buddhist or any other denomination he wants us to be born again.
God said that we should watch,study the skies,sun,moon and stars
God bless your mother. She is right. Sorry you will be left behind.
@ChristAliveForevermore You wrote, "My Southern Baptist mother..."
Are you implying that everyone who believes in the catching up of the Saints to meet the Lord in the air is like your Mom?
"Taken up" is the term used in the Douay-Rheims to translate the Greek "Harpazo" and from that to the Latin Vulgate "rapiemur" from which the term "rapture" comes from. The word harpazo (ἁρπάζω, 726), means “to snatch or catch away,” This verb conveys the idea of force suddenly exercised, “take (it) by force” “snatcheth” a word Paul uses to describe an event which is to come. Philip was "snatched" from the presence of the Ethiopian Eunuch (Acts 8:39) ~
Agree. A strong adherence in the rapture as our 'blessed hope' is like a golden calf for many Christians. I once believed in a pre-trib, then I studied the Scriptures and moved to a pre-wrath (post tribulation rapture) but really in my mind I was looking in the bible to place the timing of Jesus' return rather than a sudden secret rapture. That's the problem, our presupposition assumes there is this 'rapture' moment when the church is beamed up (Star Trek like) off planet earth at some point. But now I believe that doesn't take place - its simply during the 2nd coming of our Messiah to earth that we are caught up to meet him as he descends
The first reason can be easily disproved, the second isn't based on scripture, the third, escapism is something man made up so he can argue it himself lol
The tribulation is not for the CHURCH
The rapture is not for the church either. The rapture is not Biblical doctrine.
It's actually the opposite. The tribulation is only for the children of God.
@@tommaloney676 The tribulation was for Old Covenant Israel, that is why it called Jacob's trouble. Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy was concerning Daniel, his people, and the city.
@ChristCenteredEschatology if you wish to believe that......
@@tommaloney676 I don't wish to believe anything. God is in charge and I have no choice but to believe what his word says.
Daniel never said anywhere that the 70 weeks was for anyone other than Daniel. his people, and their city.
show me where Daniel says the seventy is for someone other than Daniel, his people, and their city. If you cannot not, which you can't, then you are adding your own opinion to God's word and believing what you wish.
I look forward to your response, which I am sure will include the words from Daniel that support your claim.
I stopped believing in the pre-trib Rapture when I read the Bible for myself with the Holy Spirit teaching instead of listening to men. Jesus clearly says the tares go first.
Matthew 13:30 30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
John 17:15
“I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.”
First of all, in the Gospels Jesus is speaking to the Jews. The Rapture wasn't revealed until years later to Paul. Paul was sent to the Gentiles. Now, you were talking about the tares. This will take place at the end of the age when Jesus will separate the sheep from the goats. The Rapture wasn't invented; it was revealed to Paul. Paul told the Thessalonians not to become unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us(him), saying that the Day of the Lord had already come. Why would they think they missed it? Because they were expecting the Rapture that Paul had told them about. Because when Jesus comes the Bible says that every eye will see Him. So if the Thessalonians thought they missed the Day of the Lord(the Rapture), than it's obvious that is exactly what they thinking. I mean, wouldn't you be alarmed and easily unsettled if you thought you missed the Rapture? (Day of the Lord).
Paul said,"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing(falling away) first, and that man of sin be revealed (2Thess.2:3). 1599 Geneva Bible Version. Departure is also in Tyndale's Bible Version, Coverdale Version, Cranmer Version, and Beza's translation, all these are from the sixteenth century, and render the term "departing". It is therefore suggested the possibility of rendering 2Thess.2:3 to the effect that the departure must "come first", the Rapture of the Church must occur before the man of sin is revealed.
Most Translations say "caught up" in chapter 4. Interestingly Latin Vulgate uses rapiemur for caught up or snatch up. I am no Latin expert but appears rapiemur has something to do with the word Rapture?!
@@luisgarcia943 That falling away is referring to people's faith being shaken (That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us)...the falling away is going to happen to believers who seeing all the horrific events unfolding during the tribulation, fall away from the faith. Paul is trying to give them hope to remain faithful because the world will be plunged into total lawlessness. Do you have such little faith that YHWH-God will be our greatest hope to every living soul during the tribulation. To testify to the many who are going to perish? People who believe in the rapture are simply self deceived. Quick to accept man made theories not based on sound doctrine.
@@luisgarcia943 the "rapture" happens AFTER the Tribulation. Jesus said so himself.
I'm very new to this concept. No rapture. Was brought up in the "pre-tribulation" thought. Then reading scripture I was taken back. Literally by the word TAKEN. I started researching and found "taken", "snared", is used when referring to sin and wicked. Then "left behind" was righteous. Same words during Noah's day that Jesus spoke. Jesus also told us to endure. Why would I need to endure if I'm going to be ruptured? The Diciples had to endure. I'm not even in the same category as they so I shouldn't get special treatment.
Actually Lot and his family were taken out of Sodom. The angel took hold of the hands of Lot, his wife and their two daughters and they brought them out and set them outside the city. Lot was told they could do nothing to Sodom till they arrived at Zoar.
Corrupt translation , it should read , caught up , you have been misled.
It sounds like you agree, @@jash7401, that the Day of Jesus' Parousia/believers' resurrection will be a Day of darkness & judgment upon unbelievers.
Jesus comes back one time, not two.
@@IndianaJoe0321 Amos 5:18 Woe to you who desire the day of the Lord! For what good is the day of the Lord to you? It will be darkness, and not light. 1thess 5:4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, (would that be you?) but let us watch and be sober. You are convinced He will delay to His second coming.
Lk12: 45 But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming...
46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware...
Mk 13:37 "And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!”
Exactly, I used to believe in the rapture but constantly you keep seeing God coming down to dwell with his people. Just like in the temple and just like the incarnation. The reverse would be like the tower of Babel.
In Matthew 24:39 those that were taken away were like the wicked in the flood and the ones left behind were the righteous.
I feel like the rapture is fueled also by pride. "As long as I'm perfect and don't sin, I'll be rapture ready" but by that standard you're never ready and you're suggesting you don't need a savior.
I was a Sunday School teacher and the end-times came up in our studies. I taught from the Assembly of God material and saw it as convoluted. At that point I began my own study of WHAT JESUS SAID and history. There is no indication in the Bible that there will be a 3rd coming of Christ, so He is only coming back to mete out justice. When He does, 1Thess. 4:13-17 will be fulfilled. All people will receive immortal bodies when Jesus returns. Some will live forever with Jesus and some will not, period.
That's why Paul said it was a mystery thay had been hidden until our risen Jesus revealed it to him.why do you doubt ?
@Vajrahn You wrote, " There is no indication in the Bible that there will be a 3rd coming of Christ..."
John 20:15-17 - Jesus will ascend to the Father. No one saw Him go, nor did they see Him return. Who saw Him during the 40 days following His resurrection? Did the Romans and members of Sanhedrin who had Him crucified see Him?
Where in the text is the return at the end of the Tribulation referred to as the "second coming" of Jesus?
I do not think one can rest on a numbered return as foundational proof that there is no "rapture" ~
@@williamredfield6006 The comings of Jesus is the return to stand on the earth. Twice but the rapture is very clear to understand that we are to caught up in the air to be with him. He does not touch the ground. Your doubt is a greater than your belief? Be careful not to be led by unbelief
@@DennisMcDermott-s5q you wrote, "Your doubt is a greater than your belief?"
Jumping to conclusions based on???
Did I say I doubted? 🤔
You are correct that Jesus will touch the earth at the conclusion of the tribulation. The text does not refer to the return of Jesus at the conclusion of the tribulation as His "second coming" and therein lies the confusion.
Note: Christ's return at the conclusion of Jacob's trouble will be His third visit, NOT BECAUSE OF RAPTURE!
But based on scripture (John 20:15-17).
@@williamredfield6006 The rapture wasn't revealed to John, only to Paul . This is why it is it was a secret hidden by God until Paul's revealing.
I don't agree, but I like the video. “Then there shall be two men in the field; one will be taken, and one will be left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken, and one will be left. Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming.-Matthew 24:40-42 I think this scripture is referring to the rapture. There are many mysteries in the end times we will never know, but blessed are they that study the word of God!
Read Matthew 13: 24-30 and pray about it.
It’s the opposite of what you think. Don’t worry, I thought the same for almost 29 years.
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Jesus is talking to Jews in Matt. 24.
@@MikkaShrednikplease consult with The Holy Spirit to help you interpret things correctly before you read your Bible, sir. He’s the only one that can open eyes that are that blind.
@@New_Creation4 I'm not blind and I can read and comprehend. I also hold the doctrine of dispensation very important in understanding the Biblical message. So, no, not everything in the NT is meant for Christians.
The word rapture is not in the Bible, but the event is. I pray you come back to truth and stop spreading this false hood
Those who won’t believe the Bible about the gathering together of the believers in the clouds with Jesus. WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION TO BE TESTED.
Those who believe the Bible will not have to go through the wrath. Jesus promised to rescue us from the wrath. 1Thess 1:10. 1Thess 4:13-18
1Thess 5:9
2Thess 2:1-3.
Jesus says he will take us to where he is. John 14:1-4.
After the 7 year Tribulations, then Jesus will bring his church back to the Earth during his 2nd coming to destroy his enemies that are left after the Tribulations. Revelations 17:14.
He comes to save the Jews.
Then he will set up his Millennial Kingdom. 1,000 years because he promised the Israelites he would do that.
Trust all of these scriptures that were prophetic for over 4,000 years. Do not trust this man who doubts the word of God.
Amen! I believe in Jesus and the promises in his word! Thank you @sandyo-wy7nk
Interesting video and opinion... thanks for sharing it. I actually went the opposite direction. Over 20 years ago I came to Christ and for years I didn't buy into the rapture. But as I continued to study scripture daily, I got interested in the topic, prayed much about it, and devoted a portion of my study time to delving into this topic. I bought a book called, Revelation Four Views: A Parallel Commentary. I did a lot of study on Church history also... was surprised that there were actually many teachings on the premillennial and rapture view... however, because the church was dominated by Roman Catholic theology, and any variance from that would be stamped out pretty quick, which is why it did not have any footing to take off and be taught until after the reformation period, when there was freedom to study and develop true Bible doctrine without the threat of a dominant controlling Catholic priesthood. So going into Church history to prove a point that because the rapture wasn't widely taught or held doesn't prove anything... otherwise I could say the same for Salvation by faith alone, by grace alone, through Christ alone... etc. (the Solas)... because those weren't 'Popularized' until the reformers pushed back against the prevailing church of the time. Anyway... long story short, I've come down the road the other way... Now I'm absolutely convinced there is a rapture... based on 2 Thess. 4, John 14:2,3; 1Cor. 15:50-57. The only question should be on the timing of the rapture... in relation to the Tribulation period. I strongly lean to before... for many reasons, one of which is to distinguish the difference between Israel and the Body of Christ, the Church (Math. 16:18). Two completely separate programs in the plan of God. However both groups saved the same way, by grace through faith in the completeness of Jesus Christ to forgive sins. Anyway, thanks again for the video and to God be the Glory!
Interesting. I looked at the bible verses you quote (I assume you mean 1.tess 4 and not 2.tess 4) and I cant find anything telling me they are not talking about the ONE return of christ. Can you tell me why these verses point you to saying Jesus will come back in secret for his church before the rest of humanity? Nothing in these verses seem to indicate two returns of Christ.
What part of THE SECOND COMING, AT THE 7TH TRUMP, THE LAST TRUMP, GODS TRUMP, is hard for you to understand?
THERE IS NOT A PRE, MID, OR POST RAPTURE. It is very contradictive in the sense that there are two trubulations, two advents. Otherwise you would have some explaining to do and lots of confusion, which in term, contradicts any rapture you would want to insert in to the scenario. Rapture has no article in Scripture for that same fact.
If there was a pre trib or mid or post rapture, I would have most definitely read about it. Guess what? There's nothing on there about a secret rapture, a flying away event or anything of that sort. Old testament, new testament, Hebrew, Aramaic, or Greek, it simply does not exist.
The word of God cannot be subjective, otherwise salvation would be according to whatever you believe in and not what God says. Traditions of man will drive you away from the truth. That's exactly what they want you to do.
Jesus is coming here to reign with us for 1000 years, also called the Lords day. You quoted 2 Thessalonians. Read with understanding. He specifically tells you the event that MUST happen before His SECOND (not third not fourth) COMING, at the 7th trump, not the 6th, the 7th trump. 1 Corinthians 15 nails it for you specifically. The catching away quoted in 1 Thessalonians 4 is practically refering to 1 Corinthians 15:52. It's a change of bodies, not a flying away. It happens VERY fast, in a twinkle of an eye, when? AT THE LAST TRUMP.
Very simple.
Spot on !! I have been researching eschatology for over 48 years and still hold to a pretribulation / premillennial view. 👍✝️
Very soon! ⚡⚡
I truly hope there is a rapture! I think I may order that book you mentioned and study it out.
Three reasons I BELIEVE in the Rapture:
1. Revelation 3:10 says so
2. Jesus himself said so John 14:2-6
3. Satan hates the Rapture almost as much as he hates the Israel and the church because he knows once the church is raptured, its Hands off of God’s bride for eternity- he can’t persecute us any more so he is stepping up the attacks like in this video to try and discourage and divide
And to the Biblically “challenged “, there is nothing in scripture that says the Rapture is a “ secret” . It’s spelled right out in scripture for everyone to read.
Amen, & *AMEN!*
I am a rapture believer.
Ok
Amen!!
Read Daniel 9:24-27 and ask yourself:
Does it mention a 2,000 year gap in between week 69 and week 70?
Does it use the word “Antichrist”?
Does it specify that an Antichrist will make a peace accord with Israel?
Does it speak of an end times 3rd temple being rebuilt?
Did the passage mention an Antichrist who will proclaim that he is god?
Does it use the word “tribulation”?
Did the passage mention the RAPTURE of the Church?
The answer is NO,
If you insist that the 70th week of Daniel has not been fulfilled, then read Daniel 9:24-27, and ask yourself these questions.During which week of the seventy-week prophecy did Messiah carry out his multiyear ministry? And in which week did He die for our sins? If you’re honest with the text, you’ll see that the only place for those events is in the 70th week.
The enemy’s end times deception is based on the concept of a futuristic 70th week of Daniel. It causes people to look for an end times one-man Antichrist,the rapture and 3rd temple being rebuilt, instead of identifying the office of the papacy as the beast of Revelation, the Little Horn of Daniel and the Son of Perdition. This is the very reason that the end times 7 year tribulation deception was created by the Roman Catholic Church.
It’s our blessed hope!
Amen and truth believer as well
So do born again believers go through the tribulation or is that something you have given up on too?!?!
Believe that the Lord Jesus died for you and He rose for you. He wiped away your sins. Hang on to your faith and give thanks to our Heavenly Father. Ask for wisdom from the Holy Spirit
*Yeshua
Why on earth would you "tell" someone to believe in " unverified thought?"
Without this Faith through His Blood, the believer will go through the Tribulation.
So when you soon realize that you missed the Rapture of the Church, you will understand that you are a "left behind" and therefore all that will be left is your sacrifice for Jesus Christ to save you. ...it will be a return to parsha A'harei-Mot... you will be the sacrificed scapegoat and Israel the protected scapegoat in the desert.
We must trust in the Blood of Jesus Christ because He shed His BLOOD for us, as the Lamb of GOD. It was freely provided by the Father, to take away the sin of the world. It is the Promise of GOD, made to Adam then to Abraham finally to Israel through Moshe... concerning the destruction of death by His VICTORY over sin on the Cross.
We can only be justified by the BLOOD of CHRIST, the Lamb of GOD, freely provided to us by GOD The Father to take away the sin of the world.
For it is only through His Pure Blood shed on the Seat of Divine Mercy, which is the Ark of the Covenant, that we obtain GOD's Pardon for eternal life in His beloved Son JESUS CHRIST.
The Church will be raptured in a few days, Tuesday June 4, 2024 for the dead in Christ and Wednesday June 5, 2024 for the living. You will be happy to know through my comment above what remains for you to accomplish to have eternal life....
DIE FOR CHRIST AND YOU WILL BE SAVED... but only for the "left behind" therefore after the Rapture of the Church.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL
What exactly did Jesus “sacrifice” and to whom did he make the “sacrifice”
to?
THE RAPTURE WILL CLARIFY THIS
Thank you for the 3 reasons. They seem so convincing. Besides, why did the apostles tell believers to hold fast to their faith in times of trouble if there is no tribulation for them.
Keep The Faith..!!! Man's lack of understanding can cause Believers to stumble. Trust Jesus... believe in His Word... He shall return whether we are living or dead!
Jesus did pray- I pray that you do not take them out of the world
We still have troubles, dont we???
@@pure-blood69 the Apostles....not us. John 17...and..keep them from the evil...
All of Israel's end time prophecy was canceled at Acts 28:28-31 KJV when they were let go by God permanently so all of those warnings and threats of hellfire, etc., disappeared with their kingdom promises. After he let Israel go as a nation, God turned to the whole world and held out a free gift, Ephesians 2:8 & 9 KJV, for the taking by anyone that wants eternal life. The ones that have been hiding the fact that Israel as a nation will never again be God's people are the very ones that get a lot of political and monetary benefits from keeping that fable going! Our end time prophecy is Colossians 3:4 and 1:13 KJV - definitely gonna be great!
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
spotter I think you have been provided wrong information on Dispensational Teaching. Dispensational teaching fully supports a pre-trib rapture and it is fully compatible with keeping Isreal and the Church as being separate.
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New Covenant Whole Gospel: Can you honestly answer the first three questions below?
Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Watch the UA-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
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What does an understanding of the New Covenant do to the Pretrib Rapture doctrine?
Since the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20, how is the New Covenant Church age going to end seven years before the Second Coming of Christ? Why would anyone think God is going back to the Old Covenant system now made “obsolete” by the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:13? We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
"It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view."
(The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.) Tim LaHaye was co-author of the “Left Behind” books and movies which have convinced millions of modern Christians that the Church age ends seven years before the Second Coming of Christ. Recently, Pastor Matt Furse of Mountain View Baptist Church in Custer, S.D. has written a book titled “Which One Is Right?’, which reveals the recent history of the pretrib rapture doctrine, and the fact it does not agree with what is written in the King James Bible.
The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected.
The Greek words for “wrath” and “tribulation” are not the same word, as proven by the verse below.
Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Watch the UA-cam video “Pretribulation Paradox” by former pretrib believer skydiver626.
Yes! Yes! Yes! Finally!!! Thank you!!!!!! Exactly!!!!!
You're welcome!
Interesting take. I still hold to a PreTrib rapture. 1. Because in the days of Noah they were living life as usual before the flood. Rev 6 will be so bad there will no longer be any life as usual. Same with the days of Lot... life as usual, then calamity struck. I do believe Christ is coming to rescue his bride before the great tribulation. 2.The tribulation will be a time of God pouring out His Wrath or anger upon the Earth. God is not angry with me. I am worthy because of the work of Christ, to escape all these things. 3.Telling me that I will have to endure the great tribulation gives me no comfort. How can you comfort me with these words if you are telling me I will have to see most of the world be destroyed? All that to say, If you are a believer, we can talk about it more during the 1000 year reign. As for me, I'm going to meet Him in the air and go back home with Him, like Elijah and Enoch.
@Givonwayne you couldn't have said it any better. Of course there is a pre trib. Jesus did not come to earth to scare us, but to PREPARE us. I am looking for that blessed hope. Praise God
What people don't look at is the same day Noah and his family were rescued, God's wrath not tribulation fell on the earth also in the days of lot God's wrath fell the same day lot and his family left Sodom and Gomorrah, lot lived in tribulation while in Sodom and Gomorrah, he was vexed about it
Noah lived through Tribulation while working on the Ark ,
GODS rescue and wrath fall on the same day , At Christ's second coming God's rescue and wrath come on the same day just as it was in the days of Noah, watch a film by Paul Wittenberg called AFTER THE TRIBULATION, scripture proof there is no pretribulation rapture, As the apostle Paul warned, BE NOT DECEIVED FOR THAT DAY WILL NOT COME UNTIL TWO THINGS HAPPEN, FIRST A GREAT FALLING AWAY, AND THE ANTICHRIST REVEALED, PLEASE RESEARCH THIS,
@@lisacoughlan5189here's something to think about, if God's wrath came on the same day Noah and his family were rescued and lot and his family were rescued the very same day Gods wrath fell, what does this say about his return, ( Christ, s ) just as it was In the days of Noah so shall it be at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, watch a film by Paul Wittenberg called AFTER THE TRIBULATION, scripture proof there is no pretribulation rapture,
Research did Enoch and Elijah really go to heaven without dying,
In the book of Hebrews ch 11 there is a list of people who have died in the faith not having received the promises including ENOCH, ELIJAH was taken Into the air ( the first heaven ) and placed in another location, years later he wrote a letter to king jehorahm HOW ? If he was taken Into the third heaven, many believe that Christ died on a Friday and resurrected Sunday morning
Christ said that he would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights just as jonah was in the belly of the whale 3 days and 3 nights , Christ died on a Wednesday a high sabbath was in the grave that evening and rose from the dead Saturday evening before Sunday morning while it was still dark, research it,
How many other false teachings do you believe? In the last days there will be much deception, doctrines of demons etc, and if it were possible even the very elect would be deceived, read 2nd Timothy 4. 3- 4. Please research this,
@@lisacoughlan5189 TRIBULATION AND WRATH ARE NOT THE SAME THING
TRIBULATION AND WRATH ARE NOT THE SAME THING
Years ago Dr. Walter Martin gave a lecture on this. He took a historical pre millennial view. His arguments were so convincing and as I further studied the scriptures and read another book by Hank Hanegraf called the Apocalypse Code, I abandoned the dispensational position. I still am not sure what eschatological camp I would put myself in, all I know is that He is coming again! Lots of interesting theories out there though.
The man in the video is a liar.
@@wrongfullyaccused7139 It is a deep sin to falsely accuse one of lying. What is your proof?
@@stephenszucs8439 : Proof? Okay. Daniel 9:27 is Jesus.
Goodbye
@@wrongfullyaccused7139 Daniel 9:17 says NOTHING that makes this man a liar. Your statement makes zero sense.
@@wrongfullyaccused7139Dan 9:27. Great!
In my experience week 2 comes after week 1; week3 comes after week 2; week 69 typically follows 68; and week 70, no doubt should follow week 69.
So what verse authorizes you to remove week 70, two thousand years after week 69?
If I can show you how week 70 followed immediately after week 69, would you abandon this rapture nonsense…?
Jesus died on a cross to save us from our sins and his wrath, to put us through the 7 years of his wrath on the whole world? Yea that makes sense.
Were does it say after meeting Him in the clouds your going to heaven?
@@Tavahead Do your own research. ( "and so shall we ever be with the Lord")
Thank you brother for sharing this, I did hear hints of Ben Witherington III in your message, to whom I subscribe to his view on the matter too.
Your explanation is pretty much where I am, about 20 years ago I started to have doubts about the rapture, and then I heard a brother preach that it was a relatively new teaching that JN Darby taught back in the 1800s, all of which you shared here.
I also believe that many try and use Matthew 24 to teach the rapture too, but you have to do a lot of scriptural gymnastics to get to any conclusion to support a rapture, quite simply it doesn't.
In Matthew 24 the disciples get into a dialogue with Jesus about the temple, the end of the age and His coming "While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”
In verse 4-35 Jesus explains in detail what would happen, and when we get to verses 36-41, here we have those verses where Jesus explains 36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." 37 "As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man." what happened in the days of Noah for Jesus to say AS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH?
We have to go to Genesis 6 and 7, and in these chapters, we have a detailed explanation of how God had enough of all humanity because all their hearts were full of wickedness, God commands Noah to build an ark and gives specific instructions, to which Noah follows to the letter, once all was done as God commanded, Noah and his family entered the ark, God sent the rains and the waters from the deep to burst forth and destroy His creation, ALL HUMANITY was destroyed as was all that had the breath of life in their nostrils, they were taken away in judgement and destroyed, to be no more, yet Noah and his family were left behind on the earth, and that is what Jesus meant, AS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH, God's judgement came in the waters that covered the earth and destroyed all life, except Noah and his family.
Back to Matthew 24:38-41 "38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. 39And they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept them all away. So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left." the ones here who are left behind are believers, because those who are taken are taken for judgement, if you try and turn it the other way around, it makes no sense at all and contradicts what Jesus is saying here.
The idea that the Pre-trib rapture is a new invention has been pretty much been shown to be false. There are multiple documents and statements by earlier Christian writers that show it was not a new invention. The new invention idea still persists but is incorrect. An easy search will show the story is false. You have the One taken and One left correct and I aplaude you for your observation. Pre-trib is alive and well in the Christian Church. God Bless
Church Fathers.. Spoke of the rapture.. Even the dead sea scrolls.. Look up Ken Johnson.. It's clear it was taught 100AD
For we are not appointed to His wrath. It is real. How do i know? The Holy Spirit of course. The Holy Spirit is playing wedding songs over me everyday. The Lord has given me many messages that He is coming. I trust Him. Not what man says. What the Holy Spirit is showing me. He is coming for me and He promised me this. GOD NEVER LIES. IM SORRY IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE HARPAZO, RAPTURE, CATCHING AWAY. I DO AND I WILL CONTINUE UNLESS THE HOLT SPIRIT LEADS ME ELSEWHERE.
I once believed in the rapture, because that is what I was taught. I was surprised to discover nowhere does the bible say the church will be raptured to heaven.
Thanks for stopping by and commenting!
Not true
@@TheologyProjectOnline I'm pretty sure you got it wrong about the church bring Jesus to the city. The church is the bride. She prepares herself for the groom. As one of the 5 vergins she is ready when the bride groom calls. The groom, Jesus, has prepared a place in heaven for the bride, the new Jerusalem. Jesus comes and gets His bride and takes her to His place. Then he shuts the door. After the week Jesus and the chuch return to gain full control of the kingdom and to rule it. Thus begins the millennium.
It's there in Thessalonians chapter 2
Yeah I couldn't find the word trinity in the Bible also. I guess that concept just doesn't exist.
Jesus told his disciples if they persecute you in one city flee to the next. When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies flee to the hills. He told Paul in the temple to flee because the Jews won't listen to him. Fleeing is not spoken against in the Bible. David fleed Saul. Elijah fleed Jezzabel. I disagree that Noah was left behind, it was Noah who was floating above the surface of the waters which was the means of God's wrath against the wicked. The wicked were left behind and were distoryed in the flood. Lot was taken out of the cities and those who remained were distoyed when the wrath of God fell on the wicked. In Acts 1 Jesus bodily arose into heaven. Only the disciples saw Him. There is no report of every eye on earth seeing Him ascend. Then the angel said the same way you have seen Him ascend He will return. ?could that mean a return for his own? Just as the ark was filled then the Lord shut the door, before the flood started could this be the same. The rapture then the door, in heaven, is shut. Just as Jesus is now in heaven with a resurrected body so the church could be bodily resurrected and wait in heaven, until the Christ and the bride are revealed to the earth. All creation eagerily awaits the revealing of the sons of God. While the door is shut the bowls of wrath are poured unto the inhabitants of the earth.. then the Lord along with his church return to rule on the earth. At that point every eye will see Him.
The church i grew up in was obsessed with the end times, us kids were terrified of it, growing up with nightmares about being left behind. Which gets caught up with trying to behave right out of fear, instead of having God change us from the Inside out, so we are obedient out of love and knowing what He wants for us isn't out of guilt and shame, but because He wants us to have an over abundance of blessing and what he has for us is always better then what we plan. I can relate with the not even knowing we had an option to opt out of rapture theology, until 12 years ago when I found out its not biblical & the scriptures to support it, didn't even sound like what I was always told it was gonna be. The more I built my own relationship with Jesus and stopped just listening to other Christian's I realized how backwards we get it. We go to others, who do the same thing instead of going to the source. I now understand it more, because there's alot of Pastors that got real comfortable in their role in the church, they forgot Jesus is the head not them. Not all of them but alot. I got excited to understand how much scripture is taken out of context and to start walking in truth not allowing anyone to weaponize scripture and use it to manipulate me. So it was a real wake up call to all of a sudden have my church family turn on me, the more I discovered freedom all these things I was being told I was getting but I was miserable and didn't know the 1st thing about grace or love. And definitely not about the resurrection. Read 1 Corinthians 15 the whole chapter out of the message and I pray God reveals what He showed me, because it's even better then I ever imagined, and He lead me to your video to show me my little family isn't alone, and to share the excitement of our future hope with Heaven on Earth. It's our own personal Eden with Jesus by our side as we honor our Father together. And so much more then anything.... I hope you respond when you see what I'm talking about
Ever think why churches (and politians too) try to instill fear? It's to keep us coming back to them!!! I stopped fearing in order to embrace the joy as promised by Christ.
@@sandy-mr5gjthe last words of Jesus Christ were the Book of Revelation, which talks about the end times. Don’t you think Jesus last words and warnings should be studied and taken seriously?
Jesus is coming on the 7th trump in revelation.
I NOW believe in the Rapture. At first I though just like you but now after careful analysis I 100% believe in a pre-tribulational rapture.
Read Ezekiel chapter 13 18-20 God is against those who teach His children to fly to save their souls, the word rapture is not in the bible, where rapture believers read they will be caught up in the air, in Hebrew air is spirit Jesus will place us into our spiritual bodies and we meet him in our spiritual bodies in the clouds
Thank you. No one ever cites a person in the 1700s, 1600s, 1500s and back who preached, taught, or wrote about a pre-tribulation rapture.
Wrong. Google Ephraem The Syrian 306-373AD .He writes about the pre-trib.
@@edwardcersosimo1905 very poor evidence. Where is the guy in the 1700s? Your reference is not proof only opinion.
Almost nobody has quoted people writing about the rapture going back to the 1600s because almost nobody has looked for that evidence. But an historian name William C Watson did, and he wrote a book about it almost 10 years ago, so it always amazes me that teachers don't drop their claims that such evidence doesn't exist.
@@biblehistoryscience3530 watson’s book is a terrible attempt. Read the whole book. Very sloppy.
@@bcspride , can you give me one example?
Finally, I found someone that agrees with me as well
Oh my, there is a 3 part rapture! There is a pretrib rapture dear believer but not all those that believe in pretrib will go in pretrib.The Philadelphian saints are the church of BROTHERLY LOVE. The bride wants all saints to be harvested with the barley company at pretrib. The bulk of the church will reject the bridal calling. Believers will go to heaven when they are ready to be harvested. The crop must be ready before it can be harvested. Barley and wheat are both grain companies that are both planted at the same time, in the autumn. Barley matures faster than wheat and is harvested in the spring. BARLEY IS THE BRIDE, and she leaves at pretrib. Wheat is harvested in the summer. Wheat is the great multitude church gathered in Rev 7..... THE VIRGINS WITHOUT NUMBER AKA THE INNUMERABLE COMPANY! The final company, caught up at midtrib, before the open door is shut, are the grapes that are gathered at midtrib. The grapes are the 144,000 Jews. The Jews finally believe Christ is their king because they gleaned the truth from the Barley and wheat companies.
If there is a LAST TRUMP, there is a FIRST TRUMP. If there is a high calling, there is a lesser calling. The bridal remnant will be a joint heir as husband and wife. The bulk of the church will be only heirs as children.
The barley bride is taken up in Rev 4 at pretrib, where he tells John, "COME UP HERE!". This is a very small remnant of the church that leaves at pretrib. All christians are called for this HIGH AND HEAVENLY CALLING, but few will be chosen. The bulk of the church is in a DEEP SLEEP like Adam. While Adam ( the church) slept, God was forming a bride from a rib ((TAKEN OUT OF)) Adam. This is a rib portion, a very small remnant that makes up this bridal company.
The bulk of the church has spots and wrinkles in their robes that will be cleaned in the first part of the tribulation period. How do they have wrinkles in their robes? They are in a deep sleep! When you're lying down in these robes, they get wrinkled. They have spots because of false doctrines.
There is a pretrib rapture, and the bulk of the church, like yourself, will reject the truth. The Lord will use this bridal remnant to speak in these last days. This remnant will be a mouthpiece unto God. She will be rejected by the church and the world before she departs.
Hebrews 12:25
[25]See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Isaiah 1:9
[9]Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.
The truth will get many angry. It will be a stark contrast of things you learned your entire life! The verse about John being caught up at pretrib is only one verse, brother. The Lord has it beautifully woven from the Old to the New Testament. We will go to heaven by ranks, just as Paul said.
1 Corinthians 15:23
[23]But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. ORDER MEANS RANKS.
●●●There are 3 stories on Noah's ark for the 3 companies escaping through the open door by rank and order.
Go read it! The world taught us, as a child, that the ark was loaded by 2's. The truth is they first loaded by 7's then by 2's!!!
Genesis 7:2
[2]Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
●●● When Peter had the vision of the fitted sheet with all manner of beasts inside. These are saints from the 4 corners of the earth of every nation and tongue. He saw this sheet come down THRICE....3 TIMES FOR 3 COMPANIES OF BELIEVERS!!
●●● 3 companies of people will be caught up by ranks before the middle of the week....BARLEY, WHEAT, AND GRAPES. The barley company is the ONLY COMPANY that is harvested by WINNOWING. All the remaining companies need a threshing floor of tribulation to do a finishing work before they are caught up. The wheat is CRUSHED by the tribullum board, grapes are TREAD, and olives are PRESSED on the threshing floor of tribulation.
●●● There will be 3 companies of light. He is the LIGHT, and as we take in his Word, we become light. The more we consume, the brighter we become. We decrease, and he increases! The 3 light companies are Sun glory saints, moon glory saints, and star glory saints. Those bridal sun glory saints SHINE WHILE IT IS STILL DAYTIME!
Do I need to ask you when the moon and stars shine?!? The moon and star glory saints shine during the night season of tribulation.
There is so much more. This is only a glimpse of what is in the Word regarding a 3 part harvest.
I've heard so much back n forth on this topic...I'll just be happy with what happens!!
I'm with you!! Every person has a take on the rapture! True or not trust in Jesus, bc his ways are not our ways nor our understanding his!!!😮😮
My sister in law believes in the pan theory. It will all pan out😅
they making us like a pingpong ball.
@@bobbyhendrix8536 i watch lately about it. and yes there is 2nd coming and last final coming of Jesus. the last one will take place in the battle of armageddon.
Be happy with nothing happening then 😂😂
There will be two women grinding grain together - one will be taken and the other left behind.” I tell you, on that night there will be two people in one bed - one will be taken and the other left behind. They asked him, “Where, Lord?” He answered, “Wherever there’s a dead body, that’s where the vultures gather.”
Luke 17.34-37
That’s not the rapture.
The longer I stay listing to utubers, , the more insane it gets...! Have you ever even read Revelation.? You would need to be blind and drunk, not to see how clear the rapture is.! Jesus first return, He come in a cloud and take us up to join Him. That what rapture means.! Taken up...!! We are wanting the rapture, but we are not waiting on it. Why should we, because when we die, straight to the waiting arms of Jesus...! Unless you don't follow, then, Hell bound.!!! Read it for yourself.
Absolutely ! It blows your mind how people fall for false doctrine. Most people have never truly been born again and so they wrestle with the scriptures to their own destruction. 1 Corinthians 2:14 but the natural man receiveth not the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know them for they are spiritually discerned. Without having the Holy Ghost they have no understanding.
I know, my friend. People just don't get it, because they do not listen. Jesus told His Disciples this very thing. The WORD is all there, Jesus made it plain and simple... He who has an ear, let him hear, what the SPIRIT is saying...!! God Bless, if I don't see you before, I will see you when we get HOME.!!! @@apostolicengineer8251
Thank you so very much for this wonderful eye-opening truth.
Love it!!! love it!! thank you
So glad! You're welcome
REV 3 [10] Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
AND NOW THIS:
[11] Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
There are seven churches in Revelation, this one is the Church of PHILADELPHIA, And God is very clear about the JEWS. So we can’t claim to be one of them . If we are not. I would recommend you to read the whole message for this Church. People like to cherry pick what they like from the Bible.
False teachers abound on UA-cam.lts so simple to listen to another preacher’s opinion on the subject. You’d better be a Berean. This man reminds me of a wolf in sheep’s wool.
Pointless video. Uses same excuses to deny Pre-Trib as everyone else who doesn't understand scripture correctly.
Well said. I've been a no rapture person for about 15 years, and it's amazing how when you present this information to people, how they blow you off. Thanks for posting.
The rapture is the Resurrection of the dead in Christ no matter if its pre, mid or post. Its all the rapture, its all the same event there is just debate about the exact TIMING of the event. When you say I don't believe in the rapture you are denying your own resurrection and the entire faith. I always tell people if you hesr ANY bible teacher or preaching saying there is not rapture you need to stop listening right there. Find someone who at least knows enough to distinguish between the different views the timing of the rapture and the rapture itself.
They blow us off when we try to talk to them aboutend times and the rapture as well.
@Orange6921 no, the resurrecting of the dead when Jesus returns is different. I'm not a dispensational premill person, a.ka. John Darby cult. Don't tell me what to subscribe to my friend. Read your Bible.
@@sourclam904 When you just toss out the totally debunked John Darby line you definitely illustrate you are falling into a cult thinking. Anyone can spend 2 minutes google this and see Pe trib rapture was around over 1000 years before John Darby and millions of Christians world wide who never heard of Darby can clearly see evidence for a pre trib rapture in the Bible.
You lose credibility when you you start screaming Darby. No one today believe in pre trib because of a little know man who died over a century ago, they believe in it because they see it in the scriptures. The angry anti pre trib crowd has made Darby more famous than he ever was in his life times 1000.
God would never make anyone go who doesn't want to, you will have what you say you have mark 11:23&24 he would never violate your will. If you declare you will be here for the tribulation you certainly will be.
But for those of us who are watching, Hebrews 9:28 so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many and UNTO THEM THAT LOOK FOR HIM SHALL HE APPEAR THE SECOND TIME without sin unto salvation.
Only those looking for him will he appear to. Pretty straight forward.
Unlike Revelation 1:7
Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM, even those who pierced him, and ALL KINDREDS of the Earth WILL WAIL BECAUSE OF HIM, even so amen.
In this verse every single person on the face of the Earth will see him coming, including the Jews, and all will "wail" because of him.
"Wail" is not a happy word, it is the expression of emotions from those who are overwhelmed and beyond distraught, think of a mother being told her child's demise.
If this is supposed to be the rapture of the church why are they wailing? This is supposed to be their rescue.
Seriously however, this is two separate events.
Thanks for the video. I was taught about the rapture. But, while pondering about it, I came to the same conclusions. Glad to hear I'm not the only one.
There are many who are waking up, more than just to the pretrib rapture theory.
ua-cam.com/video/nboxWhqQd-8/v-deo.html
Oh my, there is a 3 part rapture! There is a pretrib rapture dear believer but not all those that believe in pretrib will go in pretrib.The Philadelphian saints are the church of BROTHERLY LOVE. The bride wants all saints to be harvested with the barley company at pretrib. The bulk of the church will reject the bridal calling. Believers will go to heaven when they are ready to be harvested. The crop must be ready before it can be harvested. Barley and wheat are both grain companies that are both planted at the same time, in the autumn. Barley matures faster than wheat and is harvested in the spring. BARLEY IS THE BRIDE, and she leaves at pretrib. Wheat is harvested in the summer. Wheat is the great multitude church gathered in Rev 7..... THE VIRGINS WITHOUT NUMBER AKA THE INNUMERABLE COMPANY! The final company, caught up at midtrib, before the open door is shut, are the grapes that are gathered at midtrib. The grapes are the 144,000 Jews. The Jews finally believe Christ is their king because they gleaned the truth from the Barley and wheat companies.
If there is a LAST TRUMP, there is a FIRST TRUMP. If there is a high calling, there is a lesser calling. The bridal remnant will be a joint heir as husband and wife. The bulk of the church will be only heirs as children.
The barley bride is taken up in Rev 4 at pretrib, where he tells John, "COME UP HERE!". This is a very small remnant of the church that leaves at pretrib. All christians are called for this HIGH AND HEAVENLY CALLING, but few will be chosen. The bulk of the church is in a DEEP SLEEP like Adam. While Adam ( the church) slept, God was forming a bride from a rib ((TAKEN OUT OF)) Adam. This is a rib portion, a very small remnant that makes up this bridal company.
The bulk of the church has spots and wrinkles in their robes that will be cleaned in the first part of the tribulation period. How do they have wrinkles in their robes? They are in a deep sleep! When you're lying down in these robes, they get wrinkled. They have spots because of false doctrines.
There is a pretrib rapture, and the bulk of the church, like yourself, will reject the truth. The Lord will use this bridal remnant to speak in these last days. This remnant will be a mouthpiece unto God. She will be rejected by the church and the world before she departs.
Hebrews 12:25
[25]See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Isaiah 1:9
[9]Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.
The truth will get many angry. It will be a stark contrast of things you learned your entire life! The verse about John being caught up at pretrib is only one verse, brother. The Lord has it beautifully woven from the Old to the New Testament. We will go to heaven by ranks, just as Paul said.
1 Corinthians 15:23
[23]But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. ORDER MEANS RANKS.
●●●There are 3 stories on Noah's ark for the 3 companies escaping through the open door by rank and order.
Go read it! The world taught us, as a child, that the ark was loaded by 2's. The truth is they first loaded by 7's then by 2's!!!
Genesis 7:2
[2]Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
●●● When Peter had the vision of the fitted sheet with all manner of beasts inside. These are saints from the 4 corners of the earth of every nation and tongue. He saw this sheet come down THRICE....3 TIMES FOR 3 COMPANIES OF BELIEVERS!!
●●● 3 companies of people will be caught up by ranks before the middle of the week....BARLEY, WHEAT, AND GRAPES. The barley company is the ONLY COMPANY that is harvested by WINNOWING. All the remaining companies need a threshing floor of tribulation to do a finishing work before they are caught up. The wheat is CRUSHED by the tribullum board, grapes are TREAD, and olives are PRESSED on the threshing floor of tribulation.
●●● There will be 3 companies of light. He is the LIGHT, and as we take in his Word, we become light. The more we consume, the brighter we become. We decrease, and he increases! The 3 light companies are Sun glory saints, moon glory saints, and star glory saints. Those bridal sun glory saints SHINE WHILE IT IS STILL DAYTIME!
Do I need to ask you when the moon and stars shine?!? The moon and star glory saints shine during the night season of tribulation.
There is so much more. This is only a glimpse of what is in the Word regarding a 3 part harvest.
The primary Scripture passage on the rapture is 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. It states that all living believers, along with all believers who have died, will meet the Lord Jesus in the air and will be with Him forever. The rapture is God’s removing of His people from the earth. A few verses later, in 1 Thessalonians 5:9, Paul says, “For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.” The book of Revelation, which deals primarily with the time period of the tribulation, is a prophetic message of how God will pour out His wrath upon the earth during the tribulation. It seems inconsistent for God to promise believers that they will not suffer wrath and then leave them on the earth to suffer through the wrath of the tribulation. The fact that God promises to deliver Christians from wrath shortly after promising to remove His people from the earth seems to link those two events together.
Another crucial passage on the timing of the rapture is Revelation 3:10, in which Christ promises to deliver believers from the “hour of trial” that is going to come upon the earth. This could mean two things. Either Christ will protect believers in the midst of the trials, or He will deliver believers out of the trials. Both are valid meanings of the Greek word translated “from.” However, it is important to recognize what believers are promised to be kept from. It is not just the trial, but the “hour” of trial. Christ is promising to keep believers from the very time period that contains the trials, namely the tribulation. The purpose of the tribulation, the purpose of the rapture, the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 5:9, and the interpretation of Revelation 3:10 all give clear support to the pre-tribulational position. If the Bible is interpreted literally and consistently, the pre-tribulational position is the most biblically-based interpretation.
Most Translation say "caught up" in chapter 4. Interestingly Latin Vulgate uses rapiemur for caught up or snatch up. I am no Latin expert but appears rapiemur has something to do with the word Rapture!
Correct. Whenever I hear People like the guy in this video say the rapture isn't in the Bible they lose all credibility. Shows they haven't researched. It's there in Latin like you said
I would argue ok, maybe we are caught up literally but it's during one big event, not some secretive event followed by a third coming of christ
Ugh - your video did not help - it sounded like my Methodist friends…..no scripture to back it up
Amen
Can I encourage anyone who doesn’t believe in the rapture to type into UA-cam the rapture grace at work.
Thank you for this...there is not much regarding this. From the moment I was saved at 14 years old I prayed and asked God please do not let me be here in end times. I had so much hope for the rapture. Asking God please let me be one of the ones that is taken. At 58 years old and seeing what is currently playing out in the world and be so heart broken over it all; once again I have been asking God please take me I do not want to be here for this. I simply do not feel strong enough to overcome what is bound to happen to us Christians. Never the less I have recently found on one of the Christian book reviews a comment stating with a link discussing why there will be no rapture and it was something that was created to further confuse us Christians with false teaching. I did go on to understand more only to have had something happen during that time I was studying ...lost the link. When I went back to look it was no longer there nor was it in m history. Ever since than I have been looking to understand truth. I was saved at 14 but it took until I was 56 to really understand even if I was saved I wasn't promised as I continued to live against Gods commands. I also did no read my bible and have a personal relationship with Jesus/God. All this to say I am still learning, and I must say now struggling with this thought. As it means I will possibly have to be here when it all goes down and that scares me. I have read an understood the terrible deaths of believers and followers in Christ from the apostles. I am not also seeing how evil this world truly is and there will be no mercy for us as Christians and true lovers of God's word and God. I am scared.
The tribulations are for those who do not believe in Jesus, our heavenly Father loves us and will protect us if we stand for Him. There is no reason to fear.
Do not be afraid! The Lord said Matt 28:20 "I will be with you always, even unto the end of the age"
Just as God provided for the Israelites in the desert with food (Manna) during their exodus from Egypt. He will provide and care for his believers during the last days. Rest easy! God has got this!!
God promises to protect you and there are multitudes of ways He does that. Take heart, He will be with us.
Read the writings of the very early Church Fathers. Particularly read about Saint Polycarp, who went to his death with humble dignity in the Roman Colosseum. He prayed for 3 hours for the sake of his captors before they took him to Rome. Read about how Saint Paul the Apostle handled persecution. Read about Saint Iraneaus' persecution.
My brother in Christ, these times ARE difficult, and we should *naturally* be scared and dismayed, but our hope *IS NOT OF THIS WORLD!* If we face our own deaths, we do so with the promise given by our Father in Heaven through His Son Jesus Christ in mind! We will be better than fine afterward! Proclaim the greatness of God in the midst of your travail and find your rewards in heaven to be magnified 100-fold!
Christ be with you ❤
NO fear in Christ and there IS A PRE-Irib rapture....SEE 1 Thes. 4..Paul says I tell you by the word of the Lord....that means it is TRUTH!! God bless..and I DO also get scared sometimes too, it is human.
You guys are all wrong. Jesus is coming back soon for His bride. No 7 year tribulation for us :)
I would rather stand with God and be judged by the world than to stand with the world and be judged by God.
I don't believe it because it don't say it in the Bible that should be enough
There's already been 3 Rapture Harpozo in the bible.. Anything is possible with GOD..
The biggest mistake that No rapture people make is mixing when scripture is for the Church or for when it is directed at disobedient Israel. If you mix the two you get a real mess. Israel and the Church are not the same and scripture clearly separates events particularly to their futures.
They also must do away with the dispensations, which they do in order to justify their erroneous claims
" Israel and the Church are not the same" please read romans 11 and then say that again. how can wild branches be grafted into the cultivated tree to replace unfruitful natural branches if the church and israel are totally distinct
@bakedbread9443 Does It say that the whole tree is replaced?
Saved gentiles are spiritual Jews, thus only grafted onto that tree. No replacement takes place. Period.
The most grief I get from professing Christians is about the rapture doctrine and close second is replacement theology, which is wholly RC doctrine.
Wow, spoken like a real approved believer.
The verses that I found the most difficult to let go of the pre-millennial view though, is Matthew 24:40-41 ...one taken and the other left (2 examples given). Really, that passage is the under-pinning thesis of A Thief In The Night series and The Left Behind series. I haven't actually seen The left behind movies, after so many views of A thief in the Night and sequels. (Surely someone remembers the theme song to A Thief In The Night was: I Wish We'd All Been Ready by the late, great Larry Norman). These two verses are fundamentally (and crucially) Rapture verses.
So, what did Jesus mean when He said: Two men in a field, one is taken and one is left, two women grinding with a hand mill, one is taken and one is left?
@TheologyProjectOnline
Remember how often the people are compared to wheat and chaff? I believe a lot of the language of Jesus on this subject draws from the process of thrashing the wheat. The bad, useless chaff is carried away, swept off with the wind while the good wheat is "left behind."
That verse is for the Jews, not the Church.
@@TheMistysFavs
THE JEWS AND THE CHURCH ARE BOTH GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE
PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE LIKE YOU ARE DEEP IN DECEPTION.
PHIL I know my answer will upset some of my fellow pre-tribbers but my understanding of Matt 24:40-41 is that Jesus was clearly not talking about a rapture here but a taking away in Judgement I believe the parallel account in Luke? says where Lord? and adds where the corpse is there the vultures will gather. Those left alive wil populate the New Kingdom.. The rapture of the Church is in no way the topic in the Mount Of Olives for reasons very easily found for the Fact that Jesus did not speak of it because the Deciples never asked about it as they were overwhelmed about the coming destruction and the end of THIER Age. Jesus was clearly answering Jewish questions about Jewish things the temple , Jerusalem, and up coming disaster in Israel. The Church was not the topic. Now don't just poo hoo this. If you separate the dealings with the Church which did not exsist yet and the railing that Jesus had just given the Jewish nation for their rejection it makes perfect sense. Pre-trib stands on previous clear scripture Jesus was not speaking to the Church he was talking to Jewish men who were still in the Dark about the Church. They still believed that Jesus was going to return as some kind of General King with an Army and free Israel from Roman occupation not a religious leader. Please just for a moment review the writings of Matt as in these chapters about the second coming as what it is Jesus coming to rescue a remnant of Israel who survive the Great Tribulation period that was promised to the Nation Israel so that they could call on him whom THEY pierced so that Jesus could return. He cannot return until they acknowledge Jesus. He will return and set up the Kingdom he promised them The Church had been previously raptured before the time of JACOBS trouble. God was not angry with his church so there is no reason for the Church to be present for the tribulation. The Bible makes perfect sense when you understand who Jesus was speaking and what the topic was. Not everything pertains directly to you or the Church. Please try and look at Matt 24 thru Jewish lenses and you will see scripture differently. God bless those with eyes and ears ready to hear truth. I'm not claiming to be without error just asking for understanding that a fresh look may pay you dividends and answer many questions. Mranatha and thank You
I had what you would call “rapture anxiety” and living in fear that my dreams won’t come to of buying a sailing boat and starting a family and travelling I still live with my family *im 20 yes i want to move out* so I searched why it wasn’t possible and I found out it was made in the 1800’s and now I feel a great relief and have been praising my great God Jesus Almighty Christ, if I die I understand but waiting for that consistent “any moment” is anxiety. I even taped pages together for rapture instructions on my wall so in the event of the rapture my family would know what’s happening God Bless
I can understand your feelings. However, I realize that just because the Rapture doctrine is not true does not mean Christ's return isn't, and that it will happen eventually, quite possibly cutting time shorter than we might imagine. Even so, I can't think of a single thing I want to do or see on this earth that is larger than my dream of eternal life.
Many doctrines only came about within the last few hundred years. Calvinism, one saved always saves. Dates of doctrines don’t make it true or not true.
So you had anxiety because you love this world and want earthly thing? 🤦♀️
@@Sirach144ummm... yes it does... the church has either had the truth or not
@@bigtobacco1098
The church is all true believers not people within its denominational system.
I still believe in the rapture cause the Bible teaches it
When you study the Foundational Dispensational Bible Passages, they say the OPPOSITE of what God is trying to communicate to His People!!!
My story is much like yours. I believed the rapture (dispensational) view of prophecy most of my life. I believed it because that’s all I was ever taught, and I did not know enough to challenge it, nor did I even know that I could challenge it. After getting interested into studying the Bible to validate my beliefs for myself, I found that my view of prophecy was COMPLETELY wrong. It was a journey, I am still working it all out, but I had to let go of all the things I had always known. I now hold a preterist view of prophecy and I am confident that my beliefs are Biblical. EVERY Christian should study the Bible and know it for themselves. We are all accountable to God to know Him and HIs word. Most Christians DO NOT do this, I was one of them... NEVER again. Thank you for your video!
Pretribulation rapture is taught throughout the Old Testament and the New Testament
@@CarolChisena Where??
I hope you’ll give some consideration to the idea that Israel’s prophecy was simply canceled and a dispensation of Gentile grace commenced until Christ appears (Colossians 3:4 KJV) and receives his inheritance from his Father - the earth restored to its original glory, the “kingdom of his dear Son,” Colossians 1:13 KJV; and all the faithful saints of time past and believers that are “in Christ” by faith become the “one new man,” of Ephesians 2:15 KJV that will live there forever with him.
@@dfkuz As I said in my first response a month ago, I used to believe in the dispensation view of prophecy. Then I learned how wrong I really was. Even though it NEVER made sense to me, I believed because that’s all I’d ever heard. But the truth is, this is one of the biggest lies of our time in Christian movements. There is NO distinction between Israel and the church… PERIOD. The only distinction we see in scripture is between Jews and Gentiles/Greeks. But that distinction was dissolved by the work of Jesus Christ. There is no "gentile age" or "Church age" that will end soon. He's Kingdom is forever. He put an end to the wall between Jews and Gentiles. In Christ WE ARE ALL THE SAME: “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Galatians 3:28-29) Israel’s prophecies WERE NOT canceled or postponed… they were completely fulfilled in the work of Jesus Christ in that very generation. And He came back in the first Century in that time… just as He said He would.
@@hike2024 Whatever Floats Your Boat Dude
I also believed in the Rapture, from hearing preachers on TBN back in the 90s...... but than realised that from the beginning people and even people of God went thru tribulation and trials, why would we be sparred????? That convinced me...
Because we are His bride. A groom would not make His bride go through the worst time in history & then marry her. Ask the Lord to show you. ✝JEREMIAH 29:13
@abelyerikaguerra1540 - Jesus told us we would go through tribulation in this world (John 16:33), and He told us there would be a "Great Tribulation," which is not the same thing. The Church has, in fact, endured many tribulations since its inception, first from the Jews who rejected Christ as their Messiah and then the Romans and countless others throughout the centuries; this is the tribulation in the world Jesus was speaking of in John. In Matthew, Jesus references the "Great Tribulation," which is directed specifically at the unbelieving, the Jew first and also the Gentile. This Great Tribulation has nothing to do with the Church because the Church is the Bride of Christ who believes He is the only begotten Son of God (John 3:18) and will not suffer wrath from God (John 3:36).
Insight into this Great Tribulation is presented by a Prophet Jesus refers to in Matthew 24:15-Daniel, who spoke of the "Desolation of Abomination" (Daniel 9:27; 11:31: 12:11), which is very specific to the Jews because it concerns an event within the Temple.
Noah and his family were spared. Lot and his family were spared also.
@abelyerikaguerra1540 You wrote, " than realised that from the beginning people and even people of God went thru tribulation and trials..."
It's important to note that Jesus makes a clear distinction between the tribulations of this life (John 16:33) and the Great Tribulation (Matthew 24:21). Too often, Christians think it's all about them, but they haven't read their Bible very well then, have they?
Understanding Jesus' reference to the Great Tribulation, which is drawn from Daniel (12:1), and the Abomination of Desolation, which Daniel references several times, is crucial. Note that Daniel 9:24-27 is not about the Church; it is specific to Israel and Jerusalem, "Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city..." The "weeks" are sevens, in Greek, heptads (Hebrew - Shabua) of years. Seven and sixty-two are 69 sevens from the decree to Messiah the Prince (Matthew 21-23) After which Messiah is cut off in Daniel 9:26 (crucified). The final seven includes the 42 months the Dragon (Antichrist) will reign as the final Gentile king (Revelation 13). Don't forget, Daniel 2 and 7 speak of the final Kingdom which will never perish, but is eternal.
None of the final tribulation for the world (Revelation 3:10) is the destiny of the Bride of Christ; the apostate Church on the other hand, yes, but the Bride of Christ, no! Wrath is for the unbelieving (John 3:18, 36) and was never meant for the Bride of Christ (Romans 5:9; 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10; 5:9).
Comfort One Another ~
Good points here-thanks for your perspective. When I read or have read the Thessalonians text in the past I just didn’t “see” a rapture there at all. I’ve always felt Paul was talking about the 2nd coming here. When presented with this text as “justifying” or explaining the doctrine of the rapture, I just felt “it’s a stretch.” Folks will believe what their itching ears want to believe. Another reason I have found it difficult to accept the rapture is that such an event would lead to massive chaos and that is simply inconsistent with the view of God as presented in the Bible. And lastly it’s been the dominant theme of the Bible that we must go through times of trial & tribulation not be whisked away. Instead the Bible tells us to trust & depend on the providence of God. Again I simply don’t see a rapture as a biblical alternative to human trials. In Jesus’s Olivet discourse we hear of no such view & and I think if the rapture was to occur, surely our Lord would have told us…. Those are my reasons for not accepting the rapture. 😅
the only thing that define rapture is in the revelation. but not as what we all know about ascending in heaven. it is the mark of God that we all will be safe/save from the wrath of God when the final person will take the mark of God. both mark of the beast and mark of God will give to us. its like taking the blue pill or the red pill kinda scenario where you gonna have a choice to accept the beast or God. the choice is not easy. like in revelation if you take the mark of the beast you can buy and sell. while taking and acepting Gods mark will make you suffer here in this world. we dont know how long we will suffer because it is the test for us how we really Love God. for rich or poor, for sickness and in health if we can endure it then we are save from wrath of God when the 7 seal will start opening one by one.
Rapture is a pipe dream, a fable created by protestant churches to mislead people along the broad way to destruction (Matt 7:13-15). Our Lord said, "Whoever does not take up his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me (Matt 10:38). No slave is greater than his master. If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you (John 15:20). Particularly Our Lord said, "If those days had not been shortened, no one would be saved. But, for the sake of the elect, they will be shortened." If the rapture is true, why is there a need to shorten the days?
Catechism #675 and 677 of the Catholic Church state that, before the second coming of Christ, the Church MUST follow Her Lord to Calvary, Death, and Resurrection for purification and renewal of the Church and world. The fulfillment of this Dogma is here, as we are now living through the prophesied events in 2 Thes 2:1-12 and the mystery of the iniquity (2 Thes 2:7) -- that's why we have had two popes (one True -- Benedict XVI; and the other false, as seen in the vision of Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich and prophesied by St. Francis of Assisi, non-canonically elected and destroyer), and great apostasy (2 Thes 2:3) in the Church. God never allows anything to happen before revealing them through his prophets (Amos 3:7) so that His faithful ones may be prepared for the events.
With the passing of Benedict XVI (on 12/31/2022), the restrainer, Katechon, has been removed and, therefore, the antichrist will soon appear in public (2 Thes 2:7-8), who will be the head of the 1 world religion, followed by schism after the denial of real presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist by a false pope, banning of the daily Sacrifice of the Mass (Daniel 12:11), abomination of desolation (Matt 24:15), and fiercest persecutions of the Church (Rev 12:17, 13:10) for 3.5 years (Daniel 12:11-12, Rev 12:14). But God will protect His Church as promised in Matt 16:18, "the gates of Hell shall not prevail against Her" and His faithful remnants (Ps 91). All prophecies of the end times will be fulfilled as written in our generation.
After the Schism, the Church will elect the last pope in St. Malachy's prophecy, 'Peter, the Roman', who will lead the Church through the Antichrist's persecutions, during which the Church will go underground, like the early Church during the Roman persecutions. All prophecies related to the end times in both Old and New testaments are about the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church Church, Our Lord founded (Matt 16:18-19). They have nothing to do with protestant churches which are false ones. Why follow wolves in sheep's clothing and risk your eternal salvation? Come to His Only Church, His Only Sheepfold (John 10:16), so that you may hear His Voice, truly know and follow Him and be saved (John 10:27-28)? Please come quickly and be among His faithful remnant before it is too late! May God open your eyes, bless you, and lead you to Him. Amen!
tomsampson, Jesus did talk about the rapture in Matt 24-25. For example, the days of Noah, the thief in the night, and the ten virgins.
Actually those passages and most everything in the synoptic Gospels and the last (everything except when Jesus is speaking to the Churches in the very first part) of Revelation is NOT for the Church. (The Bride) It's for those left behind by the rapture and mostly for the Tribes of Israel -- which once again becomes the main thing after the Church is removed by the Rapture. It's a different (final earthly) dispensation, with it's own game plan and Star -- the Jewish people! If you really consider it, this is the best argument for a pre-tribulation Rapture. The Church must be removed so that God's chosen people can once again take the stage!
Check out Les Feldick and Robert Breaker on Dispensational Eschatology. They are the best ones I have found that are still around that can explain it clearly and concisely, and neither is crazy, and unfortunately that's something you have to watch out for these days. Love to all and I can't wait to meet you! 🙏✝️👑✝️🙏
@@sammcrae8892 meaning the jewish people in the final days will accept Jesus as there real Messiah and rebuild the temple/Christianity that Jesus created in his time?
I believed in the rapture by default because thats what everyone around me believed. I never knew anyone thought otherwise until i had been saved at least 3 years. Then, someone said the idea doesnt exist in the bible. My initial reaction was scoffing, since "everyone" couldnt be wromg, but i went bsck to the bible and it didnt take long to realize, oh my goodness. The concept literally doesnt exist! We were going to meet Christ in the air at the end, yes, but the idea of everyone randomly dissapearimg at some unknown point in history? Nowhere.
Weve got to get our doctrine from the Bible, not hollywood or popular opinion
Here are a few more reasons for you !
Psalm 37:34... Wait on the Lord, and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land, when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it.
Pr 2:22..But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.
Psalm 104:35... Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more.
Psalm 34:16... The face of the Lord is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth.
Psalm 37:9-11... For evil doers shall be cut off, but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be, yea thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth.
Psalm 37:22.... for such as be blessed if him shall inherit the earth and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.
psalm 10:30.. the righteous shall never be removed, but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth.
Matt 13:41... The son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his Kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity. ( in this verse we can clearly see what our king meant when he said that one will be taken and the other left. He was talking about the wicked being removed ! )
Enoch 1:1... The words of the blessing of Enoch wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous who will be living in the day of tribulation when all of the wicked and godless are to be removed
the rapture is for the wicked !
Revelation 3:10
Because you have kept My command to preserve, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
Maranatah, the Lord is coming and his bride will be taken away!!!!
I have a similar experience as you in ditching the rapture theology. 1- I never understood how they supported the rapture theology but only accepted it because that was the predominant theology held within my surroundings. When I realized there were other ideas, I compared scriptures to other’s theology and found the partial preterist theology to be much stronger and clearer while the rapture argument was extremely weak with little scriptural support. 2- preterist theology was stronger on their argument concerning the tribulation while the rapture theology I learned was a long spaghetti string on verses from all over scripture to create a narrative that was still unsupported by scripture. If the tribulation was wrong then so was the rapture theology. 3- rapture theology made no sense in why rapture a specific amount of people from tribulation when the first century church suffered greatly during their time of tribulation to include those who were Martyred during the mid century. What made us so special?
Buy bible and beg God to teach you how to study it.
@@wrongfullyaccused7139 Do you need a mirror?
@@stephenszucs8439 :Nope. Followed God's advice and judged myself first. Then again, you have reminded me that the word of God means nothing to you. Otherwise, you would have taken the time to study it.
Enjoy the Great tribulation you so richly deserve.
@@wrongfullyaccused7139 I have studied all of my life. There is zero, literally ZERO reason in the BIBLE to believe a magical, mystical pre-trib flight from the planet.
The ONLY way to "divide the Word" and come up with the fantasy of "Name it and claim it" and/or a pre-trib escape is by eisegesis, ignoring the grammar, and violently ripping apart chapters, verses, and sentences so the 1/2 is for Jews and the rest for us. That is textural abuse!
Worse, there is the re-imagining of simple historical narratives into eschatological "hints," (Ruth stops being about the bloodline of the Lord and the example of kinsman redeemer and becomes a "picture of a rapture.") And the extreme straw grasping of "john's DREAM was a rapture." And finally, out-right dishonest scholarship of "I FOUND pre-trib opinions in the early church fathers' writings" which turned out to a sentence here and there, ripped out of context.
And, as for knowing the Bible: One does not "deserve the tribulation " for NOT believing a thing that is NOT in the Bible. That is an insane opinion that is spawned by pride.
@@wrongfullyaccused7139 you brother lack grace, you should listen to yourself, your judgemental attitude is abhorrent, and you sound like a Pharisee, only God can judge our hearts, and you are not omniscient, and you like the Pharisees search the scriptures in the same way as them for head knowledge, you seem to know a lot about the bible, and yet speak as if you don't know Christ, take your judgemental attitude elsewhere if you can't be civil, and you may think you are doing God's bidding, well you quite simply are not, he doesn't need your help, nor mine, but because He is gracious, He so chooses to use us, so show love and grace for your fellow sisters and brothers, even if we don't agree with each other,
I always believe “teachers” that tell me not to believe in the plain interpretation. The Thessalonians text is very straight forward, if you had a child read it, they would tell you that Jesus is going to catch us up in the air.
I always get my interpretation from 3 years old
Read Daniel 9:24-27 and ask yourself:
Does it mention a 2,000 year gap in between week 69 and week 70?
Does it use the word “Antichrist”?
Does it specify that an Antichrist will make a peace accord with Israel?
Does it speak of an end times 3rd temple being rebuilt?
Did the passage mention an Antichrist who will proclaim that he is god?
Does it use the word “tribulation”?
Did the passage mention the RAPTURE of the Church?
The answer is NO,
If you insist that the 70th week of Daniel has not been fulfilled, then read Daniel 9:24-27, and ask yourself these questions.During which week of the seventy-week prophecy did Messiah carry out his multiyear ministry? And in which week did He die for our sins? If you’re honest with the text, you’ll see that the only place for those events is in the 70th week.
The enemy’s end times deception is based on the concept of a futuristic 70th week of Daniel. It causes people to look for an end times one-man Antichrist,the rapture and 3rd temple being rebuilt, instead of identifying the office of the papacy as the beast of Revelation, the Little Horn of Daniel and the Son of Perdition. This is the very reason that the end times 7 year tribulation deception was created by the Roman Catholic Church.
ah yes, the "plain interpretation" that no one saw for over 1700 years
@@bakedbread9443it was hidden it was a mystery. Geez read your bible.
I was raised Roman Catholic and there was nothing in my teachings that talked about a rapture. It's an invention by evangelical preachers whose congregations have only learned of the bible through their "preacher" and not actually reading it themselves.
Do Roman Catholics read the Bible for themselves?
“And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.” (Matt. 8:26)
O ye of little faith, why would anyone who truly believes in Christ fear the tribulation or even death for that matter? To live is Christ to die is gain (Philip. 1:21). Don’t you have the Holy Spirit, the seal of God (Eph. 1:13) in you? O ye of little faith!
Let’s keep this simple: First the word “rapture” is found nowhere in the Bible. So where does this theory come from? The misinterpretation of Matthew 24:36-41. Take a closer look.
Matthew 24:36-41 parallels Luke 17:26-37 (one taken, one left behind). In verse 17:37, the apostles specifically ask Christ where the ones being taken are going as it is written:
“And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?” So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.” (Luke 17:37)
Now, based on Christ's answer, does this sound like anyone is being taken up into heaven? Nope! It sounds more like Jeremiah 7:33 where it is written:
"And the dead bodies of this people WILL BE FOOD FOR THE BIRDS of the air, and for the beasts of the earth, and none will frighten them away." (Jer. 7:33).
Christ’s answer also sounds like a verse in the Book of Revelation where it is written:
"Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the supper of the great God, that you may EAT THE FLESH of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them, and THE FLESH OF ALLL PEOPLE, FREE AND SLAVE, BOTH SMALL AND GREAT” (Rev. 19:17-18)
To simplify the teaching if you still don’t get it, just read Matthew 13 explains it best (it’s the same story; the parable of the wheat and the tares). Who is taken first? Or read Psalm 37, it is self-explanatory.
Christ said upon his return it would be like the days of Noah for a reason. Who was taken and who was left behind? The evil ones were taken away in the flood and Noah with his family (God’s chosen) were kept safely in the ark on earth.
We see the same scenario manifest with the plagues of Egypt in Exodus. The Egyptians were affected, the Israelites (God’s chosen) were protected by God and were not afflicted.
Again, in the fall of Jericho: Rehab and her family (those who helped God secure the victory) were kept in safety while the rest of the city was destroyed.
Again, in Sodom and Gomorrah: Lot and his family (chosen) were taken to a place of safety while the wicked ones in the cities were destroyed.
How many times does the Lord have to repeat himself? The world continues to look and look, but still can't see.
"The meek will inherit the earth" (Matt. 5:5).
One of the greatest problems with the rapture up to heaven theory is that heaven is not, and has never been, the reward of the saved. Christ said, “The meek shall inherit the earth” (Matt. 5:5). The promise of the saved is eternal life (John 3:16). If you read the Bible for yourself like I did, you will find there isn’t one single Bible verse that says we “go up to heaven” (the throne of God). Not a single one!
“THEN the Son of Man WILL APPEAR, COMING in a cloud with great power and glory. WHEN these things BEGIN to happen, STAND UP AND RAISE YOUR HEADS, BECAUSE YOUR SALVATION IS NEAR.” (Luke 21:27-28)
Christ said clearly, “raise your heads because your salvation is near”. Everyone will still be on the earth! This is the 7th / last trumpet (1 Cor. 15:51-52). Christ tells us himself we will be on the earth at his return and the pre-trib rapture is a lie! Scripture can’t be broken (John 10:35). Christ said it and any true Christian should believe what Christ said, not the fabrications and inventions of men or their “eisegesis”. There is no room for debate with the word of God as that would be complete and utter foolishness.
Christ already predicted the world would come up with the foolishness of the rapture up into heaven. In his own statement of fact, Christ NEVER advocated the rapturing of His followers out of the world to be taken up to heaven for it is written:
“I DO NOT ASK YOU TO TAKE THEM OUT OF THE WORLD, but I do ask you to KEEP THEM SAFE from the Evil One.” (John 17:15) How clear!
Doctrine must come from the Word of God, NOT the teachings of men!
Are you going to continue to believe in false teachings or the word of God?
Repent for the kingdom of God is near!
David Wilkerson believed in the we cant lose rapture. In other words if we have to go through some or all of the tribulation Jesus will strengthen us and walk with us until it is His time for the rapture. Rather pre mid or post His timing is perfect. The elect will be saved the devil is not strong enough to snatch us out of God's hands. Fear not.
Excellent breakdown; thank you. I subscribed to your channel-keep up the good work!
This man is a false teacher. He basically is looking for the anti christ. Not me I’m looking for Jesus Christ.
I was raised in Orthodox Church and never heard of rapture until I was born again in 1980 but didn’t fully understand just took it at face value and never gave it deep thought .. frankly it did not interest me much as I was far more interested in Jesus I literally fell in love with Him and I must’ve read my Bible cover to cover few times simply couldn’t put it down and several different translations later still nothing sparked my interest in rapture as I was far more interested in how should we now live. Couple of years ago I heard Gary Demar & Kenneth Gentry on the topic and I fully agree with both. Also RC Sproul 12 videos on crisis in eschatology. This rapture thing is such a boring subject to me and always has been. It’s replaced Jesus with Israel, end times, rapture etc. The scriptures are all about Jesus & the Gospel.. making disciples!!
It’s time the church got back to her true purpose in this world and listened afresh to the words of Jesus & His commands.
Amen Nora. Spot on.
Nora Isaac Miller, a betrothed who claims to love the Bridegroom but isn’t interested in the wedding celebration, or even in moving away with him?
@@biblehistoryscience3530 - I'm sure Nora can speak for herself, but if I may presume to interject on her behalf in the meantime ...
The straw man you have erected barely passes muster, and your concluding ?'n mark is more than justified. It isn't so much that Nora has no interest in the things you mention, but rather that she rejects _your_ novel spin on them. IOW, a pre-advent advent is not a fundamental prerequisite for their realisation. She simply doesn't share your underlying assumptions about how the endtimes will unfold, and her position is perfectly consistent with both the Biblical evidence and all the historic creeds of the faith.
It is John Nelson Darby's 19thC creation k/a Dispensationalism that introduced the novelties you are defending here. The onus is therefore on you to prove your departure from the historic faith of the church, not on Nora to prove hers.
@@eriobotrya, most people who say they love Jesus have either never heard of the marriage supper of the Lamb in Heaven or aren’t bothering to be prepared for it. And there is a growing number of those who have heard but assertively reject their invitation because of false teachings.
Case in point, false Darby conspiracy theories that were invented in the mid-19th century then embellished and marketed by a reporter named Dave MacPherson starting in the 1970s. But an actual historian named William Watson recently documented (“Dispensationalism Before Darby” 2015, 2020) hundreds of sources from archives that prove the doctrines of Dispensationalism and the Rapture were rediscovered soon after the Protestant Reformation when common people got access to Bibles and had the freedom to discuss what God said rather than what church rulers claimed.
The “historic faith of the church” on this topic which you refer to is the Roman Catholic doctrine that was little changed by Reformed leaders who simply appropriated the powers that popes had claimed, powers to supposedly rule the world on Christ’s throne until the end of time.
@@biblehistoryscience3530
I understand your point but the thing is rapture and the end times fiction has nothing to do with following Christ believing in His atonement for us sinners.
The future is on every body’s mind .. from horoscopes & tarot cards & psychics to prophetic soothsayer of all stripes & religions. Have you considered how many will become hardcore skeptics once they discover the holes in their interpretations of scripture regarding rapture? Have you thought how many times these false prophets have changed their minds about end times?
They’re interpreting end times by the news bulletins.
Satan speaks eloquent and has deceived many.
Can’t wait for the totally biblical promised PRETRIBULATION RAPTURE…our BLESSED HOPE, in which Jesus tells us to WATCH! Also, we are to COMFORT ONE ANOTHER.
I absolutely cannot wait. Praise the Lord!!!
I fully agree with what you have said, because I believe the same. About 15 years ago, I began to question this so-called "rapture", and the more I found out, the more I studied.
Here is a short teaching that I developed just yesterday, among many others, that I would share with others.
The following scripture references are used by the “Pre-Trib” folks to justify their beliefs and false doctrine.
1. See Matthew 24:29-31.
“29Immediately after the tribulation of those days[which are outlined in Matthew 24:4-28]:
‘The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. ’
30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven[the First Heaven, that is, the sky above], and all the tribes of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven[the First Heaven, that is , the sky above], with power and great glory.d 31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet[this is the trumpet of God, the last trumpet to be sounded] call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other[see also Mark 13:27 for a clarification].
2. See Mark 13:24-27. KJV - Notice, no mention of trumpet sounded.
“24But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 26And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
3.See Luke 21:25-27. Notice, no mention of gathering together of believers; no mention of trumpet sounded.
“25And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.”
4. The Gospel of John, does not mention the Second Coming nor tribulation.
5. 1 Corinthians 15:51-52.
51“Behold, I tell you a mystery[a divine secret], we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed [according to 1 Corinthians 15:54], 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet;[as shown in Matthew 24:31]; for the trumpet[the Last Trumpet],will sound and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we[all True Believers] will be changed[receive our “glorified” body, just as Jesus has: See 1 John 3:2].
6. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
“13Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope[that is the unbelievers, who have rejected the Gospel]. 14For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep[died with faith] in Him.”
15”By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the [Second and only remaining]coming of the Lord will by no means precede those[True believers] who have fallen asleep[died physically]. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain[at the Second and only return of Jesus] will be caught[gathered] up together with them in the clouds[as noted in Matthew 24:31] to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.”
7. The “Great Trumpet” or “trumpet of God” mentioned in the above verses, is the last trumpet which Jesus blows at His “Second Coming”, dispatching His angels to gather His elect[True Believers from Adam to the time of His Second Coming].
7. Acts 1:9-11.
“9After He had said this, they watched as He was taken up, and a cloud hid Him from their sight. 10They were looking intently into the sky as He was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven.[noted in Matthew 24:30; 1 Corinthians 15:52; 1 Thessalonians 4:16].
8. All of the scriptures quoted in the three scriptures above, are cohesive with each other, that is they are in agreement, because it is the Word of God.
9. The real problem with the Pre-Trib advocates is, they misunderstand the following scripture, which is not difficult to interpret, provided we are not assuming that what we have been taught is correct.
With the sounding of the Seventh Trumpet, the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation has come to and end.
See Revelation 12:15.
“Then the seventh trumpet sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our LORD and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.
“The Seventh Trumpet” mentioned in Revelation 12:15, is the “last trumpet judgment, and is not the same trumpet stated in Matthew 24, 1 Corinthians 15, and 1 Thessalonians, as the Pre-tribbers are taught.
There are six other trumpets of judgment mentioned in previous verses of Revelation 8:7,8,10,12, and Revelation 9:1,13. -
The sounding of the seventh and final trumpet judgment, signals the start of the “Great Tribulation” - which is the last three and one-half years.
10. The confusion or misinterpretation of Revelation 12:15, is a common problem among those who believe or have been taught about a “Pre-Tribulation” rapture, which is total misinformation and incorrect understanding of the referenced scriptures.
What is overlooked in this verse is the fact that not only verse 15 of Revelation 11, but verses 16 to 19 are given for the following reason only:
With the sounding of the seventh trumpet, the Great Tribulation begins, which is the final 3 and 1/2 years of the seven year period.
Seven is the number of perfection and completion (cf. Ps.12:6; 119:164; Prov.6:16; 9:1),
While the first six trumpets announce and commence warning judgments of ascending intensity and longevity during the Tribulation's first half, the seventh trumpet opens the longest and most intensive warning judgment of all, namely, the Great Tribulation itself.
For the Great Tribulation is the ultimate admonition to prepare to meet with God, for He is coming at the end of that final three and a half years in the Person of the conquering Messiah who will mete out vengeance to His adversaries even as He brings deliverance to His people (cf. 2Thes.1:3-12).
That is why all of the other events and proclamations in this paragraph, Revelation 11:15-19, directly connect the sounding of the seventh trumpet and the Great Tribulation's commencement to that glorious future day.
11. The seventh trumpet is the Great Tribulation, the final twilight of the devil's rule soon to be dissolved by the brilliant light of the Day-Star's dawning as our Lord returns and takes up His millennial rule in Jerusalem.
Each of the sections of Revelation chapter 11:15-19 speak to this same central point, even as each adds additional details.
The proclamation of verse 15b puts into words the underlying meaning of the 7th trumpet, namely, the imminent judgment upon the world, its evil, and present evil ruler with the victorious return of the rightful King.
Hope this can help someone.
I have many more teachings on the pre-trib rapture heresy. I enjoyed your outstanding presentation, it was simple and to the point.
Great write up and opinion
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You used Rev 12:15 instead of 11:15 by mistake
Can you explain Jesus saying that he will come as a thief in the night for the ones who are not watching? How would he be a thief in the night when everything around us is pointing that we are in the last years. So when does he come as a thief in the night? I’m not saying I disagree with your point, I’m just a guy seeking the truth
@@dielawnpb If you have a look at the Parable of the ten Virgins, and what follows here, you will have an understanding of the "thief in the night". All of the main issues which pertain to the need for spiritual alertness during the Tribulation are covered here in the parable of the ten virgins.
1)The ten represent believers[five wise & five foolish] during the Tribulation,
2)The light of their lamps: See Psalm 119:109, represents their faith,
3)The arrival of the bridegroom represents Christ's 2nd Advent return, and
4)The oil[God’s Word] - which runs out, or is depleted from their hearts before He[Jesus Christ] arrives, and causes the five foolish virgins to miss the celebration; it represents the truth of the Word of God taught by the Spirit which feeds and empowers faith, keeping it awake and alert.
Constant study, and application to our lives of God’s Word[the oil], will not deplete the light of our lamps[our faith] rather, our lamps[our faith] will grow brighter with each passing hour and day.
The phrase emphasized in verse 13 above, "keep watch", means, more precisely translated, "stay awake!", and refers to the need to maintain one's faith during those trying times ahead.
@dielawnpb - If you are old and have many illnesses, you know your time is coming, you know it's knocking at the door, but you really don't know the day and the hour when it will be. Jesus told us the "Season", the "times", he gave us an idea with hints of the world state, not the exact "day and hour". It's like saying "I will come visit you when the leaves in the trees show many colors, and the wind starts to cool, and the Sun no longer burns your brow" - you know I'm coming in the Fall, but you don't know what date and time I'm ringing the door bell. Hope this helps. God Bless
When you realize like I did that Israel lost her kingdom because she rejected her king in Acts 28:28-31, then you'll also realize that all of those scriptures are also canceled just like Israel is! So not a problem! Zero in on OUR scriptures in Ephesians and Colossians because that is what is going to happen. God is looking forward to it and so should we!
Thank you for this message. The Lord gave me eyes to see and ears to hear. I tried explaining no rapture to my pentecostal family and I'm sure they are still praying for my soul.
Don't give up on family. Just keep being the example.
I've tried leaving positive comments on rapture theorie videos and trust me, they eat me up alive. Like it says, if Jesus was persecuted, so will you. Stay strong in the Lord and plant seeds accordingly.
Rapture VERY soon. ⚡⚡
@@luciferlucero Unfortunately, not quite mate. Many things must transpire before His second coming. Have you not read? Or you go about what man says. Traditions of man usually lead to disappointments, failure, and deception. But don't take my word for it, take God's word for it.
Read again. No one will be flying away anywhere.
I was told by Christ Himself. You are mistaken. I love you though! It's soon soon! ⚡⚡
@@luciferlucero Hey, not coming down on you my brother. It is imminent, but all in His timing, not ours. Stay strong. Be a watchman for God.
YESSS!!! Thank you!!! Im new to your channel but subbed! I hope you can further discuss the detriment this theory can have to believers.
We are living in the "falling away" times. This man is deceived by satan and is doing his bidding. You want to sub to a man that has gone from "pre-trib rapture" to doesn't believe in it anymore? Wrong move you made. This person claims to be saved but his testimony will be shown to every one at the Bema Seat of Christ and he will have loss of rewards. satan is stealing his crowns for not standing on "sound doctrine".
It is false all the way the around. John Darby created it. CHRIST HAS ALREADY RETURNED AND HIS NEW NAME IS BAHA'U'LLAH AND HIS FAITH IS CALLED THE BAHAI FAITH. REVELATION 3:12.."MY NEW NAME".
I've been told repeatedly by Evangelical-Dispensationalists over my lifetime that:
"The Rapture will occur within one generation of the founding of Israel in 1948" when this prophecy was supposedly fulfilled: "I will put my Spirit IN YOU and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land." (Holy Spirit/faith in Jesus FIRST then return to Land).
So, I will become a Dispensationalist if these things are completed before the year 2029.
(Generation: Bible says that a generation is 40 Years (Heb 3:9-10). A current Israeli Jew of Caucasian DNA has a lifespan of 80 years.)
1. Damascus is leveled.
2. All of the walls in Israel are removed.
3. Russia begins a horse breeding & archery training military program with Ethiopia et al to take Israel's cattle & then loses badly & then the Israelis will stop using "wood for fuel" and use the Russian bows "for fuel."
4. God builds a third temple and resumes the Old Covenant & animal sacrifice.
5. The "Antichrist" makes a "peace treaty" with Israel for seven years.
6. The "Antichrist" enters the Holy of Holies and commits a major abomination.
7. An army begins breeding a few million horses into 200,000,000 (There are only 60M in the whole world) that have trained soldiers to ride them. (Only 1M can fit in the valley of Megiddo.)
Again, ALL must happen before 2029.
Here's why I STILL BELIEVE in a pre-tribulation rapture:
In 1 Thessalonians 4:17, Paul writes "After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever."
According to Strong's concordance 728, the Greek word for "caught up" is harpazo, which has a literal meaning "to seize, carry off by force, catch up, snatch out". I have a hard time believing Paul meant it metaphorically. The use of the word harpazo obviously meant the phrase should be taken literally.
Maranatha ✝️
In 2016, ALL the Pentecostal Rapture Prophets on mainstream Christian Network TV, proclaimed Trump, CHOSEN BY GOD to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem, so the Sanhedrin can renew their rituals of smoke and blood for the re-mission of our sins, and thus NEGATE Jesus and the cross. 100's of millions of Christians DECEIVED -- Matthew 24: 24. Inadvertently, the Republican CHURCH became the synagogue of Satan -- Revelation 3: 9. BEHOLD! They will remember what Jesus taught about that Temple, and they will come to worship with the church of brotherly love. We keep Jesus' commandments -- Matthew 22: 36-40, and have the "Little Strength" of the Rock -- Matthew 16: 17-18.
This line of thinking, it seems, is most effective among those who were born into it, and were taught never to examine ideas critically. I wasn’t born into or reared in a church which taught rapture doctrine as an article of faith. I didn’t encounter it until I began working at a large Christian ministry when I was 19. Among those I met who held strongly to pre-tribulation rapture beliefs, all had been reared in it from youth. Interestingly enough, I encountered a few who abandoned their rapture views, but never any who acquired those views after having been raised in an environment where rapture thought was criticized or not accepted.
Speaking as someone who was obsessed with end-times prophecy from 2002 to 2009, the Rapture and end-times prophecy are desirable beliefs to hold if you are depressed and feel powerless to build the life you want, are socially isolated/bored, and hate the world and your current life (your job) because it ends everything and daddy saves you and kills all the bad guys.
So, you guys believe what exactly? That we are staying here through The Great Tribulation? Or is that not something you believe now? I am curious.
@@AFloodofSolaceJohnWhigham Where John Darby's "rapture" occurs (which he invented in 1832 or something) is a HUGE topic for Christians. You don't want to open that can of worms. People who are into the topic are so obsessed with the argument/debate about who is right or wrong that there are even crazy terms to describe when they think the rapture will occur... let's see, I gotta bring up my 15 year-old memories of Christian stuff... ummm, terms like pre-dispensation and post-millenialism and crazy stuff like that.
In the end, as always, it always comes down to unhappy people finding ways to boost their ego. Because someone has to be wrong for my ego to be right!!!!
Religion is a pseudo self-esteem attachment (to use a Nathaniel Branden term).
It's an attachment that you use to build your self-esteem, except that it is an invalid way to build your self-esteem, which is why it is "pseudo".
There are all kinds of pseudo self-esteem attachments people use, whether it be religion, career, political affiliation, social groups or thinking that you are impressing people with your nice car that you just washed.
Of course, if you are not being a prideful egomaniac about it, then feeling good about accomplishing things that you've worked for in your career is a VALID self-esteem attachment (though it doesn't make you better than others, of course that is debatable I suppose).
@@AFloodofSolaceJohnWhighamamillenniumism
you?”, “we?” Sounds like a bot. Many Christians will go through the end times. Many will be martyred first because the hateful and the deceived will be working for Satan and unrestrained.
Maybe you should get in scripture and gain spiritual discernment. The church age has to come to an end before the Kingdom age can start. Just look at Matt 24. Jesus Himself teaches a works base program in order to enter the kingdom. Why didn't He teach that faith was required? People will need to know this BEFORE Jesus returns. People will need to know when the current program of faith only stops and the works program begins. When Jesus returns, He separates the sheep from the goats, based on works. Now, what Jesus taught in Matt 24 can never start, if the church age last until Jesus 2nd coming. You have to be in scripture and understand that kingdom of God and kingdom of heaven are two programs. You need to know exactly what scripture is. Scripture is God inspired word. A Bible translated by man is just an opinionated book and is worthless. God inspires His word and another dispensation is coming.
That's unfortunate. For you. It's also requires that you refuse to take the word off God at face value. I am looking forward to meeting the Lord in the air.
1 Thessalonians 4:14-18
Daniel 12:1,2
Isaiah 57:1
Psalm 27:10
Revelation 3:10, 4:1
Why the rapture is so difficult you to believe in the rapture
The Margaret/Darby theory is basically an urban legend. The Early Church Fathers (think Polycarp, Irenaeus, etc) were all pre-trib. And if you look closely at 1 Thess you'll notice that each chapter ends with a reference to Jesus return in the rapture.
If you've read this far, i highly recommend Pastor Andy Woods sermon series on 1st and 2nd Thess. It's extremely detailed.
Both the times of Noah and Lot, as referenced by Jesus... Noah boarded the ark before the flood began, and the Angels told Lot they could not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah until he and his family left.
I strongly agree with you that the concept of a "pre-tribulation" rapture is NOT biblical, and that it is an evil deception. Nowhere in the Bible does our Heavenly Father promise us that we will be raptured away prior to the beginning of Daniel's 70th Week. He does however, promise that we (the Church) will not go through His Wrath (the Day of the Lord). There is ONLY ONE Second Coming of Christ, not three. What does this mean?
I subscribe to the "pre-wrath rapture" interpretation. As you mentioned, 1 Thess. 4:13-18 does in fact describe a "rapture-like" event. In Matthew 24, Christ tells us the signs and events that must come to pass before His Second Coming. The described events of Matt. 24 closely parallel the events of Revelation chapters 6-15, with chapter 16 describing the beginning of God's Wrath upon the unbelieving, wicked world; after the sounding of the 7th trumpet. This is where He instructs the seven angels to "Go and pour out the bowls of the wrath of God on the earth". After the sounding of the 7th trumpet is also where the rapture-like event of 1Thess. 4:13-18 occurs.
It is my belief that God's Wrath, the Day of the Lord, begins after the sounding of the 7th trumpet. I believe that we will be raptured away immediately prior to the pouring out of the 7 bowls of God's Wrath. The pre-trib. rapture believers misinterpret the events of Revelation Chapter 6 (the breaking of the 7 Seals of the Scroll) to be the beginning of God's Wrath. It is not, these events are the beginning the the wrath of man, the wrath of satan. We are also promised that we will be persecuted for His names sake, and that we must endure to the end.
The "Great Tribulation" begins after the "abomination of desolation", when the anti-Christ enters the third Jewish Temple and proclaims himself to be God. This occurs exactly at the midpoint (3.5 years) into Daniel's 70th week. The first 3.5 years of the timeline of Daniel's 70th week has been the, "beginning of birth pains". The second 3.5 years will be the wrath of satan and the persecution of the Church, which God will cut short.
So, in summary, I believe that the Church will be here to see the rise of the anti-Christ and we will suffer persecution. We must endure to the end! I also believe that we will be raptured at the sounding of the 7th Trumpet, immediately before Christ's return and the pouring of His 7 bowls of wrath upon the world. This all follows God's Word of Scripture.
In 1976, when I was 13 years old, I had a wide awake, real, in full color VISION of the Lord's Return...
We lived out in the country in the middle of dusty plowed fields, dirt roads and woods in south Georgia. Everything looked kind of brown and crispy, like it needed rain bad. The corn field across the road in front of the house was starting to turn brown and die.
I went to my bedroom, which faced out the front side of the house and looked out onto our front yard, which had a semi-circular dirt driveway and beside the left entrance was an old dogwood tree which had to be at least a hundred years old. Highway 341 ran from east to west in front of our house, which faced north, and the cornfield I spoke of earlier was on the other side of the highway. There was a slight rise in the middle of this field and you could not see the trees on the other side, so it looked like an ocean of corn that went off into the horizon.
As I lay across my bed looking out the window, contemplating what I saw before me, I began to hear music in the distance. I specifically heard it in my right ear and the direction from which it came made me think of the high school band which practiced several miles southeast from where I lived. When conditions were right we could hear the band playing, but usually only heard the faint beat of drums. This sounded like trumpets and as I was thinking this to myself, I began to notice the music getting louder and louder, coming closer and closer, very quickly.
Within a few seconds the sound wasn't just something that was exterior, but it was inside my head as well, reverberating throughout my entire body. It was so loud and it sounded like lightning crashed directly over my head and, in that split second, the trumpet sound thundered throughout my body and throughout the entire world...everything went dark and my bed and the earth shook violently.
In a flash, I was no longer lying on my bed, but I was standing outside my bedroom window in the front yard and I beheld the scene in front of me with tremendous awe. It was still my front yard, only now everything was different. It seemed as if my entire range of vision was a huge 3D movie screen and I was in the middle of it.
The trumpets continued to sound and I saw that the blue, sunny sky had turned black and the clouds churned and the wind blew with a violence that I had never experienced. The corn field was now a sea of wheat that was golden brown and ripe for harvest and I could see every stalk of wheat individually, billions of them. And I watched as the wind thrashed the wheat until it was beaten down by the storm. I now know that the Bible speaks several times about, in the end time, when the wheat is ripe for harvest, how the wheat will be separated from the tares. The tares are gathered and bundled together for burning and the wheat is gathered into the barn.
Then I noticed the dogwood tree. It was mid-July, so of course I know there should not have been any blossoms on it, they usually bloom around Easter...but the tree was in full bloom. I had never seen anything like this. You couldn't see any leaves on the tree because of the millions of dogwood blossoms. It looked as if it were lit from within, by a glowing whitest of white, neon light and it glowed gloriously against the darkened sky. Now, I know the Bible says no man knows the day nor hour that Jesus will return, but if we watch for the signs, we can know the season. I have always felt that He might come back in the spring when the dogwood tree is in bloom. Of all the things that could have been highlighted in a vision; why the dogwood tree? I believe there is a specific message here. (Update: recently, I prayed about this and I feel the Lord placed into my spirit that this represents the fullness of the gentiles coming in).
Just as I was taking all of this in, lightning filled the sky and the trumpets thundered over head again and in an instant there appeared two angels. They were dressed in white robes, facing each other up in the air and blowing golden trumpets. They were huge and filled the sky in front of me and I knew that the entire world must be seeing this as well. When I say huge, I mean like the size of the highest mountains, literally.
I didn't think the trumpets could get any louder, but they grew louder still, building to a great crescendo and I heard a great shout that was louder than anything that you could imagine. And with that shout, it's as if the earth fell silent, the black, violent clouds began to roll back onto themselves from the center of the northeastern sky and I saw light in the distance. It was more a combination of light and clearing of the clouds in the distance that got my attention. As I looked up at this shaft of light and clearing sky, I saw what seemed to be fluttering and movement in the distance. As it came into view, I saw Jesus on a white horse and behind him were millions of angels and saints on white horses. It was at this moment, when I realized what I was seeing, that it disappeared and I was back in my room lying on my bed. Everything was back to normal and I was again looking out at a bright, sunny day.
I became a believer when I was 20 yrs old. At that time I was told that if I believed the Bible, then I would believe in would believe in a pre-tribulational, pre-millennial rapture. I had real difficulty with Dispensationalism and like many of my friends tried to regect dispensationalism, while remaining pre-millennial.
I first began to question rapture theory when I discovered that the rapture could not be found in the book of Revelation. Later I came to understand that the rapture is not historical. It was not understood by anyone prior to Darby.
Dispensationalism is the only way to truly understand the scriptures, and the word, "dispensation," is in the Bible. But many sincere believers have been taught to wrongly divide the scriptures and that's where the problem lies. In a way, the Bible just has two sections, one huge and the other small (and we're living in the small one!) The entire Bible except for Ephesians and Colossians is written to the people of God that eventually became his chosen nation of Israel (his wife, and later, his ex-wife). Only after God let Israel go completely by giving her a final divorce in Acts 28:28-31, were we former pagan Gentiles even allowed to be saved! There were no pagans like those we're spiritually descended from in the Acts churches so nothing written in the Old Testament or the Acts period which includes most of what Paul wrote can even be applied to us today because we are not Jews or Greeks! If you realize that our doctrine and terms of salvation are exclusively in Ephesians (2:8 & 9 KJV) and our future hope is in Colossians 3:4 and 1:13 KJV, you can simply rest in those promises and know that your eternity is assured if you have trusted Jesus Christ!
God knew about this year's before Jesus's crucifixion.
Ezikiel 18:20kjv. Wherefore thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
If you read new translations, it looks like the evil doers knew what that meant and they quickly changed it to birds flying, not souls, in order to disprove the facts.
@dfkuz why did the church miss this for 1800 years ??
boblawther, I can give you the name of a book, written by an actual historian, that contains hundreds of Dispensational/Rapture quotes from archives going back to the Reformation.
Word "Rapture" is in Latin word for "Snatched up" believers would vanish in thin air to meet up with Lord in clouds.
Well said and explained, thank you!
”In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.“
John 14:2-3
Why would He make a home for us in Heaven, where He is now, if we would come back down?
It’s also dangerous to start allegorize scripture when the context gives no permission.
Another false statement you made was that Darby invented the rapture. He popularized it but it was alluded to in the second centuries and on.
The Shepard Hermas, AD 140 , Pseudo-Ephraim 4th Century , Brother Dolcino AD 1260, etc.
Also Yes the word rapture is not in the Bible but the concept is there just like trinity is not in the Bible but the concept is there.
Your arguments are not strong at all
There are a few elements in the Bible that don't fit, there are many actually. I'll give you a big one when it comes to Christianity's version of Truth.
'Not one dot or tittle' is to be changed. Seems tor that this piece of scripture is extremely clear - don't change even the tiniest thing. But what occurred? The scripture design was changed! There were no page numbers, no punctuation, no breaks in the text. As you'll recall, original scriptures was set as a square with continuous lines of text. What do we have now? Different languages, different "versions". It's ridiculous. And ppl are supposed to have faith? About what exactly? Wrong wording where phraseology has been changed and other words are used in place of original words? This is the biggest inconsistency with the Bible as a whole b/c it involves the Bible as a whole, within the very schematic.and core presentation of "Gods Word". There are many MANY other pieces I could direct the attention to, but I really don't need to - this one stands out all by itself. And the agendas attached as to why it's set up like this fits with early Church Indulgences and later Church challenges by the likes of Luther and his 93 stabbed into the door they were left on.
I realized decades ago how full of bolony the organization of the Church really is. I haven't lost faith in the Truth, I've evolved it. I have however lost belief in the Church to have any authority on this planet except what the Church gave itself. As you've discovered, even the Rapture is made up and supplemented into the Bible, and now every Christian believes it, for the most part. It's just not Truth, although it might be "fact" b/c everybody agrees. I don't. It's false, and so is the Church.
I was a pretrib dispensationalist for several decades. The rapture is supposed to be secret and unprophesied in the OT Jewish scriptures (including the NT accounts of Jesus and all writings not from the apostle Paul. Yet, we have had decades of predictions about the rapture happening real soon, based on this and that event. I gave up on it after reading the word every year for several years and seeing how Christ is reigning now and subduing all things to himself. When the excitement about the blood moons in 2014/2015 came about, yet nothing happened, it was the final straw. Dispensationalists say it’s unprophesied and un-signed, YET they look for indicators in current events that it’s about to happen. It was just too inconsistent and did not align with the teaching of both the Old and the New Testaments.
Excellent !!!
It's in 2025, right after Joke Biden destroys America.
With all due respect I couldn’t disagree more with your conclusions.
1. Why is the church mentioned 19 times in the first 3 chapters of the book of revelations then it’s not mentioned again until the end of the book? Why does John give so many instructions to the church then abruptly stop when talking about the tribulation? Why doesn’t he mentioned what the churches role is during the tribulation?
2. Jesus compared his second coming to the days of Noah. He said people would be drinking, being merry and given in marriage. But who’s gonna be doing any of that by the end of the tribulation? Three-fourths of the worlds population will be destroyed. There will be mass martyrdom and all the vegetation will be burnt up.
3. Jesus said no man knows the day or the hour of his return. Yet if the church is going through the tribulation then we should be able to discern what’s going on and deduce from there the day of his return which completely goes against what he said.
4. The preeminence of Christ return. In other words the idea that he could return at any moment. That can’t be the case if we’re going through the tribulation. Also undermines the need for Holy living until his return. The Bible doesn’t teach us to be waiting on the anti christ but rather Jesus Christ.
5. If I believed I was going to go through the tribulation I would hope it were far off and the return of Christ were nowhere near. Why wouldn’t I?
6. Any Christian who claims they aren’t worried about the tribulation because God will protect them isn’t reading the same Bible I am. The Bible says the anti christ will be given power to overcome the saints (people saved during the tribulation) to kill them.
REV.3:10 Jesus tells the church that He will KEEP them from the "temptation" (trial) that is to come upon the entire earth.
That can't happen if the church goes through the tribulation, right?
God bless
Baby James How are people saved during the tribulation if there is no one left on earth to disciple them into the faith??? If there is no one left on earth to baptize them into the faith????
@@theextreme7134 ...144.000 JEWS evangelists (Revelation 7) ... and.... the EVERLASTING GOSPEL preached by ANGEL(S)
@@ronelaalexe4857 The Great Commission given by Jesus in Matthew 28:18-20 is in effect until "THE END OF THE AGE". Not seven years before the end of the age.
@@theextreme7134 .... No problem!.... That is WHY the LORD did speak to the JEWS and did NOT speak to the CHURCH ( in Matthew 28) because then, the CHURCH was NOT BORN YET when the Commission was given! Also the 144.000 JEWS ARE GOING TO REALLY DO THE BEST JOB, which they (as a nation) neglected and REFUSED to do as part of > THEIR < COMMISSION!... In the meantime... the CHURCH is not in any way hinder anything or must be necessary to accomplish the PLAN of GOD which HE was going to fulfill in the fullness of time!....
Almost there, now look into Preterism, the time statements alone tell us when these things happened. God-bless
Yes, absolutely. If everyone would believe that then everything would make sense.
Pre-tribbers: Christians will be gathered first...
Jesus said the Tares are gathered first.
Jesus says let the wheat and tare grow together until the end.
Bible says Satan comes and deceives many first.
I wasn't raised in mainstream Christianity, but came into on my own studying the Bible with an actual concordance. Reading it I never concluded a rapture especially a pre trib one.
I saw it as a harvest where the tares are first bound together through Satan comin first, and making war against God's people which he SEEMS to succeed on at first glance because they loved not their own lives unto death.
When Jesus comes we will all be transformed...hard to MISS THAT, unless of course you were deceived by Satan and bound up with him...then the coming of the Lord will come as a thief in the night to you for sure.
He's speaking against the preTrib rapture theology. His description of 'parousia" fits the post Trib/prewrath rapture model. I Cor 15 talks about the dead rising and the living given a new body at Christ's return. This 'gathering' at Christ's return is a rapture....just not a preTrib rapture. The climax is the new Creation, but the resurrection of saints is part of it. This is a rapture at Christ's return. Semantics.
Amen, that’s just what I wanted to comment! Flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Therefore those of us who believe and remain alive at the end of this present age must be changed.