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Is the Rapture Doctrine Biblical? (Ben Witherington)
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When I was a kid my sisters and I would watch and listen for Daddy's truck when he came home from work. All of a sudden we would hear him or see him through the trees and take of running to greet him. Mother would stand outside, drying her hands on her apron, smiling as Daddy climbed down out of the truck, surrounded by his very own greeting committee! How delighted our Jesus will be when His loved ones rush out to meet Him. What excitement, what a happy day that will be!
Hi Barbara love the story of your childhood
The feeling you get when your children rush out to greet you words cannot express the kind of adorations you see on their face
one on the right one on the left one on my back one on my chest
I can only imagine the great pleasure the LORD will fell when he returns and all his children are eagerly waiting to greet HIM
God Bless as we look for him each day
Ahh you heard the truck.. compare..equals rapture he walks in the door.. compare second coming..
@ Barbara Simmons
Ah those beautiful wives of the past , busy at home , with their aprons on devoted to their husbands and children !
Where are they ?
This honour that was given to fathers and husbands ? Where is it ?
Shame on that infamous feminist Western world !
All born again Christians will soon be out off here! October 29the 2023 Be rapture ready, born again Christians, our LORD is coming soon!
! The pre-Trib is 199% biblical, true Christians are not appointed to the wrath of GOD, our LORD promised us so. Listen to real theologians like Dr. John Ankerberg, Dr. David Reagan, Dr. Ron Rhodes, Dr. Mark Hitchcock and their guests
A text without a context is a pretext.
That's brilliant
Or a text without a context is a con!
@@Mike65809inn deed
That is brilliant, but funny how he’s not following that rule on 1 Thessalonians.
@@ryanjennings7783 There's no evidence to support the rapture, it was a fallacy created by satan and false christians, to keep them unprepared for the Great Tribulation, if you studied the Bible and knew history, this would be evident to you.
Very biblical. We will accompany Jesus as He comes in full glory. What an honour! He will bring justice and reign on earth.
The church/bride rapture is a thousand years after the saints rapture
John 6 40 Jesus says at the Last day
Revelation 20 shows both Resurrections
@@squirreljones3595 : In a pig's eye
@@wrongfullyaccused7139
There's no Bible Verses that show the church/bride in the thousand year reign of Jesus
John 6 40 Jesus says at the Last day
Daniel 12 2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting Life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
John 5 29 and
Revelation 20 12-15
Both sound like Daniel 12 2
And both sound like the Last day
1 Corinthians 15 says the Resurrection of the dead at least 4 times before verse 51
Behold I show you a mystery, we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed.
Paul wakes up at the Resurrection of the dead
Revelation 20 5
But the rest of the dead lived not again till the thousand years have finished. This is the First Resurrection
I think you should give Jesus a chance to explain why He says at the Last day
Revelation 20 4 seven descriptions
Revelation 2 & 3 seven letters
Listen to Jesus only
Jesus is Truth
@@squirreljones3595 : So sorry blasphemer. You are utterly and dangerously dead wrong.
First of all, the church is NOT the bride.
The bride is within the church.
The bride wears white Linen.
The other will wear white robes or white raiment.
The parable of the wedding supper taught by Jesus says it all.
ALL ten virgins are a picture of saved people. Even the five wise virgins were NOT in the bride
Hope you buy a bible someday.
Oh, one last thing, the rapture is earned. Which leaves you out.
@@wrongfullyaccused7139
SORRY but the church/bride doesn't get to hijack the saints reward
Revelation 7 14
Saints get white robes
Revelation 19 & 21
The bride of CHRIST gets
Fine linen clean and white
Please be very careful adding the bride of CHRIST to the thousand year reign of Jesus
You don't have a Bible verse that says so
John 6 40 Jesus says at the Last day
Noah and his family were not merely "left behind" they were saved from the wrath of God's judgment!
Actually Enoch is a better "type" of the Church because he walked with God and was not, for God took him ' (Genesis 5) - Noah is a "type" of Israel; they will go through the wrath of God but be protected . . Just as the 3 Hebrew children in the fiery furnace (Daniel 3) are protected by the Lord in the furnace with them ! Daniel is nowhere to be seen - why? Because Daniel is another "type" of the church . .
God's judgement, wrath does not start until Rev 6:16
This guy did a fantastic job of butchering up Matthew 24 and 1 Thessalonians 4. Notice he never mentioned Enoch being translated/raptured/Harpazo’d before the flood judgement in Genesis 5:24 🤦🏼♀️ So much to correct on this one.
Matthew 24 is directed at the nation of Israel (not the church) and what to expect during the 7-year Tribulation THEY go through in order to gain salvation & realize Jesus IS their Messiah.
Jesus directed his disciples to the Lost Sheep of Israel during his ministry- not Gentiles. We know this from Matthew 10:5-6.
Jesus even initially turned away a non-Jew because he wasn’t sent for them (Matthew 15:22-28) Jesus ignored her & stated he came for the lost sheep of Israel.
But when the Jews rejected him, after Pentecost & birth of the church, THEN God shifts his focus off Israel and commissions Paul in Acts 9 to be the Apostle to the Gentiles with a new message of grace.
The Tribulation is for Israel although unsaved Gentiles will get saved too.
This is the reason Church Age Christians have to be removed before the Tribulation. We aren’t appointed to that time of Gods wrath (1 Thess 5:9, Romans 5:9, Rev 3:10) This channel is fear based apostate.
Jesus is coming for his Bride before the Tribulation. God Bless🎺🎺
Those are previous earth ages
That makes no sense to meet him in the air and then come right back
I am so happy to see presentations like this. For decades I've been left empty and confused by Rapture preaching and I long ago concluded that there was no reason at all for John revealing most of the events of the Revelation except to prepare believers to endure through the Tribulation.
If we simply REPEAT Exactly as Jesus has said we would NOT be in this Mess today!
Jesus made it clear that the Only Christs that will be Coming before the Tribulation as well as during the Tribulation are FALSE CHRISTS and there will be MANY False Christs and Many false Prophets COMING to deceive many!
The REAL Christ is ONLY Coming after the Tribulation has ended!
Once Jesus COMES there will be NO MORE False Christs!
Utter nonsense. When God revealed to Abraham all that was going to happen in Sodom and and to Lot who was living there at the time. It was for a warning to Lot and for Abraham's information, NOT because Abraham was going to be involved in it. It is exactly the same for us. We are being told and warned about what will happen to apostate Christendom and Israel during the Tribulation period after the Rapture. It is so we can give Hope and warning to the lost before they perish.
@@gofigure4920 When we read Matthew 25 it does NOT say that Jesus is COMING before the Tribulation!
What Matthew 25 does talk about is the Wedding!
When we finally get to Chapter 19 in Revelation finally we read of the Wedding that is about to take place!
John did NOT SEE the Wedding but was told that is wast about to take place and Blessed are they Invited!
For the Wedding to take place Jesus MUST COME and the RESURRECTION must taken place!
Their CANNOT be a Wedding without the RESURRECTION taking place first!
When we read all of Luke 21 we CLEARLY See Jesus saying that we must first SEE all the things happening so as to know when His Coming is near and when we are to Look Up and it is as Jesus said that while we are seeing all these things that Jesus will be COMING and then we will be escaping from all that we will be seeing!
As Jesus Himself said the ORGE only begins at His COMING and as Jesus said the ORGE will only ever take place AFTER the Events are seen in the Sun and the moon and the Stars!
Its ONLY ever Taught by Jesus and Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and Paul and Daniel as being a Post Tribulation, Post Apostasy, Post Revealing of that Man of Sin who is the Anti Christ COMING of Jesus whom Jesus destroys when the Church is Gathered to Meet Jesus!
The Pre Trib Fable is a lie!
@@gofigure4920 Not sure why you feel the need to Mock another Believer in Jesus and especially the need to Mock what Jesus our Lord said about His Coming!
It is made clear to me that you seem to Mock Scripture and Mock anyone that lays down their Life and takes up their Cross and suffers for Jesus sake!
It would be very wise for you to stop Mocking and actually do a Study of Scripture of what Jesus and Paul as well as what John said about Tribulation!
John was boiled in oil and was later imprisoned in Jail in great Tribulation as he said when he wrote Revelation!
Jesus and Paul do not Mock Believers that go through Tribulation!
Paul even commended and encouraged the Church of Thessalonians for their Faith and Endurance in Tribulation!
It would also be wise for you to do a study on the Greek Word "ORGE" as it again appears that you have no idea of what Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 5!
If you did you would NOT be Mocking another Believer and Trampling upon the words of Paul!
In Love I Hope that you can be set free from your Offence and your desire to Mock other Believers that Follow what Jesus and Paul say!
@@gofigure4920 Its so sad that you Mock Paul and Jesus by Trampling upon their words of Truth and using them in a Distorted manner!
I will simply repeat to you as Jesus said!
After the Great Tribulation has ended then we will see the Events in the Sun and the Moon and the Stars and then we will KNOW that our Lords COMING will be near and it is Time to Finally Look Up and see Jesus Coming at an hour we will not expect!
Paul made it Clear that Jesus is NOT Coming to Gather the Church to Himself until the Apostasy and the Revealing of that Man of Sin takes place whom Jesus destroys at His COMING!
Blessed and Holy we will be when we Partake in the First Resurrection is what Jesus said to the Church!
That Resurrection that will only happen at the Last Day at the End of the Age!
Makes a lot more sense than a rapture doctrine. I used to believe that rapture stuff till we began studying the scriptures deeply. Thanks for posting.
I'm in the same boat as you No Compromise. I still believe in it to a point but there is a Truth above this; If your name isn't written in the Lamb's Book of Life then your not saved. You won't be Raptured either. Jesus first and foremost beyond everything and all else. There still could be a Rapture but if your not 'ready' then the Rapture doesn't apply to you; its the White Throne Judgement.
@@Dbusdriver71 Please Sibling can you help me? If the pretrib rapture was not true, then why be ready at all for Jesus' coming? The Bible says be ready like the servant, for the Master can come at any time, like the thief in the night. And now, we would have to watch first for the persecution / beheading if rapture wasn't true?
@@edmarklowelldelossantos4952 There are people out there in 'You Tube Land' that would chastise you and mock you for voicing support for the Pre-Tribulation Rapture while there are others that may be 'saved' but you wonder IF their 'salvation' is based on the Rapture only and NOTHING else. The point I make is this; If your name isn't written in the Lamb's Book of Life then your not 'saved'. You won't be Raptured either. IF the Rapture is true, I sincerely believe that the Majority of people who don't believe in the Rapture at all will 'go up' because their 'Faith' is based on Jesus only even though they totally discount any theory of the Rapture. My concern is people's 'Faith' is based upon the 'rapture' only and not Jesus. They are going no where except thru the Tribulation and will certainly take the 'Mark of the Beast' and are forever condemned. I hope the Rapture is true but IF not, then you still want to have your name written in the Lamb's Book of Life no matter what. IF the Rapture is True, then you are were you need to be.
@@edmarklowelldelossantos4952 AS to the timing of the Rapture, The two most popular theories are the PreTrib and the PreWraith. Pre Trib being because of the Prophet Daniels 70th week prophesy. PreWraith being after the seven seal judgments and then the seven Trumpet in which the Rapture would take place. It all 'hinges' on WHEN the Tribulation actually starts. Is it before the Rise of the Anti-Christ or after the Lord's Direct wraith on the Earth before the start of the War of Armageddon? Persecutions have already started in the Third World Centers; the most recent being Afghanistan. In the African Nations persecutions or Christians have been going on but our Media won't report on them for fear of reprisals from the Globalists (many of which in the media are Globalists). The latest fear is that the Vaccines are the 'Mark of the Beast' which is nonsense. The Anti Christ establishes a one world govt and an economic system in which you have to take a mark of 'solidarity'. The Anti Christ has yet to appear on the World stage. No Anti-Christ; no Mark of the Beast. The Blood of the Son of God is more than any vaccine.
@@Dbusdriver71 I believe in the pre-trib rapture and I'll tell you when I think it might be. I don't know the day are the hour. Read read 2 Thessalonians. 2 chapter third verse. When the man of sin is revealed the son of perdition.you know the man of sin is going to sign a 7-year peace agreement with many. It will be with Israel and her surrounding Nations. Right when we find out who the man of sin is that's when the rapture will happen. You know three-and-a-half years after the man of sin makes at peace covenant he breaks it. Somebody tries to kill him and shoots him in the head. It does kill him. And then it says his deadly wound was healed.Satan himself his spirit is going to enter into the man of sins body. And he comes back to life as the Antichrist. And then that's when the mark of the beast comes out. You know the rest of the story. To do anything in the world society. To buy or sell you won't be able to purchase food without taking the mark.but if they catch you without the mark they will kill you anyway.but I believe when the man of sin is revealed that is when the rapture of the church will take place. The main thing is to get saved now. Be ready. It is quick it is imenent. There is no warning. Jesus said I've come like a thief in the night. It will happen in the twinkling of an eye. Less than a second. We are in the great falling away right now. We have been for 50 years. Paul preached this 1,900 years ago. We are in the end of the end days. Seek God now. We are in the grace time right now. Have been ever since Jesus died on the cross. But when the rapture happens that Grace time over. They will be people getting saved in the tribulation but it's going to be a lot harder then. The church body will have to hide to have church. If they get caught they will be killed. They will be what you call the tribulation saints.and Matthew 24 when Jesus returns to the Earth the church will be behind him he will be on a big white flying horse. And the church will be on flying horses behind him. Millions of saints.and then when he takes care of the Antichrist and all the armies of the world that has come to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. He will resurrect the tribulation saints.the Church saints in the tribulation saints Will rule and reign with Jesus and his earthly millennial Thousand-Year kingdom. And forever
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You are so right when there was great tribulation against true church, the lukewarm Christians thought that Jesus would come at the moment but since he didn't and their tribulation continued, many gave their faith, I think the pre-tribulation rapture will create a similar falling away, worldwide as the expected rapture does not take place, No where in the Bible we are promised deliverance from tribulation,we are to overcome them endure till the end. Christians in Muslim majority countries endure real intersection but they still abide in the true wine that is christ and them extremely precious to God
This is also what I think that may become the great falling away because a lot of these Christians depend on being out of the Great Tribulation but suddenly faced with the reality that all will go through it (the great purifying time).
@@zapperken unfortunately, I think you're right. Pray for one another and let no man deceive you
@My name is August West You are answering your questions if you continued the paces. Yes, people will be busy while the wise and faithful ones prepare. Noah and his family were on the earth while it was being judged. That family followed Yahweh, and through their obedience of His warnings and instructions (they have ears to hear and eyes to see), they were saved. The others who did not heed the warnings but shrug it off, later on they perished. The same picture and scenario is found with the parable of the wheat and tares and the ten virgins, about Lot, and even the Exodus story. The whole Scriptures is all about Yahweh's warnings and instructions. Heed and prepare, you will be protected. Shrug it off as nonsense, you will be destroyed. I want you to search all these general references and as you ultimately found the treasure, keep it and don't give it away. I ask you not to worry but always be prepared. Ask wholeheartedly to Yahweh for He will guide you to what you will be according to His plan. Seek and you shall find. Ask and it shall be given. For Yahweh longs to give to those who ask Him.
@Dant'e Stackz Cleanse, refine, purify like a refiner taking away the impurities of a precious metal. These are four of many scripture passages listed from the link below about refining.
Psalm 66:10-12
For You have tried us, O God;
You have refined us as silver is refined.
You brought us into the net;
You laid an oppressive burden upon our loins.
You made men ride over our heads;
We went through fire and through water,
Yet You brought us out into a place of abundance.
Isaiah 48:10
“Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver;
I have tested you in the furnace of affliction.
Zechariah 13:8-9
“It will come about in all the land,”
Declares the Lord,
“That two parts in it will be cut off and perish;
But the third will be left in it.
“And I will bring the third part through the fire,
Refine them as silver is refined,
And test them as gold is tested.
They will call on My name,
And I will answer them;
I will say, ‘They are My people,’
And they will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’”
Daniel 12:10
Many will be purged, purified and refined, but the wicked will act wickedly; and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand.
bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Refining
It is called "the Great Tribulation". All major characters in the Scriptures have passed their own tribulation only to come out as refined and purified in the eyes of YHWH. By opting for escape in the end time by means of the "rapture", it means you don't want to be purified of your impurities, becoming therefore leavened.
1 Corinthians 5:7-8
Get rid of the old yeast (leaven) so that you may be a new batch of dough, since you are to be free from yeast (unleavened). For the Messiah, our Passover, has been sacrificed.
So let's keep celebrating the festival, neither with old yeast (leaven) nor with yeast that is evil and wicked, but with yeast-free (unleavened) bread that is both sincere and true.
kendall capangpangan A big AMEN to that !
I grew go blindly embracing rapture theology til about age 20 when he began to go deep in scripture and theology and church history and came to the realization that the doctrine of the rapture was unheard of until the early 19th century and was first established at a small revival in Glasgow Scotland after a Scottish girl claimed to have a vision of a pre tribulation rapture. A reverend who was there thought her claim was theologically correct and later came to America and influenced Dwight L Moody of this doctrine who taught it at the Moody Bible Institute and eventually made its way into evangelical circles.
wrong, 24 early church fathers were expressly pre trib, you are reading other peoples superficial research! do your own! Occam’s Razor/truncated version: UNLESS a bored Bedouin boy is throwing rocks in caves and discovers some new ancient scrolls that radically change the paradigm we are all stuck with the same texts which we disagree on! So it is fruitless to debate text ad nauseum but what about OPERATIONAL ISSUES?: 1. How cruel for God , after sacrificial evangelical church has JUST finished the great commission and brought in the fulness of the gentiles to IMMEDIATELY “reward” his faithful church by cruelly inflicting on it/them the worst time in all human history!? WHY?2. The satanic persecution of early church at least served a purpose, it toughened and purified the church to take the gospel to violent pagan tribes around the world, but immediately after trib will be the millennial reign where lion lies with lambs, a close to near Eden/paradisal state where church will not need to be “toughened”. 3. By Rev. 14 about 60% of all humans are dead, including Christians- arguably form disease/plagues, wars, asteroids, earthquakes, starvation etc etc..what PURPOSE does that serve for God? 4. God gives specific warnings for Jews in Jerusalem to flee and tells them where to flee to and they will be supernaturally protected there for the entire tribulation, but God gives no such warnings or instructions for Christians or his church.. WHY? Yes the understanding is that these Jews will be witnessed to and led to Christianity, good thing, but is God just throwing all of Christians and church under the bus, but not unbelieving rebellious Jews? THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE WHATSOEVER! 5.Jesus tells us multiple times “Fear Not” and ostensibly not to prepare, yet most Christian babies will starve if parents cannot buy or sell..not to mention toddlers, children and adults for that matter.. WHY? 6. Countless warnings to occupy till Jesus comes, watch always, go set a watchman, like a thief in the night, parables about master going on a long journey and servants admonished to always be watching for Masters return, always watching, a day or hour no man knows…. Etc… but none of these make any sense if church goes through tribulation..at EXACTLY the half way point of trib antichrist attacks Jeruslaem and desecrates the temple.. so we know EXACTLY then when Jesus will return half way LATER!! Thus this makes all the warning voices a nullity or even outright false! 7. Jesus promises that the gates of hell will never prevail against the church but in the tribulation the restrainer is removed and Satan is given power to overcome the saints, so this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Jesus promises!! A basic rule of bible interpretation is to interpret the bible so it is reconciled that no interpretation makes other verses patently false! 8. I have to choose words carefully here because the algo censors these usually… but what about the Masada option? Many do not know this but several hundred thousand jews when they found out the camps were not relocation camps but death camps chose the Masada option in Berlin etc… does our Jesus really want his church to have to be placed in this cruel dilemma? Think it though carefully! And why wouldn’t/shouldn’t we, especially if we crack under pressure of us and loved ones being starved/tortured and other unmentionable things-we take the Mark and are damned to eternal hell? ESCHATOLOGICAL theory has CONSEQUENCES!!!
What do you think now about all the Tribulation events lining up precisely, I wonder. I learnt about it all in the 80s, so it's mind blowing to see how accurate the Bible is about it.
In the 80s, they figured a cashless society would be needed, for the mark of the beast to forbid buying and selling. That's happening now!
Israel is not only a miraculous nation again, with their original language (!!!) but the exact countries the Bible says would be against them are indeed against them.
Mark of the beast technology (to buy and sell) is not only here and now, the big wigs are talking about how everyone needs it. There's even a contender that contains invisible (blue light) ink, called "Lucifer race" (phonetic spelling).
Not to mention the wickedness of our day in perverting even children's minds.
you studied the wrong books.
@@clelladams2326 What books do you rec
The rapture is ‘on the last day’. Read your Bible. Here……
Post Trib rapture is based on scripture. PreTrib rapture is based on conjecture, speculation and misinterpretation of Scripture.
Rapture is posttrib and It’s not really debatable. Here are some irrefutable truths.
1. The rapture is AFTER the resurrection.
1 Thessalonians 4. The dead in Christ shall rise first. Resurrection then rapture.
2. Jesus said the resurrection is ‘ON THE LAST DAY’ over and over and over in John 6. That is the last day of the age of grace. The last day of life without Christ. The last day of the church age. The last day of the New Covenant. The next day starts the millennial kingdom. If the resurrection is ON THE LAST DAY obviously then this means that the rapture is on the last day since the RAPTURE IS AFTER THE RESURRECTION.
The rapture is ‘ON THE LAST DAY’.
3. The resurrection / rapture is in Rev 20:4. Here we find ‘the last day’. John says he saw the dead come to life. This is the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the rapture is right after it. The rapture is post trib on the last day of the New Covenant. It is AFTER Rev 5-19. And so shall we ever be with the Lord. We will NEVER be apart from Jesus ever again.
The church goes THROUGH the tribulation. We will not experience Gods wrath just like Israel did not experience Gods wrath when God punished Egypt. And Noah didn’t experience Gods wrath when He flooded the whole earth, but Noah was preserved THROUGH the flood. Not raptured out of it. Israel was preserved THROUGH the exodus. Israel was not raptured out of Egypt. Please that’s ridiculous. We will not be raptured out of the tribulation.
God will test the church. He will have a pure spotless bride for His Son. Jesus deserves a bride without spot or wrinkle.
Any other position other than a posttrib rapture twists and distorts Gods Word.
And then there’s Jesus’ message in
Matthew 24:29-31
“But immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days.…..…………. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
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Jesus Himself says that He is coming back for His church and will gather it immediately AFTER the tribulation.
How can it get ANY CLEARER????
Stop with this false doctrine of a PreTrib rapture. The doctrine of escapism has to be exposed and refuted by the word of God. Too many people planning their escape instead of filling their lamp with oil.
Having said this, in Rev 3:10 God promises to keep those who have proven their faithfulness from the hour of testing. Knowing that be so faithful that God keeps you from the tribulation. Remember this promise of Christ is to only ONE of the seven churches in Revelation. One. There are letters to SIX other churches.
And remember this verse.
Revelation 13:7
It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.
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God will give Antichrist power to persecute and kill His saints. Sounds crazy but that’s His plan. Don’t let people tickle your ears with anything that’s not the truth.
2 Timothy 2:15
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.
Read your Bible. Test your teachers. Reject false teachers. Reject escapism and other false doctrine. Fill your lamp with oil. Endure to the end and you will be saved.
That’s a promise from God.
Psalms 91:14-15
“Because he has loved Me, therefore I will deliver him;
I will set him securely on high, because he has known My name.
“He will call upon Me, and I will answer him;
I will be with him in trouble;
I will rescue him and honor him.
James 1:12
Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.
Revelation 2:10-11
Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.’
When confronted with the irrefutable fact that they were teaching a 2nd and a 3rd coming of Christ, or 2 separate second comings of Christ, pre-trib teachers ammended their doctrine to say there would be a "two phrase" return of Christ, phase 1 to remove the church, then 7 years later phase 2 to return with the church, which is still 2 second comings of Christ. This is not taught in the Bible.
The Dead Are Raised First [1 Thess 4:15] We who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will not precede those who have died. Therefore, the Rapture cannot take place before the dead are raised. The Bible tells us WHEN the dead are raised [1 Cor 15:52] "at the Last Trumpet". Also, we are told this takes place on "the Last Day" [John 11:24, 6:39, 6:40, 6:44, 6:54,12:48]. Finally, we are also told this takes place after the tribulation [Matt 24:29, Mark 13:34]. Also, "saints" in Jude 1:14 and 1 Thess 3:13, is a reference to "angels" (holy ones - Strong's G40 Hagios) - not human saints, but "angels" are also called "saints" or "holy ones" (Deut 33:2, Ps 68:17). The Rapture cannot take place before the dead are raised - the dead shall rise first. Therefore you cannot have a Rapture (of the living believers) until the dead are raised first, placing the timing of the Rapture after the dead are raised, at the Last Trumpet, on the Last Day, after the tribulation...just like the Bible explains it. We must not contradict these Scriptures as so many have done. We need to embrace and understand these plain statements from the Bible. Please share this with everyone. With thanks to Jesus our Savior. Amen.
Arguably, the PRIMARY rapture text (or certainly one of them) is Revelation 3:10 "Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth." - this seems to promise deliverance FROM (as opposed to preservation within) some "hour of trial" that is coming "upon the whole world." This sets a fairly clear expectation for a deliverance from among those "who dwell on the earth" at a time of global misery. So if you can explain this clearly as something other than a pre-trib rapture, I'd be interested in knowing about it.
I believe it is likely that the hour of trial that persevering believers will be kept from is the temptation to take the mark of the beast and worship the AC during the tribulation. God will keep and protect us from the evil one during this time if we patiently endure in faith.
Some supporting passages are 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12, Rev 13:8-10, Rev 14:9-12, John 17:15, and Matthew 6:13.
🔹 “The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie” Thessalonians 2:9-11
🔹 “All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast-all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world. Whoever has ears, let them hear. “If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword they will be killed.” This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God’s people.” Revelation 13:8-10
🔹 “A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.” Revelation 14:9-12
🔹 “My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.” John 17:15
🔹 “And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. ’” Matthew 6:13
That was to the church in Philidelphia about things which were coming “soon”. That has nothing to do with our future.
You emphasized the “from”, “the hour of trial”, “the whole Earth” but ignore what John and Jesus Himself say about the who and when.
“What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea."
“…for the time is near.”
“And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write…”
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Please keep in mind that at the end of Revelation in chapter 22, after EVERYTHING that John wrote, he says…
”The angel said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon take place.”
Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.“
Revelation 22:6, 10, 16, 20
Occam’s Razor/truncated version: UNLESS a bored Bedouin boy is throwing rocks in caves and discovers some new ancient scrolls that radically change the paradigm we are all stuck with the same texts which we disagree on! So it is fruitless to debate text ad nauseum but what about OPERATIONAL ISSUES?: 1. How cruel for God , after sacrificial evangelical church has JUST finished the great commission and brought in the fulness of the gentiles to IMMEDIATELY “reward” his faithful church by cruelly inflicting on it/them the worst time in all human history!? WHY?2. The satanic persecution of early church at least served a purpose, it toughened and purified the church to take the gospel to violent pagan tribes around the world, but immediately after trib will be the millennial reign where lion lies with lambs, a close to near Eden/paradisal state where church will not need to be “toughened”. 3. By Rev. 14 about 60% of all humans are dead, including Christians- arguably form disease/plagues, wars, asteroids, earthquakes, starvation etc etc..what PURPOSE does that serve for God? 4. God gives specific warnings for Jews in Jerusalem to flee and tells them where to flee to and they will be supernaturally protected there for the entire tribulation, but God gives no such warnings or instructions for Christians or his church.. WHY? Yes the understanding is that these Jews will be witnessed to and led to Christianity, good thing, but is God just throwing all of Christians and church under the bus, but not unbelieving rebellious Jews? THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE WHATSOEVER! 5.Jesus tells us multiple times “Fear Not” and ostensibly not to prepare, yet most Christian babies will starve if parents cannot buy or sell..not to mention toddlers, children and adults for that matter.. WHY? 6. Countless warnings to occupy till Jesus comes, watch always, go set a watchman, like a thief in the night, parables about master going on a long journey and servants admonished to always be watching for Masters return, always watching, a day or hour no man knows…. Etc… but none of these make any sense if church goes through tribulation..at EXACTLY the half way point of trib antichrist attacks Jeruslaem and desecrates the temple.. so we know EXACTLY then when Jesus will return half way LATER!! Thus this makes all the warning voices a nullity or even outright false! 7. Jesus promises that the gates of hell will never prevail against the church but in the tribulation the restrainer is removed and Satan is given power to overcome the saints, so this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Jesus promises!! A basic rule of bible interpretation is to interpret the bible so it is reconciled that no interpretation makes other verses patently false! 8. I have to choose words carefully here because the algo censors these usually… but what about the Masada option? Many do not know this but several hundred thousand jews when they found out the camps were not relocation camps but death camps chose the Masada option in Berlin etc… does our Jesus really want his church to have to be placed in this cruel dilemma? Think it though carefully! And why wouldn’t/shouldn’t we, especially if we crack under pressure of us and loved ones being starved/tortured and other unmentionable things-we take the Mark and are damned to eternal hell? ESCHATOLOGICAL theory has CONSEQUENCES!!!
For the church that was written to in the first century.
Noah and his family were taken away to safety, humanity was left behind to drown and perish...such will it be again, and sooner than we would like or think...he was saved "through the flood", I believe we'll be saved through the coming troubles...
Thank you for this series clarifying the context of Christ's Return. So much division among believers, which, in and of itself, is un-Godly and foolish.
When I became a messianic gentile I received this enlightened understanding. It’s better to learn the scripture in context indeed.
You are making a mistaken identification as to who is taken away, and who remained. Noah did not remain where he was, he is taken into a place of safety, and God closes the door. The rest stayed where they were, until they were drowned. So with regard to the rapture and the following Great Tribulation, when God pours out His wrath on the unsaved, we will first be taken to a place of safety, the unsaved will stay where they were, and God's wrath will commence.
Cognitive dissonance.
Which rapture? There are multiple events described differently.
If Noah and his sons were not left behind then how do you explain Gen: 9:19 or 10:1 (and many others) seems like they were still here to me. If the wicked remained then why do we not here about what they did after the flood?
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I agree.
Funny how Noah and his sons populated the earth and not the wicket.
"Then Abraham approached him and said: “Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked?"
Notice how Abraham pleads with God to not sweep AWAY the righteous. The Tribulation you speak of won't happen when you say it will, but already happened when Jesus Christ said it would. You might be very intelligent, but I m go with what Jesus and the rest of the bible teaches.
I always thought that verse saying “as in the days of Noah” meant about how evil man was.
You’re correct
But look at the context. They were all destroyed. THOSE wicked people were ALL destroyed. The context was Matt 24:1-3 The destruction of the temple. It happened in AD 70.
And Jesus clarifies this in v34 "This generation shall not pass until ALL these things be fulfilled."
In v32 "know that it is nigh. That's not 2,000 years later. In v33 Jesus is still talking to the Apostles and says "know that it is near, even at the doors." Again, that's not 2,000 years later. You have to wonder how many times Jesus can say "It's here, coming right now, in your lifetime, very soon" and people will think 2,000 years later.
Mk 13:30
Luke 21:32
Same warning about the signs of the destruction of the Temple, not the Rapture. Context.
It's good to be taken actually. The left behind means you will be destroyed like the flood. Those left behind were those who died. The taken were those on the Ark ( 7 or 8 people). I pray for those who read scripture incorrectly.
The 8 people were all that were left alive, left on the earth.
@@ChinaChuck No they weren't. They were in the ark and all the others left behind were killed...that's why God told Moses to build the ark. So him and his family wouldn't be killed. The ones left behind were killed.
@@danilaird8360 You meant Noah I'm sure.
But we agree that all will go through the tribulation ... and then at the end Jesus will return bringing Heaven down and establishing His kingdom on earth.
Bingo!
The days of Noah were days of judgement. This cannot be talking about a pre-trib rapture where believers are mysteriously taken to heaven. Judgement takes place when Christ returns. You are terribly mistaken!!!
Dr. Witherington's argument is not persuasive. In Matt 24:31, Jesus describes the coming of the Son of Man in the clouds (v.30) and states he will send his angels and "they will gather his elect from the four winds." He does not say "the elect will be left behind." The blessing is not being 'left behind.' The blessing is being ready and "keeping watch." Noah is mentioned because people were unbelieving of the coming judgement.
The word angel just means messenger. As in the the messengers of the gospel . It’s not winged creatures from heaven.
I disagree with his analysis that it was better to be left behind. Those who were left behind during the Flood drowned. Those who are left behind at the Rapture will go through the Tribulation. I believe the Bible teaches the Rapture.
The COMING of Jesus and RESURRECTION and then the Rapture is AFTER the Tribulation has ended just as Jesus and Paul and Daniel Declared!
It's interesting that this doctrine didn't come about until the 1800s. Study the 1800s and that's interesting time in itself.
@@MiguelOjedaJrand that it came after Darby met with a young women who was having “end time” dreams no less, very interesting…
The rapture is ‘on the last day’. Read your Bible. Here……
Post Trib rapture is based on scripture. PreTrib rapture is based on conjecture, speculation and misinterpretation of Scripture.
Rapture is posttrib and It’s not really debatable. Here are some irrefutable truths.
1. The rapture is AFTER the resurrection.
1 Thessalonians 4. The dead in Christ shall rise first. Resurrection then rapture.
2. Jesus said the resurrection is ‘ON THE LAST DAY’ over and over and over in John 6. That is the last day of the age of grace. The last day of life without Christ. The last day of the church age. The last day of the New Covenant. The next day starts the millennial kingdom. If the resurrection is ON THE LAST DAY obviously then this means that the rapture is on the last day since the RAPTURE IS AFTER THE RESURRECTION.
The rapture is ‘ON THE LAST DAY’.
3. The resurrection / rapture is in Rev 20:4. Here we find ‘the last day’. John says he saw the dead come to life. This is the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the rapture is right after it. The rapture is post trib on the last day of the New Covenant. It is AFTER Rev 5-19. And so shall we ever be with the Lord. We will NEVER be apart from Jesus ever again.
The church goes THROUGH the tribulation. We will not experience Gods wrath just like Israel did not experience Gods wrath when God punished Egypt. And Noah didn’t experience Gods wrath when He flooded the whole earth, but Noah was preserved THROUGH the flood. Not raptured out of it. Israel was preserved THROUGH the exodus. Israel was not raptured out of Egypt. Please that’s ridiculous. We will not be raptured out of the tribulation.
God will test the church. He will have a pure spotless bride for His Son. Jesus deserves a bride without spot or wrinkle.
Any other position other than a posttrib rapture twists and distorts Gods Word.
And then there’s Jesus’ message in
Matthew 24:29-31
“But immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days.…..…………. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
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Jesus Himself says that He is coming back for His church and will gather it immediately AFTER the tribulation.
How can it get ANY CLEARER????
Stop with this false doctrine of a PreTrib rapture. The doctrine of escapism has to be exposed and refuted by the word of God. Too many people planning their escape instead of filling their lamp with oil.
Having said this, in Rev 3:10 God promises to keep those who have proven their faithfulness from the hour of testing. Knowing that be so faithful that God keeps you from the tribulation. Remember this promise of Christ is to only ONE of the seven churches in Revelation. One. There are letters to SIX other churches.
And remember this verse.
Revelation 13:7
It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.
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God will give Antichrist power to persecute and kill His saints. Sounds crazy but that’s His plan. Don’t let people tickle your ears with anything that’s not the truth.
2 Timothy 2:15
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.
Read your Bible. Test your teachers. Reject false teachers. Reject escapism and other false doctrine. Fill your lamp with oil. Endure to the end and you will be saved.
That’s a promise from God.
Psalms 91:14-15
“Because he has loved Me, therefore I will deliver him;
I will set him securely on high, because he has known My name.
“He will call upon Me, and I will answer him;
I will be with him in trouble;
I will rescue him and honor him.
James 1:12
Blessed is a man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.
Revelation 2:10-11
Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.’
Mathew 13 (Wheat and the tares), the message is that the wicked will be taken first, not the righteous. There will be no separation between good and evil until the harvest on the last day.
The Wicked are Gathered to One Location (TO BE ) Burned once the Wheat is Collected!
No farmer sets fire to the Gathered tares UNTIL the Wheat is safely in the Barn!
The Tares are Gathered to One Location and then when the Harvest is complete the Tares are burned!
So it will be at Christs COMING when Jesus Gathers all Nations to Armageddon!
They will be Gathered Their for Judgment BUT before their Judgment He will Gather to Himself all that are Chosen and we will Partake in the Resurrection and Meet Him in the Air and then He will Trample the Wine Press of His ORGE and the Blood will fill the Valley to 200 Miles at the depth of a horses Bridle!
@@RaptureofSaints sorry, but you have it backwards. It's says FIRST, all evil will be taken out of the kingdom, not second.
@@mikebremer3456 I can read exactly what Jesus said and I can read His Interpretation!
Gather the Tares into one place (TO BE BURNED) and Gather the Wheat into the Barn!
Then when Jesus Explains the Meaning it shows Clearly that the Destruction of the Tares are taken after the Wheat is Collected!
No Farmer sets fire to the Bundles of tares UNTIL all the Wheat is Collected safely first!
Once all the Wheat is Collected then the Bundles of Tares are set on fire!
So it will be when Jesus comes!
Jesus Himself said that He is Gathering the Nations to Armageddon!
Then Jesus COMES and the Resurrection takes place and we ascend to be with Jesus in a place of Safety and then Jesus Tramples that Wine Press of His ORGE at Armageddon and then we descend with Jesus and Jesus will then Cleanse (HIS) Kingdom of all things that Offend and do Iniquity as there will be no Sin in His Kingdom!
Pretty Simple when we read what Jesus says and watch what Farmers do!
@@mikebremer3456I love it when they delete their response!
Could the left behind phrase in Genesis also mean that Noah and his family were taken to safety from the wrath of God and the left behind were left to suffer Gods wrath ? It could be a argued either way. Jesus also compared it to the days of Lot. Soddom was filled with wickedness and God had the angels take Lot and his family out of the city before Gods wrath. So In both comparisons God righteous we’re taken or removed prior to Gods wrath. I’m no Bible scholar but I do read the Bible. But it seems to me however it is done God will remove those in Christ prior to his wrath on the inhabitants of the Earth. We are told we are not appointed to wrath but salvation through Jesus.
Yeah, he lost me at it's good to be left behind. The people who were left behind during the Flood drowned. The people left behind by the Rapture will go through the Tribulation.
@@thomasmaggio1718 same here. You have to wonder at the spirit behind someone trying to convince people that "It's good to be left behind."
This Seedbed guy is obviously referring to this when he says left behind is good: / "First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn." Mat 13:30 /
However, this doesn't take place until the harvest is complete. When Jesus says first, he means before the millennium begins. That way they are going through the fire while the millennium is under way. After the millennium, they will be resurrected and given a chance at salvation again. Mat 24:20, Rev 20:5.
So yes, it is better to be taken, than left behind to endure the wrath. (wrath and tribulation are not the same thing)
With such confidence this teaching against the Rapture is picking up steam and deceiving multitudes. It is, indeed, a dark spirit. Such deception. Keep speaking and teaching the truth.
Dear Lord, just read what Jesus said! One TAKEN one LEFT, as it was in the days of Noah! Those who were "taken;" in the says of Noah were taken by the flood of wrath. Those taken at the second coming will also be taken by wrath while those left are left alive and well. Stop believing myths.
26At that time His voice shook the earth, but now He has promised, “Once more I will shake not only the earth, but heaven as well.” 27The words, “Once more,” signify the removal of what can be shaken- that is, created things- so that the unshakable may remain. 28Therefore, since we are receiving an unshakable kingdom, let us be filled with gratitude, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe.… Hebrews
I tend to agree with this view, and here's why: After Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, he and His disciples returned to Jerusalem from Bethany through Bethphage on the Mount of Olives. (See Matthew 21 and Luke 19.) He was accompanied by a large crowd including the relatives of Lazarus and Lazarus himself. As He approached Jerusalem, a large crowd came out to meet Him. This is where Palm Sunday took place. It's possible that the whole event is a foreshadowing of Jesus' final return, with a great crowd accompanying Him from heaven, and a great crowd arising from the earth to meet Him in the air. Zechariah 19:4 says that when Jesus returns, He will stand on the Mount of Olives and it will split in two. Likewise, the angel tells the disciples as they stand on the Mount of Olives watching Jesus ascend through the clouds into heaven that He will return in the same way He left. There are many other parallels -- on Palm Sunday, he rode into Jerusalem on a colt, the foal of a donkey not as a king, but humble and lowly. When He returns, He will ride a white horse--the war horse expected of a king. The spot on the Mount of Olives where He is said the return is directly opposite the Golden Gate, (the King's Gate) which lines up with the prophesied split in the Mount of Olives.
An excellent point. And the clouds ... might that be the great cloud of witnesses that Jesus descends with?
Insightful questions
Thank you! The devil was starting to confuse me! I know 100% that God has me preparing my house and making the necessary preparations for hard times but was hearing everyone saying rapture could be next week. Thank you for waking me up to what I already knew from God's directions.
Search Torah Parsha reading start Book of Genesis then you understand
@@shema3579 I will look up what you're talking about. Thank you
@@Eye2Sky4U don’t believe everything, find yourself who is Caesar Messiah and Jewish Messiah many things corrupted by Roman Church, check Lesus and Zeus Greek Gods. There’s no rapture it’s Christianity doctrine mythology’s, There’s only one on God. Grace is there through Repentance .
Eye2sky Praise God! I believe it's important for us to have supplies and be prepared so that we can assist others and lead them to Faith. If we get raptured up before, no biggie. But if we're unprepared and rapture doesn't happen until God's final wrath... Part of the supplies that I'm gathering with my Christian friends our Bibles and Bible tracks. We are using those for every birthday and celebration instead of the usual gifts. Also just giving them out as needed. Not just stocking up on food for the body, but more importantly food for the soul. God bless you, keep the faith 🙏
@Amira Tanya yes! We are to prepare our house and prepare ourselves and I think that means do what you can and God will do the rest. The Bible says we are to help people in need and I've been putting stuff back for my neighbors as well as anyone else that might seek help.
saying anything like this in a modern chruch would get me kicked out xD came to my attention not only is the word "rapture" not in the bible to me it wasn't suggested or referred to... searching and digging for answers pays off thanks for this.
The word trinity is not in the Bible. The word Bible is not in the Bible does that mean you disagree?
@@Imawatchen I think Mathew 24 and revelation disagree with a pre trib rapture
@@JayTX. I disagree
@@Imawatchen reread all of Mathew 24 again.....the birth pains come , disease, food scarcity increase in lawlessness that makes the love for another grow cold ,
False prophets that can even test the chosen ones (elect) then bodies lying around with vultures (eagles KJV)
Then after all that the sun stops shining and the moon, and the space falls in fire to earth .....THEN Jesus comes with his messengers for his chosen .....then at the ending of Mathew 24 speaks of the ones in the field and one missing
The timeline doesn't add up anywhere.....we are called as believers to face prosecution and death in His name .....as did Peter , Paul , John the Baptist and many others who faced prison and death
Pre trib rapture theory only became popular in the 1800s and swept through churches in the south
Look up Darby from Scotland or Ireland that brought the theory to the US in 1820
@@JayTX. the pre trib Rapture comes way before Darby. Paul talks about it and was looking for it. There was a rumor going around that the early Church missed the return of Jesus. Paul set them straight. Caught up in the Latin Vulgat is Harpozo. So we will be snatched up or Harpozo. Paul said this. This is our blessed hope.
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage one another with these words.
1 Thes. 4:16-18
When it comes to doctrines likes these, or any teaching of the Bible for that matter, I believe we need to approach it with great humility. Eschatology is a very difficult subject to tackle, an area which we can easily fall into error if we are not careful. Additionally, we must also be careful to not alienate other Christians, particularly regarding secondary issues that have nothing to do with salvation.
With much respect to our brother, who is bold and courageous enough to publicly share his biblical views. I would like to add a portion of scripture that perhaps may be overlooked by him and other brothers that disagree with the doctrine of the rapture.
When it comes to objections regarding verses in Matthew 24, regarding the rapture, those that disagree with a rapture say that Noah and his family were not taken away ,but rather preserved through the flood and this is true, however what many overlook in the Genesis account is the person of Enoch, whom the Bible says was taken away by God before the flood came. I think this is a very important piece of information because it sets an important precedence of a “rapture”. It appears Genesis chapter 5 , which is one chapter before God commissions Noah to build the ark. God raptures Enoch before he pours out his wrath.
Another issue that arises when discussing the subject of the rapture is the nature of the Great Tribulation. There has always been tribulation in this world, Christians all over the world are being killed every day for their allegiance to Christ our Lord. As Christians we will suffer tribulation in this world, in some cases we will even die for our faith. It is however very important to make a distinction between tribulation and The Great Tribulation. The Bible teaches us that the Great Tribulation will be a time where God will pour out his wrath upon the world, upon the kingdom of the Antichrist, from which faithful Christians will be saved from. Again, there is precedence in Genesis. Our Lord Jesus Christ tells is Luke 17:29 that the last days will also be like the days of Lot:
Luke 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Notice something important in the wording, the same day Lot “went out of Sodom” it rained fire and brimstone. If your read the account of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah you will see that God does not pour out his wrath until he gets Lot out of the city. Now If God did not allow Lot, who was not where he was supposed to be, to remain and suffer the outpouring of his wrath, how then will he allow those redeemed by the precious blood of his son to suffer through it.
Paul mentions in 1 Thessalonians 5:9 that as believers we are not appointed to wrath, but salvation.
This is by no means exhaustive, there are many examples in the scriptures like the ones I have referenced, nevertheless I hope this can be a blessing to some, God bless you brothers, To God be the Glory
So there is rupture
If you have read the book of Jasher (totally in line with the bible d constituted), it says that in the days of Noah, God let the other righteous people die, so they can escape the destruction of the earth by the flood.
I have also had a vivid vision in which I heard it being said that people had gone missing (just as the beginning of darkness falling to the earth). In that dream people had gone missing, I saw famine, I saw money fail, and I saw a great terrifying beast with great authority and power (the beast I saw possibly represents the anti-christ and his government).
I agree with you that people should be careful in discussing eschatology--- it is a very tough subject to disect!
Also, the Lord has shown me many dreams and visions, including three dreams I saw January/February las year in which I saw the US & possibly the world in a great depression.
I say, let us all seek the Lord out in all things...including the "catching away"...
sorry if you believe in a rapture you wont ever get that becuase i'ts not there is just no rapture to come it's been made popular by the left behind serious ask God to open your eyes to the truth
@@matthewhughes3749 The wise, like the five wise virgins are prepared day and night for the return of the Lord. But the foolish, like the five foolish virgins, are asleep like the rest of the world -- the coming of the Bridegroom shall catch them unawares!
In which category do you belong?
Luke 21:36 points to a rapture
the moment Christ touches down, no more flesh! all return to their spiritual body! some still mortal, and the dead in Christ which are with him now, are coming back with him! When? the moment the two witnesses stand up again, in the street of jerusalem, Yeshuah returnes!
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life - Revelations 2:10
Marriage supper of the lamb has to happen before He comes back, we have to be in Heaven for that to happen, So yes there is a Pre M rapture!
Read the parable of the wedding feast. Especially the last sentence.
AMEN PRAISE KING JESUS! The tares are taken first to be burned then the wheat to His barn
How I had hoped that the Rapture would remove me from the field of combat to spare those whose intent is my destruction.
Yes me too but it never sat easily with me in that the evidence was so interpretive and non contextual. This is so helpful and shows how very easily people are influenced, wrongly I think in this case
Excellent! 1 John 2:2 - 1 Timothy 4:10 - John 3:17 - Acts 24:15 The resurrection of all. Not “heaven”, but our resurrection here to meet THE KING
In the Noah story Enoch was raptured. Enoch represents the church, Noah represents Israel.
Go back to your Bible find we’re it says Gentiles believers are adopted (grafted) into the family of Israelite Jewish Jesus Christ Israel, not a Church or any religions. It going to be like in Noah days the wicked are taken and both Jews and Gentiles believers are protected by the Greater Exodus. Read Luke 17: 27-34
Enoch was taken into the skies.
He was not transported to live as a spirit in heaven.
Enoch was NOT brought into heaven
Are we just forgetting revelations. Or are u just going to forget the whole of revelations because u can discard it but what about revelations
I do think rapture is going to happen. Because when jesus comes back to earth there is a war going on.
I'm so confused. How is being left behind in the Noah story a good thing?! Did I mishear that? Every single thing and person that was left behind died in a flood. How is that a good thing? They died because of their sin and couldn't be redeemed because of that sin.
GOOD THINKING.... You are correct... :) .....
Please... DON'T FALL for this guy's > S M O O T H < DECEPTIVE WORDS!!! He might be DECEIVED himself without even knowing it!!!....
Please BE CAREFUL and READ YOUR BIBLE for YOURSELF!!!...
ISRAEL and THE CHURCH
are > N O T the SAME < entities!!!...
Just try to think about
this QUESTION:
IF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS OUR PEACE (Ephes.2:14; Col.1:20; Acts 10:36; Phil.4:7, etc..)
and
IN THE TRIBULATION WHICH IS THE WRATH OF THE LAMB
(Rev. 6:16,17) AT
THE 2ND SEAL... THE PEACE WILL BE TAKEN FROM THE EARTH... HOW THEN CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS CONTRADICTION?!?...
UNLESS ....
THE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE (OF THE CHURCH!!!) IS THE KEY TO UNDERSTANDING THE MYSTERY OF THE RAPTURE THAT WAS EXPLAINED ONLY TO PAUL AS THE MESSAGE FOR THE CHURCH, ONLY, NOT FOR ISRAEL WHO WILL GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION (JACOB'S TROUBLE - Jeremiah 30:7)...
DON'T BE FOOLED by the "theologians" who pretend to "know" it all with FAKE CONFIDENCE... while they are ALLURING people into SMOOTH DECEPTION and DISBELIEF of the TRUTH!!!...
CHURCH - AGE BELIEVERS (True Christians) are PROMISED SALVATION >> F R O M
God also says that regretted making man because man was evil all the time. Then he destroyed mankind. So I agree, how in the world can Ben say it was a good thing to be left alone be a good thing. I think Christians need to remember Mt. 24:11-12. This man tries to use the Word of God to deceive.
God didn't take Noah and his family out of the earth. He "saved" them by hemming them in. Those destroyed in the flood we "taken" away to never be seen again. Jesus came down to us. He didn't pull us out or off the earth. He will be returning to rule and reign from Jerusalem. Not from the clouds.
Thank you for a clear presentation of the scriptures and an historically based return of Christ. Undue criticism of greeting the returning King neglects even more recent returns of victorious troops from the battles of war especially those ow WW1 and WW2 where people flooded the ports to welcome home their family members and friends. It was not considered an illogical action or display of joy and emotion. Without conscious thought the tradition continues.
Matthew 13:27-30
27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to ***BURN*** them:
***BUT GATHER THE WHEAT INTO MY BARN.***
14:7 Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters
Ahh...sure
Looking at the comments it's amazing just how most people are agreeing with everything he says. Shows people are not critically reading the word or are just ignorant.
This guy owns a little library in a small town in Kentucky. Trust me, Not one thing he makes up is true
I grew up in a Pentecostal church, became an actual Christian in a non-denominational evangelical rapture believing church and have since studied theology and the context of scripture. The bookends of the Bible, Genesis and Revelation start and end with Eden and the New Jerusalem on Earth, where God dwells with Mankind.
Now that I have said that... I will simply say, WHO CARES? If we are in Christ and the Holy Spirit dwells in us (salvation), what does it matter whether we are with Jesus in heaven or on Earth? It only matters that we get to spend eternity with our Lord. What does it matter pre, mid, or post-tribulation rapture, no rapture... as long as I know Jesus, Him crucified for my sin in accordance with the scriptures, and Him risen from the dead... NONE of it matters. It is all just word games, semantics, squabbling (“I follow Paul; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas; still another, “I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided?" 1 Corinthians 1). We are supposed to be a family reflecting God's Glory, instead we fight and the World laughs at us and God. It should not be like this!
By the way, if we get raptured, I will shake your hand on the way up and laugh that you were right. If we stay here, I will do the same! 🙂
It is the ungodly that is taken away just as in Noah's day. Those that are born again will stay here on Earth. Read Matthew 24 and read it slowly. Those are the words of Jesus. And the first thing he says is, as in the days of Noah.
Sticks and stones Jack, sticks and stones. The word of our God is irrefutable and is forever settled in heaven. There is no pre, these is no mid, only the second coming of Christ at the end of the age!! Maranatha!
There is no rapture
It does not make any sense
Its written that During the anti christ time there will be christian people
How does that make sense if they all are taken away?
So, as a believer in Jesus, I should prepare for His wrath, the wrath of the Lamb, to be poured out on me without measure. God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
I have been delivered from the nonBiblical " rapture" myth so I definitely appreciate this concise teaching- hopefully more will become Bereans and see exactly what Scripture says and stop following the Left Behind nonsense
You suggest that a/one who doesn't align with a "POST" position doesn't study their bible? What's "UN-biblical" about the position, because I didn't hear a/thing in this video that refutes a pre-tribulation rapture position?
Question: When you miss a train or an airplane or a boat... do you say ''Ah... I have been taken aboard'' or ''Oh dear! They've gone without me, and I have been left behind!'' Clearly, we say the latter (''''Oh dear! They've gone without me, and I have been left behind!'' ) One can easily imagine those very words were said by those LEFT BEHIND outside of Noah's Ark. IN CONTEXT, Jesus' words ''... the one shall be taken, the other left behind'' clearly imply that being TAKEN - ie: entering into or being taken into the safe place made by God - is a GOOD THING. We WANT to be taken on board the Ark... or taken into Heaven to be with Christ in His celestial Jerusalem. Sorry, Pastor Witherington, but you are quite wrong in your interpretation.
Also... would you care to answer the question: Why did Christ promise his Faithful that He was making rooms in Heaven for His faithful? When would these rooms ever get used, if the Faithful are only destined to rise into the air... and then return to EARTH to reign with Christ on Earth? Do you intend to make Christ a liar!?
You have misunderstood the meaning of "in my fathers house are many mansions" .
Jesus is not saying that heaven has lots of spare rooms.
OT usage of the phrase "father's house" can mean a family or tribe, or when used specifically in relation to God , his presence.
So Jesus is saying that the fathers kingdom, which will include dwelling in is presence and adopted as his son, is sufficiently large to allow inclusion of all believers.
Jesus prepared a place in his father's house by dying for us.
Man was never intended Cromwell in heaven.
Even before man fell, he lived sinless on the earth.
And the meek shall inherit earth. Not heaven.
Indeed, Revelation tells us that God will dwell with us on the new earth.
@@geordiewishart1683 No. It's you who's misunderstood. You're bending over backwards and twisting Scripture inside out to find some kind of mystical special meaning for Jesus' words. They're plain enough.
My mother prayed for me my entire life. I grew up in a Korean Christian household in 🇺🇸. Baptist and Presbyterian to be exact. When I grew up and became an adult at the age of 18 and became independent. I got heavy into drugs and alcohol, because that’s when my father passed away. But without getting off topic I lived a very ungodly life, but always kept God with me wherever I went. I acted as if he was always real and that was why my faith was not stable. When you live a life acting as if God is real then you only go to him during certain circumstances such as when you need something. When you live this way, you also are very quick to be judgmental and angry at him when things do not go your way. You blame him because you say things like if you are so powerful why would you make this happen to me and during that time of ferocious anger, you curse at him and can easily get into that type of relationship with him. This is because demonic attachment are playing, you like a puppet on a string.
I had been on and off with my faith, and every time a tragic event happened. It may be closer to God, because out of desperation, I don’t have any family and mow my friends I’ve made were all atheists due to the certain lifestyle and circumstances I put myself in. But for some odd reason, I always prayed every day at least at night before going to bed, even if it was just saying thank you for the day. I tried to go to church as much as I could, and sometimes when I was coming out of a tragic event, I felt the hand of God pulling me out, and so I would have a very high in spirits with my faith, but it would quickly die down. Just like the parable of the seed, being planted on the rocks, and being choked up by the thorns. It is very short-lived. This is how my faith was and I know a lot of western Christians especially can relate to this.
I recently got on my knees after being so exhausted from the oppression of addiction, because I had went through five years of intense, suicidal depression. My addiction lasted for 15 years starting from alcohol that later evolve to opiates. I said Jesus if you are really really like they say you are please reveal yourself to me or show me a clear sign so I know you are real. I am a person who does not easily believe in things I do not see. I am not even superstitious or even believe in luck. Immediately, after saying, those words, I felt conviction, and I felt the energy in the room completely changed. I was overwhelmed, and brought to tears out of nowhere. The conviction was so direct that I started to repent, and I noticed the more genuine and sincere I was with my words the stronger the connection became to this energy. It was absolutely supernatural experience that I had went through. I then continue to repent of my sins saying sorry and asking for forgiveness. I suddenly felt like a very heavy center which I did not feel moments before even going into that room. I saw things that since that I did not previously living my life before entering into that room. That room changed everything that night.
After being drenched in tears with a prayer session of repentance, I pass out and wake up hours later in the middle of the night. I go outside to get some fresh air, and I see this bright, intense light in the form of a cross. I was in complete shock and disbelief of what I was witnessing because it was another supernatural moment. I immediately knew this was a sign that I had asked for. I was extremely shocked, and I still process it to this day of what I had witnessed that night.
The very next day, I woke up for the first time in a very long time, with a smile on my face, and so much purpose in my life. You have to take into consideration for the five years of being depressed. It was such a demonic, dark phase of my life that I’ve never left my room only to go grocery shopping in to run simple errands. I lived off of credit and little money that I had saved up. It was a very dark and demonic time of my life and I did this for five years always feeling intensely depressed, always wanting to kill myself, or wanting to, and somehow.
But that day, when I woke up, I noticed everything had changed. My interests and movies, music. Even the jokes that I used to laugh at all, became petty and nonsensical out of nowhere. I could never stop cussing. This was a habit I could never break, but that day it dissolved out of my mouth to the point where when people cuss around me now I have to leave the room because it bothers me to the core. I completely understand what born again means now. It’s like my old self shed the way a snake shed his skin.
I tried every single counseling, treatment, center and alternative medicine, but nothing would ever put a dent into my sobriety. This is when I found out that this entire time I was attacking the wrong thing which was addiction and depression. The root raisin and cause if this was demonic attachments. When you give them a foothold legally, they are allowed to touch onto you and put a yoke around your neck and when you come to Christ this yoke shatters, and that is how you were instantly relieved. I never understood how people would become born again and overnight, quit years of addiction or years of marriage, problems, cigarettes, porn, addiction, angry, petty problems, huge problems, whatever it may be, there’s nothing we can do to clear it ourselves, because we live in a spiritual world more than a physical one. And just because we cannot see it, we tend to forget, and lean on our own understandings, or men’s knowledge of understandings. This is all in allusion. how else does a person with stage four cancer get cured overnight after prayer? How does a persons lifetime sentence get reduced to nothing over prayer? These things we called them ask miracles because we do not understand the spiritual world. Follow your father repent of your sins and except him as your Lord and Savior and you will break through. I guarantee it. It’s very tough to listen to testimonials and be moved in the way. I personally was when experiencing this, so that is why I urge you to experience the journey yourself. That way it impacts you in a way where you pivot, and completely changed the course of your direction and ultimately save your soul by starting a relationship with the father. They’re absolutely is a hell and heaven, because there is a God and a devol. You will be absolutely mind boggled when you are revealed to this spiritual world that we live in. It is only revealed to those who have faith. Everything in this world will start to make sense out of nowhere as well as if you have read every page on Google overnight. You get enlightened, and it is very difficult to explain but you will understand. All of your sickness and life will be healed and you will start to see immediate changes. Take affect throughout the weeks after making this prayer of repentance, and excepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Life becomes extremely fun to live because you see things now on a different level that you once never stole. Everything becomes a journey. Everything becomes a learning experience and faith building opportunities. I cannot explain it, but every day I wake up, I have so much joy and enthusiasm for what is about to come. It’s like when you pop in a new movie you know nothing about you never seen the trailer but you’re in for the ride and it always turned out to be good. That’s exactly what it feels like. This is coming from someone who lived in my room for five years as a dead person. If I can do it, anyone can do it. That’s because he created us and he is for everyone.
Go into the quietness and privacy of your room tonight because that’s where it starts. Good luck tonight and God bless.
Calvinist false doctrine
but some people start their journey there and wake up to the truth and end up at a non denomination like I did. Everyone has a different journey to Christ.@@volhusky
I have to reply here. I also was godly when I was young. Also for me, when I became an adult I sowed wild seeds. I started drinking and eventually got mixed up w/a hustler. That relationship lasted about 1 1/2 years. When he dumped me, I was totally devastated. That devastation though, drove me back to the Lord. A young lady started working at the small corner grocery store across the street from where I lived and invited me to her church. I had visited some churches b/c I was searching. I didn't feel the Holy Spirit in any of them. When I went to the young lady's church, it was different. Even though it was a charismatic church, it was needed at the time. Just as a baby needs intensive care and feeding I had to have that intense feeding. After about 3 months there, another lady came up to me and asked if I wanted to speak in tongues. I just said "I guess so." She took me to the prayer room and we prayed. For some reason, I truly believed that I could receive this (I believe that this faith was also a gift from the Lord). It took a little while b/c I believe the Lord was testing me to see if I really wanted this and if I really believed that He would give it to me. After a little while of the 2 of us praying together, I suddenly felt the power of the Holy Spirit come into me. I never saw any visions or anything like that, but I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that The Lord not only forgave me, but filled me w/His Spirit. I went to that church for a while and then started going to another one. I met some other young ladies and we agreed to move in together and become housemates. Unfortunately, this is when the persecution began. The Lord promises that we WILL be persecuted if we follow Him. The enemy was angry that he lost a soul. Eventually, The other housemates started attacking me verbally every single day, demanding that I be as perfect as the Lord Himself. The man who pretended to be a pastor started having his girlfriend screaming at and attacking me over everything she could think of. He also berated me to my husband constantly. We finally left that situation. Both the "pastor" and the woman who gossiped about me died early. I don't believe that was an accident, but orchestrated by the Lord. I strongly believe that he had a demonic hatred of the Holy Spirit in me. As I said, the enemy was angry. He gets angry every time he loses a soul.
Because I have the true infilling of the Holy Spirit, I am able to intercede in prayer when it is needed and when it is directed by the Lord. Sometimes that means interceding in the war, taking Christ's authority over the sprits in a situation. I interceded for a friend's husband who was dying that he not die until he had a chance to give his heart to the Lord and also for my dad I prayed and interceded the same. The Lord answered those prayers. For my mother, the only thing I have to hang onto is that she prayed the "sinner's prayer" about a week or so before she died. I normally don't believe in that "sinner's prayer" b/c 99.9% of the time, nothing ever happens; the person is only repeating words that they are coached in and nothing happens in their heart. She was never allowed to go home again, but died in the nursing home. My husband and I are both retired now and it won't be too much longer before we leave this earth naturally (he's 80 and I'm 77). That will be a joyous journey for us!! To go home to our Lord!
What a beautiful story and i really do thank you for sharing. I love when I hear other peoples testimonials as it always shows so many similarities to everyone who goes through the same journey of reaching salvation and reassures many things. God doesn't ever change is what I get from it. It then becomes easy to read who really has a genuine testimonial because of pattern recognition that I always see as well.
Just like you said faith is truly a gift from God. I thought you had to earn it. But after I genuinely repented one night, from that moment on I became obsessed with pursuing God. I never cared or had any interest to read the Bible, listen to worship music and pray etc...but now I cant get enough of it and its the only thing that I ever do. Once you have zero doubts that Jesus is real, everything just falls into place and becomes easier. Your never constantly battling with the "atheist" side of yourself and dealing with backsliding. Skepticism side just dissolves and the Holy Spirit takes over from there.
Thanks again for sharing. @@christiansaint716
Sorry folks. There is no "Get Out of Jail Free" card.
But he didn't rightly divide the scriptures ....you cannot understand Matthew 24 without it , 2 Timothy 2:15 states this clearly ....it doesn't make sense on so many levels why would we go to the clouds only to come back down. He also made no mention of the tribulation being the time of Jacob's trouble ...where did he mention Israel being dealt with ? This is why people deny rapture doctrine , and its timing ...
Many Christians think they know. The rapture is an event that no one understands exactly. We are not meant to sweat the small stuff salvation in Christ is the main thing only.
We will meet the Lord in the air -- sounds like the believers are levitating.
Standing on a sea of Glass, you would see this if you continued reading.
I think one thing people tend to ignore is that the time of Jacobs trouble i.e. great tribulation, is the wrath of Satan. Which God hides us from. The bowls are God's wrath which his bride doesn't endure. Another thing people forget is that the renewed covenant is with the house of Israel and the house of Jacob. Replacement theology is flawed according to scripture.
What many forget is that there are Churches that exist in Israel and they will see firsthand what happens during that 1260 Days of Great Tribulation if they do not flee!
They will see the Two Witnesses Tormenting and they will see that Man of Sin Persecuting!
Some will be Martyred for Jesus and others will Shine for Jesus!
Darrell: Which time of Jacobs trouble do you refer to? The first time or second time? Each lasting 14 years. Because there is no such thing as a 7 year tribulation period. As for the covenant, Jesus made the new covenant, and threw the old one out the window. The Law and the prophets were until John the Baptist, and then it all ended. Jesus brought an end to sacrifice and offerings, and brought in grace and faith. That's why the Jews killed him.
If it’s time, I’m going through the tribulation. I don’t believe in escapism theology. Read your bibles do not put your trust in pulpit prophets. The word for wrath is different to the word tribulation. We are not destined to wrath but those that go through the tribulation return with Christ to rule and reign for a thousand years Rev20:4
Then who are the multitudes of people who are in heaven coming from the great tribulation? Maybe we won’t get raptured pre tribulation but we will get raptured before the end of tribulation. We are not appointed to God’s Wrath.
There is no pre tribulation in the bible. it does not exist! Only pre wrath.. which believers are not appointed to.
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Psalm 91:8
You will only observe with your eyes
and see the punishment of the wicked.
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Revelation 3 :10 Jesus;
Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
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Luke 21:36
Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”
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You right when there was great tribulation against true church, the lukewarm Christians thought that Jesus would come at the moment but since he didn't and their tribulation continued, many gave their faith, I think the pre-tribulation rapture will create a similar falling away, worldwide as the expected rapture does not take place, No where in the Bible we are promised deliverance from tribulation , we are to overcome them
The first fruit will be spared from going through it. However the rest of believers will be protected through it as Noah and his family was.
exactly WHEN IS THE RAPTURE / RESURRECTION?
In Revelation 20:4-6 the last book of the Bible there are only 2 more FUTURE Resurrections (Raptures) spoken of: (after the 2 witnesses appear)
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the FIRST RESURRECTION. or rapture
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the SECOND DEATH hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
In the above scriptures, these are the Martyrs. John said "this is the first resurrection." John didn't say this is the "second phase of the first resurrection," as pre-tribbers claim.
If this is the FIRST resurrection, can there be a resurrection before this one? Of course not, unless you want to ADD to the bible which is forbidden!
The First Resurrection is of the dead in Christ and the Second is after 1000 years. Paul wrote that the Dead in Christ MUST rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16 ...and the dead in Christ shall RISE FIRST
17 THEN we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them...
In Rev. 20:4-5, John sees the souls of Saints who were BEHEADED for refusing the Mark of the Antichrist during the Great Tribulation. John writes that they will rise and reign with Christ for 1000 years and that this is the FIRST RESURRECTION!
If according to John, the beheaded rise in the FIRST resurrection and Paul said those who are alive and remain are not caught up until AFTER the dead in Christ are resurrected, then this means the catching up or rapture takes place AFTER tribulation!
Now compare the above with 1 CORINTHIANS 15:20-23:
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first-fruits of those who slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first-fruits; AFTERWARDS THOSE WHO ARE CHRIST'S AT HIS COMING.
Notice only one resurrection of the dead in Christ is mentioned here! Which, according to Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 must take place BEFORE we who are alive and remain are "caught up" with them!
When did Jesus say the dead in Christ would be resurrected?
John 6:39-40: Jesus said, "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up ON THE LAST DAY.
John 6:44: Jesus said, "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up ON THE LAST DAY."
Is the LAST DAY the thousand year reign of Christ?
I believe so....then it is eternity and time is counted no more
So if Jesus himself said the dead in Christ will be raised on the LAST DAY, and Paul said we who are alive and remain will not be caught up (raptured) until AFTER the dead are raised, then where does secret pre-trib rapture fit in?
Paul in 1 Cor 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?
Revelation 8:2 - And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
Revelation 8:6 - And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the end of the tribulation
Chaplain Bob Walker B. Th. Good points
Do you really think Jesus will leave his Bride here to suffer while he pours out his wrath on the earth ? No, of course not ! He will catch her away before he opens the seven seals , Shalom Y’all
Amen!
Do you really think that Jesus will pour out his wrath on all the saints…a great multitude that no one can count…who go through the tribulation?
So he rescues some from his wrath, but not all?
Are not all believers appointed to salvation, and not wrath?
@@brendac4283 OK friend , I will tell you what I think . I think that Jesus rescues all true believers before the Tribulation . Millions or more will become Believers during the Tribulation, but they won’t have an easy road , most Christian’s don’t today.
I don’t know for sure how these Last Days play out , , but over the last 40 years I have thought about it
God bless you friend
If this is so easily explained, then why does Paul refer to it as a "Mystery"? What can be said about those who are unable to discern God's truth concerning a mystery? To those who fail to understand these passages, I would simply ask them "Who do you say that Jesus is?"... because without Him in your heart, the mystery will remain hidden from you.
William, are YOU saying that Paul said that the Rapture was a Mystery??????
I am so Shocked that YOU are saying that Paul is supposed to have said that the Rapture was a Mystery!
I am not sure who has lied to you but I can SAY 100% that Paul did NOT SAY in any place in Scripture that the Rapture was a Mystery!
PLEASE I beg you SHOW US ALL the Verse where YOU say Paul said that the Rapture was a Mystery!
I have heard so many people LIE about what Paul said!
So many people have LIED and said that Paul said that the Rapture was a Mystery!
Please do not LIE to us all!
SHOW us all the Verse!
Act 1:11 They said, “Men of Galilee, why do you keep standing here staring into heaven? This Yeshua, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw Him go into heaven.”
It's also interesting that in all three gospels where Jesus explains the destruction of the temple and the end of the age that he ends with these words: "This generation shall not pass till all these things be fulfilled." What were "all these things." They asked him a question; "Tell us, when shall these things be?..." The "things" were the complete destruction of the temple which was the end of the Jews religion, the end of the Jewish age, and a terrible judgment or tribulation on that nation. It would happen far enough in the future that some of them standing there would still be alive when it happened and some would not. Matthew, Mark, and Luke all recorded it. John's description of the same "things" would come later, in the book of Revelation. He may have used all the symbolism to get his writings past the Romans. Jesus said to the Jews that judgment would fall on their generation. Even in the book of Revelation consider; 1:1 "things which must shortly be done" 1:3 "the time is at hand." 22:6 "the things which must shortly be done" 22:10 "Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book; for the time is at hand." Those who add end times fables to that truth are cursed.
Your correct. Josephus records that during the Jewish wars 7 year seige that Jesus was seen in the clouds with his angels ENTERING INTO HIS KINGDOM just as he promised
If I were speaking of a future tense, that included a certain people group - I would say the word 'This' in proper context. Because I am talking about the people in that context. This is where even Hank got it wrong. I am a 50/50 Preterist Futurist and do not believe in a Rapture. I believe in a 2nd coming. But I do get frustrated when people don't understand simply that the Olivet Discourse Jesus is asked 2 questions, and gives 2 distinct answers - yet pretribs combine both answers to one question. It's dazzling how this error is so common and that rapture has become a gigantic false teaching.
@ Church Myth Busters
" Those who add end times fables to that truth are cursed"
Thank you so much for realising that the Bible is a finished book and that everything that had to be written has been written , that everything that had to be fulfilled has been too and that we have nothing to add or speculate about contrary to what we're constantly told to do.
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Where can we read this ?
If we know that the tribulation is 7 years and the rapture occurs after those years then it could be possible that we could figure out the day on which the rapture happens, yet Jesus said that no one except God knows the day and the hour
Incorrect... See People Love to OR dont realize that in their minds they think this is what Jesus said: No one know the day or the hour....or the month or year....or the decade. Jesus SPECIFICALLY said the DAY or the HOUR....but we WILL absolutely know the Season For SURE.....just maybe not the exact week... UNTIL That VERY week arrives. Because MOST people cannot endure even watchng for 10 hors straight..much less a week. Jesus told us to watch because we WILL be able to do it...and we just have to make sure we DO. Thats what the Parable of the Ten Virgins was about... they KNEW Jesus was coming.....EXTREMELY soon.. in either a few hours or couple of days... They had their candles (which last perhaps a few hours or a day) and EXTRA Oil incase they had to wait for a week. So this understanding you have is wrong. Also the Rapture is a DESCRIPTION of how we get taken...its NOT an event...it is ONLY mentioned because we are STILL Alive...those who are dead who rise Milliseconds/Same Time as Rapture are being Resurrected. In other words the "Rapture" is the same thing as the FIRST Resurrection.
Most Christians are convinced our Blessed Hope must come back before the great tribulation of the saints by the Beast? The truth is, Jesus is warning us to watch for the abomination of desolation (Beast) before the gathering of the elect at the coming of the Son of Man. (Mat. 24:15, 30-31)
When Jesus comes the SECOND time He will appear to those who look for Him and love Him. Hebr 9:28.
This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.( Second time.Acts 1:11.)
Immediately after the tribulation Jesus shall appear from Heaven. (SECOND TIME) Matt. 24:29-30.
When Jesus comes the second time He will descent from Heaven and we will meet Him in the air.( 1Thes 4:16).
When Jesus comes the second time we will be gathering together unto Him.(2 Thes 2:1).
When Jesus comes the second time He will come in flaming fire and vengeance to those unbelievers who had fallen away from the truth and then Jesus will be glorified in his saints in that day.(2Thes 1:8,10).
Before Jesus comes the second time a falling away from the truth must take place for the antichrist to be revealed.(2Thes 2:3)
When Jesus comes the second time He will destroy the antichrist with the brightness of His coming and those who had fallen away from the truth..(2Thes 2:8,10).
Nobody is going to disappear (raptured) before Jesus comes the second time.
This little man should never even attempt to explain any scripture again for there are too many scriptures in the Bible that support the fact that the saints will be taken to heaven before they return with Christ to reign on earth. In John 14:1-3, Jesus said, “Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I WILL COME AGAIN, AND RECEIVE YOU UNTO MYSELF; THAT WHERE I AM, THERE YE MAY BE ALSO.” And right before the raptured saints return to earth with Christ in Revelation 19:1-7, we read: “And after these things I heard a great voice of much PEOPLE IN HEAVEN, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. And again they said, Alleluia And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia. And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.”
+Barton Porter
According to our Lord,
the sequence of events in these last days is, the still future Beginning of
Sorrows (Mat. 24:4-8), the Great Tribulation (Mat. 24:9-26), the resurrection
at the coming of the Lord (Mat. 24:21-22, 29-31, Rev 7:14) the Day of the Lord
(Mat. 24:37-39), and the Millennium (1000 year reign of Christ over the nations
(Rev. 20:4-6, Rev. 12:5)
When I see you say "This little man should never...", I already know it's the DEVIL speaking. Shame on you, sir. If you have to act like a child and insult your debate opponent, something's wrong with your actual argument. Nothing you typed after that proves a pre-trib Rapture. You just don't understand chronology. Dead Christians are in Heaven and will return with Him (Post-trib). Those of us still alive will already be here.
Now repent and humble yourself and apologize for insulting your brother in Christ.
the temple was destroyed in 70 AD Right ? Paul wrote 1 and 2 Thess in 50 to 51 AD right ? that means that Paul wrote these words 20 Years before the temple was destroyed.. And We that are alive and remain will be Caught Up Pauls use of the word WE would indicate that he expected to be Caught up in his life time.. ,,, so should we
@@bearcreek9402, Once the Second Temple was destroyed, the rapture was put on hold because the rapture requires a temple in Jerusalem, as the Antichrist will manifest at the temple not long after the rapture.
I think the most unfortunate part of all of this is your very arrogant and unChristlike stance towards this man and his opinion by your opening comment of “this little man”. Ponder that, not the rapture. I can tell you fairly confidently that Jesus is more concerned with your heart towards other men rather than your theology.
Lot was taken not left. The point our Jesus is making is deliverance of the righteous before wrath is poured out on the unrighteous on the same day. (Luke 17:267-30) Its more than frightening that most theologians are wrong most of the time.
True Paul, that is because you can be a theologian without being indwelt by the Spirit of Truth. Truth is spiritually discerned and the natural man can't understand it at all.
You are CORRECT!!! GOD bless you! :)
@@smeatonlighthouse4384 Correct!!! :)
No one knows….for sure. Especially Ben. He acts like he knows but he is fooling himself. 🙄
The pre tribulation rapture theory is a great delusion. People who believe this are betting they will not experience the great tribulation. Imagine the disappointment when the tribulation begins and, no rapture. Will these people feel as "left behind"? The Lord has promised that he would never leave us! Trust God, for He is always faithful!
I don't know when or if the rapture will occur. We have Christians arguing if it's pre tribulation and setting dates. I avoid all of it and when or if it happens we all should be prepared. I wouldn't want to explain on judgement day why I was wasting time trying to figure this out when it is clear to me that no one knows the day nor the hour.
I have already mentioned this to Mr. Witherington, but he chose to not respond. So I will mention this to the rest of you listening to this video.
The rapture of the church is a fact. In 1 Thessalonians 4:17 the word is to be “caught up”. The word in the Greek word, harpageesómetha, meaning shall be “caught up” or “pulled by force”. In the Latin Vulgate, the word was translated to be rapiemur, where we get the English word “rapture”. So the rapture (or catching away) will take place. The only question is when it will take place.
The other point I want to make (and I could write several hundred) is the imminency of this rapture. If you listen to people like Mr. Witherington, you will be content to go on with your life with some vague notion of when things like the apocalyptic part of the book of Revelation will take place. According to Jesus and the other New Testament authors, His return will be like a thief in the night. That is, ****suddenly****. Consider the following references:
• Matthew 24:36-44, 25:1-13,
• Luke 12:35-46, 21:34-36,
• Romans 13:11, 16:20,
• 1 Corinthians 1:7, 4:3-5, 7:26-29,
• Philippians 3:20-21, 4:5,
• 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10,
• 2 Timothy 4:8 (refer to the Koiné Greek),
• Hebrews 10:24-28, 10:35-38,
• James 5:7-8,
• 1 Peter 4:7, and
• Revelation 1:3, 22:6, 22:7, 22:10, 22:12, and 22:20.
Basically, these verses are telling the church to be watching, waiting, and ready,
Why does the Holy Spirit want you to have this imminency about the return of Christ. The Apostle John explained it this way in 1 John 3:2:
Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
The reason is to keep the church pure.
Now you the reader have to choose.
CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES WAS BURIED AND ROSE AGAIN ON THE THIRD DAY ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES. 1Corinthians 15:3-4
@William Henderson 😊.just in case someone doesn't. I hope you have a lovely weekend
SALVATION!!! That’s what really matters. It’s interesting to see so many people get bent out of shape over this
Is the rapture doctrine biblical? Yes. Read 1 Thessalonians 4: 13-18. God bless.
Watch this again....
Take, paralambano
BAGD:
1. take (to oneself), take with or along with accompanying of the persons
Louw-Nida:
to take or bring someone along with
Liddell-Scott:
1. to receive from another
2. to take upon oneself, undertake
II. c. acc. pers. to take to oneself, associate with oneself as a wife or mistress, an adopted son, a partner or ally
Vine:
besides its meaning "to receive," denotes "to take to (or with) oneself"
Thayer:
1. to take to, to take with one’s self, to join to one’s self
2. to receive something transmitted
In the King James Version of the Bible, 1 Thessalonians 5:9 states, "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ". This verse symbolizes that believers are not the targets of God's wrath, but are instead destined to be rescued from the day of God's wrath. Tribulation will be God's wrath so the rapture would have to happen 100% for his faithful believers; pre-tribulation.
I cannot agree: At 1:00 time mark, the speaker merely switches the context for the word (and idea) of "taken." Noah took his family into The Ark, together with a number of animals: All aboard The Ark were taken away from the calamity of the Flood by being given deliverance in the form of rising above the it in a floating vessel. Furthermore, Enoch was taken by God because of the integrity of his walk with God, so there is a precedent there for the idea that being taken is good. At 1:51, the speaker engages in a sophistry that is either false due to ignorance, or false due to something knowing. Paul is simply answering the question of the Thessalonians in a complete fashion, an all-encompassing fashion: Clearly, there was confusion and concern in that church over the nature of the resurrection: Why give a partial answer to a complex issue when such an answer might be misconstrued at a later date due to its incompleteness? I'm not impressed with Asbury, if only because its printed materials are so shoddily written: Grammatical errors and syntactical errors (all of which could be easily remedied by means of the services of professional proofreaders) give the impression that Asbury simply doesn't care to bother with these things. To write with the learned and speak with the common is the formula for success in all such matters; not to see to the correct these linguistic elements impairs legibility and makes for incoherence. Finally, why wouldn't a seminary strive to do the very best it can in this area in its service to Christ? Tacitly excusing such missteps as being no big deal because these things are "church work," and therefore not to be held to the normative practices for all written work, is insincere and lazy.
Also, see what the late J. Vernon McGee has to say about Matthew 24:40, and following.
Also, "Are you gay?"
Actually the Greek word for taken is different from the one used for the wicked people in Noah's time. The word uses for the rapture means recieved in, taken to oneself, while the Greek word used for Noah's wicked people means swept away. Context is everything.
Matthew 13:24-30,37-43
[24]Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
[25]But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
[26]But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
[27]So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
[28]He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?
[29]But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
[30]Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
[37]He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
[38]The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
[39]The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
[40]As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
[41]The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
[42]And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
[43]Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Ezekiel 13:20
[20]Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
Hi brother the Greek word in Matthew chapter 24 is Taken a way ( not swept away as if it's the Wicked being destroyed )if you look at the lexicon it means to be lifted up and taken away that's what happened to Noah in the flood , the waters lifted up the ark and took them all away safely the rest were abandoned
Very well laid out argument. I have always believed this. The Bible says that after the tribluation of those days Christ will arrive with the trump of the arch angel, then the dead in Christ will rise first and we who are alive will be take up to meet the returning King in the air. Then, I believe we will return with Christ to set up his Kingdom. I hope I explaind this properly, Thanks again for yor thoughtful insight into this misunderstood Christian topic! God bless you and your ministry!
The rapture means Jesus would return twice to earth. Once to gather the Church, and second to destroy and bring judgment to the earth and its inhabitants.
Jesus only returns once according to the New Testament
Eight souls were removed from the landscape, which was then drowned in the great flood. The great flood was the wrath of God upon humanity.
But here’s the thing
The tribulation is NOT God’s wrath..the Day Of The Lord is. And Noah wasn’t taken away from the flood..he was given the necessary knowledge to live THROUGH it.
Mathew 24 clear states in Jesus own words that in the flood the wicked were swept away in judgement and the righteous were left behind.
air = breath of life. Cloud of people like a cloud of birds or locust.
Yes
Brenda if a group of people who wear white gown, they looked like clouds. These could be believers like Abraham, Moses, David and those that had passed away.
As a general rule, I prefer a "less liturgical" style of worship service.
There is one thing, however, that I think most methodists and baptists were doing in the 40s and '50. That is to have someone read, before the sermon, the primary Bible text about which the pastor would be commenting during the sermon. That made it easier (even for my paternal grandmother who was illiterate) to compare the pastor's comments with the Bible passage being quoted.
I'm interested in how people decide how to undersetand Bible passages but I'm less interested in a "this means this and that means that" when presented in such a way as to imply that I can't understand the king's English myself.
Who really knows, only time will tell. I don’t want to subscribe to either doctrine. I see compelling arguments on both sides and in several verses that allude to both ideas. What the Bible says for sure is “fear not” and stay vigilant and prepared for whatever God’s will is. Whatever happens me and my house will serve the lord.
A correct exegesis of Scripture will reveal that the entirety of the New Testament pointed to the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD; even Revelations.
“And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.” Matthew 24:12-13
Lawlessness will thrive during the days of the Great Tribulation. Because of such chaos, the love of many will grow cold. There is no way of knowing how many will be deceived by the False Prophet. (Mat. 24:12, Rev. 13:11-18) Jesus promises those enduring to the end will be saved. ‘Saved’ in this passage means physical deliverance. (Mat. 24:12-13, 1 Thes. 5:9) The faithful saints reaching the harvest will be physically saved. (Mat. 13:39-43) Like Noah and Lot, they will be physically delivered before God’s wrath is poured out on the wicked. (Luke 17:26-30, Mat. 24:37-39) The Son of Man will send forth His holy angels to gather all overcomers looking up for their physical redemption. (Luke 21:28, 1 Thes. 1:10)
You are so right when there was great tribulation against true church, the lukewarm Christians thought that Jesus would come at the moment but since he didn't and their tribulation continued, many gave their faith, I think the pre-tribulation rapture will create a similar falling away, worldwide as the expected rapture does not take place, No where in the Bible we are promised deliverance from tribulation,we are to overcome them endure till the end. Christians in Muslim majority countries endure real intersection but they still abide in the true wine that is christ and them extremely precious to God
@@jesuslovesmegalatians2205 Totally agree!
This False Pre Trib Coming Doctrine is deceiving so many!
Jesus Himself said that the Only Christs that will be COMING before the Tribulation and during the Tribulation will be FALSE CHRISTS and they will be COMING to DECEIVE MANY!
The REAL Christ comes AFTERR all of the False Christs!
Amen Paul!
As Paul said Jesus is NOT COMING to GATHER the Church to Himself UNTIL the Apostasy and the REVEALING of that Man of Sin takes place first!
Hi Brother Ben.. Siblings, may I kindly ask for your help please? How will two men be working together at the field, and two women be grinding at the mill, and the other is taken while the other left?
Meaning, the righteous and the unrighteous will both be working in the same field. How can this be so, if during that time, the righteous are already being heavily chased by the AntiChrist?
Also, how could people be working business as usual when during that time, many calamities and prophetic events would have already happened?
Sorry, I just need to be enlightened on this. Thank you so much in advance.
Edmark, the Antichrist is a spirit that takes on the role of Jesus and God. It is currently at work in the world and most christian churches and has been for 2,000 years deceiving people. The main way to see it, is listen to preachers and people talk. People who say God died on the cross are not of God, but are under the spirit of the Antichrist. People who say God's son Jesus died on the cross are of God. It's that simple.
And by now way did both Jesus and God die on the cross.
Will it be business as usual? Of course it will. This takes pace before the wrath begins, and so it is important to know the difference between the wrath and the tribulation.
We are in the tribulation now, so how are believers persecuted? By the everyday occurrences that go bad. Yet no one wants to believe we are in it now because of all the false teachings.
When Satan, not the Antichrist, stands in the temple and claims that he is God, the Rapture will not be far behind. The wrath comes after that, which is what Revelation covers and is mostly about.
The Antichrist claims that he is both Jesus and God, while Satan will claim that he is above all that is called God, including he Antichrist. But keep in mind, both of them (Satan and the Antichrist Spirit) work together.
If Satan was standing in the temple right now, and the Tribulation ended today, as you can see, both believers and the currant unforgiven will be here.
However everything that you just said does not line up with what Jesus said in John 14 about the fathers house and him preparing a place for us, so that we might be with him where he is. That my friend is a place called heaven.
You should change the name of your channel from Seedbed to Seedbad. IMO
Which rapture? Matthew and Thessalonians are describing two entirely different events.
N.T Wright and Tim Mackie both agree! I never believed in the rapture. The persecuted church knows better. Tribulation is the life of every Christian while living in this world. It started with Cain killing righteous Able. God’s true followers have always been in tribulations all over this world through all ages. The last tribulation will probably be the worst, but it will end with the triumphant meeting Christ in the air and returning here in the victory parade. New heaven new earth and the evil ones gone taken away forever.
John 14 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many mansions; if not I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; thatwhere I am, you may be also." Jesus clearly promised us that He was going away to the Father's house to prepare a place for us and then He would come again and receive us to Himself so that He could take us to where He had prepared a place for us. The Father's house is in heaven. Jesus was not lying to us. He will keep His promise. I'm always amazed how people teach on this subject and conveniently NEVER touch on John 14. I wonder why that is?
Well that raises the question of where are the bad ones being swept away to? Alot of other issues with this interpretation as well
The bad ones go into the furnace until the millennium is over. Then they will be resurrected and given a second chance at salvation.
@@antichrist_revealed A second chance? 🤔 I’m not familiar with that passage. What’s the reference, please?
@@Ahuntrgw2013 Jesus said it in Mat 24:20. "And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath."
Your "flight" is your time of salvation. The "Winter" is the time directly following the millennium. Rev 20:5. It lasts about 500 years.
The "Sabbath" is the next 7th day in our history according to God's calendar. 1 day is like a thousand years.
He created the heavens and earth in six days, or six thousand years, then he rested on the Sabbath. (1,000 years). Thus, the first day of rest was the first Sabbath Day.
The next one comes 7,000 years from the first one, which will follow the time of "Winter."
Thus, Jesus said salvation will also come to those during the Winter, or later after the battle of Gog and Magog on the Sabbath Day. Which is also the Day of Judgment.
When the sea gives up the dead, it means it gives them up from death to salvation. Rev 20:12-13.
Luke 2:10, John 12:32, Ro 14:11, and Php 2:10, also says every person will be saved. No exceptions. This is why we are not to judge.
@@antichrist_revealed Just for your info, when I reply to folks, I endeavor to quote a particular point they have made to me, then type an arrow followed by my comment on the given point. Hope it’s not confusing.
“Jesus said it in Mat 24:20. "And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath." Your "flight" is your time of salvation. The "Winter" is the time directly following the millennium. Rev 20:5. It lasts about 500 years.” ->> 🤔 Sorry, I’m not seeing that. From what I have understood, Jesus was talking about either the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem in 70 AD, or about the end times (during the tribulation?) when the antichrist sets up his “abomination that causes desolation” in the Holy of Holies. Matthew 24:15-28 seems clear along these lines: If you are on your house doing repairs, and this happens, get off the house and out of town; if you are out in the fields around Jerusalem, then you should not go back into town to get anything!
“The "Sabbath" is the next 7th day in our history according to God's calendar. 1 day is like a thousand years.” ->> Yes, the Apostle Peter’s simile regarding God’s waiting on us to believe and get saved. (2 Peter 3:9)
“He created the heavens and earth in six days, or six thousand years, then he rested on the Sabbath. (1,000 years). Thus, the first day of rest was the first Sabbath Day.” ->> Well, yes, He did create the world, and everything therein but I will allow six literal days (24-hour long periods) because, after all, He IS God. Therefore, He hallowed the seventh day, but it was not codified as a requirement until the “Law of Moses.” (And by the way, I don’t see where Adam actually observed the Sabbath day of rest. Then again, there, he had unbroken fellowship with God in the beginning.)
“The next one comes 7,000 years from the first one, which will follow the time of ‘Winter.’ Thus, Jesus said salvation will also come to those during the Winter, or later after the battle of Gog and Magog on the Sabbath Day. Which is also the Day of Judgment.” ->> I can’t understand where you’re coming from the standpoint of the Bible regarding “winter” being a “sabbath day.”
“When the sea gives up the dead, it means it gives them up from death to salvation. Rev 20:12-13.” ->> Here, the Bible is talking about the “great white throne” judgment of the unsaved, and will show whether someone has “done good” during their life or “done evil.” Time-wise, this seems to be after the millennial reign of Christ. Death and Hades are the places of the “dead” - those unsaved, not part of the Body of Christ - so it has been said that this will not involve believers. If the case was such, that people who have already passed away could be saved, even the Pharisees, whom Jesus said were blaspheming the Holy Spirit (the unpardonable sin) would be saved. I don’t see it in the Bible where that will be the case.
“Luke 2:10, John 12:32, Ro 14:11, and Php 2:10, also says every person will be saved. No exceptions. This is why we are not to judge.” ->> Look at Matthew 7:1-3, and Luke 6:36-38. We are not to make judgments in a condemning manner to be sure! We are however supposed to make various judgments at various times, what we term as “judgment calls” - see 1 Corinthians 2:14-16, 1 Corinthians 6:2, and 1 Corinthians 11:31-32. But then, if you look at the issue in question in 1 Corinthians 5, we are to look at the brethren who are “living in sin,” determine what is going on, and expel them from the church. Even the Apostle Paul pronounced judgment on such a person. Later on, in 2 Corinthians, the man in question had truly repented; therefore, Paul said for the church to welcome the man back into fellowship. Judgment calls made, but not condemning, which is God’s job.
Luke 2:10 - And the angel said to them, “Fear not, for behold, I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people….” All people who are living THIS side of eternity, physically alive to hear the message. It IS God’s will that everyone gets saved (1 Timothy 2:3-4; 2 Peter 3:9), but we know that will not happen.
John 12:32 - “And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” Yes, as Moses lifted the snake on the pole while Israel was in the wilderness. He will draw everyone to Himself, but not all will believe and be saved. This was meant for people THIS side of eternity.
Romans 14:11 - “Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; …” Again, this is a warning to believers in the Body of Christ against having a “judgmental (condemning) attitude.
Philippians 2:10 - “…so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, …” People alive in heaven, or alive and on-earth (or “above ground”), and those “under the earth” in Hades (the “place of the dead”). One day, this will happen.
@@Ahuntrgw2013 First of all, I am not a fool who goes around saying things. I am a very learned person in the biblical world of prophecy, a scholar. Your attempt to dumb me down is very familiar with me as many have tried, but none have succeeded. Not even you will succeed.
Lesson 1: Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near-at the doors!
What did Jesus mean by Summer, or summer is near?
Daniel 7:12 yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.
What is a season? What is a time? A time is made up of four seasons. Spring, Summer, Fall, and Winter, and spans 2,000 years.
Right now we are in the spring season, and summer is very close. Summer is when Jesus returns and is consumed by the millennium. The millennium is made up of Summer and Fall. Winter is the 500 year period after it.
You said: ->> I can’t understand where you’re coming from the standpoint of the Bible regarding “winter” being a “sabbath day.”
I didn’t say winter is the Sabbath Day, I said . . . . “during the Winter, or later after the battle of Gog and Magog on the Sabbath Day.”
The battle of Gog and Magog comes during the winter. After the season of Winter will be the Day of Judgment. That day is 7,000 years from the Day of Rest. Or in God’s language, 7 days. “Many will say to Me in that day,” which is a one thousand year period, which is one day to God.
Jesus was not talking about 70 AD, nor about the antichrist spirit that came into the world John describes and talks about in 1 John 4:3, 1 John 2:18-22, and 2 John 1:7. Hence, no such antichrist person will rise or has risen, it is a spirit that many followed then and still do today. They call him God.
If God created the world in 6, 24 hour days, then Adam would have lived on long past the day he ate from the tree. Thus God would be a liar. “but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for *_in the day that you eat_* of it you shall surely die."
Adam lived for 940 years, confirming that one day of God is like unto a thousand years, just as Peter did, and Adam died on the Day of God he ate from the tree. Adam died around 600 years into the Day of rest, the first Sabbath Day.
*”For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”* The 7th day from the last 7th day.
Death and Hades is long over due for truth. Some have died a true death, but hades only means the grave. All graves will no longer exist when the world comes to and end, therefore, they cannot last for eternity.
You talk about accepting Jesus, so then you must also accept what he said. He said Every Knee Will Bow, to him and to God. No exceptions. That means there will be unsaved person, nor any name not found in the book of life. Otherwise, both Jesus and God are liars.
When you can explain the Seasons and what a Time means, then you can correct me. But by that time, you will see that I am right, and not in deed of correction.
Ironically, you have proven the distinction between a pretrip rapture in 1st Thess 4 and the second coming at the end of the tribulation in Matthew 24. I agree Matthew 24 has nothing to do with the church, which is his body in the rapture. Paul spoke about this mystery in first Thessalonians four and first Corinthian’s 15.
Actually, the rapture is seen in Matthew 24:26-28 which Jesus described as a time when there would be rumors that the Messiah has come but not manifested yet, which also means it must precede the time of great tribulation after which the Antichrist has manifested in verses 15-25.
Matthew 24 isnt talking aboht the rapture but the tribulation the Jews will go through the those events when jesus comes back. The dude who made this video failed to rightly divide the bible and ignored who Jesus was talking to in Matthew 24.
Also, wasn't the passage in Matthew 24 in regards to the coming siege and destruction if Jerusalem? It doesn't rule out an "already/ not yet" reading, but the two don't seem connected.
No Man of God in Scripture Taught the Pre Trib Fable!
Jesus Himself said in Matthew 24 that the ONLY Christs that will be COMING before the Trib and during they trip will be False Christs and there will be many False Christs all coming to deceive many!
Jesus said that the only People that will be saying that Jesus is Come before the Trib and during the Trib will be False Prophets and Deceivers and Seducers!
The Real Christ as Jesus said, only comes after the Tribulation has ended!
Jesus TOLD us all that we must SEE before we are to Look Up for the Real Christ!
@@bigbruno56 I must say this Truth!
No Man of God in Scripture Taught the Pre Trib Fable!
Paul did NOT EVER say that the Rapture was a Mystery as some Falsely say!
The Truth according to Jesus is that ONLY False Christs will be Coming before the Trib and during the Trib and they are all Coming to deceive!
The True Christ ONLY Comes after the Tribulation has ended just as Jesus Promised us!
Jesus warned us about all of the False Christs and False Prophets and Seducers and Deceivers that will be saying that Jesus is Come before the Trib and during the Trib and Jesus makes it Clear!
Do NOT believe them and do NOT follow after them!
Good use of words Ben, but is it just a matter of semantics? Those in the ark were 'raised up' (by reason of the buoyancy) to avoid the judgement, they were not left behind. Further, you, like NT Wright and Dr Michael Halcomb need to read again 1 Thessalonians and not trust your greying memories. vs 15 starts with "According to the Lord's own word... " What else would the Lord's own word mean other than Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 17? And how do you explain away Daniel 12:1,2, Revelation 3:10 and 7:14. What was that about "text..., context..., pretext" you started with? Would you like to start again?
Revelation 3:10 just says "keep" which means "guard or protect", not "catch away". And Revelation 7:14 says "great tribulation", not "the great tribulation". That verse has nothing to do with Daniel 12:1 or Matthew 24.
the temple was destroyed in 70 AD Right ? Paul wrote 1 and 2 Thess in 50 to 51 AD right ? that means that Paul wrote these words 20 Years before the temple was destroyed.. And We that are alive and remain will be Caught Up Pauls use of the word WE would indicate that he expected to be Caught up in his life time.. ,,, so should we
I JUST told you on the other thread that Paul was expecting to die soon according to 2 Tim 4:6. The word "we" there doesn't mean Paul expected to personally get raptured. He just meant "we" the body of Christ.
There is ONE second coming of Christ, not TWO. Daniel's 70th week, which immediately followed the 69 week, has been taken out of context, moved forward to a yet underterminded time in the future in order to accommadate the pre-trib rapture doctrine. There is no 7 year tribulation period in the Bible. Paul said we look for A second coming of Christ, not a second, and a third coming of Christ.
THE RAPTURE IS IMMINENT!
3rd century Pseudo ephriam does not teach any rapture! Fact this is a propaganda lie! Documented here! From Syrian to Latin Pseudo-Ephraem
changed to english then has words changed and other words added (pure evil to do this!!) And made to say this!!!!!!!!!!!
...........For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins." . THE original true Syrian text translation to English has nothing to do with RAPTURE FACT!...............IT SAYS.......
"Pronouncing the good fortune of the deceased Who had avoided the calamity: 'Blessed are you for you were borne away (to the grave) And hence you escaped from the afflictions!
Don't we just love the hand gestures, histrionics, and hubristic assertions of events no one knows about, texts are not truths.
Umm. So I wonder how he would explain John 14:2-3.
I (still) do not know if this explenation is correct but an explenation I have heared before is that the many mansions are the glorified bodies. Because in 2 Corintians chapter 5 the bodies are compared with "homes" our "tents".
Nooo… The Ark represents Jesus saving Noah from the wrath of God. Once the doors of the ark closed, the outsiders were concentrated trapped. Noah wasn’t trapped he was saved!
What I have been telling people for years. I am attack so much for my views on this subject.
There is an irony in this lesson. It is this: nothing at all is said about the Lord establishing a kingdom on earth at His return. The "kingdom of God" was established among people on earth in the apostolic age. (Colossians 1:13; Revelation 1:9) The second coming of Christ will not be to set up, but to deliver up the kingdom to God. (1 Corinthians 15:24)
In Luke 17:20-21, Pharisees demanded that Jesus tell the kingdom of God would come, and he answered that it comes not with careful observation because it’s within you. He was clearly talking about salvation. BUT then Jesus told his disciples a different thing about the kingdom of God, and you can only understand what he meant by reading this with Matthew 24.
In these verses Jesus described the rapture that will happen not long before the great tribulation starts, and then he described his second coming when he will set foot on the Mount of Olives then destroy all enemies and setup his Millennial Kingdom, according to Zechariah and Revelation.
@Pia Tukia Again, nothing...absolutely nothing...is said in scripture about Jesus returning to the earth to "set up" a kingdom. The sacred writings teach us that the kingdom of God has already been established, so he is returning in the air to deliver up the kingdom (that has already been established) up to God. (Colossians 1:13; Revelation 1:9; 1 Corinthians 15:24). In Revelation 21 John clearly states that the new Jerusalem refers to the victorious people of God. They were persecuted by the beast (oppressive human political entities), but they were not destroyed. Victory in the Lamb is her new song. Jesus Will not ever return to the earth to SAY anything, DO anything, or RECEIVE anything. His return will be "in the air" as the scriptures clearly state. (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18) We must think beyond human tradition, human philosophy, and the false theories of people.
@@mikerichards1498 Where can I read more on your interpretation of events here? I've never heard this view before. I'd be interested to read more.
@@joshnielsen279 The verses I cited in my post themselves establish the points I made. A deliberate and unbiased reading leads to the understanding that the kingdom was "set up" in the days of first century believers. When Christ returns it will be to "deliver up" the kingdom to the Father.
@@mikerichards1498 There are verses about the kingdom of God in the Gospels which clearly refer to a future time, though some refer to the present time. The kingdom has not come in its fullness. I was wondering if you've ever seen anyone else take the same interpretation you do, because it will take some convincing but I like giving new views a fair hearing.
Matthew 24 is not about the rapture. It’s about the second coming
The scriptures tell us they have a zeal for God but lack understanding that was Paul’s prayer for Israel
This guy is so far out in a field in his ignorance, that he isn:t even in the ballpark.
Wrong interpretation bro
True "doctrine" is found cover to cover throughout the Bible, such as Soteriology, ie., the doctrine of salvation through faith without good works. The mere mention of a topic, such as, the "rapture" does not make it a doctrine, but merely a topic, such as, the 12 disciples, Christ's siblings, etc.
To meet the Lord in the air, not to greet the Lord in the air?right, context?check your understanding of the words, its soo important, and bible escatgology study it more.
He has an understanding, The rapture doctrine is unbiblical. Read in its context. So, where does this rapture idea this rapture concept come from? if indeed it is not biblical it's not biblically based within the context that people draw from in these passages. This rapture doctrine is something that the evangelicals created. This doctrine emerged in the 19th century. Do the research and make sure you have valid data to support your argument. Matthew 24:36-41 pat attention to the context. Very important.Look at what the Messiah is giving us.. he says in the days of Noah Read it.
Scott Spears it simply states it will be like the days of Noah NOT a "pretrib rapture"! In fact that's his arrival "NOT a pretrib event"!
Luke 17
24 For as the lightning, that lightenth out of the one part under heaven, shinteh unto the other part nder heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
The whole time is one event spoken of in different it is the day everyone sees Chirst!
I agree. I would like to restate what was written from the scriptures that Noah was not "raptured". This concept states that the saved will be taken away from trouble, being safe, when great calamity comes. Noah and Moses' stories does not prove that the rapture concept is true.
The only safe place at that time of the antediluvian flood was inside the ark that Yahweh instructed to Noah. Even then, this one ark was above the raging floodwaters, swaying to and fro from the waves. The ark never went to another place.
During Moses' time of the plagues, the Israelites were given mercy by Yahweh Elohim to be spared from the fourth plague on wards, if they believe and obey His words. Fast forward to the last plague of firstborn death, the same Hebrews heard the wailing cries of those taken away by the death angel. It should bring shivers down your spine knowing that all around you, death is everywhere at that time, but at the same time, you feel safe as you trust His instructions.
If the rapture concept is true, then Noah would not experience the struggle of being around Yahweh Elohim's wrath, and Moses and the Israelites would be transported directly to the promised land immediately after departure, never to experience hardships in the desert for 40 years, only that they did experience it.
Scott Spears that’s your interpretation
Scott Spears Jesus comes back with his angels then we the saints meet him in the air transform our glorious bodies then together we head to the new Jerusalem. See Matt 24 and many others
Scott Spears so your understanding of escape is to escape the tribulations with the pre trib rapture?
My favorite part was when he was just giving his own opinions instead of showing us with the Bible what it really says. LOL
Exactly
lol please the entire chapter instead of a single verse to get the context. I was taught that in school. Jerusalem is the destination. His kingdom will not pass away. ua-cam.com/video/d_cVXdr8mVs/v-deo.html
Ben W. Owns a small little library in Kentucky. Isn't he a latter day saint?
@@vickiesutherland4628 No? He is a world renown scholar who works with the likes of Craig Keener. You don't know what you're talking about.
He literally just went verse by verse through the 1 Thes passage describing each phrase and how to interpret it.
John 14:3 tells us Jesus goes to prepare a place for us, that He will come again to take us unto Himself, that where He is, we may be also...Could you please show me scripture that says He'll leave His believers behind and yet take the sinners? Asking for a friend...My Friend Jesus...
It’s actually teaching that He is preparing a dwelling place in “His Fathers house” where He and the Father will “come dwell with them (those who love Him)…
His Father’s house is the temple, which is defined as His body; Paul says Christians are the Body of Christ.
He and the Father have made their dwelling place in the Temple of the Body of Christ by His Spirit starting at Pentecost.
Remember what is emphasized over and over and over, from Matthew through the New Testament; the Kingdom of God is Spiritual.
Psalms 37 tells us that when we look for the wicked ,they will not be found....they were removed from earth.
Through death!