What if Carthage WON the Punic Wars?
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- Опубліковано 4 лис 2024
- It was inevitable that we'd have to win the punic wars as carthage in imperator: rome, I mean, if we're not taking out the titular Roman Empire, then we're doing something wrong. I'm still refusing to let this game die - if you look at the player count in steam, things are changing chaps... In any case, let's see what happens next as we were attacked by the dastardly romans!
I made Rome DISAPPEAR as Carthage in Imperator: Rome
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Here's how we got here! - ua-cam.com/video/nlbL_ylw6aA/v-deo.html
you linked this video, you should link the previous video on carthage
0 stability, over 140 aggressive expansion, honestly I'm impressed. I've done world conquest in this game and never seen numbers like that.
Im actually rather shocked it didnt all go tits up. I've blown up runs with that kind of AE.
Those are just historical carthage numbers tbh, everyone hated them and they were a mess internally.
the impressive part here is that this game lets you get away with it. like his values were as low as you could possibly get... if this shouldn't make you collapse, then what should? plus that cheat for players on easy and normal difficulties literally not allowing AI to declare war on player if the latter is at war... like he was facing constant rebellions for 11 years and Rome and nobody else wasn't even able to declare a war on him the whole time...
Historical accurate
@@rafal2959 I've blown up runs with only ~75 AE. 140+ is honestly mind boggling.
Man, laith's serie in Iperator gives me hope about the future of the game. It was too young to be terminated😔
the player numbers seem to have gone up slightly, but probably not enough to save it, not yet anyways.
@@dragdritt yet
Watching Carthage fend off Roman invasion is an eerie analogy for the time Laith got head-butted by an Italian football fan for explaining to him why Richard the Lionheart was a bad king.
When did he talk about that?
lmao sounds realistic
Lol what, what was the context? Why tf did he rant about some english kind with no connection to Italy and why it turned violent, so many questions
@@freddekl1102Richard does have a connection to Italy. Pretty sure he did something in Sicily.
I would love to see not just a part 3 but a whole series of this.
Why stop at a whole Series?
An entirely new channel dedicated to I:R
xd
Yes, give us a series!
Hey Laith, a couple of tips for ya, from an I:R fan!
Keep your AE under 50 as much as possible. The penalties for AE get exponentially worse, but 50 is the breakpoint where new penalties get introduced, not just bigger numbers on the existing penalties. Don't worry about trying to expand quickly at the start, just go for small wars. Late game AE reduction will let you conquer as much as you want.
Speaking of penalties, the most damaging penalty is towards your Stability growth. Without any modifiers, your stability wants to rest at 50. Points over 50 give buffs, points under 50 give debuffs. Between 40 and 50 the debuffs are mild and you will barely notice them most of the time, but like AE the debuffs get exponentially worse the lower it is. 20 Stability is another breakpoint, where you cannot do things like declare wars if you are under it. If you have high AE, you want to do *everything* in your power to boost your stability to counteract the penalties because you will reach a level of rebellion feedback loops, which is what I'm assuming happened to you when you skipped forward there.
Another one which is more relevant to the previous video than this one. STARTING TECHS! In I:R, there are many meh techs, with a couple of super strong ones further down. You want to plan which specific techs you are building towards and focus on them, instead of a couple of low level ones.
Recommendations for good opening builds for nations with 8 techs at the start:
- Monarchies that are going to be conquering pops of other religions or cultures should take the left hand side of the religious techs aiming for "Proscribed Canon" and further down there is "Formulaic Worship". Monarchies have a law which gives either cultural assimilation or religious conversion, both in a flat number and a percentage. The flat number is *very* important, because most bonuses are percentage and the base rate is super low. Nearby is also a couple of military themed techs just to the right of Proscribed Canon. You want the increased levy % (also aim for the military traditions that give levy recruitment bonuses, they're super strong)
- For getting rich af go for the civic techs. The left hand tree is all about trade routes which is more useful on smaller nations at the start but the right hand side of that tree gives you a +4 building slots for your capital which is nice. The left hand side of the right hand tree is very good for making all your cities better 'cus it adds a global +1 building slot for all cities, as well as cost reduction and a few other nice bonuses.
- For anyone who wants to be expansionist, your want the diplomatic tree. The left tree deals with AE mitigation, improved Improve Relations rates and more Diplomatic Relations slots. Highly recommended if you want to play one of the Diodochi 'cus you can turn Greece in to a vassal swarm which you can then annex. Also gives you access to the Grand Theatre building, which helps convert pops quickly.
- The Military techs are good, but there are only 3 *very* good ones and there's only 1 that I would recommend rushing. There's the one to the left that gives you Foundries, basically Manufactories in EU4. There's the one that unlocks having a Legion in every region, mandatory for late game. But the one to rush is a tier 2 one to the right hand side of the middle tree, which is concerned with Sieges. It gives you an extra Engineer in every army, which is absolutely massive. Having a single engineer will make a siege go about 20% faster and having 5+ engineers will make them happen almost instantly. If you have several levies from various regions that you only have 1 territory in, they will each have their own Engineer. Super busted.
Actually, speaking of tech stuff, how you produce technology score is by having lots of Nobles. Nobles and Citizens both produce it, but Nobles produce *waaaay* more. That means you want to have as many Acadamies as you can build, until you hit your innovation cap (check your tech screen, it's in the top left). If you're doing lots of conquering of a single culture, it can be worth giving that culture not just Citizenship, but Noble rights. Each culture with Noble rights reduces your primary culture's happiness by 5% though, so I generally reserve it for Macedonian, Roman or Punic.
Something else that you wanna do when taking new territories is check to see if the AI have built Provincial Legations, Tribal Settlements or... Barrackses? The rural version of the Barracks. If they have built the first 2, delete them always. If they have built the 3rd one, keep it if you are really struggling for manpower, but 90% of the time just delete them. You want to be building Farms and Mines as much as possible, with Slave Estates for anything that cannot take a Mine or Farm. This will *massively* boost your economy because each Farm and Mine increases the base production by 1, which is usually hard because you need heaps of slaves to boost production.
If you're struggling with Provincial Loyalty, build Courts. You can get 0.09 loyalty per city from them, but if you get the Grand Theatre and Grand Temple techs (Theatre: 5 down on the right hand side of the left tree. Temple: 3 down on the way to Proscribed Canon. Getting both of them with your first 8 techs is not a bad start as well) you can push it to 0.15, which can be easily be the difference between keeping a rebellion down and not. Unfortunately you need to see the problem coming and build them first, 'cus if a province has under 35 loyalty you cannot build in it.
I've got a bunch more stuff, but that's all that's coming to me for now
Also, there's an option in the trade panel to auto-accept all trade offers that won't take away capital surplus, this is really useful so you will make buckets of ducats without having to accept every single request manually. There's also a tab to view all provinces, you can sort them by loyalty for example, so you can put harsh treatment the disloyal provinces from that UI. You can also set all policies to conversion there as well, just a bit quicker and less infuriating to click every province manually
Laith nervously repeating “this is fine” every few minutes is the best part of this video
In your next run, once this campaign is done, have a look at the invictus extended timeline mod.
If I remember correctly the tactic you have active on an army varies in effectiveness with which units are present in the army. Furthermore I think they countered each other.
It has been a couple of years but I remember quite liking the whole idea.
Tldr, you better check which tactics your armies and navies have active. Micromanaging them can be quite usefull.
Imperator will never die in our hears❤.
“Every game does supply”
- One million men fighting in Alaska in Victoria 3
I'm glad to see these Imperator videos kicking off.
I'm actually trying the game out again in 2023 because of them
That was a great video. Glad you're giving I:R some love.
Make sure ur governors aren't disloyal or the provinces will lose loyalty very quick
Fingers crossed for part three! Love seeing these Imperator videos Laith, thank you so much
I seriously can't thank you enough for revitalising my favourite game
I'd love to see more of Carthage in Imperator, hope the algorithm really gets this video out there ❤
Would be hyped to see part 3, though tbh I'm already super happy that you're playing more Imperator!
Of note on the fort thing, in the military tab of the province you have fort infrastructure, which starts at 0/5. First fort in a city is +3, extra levels are +1. As long as you consolidate forts they're not near ad expensive. It's similar rules to force limit.
Wait until Laith discovers the autonomous armies thing again
Some quick tips
- Aggressive Expansion lowers Stability, you can spend some Political Influence to boost stability in the Religion tab by performing a Sacrifice
- Forts lower Unrest
- Integrating a culture will cost stability in the short term but make that culture much happier and make it so there pops add to your levy. It will also give you the ability to embrace their military traditions if you meet some requirements
Really have been enjoying you playing Imperator. I would love to see a part 3!
"I wouldn't ever bet against elephants"
Scipio Africanus disagrees.
Future reference my dude! In nation tab, there is another tab for “administration”, there you can select individual regions and all the provinces you control in them. You can more efficiently enable auto trading, and more importantly, more easily change province laws/edicts. Conversation, trade, etc. it is far better than going to the region on the map and doing it the way you’ve showcased
Carthage winning the Punics is one of my favourite uchrony, because the world would have changed so much, it's really great to imagine.
I love that you’re single handedly reviving this game!
part 3 pls! love watching these
Mercs always start at 0 morale, presumably so you can't just immediately summon large strong stacks in enemy heartlands.
oh nice new music. great change!
Once I played a multiplayer campaign of IR. It was my second ever playthrough of the game and I had a period of twenty years with several civil wars and countless uprisings. What made it even worse was the fact that that state of being lasted for several sessions (we had one session a week), so it felt like my country was on fore for several weeks. When I finally got it under control however, it was one of the most satisfying moments I’ve had in a paradox game.
I'm a big enjoyer of this game too, so I think I should give some tips maybe you already know to prevent province rebellions:
1- always appoint a governor with 0 corruption no matter finese or other skills especially at the first 100 years of the game. corruption is the worst modifier in a province's unhappiness that leads to rebellions
2- if ur planning to expand like crazy rush for grand theater and grand temple buildings research and build them in every city u can
3- try to concentrate the population in one city in newly conquered states, this will help you control the pops and build more building that increase happiness
4- maybe this is the most important: check province pops when you first conquer them. there are some provinces in game with high pops with no cities. build cities in those provinces as soon as you can to build buildings that increase happiness
5- forts are not that useless. only build them in state capitals. they increase civilization level
I think this is the paradox game that has the best soundtrack. so give it a chance😊
Please do more of this, I'd absolutely love for Paradox to revive this game and put more effort into it again, it could be so great!
Thank you, for making vids on emperor, please, continue
WE DEMAND PART 3!!!!!!!! FOR imperator, Rome
carthage taking over greece would be an awesome part 3.
A really fun but challenging run is to play as the kingdom of Epirus and role play King Pyrrhus’s campaigns against the Romans. You have a very narrow window to defeat the Romans before they get too big and before Macedon looks to swallow you.
Finally, new TSS video.
You've inspired me to persevere through my own wave of rebellions in my Massilia game
Let's go part 3!
1:15, Mercs start with 0 experience. You want to click on them and then click on the circle of arrows to the right of the page, called something like "Reorganise Army". It ups the maintenance cost by a lot, but also increases the morale recovery. You can get an army to full morale in 3 "ticks" (not the actual game tick, I just can't remember if morale is recovered weekly or monthly) as opposed to 10+. Basically you only use it if you absolutely *need* the army to be at full morale ASAP, but is very useful for quickly countering armies or opening new fronts.
I personally enjoy so much watching you play Imperator, here's hoping for part 3 of this campaign!
I only have like 500 hours in this game but laith, build roads it converts pops faster and forts increase province loyality. Also u don't need to keep sending the boats into port. Just put them in the adjacent water tile by the port and select your army then right click the boat. :)
Also rule of thumb try to keep aggressive expansion below 30 otherwise you'll start having big problems with stability and loyalty
Glad you figured out the army/navy stances, its a bit like a more complicated rock paper scissors.
Part 3! More please!
imperator recommendation: Thrace, both a Diadochi with good mission tree, fun and challenging
You can choose where (within their own province) you raise your levies. There's a map mode you can add on the bottom right
I was looking at the first part of that video when you're taking that 100+ AE and was wondering how will you react on future chaos :DDD
A few tips to how proceed with conquering AE, stability etc.:
- I usualy try to not go aboive 50AE but with really stable country you can go above that
- When you need to bump the stability quciker that normaly you can use sacrifice to the gods interaction in the religion menu
- When preparing for the war you can conscript everyone at a time and move them to a border beacuse there's no block like in CK series that you can't declare war when levies are up and running
- There's a levies mapmode and then you can click on the map for each region and raise levies wherever your cursor points, but of course you can only raise levies in their own region
Oh boy, i remember my first Antigonid run where i conquered all the diadochi only to have revolts break everything apart.
Most people who have this game haven’t played since release. Have you considered making a guide or do you have any guides you recommend?
We need another video of this playthrough
The mod "Natus Vincere - Better Governor Policies" makes the AI pick better governor policies. For example, as Rome, when you conquer new areas in Italy, the default policy is usually cultural conversion. I don't like wasting points on policies every time the governor changes or I conquer new land.
I’m really loving all of this imperator content ❤️ it gives me hope for the future of this game
Can you do a native Egyptian playthrough, free of the Ptolemy's? I am curious about how you would do it though, maybe through the tiny vassal state, or a rebellion perhaps...
I want to see how far the Mediterranean empire goes. Would be cool to see Carthaginian Greece and Illyria but idk if you’re capable of that Laith
WE NEED PART 3!!
I love you laith for keeping this game alive!
Mandatory comment for when I see Laith's Imperator Rome videos keep the series going love it!
Please play more, I’m loving this . Got me into playing the game and I’ve been playing a ton. Great game
Woo, more Carthage! Love to see you finish off Romans and secure the med.
To be candid, assuming Carthage had been victorious in the Punic wars, they would have most likely opted for lenient agreements with Rome, as their ruling class favoured commerce with Rome rather than treating them as captives.
Loving this series man this game is so good. With just a couple DLC to flesh out some of the mechanics and leave the flavour expansion up to the absolute heroes running Invictus this would rival other headline pdx games easy. The pops system gives so much leverage to make everything connect so well. Grand Theaters and the Religion equivalent need nerfing though, too easy to convert everyone in 30 years and ignore large multicultural empire problems and interesting gameplay by just spamming them, for the moment I just play as though they don't exist most of the time, think it's more fun that way.
if you do another playthrough, play as a migratory tribe, ravage rome then migrate to like india.
ive discovered you can depopulate entire regions, by occupying them in a war and settling on them. if you are just barely dominant, for example 28 vandals and 27 romans, if you press the migrate button a few times, THEY ALL MIGRATE AS VANDALS its kind of OP
and i used this to depopulate the entire latium province including rome giving me a hord of 100k soldiers
14:28 My Brain: this man needs a hug
I've played this game almost as much as I've played EU4. Most achievements are pretty dull, but there are some great ones worth trying and maybe making a video about. The Sparta one is pretty cool, for example.
Some say Laith isn't very good at EU IV - but noone can say Laith is good at I:R
laith please make more imperator videos dude together we won't let this game die
I swear Leith obssesion with imperator is so contagious
You're my hero, laithe
5:18 FABIAN TACTICS LETS GOOO
Drive back them Romans!
Girls with a time machine: I'm your granddaughter, omg
Boy with times machine: here Hannibal, try this
that thumbnail is quite something....
That thumbnail goes hard af ngl
I am absolutely commenting because I want this to get a third, fourth, and a fifth, part. I want to see that Carthaginian Empire.
I'd really like a part 3 as well as more IR in general. :)
I need more of this!
You need to build Forts in your provinces. Fort are very economical you just can't go above the limit in a Province. One or two low tier forts doesn't cost much and slows down enemies
play more of this game
hahaha, it's a classic mistake to expand too quickly in IR when ur new! i feel the painnn, but on the bright side, ur sooo much less likely to make that mistake twice. i CANT wait to see more, I'm eating these ir videos up, it's like crack
the fact that you fought through it and didn't load an earlier save when you had 0 stab and over 100 AE is insane to me
Please do a third part
If anyone's interested in Carthaginian history, "The Layman's Historian" podcast has done an excellent series on the history of Carthage, really listenable and he has models of the famous battle on his website.
This title is probably the most Laith title I've ever seen
TBH you would have had an easier time contending in iberia
So I just sub to you because you played that game ... So please make other parts
Laithanos snaps Rome out of existence. This thumbnail is real art not gonna lie.
Also if you want to play Age of Wonders again with a ridiculous build that has 70 to 80 percent crit chance plus additional crit damage just ask me. It's gonna be fun for you I swear.
Edit: Hope you got therapy after this. 😊
please, sacrifice something to the gods, that stab is so tiny!!! i also feel that rebellion feels. its fun but dang why is everyone so angry sometimes. I also like the full automation you can put your armys on, makes its fun to focus on one legion when needed
Laith, if you care about achievements then you should know that Imperator’s are bugged. You can still get them but you do so by fullfilling the requierments and then going to the in-game achievement menu.
This does put a smile on my face
14:30 YOU DONT UNDERSTAND, Oh boy do I not? It almost made me ragequit and never play the game again. Those rebellions are hell
When your War Exhaustion was at 20 you should have invoked Devotio. Which is a power in the religious menu that decreases war exhaustion but raises Tyranny
Here's The Secret: Being a Tyrant is awsome in this game. The Higher your Tyranny, the faster your aggresive expansion goes down and you get more income fron Slaves. You needed to raise your Tyranny, then you would have had fewer revolts.
Please laith I want more 😢😭😭
MOAR! I DEMAND MOAR!!!! :):):):) Sorry to hear you had a bad time with rebels though :(
I hope more people will play the game now xD
I think if your ruler is a lunatic you can actually sack the city and salt the land
To boost the engagement
You don't need to raise your levies after you declare war. You can raise up your levy and then move them to the war you want to conquer first. You can also raise them in any territory in the province with the Levy map mode. Also "Mil Tech" is meaningless in this game so looking at it doesn't tell you anything
PART 3 PART 3 PART 3 PART 3 PART 4 PART 5
I did not know Seleucids could form Persia and I play as them rn 0_o
Hail Carthage! More, more, more!