Special thanks to MarMAr for editing, and MrPuertorican and ConnerJB for some of the still-image renders. List of what I forgot so far: - 2 SSDs that were part of Black fleet (I thought for some reason they weren' confirmed as battlecruisers or SSDs, so I left them out, but Before the Storm does say all 3 are Super-class)
@@thedatatreader Really? The same length as a basic ISD? Seemed *way* more special than that! Lets see... Ahh! Wookieepedia say ">1600m" - So Greater than, or, to be fair, 'not less than' might be a better way to say it. So yeah, it was at the very LEAST 1600m, but could have been longer. And it is mentioned that it was definitely 'taller' than an ISD, so even if the length IS the same, the overall 'bulk' would be greater.
Shocking how karma hasn't set in against him during the Legacy era, although a certain distant future Tales comic involving a decrepit Threepio may have finally done it.
@Speedster___ R2 was fried partway through the DS1 fight, remember. He can't get the usual credit while unconscious for the killshot. He did carry the plans though...
@@daralcampbell2171 it makes zero sense people just wanted their characters in stories beat the odds but everyone did it constantly lmao Boy I sure hope like 5 guys don't break in and destroy this unbelievable expensive massive ship like it is taking a freighter and sabotaging it
@@nnnn11112 that's not so much a plot armour thing as much of a scale thing I have no issues where the super ships get sabotaged I like when imperial nerds cry (it's funny) Its the scale that bothers me like you need way more coordination and probably people to get one of these things crippled. Like you can't steer these obnoxiously large thing like a one person piloting it And being fair it's not even a Jedi thing plenty of other time it's just operatives
I'm just loving this whole business with "a group of rebels board and steal/destroy an Executor". Like, I can just picture - a quiet day at Wilhelmshaven, the anchorage of the Imperial Navy. A group of dudes on dinghies sneak in, board a dreadnought... and take it out to sea... and actually get away.. It reaches new heights of ridiculous so much so that it's cool😅
@@papapalps2415 Both canon and legends agree on 280,000 crew with canon also stating 38,000 troops and support. That's like a five second check my guy, come on now.
@@papapalps2415 Sorry I should've finished.... Versus a Subjugator class the crew of which consists of 23,350 for a ship roughly a quarter of the size and less advanced, and apparently can have a minimum crew of 900 which is a tad obscene in the opposite direction, but the point still stands.
@@papapalps2415 My point is that a ship with that is very comparable, literally a quarter the size, can be operated with an 1/8th the crew. So yes, the Executor class specifically as well as most star dreadnoughts are excessively inefficient with crew complements. To the point even as is stated in the video that zero command was incapable of crewing their star dreadnoughts, signifying an extreme lack of automation, versus other, older ships. See my point yet? Also, yes, scale is indeed comical in star wars. The GAR was.... not even comically, obscenely or absurdly but some combination of all 3 combined, undersized for the conflict and enemy they faced. That doesn't excuse other obvious failures in scaling when on other occasions scaling is properly achieved.
If I had a decicred for every time a Star Dreadnought rammed a Torpedo Sphere, I would have two decicreds, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
@@The_cestelin_Holland Corey might have a video on it already but they're massive almost spheres (They used to be like a third or quarter the length of a SSD and far thicker but they didn't get scaled up when the Executor went from 8km to 19.) They're loaded with torpedoes to nuke down part of a planetary shield so the generator or projector below can be blasted with turbolasers.
Corey, god bless you for this long form content. It’s all so high quality. I’ve gotten so much cleaning done listening to your longer videos in the background lately.
Something interesting about the Night Hammer is that it shares it's name with the 18th Sector Army which was also headquartered on Eriadu. It's name likely comes from this and not from Delvarus' lover.
If I had a nickel for every time an SSD rams into something, I'd have 4 nickles. Which to be fair, isn't a lot but losing those SSDs must've hurt... a lot.
The Lusankya destroyed a Vong World Ship (the first every destroyed) and its commander, the father of the military leader of all Vong und creator of the Vong war doctrin. The lost of the World Ship shocked the Vong thinking these ships can't be destroyed which buyed enough time for the Galactic forces to reorganise and beat the Vong.
Out of tge four... Lucy was the best use of the Ramming since it had massive Stragetic and tactical ramifications making it worth it. The Eclipse 2... is a far second since she got a collateral on Byss. But since that was done by Artoo assuming control and not willingly be the crew kinda doesn't count when compare to the other 3. More of an enemy action deal.
@nicohahnel8239 Not the first destroyed. There were a couple of small worldships destroyed via weird nonsense on the ice planet in Vector Prime. And Kyp aborted one. Borleias was just the first time we saw one destroyed in a space battle.
50+..huh yeah that sounds like enough for every Imperial Remnant to have been able to pull an SSD out of their ass. Seriously felt like those things got passed out like candy after the Empire fell.
The british wmpire had 32 dereadnought battleships in service in 1917, with 4 more on the stocks, and twice as many pre dreadnoughts. These are their equivalent in SW. 50 of them for a power that controls significantly more than half of the inhabited area seems low if anything.
Oh i'm sure the Empire had a whole lot more, even if SSD's were probably the most expensive thing they built short of the two deathstars, though the real question there is what happened to all of those.
@@papapalps2415 True, though i'm mostly talking about things around an Executor's size, of which i doubt they had one for all 1000 or so sectors, though with the amount that crawled out of the woodwork post Endor, maybe they did. lol
The one thing I loved about the first order’s Supremacy Star dreadnought was that is was used to build there star destroyers and service them. That’s something that definitely I’d want put into my SSD ships.
A fan ship i would like to see some lore created for is the Wyvern of the Abyss by Jamison Cunningham. By looks alone it appears to be the largest super star destroyer in comparison to the ISDs in the preview animation.
As an Historian for Imperial naval Developments and Warfare you can provide the sources for all the data you have here, right? (Just a joke) Yeah, the Datapad with it's clean presentation of informations is my top Star Wars - Nerd Channel! There is nothing like the smell of Turbolaser trails that crushed local planetary Rebel cells in the morning!
By the end of the Yuuzhan Vong War, only one DEFINITELY remained, the Guardian. There was talk of a 'Super Star Destroyer' in the Imperial Remnant's hands, POSSIBLY the Megador, but it was only seen once and linking the two is guesswork at best.
As impractical as ships like these are, you can't deny they're cool (and Rule of Cool is what half the tech in SW operates on). I've come up with my own class of Super Star Destroyer for my Empire of the Hand AU: Renaissance-class Super Star Destroyer (about 12 km long) Built: Kuat Drive Yard’s Spiral Shipyards, Nirauan system. Officially finished construction in 21 ABY, but Admiral Parck would occasionally make use of its incomplete state before then. The Renaissance class is a shorter, wider, heavier-set, ship than the more familiar Executor-class SSDs from the old Galactic Empire, taking several design features from the prototype Eclipse class, including integrated interdiction technology, a complement of over 400 TIE Defender fighters, and a superlaser capable of cracking a planetary crust (or a Yuuzhan Vong world ship). Like other Empire of the Hand designs, the Renaissance-class’ bridge is not located in an exposed tower, but rather deep inside the ship, with cameras and a powerful sensor suite compensating for the lack of viewports. Borrowing from Mon Calamari designs, the Renaissance-class also utilizes overlapping shield technology. As well as standard Imperial weaponry like turbolasers, tractor beams and ion cannons, the Renaissance -class also utilizes Chiss Ascendency weaponry such as Plasma ball launchers and breacher missiles. The main difference from the earlier class (and, the "selling point" that convinced then-Grand Moff Xelarra to sign off on its creation) is the ability of the Renaissance-class to carry up to five Imperial or Spiral- class Star Destroyers on the hull itself, with the smaller (but still capital sized) ships docking on five triangular recesses on the main hull, 3 on top of the superstructure, two below. The Renaissance-class can thus act as a mobile repair station as well as the command ship. Its main hanger bay can internally carry ships up to 300 m in length (i.e. the size of an Arquitens-class light cruiser or an Explorer-class research/scout vessel). The Renaissance also has integrated Interdictor technology, and is equipped with several cloaking devices (necessary because of the ship’s size). These two systems cannot normally be used at the same time, though Grand Admiral Thrawn remembers a few tricks learned earlier in his career to get around this limitation. As cloaking devices are double-blind - they protect a ship from detection, but said ship also cannot see outside of it when activated through conventional means, the cloak is most effectively used with the cooperation of an Imperial Knight, who can use the Force to sense outside the cloak. However, with proper timing and practice the cloaks can be used without the assistance of Force-users. As the Empire of the Hand did not sign the Pellaeon-Gavrisom Treaty, they are not prohibited from using cloaking devices. Known vessels in the class: SSD Renaissance CO: Fleet Admiral Voss Parck (19-28 ABY), Grand Admiral Thrawn (28 ABY +)XO: Commodore Eli Vanto (28 ABY+) Starfighter commander: Colonel Jagged Fel (28 ABY +) Flagship of the Navy of the Hand. Displays the same Paccosh signil as the ISD Chimaera on its hull. Commissioned by Fleet Admiral Parck, in anticipation of Grand Admiral Thrawn’s rumoured return in 19 ABY. Thrawn (actually his clone, known as ‘Raw’nuru’ until he was ready to retake the mantle of Grand Admiral) did not take command until the beginning of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, after the Evacuation of Lysatra.
Their overall failure is partially the same as to why the Imperial class failed. Imperial starfighter doctrine was terrible considering only about 10% of pilots actually passed the training. The TIE/ln fighter is ok but its shortcomings fail it overall.
@@papapalps2415 Imperial-classes (both 1 and 2) failed to win the war for the Empire. This was mostly due to naval doctrine. The lack of proper fighter support left the large vessels vulnerable. My opinion is based off of what we are shown over the games, books, comics, shows, and movies. However large, numerous, or deadly these ships were they lost. Because they, like most of the Imperial military, are shown to be VERY incompetent. Around a dozen are destroyed in the rebels series alone costing over 37K ship personnel plus complement which accounts for around 47K. TLDR: Yes they, ISD1 and ISD2, were wildly produced and were very powerful, but they are more often then not shown to be not very successful in what they were designed to do, and a big part of that failure is their starfighter complement.
@@NeSeeger THeir over all failure is mainly because "rebels are good guys and need something great to overcome. It needs to look and be impressive, but it can't be so powerful that the rebels have no chance." Stuff like Iron ist VS SOlo Command. Even before Iron Fist was 19km long, it shoulda been much nastier for the rebels. Then again, X-Wing novels are basically the equivalent of a WW2 based 60s Saturday Morning Cartoon and tehy really shill the rebel fighters. IN ANH, and even RotJ, the TIEs are basically on par with the rebel fighters... Meanwhile everywhere else: "KD RATIO 1:500!!!" and such. The issue aren't the designs. The issues are the writers who used, and still use, a very shallow approach of "Emprie gets this big thing, so that the Rebels can destroy it."
@@undertakernumberone1 Yeah that's pretty bang on really. The empire would of quickly added some seriously capable anti-starfighter systems to combat that on almost every ship. There are other ways the rebels could of won (Cultural, propaganda, cyber warfare (Maybe)). Also its hilarious how starfighter weapons can seriously damage a capital ship, bit like a p47 thunderbolt strafing the yamato pre-damage, with 50 cals and sinking it 2 minutes afterwards with only said weapons, just mental really. Not only that, when you see something big on screen in star wars that's on the enemy side, you know its useless and will be blown up before the episode ends. At least show it dominating in some aspects or episodes if you are going to end it so early. Essentially the worf effect or boy who cries wolf, but much worse.
I like the Mandator 2 and the Bellator-class much more than the Executor-class. In all the games it looks like a smaller ship with the same firepower, so that it is easier to bring all your firepower on one point.
Honestly I much prefer those two designs as well (both in general and in game). Often I find that it works far better to have a fleet with one reasonably large ship that has a smaller enough cost that you can deploy it alongside a larger number of capital ships, rather than a single big ship that practically has to be deployed on its own.
imo bellator is my favourite ssd class. It's design is so cool and it looks like it could easily take any other ship ever build (without any superweapons).
Not trying to um actually here just wondering if I am remembering that right. Great video as always Corey, especially the Night Hammer line almost spit out my coffee.
Guardian was at Mon Cal for the final battle there yes, IIRC could not repair and refit and get across the dovin basal mines in time to make it to thr recapture of Coruscant.
I remember one massive Imperial ship from the game Jedi Knight 2, I can't probably remember the name more but I think it was calld "Doomviga" or something like that.
very happy you made this, i would like to see a list video for lesser imperial warlords if possible as i hadn't heard of some of the ones in this video
Sure enough…most fans doesn’t know SSD Vengeance… the task force vengeance led into Airam Sector and the SSD was destroyed by Rogue Squadron but the campaign was a draw where the Rebellion could not establish a shipyard in the sector while Imperial could not eliminate the Rebel forces and loss their SSD
honestly, the main issue regarding the "usefulness" of Dreadnoughts, or basically ANYTHING Imperial is simply that they are the designated villain. As such, their stuff exists for our heroes to be destroyed, or captured, or captured and destroyed. TIEs in the OT are shown to be not that much worse than X-Wings, yet supplimentary material makes htem wet paper. THe bigger the weapon, the better for the heroes that destroy it. If the Empire then has something that isn't either cheap throaway stuff or super expensive super weaponry, and/or would hard counter Rebels, like the Lancer, it's something that gets excused away. Or the effectiveness of Stomtroopers. Tantive IV gets overrun in short order. Echo base falls... Rebels are the good guys, Empire is the villains. If we'd move it to earth and the Empire was using Fletcher class destroyers, they would still find a way to make them be "a waste of ressources" or some such. Adding to that thanks to the size history, there was stuff like "Iron Fist VS Solo Command", which even in the 8km days shoulda been weighted in Iron Fist's favour. The issue isn't the ships, a lot of the time, but "Rebels are the good guys and gotta win. Their stuff needs to be either "better", or at least more efficient."
FYI - Many of these are modded into "Starsector" and are quite playable. Slow as fck, outrageously expensive, inefficient and tough as nails. It will give you a wonderful opportunity to experience these massive ships in the environment they were meant to be in; slow and gigantic fleet battles where it lumbers into into the enemy, daring anyone to enter its weapons range.
@@MusicalBoarder Just put "starsector star wars mod" into UA-cam. "Starsector" is the pc game and there is a giant up-to-date Star Wars mod bringing a vast menagerie of SW ships and planets into it. They went way too hard in adding every obscure fighter craft SW has to offer.
The honour of having the thickest plot armour in every franchise, by far, goes to the rebels, hand down. I mean one regular SSD should be enough to wreak havoc on any rebel fleet and their rickety, outdated ships. And yet the rebels have managed to destroy, death stars, SSD and the likes.
The other option for the Mystery Super Ship in Destiny's Way is a Vengeance, and one of the two ships (Most fans seem to agree with you guys rhe Dominion is "only" a Bellator, but often make the Megador thr same mystery ship from Destiny's Way, and a Vengeance or Executor with a different engine count from custom work)
All we really learn here is that if you make a really big ship, it'll attract a lot of attention. Most of the largest warships in history were sunk after having little to no effect in battles in their respective theater or war (Bismark, Tirpitz, Yamato, Arizona, Oklahoma to name a few). It also reminds me of one of Murphy's combat laws, don't be conspicuous because it draws enemy fire.
@andrewbutton2039 It ran under the city, the city was rebuilt atop it, and all witnesses mindwiped by Palpatine possibly with Inquisitorial assistance. Until a later source said it was built at Kuat, one theory was that it literally got built in-place by the droids that demolish and rebuild coruscant.
That comes from X-Wing: The Krytos Trap. As far as hiding it, the Empire literally razed a 100km area of the city, landed the ship on a massive repulsorlift platform, then rebuilt the city over it. It wasn't hiding so much as buried. It shot it's way out and killed millions, then punched a hole through a 2 layer planetary shield to get out. There's a section where Wedge was wondering if the Emperor was able to use the dark side to wipe everyone's memory of that to keep it secret, since the alternative is they simply killed all the witnesses.
@Ethan0433 Krytos Trap itself wasn't clear how it got there, just a selection of theories. And *technically* they lowered the shields before Isard had finished shooting her way out of the bottom one. The alternative waa her turning the guns on the city to force them to drop it.
@@DIEGhostfish So yes, those are theories, but given I haven't found other info on it, I figured the book where it leaves was probably a decent source. And yes, it absolutely shot it's way out of the shields. Once it breached the lower shield, forward guns focused the upper ones while the mid-ship and rear ones kept the lower hole open. The ship then engages one of the Golan defense platforms, which manages to break the SSD's shields, and they jettison the lift cradle to block fire while they escape.
Ok, wait, wait, wait. Will NOT be talking about any ships UNDER 7km, just think about that. That is 4.35 MILES long, currently the largest ship EVER built was the Seawise Giant, an oil supertanker that was a staggering 1504 ft/458.45m with a total tonnage of 260,941. The largest moving object built on earth and yet it is comparable to only a 418 Arrestor/Imperial Class II Frigate/Vakbeor-class cargo frigate, just, FYI.
It's interesting that so many of these were sabotaged since the fall of the empire. Which makes sense. They were huge and required massive numbers of crew and security. None of which the splintered factions had since the empire fell
I had a character in the d20 Star Wars roleplaying game who was tricked by Vader and the Emperor into believing the rebellion had killed the woman he loved and so he became a Sith and 8 years after Endor he launched an attack against the New Republic with three identical Executor class destroyers, each captained by one of three female triplet sisters. His goal was to convince the New Republic he had developed a new super hyper drive so that they had to spread forces out to defend several systems and when the attack came, he would overwhelm the defenses with his fleet. He also design asnd built a huge ship, almost 50 KM long, that contained a black hole generator as a primary weapon.
The merits of mahanism in a monopolar world are perhaps somewhat questionable, but its not like the Uas suddenly decommisionaed its CABGs at the end of the cold war. Star dreadnoughts are the capital ships of SW and are the ultimate tools of sea (well, space) control. Their importance and power is sufficient as evidenced by the waelords era, to single handedly turn the outcomes of entire campigns. You may be able to build tgojsands of snubfighters for the cost of a single executor, but they will not win you a campaign to conquer a major core world. A star dreadnought might.
I don't know that I agree with that assessment. On Earth, carriers are the primary tool of force projection not because they in themselves are effective frontline warships, but because the greatest tool of modern war is either: a blistering array of intercontinental missiles, or fighter jets. Carriers can carry both, and planes don't have the ability to reasonably fly across the entire world without *some* kind of base, or they'd be too weighed down by fuel. But in Star Wars, you could reasonably build a dozen thousand fighters with hyperdrives, pop in unannounced and drop a hundred thousand proton torpedoes on an SSD (or god forbid, a *planetary target,* imagine what that would do to your well established defensive line) and then just... leave again. Even more, an Executor (assuming you are not a madman and are, in fact, a sensible admiral) can't feasibly indiscriminately bombard a planet, without risk of massive damage to the reason you're there in the first place, namely resources, both living and material. Fighters strike with precision ordnance, leaving less dead and more intact infrastructure.
@@TheHazelnoot In the real world carriers effectively outranged gun warships while maintaining theiir lethality, and thus replaced them. In SW fightercraft can not quickly and effectively destroy cpaital warships, only gradually degrade tham at close range, with great risk to themselves from escorting fighters and point defence fire. Two more points. star dreadnoughts themselves carry extensive complements of snubfighters for this aforementioned self escort, but could also be launched on strike missions. And also, carriersa sre not the premier surface combatants IRL either. Guided missile cruisers, guided missile submarines, and hunter killer submarines are. Carriers serve as fleet centerpieces due to their size and cost, but for that cost they are not an effective way of deploying anti shipping firepower.
I love how time and time again officers used these ships as their flagships. Meanwhile the mortality rate of officers using these ships as their flagships-
Maybe I’m mistaken but I Rember playing thrawns revenge and the penestar alignment having a one of a kind super star destroyer type. I don’t Remember what it was called but it had a giant square and blue rayshileided hanger right on top of the ship. And it wasn’t a venator 2 rather it was a full super star destroyer. I never learned the name of it but it was definitely unique among Star Wars ships. It looked more… modern? I guess? While still looking Star warsy.
And don't forget once a dreadnaught class warship is built in empire at war regardless of mod you know the player will be using the ship until it's destroyed or a retreat is initiated or victory is secured
Got to Love how know one knows what the fuck Megador is. Like, they don’t tell us in ANY of the series they show her in. Like you would have thought Legacy of the force would have given us Something but NO
Super Star Destroyers ARE worth it Corey! And I'll show you why, when I defeat Rey Palpatine and her friends for the glory of the Sontaran Empire!!! Also, they just keep having them get sabotaged cause they are too lazy to write them off in an epic battle
X wing Vs Tie fighter Executor was cannon, not mentioned. Many times are incorrect, given before Battle of Endor, when far far after. Mandator 1, 2, 3 all have official information.
What about hte Arc Hammer? I know it's technically a factory shipand only one made, but at >9,600m that's at least 6 ISDs in length it should definitely be classified as a dreadnaught/supership as well.
I really don't think having ships this big really helps any space faring empire. It can only be in one place at a time, if it goes down you lose a lot, and the resources to keep them running is extreme. I would think it would be a lot better to have a ton of smaller ships available for use, especially if you can have some staging planets with the resources for the crews until they need to get deployed. Then you can also put them into skeleton mode at a dock, and if one goes down, no worries. Plus, if anything in Star Wars, you see that smaller ships beat the bigger ones. Though with a ton of medium sized cruisers you can setup them up as with capital ship killers, gunboats, or faster attack ships for running down pirates.
They controlled an entire galaxy. The cost of even losing a thousand of them would be minimal. The first Death Star was by volume hundreds of thousands of times larger than any Executor-class, and was built on a secret budget. I would say that the Empire had more than enough resources to have all types of warships. What I find interesting is that Han Solo did say that the Empire had a lot of them. Like they where not rare at all. "Oh don't get jittery Luke, there are a lot of command ships", or something like that. That to me suggests that Star Wars fans has completely underestimated the size of the Imperial Starfleet to a pretty large extent. We know it's large enough to have more firepower than the Death Star, based on A New Hope, which would suggest that the Imperial Starfleet must be absolutely astronomical in size. "Plus, if anything in Star Wars, you see that smaller ships beat the bigger ones" In the movies, smaller ships always struggles against larger ships. Capital ships are pretty much impervious to Starfighters. It's always luck that allows fighters and and other small ships to take out larger ones. And usually during the presence of friendly capital ships.
Special thanks to MarMAr for editing, and MrPuertorican and ConnerJB for some of the still-image renders.
List of what I forgot so far:
- 2 SSDs that were part of Black fleet (I thought for some reason they weren' confirmed as battlecruisers or SSDs, so I left them out, but Before the Storm does say all 3 are Super-class)
I think they weren't Executors (Intimidator was the only one) but other Star Dreadnoughts, like the Vengeance, Mandator or Bellator.
another one you've missed, the SSD Vengeance from the X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter Balance of Power campaign(s)
What about that one-off Imperial invasion ship from 'Jedi Knight 2'...? Or was that not big enough to meet the 7km requirement?
@JonarusDraconius
You mean the Doomgiver? That was only 1,600 meters according to wookiepedia.
@@thedatatreader Really? The same length as a basic ISD? Seemed *way* more special than that!
Lets see... Ahh! Wookieepedia say ">1600m" - So Greater than, or, to be fair, 'not less than' might be a better way to say it. So yeah, it was at the very LEAST 1600m, but could have been longer. And it is mentioned that it was definitely 'taller' than an ISD, so even if the length IS the same, the overall 'bulk' would be greater.
I have to respect just how many unique images of Executors you have.
16:28 SPECIFICALLY R2 was the one who crashed the eclipse into the GGun and destroyed Byss. Chopper seethes in jealousy at Legends R2's killcount.
Imagine Chooper and R2 have an "competition" like Gimli and Legolas
@@enisra_bowman Legends R2>Chopper>Disney R2 well, I guess it depends on how much chopper actually got done in the Clone Wars.
Shocking how karma hasn't set in against him during the Legacy era, although a certain distant future Tales comic involving a decrepit Threepio may have finally done it.
killed DS1 too if you think about it. droid probably has most tonnage killed
@Speedster___ R2 was fried partway through the DS1 fight, remember. He can't get the usual credit while unconscious for the killshot. He did carry the plans though...
How most of the Imperial Dreadnoughts were destroyed/taken out: Way too easy to sabotage.
Makes sense it’d be a resource drain without the bottomless bit of the Empire
@@daralcampbell2171 it makes zero sense people just wanted their characters in stories beat the odds but everyone did it constantly lmao
Boy I sure hope like 5 guys don't break in and destroy this unbelievable expensive massive ship like it is taking a freighter and sabotaging it
@@nnnn11112 that's not so much a plot armour thing as much of a scale thing
I have no issues where the super ships get sabotaged I like when imperial nerds cry (it's funny)
Its the scale that bothers me like you need way more coordination and probably people to get one of these things crippled.
Like you can't steer these obnoxiously large thing like a one person piloting it
And being fair it's not even a Jedi thing plenty of other time it's just operatives
@@nnnn11112 Jedi are kind of designed to be 1 man wrecking machines lol
Don’t even need to be a Jedi, with plot armor R2-D2 destroyed an eclipse and became a planet killer along the way
I'm just loving this whole business with "a group of rebels board and steal/destroy an Executor". Like, I can just picture - a quiet day at Wilhelmshaven, the anchorage of the Imperial Navy. A group of dudes on dinghies sneak in, board a dreadnought... and take it out to sea... and actually get away.. It reaches new heights of ridiculous so much so that it's cool😅
St Nazaire Raid...
Not cool, but lame writing
Apparently the bigger the ship, the easier it is for 2 people to sneak on board and wreak a bit of havoc.
The imperial "shyness" away from automation and droids, from fear spread after the clone wars, led to such ships have WAY too much crew then needed.
@@papapalps2415 Both canon and legends agree on 280,000 crew with canon also stating 38,000 troops and support. That's like a five second check my guy, come on now.
@@papapalps2415 Sorry I should've finished.... Versus a Subjugator class the crew of which consists of 23,350 for a ship roughly a quarter of the size and less advanced, and apparently can have a minimum crew of 900 which is a tad obscene in the opposite direction, but the point still stands.
@@papapalps2415 My point is that a ship with that is very comparable, literally a quarter the size, can be operated with an 1/8th the crew. So yes, the Executor class specifically as well as most star dreadnoughts are excessively inefficient with crew complements. To the point even as is stated in the video that zero command was incapable of crewing their star dreadnoughts, signifying an extreme lack of automation, versus other, older ships. See my point yet?
Also, yes, scale is indeed comical in star wars. The GAR was.... not even comically, obscenely or absurdly but some combination of all 3 combined, undersized for the conflict and enemy they faced. That doesn't excuse other obvious failures in scaling when on other occasions scaling is properly achieved.
There are more places to hide and sabotage
If I had a decicred for every time a Star Dreadnought rammed a Torpedo Sphere, I would have two decicreds, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
That we *know* of.
They want to pop the big balloon. Wouldn’t you?
So, that leaves, what, only one Torp Sphere remaining as of the Yuuzhan Vong War?
What are torpedo spheres
@@The_cestelin_Holland Corey might have a video on it already but they're massive almost spheres (They used to be like a third or quarter the length of a SSD and far thicker but they didn't get scaled up when the Executor went from 8km to 19.) They're loaded with torpedoes to nuke down part of a planetary shield so the generator or projector below can be blasted with turbolasers.
I had figured the unnamed executor at Fondor was meant to be the Terror's replacement. Given it was being built with a cloak.
Still a waste, though at least the vessel was made with Muggle accessibility in mind. (Sorry not sorry, Stealth-X.)
such a shame that these beautiful ships were destroyed so easily
I do like the Vengeance class, with it's razor thin, dagger like shape
The opposite of plot armor; the more powerful a bad guy's ship is, the more fragile and vulnerable it is.
Yeah well that's what happens when your writing staff has a combined IQ of 6
Many took down entire fleets or decimated entire worlds before being destroyed.
And by rebel scum
Corey, god bless you for this long form content. It’s all so high quality. I’ve gotten so much cleaning done listening to your longer videos in the background lately.
Gotta love the party-sized space Doritos
Something interesting about the Night Hammer is that it shares it's name with the 18th Sector Army which was also headquartered on Eriadu. It's name likely comes from this and not from Delvarus' lover.
*Delvarus' hammer, haha.
lmao@@ExecutiveSonda
Operation Shadow Hand comes from Sector 5
16:11 "luckily for Palpatine he just had to hop in to a new clone body."
Because? Because fuck Episode VI.
You're making me want to play more EAWX. Warlords Period is definitely my favorite thing in Star Wars (Legends or Canon).
He is literally the lead developer of the EAWX mods, Thrawns revenge (the one set post endor) included
This is what we call “marketing”
@@matthewturner5178 Technically since he can't get payed for the mod, the mod is marketing for the channel
@@DIEGhostfish he can get paid for the ads on this video tho lol, also Patreon
@TheEventHorizon909 I know, the channel and patreon are the money makers, so the mod is an advertisement for the channel was the joke.
If I had a nickel for every time an SSD rams into something, I'd have 4 nickles. Which to be fair, isn't a lot but losing those SSDs must've hurt... a lot.
The Lusankya destroyed a Vong World Ship (the first every destroyed) and its commander, the father of the military leader of all Vong und creator of the Vong war doctrin. The lost of the World Ship shocked the Vong thinking these ships can't be destroyed which buyed enough time for the Galactic forces to reorganise and beat the Vong.
Out of tge four...
Lucy was the best use of the Ramming since it had massive Stragetic and tactical ramifications making it worth it.
The Eclipse 2... is a far second since she got a collateral on Byss.
But since that was done by Artoo assuming control and not willingly be the crew kinda doesn't count when compare to the other 3. More of an enemy action deal.
@nicohahnel8239 Not the first destroyed. There were a couple of small worldships destroyed via weird nonsense on the ice planet in Vector Prime. And Kyp aborted one. Borleias was just the first time we saw one destroyed in a space battle.
50+..huh yeah that sounds like enough for every Imperial Remnant to have been able to pull an SSD out of their ass. Seriously felt like those things got passed out like candy after the Empire fell.
I mean, it is the galactic empire. 50 actually seems kind of short when you think about it.
The british wmpire had 32 dereadnought battleships in service in 1917, with 4 more on the stocks, and twice as many pre dreadnoughts.
These are their equivalent in SW. 50 of them for a power that controls significantly more than half of the inhabited area seems low if anything.
Oh i'm sure the Empire had a whole lot more, even if SSD's were probably the most expensive thing they built short of the two deathstars, though the real question there is what happened to all of those.
@@papapalps2415 True, though i'm mostly talking about things around an Executor's size, of which i doubt they had one for all 1000 or so sectors, though with the amount that crawled out of the woodwork post Endor, maybe they did. lol
There are 25.000 ISDs. There is roughly 1 SSD for 500 ISDs…. A ratio way smaller than anything you can find in real life
Schrodinger's Super stardestroyer, simultaneously need million of troopers to operate and get taken over by a few saboteur
Dalaa clearly didn't know that in naval tradition renaming a warship brings bad luck.
Imperials and Yevetha just throwing down those uno reverse cards.
There is just something so visceral about the Bellator’s narrow frame, ya feel?
I feel ya
Same can be said about the Vengeance and it's even narrower frame.
Or the Arc Hammer and it's even even narrower frame.
@@TheTrytix yeah but it lacks the hump. That sorta mishapen look really speaks to me
The one thing I loved about the first order’s Supremacy Star dreadnought was that is was used to build there star destroyers and service them. That’s something that definitely I’d want put into my SSD ships.
The Supremacy might have to be re-classed as something bigger. Im not sure what tho. Supremacy class Starbase Dreadnought?
@@NeSeeger that works
@@NeSeeger or SSF Super Star Fortress
@@nerdwatch1017 That sounds perfect, SSF
@@NeSeeger I wonder if Dave Filoni has plans for more of those eye of scion rings to do a Outbound Flight type story idea down the line
I don't care how impractical they are, I love Super-Star Destroyers and the ridiculous size and firepower they have.
cory i love you thank you for doing this. most SSD lists only include executor-types, so thanks for bringing the rest of the SSDs to the limelight
I would love to have seen the Terror decloak during a losing a battle, single-handedly turning the tide
There’s a Fanfiction where this happens in the closing moments of the battle of Endor. Akbar was stunned to find a trap inside of a trap.
@@tuscan9617sounds interesting. Can you direct me to it?
@@dixieslav1274
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It's just like:
Terror: *Appears* "Buenos dias fuckboy"
I bet 'Destroyed by 2 Jedi' is part of the Construction Timeline for these :)
A fan ship i would like to see some lore created for is the Wyvern of the Abyss by Jamison Cunningham. By looks alone it appears to be the largest super star destroyer in comparison to the ISDs in the preview animation.
As an Historian for Imperial naval Developments and Warfare you can provide the sources for all the data you have here, right? (Just a joke)
Yeah, the Datapad with it's clean presentation of informations is my top Star Wars - Nerd Channel!
There is nothing like the smell of Turbolaser trails that crushed local planetary Rebel cells in the morning!
By the end of the Yuuzhan Vong War, only one DEFINITELY remained, the Guardian. There was talk of a 'Super Star Destroyer' in the Imperial Remnant's hands, POSSIBLY the Megador, but it was only seen once and linking the two is guesswork at best.
The Megador was seen repeatedly, it played a big role in the following books.
@@CoreysDatapad Beyond the Swarm War I didn't read much
Finally some star wars lore i can actually get behind.
As impractical as ships like these are, you can't deny they're cool (and Rule of Cool is what half the tech in SW operates on).
I've come up with my own class of Super Star Destroyer for my Empire of the Hand AU:
Renaissance-class Super Star Destroyer (about 12 km long)
Built: Kuat Drive Yard’s Spiral Shipyards, Nirauan system. Officially finished construction in 21 ABY, but Admiral Parck would occasionally make use of its incomplete state before then.
The Renaissance class is a shorter, wider, heavier-set, ship than the more familiar Executor-class SSDs from the old Galactic Empire, taking several design features from the prototype Eclipse class, including integrated interdiction technology, a complement of over 400 TIE Defender fighters, and a superlaser capable of cracking a planetary crust (or a Yuuzhan Vong world ship). Like other Empire of the Hand designs, the Renaissance-class’ bridge is not located in an exposed tower, but rather deep inside the ship, with cameras and a powerful sensor suite compensating for the lack of viewports. Borrowing from Mon Calamari designs, the Renaissance-class also utilizes overlapping shield technology. As well as standard Imperial weaponry like turbolasers, tractor beams and ion cannons, the Renaissance -class also utilizes Chiss Ascendency weaponry such as Plasma ball launchers and breacher missiles.
The main difference from the earlier class (and, the "selling point" that convinced then-Grand Moff Xelarra to sign off on its creation) is the ability of the Renaissance-class to carry up to five Imperial or Spiral- class Star Destroyers on the hull itself, with the smaller (but still capital sized) ships docking on five triangular recesses on the main hull, 3 on top of the superstructure, two below. The Renaissance-class can thus act as a mobile repair station as well as the command ship. Its main hanger bay can internally carry ships up to 300 m in length (i.e. the size of an Arquitens-class light cruiser or an Explorer-class research/scout vessel).
The Renaissance also has integrated Interdictor technology, and is equipped with several cloaking devices (necessary because of the ship’s size). These two systems cannot normally be used at the same time, though Grand Admiral Thrawn remembers a few tricks learned earlier in his career to get around this limitation. As cloaking devices are double-blind - they protect a ship from detection, but said ship also cannot see outside of it when activated through conventional means, the cloak is most effectively used with the cooperation of an Imperial Knight, who can use the Force to sense outside the cloak. However, with proper timing and practice the cloaks can be used without the assistance of Force-users.
As the Empire of the Hand did not sign the Pellaeon-Gavrisom Treaty, they are not prohibited from using cloaking devices.
Known vessels in the class:
SSD Renaissance
CO: Fleet Admiral Voss Parck (19-28 ABY), Grand Admiral Thrawn (28 ABY +)XO: Commodore Eli Vanto (28 ABY+)
Starfighter commander: Colonel Jagged Fel (28 ABY +)
Flagship of the Navy of the Hand. Displays the same Paccosh signil as the ISD Chimaera on its hull.
Commissioned by Fleet Admiral Parck, in anticipation of Grand Admiral Thrawn’s rumoured return in 19 ABY. Thrawn (actually his clone, known as ‘Raw’nuru’ until he was ready to retake the mantle of Grand Admiral) did not take command until the beginning of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion, after the Evacuation of Lysatra.
Their overall failure is partially the same as to why the Imperial class failed. Imperial starfighter doctrine was terrible considering only about 10% of pilots actually passed the training. The TIE/ln fighter is ok but its shortcomings fail it overall.
@@papapalps2415 Imperial-classes (both 1 and 2) failed to win the war for the Empire. This was mostly due to naval doctrine. The lack of proper fighter support left the large vessels vulnerable.
My opinion is based off of what we are shown over the games, books, comics, shows, and movies. However large, numerous, or deadly these ships were they lost. Because they, like most of the Imperial military, are shown to be VERY incompetent. Around a dozen are destroyed in the rebels series alone costing over 37K ship personnel plus complement which accounts for around 47K.
TLDR: Yes they, ISD1 and ISD2, were wildly produced and were very powerful, but they are more often then not shown to be not very successful in what they were designed to do, and a big part of that failure is their starfighter complement.
@@NeSeeger but those two classes did served long after the Galactic Empire's fall.
@@NeSeeger THeir over all failure is mainly because "rebels are good guys and need something great to overcome. It needs to look and be impressive, but it can't be so powerful that the rebels have no chance." Stuff like Iron ist VS SOlo Command. Even before Iron Fist was 19km long, it shoulda been much nastier for the rebels.
Then again, X-Wing novels are basically the equivalent of a WW2 based 60s Saturday Morning Cartoon and tehy really shill the rebel fighters. IN ANH, and even RotJ, the TIEs are basically on par with the rebel fighters... Meanwhile everywhere else: "KD RATIO 1:500!!!" and such.
The issue aren't the designs. The issues are the writers who used, and still use, a very shallow approach of "Emprie gets this big thing, so that the Rebels can destroy it."
@@undertakernumberone1 Yeah that's pretty bang on really. The empire would of quickly added some seriously capable anti-starfighter systems to combat that on almost every ship. There are other ways the rebels could of won (Cultural, propaganda, cyber warfare (Maybe)). Also its hilarious how starfighter weapons can seriously damage a capital ship, bit like a p47 thunderbolt strafing the yamato pre-damage, with 50 cals and sinking it 2 minutes afterwards with only said weapons, just mental really.
Not only that, when you see something big on screen in star wars that's on the enemy side, you know its useless and will be blown up before the episode ends. At least show it dominating in some aspects or episodes if you are going to end it so early.
Essentially the worf effect or boy who cries wolf, but much worse.
RTD, you know exactly how to press the buttons of old fans. And I love you for it! Thank you for these beautiful moments. ❤
Scrolling past my recommended, I read the title in the thumbnail as, "The Empire's Doughnuts."
Those would be the torpedo spheres
Which game(s) have you taken the footage around 4:59? Is it Empire At War: Forces of Corruption, or another one?
I beleive its just thrawns revenge assets posed and positioned in blender. He describes it better in his "animated battle breakdowns"
I like the Mandator 2 and the Bellator-class much more than the Executor-class. In all the games it looks like a smaller ship with the same firepower, so that it is easier to bring all your firepower on one point.
Honestly I much prefer those two designs as well (both in general and in game). Often I find that it works far better to have a fleet with one reasonably large ship that has a smaller enough cost that you can deploy it alongside a larger number of capital ships, rather than a single big ship that practically has to be deployed on its own.
imo bellator is my favourite ssd class. It's design is so cool and it looks like it could easily take any other ship ever build (without any superweapons).
As someone who's a big fan of the novels, great job with this video!
Didn’t the guardian end up over mon Cal during the Vong war? I might be mixing up my large triangles
Not trying to um actually here just wondering if I am remembering that right. Great video as always Corey, especially the Night Hammer line almost spit out my coffee.
Guardian was at Mon Cal for the final battle there yes, IIRC could not repair and refit and get across the dovin basal mines in time to make it to thr recapture of Coruscant.
My favorite is the Arcadia class in the mod it just looks so awesome
Aramadia?
@@evanhenderson1760 which ever is the one used by the yavetha leader
@@Littlemilkjug533 yeah the aramadia
The Arcadia is definitely an awesome ship, but it's from the wrong franchise 😂
I remember one massive Imperial ship from the game Jedi Knight 2, I can't probably remember the name more but I think it was calld "Doomviga" or something like that.
Doomgiver, yeah. Its size is unclear but even the larger possible estimates wouldn't tend to get it into the SSD size class.
Great stuff! I'm looking forward to the wacky super weapons video!
very happy you made this, i would like to see a list video for lesser imperial warlords if possible as i hadn't heard of some of the ones in this video
Sure enough…most fans doesn’t know SSD Vengeance… the task force vengeance led into Airam Sector and the SSD was destroyed by Rogue Squadron but the campaign was a draw where the Rebellion could not establish a shipyard in the sector while Imperial could not eliminate the Rebel forces and loss their SSD
Was there not the Executor class SSD Vengeance from the game X-Wing vs Tie Fighter 2: Balance of Power?
Exactly what I was thinking
honestly, the main issue regarding the "usefulness" of Dreadnoughts, or basically ANYTHING Imperial is simply that they are the designated villain. As such, their stuff exists for our heroes to be destroyed, or captured, or captured and destroyed. TIEs in the OT are shown to be not that much worse than X-Wings, yet supplimentary material makes htem wet paper. THe bigger the weapon, the better for the heroes that destroy it. If the Empire then has something that isn't either cheap throaway stuff or super expensive super weaponry, and/or would hard counter Rebels, like the Lancer, it's something that gets excused away.
Or the effectiveness of Stomtroopers. Tantive IV gets overrun in short order. Echo base falls...
Rebels are the good guys, Empire is the villains. If we'd move it to earth and the Empire was using Fletcher class destroyers, they would still find a way to make them be "a waste of ressources" or some such.
Adding to that thanks to the size history, there was stuff like "Iron Fist VS Solo Command", which even in the 8km days shoulda been weighted in Iron Fist's favour.
The issue isn't the ships, a lot of the time, but "Rebels are the good guys and gotta win. Their stuff needs to be either "better", or at least more efficient."
I prefer the Eclipse to the Eclipse II. I just think it's got a more interesting design amd looks kind of gnarly and mysterious.
Where did that clip of the ssd rising over it looked like sullust come from?
Star Wars Battlefront (2015)
FYI - Many of these are modded into "Starsector" and are quite playable. Slow as fck, outrageously expensive, inefficient and tough as nails. It will give you a wonderful opportunity to experience these massive ships in the environment they were meant to be in; slow and gigantic fleet battles where it lumbers into into the enemy, daring anyone to enter its weapons range.
What is this game you speak of?
@@MusicalBoarder Just put "starsector star wars mod" into UA-cam. "Starsector" is the pc game and there is a giant up-to-date Star Wars mod bringing a vast menagerie of SW ships and planets into it. They went way too hard in adding every obscure fighter craft SW has to offer.
The honour of having the thickest plot armour in every franchise, by far, goes to the rebels, hand down. I mean one regular SSD should be enough to wreak havoc on any rebel fleet and their rickety, outdated ships. And yet the rebels have managed to destroy, death stars, SSD and the likes.
Honestly more than anything these videos keep me coming back to EaW Thrawn's Revenge and that's perfectly okay with me
The other option for the Mystery Super Ship in Destiny's Way is a Vengeance, and one of the two ships (Most fans seem to agree with you guys rhe Dominion is "only" a Bellator, but often make the Megador thr same mystery ship from Destiny's Way, and a Vengeance or Executor with a different engine count from custom work)
Either way, hope the authors solve this mystery themselves.
1:28 where is this shot from?
All we really learn here is that if you make a really big ship, it'll attract a lot of attention. Most of the largest warships in history were sunk after having little to no effect in battles in their respective theater or war (Bismark, Tirpitz, Yamato, Arizona, Oklahoma to name a few). It also reminds me of one of Murphy's combat laws, don't be conspicuous because it draws enemy fire.
I do love Dark Empire blobs ^^
Stupid question, but where does all this backstory come from? I know there are a lot of STEU novels
I always wonder if the Eclipse 2 was put together from a sovereign at the last minute.
Is it ever explained how they simply “hid” the lusankya under Coruscant’s surface?
Been a while, but I think they disguised it as a skyscraper.
@andrewbutton2039 It ran under the city, the city was rebuilt atop it, and all witnesses mindwiped by Palpatine possibly with Inquisitorial assistance. Until a later source said it was built at Kuat, one theory was that it literally got built in-place by the droids that demolish and rebuild coruscant.
That comes from X-Wing: The Krytos Trap.
As far as hiding it, the Empire literally razed a 100km area of the city, landed the ship on a massive repulsorlift platform, then rebuilt the city over it.
It wasn't hiding so much as buried.
It shot it's way out and killed millions, then punched a hole through a 2 layer planetary shield to get out.
There's a section where Wedge was wondering if the Emperor was able to use the dark side to wipe everyone's memory of that to keep it secret, since the alternative is they simply killed all the witnesses.
@Ethan0433 Krytos Trap itself wasn't clear how it got there, just a selection of theories. And *technically* they lowered the shields before Isard had finished shooting her way out of the bottom one. The alternative waa her turning the guns on the city to force them to drop it.
@@DIEGhostfish So yes, those are theories, but given I haven't found other info on it, I figured the book where it leaves was probably a decent source.
And yes, it absolutely shot it's way out of the shields. Once it breached the lower shield, forward guns focused the upper ones while the mid-ship and rear ones kept the lower hole open.
The ship then engages one of the Golan defense platforms, which manages to break the SSD's shields, and they jettison the lift cradle to block fire while they escape.
I might have missed you talking about them, but I don't think you mentioned the Executor Class Vengence from X-Wing vs TIE Fighter: Balance of Power.
It's mentioned in passing (or at least its image is)
Excellent video on REAL StarWars Lore!
Seeing how many get destroyed, as Vader would say, "All too easy"
Ok, wait, wait, wait. Will NOT be talking about any ships UNDER 7km, just think about that. That is 4.35 MILES long, currently the largest ship EVER built was the Seawise Giant, an oil supertanker that was a staggering 1504 ft/458.45m with a total tonnage of 260,941. The largest moving object built on earth and yet it is comparable to only a 418 Arrestor/Imperial Class II Frigate/Vakbeor-class cargo frigate, just, FYI.
The superweapon focus would be cool. Seeing the Tarkin and Darksaber
"How rich and core they were." Describes the source of half of the political discord in the star wars universe.
Was the Aramadia class mentioned?
The Vengeance Class Super Star Destroyers should 100% be added into Star Wars Canon.
Love the watercolors 😊
Such a cool design.
The Bellator and Allegiance Class battlecruiser are my two favorites, any bigger than that and they just become pointless.
Are these in game what’s the mod pack fr especially the mandator 3 ssd
2:43 ultimately it was destroyed by the weight of Wedge Antilles TITANIC STRATEGIC GENIUS
It's interesting that so many of these were sabotaged since the fall of the empire. Which makes sense. They were huge and required massive numbers of crew and security. None of which the splintered factions had since the empire fell
Did you miss the SSD from X-Wing vs TIE Fighter: Balance of Power expansion, that was rammed with a blockade runner?
This is the first video I watched in 2024
Great video thank you
I don't know why, but I've always headcanoned the Dominion as a Vengeance class SSD. There's no basis for it... it just clicked in my head like that.
I had a character in the d20 Star Wars roleplaying game who was tricked by Vader and the Emperor into believing the rebellion had killed the woman he loved and so he became a Sith and 8 years after Endor he launched an attack against the New Republic with three identical Executor class destroyers, each captained by one of three female triplet sisters. His goal was to convince the New Republic he had developed a new super hyper drive so that they had to spread forces out to defend several systems and when the attack came, he would overwhelm the defenses with his fleet. He also design asnd built a huge ship, almost 50 KM long, that contained a black hole generator as a primary weapon.
0:41 the best TCG out there
11:19 where is that from
Star Wars battlefront EA
The merits of mahanism in a monopolar world are perhaps somewhat questionable, but its not like the Uas suddenly decommisionaed its CABGs at the end of the cold war.
Star dreadnoughts are the capital ships of SW and are the ultimate tools of sea (well, space) control. Their importance and power is sufficient as evidenced by the waelords era, to single handedly turn the outcomes of entire campigns. You may be able to build tgojsands of snubfighters for the cost of a single executor, but they will not win you a campaign to conquer a major core world. A star dreadnought might.
I don't know that I agree with that assessment. On Earth, carriers are the primary tool of force projection not because they in themselves are effective frontline warships, but because the greatest tool of modern war is either: a blistering array of intercontinental missiles, or fighter jets. Carriers can carry both, and planes don't have the ability to reasonably fly across the entire world without *some* kind of base, or they'd be too weighed down by fuel.
But in Star Wars, you could reasonably build a dozen thousand fighters with hyperdrives, pop in unannounced and drop a hundred thousand proton torpedoes on an SSD (or god forbid, a *planetary target,* imagine what that would do to your well established defensive line) and then just... leave again.
Even more, an Executor (assuming you are not a madman and are, in fact, a sensible admiral) can't feasibly indiscriminately bombard a planet, without risk of massive damage to the reason you're there in the first place, namely resources, both living and material. Fighters strike with precision ordnance, leaving less dead and more intact infrastructure.
@@TheHazelnoot In the real world carriers effectively outranged gun warships while maintaining theiir lethality, and thus replaced them. In SW fightercraft can not quickly and effectively destroy cpaital warships, only gradually degrade tham at close range, with great risk to themselves from escorting fighters and point defence fire.
Two more points. star dreadnoughts themselves carry extensive complements of snubfighters for this aforementioned self escort, but could also be launched on strike missions.
And also, carriersa sre not the premier surface combatants IRL either. Guided missile cruisers, guided missile submarines, and hunter killer submarines are. Carriers serve as fleet centerpieces due to their size and cost, but for that cost they are not an effective way of deploying anti shipping firepower.
These things are so huge they should literally have millions of turbo lasers? Don’t know how they couldn’t kill any other ship.
Is the imperium class ultra star destroyer considered a super weapon( it is 260km long so I guess)
I think that you missed the Executor-class Vengeance from the X-wing vs TIE fighter campaign.
You're right. Its pictured at 9:37 but that section is about the Whelm
wish we had more info on the ARC hammer considering you actually go inside it in Dark forces.
I love how time and time again officers used these ships as their flagships.
Meanwhile the mortality rate of officers using these ships as their flagships-
Description is off?
Also I believe Rakehell counts
moral of the story: don't let your self destruct button be so exposed
What about Darth Jar Jar's 69km long superheavy interceptor dreadnought?
If we're counting games, then the Executor class Vengeance from the X-Wing vs TIE Fighter expansion campaign, Balance of Power, adds another.
Maybe I’m mistaken but I Rember playing thrawns revenge and the penestar alignment having a one of a kind super star destroyer type. I don’t Remember what it was called but it had a giant square and blue rayshileided hanger right on top of the ship. And it wasn’t a venator 2 rather it was a full super star destroyer. I never learned the name of it but it was definitely unique among Star Wars ships. It looked more… modern? I guess? While still looking Star warsy.
for a ship with that much raw firepower it sure has some insanely flimsy internal security/defense
I was hoping my man Jerec would get mentioned here.
And don't forget once a dreadnaught class warship is built in empire at war regardless of mod you know the player will be using the ship until it's destroyed or a retreat is initiated or victory is secured
Got to Love how know one knows what the fuck Megador is. Like, they don’t tell us in ANY of the series they show her in. Like you would have thought Legacy of the force would have given us Something but NO
Super Star Destroyers ARE worth it Corey! And I'll show you why, when I defeat Rey Palpatine and her friends for the glory of the Sontaran Empire!!! Also, they just keep having them get sabotaged cause they are too lazy to write them off in an epic battle
Them Imperial Navy SSDs would be great in fighting those Yuuzhan Vong..
X wing Vs Tie fighter Executor was cannon, not mentioned. Many times are incorrect, given before Battle of Endor, when far far after. Mandator 1, 2, 3 all have official information.
The Vengeance and Eclipse 2 are my favorites.
7:59 cracked me up lol
What about hte Arc Hammer? I know it's technically a factory shipand only one made, but at >9,600m that's at least 6 ISDs in length it should definitely be classified as a dreadnaught/supership as well.
It's in the video
But how many km of Halo race track could you fit on it?
I would say that Intimitador was either destroyed by Chiss, some other unkown but powerful race or Yuzong Wong.
I really don't think having ships this big really helps any space faring empire. It can only be in one place at a time, if it goes down you lose a lot, and the resources to keep them running is extreme.
I would think it would be a lot better to have a ton of smaller ships available for use, especially if you can have some staging planets with the resources for the crews until they need to get deployed. Then you can also put them into skeleton mode at a dock, and if one goes down, no worries.
Plus, if anything in Star Wars, you see that smaller ships beat the bigger ones. Though with a ton of medium sized cruisers you can setup them up as with capital ship killers, gunboats, or faster attack ships for running down pirates.
@@papapalps2415 you humble me sir ... I am sorry I voiced an opinion.
@@papapalps2415 Goddamn bro ... did your one of your moms forget to buy you the dino nuggies that you wanted?
They controlled an entire galaxy. The cost of even losing a thousand of them would be minimal. The first Death Star was by volume hundreds of thousands of times larger than any Executor-class, and was built on a secret budget. I would say that the Empire had more than enough resources to have all types of warships.
What I find interesting is that Han Solo did say that the Empire had a lot of them. Like they where not rare at all. "Oh don't get jittery Luke, there are a lot of command ships", or something like that. That to me suggests that Star Wars fans has completely underestimated the size of the Imperial Starfleet to a pretty large extent. We know it's large enough to have more firepower than the Death Star, based on A New Hope, which would suggest that the Imperial Starfleet must be absolutely astronomical in size.
"Plus, if anything in Star Wars, you see that smaller ships beat the bigger ones"
In the movies, smaller ships always struggles against larger ships. Capital ships are pretty much impervious to Starfighters. It's always luck that allows fighters and and other small ships to take out larger ones. And usually during the presence of friendly capital ships.