Well to be fair, the bill for demilitarization was paid for by their destruction by the first order's super weapon... The darn thing was magical girl levels of physics defying bullshit. Crossing the entire galaxy in seconds to destroy certain planets with the beam itself far exceeding the energy and mass of the star it fed from??? Da hell Disney.
@@valk_7233 Consider what it took to bring them each down. One questionably-sourced superweapon in the hands of a comparatively small terrorist cell in the unknown regions, versus the combined might of a colossal extragalactic invasion force which even the Empire would likely struggle with.
@Valk_72 Indeed. The EU had fallen into a sort of "villain of the week" state of complacency where the New Republic or its heroes ran into a problem and immediately solved it without too much fuss. The Yuuzhan Vong flipped the table, redrew the map, and gave the story stakes it desperately needed if it was going to continue. And the Yuuzhan Vong themselves were fantastic villains, with their own technology, culture and customs, strengths, and exploitable weaknesses. I think they could've handled Anakin Solo's arc better, but they played the hand they were dealt. It would've been interesting to see the version of NJO where he wound up being the main protagonist. Dark Tide really felt like it was building that up.
If a Venator could hold 400 fighter crafts in a ship of its size while still being a effective combatant, a Imperial Star Destroyer could've used that extra mass to hold WAY more Tie Fighters to protect itself if properly designed with more Hanger space. The Empire killed itself with ineffective ships not up to the job.
@@walkergargagliano142 if used properly yes. Ideally in my opinion 2x ISD I 1x ISD ii 1x venator and a handful of lancers tartans or raider I corvettes
Aw all wedge shaped ships are classified as star destroyers, the only real exception is the acclimator cruiser line, even victory's are considered star destroyers, and Gladiators are just a bit bigger then Acclimators, but are still considered Star Destroyers. @@Darth-vade123
One of the abilities of the ISD you missed: An imperial star destroyer carries a prefabricated garrison facility and a large number of troops and armor. It is a carrier/battleship/troop and vehicle transport.
Yeah, the hangar bays, storage spaces, magazines, and so on to carry the transports that can lift and deliver an AT-AT battalion, the sometimes dubious combined arms of the Empire, and all its logistical trail can't be easy. Honestly, I think the Star Destroyer as a concept is flawed, based mainly around a "Do Everything" that relied as much on intimidation and being Very Big as it did on guns... and once it lost the intimidation factor, it found itself under attack from an equal weight and value of vessels that could out-maneuver, out-fight, and out-gun it. The primary purpose of a Star Destroyer was to be a big "enemy ship" with such broad and ill-defined capabilities that no one could bitch at George Lucas for copy-pasting them all over the place and having one act as a battleship, carrier, or troop transport, as the need of the plot dictates. In practical terms, however, it doesn't make sense to have your carriers on the front line of battle, your troop transports not loitering in orbit to interdict planets and support and supply troops, and instead haring off to play battleship, or your battleships burdened with flight decks, ordinance magazines, fuel bunkers, and vehicle bays that have to be armored and hauled along with them. Every generation or so, you get some bright spark who thinks they can build a "Do Everything" weapon. The history books abound with these overpriced, overcomplicated, ultimate drains on warfighting capability... and it is the rare example that is even passingly good at some of the things it was designed to do.
@@Tomyironmane Literally read any thrawn book and you realize stating that ships of equal size and weaponry can out mauver out gun and out fight it is actually sorely wrong.
ALL OF EM have that ability... Just because we did never saw a TCW base deployed doesnt mean a venator did not carrie those around as well, and as we know that the ISD1 had it, its obvious that ANYTHING AFTER (the entire line basicaly) had them as well. That out the way : I WANT TO PLAY FORCE COMMANDER NOW!
Hey I think there’s a mix up at 12:43 ish. The Allegiance should be 2,220 meters not 22,200 meters which is longer than the Executor Class Super Star Destroyer
To be fair, the X wing was SUPPOSED to be an imperial fighter, until Incom defected to the Rebels. Without those X Wings, it's a LOT harder to bring down ISDs. Y wings don't do terribly well against TIEs, A wings don't have torpedoes, B wings weren't developed until MUCH later, and ISDs will usually win a fight against most larger ships. Let's not forget the ISD was primarily designed to blast the hell out of ground targets with orbital bombardment.
Thrawn's strategy to defeat the Rebellion permanently was to introduce a radical new starfighter, superior to anything the rebels had or could even dream of. He recognised very early on that superior rebel pilots and fighters could be a significant advantage as the rebels grew increasingly organised. Tarkin, of course, wanted the Death Star. It was symbolic: Tarkin thought big. Thrawn thought small. Both projects were brought to an end within weeks of each other, both by Jedi.
I’ve always had a problem with the Secutor only holding 100 fighters. It’s meant to be a fleet carrier but it holds significantly less fighters than the venator? At least the ISD has the excuse of being a battleship, not a carrier.
@@LordOceanus exactly! Especially since they should be designed to use TIEs, which are designed to be significantly more compact than most of the Republic fighters
To be fair, the Venator's stated fighter complement doesn't actually make sense given the known dimensions of the ship's interior. Its best realistic capacity is probably somewhere around half that, and I would bet that loading up that many fighters would put a real crimp on the Venator's consumables (fuel, munitions, spare parts, etc.) and overall cruise endurance. That's still more than the Secutor's 144 fighters and bombers, but it's also worth bearing in mind with a bunch of Imperial ships like the Secutor that some of these numbers might not be the maximum capacity of the vessel, but rather how many the Imperial Navy typically chose to field them with. Given the Secutor's size and stated role as a fleet carrier, I would guess that its true capacity would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 48 - 60 squadrons, or 8 - 10 full Imperial Wings (576 - 720 craft). But knowing how small craft were de-emphasized by the prevailing naval doctrine under the Empire, Imperial planners may have decided that 144 was enough for a working loadout, and chose to use the credits they saved with that decision to build more warships. Another possibility is that the Empire might actually have been chronically short on TIE pilots. You can't conscript a starfighter pilot. Each one was a professional who volunteered and went through 3 - 4 years of training as an Officer of the Imperial Navy. Then, at the culmination of that huge investment of time and resources, they are assigned to a blazingly fast, but otherwise rickety and unforgiving death-trap of a starfighter. Every TIE Fighter blown up? Literal years of time and hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of credits of investment into that pilot just got vaped by a teenage farmboy savant from some backwater shithole that learned to fly by sniping oversized rodents from an ultra-light aircraft his uncle got him. The Empire's doctrine of treating its highly-trained and educated pilots like they were completely and totally replaceable is one of the few things they did that was purely and unambiguously stupid. You can make arguments in favor of most of their other policies if you're willing to play devil's advocate, but there's just no defending that one.
It's because of game balancing mechanics. The guy who designed the original model, Fractalsponge, said he made the two hangers large enough to hold four or five times the fighters of an ISD each, or eight to ten wings in total (576 to 720 starfighters). My headcanon explanation is that the Secutor was built as a successor to the Venator, but with more displacement devoted to armament and armor making it a true hybrid battle-carrier; but with the decommissioning of the CIS fleets such ridiculous numbers were seen as somewhat overkill for glorified police duties and they scaled back the numbers carried for "peacetime" operations. It's something you see irl: many aircraft carriers don't typically carry their full complement until wartime, to cut back on operating costs.
@@rmartinson19 you read my mind exactly. I've always felt the 400+ figure was a little high for a Venator. Like, they could technically fit that many in, but only by stacking them like tetris peices. Also, 144 fighters is the stated complement for an Executor dreadnought, which is absolutely pitiful for a ship that big, so I think it lends credibility to your "we only require this many fighters for operations" theory.
I feel like the venator was underrated in this. I also feel like the Imperial 1 and 2 maybe should have took a hit if the bakura would take such a huge one-after all, they didn't have enough ISD's to secure anything but coreworlds really. The rarity of a ship really shouldn't count against the rest of its merits though, I think.
I think it'd go into around C tier. The aggressor was good but it was a bit specific, evidence being they needed Keldabe ships as a "conventional capital ship". Even though that specific niche the Aggressor had was good. (capital ship fights)
I think there is something to be said about switching the Gladiator and Tector. Simply put, the Tector is larger and therefore holds more weapons and has more health than the Gladiator. I don't think the relatively small compliment of fighters the Gladiator has makes much of a different. Great video!
You would be surprised. In EAW remake I destroyed the Viscount and a Subjugator literally with a fleet of Enforcer Frigates and Gladiators. My only capital ship was a free ISD-1 from a Level 4/5 Space Station I won mostly by just sending huge waves of bombers at the Dreadnoughts while the actual ships just provided basic fire support
Fighters are basically essential when it comes to a battle, so the absolute lack of fighters from a tector is really damaging even if it has more weapons than an ISD 1. I see where you are coming from, but if it has no protection from bombers its practically just dead in the water.
@@quindarius_bingleton yeah I think they undersell the importance of fighters. The ISD I already has more guns than the majority of large ships. The Tector can’t do anything that a normal star destroyer wouldn’t be able to do.
Just a couple of notes: 1-The balls on top are possibly not actually shield generators. This is based solely on assumptions the first game developers made based on an ambiguous line from Return of the Jedi. It is likely, they are instead a targeting array, as they most closely resemble sensor systems on real world ships. Remember that the design language is based on real world ships. The line used from RotJ is possibly said because the port targeting system was destroyed when it was supposed to be covered by the bridge deflectors. 2-The big ball on the bottom, once again, is just assumed to be part of the reactor. Alternatively, it could be part of the gravity manipulation system, letting large ships with it loiter close to a planet's surface. Something we have seen ISDs do in canon.
The balls are definitely shield generators. They have been described as so many times in books/games etc. Same for the bottom reactor. Of course who knows what the original artists intended but the stuff he said isnt wrong. The reactor/shield layout has been described as that for a while
@@arandomperson7713 No, the little "crowns" are the shield projectors (the bits that channel the energy from the shield generator and actually project it around the ship). The ball is where the energy-shield is actually generated. So that's a bit like pointing at the very end of a rifle's barrel and saying "No, THIS is the gun because it's where the bullet comes out, the rest is just something else."
@Zephyr they're shaped exactly like real life radar domes and mounted on the bridge the way many radar domes are on many naval ships. It's pretty obvious what the artists intended
Zephyr who knows? We know. The model makers of the isd call them radar domes. (see quotes from Richard Edlund) We have the notes for the designers. The orginal books also label them sensor towers. The newest books also label them sensor towers. Its only inbetween books that get confused.
One of the things that never gets mentioned about the Sorranan/EX-F is that as far as I'm aware it has the fastest firing Heavy Turbolasers is Thrawns Revenge with a 1.1 second reload (Compared to the average rate of 4 seconds). And with it's good shields for it's deployment costs the Sorranan is a beast when it leads formations of ships with weaker shields.
Should also mention in TR, the EX-F has some of the longest range ion cannons. Meaning It can be dropped in with some corvettes, whittle down their shields, then drop a fleet of turbolaser focused frigates and star destroyers to finish the job
If u are talking about ship performance in Thrawn Revenge, the ISDI should be in A tier as it's one of the best Ion ship in the game. At 31 pop it ditches out 270 ion dps.
I can't stand this Gladiator slander. One of my favourite ship designs. EDIT: Also, the New Republic ships seem kinda broken. Somehow the Nebula has the same firepower, same fighter complement, better anti-fighter, better shielding and armour, and also easy to produce, while being significantly smaller than the typical Star Destroyer. IDK, just seems silly.
Yeah like how are they powering all those systems in such a significantly smaller frame? The writers seem unable to write the New Republic in a realistic sense in any capacity ever lol. It's so tiresome.
S-tier, which isn’t imperial, doesn’t even have shields and weapons capable of withstanding an ISD. If the ISD popped in with a support fleet of even a few corvettes and a escort carrier, Endurance gets stomped. The whole premise of the tier list was what could stand up to a fleet the best.
There would have been an extremely simple bit of lore that could have been added to address the exposed Star Destroyer command tower. Just have the most accessible and best escape pods be on the bridge. The reason for having it sticking up like that instead of having the bridge deep inside the hull would be because it would take too long to evacuate the command staff if they were far inside the ship and you'd have more and more easily taken flight vectors. If the pods were on the bottom they would need to fly pretty far to go up, opposite issue if they were right on top and if they were on the sides, front or back the pods may be in danger of an explosion from the ship taking them out. This would be even more true for something like the Executor.
I could dig a part 2. The Nebula in TR is a bit different than The Nebula in AOTR. I like both in both mods but use them differently. The Nebula is probably my all out favorite, but I love The Allegiance b/c of its sheer brutality. The Secutor I always thought was underrated by The Empire and when I steal them from factions in TR I put them to good use.
This. Give me four Allegiances, an interdictor and a dozen Lancers, and I will conquer the galaxy one shattered fortress system at a time. I've used that combo to stomp everything short of an SSD. And when I run into one of them? A pair of Praetor-II's with Lancer support, and in 2 - 4 hit-and-fade attacks, I can grind an Executor down to nothing without losing a single ship.
the victory was never designed to replace the venator. it was designed along side/at the same time as the venator. the venator is a carrier and not a battleship. the victoru is a battleship.
I'd swap the Interdictor and Tector. While they're inflexibility means both require an escort to be effective, the Tector can at least hold its own in a 1v1 with capital ships and really only needs a screen against fighters; the Interdictor is a pure support ship and you have dedicate a lot more resources just to keep it safe, and that's before you factor in how badly the enemy is going to focus on knocking it out.
I would rank the venator at least a tier 2 if not higher because of its large fighter complement and It could carry an additional anti fighter corvette like the c70 in its ventral Hangar bay and approximately about 2 corellian gunship sized corvettes in the dorsal hangar. And on top of All this it could carry a pretty sizable army of 4000 soldiers so for me its almost the perfect star destroyer if it were not for its relatively weak shields and lacking ion cannons.
Ok, but do we all agree that the Venator is so iconic that it is what compares to more then half of the ships on this list? It is the oldest from the line, yet when you look at it, it feels as if it had the weight of the clone wars and the imperial proclamation on it, a truly terrific and terrifying ship. Not only that it is a decent match against up until A tier since it has so many fighter wings and well rounded protection, even though it is so much older then for exemple the new republic star destroyers.
Venerator holds like 200. Unlike the ISD and Executor venerators are designed carriers. Hollowed out ships full of hangars. ISDs and executors are battleships, replacing hanger space with shields, armor, and heavier weapons. Executor even had an invasion force and prefab fortress.
MetaNerdz made a great argument for why the number of fighters the Gladiator carries is ridiculous for its size and purpose and was likely one of those source book stats that just weren’t thought out. He made a great analysis as to how many it should actually be able to carey
Of all these SDs, during the imperial era, I think the Gladiator would be the most rewarding to captain. A perfect pirate and smuggler chaser and an epic raider vessel. Your huge mixed fighter/bomber complement would allow for great flexibility of tactics.
The attack of the clones cross section book was really awful as estimated guesses for weapon outputs. It claimed the anti-personal lasers on the LAAT/i were firing the equivalent to half a kiloton of energy with each shot. Which largely defeats the purpose of an anti-personnel weapon in the first place; they're supposed to clear out infantry with minimal collateral damage, not nuke a city block out of existence.
Venator placement makes me sad, I also feel like using the Remake Mods stats would've made for a better ship comparison, the ships in Thrawns Revenge are made of paper
well by TR standards the Venator is even more made of paper than other ships... which is pretty accurate. The Venator was always a design that focused on its ability to carry fighters at the cost of firepower and durability. This means that the Venator has amazing fighting ability when its fighter complement is considered, but struggles against even similarly sized ships when those fighters are removed from the equation.
@Evan henderson the Venator had rather powerful shields from was I remember, and the hull was not exactly thin, it could win against the much more heavily armed separatist ships. And the weapon systems I feel were always comically underpowered, the turbolasers should've been heavy turbolasers the ship had the reactors to power stronger weapon systems.
@@michaelscalese3142 The main source I could find that indicated that the Venator had significant durability were not comparing it to similarly sized ships, and referred to many others in the same way. Most places that did compare them put them quite a bit lower than their competitors, like RPG reference material (which often forms the backbone of lore for specific ship types). Most sources that visually depict them in combat still show frailty, TCW shows them losing to separatist ships more often than winning outside of exceptional strategies. The battle of Coruscant would not be the best example as all participants had been worn down by a long period of continuous fighting, and frequently involved several ships ganging up on other ships. Also this mod DOES give the Venator Heavy Turbolasers, they just only had a small handful compared to the dozens that their competitors had.
In fact, the only source I am aware of that said their durability was anything special was Complete Vehicles, which tended to describe anything larger than a frigate in that way.
While I know it's not in EAW, I wish the Resurgent Class Star Destroyer was added. ~30% longer than the ISD-II, and using Kyber Crystal-enhanced turbo lasers, the Resurgent can go toe to toe with any other ship. It's design also learned from the mistakes of its predecessor, being it's own dedicated carrier - much like the Venator Class of the Republic Navy. It is also a highly maneuverable ship, capable of outrunning it's TIE Fighters in real space if going at full speed. With the exception of much larger vessels, I'd argue its power and capabilities are unmatched, and would easily be put into the S Tier.
You missed the aggressor class star destroyer, it was an imperial design stolen by the Zann consortium. It was about as long as an isd and had 2 powerful forward facing cannons that could devastate slow moving ships
Having seen it in some clips I was waiting to hear your opinion about the AOTR original ISD III. I know its not canon but I think it deserves a honourable mention at least.
How you gonna do the Venator dirty like that right out of the gate? It has massive firepower, since it can channel 100% of its reactor output into its 8 heavy dual turbolaser batteries if it so chooses. Its reactor output is 50% of the ISD's output, so that means it is 50% as powerful in terms of turbolaser armament, not including its heavy proton torpedoes, the SPHA-T in its ventral hangar bay, and many AV-7 deck guns, which don't draw energy from the reactor. That's also not including the 420 starfighters a Venator can launch, including at least 36 heavy strike fighters, like Y-wings, ARC-170s, NTB-630 bombers, or Z-95 Headhunters. Plus, Venators can actually land on a planets surface, unlike an ISD, and they cost less than half of an ISD. I'd take a Venator over an ISD, Tector, Interdictor, Victory, and Gladiator. The Secutor is the only star destroyer I'd guaranteed take over a Venator (not considering legends star destroyers). The Venator should be in the A tier.
I would like to suggest doing videos like this one for-(Frigates, Corvettes, Destroyer, And any other ships classes or types like the Mon Cal starships) so that way it'd be more of a complete list of Ultimate EAW Tier List vehicle classes and types.
This is after 100 years of constant combat of crazy powerful enemies so keep that in mind. None of the ships on this list could take even one of these. I would put it on the resurgence class of power and it's one third of it's size. I'm surprised that didn't make the list considering it is official canon and is the largest and most advanced vessel of the star destroyer class of starship.
I kind of disagree with Victory 1 vs Victory 2 opinion. It is true that missiles do more damage then canons, and therefore Victory 1 does better damage when left unchecked by enemies. However besides missiles can be intercepted and jammed, enemy can focus destroying missile launchers as primary thread. Once it is done. Victory 1 is just waste of pop cap. Same cannot be done to Victory 2, as its armament is better rounded and thus cannot be disabled as ease as Victory 1. Besides its damage cannot be intercepted. Simply Victory 1 advantages over Victory 2 quite situational, while it isn't case reversed. And thus I find Victory 2 more flexible than Victory 1. I am not saying that Victory 1 is necessary bad ship. It just is better use in different role and is more dependant on other ships than Victory 2, which actually better at job of holding its own in ship to ship combat.
Personally I prefer legends to actual canon, because the Emperor was aware that the Von existed so it makes a lot of sense for why it had so many ships dedicated to anti-capital and heavy armour, as for main canon it would just be a waste of resources, I mean why else would someone rebuilt the Deathstar if one wouldn’t need to blow up plants/world ships. (This is my opinion you don’t have to agree with it)
Don’t know about the Allegiance being an A tier ship without having fighters. Any top Star Destroyer should have a number of fighters. I’d probably swap the Allegiance with the Secutor.
The allegiance just absolutely annihalates anything larger than a corvette with ease and any fighters that come close would be picked off with Point-Defense so id say its fair. While the Secutor is really vulnerable for its size by any oposing capital ship.
I disagree. The Allegiance is a far better ship than the Secutor. The Secutor severely lacks in firepower vs other capital ships. The Allegiance has enough point defense and armor to make fighters not that much of an issue
Allegiances focus on quad light turbolasers along with decent laser cannons makes it extremely accurate and deadly to smaller units, while being too tanky to be easily taken out by bomber swarms. It can destroy 2 isds at the same time too, especially since its main batteries of quad heavy turbolasers are in the back, makiing them one of the last targets for AI to destroy. It also packs those triple ion cannons to quickly take out enemy shields. Secutor has a lovely amount of turbolasers, but their bow placement makes them the first hardpoints to fall when shields are off
Well, I suppose within the context of Empire at War I could be wrong if an Allegiance is able to act like a Tartan Cruiser on steroids. However, in the context of the Star Wars universe in general where anti-fighter defenses other than other fighters tend to be less effective than in EaW, I still stand by my statement.
Initially, from what I knew of the Endurance, I thought it should've gotten D-tier. Now that I know its stats Im much more convinced. And anyways I realized that I was basing my judgement of i based off the original NRSD Endurance's performance at Orinda, where it was fighting an SSD alongside an SSD and then got ambushed and blown to smithereens by yet another Imperial SSD.
I think the Vic2 would be far better in EAW(and its various mods) if ships just had a general health pool instead of exclusively hardpoints. I like the hardpoints mechanic, but it means ships like the Vic2 and Tector sit in awkward places. If hardpoints instead had their own HP pools, but ships could simply be directly damaged if so desired, turbolaser-heavy ships would probably be a lot better, and small frigate spam would not be as overpowered. Small ship spam has innate advantages of multiple ships being able to hit multiple hardpoints at once, whereas large ships can usually only hit 1 or 2 at a time, leading to a lot of wasted shots.
Allegiance class is my all time favourite (althought i always pair them up with carriers )they are just PURE DMG 3-4 of them are better than a SSD and way more manoeuvrable
the venator should rank much higher as realistically it can use its large fighter complement to damage enemy ships before they ever get within range and then use its heavy weapons to finish off the ships when the fighters are done destroying shields and weapons. effectively its like a ww2 aircraft carrier vs a battleship, the carrier could destroy a battleship and the battleship would never even see it.
What are these measurements, "allegiance is 22,200 meters long which is 50% larger than the ISD 1, the executed is 19,000 meters long is about 1100% larger than the ISD 1", I'm confused
Considering how the Peltast was one of the EotH's specialist vessels specifically designed for the purposes of fulfilling the role of a capital killer with a relatively low cost I would rank it at an S-Tier considering that as part of Thrawn's philosophy of war in battlefield flexibility, a few of these together would be around the cost of one or two ISD IIs could be an absolutely lethal capital ship killer formation with their megamasers as a small escort of corvettes could easily fill the role of fighter and missile munition defense they lack.
Hey I'm not familiar with this game so can someone help explain what it means for the squad numbers i.e. ISD1 has: Fighters - 2.5/4.5 Bombers - 0.5/0.5
Bakura stole Republic Sienar Systems' homework. The Bakuran Star Destroyer's bridge is the exact same design as the Interdictor-class cruiser of the Old Republic.
I don't really see how the Procursator, Tector and Allegiance classes can be put in wildly different categories when they're essentially the same design concept at different size scales. I'd personally take the Procursator over the others. Whilst the bigger ships are harder to kill they're also inefficient. For the price of one Allegiance you could have a handful of Procursators. You don't have to be a genius to se that the smaller ship loses to the bigger ship one on one, but in terms of the bigger picture the Procursator is the most useful ship of the three.
Given your analysis, what I'm hearing is that Star Destroyers were designed to not fight alone. So judging them on their ability to fight alone is a non-sequitur.
After hearing your repot on the Gladiator class, I thought it should be ranked at least C tier, if not low B tier. It was tiny in comparison to the others, but well balanced and easy to produce. For its cost it’s probably one of the best, it just lacks survivable when facing bigger ships. Against comparably sized ships it sounds like it would easily be one of the best.
everyone dogs on the gladiator when that's probably one of the only platforms that could have prepared the empire for bringing law and justice to the galaxy .
Doesn't the "Tector class" only exist to plug the ESB continuity goof where the upper hull of an ISD was accidentally used as its' underside? Edit: btw, it's bow like thou, not bow like though.
This was a good attempt, but you really should have someone fact check your videos. The Allegiance was a battlecruiser, and only 2,200 meters long. That made it about 30% larger than the ISD I&II, and much smaller than the Executor, the longest known warship in Star Wars, at 19,000 meters. Secondly, the Nebula-class Star Destroyer was, as far as i can tell, slightly shorter than the Venator, at 1,040 meters long, whereas the Venator was just shy of 1,200 meters long, most often quoted as 1,137. Then you also forgot two majorly important classes of Star Destroyer, the Pellaeon and its immediate successor, the Imperious.
There are more of them! Republic star destroyer, Praetor battlecruiser, Procurator star battlecruiser, Galactic cruiser carrier Dodona, Strident star defender. P.S. I would like to see Galactic cruiser carrier Dodona and Strident star defender in Thrawns revenge mod!
Venators are at least A tier. With a full complement, it should have no problem beating a ship even bigger than itself. It's not overpowered, hence A tier, but there's a reason why other ships mattered less than carriers. Plus, it helped to not have garbage shielding systems or oversized bridges (It still didn't need to be that big, but it's an improvement over the ISDs and the victories).
Empire: "Our Star Destroyers are superior!" New Republic: "Hold my beer." *The New Republic proceeds to create Nebula Star Destroyers. Smaller, but capable of going toe to toe & sometimes outmatching Star Destroyers.*
The v Venator is a great letter support ship targeted as a carir Victory 1 is more artillery with armor, but it lacks fighter support and, above all, which makes all the ships of the empire era nothing against fighters My personal favorite was the Palleon class or on the other hand the Nova clas but personally I like the Cis (separatist) ships and as an individual the Provident class is the best The speed of the ship as a fighter, in my opinion, very well armed and as a point defense so that capital 🥰
The numbers on both the Secutor and Venator have always been ridiculous. The Venetor is supposedly a small Star Destroyer built as a half carrier half battleship, yet carries absolutely tons of starfighters. Meanwhile the Secutor is so dedicated as a carrier that is is downgraded from a battlecruiser to a Star Destroyer despite its size due to its lack of firepower, and carries merely double that an ISD carries. Very silly.
Anybody else know that there was not enough Rebel ships during the Battle of Endor to even scratch a super star destroyer Shields how were they brought down
In Episode 3 we can clearly see that only one Venator completely mows down Grievous' flagship, the Invisible Hand. One Venator is better than a Providence-class destroyer, so I kinda disagree with putting the Venator at C. Or is it just that the CIS ships were really bad?
No, almost all sources mentioned that Normal Providence is superior to Venator, especially in both shielding and firepower. Both side have enough starfighters to stalemate each others. The ep 3 incident is for effect.
The Venator had proven its self to be very effective even when alone during the clone wars. I think it should be at least mid to high be their. A Venator always had y wings on board. Star destroyers jet them.
Bring up the pause menu by clicking the icon around the bottom left of the UI. Click the save option. Warning: do not save mid battle, and instead of directly overwriting save files, create new seperate save slots then delete old ones.
I'm new to EAW and recently started playing Trawn's Revenge. However my display does not match what it looks like when you guys play. Example, my income and credits are in the top left of the screen (covered up by the galactic news and planet info). Is there a way to change this or another mod that you guys run along with TR?
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New Republic in Canon: "Yeah we're gonna demilitarize now"
New Republic in Legends: "Yeah we're gonna start building our own star destroyers now"
And that's why New Republic in Legends is the best by far.
Well to be fair, the bill for demilitarization was paid for by their destruction by the first order's super weapon... The darn thing was magical girl levels of physics defying bullshit. Crossing the entire galaxy in seconds to destroy certain planets with the beam itself far exceeding the energy and mass of the star it fed from??? Da hell Disney.
@@valk_7233 Consider what it took to bring them each down. One questionably-sourced superweapon in the hands of a comparatively small terrorist cell in the unknown regions, versus the combined might of a colossal extragalactic invasion force which even the Empire would likely struggle with.
@@jaffarebellion292 Lot of people had mixed opinion about NJO and especially the yuuzhan vong invasion, but i actually quite liked it.
@Valk_72 Indeed. The EU had fallen into a sort of "villain of the week" state of complacency where the New Republic or its heroes ran into a problem and immediately solved it without too much fuss. The Yuuzhan Vong flipped the table, redrew the map, and gave the story stakes it desperately needed if it was going to continue. And the Yuuzhan Vong themselves were fantastic villains, with their own technology, culture and customs, strengths, and exploitable weaknesses. I think they could've handled Anakin Solo's arc better, but they played the hand they were dealt. It would've been interesting to see the version of NJO where he wound up being the main protagonist. Dark Tide really felt like it was building that up.
If a Venator could hold 400 fighter crafts in a ship of its size while still being a effective combatant, a Imperial Star Destroyer could've used that extra mass to hold WAY more Tie Fighters to protect itself if properly designed with more Hanger space. The Empire killed itself with ineffective ships not up to the job.
Indeed, although realistically the Venator probably could not hold more than 220 or so fighters, given what is known of its interior.
The ISD is probably the best capital ship design of any faction throughout galactic history
@@walkergargagliano142 if used properly yes. Ideally in my opinion 2x ISD I 1x ISD ii 1x venator and a handful of lancers tartans or raider I corvettes
The Empire killed itself by having Tarkin in it. He is the biggest reason why it fell, and thus the most incompetent officer.
420 To be at that. Really.
*Puts Venator in C Tier*
Every Prequel fan ever: Bud, are you serious right now, man?
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Well to be fair it's more of an assault carrier not a star destroyer
Aw all wedge shaped ships are classified as star destroyers, the only real exception is the acclimator cruiser line, even victory's are considered star destroyers, and Gladiators are just a bit bigger then Acclimators, but are still considered Star Destroyers. @@Darth-vade123
One of the abilities of the ISD you missed:
An imperial star destroyer carries a prefabricated garrison facility and a large number of troops and armor. It is a carrier/battleship/troop and vehicle transport.
Yeah, the hangar bays, storage spaces, magazines, and so on to carry the transports that can lift and deliver an AT-AT battalion, the sometimes dubious combined arms of the Empire, and all its logistical trail can't be easy. Honestly, I think the Star Destroyer as a concept is flawed, based mainly around a "Do Everything" that relied as much on intimidation and being Very Big as it did on guns... and once it lost the intimidation factor, it found itself under attack from an equal weight and value of vessels that could out-maneuver, out-fight, and out-gun it.
The primary purpose of a Star Destroyer was to be a big "enemy ship" with such broad and ill-defined capabilities that no one could bitch at George Lucas for copy-pasting them all over the place and having one act as a battleship, carrier, or troop transport, as the need of the plot dictates. In practical terms, however, it doesn't make sense to have your carriers on the front line of battle, your troop transports not loitering in orbit to interdict planets and support and supply troops, and instead haring off to play battleship, or your battleships burdened with flight decks, ordinance magazines, fuel bunkers, and vehicle bays that have to be armored and hauled along with them.
Every generation or so, you get some bright spark who thinks they can build a "Do Everything" weapon. The history books abound with these overpriced, overcomplicated, ultimate drains on warfighting capability... and it is the rare example that is even passingly good at some of the things it was designed to do.
You are 100% correct of course but this appears to be based off of its in game function over real lore
Please do an updated vid on the darth angelus heir to the empire fan project, it’s come such a long way.
@@Tomyironmane Literally read any thrawn book and you realize stating that ships of equal size and weaponry can out mauver out gun and out fight it is actually sorely wrong.
ALL OF EM have that ability... Just because we did never saw a TCW base deployed doesnt mean a venator did not carrie those around as well, and as we know that the ISD1 had it, its obvious that ANYTHING AFTER (the entire line basicaly) had them as well.
That out the way : I WANT TO PLAY FORCE COMMANDER NOW!
Hey I think there’s a mix up at 12:43 ish. The Allegiance should be 2,220 meters not 22,200 meters which is longer than the Executor Class Super Star Destroyer
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Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only one who was confused there 😂
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To be fair, the X wing was SUPPOSED to be an imperial fighter, until Incom defected to the Rebels. Without those X Wings, it's a LOT harder to bring down ISDs. Y wings don't do terribly well against TIEs, A wings don't have torpedoes, B wings weren't developed until MUCH later, and ISDs will usually win a fight against most larger ships. Let's not forget the ISD was primarily designed to blast the hell out of ground targets with orbital bombardment.
Yeah Tarkin single-handedly killed the Empire his doctrine and his choice to not pick X wings
Thrawn's strategy to defeat the Rebellion permanently was to introduce a radical new starfighter, superior to anything the rebels had or could even dream of. He recognised very early on that superior rebel pilots and fighters could be a significant advantage as the rebels grew increasingly organised.
Tarkin, of course, wanted the Death Star. It was symbolic: Tarkin thought big. Thrawn thought small. Both projects were brought to an end within weeks of each other, both by Jedi.
I’ve always had a problem with the Secutor only holding 100 fighters. It’s meant to be a fleet carrier but it holds significantly less fighters than the venator? At least the ISD has the excuse of being a battleship, not a carrier.
If the Venator has a cannon fighter complement of 420 the Secutor should be over 1200 at a minimum. Likely pushing 2000
@@LordOceanus exactly! Especially since they should be designed to use TIEs, which are designed to be significantly more compact than most of the Republic fighters
To be fair, the Venator's stated fighter complement doesn't actually make sense given the known dimensions of the ship's interior. Its best realistic capacity is probably somewhere around half that, and I would bet that loading up that many fighters would put a real crimp on the Venator's consumables (fuel, munitions, spare parts, etc.) and overall cruise endurance. That's still more than the Secutor's 144 fighters and bombers, but it's also worth bearing in mind with a bunch of Imperial ships like the Secutor that some of these numbers might not be the maximum capacity of the vessel, but rather how many the Imperial Navy typically chose to field them with.
Given the Secutor's size and stated role as a fleet carrier, I would guess that its true capacity would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 48 - 60 squadrons, or 8 - 10 full Imperial Wings (576 - 720 craft). But knowing how small craft were de-emphasized by the prevailing naval doctrine under the Empire, Imperial planners may have decided that 144 was enough for a working loadout, and chose to use the credits they saved with that decision to build more warships.
Another possibility is that the Empire might actually have been chronically short on TIE pilots. You can't conscript a starfighter pilot. Each one was a professional who volunteered and went through 3 - 4 years of training as an Officer of the Imperial Navy. Then, at the culmination of that huge investment of time and resources, they are assigned to a blazingly fast, but otherwise rickety and unforgiving death-trap of a starfighter. Every TIE Fighter blown up? Literal years of time and hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of credits of investment into that pilot just got vaped by a teenage farmboy savant from some backwater shithole that learned to fly by sniping oversized rodents from an ultra-light aircraft his uncle got him.
The Empire's doctrine of treating its highly-trained and educated pilots like they were completely and totally replaceable is one of the few things they did that was purely and unambiguously stupid. You can make arguments in favor of most of their other policies if you're willing to play devil's advocate, but there's just no defending that one.
It's because of game balancing mechanics. The guy who designed the original model, Fractalsponge, said he made the two hangers large enough to hold four or five times the fighters of an ISD each, or eight to ten wings in total (576 to 720 starfighters).
My headcanon explanation is that the Secutor was built as a successor to the Venator, but with more displacement devoted to armament and armor making it a true hybrid battle-carrier; but with the decommissioning of the CIS fleets such ridiculous numbers were seen as somewhat overkill for glorified police duties and they scaled back the numbers carried for "peacetime" operations.
It's something you see irl: many aircraft carriers don't typically carry their full complement until wartime, to cut back on operating costs.
@@rmartinson19 you read my mind exactly. I've always felt the 400+ figure was a little high for a Venator. Like, they could technically fit that many in, but only by stacking them like tetris peices.
Also, 144 fighters is the stated complement for an Executor dreadnought, which is absolutely pitiful for a ship that big, so I think it lends credibility to your "we only require this many fighters for operations" theory.
I feel like the venator was underrated in this.
I also feel like the Imperial 1 and 2 maybe should have took a hit if the bakura would take such a huge one-after all, they didn't have enough ISD's to secure anything but coreworlds really. The rarity of a ship really shouldn't count against the rest of its merits though, I think.
Darn, no unconventional Zann Consortium Star Destroyers acquired from Death Star I blueprints intended for Tarkin's planned coup.
Tarkin planned a coup? Wtf
@@АлексейМомот-щ7о Yeah. Just look at the ANH novelization and radio drama and maybe even the Death Star novel.
I think it'd go into around C tier.
The aggressor was good but it was a bit specific, evidence being they needed Keldabe ships as a "conventional capital ship". Even though that specific niche the Aggressor had was good. (capital ship fights)
@@Krona-fb4dn when I was a kid, my friends and I referred to them as "big gun guys" lol
I thought the thumbnail said "LSD Tier List"; considering how insane some of the Star Destroyer designs are, it could easily work.
I think there is something to be said about switching the Gladiator and Tector. Simply put, the Tector is larger and therefore holds more weapons and has more health than the Gladiator. I don't think the relatively small compliment of fighters the Gladiator has makes much of a different. Great video!
You would be surprised.
In EAW remake I destroyed the Viscount and a Subjugator literally with a fleet of Enforcer Frigates and Gladiators.
My only capital ship was a free ISD-1 from a Level 4/5 Space Station
I won mostly by just sending huge waves of bombers at the Dreadnoughts while the actual ships just provided basic fire support
Fighters are basically essential when it comes to a battle, so the absolute lack of fighters from a tector is really damaging even if it has more weapons than an ISD 1. I see where you are coming from, but if it has no protection from bombers its practically just dead in the water.
I like spamming Gladiators for lots of rockets.
@@quindarius_bingleton yeah I think they undersell the importance of fighters. The ISD I already has more guns than the majority of large ships. The Tector can’t do anything that a normal star destroyer wouldn’t be able to do.
tector being bottom tier for being specialized against valuable rebel cruisers is ridiculous
Just a couple of notes:
1-The balls on top are possibly not actually shield generators. This is based solely on assumptions the first game developers made based on an ambiguous line from Return of the Jedi. It is likely, they are instead a targeting array, as they most closely resemble sensor systems on real world ships. Remember that the design language is based on real world ships. The line used from RotJ is possibly said because the port targeting system was destroyed when it was supposed to be covered by the bridge deflectors.
2-The big ball on the bottom, once again, is just assumed to be part of the reactor. Alternatively, it could be part of the gravity manipulation system, letting large ships with it loiter close to a planet's surface. Something we have seen ISDs do in canon.
The balls are definitely shield generators. They have been described as so many times in books/games etc. Same for the bottom reactor. Of course who knows what the original artists intended but the stuff he said isnt wrong. The reactor/shield layout has been described as that for a while
@@zephyr6877 the 2 bulbs are not shield generators, the little "crowns" on them are
@@arandomperson7713 No, the little "crowns" are the shield projectors (the bits that channel the energy from the shield generator and actually project it around the ship). The ball is where the energy-shield is actually generated. So that's a bit like pointing at the very end of a rifle's barrel and saying "No, THIS is the gun because it's where the bullet comes out, the rest is just something else."
@Zephyr they're shaped exactly like real life radar domes and mounted on the bridge the way many radar domes are on many naval ships. It's pretty obvious what the artists intended
Zephyr who knows? We know. The model makers of the isd call them radar domes. (see quotes from Richard Edlund) We have the notes for the designers.
The orginal books also label them sensor towers.
The newest books also label them sensor towers.
Its only inbetween books that get confused.
One of the things that never gets mentioned about the Sorranan/EX-F is that as far as I'm aware it has the fastest firing Heavy Turbolasers is Thrawns Revenge with a 1.1 second reload (Compared to the average rate of 4 seconds). And with it's good shields for it's deployment costs the Sorranan is a beast when it leads formations of ships with weaker shields.
Should also mention in TR, the EX-F has some of the longest range ion cannons. Meaning It can be dropped in with some corvettes, whittle down their shields, then drop a fleet of turbolaser focused frigates and star destroyers to finish the job
If u are talking about ship performance in Thrawn Revenge, the ISDI should be in A tier as it's one of the best Ion ship in the game. At 31 pop it ditches out 270 ion dps.
I think a lot of people, myself included, would like to see an AOTR tier list.
I can't stand this Gladiator slander. One of my favourite ship designs.
EDIT: Also, the New Republic ships seem kinda broken. Somehow the Nebula has the same firepower, same fighter complement, better anti-fighter, better shielding and armour, and also easy to produce, while being significantly smaller than the typical Star Destroyer. IDK, just seems silly.
Yeah like how are they powering all those systems in such a significantly smaller frame? The writers seem unable to write the New Republic in a realistic sense in any capacity ever lol. It's so tiresome.
Does an ISD tier list.
Top two slots aren't even ISD's.
Epic.
S-tier, which isn’t imperial, doesn’t even have shields and weapons capable of withstanding an ISD. If the ISD popped in with a support fleet of even a few corvettes and a escort carrier, Endurance gets stomped. The whole premise of the tier list was what could stand up to a fleet the best.
read the title its a star destroyer tier list not an imperial
Oh I clicked on this video because I thought the thumbnail said "LSD tier list"
There would have been an extremely simple bit of lore that could have been added to address the exposed Star Destroyer command tower. Just have the most accessible and best escape pods be on the bridge. The reason for having it sticking up like that instead of having the bridge deep inside the hull would be because it would take too long to evacuate the command staff if they were far inside the ship and you'd have more and more easily taken flight vectors. If the pods were on the bottom they would need to fly pretty far to go up, opposite issue if they were right on top and if they were on the sides, front or back the pods may be in danger of an explosion from the ship taking them out. This would be even more true for something like the Executor.
I could dig a part 2. The Nebula in TR is a bit different than The Nebula in AOTR. I like both in both mods but use them differently. The Nebula is probably my all out favorite, but I love The Allegiance b/c of its sheer brutality. The Secutor I always thought was underrated by The Empire and when I steal them from factions in TR I put them to good use.
Offensive use- Allegiance class
Defensive use- Secutor
This. Give me four Allegiances, an interdictor and a dozen Lancers, and I will conquer the galaxy one shattered fortress system at a time. I've used that combo to stomp everything short of an SSD. And when I run into one of them? A pair of Praetor-II's with Lancer support, and in 2 - 4 hit-and-fade attacks, I can grind an Executor down to nothing without losing a single ship.
the victory was never designed to replace the venator. it was designed along side/at the same time as the venator. the venator is a carrier and not a battleship. the victoru is a battleship.
When I heard that Venator was in section C, I suddenly wanted to throw a slipper at the author
I'd swap the Interdictor and Tector. While they're inflexibility means both require an escort to be effective, the Tector can at least hold its own in a 1v1 with capital ships and really only needs a screen against fighters; the Interdictor is a pure support ship and you have dedicate a lot more resources just to keep it safe, and that's before you factor in how badly the enemy is going to focus on knocking it out.
I would rank the venator at least a tier 2 if not higher because of its large fighter complement and It could carry an additional anti fighter corvette like the c70 in its ventral Hangar bay and approximately about 2 corellian gunship sized corvettes in the dorsal hangar. And on top of All this it could carry a pretty sizable army of 4000 soldiers so for me its almost the perfect star destroyer if it were not for its relatively weak shields and lacking ion cannons.
Man really said the Allegiance was 22,200 Meters long 🤦
He also called the Procusator a Persecutor, lol.
Ok, but do we all agree that the Venator is so iconic that it is what compares to more then half of the ships on this list? It is the oldest from the line, yet when you look at it, it feels as if it had the weight of the clone wars and the imperial proclamation on it, a truly terrific and terrifying ship. Not only that it is a decent match against up until A tier since it has so many fighter wings and well rounded protection, even though it is so much older then for exemple the new republic star destroyers.
Yay for learning more about ships I already knew of, and about ones that I didnt, thank you.
They really broke any sense of reality by allowing a ship like the Venator to hold 400 starfighters. An ISD was said to hold 72 TIEs and an SSD, 144.
Venerator holds like 200. Unlike the ISD and Executor venerators are designed carriers. Hollowed out ships full of hangars.
ISDs and executors are battleships, replacing hanger space with shields, armor, and heavier weapons. Executor even had an invasion force and prefab fortress.
MetaNerdz made a great argument for why the number of fighters the Gladiator carries is ridiculous for its size and purpose and was likely one of those source book stats that just weren’t thought out. He made a great analysis as to how many it should actually be able to carey
Of all these SDs, during the imperial era, I think the Gladiator would be the most rewarding to captain. A perfect pirate and smuggler chaser and an epic raider vessel. Your huge mixed fighter/bomber complement would allow for great flexibility of tactics.
The attack of the clones cross section book was really awful as estimated guesses for weapon outputs. It claimed the anti-personal lasers on the LAAT/i were firing the equivalent to half a kiloton of energy with each shot. Which largely defeats the purpose of an anti-personnel weapon in the first place; they're supposed to clear out infantry with minimal collateral damage, not nuke a city block out of existence.
I would have bumped us the tector and secutor and bumped down the pelta
Venator placement makes me sad, I also feel like using the Remake Mods stats would've made for a better ship comparison, the ships in Thrawns Revenge are made of paper
well by TR standards the Venator is even more made of paper than other ships... which is pretty accurate. The Venator was always a design that focused on its ability to carry fighters at the cost of firepower and durability. This means that the Venator has amazing fighting ability when its fighter complement is considered, but struggles against even similarly sized ships when those fighters are removed from the equation.
@Evan henderson the Venator had rather powerful shields from was I remember, and the hull was not exactly thin, it could win against the much more heavily armed separatist ships. And the weapon systems I feel were always comically underpowered, the turbolasers should've been heavy turbolasers the ship had the reactors to power stronger weapon systems.
@@michaelscalese3142 The main source I could find that indicated that the Venator had significant durability were not comparing it to similarly sized ships, and referred to many others in the same way. Most places that did compare them put them quite a bit lower than their competitors, like RPG reference material (which often forms the backbone of lore for specific ship types). Most sources that visually depict them in combat still show frailty, TCW shows them losing to separatist ships more often than winning outside of exceptional strategies. The battle of Coruscant would not be the best example as all participants had been worn down by a long period of continuous fighting, and frequently involved several ships ganging up on other ships. Also this mod DOES give the Venator Heavy Turbolasers, they just only had a small handful compared to the dozens that their competitors had.
In fact, the only source I am aware of that said their durability was anything special was Complete Vehicles, which tended to describe anything larger than a frigate in that way.
Im pretty sure he just used Thrawns Revenge as an example cuz the Nebula isnt really all that strong ingame.
While I know it's not in EAW, I wish the Resurgent Class Star Destroyer was added. ~30% longer than the ISD-II, and using Kyber Crystal-enhanced turbo lasers, the Resurgent can go toe to toe with any other ship. It's design also learned from the mistakes of its predecessor, being it's own dedicated carrier - much like the Venator Class of the Republic Navy. It is also a highly maneuverable ship, capable of outrunning it's TIE Fighters in real space if going at full speed. With the exception of much larger vessels, I'd argue its power and capabilities are unmatched, and would easily be put into the S Tier.
Bow of a ship is not pronounced like a bow and arrow, its like wow
You missed the aggressor class star destroyer, it was an imperial design stolen by the Zann consortium. It was about as long as an isd and had 2 powerful forward facing cannons that could devastate slow moving ships
Star defenders be like :(
Having seen it in some clips I was waiting to hear your opinion about the AOTR original ISD III. I know its not canon but I think it deserves a honourable mention at least.
Very informative! Thanks for a great video!
How you gonna do the Venator dirty like that right out of the gate? It has massive firepower, since it can channel 100% of its reactor output into its 8 heavy dual turbolaser batteries if it so chooses. Its reactor output is 50% of the ISD's output, so that means it is 50% as powerful in terms of turbolaser armament, not including its heavy proton torpedoes, the SPHA-T in its ventral hangar bay, and many AV-7 deck guns, which don't draw energy from the reactor. That's also not including the 420 starfighters a Venator can launch, including at least 36 heavy strike fighters, like Y-wings, ARC-170s, NTB-630 bombers, or Z-95 Headhunters. Plus, Venators can actually land on a planets surface, unlike an ISD, and they cost less than half of an ISD. I'd take a Venator over an ISD, Tector, Interdictor, Victory, and Gladiator. The Secutor is the only star destroyer I'd guaranteed take over a Venator (not considering legends star destroyers). The Venator should be in the A tier.
Please do an updated vid on the darth angelus heir to the empire fan project, it’s come such a long way.
I would like to suggest doing videos like this one for-(Frigates, Corvettes, Destroyer, And any other ships classes or types like the Mon Cal starships) so that way it'd be more of a complete list of Ultimate EAW Tier List vehicle classes and types.
Perfect timing, just got this game
Great video guys really !! I play EAW since 2010 and this game means so much to me. Seeing such content is amazing everytime
Wonder how Legacy-era Star destroyers hold up compared to these. The Pellaeon and the Imperious.
thats how you spell his name?
This is after 100 years of constant combat of crazy powerful enemies so keep that in mind. None of the ships on this list could take even one of these. I would put it on the resurgence class of power and it's one third of it's size. I'm surprised that didn't make the list considering it is official canon and is the largest and most advanced vessel of the star destroyer class of starship.
I kind of disagree with Victory 1 vs Victory 2 opinion. It is true that missiles do more damage then canons, and therefore Victory 1 does better damage when left unchecked by enemies. However besides missiles can be intercepted and jammed, enemy can focus destroying missile launchers as primary thread. Once it is done. Victory 1 is just waste of pop cap. Same cannot be done to Victory 2, as its armament is better rounded and thus cannot be disabled as ease as Victory 1. Besides its damage cannot be intercepted. Simply Victory 1 advantages over Victory 2 quite situational, while it isn't case reversed. And thus I find Victory 2 more flexible than Victory 1.
I am not saying that Victory 1 is necessary bad ship. It just is better use in different role and is more dependant on other ships than Victory 2, which actually better at job of holding its own in ship to ship combat.
Would enjoy seeing a focus on the alien ships of the Ssi Ruuvi Imperium, Yevethan Dushkan League and Nuso Esva's Empire
Rebels: we use small fighters for hit-and-run attacks because we can't afford the big stuff
Empire: MOAR BIGGERER, MOAR POWERER
Personally I prefer legends to actual canon, because the Emperor was aware that the Von existed so it makes a lot of sense for why it had so many ships dedicated to anti-capital and heavy armour, as for main canon it would just be a waste of resources, I mean why else would someone rebuilt the Deathstar if one wouldn’t need to blow up plants/world ships. (This is my opinion you don’t have to agree with it)
victory II biggest benefit is its speed it can match the isd and acts as a perfect support for that reason
Don’t know about the Allegiance being an A tier ship without having fighters. Any top Star Destroyer should have a number of fighters. I’d probably swap the Allegiance with the Secutor.
The allegiance just absolutely annihalates anything larger than a corvette with ease and any fighters that come close would be picked off with Point-Defense so id say its fair.
While the Secutor is really vulnerable for its size by any oposing capital ship.
I disagree. The Allegiance is a far better ship than the Secutor. The Secutor severely lacks in firepower vs other capital ships. The Allegiance has enough point defense and armor to make fighters not that much of an issue
Allegiances focus on quad light turbolasers along with decent laser cannons makes it extremely accurate and deadly to smaller units, while being too tanky to be easily taken out by bomber swarms. It can destroy 2 isds at the same time too, especially since its main batteries of quad heavy turbolasers are in the back, makiing them one of the last targets for AI to destroy. It also packs those triple ion cannons to quickly take out enemy shields.
Secutor has a lovely amount of turbolasers, but their bow placement makes them the first hardpoints to fall when shields are off
Well, I suppose within the context of Empire at War I could be wrong if an Allegiance is able to act like a Tartan Cruiser on steroids. However, in the context of the Star Wars universe in general where anti-fighter defenses other than other fighters tend to be less effective than in EaW, I still stand by my statement.
Initially, from what I knew of the Endurance, I thought it should've gotten D-tier. Now that I know its stats Im much more convinced. And anyways I realized that I was basing my judgement of i based off the original NRSD Endurance's performance at Orinda, where it was fighting an SSD alongside an SSD and then got ambushed and blown to smithereens by yet another Imperial SSD.
I had to crank EVERY volume setting, from the TV to my headphones to UA-cam itself to 100% to even hear what my dude was saying.
What about EotH destroyers, NR destroyes like Republic and Agressor class?
I think the Vic2 would be far better in EAW(and its various mods) if ships just had a general health pool instead of exclusively hardpoints. I like the hardpoints mechanic, but it means ships like the Vic2 and Tector sit in awkward places. If hardpoints instead had their own HP pools, but ships could simply be directly damaged if so desired, turbolaser-heavy ships would probably be a lot better, and small frigate spam would not be as overpowered. Small ship spam has innate advantages of multiple ships being able to hit multiple hardpoints at once, whereas large ships can usually only hit 1 or 2 at a time, leading to a lot of wasted shots.
Allegiance class is my all time favourite (althought i always pair them up with carriers )they are just PURE DMG 3-4 of them are better than a SSD and way more manoeuvrable
the venator should rank much higher as realistically it can use its large fighter complement to damage enemy ships before they ever get within range and then use its heavy weapons to finish off the ships when the fighters are done destroying shields and weapons.
effectively its like a ww2 aircraft carrier vs a battleship, the carrier could destroy a battleship and the battleship would never even see it.
You people fundamentally do not understand the technology of this universe when you comment and it shows.
What are these measurements, "allegiance is 22,200 meters long which is 50% larger than the ISD 1, the executed is 19,000 meters long is about 1100% larger than the ISD 1", I'm confused
He made an error there. It should be 2,220 meters not 22,200.
Considering how the Peltast was one of the EotH's specialist vessels specifically designed for the purposes of fulfilling the role of a capital killer with a relatively low cost I would rank it at an S-Tier considering that as part of Thrawn's philosophy of war in battlefield flexibility, a few of these together would be around the cost of one or two ISD IIs could be an absolutely lethal capital ship killer formation with their megamasers as a small escort of corvettes could easily fill the role of fighter and missile munition defense they lack.
Hey I'm not familiar with this game so can someone help explain what it means for the squad numbers i.e. ISD1 has:
Fighters - 2.5/4.5
Bombers - 0.5/0.5
Bakura stole Republic Sienar Systems' homework. The Bakuran Star Destroyer's bridge is the exact same design as the Interdictor-class cruiser of the Old Republic.
I don't really see how the Procursator, Tector and Allegiance classes can be put in wildly different categories when they're essentially the same design concept at different size scales. I'd personally take the Procursator over the others. Whilst the bigger ships are harder to kill they're also inefficient. For the price of one Allegiance you could have a handful of Procursators. You don't have to be a genius to se that the smaller ship loses to the bigger ship one on one, but in terms of the bigger picture the Procursator is the most useful ship of the three.
The Sith Interdictor Cruisor feels very Star Destroyer and would be an early one… and the Ravager from KOTOR 2 fits the bill.
When is next vidoe on eckstoo?
Casual SW fan question. What is that big Orb like thing on the belly of an ISD like those in the movies?
Some say it’s sensors, other sources say it’s shield generators, just depends who you ask
@@bcmm1880 Alright.
I always thought it was the reactor...
It's a reactor
@@bcmm1880 You are talking about the ones on top of the ship, op is asking about the one on the bottom
Great Video mate, love Star Destroyers
Given your analysis, what I'm hearing is that Star Destroyers were designed to not fight alone. So judging them on their ability to fight alone is a non-sequitur.
I’m assuming this isn’t using just game stats because the nebula and endurance get bodied by ISD’s
OP when combined with MC 90
After hearing your repot on the Gladiator class, I thought it should be ranked at least C tier, if not low B tier. It was tiny in comparison to the others, but well balanced and easy to produce. For its cost it’s probably one of the best, it just lacks survivable when facing bigger ships. Against comparably sized ships it sounds like it would easily be one of the best.
everyone dogs on the gladiator when that's probably one of the only platforms that could have prepared the empire for bringing law and justice to the galaxy .
Doesn't the "Tector class" only exist to plug the ESB continuity goof where the upper hull of an ISD was accidentally used as its' underside?
Edit: btw, it's bow like thou, not bow like though.
That's how they assembled it in dock. When an admiral asked then about it, the foreman just claimed it was a new model.
This was a good attempt, but you really should have someone fact check your videos. The Allegiance was a battlecruiser, and only 2,200 meters long. That made it about 30% larger than the ISD I&II, and much smaller than the Executor, the longest known warship in Star Wars, at 19,000 meters. Secondly, the Nebula-class Star Destroyer was, as far as i can tell, slightly shorter than the Venator, at 1,040 meters long, whereas the Venator was just shy of 1,200 meters long, most often quoted as 1,137.
Then you also forgot two majorly important classes of Star Destroyer, the Pellaeon and its immediate successor, the Imperious.
I like Ecks calling the Procursator a Prosecutor, I always do the same thing haha
So is Thrawns Revenge the fave choice when it comes to choosing a mod for Eaw?
Where would the Praetor class ships fit?
...Where's the Aggressor? It is a Star Destroyer after all.
Interesting list. I really like the Acclamator, Venator and Victory classes.
There are more of them!
Republic star destroyer, Praetor battlecruiser, Procurator star battlecruiser, Galactic cruiser carrier Dodona, Strident star defender.
P.S. I would like to see Galactic cruiser carrier Dodona and Strident star defender in Thrawns revenge mod!
Very good material, thank you :)
Venators are at least A tier. With a full complement, it should have no problem beating a ship even bigger than itself. It's not overpowered, hence A tier, but there's a reason why other ships mattered less than carriers. Plus, it helped to not have garbage shielding systems or oversized bridges (It still didn't need to be that big, but it's an improvement over the ISDs and the victories).
You guys really need to play Armada. They have a fees ISD: victory, I, II, Cymon Refit, Kuat refit, Onager. Awesome game
No Vindicator? Also the Imp3 exists
Empire: "Our Star Destroyers are superior!"
New Republic: "Hold my beer."
*The New Republic proceeds to create Nebula Star Destroyers. Smaller, but capable of going toe to toe & sometimes outmatching Star Destroyers.*
A casual fan like you doesn't even see how that's an issue lmao
Impstar deuce was described as 174,000 design flaws waiting to be exploited.
The v Venator is a great letter support ship targeted as a carir Victory 1 is more artillery with armor, but it lacks fighter support and, above all, which makes all the ships of the empire era nothing against fighters My personal favorite was the Palleon class or on the other hand the Nova clas but personally I like the Cis (separatist) ships and as an individual the Provident class is the best The speed of the ship as a fighter, in my opinion, very well armed and as a point defense so that capital 🥰
Wait, a Secutor could only hold a quarter of the starfighters that a Venator could? I thought it had way more.
The numbers on both the Secutor and Venator have always been ridiculous. The Venetor is supposedly a small Star Destroyer built as a half carrier half battleship, yet carries absolutely tons of starfighters.
Meanwhile the Secutor is so dedicated as a carrier that is is downgraded from a battlecruiser to a Star Destroyer despite its size due to its lack of firepower, and carries merely double that an ISD carries.
Very silly.
@@fluets5658 Yeah it makes absolutely no sense
I literally clicked on this vid to improve in vanilia....
Anybody else know that there was not enough Rebel ships during the Battle of Endor to even scratch a super star destroyer Shields how were they brought down
Kamikaze attack on the bridge.
Plot
Cool video, would love to see a tier list for Clone Wars era battleships!
In Episode 3 we can clearly see that only one Venator completely mows down Grievous' flagship, the Invisible Hand. One Venator is better than a Providence-class destroyer, so I kinda disagree with putting the Venator at C. Or is it just that the CIS ships were really bad?
No, almost all sources mentioned that Normal Providence is superior to Venator, especially in both shielding and firepower. Both side have enough starfighters to stalemate each others.
The ep 3 incident is for effect.
@@huntermad5668 it's basically a rare instance where a Venator managed to overwhelm a Providence.
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The IH had fought for a long time above Corusant while that Venator is from Open Circle fleet flesh into the fight.
Isn’t an SSD a star destroyer? Just a question.
Mod list seen here please? 👍👍
The Venator had proven its self to be very effective even when alone during the clone wars. I think it should be at least mid to high be their. A Venator always had y wings on board. Star destroyers jet them.
Hi! How can i save the currently game in the empire at war? I can' t do that.
Bring up the pause menu by clicking the icon around the bottom left of the UI. Click the save option.
Warning: do not save mid battle, and instead of directly overwriting save files, create new seperate save slots then delete old ones.
Some of the mentioned sizes are completely off the chards.
The Endurance was classified as a fleet carrier not a star destroyer.
Does anyone know what that Star Destroyer with the red markings is? I've never seen one where the central structure has overhangs like that.
Timestamp please?
@@boomstick7506 Can't believe I forgot. 12:39. I figured out it was the Mon Mothma class Star Destroyer.
Great and informative video 😊
I'm new to EAW and recently started playing Trawn's Revenge. However my display does not match what it looks like when you guys play. Example, my income and credits are in the top left of the screen (covered up by the galactic news and planet info). Is there a way to change this or another mod that you guys run along with TR?
Uh 420 You mean? For the Venator?
Which Mod are you using to see these Empire ships in EAW?
Thrawns revenge most likely
@@Goldensavage2019 Thanks I will see