@@PsiPrimeProductions1 with a game as intricate as Pathfinder, I'm constantly finding things that fall through the cracks! Those additional feats under the archetypes always blend in for me as well.
An important note, mature lets the companion act by itself! Fighters and the like with a 3rd action we can talk about can take this, as you have the spare action to spend giving the companion 2 actions. The spirit companion WITHOUT the option to make it mature makes the option MUCH more niche, power of the option notwithstanding. Does it become a auto pick on a ranger who already has a mature companion feat? Mayhaps. But for everyone else it would LIKELY remove too much of the classes core power.
As someone who's on SwingRipper's discord(but probably not on e of the people who's been very helpful to you, cuz I'm pretty new), let me say thanks to YOU too. 👍🏾
@@PsiPrimeProductions1 If you ever want to shoutout to SwingRipper, simply mention how all of these archetypes need to be weighed against wrestler; a difficult choice.
I think the Invoker Dedication is great but their healing feat can only be used when failing a save vs certain effects so not sure it is actually that good. I like Flight at 12 and the level 16 spirit form. The Dedication, especially with free skill increases, will likely be a better pick than Barbarian for anyone who wants to focus on some melee stomping; slightly less damage but you get the Saving Throw bonus and can still use concentrate actions. They do get Slam Down and Crashing Slam as extra feat which I think would make this a great pick in a Free Archetype game. Not really sure on the Involutionist. You get an Animal Companion along with some spells. Companions are very powerful even if I am not personally a fan of that play style. I expect this will see some use but an actual caster dedication is going to be better if you want more than just Basic casting. While the Emissary's Domain Spirit is flexible it is Level 6 vs the Cleric getting a Domain at level 1. That is powerful but not sure I would say it is broken. I would agree though it may feel bad for any Cleric in the party.
Is Paizo giving their trans woman iconic more love in this book? That would be really nice. Also. I love the deity archetype, quite a few of pcs and Pathfinder characters follow a deity. (Belladonna was a devout follower of Cayden Cailean after all.) It also makes me think you can become something close to an angel mythic from wotr. Especially with the marked for rebuke feat.
@PsiPrimeProductions1 Ngl. I really hope Paizo lets the people behind dragons demand to add her in as a companion. Especially since...... We could use good trans rep given recent events.
I don't think that weakness 10 gor 1 round on lv 18 is that OP. At that point enemies have 300 HP and more. Strikes at that level should roughly deal around 30-40 damage in my experience, so its a more or less 20-33% damage increase for 1 round (According to my napkin math). Strong, but I wouldn't say gamebreaking. Making it a one-time weakness would kill it though imo. 10 bonus damage aren't worth an action at lv 18 imo.
You forget that at level 18 you can use runes that deal 2-3 types of additional damage and this means that every single attack deals 30-40 damage. If you have a party that has 2 people that can deal more than an attack and/or a companion, that’s a lot of damage
@Pathfinder2nde Hmm, thats a fair point. Although in that case i'd add a clause that says that an individual attack can only trigger it once, instead of saying that it only triggers on the first attack.
You missed the fact that the weakness would trigger on every damage type the character could have on their attack. At that level, it's likely that characters have at least 2 elemental runes. That's 20 damage from a single strike already, assuming it's not a class that can have yet another damage type on their weapon. The only saving grace is that Immunity to an element is more common at higher levels. It's way too much extra damage that only makes sense within the context of PF2e if it lasts a short time.
Yeah, covered all of this when I showed on screen that a person with three elemental runes does +40 damage per hit. And that's not counting things like exemplars adding spirit damage, or a magus adding an elemental damage from arcane cascade, or a a monk using inner upheaval.
@@PsiPrimeProductions1 Jup, fair. I didn't consider multiple different damage types triggering it. Probably just gonna run it as "It triggers only once per attack".
Wow what's with all the Razmir hate? The living god is the only god that isn't afraid to directly influence Golarion, unlike those other loser deities that force other mortals to do their bidding and hide in their realms. /S
Actually was a physics major in collage for a while. Sadly, couldn't hack the math. Tried to pass Diff EQ a few times before I realized I just couldn't.
I'll say it, I am ready for the power creep. It comes to all systems eventually and boy am I enjoying what I see so far. If new options that comes out are always just as good as existing options then it becomes predictable and boring; stagnation is the worst death of any game system IMO.
I get what you're saying, but having lived through the power creep of PF1 . . . I'm not eager to repeat that experience. The game turned into rocket tag, with either the Barbarian one-shotting all enemies before I got a turn, or the enemy TPKing everyone before I got a turn. That, at least in my opinion, is the worst death of a gaming system.
@@PsiPrimeProductions1 I believe that's the natural and healthy end-state of a gaming system. The ramp up towards the end was still very fun and still is with curation. PF2e should and looks like it will do the same but at a more gradual pace. I honestly believe that before rage of elements PF2e was beginning to stagnate. I actually see War of the Immortals as a setback and wish it were as bold as Divine Mysteries; the mythic system is far too safe for its name.
12:43 Rivethun Involutionist has Additional Feats listing Mature Animal Companion.
Ah does it? Man me AND everyone on the Swingripper discord server missed that! I always forget to check those additional feat lists.
@@PsiPrimeProductions1 with a game as intricate as Pathfinder, I'm constantly finding things that fall through the cracks! Those additional feats under the archetypes always blend in for me as well.
0:51 Mortal Herald 3:28 Final Thoughts
4:10 Razmiran Priest 6:25
8:21 Rivethun Emissary 9:40
10:34 Rivethun Invoker 11:38
12:36 Rivethun Involutionist 14:35
Dwarf party, lets go!
An important note, mature lets the companion act by itself! Fighters and the like with a 3rd action we can talk about can take this, as you have the spare action to spend giving the companion 2 actions. The spirit companion WITHOUT the option to make it mature makes the option MUCH more niche, power of the option notwithstanding. Does it become a auto pick on a ranger who already has a mature companion feat? Mayhaps. But for everyone else it would LIKELY remove too much of the classes core power.
As someone who's on SwingRipper's discord(but probably not on e of the people who's been very helpful to you, cuz I'm pretty new), let me say thanks to YOU too.
👍🏾
Thanks! I appreciate it.
@@PsiPrimeProductions1 If you ever want to shoutout to SwingRipper, simply mention how all of these archetypes need to be weighed against wrestler; a difficult choice.
In short: "Alternative takes on clerics".
The convenants already allowed you to break the Deity requirement. But these Archetypes add even more.
I think the Invoker Dedication is great but their healing feat can only be used when failing a save vs certain effects so not sure it is actually that good. I like Flight at 12 and the level 16 spirit form. The Dedication, especially with free skill increases, will likely be a better pick than Barbarian for anyone who wants to focus on some melee stomping; slightly less damage but you get the Saving Throw bonus and can still use concentrate actions. They do get Slam Down and Crashing Slam as extra feat which I think would make this a great pick in a Free Archetype game.
Not really sure on the Involutionist. You get an Animal Companion along with some spells. Companions are very powerful even if I am not personally a fan of that play style. I expect this will see some use but an actual caster dedication is going to be better if you want more than just Basic casting.
While the Emissary's Domain Spirit is flexible it is Level 6 vs the Cleric getting a Domain at level 1. That is powerful but not sure I would say it is broken. I would agree though it may feel bad for any Cleric in the party.
Is Paizo giving their trans woman iconic more love in this book? That would be really nice.
Also. I love the deity archetype, quite a few of pcs and Pathfinder characters follow a deity. (Belladonna was a devout follower of Cayden Cailean after all.) It also makes me think you can become something close to an angel mythic from wotr. Especially with the marked for rebuke feat.
Shardra seems to be the back as the representative for the Rivethun stuff.
@PsiPrimeProductions1 Ngl. I really hope Paizo lets the people behind dragons demand to add her in as a companion. Especially since...... We could use good trans rep given recent events.
I don't think that weakness 10 gor 1 round on lv 18 is that OP. At that point enemies have 300 HP and more. Strikes at that level should roughly deal around 30-40 damage in my experience, so its a more or less 20-33% damage increase for 1 round (According to my napkin math). Strong, but I wouldn't say gamebreaking. Making it a one-time weakness would kill it though imo. 10 bonus damage aren't worth an action at lv 18 imo.
You forget that at level 18 you can use runes that deal 2-3 types of additional damage and this means that every single attack deals 30-40 damage. If you have a party that has 2 people that can deal more than an attack and/or a companion, that’s a lot of damage
@Pathfinder2nde Hmm, thats a fair point. Although in that case i'd add a clause that says that an individual attack can only trigger it once, instead of saying that it only triggers on the first attack.
You missed the fact that the weakness would trigger on every damage type the character could have on their attack. At that level, it's likely that characters have at least 2 elemental runes. That's 20 damage from a single strike already, assuming it's not a class that can have yet another damage type on their weapon. The only saving grace is that Immunity to an element is more common at higher levels.
It's way too much extra damage that only makes sense within the context of PF2e if it lasts a short time.
Yeah, covered all of this when I showed on screen that a person with three elemental runes does +40 damage per hit. And that's not counting things like exemplars adding spirit damage, or a magus adding an elemental damage from arcane cascade, or a a monk using inner upheaval.
@@PsiPrimeProductions1 Jup, fair. I didn't consider multiple different damage types triggering it. Probably just gonna run it as "It triggers only once per attack".
Wow what's with all the Razmir hate? The living god is the only god that isn't afraid to directly influence Golarion, unlike those other loser deities that force other mortals to do their bidding and hide in their realms. /S
_'Psi Prime'?_ are you a big physics fanboy?
Actually was a physics major in collage for a while. Sadly, couldn't hack the math. Tried to pass Diff EQ a few times before I realized I just couldn't.
@PsiPrimeProductions1
Dang, I tuck engineering and fell completely on my face so I know what it's like.
I'll say it, I am ready for the power creep. It comes to all systems eventually and boy am I enjoying what I see so far. If new options that comes out are always just as good as existing options then it becomes predictable and boring; stagnation is the worst death of any game system IMO.
I get what you're saying, but having lived through the power creep of PF1 . . . I'm not eager to repeat that experience. The game turned into rocket tag, with either the Barbarian one-shotting all enemies before I got a turn, or the enemy TPKing everyone before I got a turn. That, at least in my opinion, is the worst death of a gaming system.
@@PsiPrimeProductions1 I believe that's the natural and healthy end-state of a gaming system. The ramp up towards the end was still very fun and still is with curation. PF2e should and looks like it will do the same but at a more gradual pace. I honestly believe that before rage of elements PF2e was beginning to stagnate. I actually see War of the Immortals as a setback and wish it were as bold as Divine Mysteries; the mythic system is far too safe for its name.
@@truevenom97 To each their own