These should be better! Sony A7C II and A7CR first impressions
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Today Sony released 2 new cameras, the A7C II and the A7CR as well as a new 16-35mm G Master II lens. These cameras are the latest in the compact line from Sony. They are essentially "light" versions of the A7 IV and the A7R V.
I think these cameras are well done, however there are a few things that need design attention as this is a frustrating lineup as it is. I love the form factor, but I would actually be willing to pay more for these cameras to have slightly more professional physical features which I will talk about in this video.
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Sony does make compact primes. They have the line of f2.5 G lenses, i think they come in 24mm, 40mm, 50mm. And then sigma also have the I line which is their compact primes for FF emount.
Totally agree that Sony needs to roll out high-end f1.8 or f2 lenses. The 20mm sets the bar. Would love to see a 28mm f1.8 G, made as compact as possible. Would turn the a7c into a Q3. 35mm and 50mm f1.8 G would be great too, but 28 would be my vote.
Absolutely! The 28 f/2 is sensibly small but just meh with the proliferation of 1.8/1.4 primes from Sony and the newer Chinese companies. I gather that it's not a popular focal length for manufacture because 24 is pretty close and has more appeal as a standalone prime since many zooms cover 28 and 24 conveniently becomes 35 on APS-C.
totally. As a street photography enthusiast I want affordable but small Sony systems.
They already make fantastic slower primes in the 35/1.8, 55/1.8, 85/1.8.
35 is a must
@@BenHowlandPhoto yeah those are great lenses. would like to see them updated with the modern "G" design. Aperture rings, superior build quality, etc.
I thought they do have smaller lenses. Firstly you have the 35mm F1.8 (Which is an amazing lens), and then you have the G lenses (24mm, 40mm and 50mm). You also have the 50mm F1.8 and the 85mm F1.8 which are also pretty light. I am looking at these and thinking they are a great option as a backup/second body. I do wish they had the new tilt and flip screen though.
Those lenses could be smaller or faster.
@@samireivinenthe 35 1.8, 55 1.8, and 85 1.8 are all already pretty small...
I disagree about the modular EVF, I had them for several m4/3 cameras and ended up never using them. I would definitely appreciate an upgrade on the a7cii but I want it right where it is now. Additionally it would place it in the center of the camera, which would negate the form factor, I love the a7c precisely because it's a "rangefinder" style body. My right eye is super weak, and I don't like mashing my face into my thumb with a SLR style one.
That's one upgrade I was really hoping for, so I'm a bit bummed it didn't arrive, but otherwise I am very excited about the step up the mark ii is over my a7c.
As an aside it looks so good with that little voigtlander on there. Can't wait to do that with the silver version.
Time to change your channel's name to "art of photography equipment"....
Sony have the f/2.5 G series compact prime lenses which are pretty great. They would pair great with these new bodies. That 40mm f/2.5 G lens is one of my favorites lenses, even over my G Masters.
Yes, I love my Sony 40mm F 2.5 too, I use it often on my A7R III. In some way also my favourite lens and I also have several GM-lenses.
i have the sony 50mm f2.5, its like the perfect match! my goodness, not sure if other people have this combo. so small. i usually don't need wide open as everything is just too soft and mushy for normal photos. f2.5 is actually the sweetspot! you can still get separation.
I wouldn't buy these cameras because of the lower price, but because of the form factor and the compact size. I currently use two Panasonic GX8 bodies. Same form factor, although they are actually somewhat larger. However, the GX8, in spite of being 7 years old, has a viewfinder with the same resolution as these new Sonys but higher magnification (0.77x vs. 0.7x). I do like the button layout of the Panasonic better, but could probably get used to the Sony in that area. But that viewfinder is a deal breaker for me. If I buy a new camera, I would expect the viewfinder to be better, not worse.
micro 4/3rds to full frame is a big jump
not it isn't if you know how to use your camera@@careerdwithtomhannigan
The cameras we have today are a hundred times better than the ones top photographers had to work with in the last century. That's why I don't understand all those people whining about that view finder. Ridiculous.
Stop crying and just start taking pictures.
my gripes:
lack of joystick
should shoot 1/8000 instead of 1/4000
flash sync should be 1/250 not 1/160
should shoot 4k 60 without crop
better evf
Absolutely correct on all gripes.
While I agree with you in "the C series should also be top-range", I think at least some of the models should be more affordable than the full-sized-original and the full-featured-C models. Currently, I'm happy the C models are significantly cheaper than the full-sized ones they're derived from. And the sacrifices (EVF, single SD card, lack of 8k) aren't that big an issue - at least for me.
Thank you for an unbiased review . I would have bought the A7CR without hesitation IF the viewfinder was better . This kills it for me as a glasses user. I totally agree with you that these cameras or at least the A7CR should be more “pro” with an outstanding viewfinder
*All* reviews are biased. It is unavoidable.
The EVF is in actual fact considerably better than the previous A7C so I would suggest you check out the camera in person before deciding to write off because of the viewfinder
I purchased the A7CR, and I was so excited about its size and capabilities...BUT...the EVF was HORRIBLE, horrible, horrible. I just could not stand it, and ended up selling it. There's no excuse in 2023/2024 that Sony couldn't have put in a better EVF.
I agree. I'm getting just because I prefer rangefinder over slr. As annoying as everyone claims the evf is, the one on the original a7c was preferable to the one on the A7iv to me. The form factor trumps everything, it's more comfortable to not have to smash my face into the camera body and also maintain environmental awareness by having my other eye open and looking around.
Agree with this about small lenses...
Sony keeps releasing the same camera over and over again. And how many of those crappy EVFs and LCDs did they put in the warehouse..? The A7CR grip… the DSLR upgrade. 😂
The EVF is at the top of my priority list so it will be a no for me.
IMO your spot on about size. Personally I am looking for something compact that can also be versatile. One day I might want to be stealthy for street photography and the next have a long lens for portraits.
Thank you for the first impressions. Still holding out for the RX1R mark ii.
You coulda had that in 2015… III?
@@MrFL08Calm down Capt. Correction
You could be waiting a while because last we heard from zeiss (full frame lenses) was in 2018. The rx1r camera was always about the sonnar 35 f2. Just like the q3 around the summilux 1.7.
I loved the rx1r ii- except that x battery was absolutely horrendous. I had to keep at least 3/4 of them with me if I wanted to do a modest days travel.
You mean RX1R3?
I am not in the market for this camera, but I like its size. Especially, because I already own 2 Zeiss Batis lenses.
That said, I do want Nikon to really deliver with their coming Zf. I want something really retro, with F3 build quality and durability. That is what I want and would buy.
Me to. ZF is rumored to have 1/8000s mechanical shutter, 3,96mln dots EVF with 0.80x magn.!, better and bigger LCD, probably 1/250s flash, high res mode, WR, and it will be cheaper... the only question is sensor - 24mp or 45mp? there are some reports ZF is are tested in these two versions...
@@renessda5519 Let's hope Renessda, let us hope.
Agreed, especially since E mount lenses could be adapted to Z with very little trade off
Disagree about the EVF. If you want a big center mount EVF go with the A7RV. Add on EVF would essentially be the same... I do like your take on the smaller f2 lenses... Intrested on your take on the 35/2 Loxia. Thanks again!
Coming from the RX1RMk2 to the A7C, I had not the biggest issue with the viewfinder. everything a tad better than in the original A7C will do for me :) I think its time to say goodbye to my A7C and my Sigma FPL with all Lenses to get the A7Cr. Will be. a great companion to my Q3 I guess :)
@arminhirmer how was the move from RX1 to A7c? Did you find any lenses that gave you results close enough to the Zeiss Sonnar on the RX?
Tough one :) I used many different lenses, often the 40 2.5 which is great but also Voigtländer 35 and 50. But Sigma 65 f2 is outstanding
@theartofphotography I am in love with the idea of the A7CR for an amateur, do-it-all, high res camera. I actually recently pre-ordered it. I do have a question though! I am very interested in both travel photography, documentary/family, and nighttime landscapes. Do I lose anything (A7CR vs. A7RV) besides the beautiful LCD for nighttime / astro landscapes? I know people will say the CII and RIV will have better lowlight at the expense of mpg but it doesn't sound like that big of a compromise. The A7RV can be purchased new for just a couple hundred more than the A7CR from some vendors. Given the price difference is so narrow, should I be looking at the A7RV for my needs? I love the small size and really think it is a great 2-1 camera. Take the grip off, throw on a compact G prime and walk around with friends/family. Put a 24mm 1.4 or the new 16-35mm on it and it becomes a pro-level landscape camera. Appreciate any and all feedback!
I really like the grip.
First you make a compact version of the camera and then you make a grip so the camera is less compact 😅
The perfect lenses for these a7c's are the a Sigma i- series primes which are Small but very high quality and at lower coat. I think the EVF is very important especially when shooting street in bright sunlight. I use my EVF to check images after shoot when the back of the LCD gets washed out. EVF is key. Sad they didn't make it better than the a6xxx line but less than the full sized a7 line so as to not hurt sales of the bigger full frame cameras. Work out a deal with the evf mfg to get a better price. Don't skimp on the stuff that is used all the time. Yes you can use the lid like a phone but if you just want an lcd experience then you'll just use a cell phone not a real camera to take pix. If you paid $ to take pix with a real camera then an evf is a vital important thing for sure.
Completely agree about the EVF - Leica Q3 can do it why cant Sony
The Leica Q3 costs a lot more.
No one ever mentions the drawbacks of the flash sync speed and that hss is basically unusable due to the lack of a fully mechanical front curtain. The a7c has a max sync speed of 160 😢 I wish it would hit at least 250 like the a7iv. I am a wedding photographer and I use the a7c ii as my family/personal camera but I do like to play with flash for some nice family portraits. Wish I had a higher sync speed but hey, other than that the image quality is exceptional and the button layout is very well designed. The camera is almost perfect for me…
If you want tactile F2 primes, Sigma has some incredible lenses for sale. The challenge with an optional EVF instead of built-in is that it handicaps flash use.
Your comment about the A7C’s shutter noise, turns out there’s a speaker that adds noise. If you cover the speaker holes on the top logo side of the camera it’s way quieter and sounds much better.
1/4000 max shutter speed is a big letdown. Also, I hate that these cameras don’t have a joystick for focusing. I love the form factor and had the A7C, but got rid of it because of these two issues.
Compact lenses for Sony? Sigma i-series. A bunch of great F2 primes ;-)
My biggest gripes are :no tilting rear panel (not a video guy), no joystick, the materials could be better as touch points, and the EVF…. I like the concept of this line, but Sony neglects their photo customers by not going all out with the ergo ice and aesthetics of the more photo centric bodies. If you’re a video guy they put more effort in. I just feel that with the prospect of more people migrating from film bodies, they could’ve capitalized by not making this just a leftover parts bin line, but something made with intention. They make amazing featured cameras, but they don’t approach camera design with the user in mind first.
This really shouldn’t be a “budget” option. It should just be a different form factor.
Well today on Amazon the a7cII is 2199 and the a7iv is 2299. I think I would go with the a7iv at this price point over the other.
I agree. If SONY ever came out with a compact premium line, it would be an instant success. That said, the 'new' sub-standard EVF and LCD at the current price point in 2023/24 is inexcusable.
half way there, they got the PREMIUM $3000usd price tag on A7CR ;)
I'll have to actually handle the camera, mainly so I can see if the slight improvement in the EVF makes it a camera I can live with. I had the A7C and sold it after a few months because I just could not live with that EVF.
Why don't Sony have an open conversation (literally live on UA-cam) about camera development with their user base? Ask the question, "tell us what you want" and then give reasons why they can and can't include specs and arrive at a camera that people are genuinely excited about and feel like they've had a hand in creating. Imagine the sense of community and loyalty that would bring. The viewfinder is a recipe for resent. Size isn't an issue, plenty of smaller cameras have superior viewfinders and it isn't price, the A7RC costs the same as a GFX50sII, nor are they having to recoup additional R&D costs because the components are inherited. Sony needs to kill and consolidate IMO. Bring coherence by offering fewer cameras that are as good as they can be. These cameras will just make it easier for me to stick with my A7IV and not lust after the shiny new thing.
Agreed
Agree, if only the eVF of my Sony RX1R can be used on ZV-E1, I'd pick it up so fast.
They have 3 compact lenses that released with the original A7C.
I wish Sony had a smaller range of cameras. It feels like they are spread too thinly.
Great review, thanks! Agree with the smaller footprint should not always equal smaller price point argument. The ACRII is such a compelling platform for hiking/landscape… BUT, like yourself, the EVF & LCD factor in greatly to my personal happy factor when using the A7iv. Coming from a Z6ii, I still enjoyed the user experience more because of how thinks looked while shooting (though I’d never trade the AF, glass, or customization :D). Thanks again!
Not related to the A7C line but to Z6 II and A7IV: So you liked the EVF and LCD on the Z6 II more but prefer AF, glass and customization of the Sony? Would love to hear from your experience with those two cameras!
@@CopyRightOC Yes… I originally bought the Z6ii because it ticked off enough boxes and the screen/experience of the A7III at that time was miserable. I rented the A7iii, EOS RP, and a couple others, in the end I loved the image quality and user interface of the Z6ii better. After using the Z6ii for a year, though the CAF/Eye AF got quite a bit better (FW 2.0), the reliability was still not where I needed it and I was having a hard time finding the glass I wanted at a cost-effective price for me personally. We have 6 kids that all do photography so I need a more affordable eco-system than others.. came down to Canon RF bodies and EF Glass, or Sony. When the A7iv dropped I still was not overly impressed with the LCD/EVF resolutions but they were better than the A7iii and good enough, though not amazing like the Z6ii (which isn’t close to the X-H2, A1, etc.). The Tamron/Sigma glass for the E-Mount has been fantastic. The Sony ergonomics are still not my favorite, but there is little the A7iv has not been able to do for me… just a great all-rounder with exceptionally reliable AF, customization, and lens eco-system. Hope that helps some! The A7iv colors are also very close now to a blend of Canon/Nikon. Nikon and Fuji still produce my favorite colors and I’m seriously looking into the Fuji Eco-System as well… it’s just their ISO / Low-light performance that keeps me Sony at the moment.
Edit: Concerning Customization, there is almost zero barriers to customizing the A7IV’s buttons/dials etc. I love the unmarked dial on top (normally exp comp), I have it slaved to Aperature… I almost never need to look at the menus. Speaking of which, the menu structure is now every bit as refined as Nikon… I still prefer Canons, but Sony is 2nd. With the My Menus (6 pages) you can store every setting you quickly want to find in any order, it’s a great and very user-friendly eco-system now (even if the verbiage is still a bit head-scratching). The camera ergs are not as good as Nikon or Canon… just doesn’t feel as “right” in the hand, but it gets better every day with muscle memory.
yes the evf is a pain in.......,
The @7C was on my radar but when I got one in my hand, I instantly said no! The EVF was far too small and was unusable… and the price! It’s £3,100 here… that’s not‘cheap’!
Why didn’t they just build the extension grip into the body?
I hope these are better… sold my @7 III and gone back to Fujifilm as I’ve bought the X-T5.
$2,200 and $3k are not low price point - they should have the features you mentioned at those prices, especially a better EVF and back LCD. Also not a huge fan of the fully articulating screen on this model - they should have used the design and screen from the A7R iv. If you want a fully articulating screen, get an A7IV or ZV-E1 - keep the A7C for the mostly stills crowd.
The left side viewfinder is a tad problematic for left-eye shooters.
It’s great to see the Loxia lens in use on this. Really curious to know your experience with it on the CR. I’m with you in that this is the most intriguing of the two for my uses.
Regarding other lenses I do think the Sony G-lenses, the 24mm, 40mm and 50mm would be a natural fit. I have owned the 50G and found it incredibly competent both in utility and resolution on the a7riii and a7riv. Maybe Sony will produce 28mm and 85mm versions of this family?!
Like you the lack of EVF magnification really hurts for me personally - I wear glasses all of time, so that small and narrow EVF pushes my eye way back, and I just prefer to frame that way but can’t say it’s a complete dealbreaker.
Thank you for the thoroughness and thoughtfulness as always!
I think on first look that Sony has a great camera in the A7C-II. That said, I would add to the wish list a second card slot, and a better EVF. I'm not a hybrid shooter so video specs don't excite me. If I can get 1080 at 120 I'm happy. I am confused why Sony hasn't made any changes to their fps rate of 10 or less. They've made so many advances in autofocus and subject tracking that it seems as though raising the fps to something closer to 15 would have been made a reality by now. I currently shoot Canon, but Sony has been peaking my interest for some time. Just a few key features and I'll be switching!
SONY wants you to buy their upcoming a9III - it might be the fasted camera ever made!
if only Sony would update the a7IV with these new video features, like LUT support, it wouldn't feel like I’m wasting my money with buying new camera bodies..
Yeah, trying to decide if trading in my A7IV for the A7CII would be worth it. It's funny, when I was looking for a compact camera, I was looking at the A7C, XT4, but I went with the A7IV as it was just announced at that time and had features I wanted. I just made sure to keep small lenses for it to keep the weight and size down. The feature that makes me tempted is the Custom LUT support, cause I would be able to use my lut and see how it going to look while shooting and have exposed better, rather than having to overexpose and adjust in editing.
I think they should make that EVF larger. But they probably don't want to compete with Leica's Q3, (another of their big customer of sensors), creating something with big EVF and with interchangeable lens will beat that $6k product.. and could also reduce sales for A7R V.
Great unbiased review as I am looking for a travel camera in a rangefinder style body. Unfortunately, I agree with the comment that Sony has missed the mark on the most glaring flaw of the A7c which is the viewfinder on both these camera bodies. Now let's see what Fujifilm releases at their next A-Summit on September 12th in Stockholm (X-Pro 4 ? ).
cost 💲 though Rof .. lol 😆
Literally the one feature I use the most on the a7C original is moving the focal point, then dialing it in with the manual rings on my lens. A joystick for this work would be awesome.
ngl, I'm kinda a fanboy of the form factor, so I hope to own both very soon. That being said, I think the II will be my first grab. Thanks for the info and your thoughts!
LOL - I'm guessing that I'll eventually get both myself. Seems crazy to even consider. I have the original A7C too, so I may sell it to help with that. The original was less than magical - certainly felt the compromise from the A7III but the form factor is the kill app - especially as I age. I don't even want to bring my heavy good glass with me - preferring the travel-friendly "good enough" compact lenses.
have you tried the additional eye cup ? , it really makes a difference
I understand your perspective but as I own an a7rv, I want a second full frame less expensive travel camera. The a7cii fits the bill but at that price I need a better evf. I think it should’ve been leas than 2k. It’s too close to the a7iv in price. We forget the a7iv was 22-2399 when it first came out.
Sony 35 1.4 is somewhat compact. The 55 1.8 matches well. The Samyang 75 completes the set and is smaller than the 55. Not tiny but all faster than f2.
I was holding out for upgraded EVF. Major disappointment so I will not purchase.
Yep I completely agree, if the EVF was just a little bigger and we had a joystick on this body, It would be my next purchase. And would probably replace my X-Pro2. It's so close to being the perfect FF rangefinder style camera.
Mines coming this week... Bought a fuji xh2.. Horrible autofocus, selling it for this.
Maybe one day we'll see full feature a1c or a9c with good evf, better screen, dual card slots and one of this awesome sensor - professional, small and beautiful (chrome) body.
Agreed. Dumbing these down is bad. I would pay for better (larger) EVF and Joystick. And i think it’s time Sony puts design templates into photographers hands before making UI choices.
How is the A7C R priced at 3k with 61 megapixels full frame sensor and excellent auto focus a low price point customer centric camera? I do like the suggestion for a modular EVF though instead of compromising the user experience by putting in a sloppy EVF. The EVF is not a big deal for me as I mainly use it for night photography and long exposure stuff. Even for other occasional use cases, I only bother with the EVF if its super bright. But I defnitely, 100% would have a loved a better quality LCD display at the back. They should not have compromised on that! But I love this camera for the price and the image quality, the 2 things which are the most critical. And it looks pretty modern too!
From what I have heard so far, the view find has a bit higher magnification in the A7c. It sounds like it is a "modest" improvement which you would only notice if you tested it together with some of the other similar bodies (old A7c and a6600 and a6700), but it seems they are listening. Then again, they _are_ making more money on some of their other bodies, so . . . . :-)
Very good presentation indeed. To me evf is useful and important to use outdoor under strong tropical daylight. Sony's invention is never up to consumers ' expectation. That means we have to change gear every few years.
What is the aesthetic value of 61mp? Is it a different look? I think this is a burning question among a lot of people. Thank you.
I think Sony wasted a hugh opportunity by going "safe" with these two C models, sure, people will welcome A7IV and A7R5 in more compact and cheaper bodies but if it's just that plus/minus a few features, it's also boring. I'm not saying putting an A1 inside that body but they can do some tweaking like you said optional EVF (or even tilting, list that one on Panasonic GX7), or dials like on Fuji and Nikon ZFC, or maybe built-in storage to free up even more space, bring something that you don't see on those "serious" bodies.
I could not agree more. What astonishes me is that Sony provides the technology required for not just most of the DSLR market but also most medium format cameras and yet they could dominate this market if they so wished - but instead produce humdrm middle of the road cameras which are not built terribly well.
I also want that small but hi spec camera and small f2 lenses. That would be a killer combo. Maybe a1c?
All this griping about 2 card slots always gets to me. When I shoot my film cameras they don't have two film strips running in them to make sure I have a backup. Geez I can't really guarantee that photos are being taken. Some of the most beautiful photos were taken with film without "two film strips". Early professional digital cameras also didn't have two card slots and professionals were able to do their work just fine. They didn't stop being professional cameras because they didn't have two card slots. Now all the youtubers are muttering about no professional camera without 2 slots--bunk! Also, as a photographer and not videographer I could care less about HD, 4K, 8K, LUTS, etc. I want a camera where I can disconnect all that junk and use those resources for photographs. It is unfortunate that the camera industry needs to make a single camera to do two dissimilar things (e.g. each has their own requirements and sometimes conflict). Without the video crap, one could use the space in the camera for larger viewfinder and not increase body size and keep costs down. Photographers do pay for that video stuff even if they don't use it. On viewfinders, the digital camera I like to shoot the most is my Leica M240 (even more than my Sony 7RIII). Its viewfinder is not as good as the one on the A7CR. I don't have any issues with using it. Although I admit most of the time I use the rangefinder. I believe Sony did a great job with the A7CR. I believe they made the correct tradeoffs. This whole thing is about size and one gives something up for that. What more there are other models (and brands) as you pointed out.
Literally no reason for these to exist. No one will perceive a difference between this hanging around you on a strap or a full A7RV. Pure marketing bullshit
I already own an A1 and A7rV, I preordered the A7CR as a possible replacement for my RX1RII, I was hopping the viewfinder was at least better than that camera, still on the fence as to see when it comes in or cancel.
@bobdamico1099 how did the A7cr fare as an RX1 replacement? Which lens are you using as a replacement for the Zeiss on the RX?
I've been saying how much I would love an external EVF option for the ZV-E1, I love my A1 but at times, I prefer the ZV-E1, yes... even for photography, that thing is amazing in low light! But NOT having an EVF makes it hard to use at times, so yeah... external EVF for selected bodies would be great!
Interesting that Sony believes there are people serious enough to drop 3K on a camera with 60mp sensor, but those same people don’t care about EVF or LCD screen quality? Maybe they should have just kept those features comparable to the A7R5 and sold it for the same price? Pros would just buy the body they prefer.
Everyone so exited about extra grip accesory... Then why all that hype about compactness if all want good usability over compactness?
next version the EVF resolution will imporve I guess, but the external EVF is the way to go, but then I think not so many people will buy it, since it will cost another 150$, or more like the stupid expensive grip, which could have come with a joystick for example
Max shutter speed still 1/4000s ? ...
My A7CR : 1/4000s with mechanical shutter and 1/8000s with electronic shutter.
I would pay more for a great EVF - we need an a7CL ( L for Lux or fully Loaded.)
Two things would really make me take a serious look at these two camera is one a better EVF and two a new line of F2 lenses. Everything else I could live with.
"Cheaper"…
Only 100€ separate the Sony A7C II from the Sony A7 IV (without lenses) …
And I was looking for something smaller / cheaper.
THese are the most ridiculous cameras in the world. So you want a compact camera because you're going to travel and you need to keep everything small. You do a good job with the camera, and then you decide to have a zoom and the ridicule starts: the camera is not compact anymore; look at it, can you put this in a small back on in a jacket pocket with a 24-70 mm? OF course you can't! So what's the point? The requirement of the full frame lenses make it so that it simply can't be compact! Unless you use a couple of prime, but do we want to use primes when we travel? So what are those cameras? Gimmicks. You want to travel light, get the A6700 or a fuji S X20 and you'll be fine, you'll have a real compact camera to travel everywhere. You need full frame for work? I mean, you think you have people who work with their cameras and watch you here?
Hi Sir compare between the two camera A7Cll and A7CR overall which I the best choice. Tks
The blue ring of the zeiss looks really cool without the orange…. How did you do that? Lol
In my teens I owned a Nikon f301 which had a 0.92 VF. Was so cinematic to shoot with. Why are we going backwards? If the r had a top notch evf I would have emptied my banc account.
I'd love to see this camera with a slightly smaller screen with no tilt option and a full fledged viewfinder. It would be almost perfect then.
Despite its high-tech features, why are the Sony alpha 7C ii images I see online less focused? And the photos taken are not as good as a7 iv.
No. They should have been worse and cheaper to actually create a proper gap to the more pro-focused A7-lineup. Be more barebones and rival the Canon RP as an entry level full frame camera whilst also giving a proper reason, price-wise, not to get a used A7iii or A7iv.
The A7CR is really a strange camera imho. I think they should have built it around the older 42.5 mpxl sensor instead. But I guess the read-out speed is too slow on that sensor to make sense in 2023
Those are pretty borring updates. Nothing really much more compact or better then those ”bigger” cameras. It is just cheaper amateur lineup. Why Everyone is so pumped about those tiny software changes that really changes nothing remotely important?
You want some nice f/2.0 lenses? Sigma's I-series lenses fill that niche very nicely.
The low resolution viewfinder seems to be a permanent fixture. Sony needs to be dissuaded from leaving it at this level. These are patently inadequate, and I would rather see a dual battery body to handle the power load down to see no improvement from this “just barely good enough“ level.
EVF really isn't bad . And the magnification fills the window for me.
Before I will buy either of these cameras they must have 2 card slots and a competitive EVF.
I could live with all of the deficits in the A7Cr except, for a paying job I will not use any camera without a second card slot.
No 4k120 or HD240 what exactly are these cameras supposed to be? Sony is taking the p*ss!
Small form factor, compromised UI, Sony - nothing on at list will ever get me to buy a camera...
Sony is not Leica. That's why I ordered one instead of Sony
I'm with you on the joystick. No matter how good a company's AF system is, I still want to precisely place an AF point, and not use a touch screen to do it. The A7R III(a) is getting a bit long in the tooth, but I still think it's a bit of a sweet spot in the lineup in terms of features, resolution, etc. I intend to hold on to mine for a while.
Still using the original A7R3, as well. The only reasons I'd see to get a newer body would be AF improvements, better IBIS and focus stacking, but I don't actually need any of these features, and the A7R3 still has the best battery life (I think?) and better high ISO and dynamic range.
What’s the issue ussing the control wheel to shift focus area? I never understand what should be advangage of joystick. You want to play videogame?
@@SuperTonda1 Mine is set to control a bunch of other stuff. I like having the joystick, it's useful and gives extra manual control. Using the control wheel for focus would give me less options. To each their own, but I find it helps the camera get less in the way.
@@wandererstraining okay I get that~ I also use that for extra functions. But isn’t there a way to program to press button in the middle and then move the focus area and keeping the other functions that way?
@@SuperTonda1 Yeah, but I also programmed it for something else, lol. Plus, it's an extra click every time, where the joystick is more instinctive.
Agree with the optional evf option. I wish sony would offer that instead of the dinky little evf on these. I had the detachable evf for canon m6 camera and it was awesome, I could have a tiny discreet camera, and if I needed to see better I could pop it on and it only got slightly larger. Do it sony!!!!
The EVF on the 2 new models have been improved from 0.59x to 0.70x same as the a6700. But yes if you think it’s still not big enough no external option now.
The grip is the biggest joke, make a camera that works without additional accessories,what the point.
The lack of joystick definitely stops me buying these cameras…..
the small but not worse kinda thing is the same I alwas complaint about in the smartphone market. I want a smaller phone, not a worse phone
I might swap my A7C for an A7C ll, looks very good.
I'd rather to keep the camera compact than have a better but bigger EVF. In my opinion, if you really need EVF in general size, you can go with A7M4.
Well Fuji X100V has a higher res EVF so it's possible...
In the super small size RX1R2 they put in a 0.78x pop up EVF. It’s more about cost I guess.
Such a waste! Almost EVERY review of the previous version said the evf was terrible but Sony did not upgrade it. I will not be buying either of these cameras. I agree with your conclusion that a high quality version is what I really want. I am not really obsessed with the small form factor. For me, just take the a7Rv and make it an a7R/Rv same camera with a rangefinder style evf and body.
They did upgrade the EVF and LCD just not to people's liking :). FWIW I wish it was a higher resolution EVF and screen as well.
I understand these are compact models, but paying 3K for a camera with just one card slot is dumb