Warframe wastes your time and has worst monetization than Destiny
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- Опубліковано 4 вер 2024
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People that think that the monetization system in warframe is worse than Destiny are out of their fucking minds
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In Warframe you go to the in game store because YOU WANT TO... In Destiny, you go because Bungie MAKES YOU GO.
Destiny content/gear behind paywall
Warframe content/gear can be grind or trade with other players to get
Unless f2p player enjoys half content I guess xD
Most of the content in the store can be bought for ingame currency too, which you can earn from playing the game and trading. Stuff that costs money is often cosmetics (by actual players in some cases, which should get money for their work) or bundles of stuff you can just earn
Me, a D2 player opening the Warframe store for the first time:
Aw man, I can't get this cool weapon because I got no plat... "Purchase blueprint for 30,000 credits" LETSSS GOOOOOO
Yugh
@@Evil_Shadow_Wizard "Purchase Warframe Blueprint for 30,000 credits" ... "Ok so how do I craft it? I need a Neuroptics, Systems, and chassis blueprints." ..... *50,000 boss kills later* "I FINALLY GOT THE SYSTEMS BP!!!! Now I can sell these 500+ neuroptics and 2,500 chassis blueprints!" .... not trying to hate on Warframe, but the RNG for some of it is ridiculous.
Warframe: "Oh shit we made a slot machine that is incredibly profitable and Predatory. GET IT OUT!"
Destiny: "How can we monitize the Players footsteps?"
I remember Sheldon being appalled at his 'creation' and having it removed from the game almost immediately. Now that's a good Dev team.
I remember that Kuburo skin randomizer, Digital Extremes nuked that instantly when they saw how it was being used.
the only thing they monetised was... the fucking dungeons... yeah... footsteps... definitely better than the shitty slotmachine XD
Player ingame market: Rivens exist, yet review outside of Warframe Community will ever understand just how stupid they are.
@@kyneos4246campaigns, battlepasses, new eververse item? Pop up, and exotic weapons are locked behind dlc’s
Wild that someone can see a free to play game and say it has worse monetization than a free to play game that forces you to buy all the content updates
Especially when looking at how the people that have decided to pay DE for something it has helped them build the game for the past 10 years we are choosing to give money for things we want or you go grinding all up to the player
DESTINY IS A PAY TO PLAY GAME LMAO THEY WENT FREE AT SOME POINT BUT THAT DOESNT MATTER BECAUSE ITS ALWAYS BEEN A PAY TO PLAY GAME LIKE LITERALLY ANY OTHER GOOD GAME IS XD
a free to play game that used to have real content but they removed it all to make room for year after year of overpriced, recycled, 3 hour long dlc that costs as much as a new game.
@@kyneos4246 There’s pay to play then there’s: Over 100 Dollars for all of the content for an expansion you already payed 50 to 60 dollars for, case in point Lightfall. Bungo fell off after Forsaken. The only people defending it are either lost souls who put to much time into it and feel obligated to defend their time into the game they know hates them, or people who refuse to see the truth.
@@showaker4755 this shows how little you actually played the game. Raids and dungeons are always refreshing, the seasonal activity is mostly refreshing but can get stale after a month of course. GMs provide an entirely different experience to the normal strike experience and you just really gotta play those exotic missions bro XD
Me: Tell me you've never Played Warframe without telling me you've never played Warframe.
Them: 'Warframe's monetization is worse than Destiny's'
Besides tennogen stuff (whos money directly goes to artists that made those skins) you can get everything, EVERYTHING for free in this game. All the weapons, almost all cosmetics, all warframes. People just be hating cuz they're empty inside
@@whatsthislmaooeven tennogen skins you can get for free the only thing you can't get is the prime access cosmetics
@@whatsthislmaooon consoles you can get tennogen with plat. You just can't use coupons on tennogen 👍
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Rivens.
@@greschenglin-dz7wj rivens are free? The Riven economy is mostly player influenced. And given how disposition works it can be argued that DE stops the riven market from going too overboard.
Either way rivens are optional and not required in any way for you to complete the game or be ridiculously over powered.
Felt like Neo taking the red pill after going from D2 to Warframe. What blows my mind is watching some of the bigger D2 streamers every now and again play the same 3 crucible maps and 6 strikes and be like "the content is so good guys, don't worry Bungie is listening". Meanwhile in Warframe we get Dev shorts and Dev streams on twitch/YT with exclusive drops for watching them play/talk about the state of the game and have a good time with the community. Wish D2 was like this but everything they do is reactionary to negative feedback and ask for more money.
It's kinda funny, you're the third person I've seen to reference the Matrix in relation to Warframe, and all three of those references have been to different scenes.
I was going to comment of his switch to warframe from d2 which is one of his most popular videos I think he's just a clout chaser trying to stir up diehard d2 fans and warframe players and I don't think it's going to succeed, its pathetic
The warframe devs even give out free frames, cosmetics, items, gear, and other plat costing items for free during these streams, just in one tennocon, without paying a dime to DE themselves, you can get 1 cosmetic, 1 frame, and 1 weapon on average, from 1 tennocon, that can be over 6 to 7 hours of farming, and thats not including that theres so many cosmetics that you can get for free, like deluxe skins, colour palettes, armors, and syandanas, by in game trading, no one in their right minds will say a system like D2s monetization is worse than warframez monetization which is optional.
@@coma2726absolutely, I loved destiny 1, but Warframe is just objectively better
Can you grind free premium currency in D2?
No? Then it automatically has 100% worse monetization than Warframe.
Also, pretty much, if not everything in game is grindable as I'm sure you've stated in the video.
You can't grind free premium currency in warframe either. Someone paid for the platinum. DE got their money from someone just because you didn't pay for doesn't mean it was free.
I honestly wonder, if Bungie let people trade weapons for silver if everyone would be cool with it? It wouldn't change how much money Bungie gets, but I guess they didn't want it to look like pay to win. Clearly, that was their mistake.
I get what you're saying, but the point still stands that you can gain for free if you desire.
Edit: also doesn't change the fact with exception to something like limited time ephemerals and such, everything is grindable without the use of premium currency.
@@wy100101 i mean people will always buy some stuff in a game that's the point if no one gonna pay then devs won't get paid = no game
but the fact that u can trade those premium currency lets people who don't or can't spend still get to enjoy primium stuff without being forced to spend real money makes it better :P
the game is free and only real money your forced to spend is tennogen which is community made cosmetic approved by the devs, most of the money will go to the artist and part will go the devs which is fair still
that first phrase is pure delusion. When the entire economy for warframe is holding itself up, it is effectively entirely free to play and grind.@@wy100101
Don't forget the events that give platinum
lets also not forget warframe LITERALLY gives u plat discounts from time to time that u can CHOOSE to use.. which is very fucking nice
Also, one thing I don't see mentioned when talking about plat is how, if you decide to buy it, it's really good value for money. It's not like other games with microtransactions, where you buy $20 worth of in-game currency and it gets you a single item. No, in Warframe, $20 will get you multiple cosmetics, probably something off Trade Chat, and you'll have enough left to maybe grab a Forma pack and finish off dojo construction with the scraps. The fact they give you discounts on top is crazy.
Well, I love Warframe monetization, but... I always think that the discounted price is the real price for low spenders (5-10) and the log in 75% reward forces you into FOMO. "Hey, you have this superdupernice offer that only lasts 48h... Will you miss it out?"
Also the new players that see that doesn't know that you can get that discount (25-75%) every week.
I think that the offer should be a consumable ticket that you could keep and use when you're comfortable enough to spend your own money and that you could only own only one with the same % discount at the same time.
@@pooof6605 mostly I agree. I took a 3 year break and decided when I came back I was going to buy plat as soon as I got a 75% discount. I got lots of 25% and 50% but I decided to hold out. It took me over a year of fairly regular logins to get that discount. Then I spent 50$ on the 200$ pack and was happy. I may never need to buy plat again. (Also, you never *need* to, when you can earn it, but 10 years of my gaming life is worth a 50$ purchase to me, even though I usually buy/sell/trade to get the plat I need.). Those 75% coupons can be legit fomo if you get one.
@@pooof6605 i think that getting a 75% of deal on plat prices that you could theoretically stock up would be kinda too much i personally dont see it is that bad of a problem considering you can make some of the biggest plat bundles WAY cheaper with it
It's crazy someone can say that and be 100% serious
What? That destiny is bad?
@@trohntobi6134 Dawg your critical thinking comprehension might actually be next level dookie
@@trohntobi6134 are you fr?
Warframe puts destiny in the grave and shits on top of it.. tf
No. Warframe didn't do that. Bungie did that themselves.
@@showaker4755 well that is even worse lmao.
@@namegame-ow5nj it is. significantly. Bungie openly admitted to phoning it in on the last few expansions because they don't want to set expectations too high in their words. In reality they just want to be lazy and push out as little work as possible and still make a profit.
@@showaker4755 And then Warframe did what it does best and nuked the grave.
one thing i want to point out thats truely reflective of the 2 games and their develoopers attitude on the monetization front.
In Warframe, every month the Developers host a DevStream, going over every thing their working on and upcoming content and changes, its notable, that in these devstreams atleast 1 Lucky player is drawn in a giveaway to recieve 1000 Platinum. which is $50
and every year they host Tennocon, their big anual event to showcase their grand new content coming, in this event they select 1 Lucky winner to recieve 100,000 Platinum. which can we just stop to recognise is 5 THOUSAND flipping dollars worth in platinum?
like DE are giving away thousands of dollars in free plat to the community a year, and thats not including the free plat in free bundles you get fromperiodic bundles on Xbox.
meanwhile over in Destiny land, Bungie, who has 3 way monetization ($60 Expansion packs, $12 Season Passes every 3 months, and $5 to 20 dollar cosmetic shop) just got bought out by Sony for 3.6 billion dollars. refuses to give away even 100 silver to players (which is litterally $1)
if anything that is a slam dunk on showing which game has the worst attitude when it comes to their games monetization structure,
100% agree with this holy shit dude you hit it right on the nail.
Wow
Side note there is a third party website that tracks prime pieces, mods, etc. It helps you see what the going price is for each piece you want or the whole set. Best way not to get scammed
warframemarket is goated, though i'd still recommend asking a veteran before wading into the riven market.
@@nlomano444 riven market is a nightmare as a vet lmao. MR30 was simple and straightforward compared to figuring out how people price them. May as well be dictated by the phase of the moon.
Here are two examples of Destiny's monetisation. These are just the tip of the iceberg.
Firstly, if you are a New Light player, and want to catch up by buying all of the past expansions, *not* including dungeon keys and season pass, it'll set you back $150.
Second, let's pretend you want the new Witcher skins on each of your classes. Those are $20. EACH. Sixty fucking dollars for three cosmetics, like, are you fucking joking, Bungie?
Destiny doesn't just have worse monetisation than Warframe, it is categorically the worst monetised game on the market.
and lets not even dive into the core story experience people paid money for THEN paid expansions for that was removed and never returned. Weapons and Armor sunset and never brought back that have skins tied to them that cost real money. it's really crazy how once I got out of the loop i started to realize how straight diabolical it all was
@@NotBlerdcalibur Don’t forget that the seasonal content that you pay for, is mostly if not always original models, usually it’s just reskins and a new pattern slapped over a reprised weapon/armor (that you previously had, was sunset and forced to pay for again/grind for a worse roll)
lol warframe's heirloom skins were 45$ each and locked into a bundle for 90$, so even if you only wanted one too bad fork over 90$
@@vKILLZ0NEvwhich was a one time thing that Warframe said they wouldn't do again. Unlike Destiny which just gets worse and worse and takes 0 player feedback.
@@vKILLZ0NEv Oh wow an optional skin that you dont have to buy and was a one time thing vs actual content being locked behind walls.
Bungie sees there players as wallets and DE sees the players as actual players
DE sees us as losers, and we love them for it. 😂
@@CakeorDeath1989 DE is equally as down bad as us and they admit it red text said "gemussy" DE isnt a mega corp, its a glorified meme filled indie dev.
@@CakeorDeath1989 "Registered losers". Big distinction.
@user-el6tm4iw1r My mistake haha.
I have always enjoyed how in warframe you can easily get into riven rolling for easy plat. the hard part is really just getting the right roll and even then its not as hard as some of the grinds
I usually just leave them veiled and sell them for 20p each
@@yvngvudu me too, easy plat if you are in need.
Rivens are a comfort food, 20p for a veiled, or you can get spicy and go for gold, I don’t use rivens personally, so it feels good to offload them
every week you can buy 2 riven, roll them, and sell them if you don't like what you've got, that shit is endgame stuff let me remind you
@@rabbit7261 Selling rivens isn't endgame at all really, you unlock them as a sortie drop after The War Within then you can buy them after doing Chains of Harrow, I've made 300p from selling unveiled and trash rivens which has gotten me warframe slots and weapon slots, catalysts and reactors too. I've been playing for 2 months mind you, no steel path access yet
The DLC priceing and limitations if you refuse to buy it is almost criminal.
I use to be around 15-20$ and every time the next cost more up to 100 usd.
Then they erased weapons that took weeks or months to get god rolls, and sunsets PAID DLC.
I don't think Destiny has ever erased weapons. Ever. If you got a weapon it is still there and can be used right now.
@@fluidwolf I mean Sunset.
The second they mentioned sunsetting I left and never went back. Coming from a player that spent hundreds as well. Bungie can go take "a long walk" D2 sniper reference.
I think another great consideration between games is just how great the warframe community is. There is always somebody willing to help and/or teach players how to streamline their experience and enjoy the game. In my 1200 hours I couldn’t even tell you a single time I’ve encountered real toxicity.
Has only happened to me once. I didn’t know how to leave an open world (endless) bounty and some guy started yelling at me to leave. I said I didn’t know how and he just kept yelling. Immediately someone else in our squad reached out to me and explain how to leave and apologized for his behavior. They also continued to help me understand how the bounties worked. The one negative experience I’ve ever had. I’ve had a plethora of positive ones.
Some will even straight up carry you if they want
@@0ddxty. My first "toxic" experience was a tri-dolon hunt.
Someone one-shot the 1st Eidolon instead of capturing. They all blamed little mr 15 me with a Nataruk 😂. Blocked me.
1 minute later I was being carried by a super patient L1 who could do a 6×3 and type what to do at the same time 😂.
Now I can do a 1×3 and carry newer players.
Really warframe and ffxiv are the last bastions of decent MMO design
and Path of Exile. Ironicaly both warframe and exile are owned by tencent, the company everyone complains about being bad for gaming.
@@spazco8669 Thats because tencent isnt the dev, rather a stakeholder. if tencent was calling the shots for sure it would be as bad if not worse than destiny. I think when tencent bought stakes in DE and PoEs devs, they knew to leave well enough alone.
@@spazco8669 tencent is basically just funding them
in the end of the day it's the devs who are making the game
@@spazco8669 Tencent is relatively hands off with their devs under their wings. They're greedy, but they're smart enough to leave professionals alone to make money for them.
Warframe was previously owned by another chinese *farming* company, and before the buyout by tencent Path of exile did a collab with warframe, as a tiny community thing "Path of Warframe: Quest for the average neck"@@spazco8669
Of course it was an April fools joke but still, they collabed as a joke
warframe monetization can get you a sales degree due to amount of trading possible
It absolutely has for me lol
I play warframe on and off since their closed beta and bought founders in the hopes that the game continued because I really liked what I saw from the start, there are some questionable choices they've made more recently but never once have their choices made me feel like they were trying to force my hand in spending money on the game, shits wild, and I still spent quite a decent amount, not because I had to but simply because I want to support the game, yeah I could grind and just trade plat with other people, or I could just go real big when I get those lucky days of 75% off plat coupons (and periodically spend a decent chunk on the highest tier pack of a prime access because I want the accessories and decided its been a bit since I gave them money). Never once have I felt any regret from doing it, even if I do it during times where I stopped playing like within a week, because I know I'll come back and play it again because I'm always hype for future content of the game.
TL;DR Welcome back to warframe, thats whats up
I've played both Warframe and Destiny for 5-6 years. Love both games. I play one when I get fatigued from the other. That said, I will say this: Warframe was able to keep all of its content that it ever made by compressing the data. Bungie could've found a way to do that for Destiny.
As for Warframe, I think their biggest letdown is the PVP mode. The rewards for it are great, especially the stances, but the mode itself has never been fun to play. I think if they upgraded Lunaro, that would move the needle so much in their favor.
Honestly. I think the PVP being shite in Warframe is a blessing in disguise. This made the game not competitive at all, so the community, instead of having a toxic competition, ended up helping each other out so everyone can experience warframe content the best way possible. In effect, this has been the nicest community to ever exist in gaming.
imagine if warframe randomly deleted the first 6 story quests lmao
then told you to get over it and buy Warframe 2 for $70 then never mention the first game ever again
Pausing watching rq cuz of 15:49
I thought the same thing, that Xoris was meh, and I scrapped it. KEEP IT. It is genuinely the 2nd best glaive (after Glaive Prime), and the infinite combo duration is also great. It costs I think 175k standing at Simaris to get all of the parts for it, which is days of grinding for it
The infested glaive is agruable 2n best because I think it deals Toxin instead of electricity, But yeah
Was just gonna comment this, the Xoris is crazy busted if you mod it right.
Not only is it a good weapon, but makes the Granum Void runs to farm Protea, Staltha and Stropha parts way easier, and even adds extra Solaris rep when saving the prisoners. It may not be crucial for some players, but it can be a great way to earn more rewards.
Word of advice from a log time player of Warframe, do not sell any weapons especially ones from Void Relics, you never know when they might rework a mechanics like melee or shotguns.
Platinum is easy to get, just buy more weapon slots, pretty sure there is either no limit or there is more than enough room to hold all the weapons. I have 100s of weapons in my inventory.
@@micheljolicoeur6094 ik, this was years ago right when DLP came out. I wasn't even out of slots, just didn't like the weapon
Dude if even fucking Jim Sterling who was ultra weird but SUPER hard on badly monetized game comes out and tells you that EVERY game should be following Warframe's example, that Warframe was PROOF that every game should have a fair model, you really need to examine what is actually happening with your assessment. That guy was seen as a guy who would NEVER support MTX practices and Warframe was his one big exception until he died.
Think about that people. You cannot convince Warframe players they are not being treated fairly, they've played other games. They know better.
I like how a Destiny Player can play other Games and simply enjoy it. Great Video!
Every Player should have fun with Games and not be just loyal and blind to a Studio. Play the Game, have fun and if you do not like it, move on.
And beware from the sunk cost fallacy who drives us to making irrational decisions that lead to suboptimal outcomes.
Stay safe and have fun Tenno!
Absolutely, I mean I love Warframe but I will take year/2year vacation from it, and I trust it will still be there when I feel like grinding or customizing
While the pricing on warframe's prime access and deluxe skins have been getting questionably higher lately, it's nowhere near as awful as Destiny 2 in its current incarnation.
Even without Prime Access, though, a person could spend, say...$50 on platinum across the entire year...and still pay less money than a year worth of Destiny 2 just to get their foot in the door. And if a person is frugal enough, that $50 of platinum may actually last them more than a year. Add to that the long term value of item trading, giving people more reward for their time spent. The free Nightwave battle pass which also gives many rewards from the market like forma and inventory slots to further alleviate needing to spend immediately.
It's absolutely wild how anyone says Warframe has worse monetization. Wild.
some people just have stockholm from destiny now, they can't leave it, can't stop overspending on stuff and can't stop getting scammed by bungie and hates when someone escapes destiny and plays better games which respects your time/wallet
No Warframe has a good monetization. You can either farm for weapons or Warframes, or you straight up buy it for real money. It’s Your choice to spend money in Warframe. In Destiny 2 they take content away from you that YOU PAID for!! In Warframe ALL the DLC is FREE! Want a Prime frame go farm relics or trade other prime parts for the prime parts you want with other players. Yes you can buy everything in Warframe for about 10k but you still need to level everything yourself! So people that cry Warframe is pay to win you still need to level the weapons and frames. I have over 1,000 hrs in Warframe and still play it. Sure you can buy mods with plat so that’s “pay to win” lmao sure get all the mods you want but if you don’t have the space on your frame you can’t install the mod so how are you winning? Also also if you suck at modding how are you winning?? Win at doing missions?? There are no leaderboards so no one ever knows how fast you do a mission so who cares if you can do a spy mission in 2min or go to level cap. Who cares if you can buy a mod if you don’t know how to mod a weapon or Warframe ex people putting healing aura on a Warframe 😂😂. DE doesn’t force their market or trading on you it’s there if you want to buy something! Where is the ship to ship combat in Destiny?? Where is the free customization in Destiny?? Why can’t you customize your ship in Destiny?? Why did you spend 60+ dollars on Lightfall?? Or preorder Final Shape just for Bungie to delay it after they got your money?? DE is way better as a developer than Bungie at this point. If you want PVP sure play Destiny 2 if you want PVE with more than a Hunter, Warlock, or Titan(lmao why only 3 classes) and have access to 50+ classes play Warframe! If you like story play Warframe!
Im gonna correct you, 50+ base playstyle, with billions of total playstyles, yeah theres meta builds, but just with 1 frame, thats at least 1 thousand playstyle for that frame alone.
When i bought a Prime Access pack in Warframe, it felt like my money was well spent nor did i feel obligated to spend that money.
Meanwhile in Destiny, you HAVE to spend money just to keep playing.
gonna be real the prime packs arent worth it considering you can buy the prime frames and weapons with plat from the market HOWEVER i have bought 2 prime access packs and i dont regret it fuck destiny
Still haven't paid any Plat at all and have everything with mr29 and decent amount of cosmetics because I play the game
1 credit cosmetics I'll take dat xD
I've done the plat math, without discounts it's 15 platinum per USD.
So from there you can make some "fair comparisons" to market prices
A fresh Warframe with slot (1$) and potato ($1.33) at cheapest 10$ and at most cost 20$. By default worse pricing you already have a 2.33$ discount already of included items. I seen games charge 45$ for a hero though they bundle it with a skin and flaire pack usually so it's fair to say it has a 25% discount in most comparable cases.
But here's where the gap widens, this is raw plat in worst package possible ever the zero bonus plat and zero discounts, throw on top that this cost... Is optional. So with best discount? Your looking not just at 75% off but your getting bonus plat on top. Making that 20$ Warframe a measily 2.50$ if your lucky but
For the most part a 4 to 5$ a Warframe if you are an average patient person with zero time to grind and by the half off plat when it pops.
Warframe has a hidden MMO subscription cost of 15$ a month, the prime packs are offered every three months and the unobtainable otherwise accessories are 45$ at the time of offering making it a 15$ a month deal for free goodies and boosters that last that long. Excellent deal for active players.
Major thing about plat, gameplay can net you a gauranteed traded 5 to 15 plat every 5 minutes. Just have to work market a bit more. And if you accidentally amass an inventory like I have, well it's easily possible to sit on an inventory worth thousand so plat. Finally got off my posterior and went to market for a day came back 1k plat richer.
In other words, you can go into this game with zero money, and obtain 50% (the other half of power equation has zero sale outlet of any sort ATM) of the pay to win methods and load out requirements without spending a single dime and buy majority of the non prime cosmetics.
I used to buy some of the prime rereleases, before they changed to the current model (monthly rotations of relic + annual resurgence event). Often, when I priced it out, the plat that came in the bundle was almost the same as just buying the plat. So I looked at it as buying plat and getting cool shit as a bonus.
Typical angry d2 fanbois talking shyte about warframe.
both games suck bro
@@Mrperfectwoo go play fortnite my boy, adults only here.
@@Mrperfectwoohhhhhaaaaaaaahahahaha!! Can’t play with big boys! Midget!
@@gamerwits4329 man he probably not gonna have anything left if warframe also hit fortnite and shipon fortnite player back to warframe xD
Honestly Warframe is very addicting once you know how to get around things and everything is free if you don’t wanna buy it, i love the fact that you can become so godly that you nuke entire rooms with certain warframes😂 also smart move using a title like that to bait viewers💯🤣
I have said this elsewhere and will spread the word anytime I get the chance. Warframe is the only game I've ever played that earns it's keep. I didn't spend any for months and months, and when I did it felt like they deserved it.
You can use warframe market to purchase stuff while viewing its comparative price in the market, also if you're evil you can inflate or theflate the prices to your advantage, but it's mostly chill and you don't get scammed
The grind of both games can be different to everyone so im not gonna say to much on it. But bad moneitization?
D2 to a new player out the gate and want to try everything you gotta drop the credit card,you log into D2 amd get ads. People compain about D2 damn near every year and yet will still pre-order a DLC at 100$. They barely adveritse their game outside of DLC and gradually adds more things for you to buy
Warframe is free to play completely, you dont have to pay for anything, not story not weapons not characters. Theres a in-game trade system to make and farm premium currency. Primes? Free. Good guns? No grinding for hours for a perfect roll or weeks for an exotic just grind it or trade it. Every prime has its own trailer. We get trailers for an upgraded chracter and two weapons. Free battlepass and in game discounts are a ingame login reward. You dont have to drop a dime on warframe to experience and play the same things as everyone else. Also bonus on console since its free no need for online membership
People can literally access all the new content in Warframe and get everything (barring some premium cosmetics) without ever spending a single penny. And that guy has the audacity to say Warframe has worse monetization than Destiny??? Peak trolling right there.
fanboys blerdly, fanboys everywhere.
Is there a reason you haven't ranked your stance mod on xoris? It would only add to your capacity
Probably doesn't have enough credits and endo. Both can be pretty scarce for new players.
That endo struggle is real that polarity mod struggle is real
@DamianGreene-wm5ri arbis after 3 hours are around lvl 120 and no sp modifiers so extremely easy
As a middle aged dad (of twin toddlers) with a job and a grass-touching hobby (fly fishing) that I love way more than games, my time is even more valuable than my money.
At least with Warframe, when I spend money occasionally I get to skip some grind by trading with other players who unlike me have more time than money. Now I benefit, the people I trade with benefit, and DE benefits and it all happens in a really fair way. I'm not a whale or anything but I do like one of the $80 Prime accesses each year because I get cool shit, it saves me a ton of time, and I don't mind kicking the devs a bit of coin for the otherwise free thing I enjoy.
In Destiny 2 I was constantly sinking in money for reheated content and was still expected to work that game like a part time job. Nevermind the slap in the face of switching to F2P money grubbing model AFTER me and a tons of other loyal fans paid full price for it.
It's a shame too because I loved the shit out of OG Destiny and felt way more respected back then. I didn't have kids back then of course but still I was minmaxxed like crazy for PvP and PvE running one character for like 5 hours per week. I added a second character and played more than 5 hours many weeks but that was because I wanted to have fun not because of fomo that I'd fall behind.
I kinda think its unfair to compare a Free to play game to a Free to try game
I feel like there are 2 key differences when comparing D2 and Warframe's monetization schemes that have to be mentioned.
The first is that Digital Extremes goes out of their way to avoid predatory practices, such as gambling mechanics. For example, in NoClip's documentary on Warframe, DE Sheldon tells a story about the way you could get new fur patterns and colors for your Kubrows back when they were first added. You would do this by sticking in a little plat to re-randomize the fur pattern, which you could then trade to other players by taking an imprint of your Kubrow while it had that pattern. The idea was to give a way to be like "Hey I got a cool pattern, I'll let my friends make Kubrows that _also_ look cool!" The result was someone pulling that lever 200 times looking for either a pattern they liked or a pattern they could sell for decent plat, like a slot machine addict mindlessly tapping away at their machine hoping for a jackpot. DE's response was to immediately disable the feature and spend a couple of days fully removing it from the game and changing the entire system for how you can change your Kubrow's fur pattern and colors. From what I've heard, though this may be a rumor / hearsay / some form of speculation, they also apparently refunded the people who pulled that lever so much, though if that last part is true it was likely a plat refund and not a real money refund.
The second, and arguably biggest impact on the game as a whole in terms of why Warframe is constantly improving (to the degree that it is one of the _very_ few games I can say is better after returning from a long hiatus), is that the devs are fans of their own game. They actively play Warframe, and not just for their dev streams. It's not _that_ uncommon to see someone with a real DE username hanging around a relay, Maroo's Bazaar, Cetus, Fortuna, etc. or to run into them while just running random public missions - and the only reason it's uncommon at all is because of the game's pretty sizeable player base. It's part of the reason DE Pablo's reworks of various Warframes have been so successful - he actually plays the game, and plays the 'frames he plans to rework, so he gets an actual understanding of why current players enjoy a 'frame, what that 'frame's identity is, and how to improve it in a way that preserves the core of what that 'frame wants to do. You don't really get shit like when the Riot devs reworked Aatrox back in the day (this was before I quit like 3-4-ish years ago or so) and completely deleted any remnant of the old character's identity from the new version's gameplay while just straight-up not having any characters that fill the niche the old character did, meaning anyone who played the game because they liked the old Aatrox just got fucked because the character they liked no longer existed in any meaningful capacity.
i was going to write a long text about monetization in destiny vs warframe, but why? this people dont care about what you have to say, they defend everything because they spent money and dont want to feel like idiots for doing so
I've spent about $200 in WarFrame, and that was only after I earned a few thousand by grinding out chromas. Then I felt like helping the economy, and felt good doing it.
My account is about 5 years old.
I have played Warframe for around 500 hours and paid £3.50. It has been one of the best and most fun gaming experiences I can remember and every time I switch off I can't wait to jump in and play more. You name me one other game where I could say that.
I just made true master rank without spending a dime.... All quests all warframes all companions all worlds all nodes pretty much did everything without spending a dime.
Someone helped me last night and gave me some free mods and helped me get Gara prime. Appreciated that especially after a bad week. Good people in this community
Warframe definitely has one of the most helpful communities of any game I have ever touched. There are countless people willing to help.
Warframe Marketplace is a great place to check prices of everything that can be traded for Plat to compare prices and figure out what the market rate is.
In warframe you can get premium currency by trading prime parts which all have prices of their own depending in the player selling the part it even has its own market where you can search and check prices for prime parts you can even negotiate the price if the seller is willing to not only that you can sell and buy mods this game essentially has its own economy within itself
I think there's two sides to this. I like Warframe's monetization model better because it gives me more choice in how I want to spend my money, but what I don't like is that it is basically p2w. In destiny if you want the best weapons, you have to actually do hard content like raids to earn them which is the way it should be. In warframe, if you want the best stuff, most of the time you can just buy it. It makes the grinding in destiny feel more worthwhile because there's no shortcut to get the loot I want
Buying a Mod is a choice. So is doing those "Give us your account and we will win trials for you" pay sites. Dont wanna do a raid? Pay someone else to do it. Exactly the same concept. Except Warframe you can grind plat through relics and still not spend a dime...Destiny doesnt have that. wanna buy a raid clear? use real money because only 1% of the player base has done raids...I dont mean to come off rude but i have a friend who does that pay site thing. Like hes the one winning trials for people for money. People do it. So next time you're in the tower and see someone with a set of trials gear...remember they might have payed for it. :/
@@kibawesker6680 I mean yeah I guess that's a thing, but it goes against game rules and can get you banned. There's also sites that do that for warframe (although idk why anyone would since none of the content is that difficult)
@@codybeck5110 the problem with “difficulty” is streamers and the internet. My best friends girl just started and refuses to look up builds and play on her own with her friend. She refuses to take advice from him because she wants to play the game alone. I respect that because on the other side of the spectrum I have another friend who just looked up a wisp build and burston incarnon build; naught the mods, 3k plat riven, and arcanes, and now thinks he’s to strong for the game and stopped playing. Like…that’s your fault. The game does have a difficulty curve you either earn the power through grind or buy it with money. He chose the easy way and now complains
Been playing Warframe for 8+ years. The mtx are mostly reasonable and you don't really need to spend money on the game. In fact, most of Warframe mtx is centered around cosmetics and player convenience. In all my time playing I may have spent $300 on warframe. Never was it because I needed, it was all bullshit spending. Some skins, prime access, boosters, and some super rare mods. Had a been more patient and wiser with my plat, I probably wouldn't have spent that much. But the time gating and farming does get annoying at times.
Warframe is a game you end up wanting to spend money on, not a game that makes you spend money on it. I've played for 5k hours now and still login almost daily. One of the best actual free games ever made imo. Nice to see you on board, and I hope you enjoy your time in game.
Calling the xoris not the best glaive after DE drops Melee Influence (room clear with lightning procs) is a good example of how old content can be renewed without deleting paid dlc
Definitely reaching here but it's funny to me
Dude there's a arcane for like 120p or sumn (Melee influence) that turns that glaive into a room nuker dude do not get rid of the Xoris
You can always buy the Xoris parts back from Simaris for standing
Completely agree with you, man. That is simply absurd and whoever thinks D2 has better monetization and/or grind hasn't played either game enough... Coming from someone who has around 2k on each, 3 points that are extremely important that you mentioned but wanted to write them down for people to know are:
- In Warframe, you CAN trade platinum (silver equivalent - what you get with money only) which is impossible in D2 and I wonder if it's possible at all in any other game.
- In Warframe, you CAN continue to play any mission you want with any new update (unlike your light level preventing you from accessing missions your were able to do 10hrs ago if a new chapter is out - or season - and suddenly you are weaker because D2's devs want you to be.)
- In Warframe, you CAN grind / earn / buy EVERY item, warframe, weapon, companion, and even costemics (if they cost plat) with your time. As in: without spending a single dime. As long as it can be either farmed or bought with platinum, you can trade your time for it. Even if it cost Platinum (silver equivalent), since you can trade items for platinum as mentioned in the first point. (PC-Tennogen, and prime accesories aside, *of course*)
for people wanting to get into trading, always check warframe market first!!! the prices on there are almost always reflective of the actual value, and its easier to buy/sell in general
i recently made the Destiny -> Warframe swap recently and its been great, havent been nickel and dimed just for trying to participate in shit with my friends just because bungie is a broke indie company that needs every penny in my wallet to buy more gold plated forks for their mansions dining room
People who don’t play warframe don’t understand that not only can you grind most items in game, you can actually game the daily rewards algorithm to give you consistent 75% off plat coupons if you REALLY want to maximize your plat economy.
The only thing I hate about Warframe is the constant waiting and timegating your grind. Unironically if I could just keep grinding stuff like rep, or wasn't put into a forced wait for certain things in the hopes DE could get me to buy platinum to skip it, I could confidently say Warframe is the better game (outside of the gunplay, D2 has the best gunplay on the market no diff and Warframe's gunplay is kinda mid). But this game has some of the most atrocious hurry-up-and-wait design that I despise and it's littered throughout the entire game. Mastery Rank, weapon and warframe acquisition, reputation earning, Incarnon earning, Archon shard earning, subsuming, it all just sucks. It feels like the game is actively punishing me for wanting to play more of it
I dont remember paying to play warframe, nor paying expasions nor getting tons of Destiny 2 cash but just farm a little bit each week.
In Warframe, you get premium currency faster by playing the game itself than by going down the stairs to get your wallet.
Will be honest, I played Destiny 1 on launch for 2 hours and decided it wasn't for me - was super glad I "missed out" on Destiny 2. I fell into Warframe in 2018 and still haven't come out. I don't begrudge anyone who plays Destiny and has no interest in Waframe, but I'm super glad you tried it and you're enjoying yourself. The storytelling is masterful. Maybe I'll see you around the Origin System, Tenno.
Gotta head out to Warframe market my guy. Love the video. As others have said in your chat, this game is not if it’s when you go to the market because you enjoy playing the game.
After 4000+ hours in warframe alongside my brother, we both have one major complaint. DE has a tendency to promise the whole damn world, but then we get railjack. Now with that said, it has improved but first impressions do matter. The only thing i remember about destiny 2 was the annoying color change items in the cash shop.....and the crap initial campaign that we breezed through in like 10 hours. I'm not going to judge destiny 2 to harshly though simply because I have so few hours in it.
Yea I remember that! I feel like DE doesnt do it on purpose. What they showed on that trailer was cool but impractical. Youd never be able to play railjack solo because of what they showed but it was SO COOL! I think they got themselves hyped with their own ideas and they just blow their own minds out of proportion until it settles in and then they realize what they promised cant be done like that. That joy of wanting to make something so COOL and shared it with us because they were so excited. NOW they dont show anything. Like with todays Devstream with the warframe Dante and warframe 1999. Pablo said he would tease us something then Rebecca said no. Because they learned from their previous excitement issue. Now they dont show things until about a month from release not 2 years lol
@kibawesker6680 I love the story that's been rolling out. The second dream had me on the edge of my seat with the operator reveal. They just need to keep it tight and focused, and it's an easy win. Railjack was just too big and clunky for extended play. With any luck, 1999 will be polished and ready to go day one.
The ability to basically trade everything in Warframe is one of its best features, because it allows the players to set the price depending upon the time it took just to obtain it. While some may overprice the amount, it still is a great feature. Also the platinum are being exchange like real money and you can obtain them simply by trading, like getting paid from selling things that other players wants.
With getting relics for new prime releases you can grind your syndicate standings and buy the relic packs effectively grinding two things at once and if you have anything you're leveling up you're doing that aswell. I learned about grinding up standing for relic packs for the latest prime recently myself (even through I been playing for 6 years lol). This game has always respected my time and why it will always be in my rotation of games to play.
Things that a lot of warframes items are time-consuming to get and isn't that bad. So it's fair, but some people do buy. The thing is that warframes loot has more easily acquired. Compared to d2 its not even close
Totally agree. Warframe is one of the best monetized Free to Play games out there, truely a gold standard that other free to play games should be compared to.
Warframe makes money from cosmetics sales, zero pay to win content 😂
Epic give out free destiny dlcs during Christmas. I decided to get back in. BUT they lost me when I could only put one exotic armor on. Tf I grinned for a full set for??
Please please upgrade your Astral twilight its hurting my soul. ( also please swap shocking touch with molten impact on your xoris ) also if you're going for a throw build replace virulent scourge with killing blow,
I can't bookmark this but I will snap a picture of this to remind me
Also, synthweave can be earned through missions again you don't "need" to pay real money
you can also use warframe market to see prices of prime parts/sets and mods
Worst part about warframe is the painfully low Orokin cell drop rate. Otherwise much better then destiny grind.
Saturn, run relics there like exterminate and bring a frame that pops lot of cans.
I don't recall Warframe having PAID DLCs, pretty sure all the updates for Warframe were free, and pretty sure that (almost) everything sold for platinum is available in-game, and hey, I'm pretty sure you can make platinum without spending $$$$ by trading stuff to other players who have platinum. Say what you want about how grindy Warframe is (let's be real, they used to call it Warfarm for a reason), but nobody is going to tell me that it's worse than Destiny.
I've played the hell out of both, 1000s of hours on each. There's so much i loved in Destiny, it's beautiful and i loved the gameplay, but like you i just couldn't stand the pay wall and the gate keeping any longer, gotta keep paying if you want to play with your friends in the latest content. And don't get me started on the sun setting. But you know what is a lot of fun? going back and playing some Destiny 1 every once in a while.
Warframe might not have been the most beautiful game in the past but it certainly has it's moments now, and it too is just so much fun. You can earn anything in game, you don't have to spend anything if you don't want to. Now I spent money not because i'm forced to, but because i love the game and i want to. Spent way to much on skins like everyone else.
My best friend is still a hard core Destiny player, i don't see him ever stopping, but we still love hanging out in PSN chat and seeing what each other is doing, showing each other what cool stuff we're up to. We love pointing out the similarities and playing the which developer copied who game with every genre, lol.
All this manufactured gamer rivalry between these two games is just so tiresome, old and dumb, my buddies on both games are just so fed up of hearing it.
People, just go play the game you love, play both if you have the time or play neither, and only pay what you can afford, good luck to you all and have fun.
We're both gonna try and play the hell out of The First Descendant for a while too if it's any good.
to be fair even as a warframe player, warframe does have some pretty bad points of monetization ie inventory space for weapons/warframes especially for early game. the Necramech is an expensive wall to progress to the late game in this game and the grind for that is pretty damn bad. But even at its worst, warframes monetization is better simply because when you spend money for in game currency in warframe youre typically trying to expedite the grind for something AND get something you want AND have plat left over to use for other purposes and you can make platinum back by simply trading blueprints you dont need to someone who does. That said, warframe respects players time better and the game has gotten so much bigger over the years and it has steadily improved and expanded to what it is today.
Adding to that: You can still trade for plat and buy slots and Necramech parts. Or grind the mech parts and wait for new Nightwave for slots.
You can also add slots to your wishlist and someone would actually buy it for you lol.
Then there is selling frames, weapons and companions for credits to free up space. Also subsuming a frame to free up a slot.
You can play at your own pace. While you're waiting for one thing, there's always something else to progress.
Literally if used right you can buy a single prime access and self sustain plat without putting any money in actually you don’t have to buy ANYTHING! You could still self sustain just may take a little while longer to farm up.
You really ever spend money on warframe cause you want to not need to.
I've pretty much done it all in warframe, if you ever have questions or need a carry hit me up bro. I always like helping new players, the game is far far more complex than you realize at least for the elite builds
A fellow Tenno of culture, well met Sir! Helping new players is my endgame.
yeah throughout 162 hours of actual in game play time on warframe i have only spent 15 dollars on it and i have completed the story in the game and have started steel path and have 7-8 different warframes some are really good like so much so they are unkillable if you play them right and some that are good in there own ways and the reason i spent 15 dollars was because i was impatient and i did it because i wanted to not because it was forced, the thing i spent almost all that plat on was warframe slots that's it not cosmetics or a new warframe no i spent it on something to hold the warframe, which the game gives you them it's just i was going to have to wait and i did not want to do that.
It took me all of a couple hours of destiny to realize I was not going to drop the money needed into playing. It took 30 mins for me to be hooked on Warframe and no money needed unless I just want to be lazy.
The only thing locked behind actual money in warframe are Tennogen and Prime accessories, One is money put towards the community creators creating skins for the game and the other is in direct support of the Developers.
And Bungie directly admitted their predatory tactics like a few years back and no one listened because those rose tinted glasses here bolted by truck sized screws. And they have the gull to say worse monetization, there's also the season pass back in season 11 i got as a gift and the difference between the grind with and without it is night and day.
In warframe you can farm relics with optimized set ups of 1 every minute. In destiny 2, it doesn't even respect your time without other die hards in both end game pvp and pve. Raids take 1-2 hours or more, Strikes can sometimes take half an hour, lost sectors around 20 minutes. All for what, a few guns/exotics.
The longest grind in warframe to my knowledge is Equinox/nidus compared to the longest grind in Destiny 2, it's so miniscule it looks like a scam for how little time Equi/Nidus takes to farm and then the circuit alleviates more of that grind by a TON shortening it from a 5-9 hour grind to less than an hour with decent pubs. And with the addition of Arcane dissolve in Whisper in the Walls, Eidolon arcanes are more accessible for people with less optimal set ups.,
Supporter pack also locked behind real money, iirc
@@ababil2408 The difference with that is the fact that supporter packs are just convenience You can get all the items in them by just grinding out plat or the items in it through normal game.
@@ababil2408Do the packs actually give you anything that you can’t earn ingame?
@@Theguyoverthere603 there are some time limited cosmetics included in the pack.
Also forgot to mention founder and heirloom packs.
A tip for trading in Warframe, if you have friends that have been playing the game for a long time, ask them about prices of primes or mods before you go an buy it from a player.
Or just type in Regional chat what the range of the price for something is. It’s better to do a little research on what you’re buying than to be roped into spending more platinum for something that shouldn’t be high priced.
Warframe's relics system is taking just what people like in Gacha, but removes any monetization from it and makes you have fun while at it. On top of that, those are absolutely not mandatory, you only do them for that prime drip.
the problem with warframe's monetization is if you arent playing with someone or using the wiki a lot the game seems like it requires all the money in the world weapons look so expensive with plat, getting slots and the whole lot of it.... the second you find out the wiki is your best friend and people let you know what's going on and that you can get the premium currency through trading it becomes a different way of monetization
I don't even know of any other game where you can get the premium currency so easily without spending cash
In D2 the ONLY cosmetic I’ve grinded for is the Starhorse “cat” helmet. (D1/2:6k hours overall)
Now compared to warframe….. umm almost everything besides some tennogen items.
(WF: 2k hours)
U forgot to say that 80% of cosmetics are purchasable in game without spending a dime
In your Xoris: Is your astral twilight not ranked...?
Warframe is one of the only free-to-play games that can legitimately be played IN FULL without spending a penny. The community is also 1000x less toxic than most games as well.
This video MADE sub 😂 I love this! It's about time someone put this in the light in the way you did. Thank you. I absolutely love Warframe and finally got my DOJO going and my love just won't stop growing.
Bro.... If you need help with learning to mod the community here for you... That xoris looking a lil rough
So true, another tip is too google warframe market, buy what you need off there and sell in trade chat for profit. You never spend real money
Dude, Bungie is so bad, you have to pay the price of a full game repeatedly just for a DLC. With Warframe, you can literally earn the premium currency without spending a dime, and everything they add is FREE. Bungie could never.
In Destiny, without paying, there is a very limited amount of gear you can get. On top of that there is very little content you can access that isn’t very fun at all, not to mention the payed content isn’t that great either. Free to play you are limited to the core playlist, Vanguard, Crucible, and Gambit. You can also play Prophecy, which has really bad awards for a dungeon and is the only one without an exotic (I wonder if it’s because it’s free…). There’s also the open worlds but you gain nothing from doing them at all.
Destiny is no fun without money, and once you pay it’s fun for a couple of hours, but then gets old very fast.
Coming from Destiny to Warframe has been one of my most enjoyable gaming experiences I’ve had in a while. While I have spent money, it felt worth it as it actually helped me get further in the game a bit quicker. Now that I’m further in, I have less reason to spend money. Warframe on top.
If you don’t want to read the essay:
Destiny boring and pricey. Warframe big fun and cheap.
Haven't even started watching but I can say this. Yes, the farming is there but it is somewhat fair, but the monetization is one of the best in the gaming industry. I had more than 1000 plat by simply selling parts and mods. I haven't spend a single cent and even if I did you often get up to 80% off on plat as a log in reward.
I would say the only really difficult farms are mostly the ones so out of the way you have to be actually gunning for it to even be bothered by it. Examples like Equinox/Nidus/Arcanes/Archon shards. Like you can literally get every prime in the game in just a few hours with the help of selling primes you already have to other players and buying the parts you need in the market.
I mean I agree with most of what you’re saying but when you said the moment you find something fun destiny nerfs and ruins it and to that all I have to say is we don’t have the same taste. I got super into warframe a while back and gave myself the objective to make hydroid (before the rework) viable after a while old hydroid became my favourite frame and I pretty much ran him everywhere. He basically became my main and I fell in love with his kit and found the oddest ways to make his puddle work. Then I hear about a rework I was super excited. When if launched I was devastated. They practically deleted hydroid from the game and replaced him with a generic no personality frame. buffing his most boring ability which is just and aoe barrage of corrosive and keeping the tidal wave that now synergies with nothing and replacing his puddle with a glorified offensive copy of hildrin’s shield absorb. So yeah let’s compare that to destiny. One eyed masked pretty much the most op exotic for a time that got nerfed to the ground. used to instantly give you an overshield when you marked people for vengeance now it gives you one that charges over time and the wallhacks got downgraded to a highlight of the target. It still feels like you’re using the same exotic. Or in the auto rifle meta when suros and hard light were the most oppressive things. They got nerfed to the ground but they didn’t turn them into scout rifles did they? Or lets talk about the subclass 2.0 we lost nothing. all supers intact, sun warrior became radiant and they basically just shared elemental buffs to all subclasses adding a number of possible builds to the game. Another rework buff would be precious scars they added an effect while keeping the one it had now you do a burst of restoration around you on weapon kills matching your subclass on top of the res overshield. Or Anarchy that got nerfed to the ground still acts the same still feels the same even tho it doesn’t do as much damage. Destiny might nerf something to the ground or rework something to make it better but they keep their core identity and the players affected in mind while doing it. Warframe doesn’t care about that or at least they didn’t when they did the hydroid rework. basically made a rework of a frame tailored for the metah players that didn’t use him ignoring people that actually loved him. And guess what Nekros is still a better farming frame and Revenant is still a better tank frame and there’s still better frames for ad clear as well. They could’ve just buff the puddle and tentacles making them mod able individually like excalibur’s blade. And that’s basically why I’ll always stick to d2 over warframe because I can know for sure that in destiny 2 exotic weapons or subclasses won’t get straight up deleted from the game to be replaced by generic metah. Like I mainly use 4th horseman in pvp. It started as a meme and grew on me. even with the special nerf that butchered my efficiency I can still make it work I basically get green ammo and treat it as a power up relying mostly on my primary. And before you call me a troll I have over 1500 pvp kills on it. To sum it up sure Destiny has worst monetization and stuff but Warframe’s balancing basically doesn’t care for the core identity of it’s content contrary to Destiny. And to me taking the time to find odd and creative ways to use something just to have it ripped out of the game and deleted unannounced isn’t respectful of my time at all especially after optimizing builds for different strategies. Anyway if all you care about is metah strats you’ll be well served in warframe but don’t get too attached to bottom tier frames like innaros because they’ll probably just delete hime and convert him into a boring movement, aoe, self buff boring metah frame. like the new dragon’s breath is completely different from it’s d1 counterpart and somehow still feels like dragon’s breath. Idk maybe it’s just me ranting at this point if you read all of this I hope you have a wonderful day and I left a like.
I've been playing Warframe for 6 years now and I fully support this game till my grave. I have definitely spent a few hundred dollars on this game spread out over the years but each time I've opened my wallet, it was with a smile and delight. There's not one single thing in this game that is monetized it's just the things that can be bought with money is the devs giving the player an option to save time and effort if that player decides they want it.
There's literally only a small handful of things i find are "poorly" managed in warframe. And even those have options to farm them, they just aren't new player friendly. Inventory slots are an absolute pain in the behind, only being given from nightwave rewards and free item drops like sevagoth during gameawards (give away/plat bought items always come with an inventory slot and a reactor/catalyst). And on that note, orokin reactors and catalysts. Farm duviris story mode for clamps, sorties iirc occasionally can give you a bp for them, and special occasional events like fomorians tend to give a catalyst. Otherwise, it's 20 plat. Which means either trade or spend if you need a substantial amount of them.
Both of those are quite a thorn in my side. Because especially the weapon/warframe limit resulted in me scrapping some good items not knowing any better at the time.
You can rebuild those items. Story BPs can be bought again from Simaris, Standard stuff just from the market
@@Cornu341 You can doesn't necessarily mean you should have to.
New weapons are required to increase mr. You start with 8 slots? Like 4 slots and enough plat for an additional 4 by what i recall. And not all story weapons can be purchased. War and broken war are stalker drops. And orvius' parts are kuva guard drops iirc. Also, it's roughly 3 or more days of just simaris scanning to get one of the weapon bps. Which even with sp stealth scanning is not warframes most enjoyable time sink.
Is it something that'd kill warframe? nah. But it's annoying enough that it does lead to some frustrated sighs. Especially since it makes it harder to try weapons that you thought were bad early on. Since some weapons are real sleeper picks once you understand the game better.
The only things in the game that I feel wastes my time are the eidolon hunts and maybe profit taker.